I've always had my eye on this set, even before it became DCC I believe there was another set similar years ago, my only gripe and it is minimal is when I see the title "Mixed Goods" I expect to see at least 1 passenger coach to be a true Mixed Goods set. Great review, if funds were better I'd get it.
Even though I am modeller for model railway for 4-5 years, I still use a rerailer to get my trains on the track when I put one on. I got the rerailer 1 year ago.
Wish I'd started with that set. I have just got the select as my first dcc. A lot of people dont rate it but I think it's perfectly acceptable for the price, especially since the latest firmware allows you to tweek CVs. Great review.
bought this set a month ago for my 50th birthday also for during lockdown.used to have a train 40 years ago so a long time away.made a layout in the garage to get out of the house. on the whole a reliable set
I bought this set a week before you reviewed it! I think the value is pretty good and after having shopped around and priced up individual items, it is definitely the best introduction to digital.
As always loved the review, does seem like an ideal set to introduce beginners to DCC even though it's not high on detail, but to be fair that's not a bad thing as it's something that is durable enough that wouldn't mind the rough handling of a newbie. Also a side note, have finished fixing my O Gauge Terrier! Now to find space to run it... ~James
FANTASTIC! (Sam, sorry I keep commenting on older videos, but, as I am new to you, I'm just watching the videos as RUclips 'throws them up.' However, they are all very enjoyable. Thank you VERY MUCH).
Hi Sam, yes tippler is the correct name for that type of wagon. If you look at the tippler wagon, you will see that it doesn't have any doors for unloading. They are run into a "Tippler" machine, which locks them to the track, so that they don't come off whilst they are rotated up-side-down, on the longitudinal plane, to dump the contents out, then back upright so they may be taken away empty. DCC really comes into its own with sound systems in the locos. My "0" gauge layout is DCC controlled with two pannier tanks, one with an auto coach, an "08" and an "AC Railbus," all sound fitted. I can have the two panniers simmering away, with the auto coach lights on and passengers chattering away, the 08 ticking over in a siding whilst the railbus is arriving at, or leaving the station, or many other combinations. Another good video. Regards, Alan.
Only four wagons (and no brake vans) seems a little light for a "my first shunting" set, but I suppose the biggest constraint is fitting it all in the box. Seems good value for a starter, but if I were buying one as a present I'd probably toss in a three-pack of generic wagons too.
The stalling is almost certainly nothing to do with the pickups. The biggest problem with DCC is that if you have even the tiniest, tiniest interruption of the power supply to the decoder, the decoder shuts down and reboots. This is what you are seeing because the loco stops and then gets going again after the reboot without needing a push. A DC loco will not even notice such a quick interruption because the inertia of its moving parts is enough to keep it going until power is restored. In my experience, DCC 0-6-0 locos need suspension to reliably maintain wheel contact to the track if you are using points with dead frogs. More wheels with pickups are needed for complete reliability, but this is not possible with an 0-6-0, although it is the reason that Hornby's tender locos generally run much better on DCC than Bachmann's because Hornby usually include tender pickups and Bachmann don't. My grandchildren have a couple of DCC locos with this chassis and the solution was to fit DCC Concepts decoders and then add a stay-alive capacitor (which I believe the Hornby decoder can't work with). This obviously adds to the cost, but the result is literally flawless running - that Railroad chassis is actually pretty good in my experience.
It is to do with the pickups - I have other models (with smaller wheelbases) that manage on those points just fine - with some adjustment, I had these working perfectly! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains But are they DCC or DC? I have the Ruston and Hornsby shunter which is almost supernatural in its ability to run over dead frogs on DC, but put it on DCC and it needs a stay alive
Hornby train wheel flanges catch on the Peco track "check rail" , that little piece of plastic rail on the inside of track, before a turnout. This causes the Loco to hesitate, stop or make a wagon jump the track! . My solution is to file back both ends of "check rail", into a point , which will pull the wheel flange into the rail and through the turnout. They look the same, but there is a difference between a Peco turnout and the Hornby turnout.... I notice all Hornby trains are designed to run well on Hornby track and turnouts... Thanks for your informative reviews.
@@SamsTrains Sam, using a wheel gauge U will see that Horny wheels are set about 0.5mm short on the axle compared with Bachmann wheels which means they run "sloppy" over Peco track and Points ! Therefore being shorter on the axle they can catch on the Peco "check Rail" ! Sometimes I just push the wheels out to the correct setting for my Peco trackwork, otherwise I just live with it and do adjustments as the need occurs....AMAZING HOW A 0.5MM GAP CAN CAUSE SO MUCH TROUBLE ON OUR MODEL TRAIN SETUPS!
OMG I have always wanted that set you can’t have a rail way with out a O8 or a pannier tank nice review Sam loving the vids keep up the amazing work I thank you for getting me back in to trains and my trains would love to thank you for getting them out of a dark box lol my O8 packed up it was quite old but I was so annoyed but for £20 I saw two pannier tanks so I brought them but for the price I knew they would not run right and yep they are so ruff I tryed fixing them but with out spending a lot of money on them they would not work but when they sit in the siding they look amazing. Love the vids Sam Michaels trains
For getting a kid into the hobby or just something to play with, this is a lot better then some of the other sets I have seen. Many more options for play and learning then having just a circle with one locomotive running around, and around, and around...
Nice setup they’re managed to get a blue rapier coach earlier hornby discontinues now! 209 pound seems a bit much for s few doubters but suppose it’s the dcc
be aware the Hornby DCC Select is not fully NMRA compatable. it doesn't work with certain Bachmann DCC decoders. the issue this the Select, not the Chips.
i bought one of these mixed goods DCC sets way back in about 05/06, it had the 08 and a jinty then, I eventually got the entire set of track extension packs and a couple more DCC locos, however due to not really having the space for a layout that size I mothballed everything in about 2010, while I've been on lockdown i have been trying to sort out some space in my garage/workshop with the idea of eventually getting back to rail modelling.
"You're worthy Sam uh... Sam'sTrains to you" "You're worthy Sam'sTrains thinks I need a review,we diesels don't need a review,we come to a layout and improve it. WE ARE REVOLUTIONARY!!
I remember when I was a kid I got the "North Eastern Steam Set". had two circuits with a crossover, double level crossing & two sidings. buildings for sound effects & two radio controls. Two trains, one lovely little passenger train with two cars(I thought it looked gorgeous), then a small freight train with two wagons & a caboose. Loved that thing. Think it was £160 back then but I may be mistaken. Pretty sure its back in my Mum's garage.
I might have said this already but I saw on ebay a massive Hornby train set from the mid 2000s i think. It was DCC and had 2 loops of track, one inside the other, and a couple sidings. It also came with 2 locos
that steam loco: ideal subject for some first adventurers in painting !! there's bits n pieces on top and under the boiler, which could easily be picked out with a small brush, and handrails an ting around the cab, as well as boiler-back details. i reckon you could bling this to the max for less than a tenner, along with a couple of hours careful work. and if it all goes wrong it's not like you lost a load of money. those wagons look cert for some weathering experiments too. so here's my suggestion for a new category 'BLINGABLE'
+DoncasterA1Music When I was a kid, ERTL (who also made their own line of Thomas toys) also made a line of Looney Tunes train cars. Each one had one of the characters riding in them, and Yosemite Sam rode an oil tanker.
Amazing review on the Hornby Mixed Traffic train set! :D I find it cool that this train set includes 2 locomotives rather than just 1, we don't see that very often! The price seems pretty reasonable in terms of what you get inside the box, £200 is quite a lot of money to spend, but something like this is definitely worth the money! I can imagine a beginner having lots of fun with this train set! :)
I purchased I very similar set a few years back with a br green 08 and a br 3f, they are pretty good value. I don't use the locos too often as for me they sometimes cut out - especially over the points. I also ended upgrading to the NCE Powercab for better use with my sound locos. At the end of the day it got me in to DCC which is what I wanted 😀👍
Ahh very nice! Yes they do often cut out if the pickups aren't adjusted right - not very reliable! These were okay though, compared with some I've experienced! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Not a bad set for an introduction to DCC. I’ve now made some steps to DCC myself, 15 locomotives chipped and another 9 made ready by putting an 8 pin socket in them. Got quite a neat controller as well which is shared between both my OO and N gauge layouts now, it’s a Sig-naTrak ace 2.
Hi Sam, I bought this set a few weeks ago based on your review and had exactly the same experience as you, namely the Pannier was a bit of a lemon OOTB. After running in there was some improvement but it still stalls like crazy over Peco Insulfrog points, it also emits a very high-pitched whine! The 08 is better but again stalls at slow speeds. It could be that DCC seems to need all parts of the track to be live (from what I've read on the forums, etc). For locos with supposedly the same mechanism the 08 runs faster than the Pannier, on tests while running in the 08 caught up (and coupled!) to the Pannier. Having said all that, couldn't agree more that this is simply SOOO much fun to play with!!!
Sorry to hear that Steve - yes the stalling on points is the only thing I could complain about - take a look at my video on servicing the Hornby Thomas - you can remove the wheels and adjust the pickups! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Why do some locomotives, like the ones in the video, have these metal rods on their wheels, but no piston to push them? How does the steam locomotive propel forwards, and why does a diesel one need them in the first place? (I'm referring to the real-life ones.) I mean that metal rod that connects the three wheels together on each side. (I don't know thy are called, sorry.)
The rods on the sides of locomotives are called coupling rods or connecting rods (con rods for short). The Pannier Tank Engine has internal cylinders and valve gear, so the pistons, cylinders, valve gear and the like are inside the locomotive (on this example they are between the wheels and just behind the smokebox). However, the output from the piston only powers 1 axle of the steam loco, so because of all the other gubbins that are inside the loco, they put the coupling rods on the outside. This is why you see coupling rods and cylinders outside on some steamers, but only coupling rods on others. Basically the power is provided to one axle by pistons inside the loco, and the coupling rods on the outside transfer the power to the other 4 wheels. With that particular diesel (the 08) only one axle is driven, like the Pannier Tank, so, it also uses coupling rods on the outside to transmit the power to the other wheels. Not all diesels have couplings rods, most use internal transmission systems to provide power to whatever wheels need power in the configuration for the specific diesel loco. Hope this helps :D
@@highbrookendmodelrailway Oh my goooosh, nobody has explained this so nicely to me before, and I so I lived since my childhood not understanding. (I really liked trains in my childhood) Thank you so much!!
Hi Sam. This is a seriously good value train set. As my layout with several steam locos, HSTs and Blue Pullman trains is now quite vast, I don't think that I could now convert to DCC, despite all the advantages it has over DC. I understand that converting DC locos to DCC is both time consuming and expensive, for, say, 30 locos? That's big enough for me anyway! Would you have any advice that you could give please? That would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Pete.
Thanks Pete, yeah I thought it was decent too - had a lot of fun with it! Yes it would be both of what you say - I do have some videos on chipping locos though, if you're interested? :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have observed all Bachmann Loco's and Rolling Stock are designed to run well on Peco Track, especially true with Peco Set Track ( not surprisingly I guess ! )......
Hi Sam. I really love your channel. I thought I would point out that the Hornby railroad 08 is in fact a different moulding from the Triang one. In the 1950s there were many similar shunting engines in service and Triang used the plans from a slightly different design loco then numbered it as an 08. This one is recognisable as it has moulded ladders, the exhaust is centred and the cab is taller than the body with a screw at the back. The Hornby railroad mould dates from 1976 and was originally R156 -it is based on the actual class 08 drawings. When first made it had separate ladders and a counterweighted rear coupling. Hornby changed the chassis and stopped fitting ladders from 1985 which is basically the model as it is now.
Thanks so much Stephen - yes you're absolutely right - I compared it with my Tri-ang ones and found that after I'd filmed this! Many thanks for the info! :D Cheers, Sam :)
I have realised this morning that my info was slightly incorrect. There were 2 Hornby 08s with the later chassis that still had ladders - a Railfreight one with Scotty dog logo and a blue one with red wheels in sets only. After that they stopped having ladders. In the 1990s you couldn't get a decent 08 model, the most common loco on BR. The Lima 09 had the chassis detail but was unreliable - I found the plastic wheels slipped on the metal axles when I cleaned them then the gear wheel fell out! My solution was to paint and detail an old Wrenn 08 which had a diecast chassis.
Hmm. With a name like, “Mixed Traffic”, I kind of expected it to have two wagons (or one wagon and one brake van), and two coaches. This way, you could run passenger and freight trains. I really like that they threw in a turnout (switch); so many train sets don’t have one! This deserves an extra gold star ⭐️! 😊
I got this as my first hands-on experience with model trains last Christmas :) Hadn't realised how much value was in it, I had to go digital of course. I enjoy using it and its contents a lot, but glad I'm not alone with the cutting out issues :/
Back when I had a train set in the 90's I had a diesel just like that, only light green. It was crazily fast (and loud) when running on it's own on full power. My friend's dad had a layout with a long shelf round the outside of two sides of his garage with tracks outside. I always wanted to hold races round it, but we never did.
I bought one of these sets back in december as a Christmas gift for myself, and I modified the cab of the pannier to make it look like a regular 57xx (I cant find a Bachmann Branchline or mainline version for a decent price) I then printed out new number plates (5741) and gave it a face (Used and broken Bachmann Duck, with the eyes glued in and filed down on the back) (half the cab was gone, 2 of the 6 wheels were missing and the Funnel was broken 2/3rd's of the way down. I think its a mericle that the face and eye mechanism stayed intact.) The end result was a custom RWS Duck model (I made the face removable with stickey tack, to stick with the theme of my engines not having faces, as if they were real locomotives made into models) I unfortunately had to decode the model ,(which took much longer then I was hoping) because, I'm a traditional analouge kind-of guy when it comes to Model railways, but it runs great and im looking for a Bachmann Pannier chassis to replace the old chassis that is aready on the model. Other then that, Duck is done for the time being.
Sam, if you search via Google for Hornby R1126 Mixed Freight Digital Train Set, well this Hornby R1236 Mixed Traffic Digital Train Set replaced it last year. Locomotives are similar, steam loco changed, but rolling stock choices are the same, but in different liveries. There is also an Iron Ore Tippler wagon in this train as well, but painted in a different colour!
I bought the sister set to this one, with a Jinty instead of the Pannier, and its great. I had already bought the Mallard Pullman set as my first set, and DCC just seemed way better than DC so I was looking at pricing. The cost to buy just the select controller, and the decoder for my Mallard was only a small amount less than this set, in which I got two more locos, 4 wagons, and the whole extra track as well. It was a no brainer to me.
It's always better to put your new trains from set on your old track , except if you don't have it ... you mixed your wagons with new trains and it looks amazing! Great video!
Sam, I'm actually surprised that you haven't had DCC all along! 😲 SO many advantages! Most of which, the RIGHT Decoder (chip in UK) can make even a substandard Motor run quite well. I've fitted a TCS DCC Decoder on a basic Bachmann Diesel, and it will CRAWL at sleeper counting speed for days!! 😎😁 Running multiple Locos is only one advantage. I've been a happy DCC convert since 2009. 😉 Please stay SAFE! 😷 Carmine ✈🚂🚙
My second loco was an 08 shunter which was being sold separate from a set. However we didn't know what DCC was in those days and we got it not knowing it was DCC fitted. Luckily it ran fine on the analogue except for it sometime turning off and on randomly while going forward. But it has got better now. I reckon it was from the earlier mixed freight train set with the green 08.
Hey Sam. Are Hornby trying to replace all of the fome stuff that they used for lots of packages? Because of the super detail stuff is the block of ice. And that was egg cartons.
I recently bought the pannier 2nd hand and despite servicing it within an inch of it life still had the same problem with it stopping in points. In my case the points were peco ones and the problem seemed to be the inner plastic guide vane on the point being too tall. This causes one side of the loco to lift of the rail and loose drive. Filling the plastic down a bit solved the problem.
Nice review. I think new comers to the hobby are more interested in getting something that is reliable and can be up and running straight away than being worried about realism detail. Realism and detail come a bit later when you become are a 'bit more serious' in the hobby. I still like the starter sets myself probably because 'nostalgic.'. You have to start somewhere.
I bought this sometime back in 2013. That time the steam loco was a Jinty and the wagons were different. Still the same amount of fun though! I remember that the Jinty had some loose parts (like the brake hose at the front and back) that I had to glue on. Otherwise no other separately fitted details. It came with a driver and fireman but no rerailer. :D Good review, cheers Sam!
Hello Sam, I very recently purchased this set as a complete beginner to modelling. I found the 08 to be a very much better runner over the tank which has proved to be a poor performer. Jerky running over the Sam track where the 09 runs smoothly. The tank runs much better on d.c. (I have a switchable power supply which provides voltages in 2.5 volt steps). So I’m learning quickly about how to achieve smooth running locos on dcc. Presume it will be easier to achieve with bigger locos with more pick up points.
That's fascinating Ron - I saw the same thing too with mine, despite their chassis being identical - how can this be?! Try removing the wheelset, and adjusting the pickups to make stronger contact with the wheels - I saw good results there! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
We bought the previous equivalent of this set (with a Jinty and the 08) for a nephew. A good starter set. However the decoders failed fairly quickly, with the locos running badly after that. I fitted new better quality decoders and that fixed the issue.
Hi Sam, congratulations on Hornby giving you this to review. I hope this is but the beginning of a great working relationship between company and reviewer. Stay well and best wishes from Australia, Benjamin
I liked the intro because the diesel was moving in reverse with cargo wagons and the steam train in the forward motion (video idea for you sam: make a train with rail cars attached to the engine and then choose any engine you like and attach it to the rail cars and then TaKe another train but without the rail cars and then make the other locomotive move on ItS own and do a video where you try to stop a runaway train! Sorry for the length of the text sorry
Bachmann has something similar, called the Digital Commander, the engines, it comes with a ATSF FTA (unnumbered) and a ATSF GP40 (who's IRL a GP38, as the ATSF never had GP40's). It comes with a Western Maryland 50ft boxcar, a CSX three bay hopper (with Chesapeake and Ohio report markings) and a ATSF m930 caboose (the cupola is in the middle of the rolling stock)
Good day Sam . I have the mixed freight set which is very similar but just as much fun . DCC Is fab apart from the cost of more locos!! Thoroughly enjoyed this video. Take care and stay safe.
hi sam. the shape of this 08 was made from about 1978 when it was r 156. previous to this was r 152 which was the first shape which goes back to Triang days, i have both types the railroad version in Anglia Railways coleur,
A wonderful presentation from Hornby, and what appears to be great value for money Sam for someone starting in the Hobby...Good Robust starter kit....Another great review...Bob
That Class 08 body is actually derived from the old Lima tooling from the 1980s, not the Triang tooling from the 60s like you suggested in the video. The old Lima engines has a much more realistic chassis and were slightly shorter, but when Hornby bought Lima in 2004, they decided to extend the bufferbeams and fit them under the new Railroad chassis, presumably to cut costs. They also removed the ladders at the front, making them look more like Class 09s.
@@SamsTrains I'd know, I've spent a fair bit of time doing research into Class 08 shunters for my own projects. At the moment, Hornby use a modified Lima for the Railroad range. My personal favourite 00 gauge Class 08 is the one made by Wren.
I was already eyeing this set for awhile now, but after seeing what the controller can do, I think you have convinced me to buy it at some point when I can afford it.
33:39 The problem is that there's a random flatbed along with a cow on top that's randomly following the Pannier Tank while hauling its good train lol. xD
Thanks for this Sam, brilliant as usual. I am building a 8'6" x 4'6" layout for my 5 year old train mad little dude. Yup, it's a bargain, I worked it out too so I am getting this thanks to you confirming that it is a good kit. Great minds think alike. I am going to expand it by buying track and points on Ebay to make something close to the overpriced £700 Hornby layout HL6 (but stretched). My little dude has seen a few of your videos, he saw the Q1 and that is what he wants for Christmas, it's his favourite at NRM. Cheers dude, keep up the great work.
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Its great value , two DCC locomotives, a loop with a switch
Seriously this is the perfect way to get people into model railways.
haha I agree - great value!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Yes I going to get this set
I just got a bachmann ready to run some straights curves and switches....I could make a double loop that's it
I know have two track expansion sets
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Is it a coincidence that “Diesel” and “Duck” are in the same set lol.
yup. An BR08 and Pannier can't be a coincidence.
That is what I think every time I see this set.
@Xx90GAMEMasterDBZxX same class
PULL! PUSH! BACKWARDS! FORWARDS!
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"Tippler" isn't a typo. I have a Bachmann 16t Iron Wagon with the same spelling. It means a wagon that is unloaded by being tipped on it's side
Yeah you're right - it is a real thing! xD
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I don’t have any kind of trains that’s cool
@@nascar5543 Me too.
Stacks of track, no trains...
@@bingola45 buy one of ebay for around 20-40£
@@MaidensFN also make sure you get the right gauge
that is quite impressive!
Thanks Larry - I thought it was a great set for the price!! :D
Obligatory "Hello you!"
Hi Larry, didn't know you were a model railway kind of guy too.
Do you have to have doc points for Eccles or can you just use the hornby poins
Sorry for the Spelling
I've always had my eye on this set, even before it became DCC I believe there was another set similar years ago, my only gripe and it is minimal is when I see the title "Mixed Goods" I expect to see at least 1 passenger coach to be a true Mixed Goods set. Great review, if funds were better I'd get it.
Even though I am modeller for model railway for 4-5 years, I still use a rerailer to get my trains on the track when I put one on. I got the rerailer 1 year ago.
You absolute fool! You don't realize how much this video makes me love trains once again.
haha sorry about that!! ;D
Wish I'd started with that set. I have just got the select as my first dcc. A lot of people dont rate it but I think it's perfectly acceptable for the price, especially since the latest firmware allows you to tweek CVs. Great review.
haha yeah me too actually - I quite like it now that it's been updated! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I've waited ages to see a review of it from you thanks for doing 1.
Thanks so much Robin, no problem! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
bought this set a month ago for my 50th birthday also for during lockdown.used to have a train 40 years ago so a long time away.made a layout in the garage to get out of the house. on the whole a reliable set
Ahh fantastic Alan - glad to hear you're getting on well! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I bought this set a week before you reviewed it! I think the value is pretty good and after having shopped around and priced up individual items, it is definitely the best introduction to digital.
Thanks a lot mate! Ahh fantastic - it definitely is good for the money! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
As always loved the review, does seem like an ideal set to introduce beginners to DCC even though it's not high on detail, but to be fair that's not a bad thing as it's something that is durable enough that wouldn't mind the rough handling of a newbie.
Also a side note, have finished fixing my O Gauge Terrier! Now to find space to run it...
~James
Thanks very much James - yes it's great for beginners really! That sounds amazing - hope you have fun! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I like the packaging. Environmentally friendly.
Yes that's very true!!
FANTASTIC! (Sam, sorry I keep commenting on older videos, but, as I am new to you, I'm just watching the videos as RUclips 'throws them up.' However, they are all very enjoyable. Thank you VERY MUCH).
Five words: Duck and the Diesel Engine
Hi Sam, yes tippler is the correct name for that type of wagon. If you look at the tippler wagon, you will see that it doesn't have any doors for unloading. They are run into a "Tippler" machine, which locks them to the track, so that they don't come off whilst they are rotated up-side-down, on the longitudinal plane, to dump the contents out, then back upright so they may be taken away empty. DCC really comes into its own with sound systems in the locos. My "0" gauge layout is DCC controlled with two pannier tanks, one with an auto coach, an "08" and an "AC Railbus," all sound fitted. I can have the two panniers simmering away, with the auto coach lights on and passengers chattering away, the 08 ticking over in a siding whilst the railbus is arriving at, or leaving the station, or many other combinations. Another good video. Regards, Alan.
Thanks Alan - yes I looked it up after I'd finished filming - thanks for the info!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
you are my inspiration to get my first Hornby train set
OOh great to hear that - hope you enjoy!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Only four wagons (and no brake vans) seems a little light for a "my first shunting" set, but I suppose the biggest constraint is fitting it all in the box. Seems good value for a starter, but if I were buying one as a present I'd probably toss in a three-pack of generic wagons too.
Yes I thought a few more wagons would have been nice too - though they are easy enough to get of course! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
This is the set I bought to kick start my new hobby. Interesting to hear your opinions. Mine get stuck on points all the time as well.
Glad to hear that! Yes the stopping on the points is very annoying :(
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
The stalling is almost certainly nothing to do with the pickups. The biggest problem with DCC is that if you have even the tiniest, tiniest interruption of the power supply to the decoder, the decoder shuts down and reboots. This is what you are seeing because the loco stops and then gets going again after the reboot without needing a push. A DC loco will not even notice such a quick interruption because the inertia of its moving parts is enough to keep it going until power is restored. In my experience, DCC 0-6-0 locos need suspension to reliably maintain wheel contact to the track if you are using points with dead frogs. More wheels with pickups are needed for complete reliability, but this is not possible with an 0-6-0, although it is the reason that Hornby's tender locos generally run much better on DCC than Bachmann's because Hornby usually include tender pickups and Bachmann don't. My grandchildren have a couple of DCC locos with this chassis and the solution was to fit DCC Concepts decoders and then add a stay-alive capacitor (which I believe the Hornby decoder can't work with). This obviously adds to the cost, but the result is literally flawless running - that Railroad chassis is actually pretty good in my experience.
It is to do with the pickups - I have other models (with smaller wheelbases) that manage on those points just fine - with some adjustment, I had these working perfectly! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains But are they DCC or DC? I have the Ruston and Hornsby shunter which is almost supernatural in its ability to run over dead frogs on DC, but put it on DCC and it needs a stay alive
Well, i see you are cashing on the whole train set reviews, seems like good value to me.
Thanks mate, yeah the value was amazing on this one! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains why don't you work for the railroad
@@SamsTrains why don't you work for the railroad
For the Diesel: Maybe it is just the Color but the old Version Looks much nicer and not as cheap as this Version.
This is a really nice set for dcc beginners. I remember this from 10 years back with the jinty instead of the pannier.
Thanks mate, yeah you're absolutely right!! :D
26:02 It's nice to see a bit of a shunting challenge going on with the 08 Shunter and Pannier Tank! :P
Thanks mate - glad you enjoyed that!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hornby train wheel flanges catch on the Peco track "check rail" , that little piece of plastic rail on the inside of track, before a turnout. This causes the Loco to hesitate, stop or make a wagon jump the track! . My solution is to file back both ends of "check rail", into a point , which will pull the wheel flange into the rail and through the turnout. They look the same, but there is a difference between a Peco turnout and the Hornby turnout.... I notice all Hornby trains are designed to run well on Hornby track and turnouts... Thanks for your informative reviews.
Yes I've noticed that too in the past - why on earth can't they standardise these things?!
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@@SamsTrains Sam, using a wheel gauge U will see that Horny wheels are set about 0.5mm short on the axle compared with Bachmann wheels which means they run "sloppy" over Peco track and Points ! Therefore being shorter on the axle they can catch on the Peco "check Rail" ! Sometimes I just push the wheels out to the correct setting for my Peco trackwork, otherwise I just live with it and do adjustments as the need occurs....AMAZING HOW A 0.5MM GAP CAN CAUSE SO MUCH TROUBLE ON OUR MODEL TRAIN SETUPS!
I got mine for £119!! And that was on the Hornby site
33:40 I like in how that building (maybe a signal box) has lights in it.
Thank you!! Buildings have to be lit in my opinion! ;D
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OMG I have always wanted that set you can’t have a rail way with out a O8 or a pannier tank nice review Sam loving the vids keep up the amazing work I thank you for getting me back in to trains and my trains would love to thank you for getting them out of a dark box lol my O8 packed up it was quite old but I was so annoyed but for £20 I saw two pannier tanks so I brought them but for the price I knew they would not run right and yep they are so ruff I tryed fixing them but with out spending a lot of money on them they would not work but when they sit in the siding they look amazing. Love the vids Sam Michaels trains
Thanks Michael, yeah that's very true actually! Thanks a lot for the kind words, really glad you liked it! :D
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For getting a kid into the hobby or just something to play with, this is a lot better then some of the other sets I have seen. Many more options for play and learning then having just a circle with one locomotive running around, and around, and around...
Yes I agree Colin - definitely true!! :D
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Nice setup they’re managed to get a blue rapier coach earlier hornby discontinues now! 209 pound seems a bit much for s few doubters but suppose it’s the dcc
Thanks very much! Ahh not too bad at all! Yes the DCC accounts for much of the cost!
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be aware the Hornby DCC Select is not fully NMRA compatable. it doesn't work with certain Bachmann DCC decoders. the issue this the Select, not the Chips.
I wonder if the latest firmware version has cured that problem?
Yes I thought I heard that the latest update fixed some of the compatibility issues - will investigate!
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Shame it's been discontinued! This is exactly what I've been looking for as a starter set.
i bought one of these mixed goods DCC sets way back in about 05/06, it had the 08 and a jinty then, I eventually got the entire set of track extension packs and a couple more DCC locos, however due to not really having the space for a layout that size I mothballed everything in about 2010, while I've been on lockdown i have been trying to sort out some space in my garage/workshop with the idea of eventually getting back to rail modelling.
Ahh fantastic - I hope you can get back into things mate, all the best with it! :D
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"You're worthy Sam uh... Sam'sTrains to you"
"You're worthy Sam'sTrains thinks I need a review,we diesels don't need a review,we come to a layout and improve it.
WE ARE REVOLUTIONARY!!
haha!! xD
Gabriel Duck: Oh, if you’re revo - thingummy perhaps you can arrange some trucks while I fetch Gordon’s coaches
@@nathanchan4653" PUSH PULL BACKWARDS FORWARDS!!"
"Ooooeeei Ooooeeei, we can't,we wont"
I remember when I was a kid I got the "North Eastern Steam Set". had two circuits with a crossover, double level crossing & two sidings. buildings for sound effects & two radio controls. Two trains, one lovely little passenger train with two cars(I thought it looked gorgeous), then a small freight train with two wagons & a caboose. Loved that thing. Think it was £160 back then but I may be mistaken. Pretty sure its back in my Mum's garage.
That sounds amazing Alex - if only they did sets with two circuits these days - so much more fun!!
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At least if you dont want both locos, you could
A: Have a heritage line
B: Sell a loco on
C: model a heritage line and use both
Yeah absolutely - it's still a good deal, to get the DCC set! :D
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@@SamsTrains Might get into DCC, if I can have enough space and can chip old lima/tri-ang locos
@@SamsTrains what is dad and between oo and ho
the gaming Glenny, OO HO are different scales but can operate on the same gauge track
@@chris-cs8et yo thx
I might have said this already but I saw on ebay a massive Hornby train set from the mid 2000s i think. It was DCC and had 2 loops of track, one inside the other, and a couple sidings. It also came with 2 locos
Let' s make a realistic train remake of Pop goes the diesel.
haha that sounds epic!! ;D
that steam loco: ideal subject for some first adventurers in painting !! there's bits n pieces on top and under the boiler, which could easily be picked out with a small brush, and handrails an ting around the cab, as well as boiler-back details. i reckon you could bling this to the max for less than a tenner, along with a couple of hours careful work. and if it all goes wrong it's not like you lost a load of money. those wagons look cert for some weathering experiments too. so here's my suggestion for a new category 'BLINGABLE'
Thanks a lot Raymond - yes indeed, a lovely project for sure!
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10:40 that ACME tanker seems a bit “Looney” to me.. ;)
+DoncasterA1Music When I was a kid, ERTL (who also made their own line of Thomas toys) also made a line of Looney Tunes train cars. Each one had one of the characters riding in them, and Yosemite Sam rode an oil tanker.
haha yeah they are a bit - good fun though! :D
Wile E. Coyote is the main customer for full ACME Kerosoene tankers.
thanks for uploading sam was quite down today and you made my day
Glad to hear that mate, hope you're doing okay!
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The Pannier Tank and 08 Diesel Shunter reminds me of Duck and Diesel from Thomas & Friends.
Ooh nice - yeah me too!! :D
Gonna have to go for the 08 on the poll because I have been in the cab of two of them. Probably my favourite diesel shunter behind the class 06.
Ahh good choice - lucky you!! :D
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Amazing review on the Hornby Mixed Traffic train set! :D
I find it cool that this train set includes 2 locomotives rather than just 1, we don't see that very often! The price seems pretty reasonable in terms of what you get inside the box, £200 is quite a lot of money to spend, but something like this is definitely worth the money! I can imagine a beginner having lots of fun with this train set! :)
Thanks very much - yeah I love the fact that it has two trains! :D
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I purchased I very similar set a few years back with a br green 08 and a br 3f, they are pretty good value. I don't use the locos too often as for me they sometimes cut out - especially over the points. I also ended upgrading to the NCE Powercab for better use with my sound locos. At the end of the day it got me in to DCC which is what I wanted 😀👍
Ahh very nice! Yes they do often cut out if the pickups aren't adjusted right - not very reliable! These were okay though, compared with some I've experienced!
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It always annoys me when a clearly modeled "old style" freight set excludes the caboose/brake van.
Yeah I noticed that too. Kind of an odd exclusion.
Can I just say, when your SHUNTING trucks you don’t need a brake van
@@mot649 One of those engines is clearly intended to be the actual road carrier the shunter is gathering cars for though.
Yes you're right - a nice brake would have been a good inclusion!
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Not a bad set for an introduction to DCC. I’ve now made some steps to DCC myself, 15 locomotives chipped and another 9 made ready by putting an 8 pin socket in them. Got quite a neat controller as well which is shared between both my OO and N gauge layouts now, it’s a Sig-naTrak ace 2.
Thanks a lot Rob - wow sounds like you've been busy - all the best with it mate! :D
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Hello sam, i hope you’re having a good day, Happily ~ Me :D
I hope you are too mate - thank you! :D
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Sam :)
Hi Sam, I bought this set a few weeks ago based on your review and had exactly the same experience as you, namely the Pannier was a bit of a lemon OOTB. After running in there was some improvement but it still stalls like crazy over Peco Insulfrog points, it also emits a very high-pitched whine! The 08 is better but again stalls at slow speeds. It could be that DCC seems to need all parts of the track to be live (from what I've read on the forums, etc). For locos with supposedly the same mechanism the 08 runs faster than the Pannier, on tests while running in the 08 caught up (and coupled!) to the Pannier. Having said all that, couldn't agree more that this is simply SOOO much fun to play with!!!
Sorry to hear that Steve - yes the stalling on points is the only thing I could complain about - take a look at my video on servicing the Hornby Thomas - you can remove the wheels and adjust the pickups!
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I wish it was DC. Also as a Thomas fan I feel the need to say that the engines in this set have Thomas counterparts .
Yeah - though I guess it'd be too difficult to control on DC! ;D
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Why do some locomotives, like the ones in the video, have these metal rods on their wheels, but no piston to push them?
How does the steam locomotive propel forwards, and why does a diesel one need them in the first place? (I'm referring to the real-life ones.)
I mean that metal rod that connects the three wheels together on each side. (I don't know thy are called, sorry.)
The rods on the sides of locomotives are called coupling rods or connecting rods (con rods for short).
The Pannier Tank Engine has internal cylinders and valve gear, so the pistons, cylinders, valve gear and the like are inside the locomotive (on this example they are between the wheels and just behind the smokebox). However, the output from the piston only powers 1 axle of the steam loco, so because of all the other gubbins that are inside the loco, they put the coupling rods on the outside. This is why you see coupling rods and cylinders outside on some steamers, but only coupling rods on others. Basically the power is provided to one axle by pistons inside the loco, and the coupling rods on the outside transfer the power to the other 4 wheels.
With that particular diesel (the 08) only one axle is driven, like the Pannier Tank, so, it also uses coupling rods on the outside to transmit the power to the other wheels. Not all diesels have couplings rods, most use internal transmission systems to provide power to whatever wheels need power in the configuration for the specific diesel loco.
Hope this helps :D
@@highbrookendmodelrailway Oh my goooosh, nobody has explained this so nicely to me before, and I so I lived since my childhood not understanding.
(I really liked trains in my childhood)
Thank you so much!!
Sam, my mum said it’s good enough, would you recommend this set for *the c word*.
Yeah sure! If you want DCC, this is a good way to start! :D
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What do you mean by the c word
@@robertstrains9154 i think christmas
@@PoizonArts Ah ok, I thought maybe coronavirus
@@robertstrains9154I thought the bad c word 😅
sam can you review the hornby cornish carrier
That'd be awesome Ryan - great suggestion! :D
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Hi Sam. This is a seriously good value train set. As my layout with several steam locos, HSTs and Blue Pullman trains is now quite vast, I don't think that I could now convert to DCC, despite all the advantages it has over DC. I understand that converting DC locos to DCC is both time consuming and expensive, for, say, 30 locos? That's big enough for me anyway!
Would you have any advice that you could give please? That would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Pete.
Thanks Pete, yeah I thought it was decent too - had a lot of fun with it! Yes it would be both of what you say - I do have some videos on chipping locos though, if you're interested? :D
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@@SamsTrains Hi yes, that would be very interesting and helpful. I would then see precisely what I would be up against! Thanks, Pete :)
I have observed all Bachmann Loco's and Rolling Stock are designed to run well on Peco Track, especially true with Peco Set Track ( not surprisingly I guess ! )......
Ahh very interesting - I should test track from more different brands!!
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Great video Sam. Wow what a train set. Imagine seeing that under the tree on Christmas day. Incredible.
Thanks very much Stewart - I know right!! :D
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Hi Sam. I really love your channel. I thought I would point out that the Hornby railroad 08 is in fact a different moulding from the Triang one. In the 1950s there were many similar shunting engines in service and Triang used the plans from a slightly different design loco then numbered it as an 08. This one is recognisable as it has moulded ladders, the exhaust is centred and the cab is taller than the body with a screw at the back. The Hornby railroad mould dates from 1976 and was originally R156 -it is based on the actual class 08 drawings. When first made it had separate ladders and a counterweighted rear coupling. Hornby changed the chassis and stopped fitting ladders from 1985 which is basically the model as it is now.
Thanks so much Stephen - yes you're absolutely right - I compared it with my Tri-ang ones and found that after I'd filmed this! Many thanks for the info! :D
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I have realised this morning that my info was slightly incorrect. There were 2 Hornby 08s with the later chassis that still had ladders - a Railfreight one with Scotty dog logo and a blue one with red wheels in sets only. After that they stopped having ladders. In the 1990s you couldn't get a decent 08 model, the most common loco on BR. The Lima 09 had the chassis detail but was unreliable - I found the plastic wheels slipped on the metal axles when I cleaned them then the gear wheel fell out! My solution was to paint and detail an old Wrenn 08 which had a diecast chassis.
Hmm. With a name like, “Mixed Traffic”, I kind of expected it to have two wagons (or one wagon and one brake van), and two coaches. This way, you could run passenger and freight trains. I really like that they threw in a turnout (switch); so many train sets don’t have one! This deserves an extra gold star ⭐️! 😊
I got this as my first hands-on experience with model trains last Christmas :) Hadn't realised how much value was in it, I had to go digital of course. I enjoy using it and its contents a lot, but glad I'm not alone with the cutting out issues :/
Ahh fantastic - yes it's so much fun! Yes the cutting out is a pain!
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Back when I had a train set in the 90's I had a diesel just like that, only light green. It was crazily fast (and loud) when running on it's own on full power. My friend's dad had a layout with a long shelf round the outside of two sides of his garage with tracks outside. I always wanted to hold races round it, but we never did.
It could well be the same thing - Hornby have produced those 08s for years and years!! :O
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I bought one of these sets back in december as a Christmas gift for myself, and I modified the cab of the pannier to make it look like a regular 57xx (I cant find a Bachmann Branchline or mainline version for a decent price) I then printed out new number plates (5741) and gave it a face (Used and broken Bachmann Duck, with the eyes glued in and filed down on the back) (half the cab was gone, 2 of the 6 wheels were missing and the Funnel was broken 2/3rd's of the way down. I think its a mericle that the face and eye mechanism stayed intact.) The end result was a custom RWS Duck model (I made the face removable with stickey tack, to stick with the theme of my engines not having faces, as if they were real locomotives made into models) I unfortunately had to decode the model ,(which took much longer then I was hoping) because, I'm a traditional analouge kind-of guy when it comes to Model railways, but it runs great and im looking for a Bachmann Pannier chassis to replace the old chassis that is aready on the model. Other then that, Duck is done for the time being.
Sam, if you search via Google for Hornby R1126 Mixed Freight Digital Train Set, well this Hornby R1236 Mixed Traffic Digital Train Set replaced it last year. Locomotives are similar, steam loco changed, but rolling stock choices are the same, but in different liveries. There is also an Iron Ore Tippler wagon in this train as well, but painted in a different colour!
Thanks for this Jacob - very interesting! :D
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14:26 did you know during production of season 22 they put rivets on the engines other than edward and henry
I didn't know that, thanks for the info! :D
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14:32 I find it weird that the 2 whistles on the Pannier Tank are different sizes.
haha yeah!! xD
I bought the sister set to this one, with a Jinty instead of the Pannier, and its great. I had already bought the Mallard Pullman set as my first set, and DCC just seemed way better than DC so I was looking at pricing. The cost to buy just the select controller, and the decoder for my Mallard was only a small amount less than this set, in which I got two more locos, 4 wagons, and the whole extra track as well. It was a no brainer to me.
Ahh yeah I've seen those - they are great, brilliant addition to the Mallard set too! :D
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It's always better to put your new trains from set on your old track , except if you don't have it ... you mixed your wagons with new trains and it looks amazing! Great video!
Yeah I'd agree with you there! :D
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Sam, I'm actually surprised that you haven't had DCC all along! 😲 SO many advantages! Most of which, the RIGHT Decoder (chip in UK) can make even a substandard Motor run quite well. I've fitted a TCS DCC Decoder on a basic Bachmann Diesel, and it will CRAWL at sleeper counting speed for days!! 😎😁
Running multiple Locos is only one advantage. I've been a happy DCC convert since 2009. 😉
Please stay SAFE! 😷
Carmine ✈🚂🚙
I have had DCC for years - quite a few of my locos have it! :D
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My second loco was an 08 shunter which was being sold separate from a set. However we didn't know what DCC was in those days and we got it not knowing it was DCC fitted. Luckily it ran fine on the analogue except for it sometime turning off and on randomly while going forward. But it has got better now. I reckon it was from the earlier mixed freight train set with the green 08.
Ahh very interesting - I did the same thing with my first A4 Mallard, lol! ;D
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Hey Sam. Are Hornby trying to replace all of the fome stuff that they used for lots of packages? Because of the super detail stuff is the block of ice. And that was egg cartons.
They seem to be, at least with more basic models! Luckily I've not seen this with anything super-detailed!
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great starter set for a beginner or youngester, get a passing loop, and two used coaches, i would have loved that when i was a kid
Thank you! Yes a passing loop would be great fun! :D
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I recently bought the pannier 2nd hand and despite servicing it within an inch of it life still had the same problem with it stopping in points. In my case the points were peco ones and the problem seemed to be the inner plastic guide vane on the point being too tall. This causes one side of the loco to lift of the rail and loose drive. Filling the plastic down a bit solved the problem.
Ahh sorry to hear that - yes they don't get on well with PECO points, that's a very common problem!
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This was my first train set👍
Great video Sam!
Ooh awesome Tom - lucky you mate!! :D
nice, is it good ?
@@coloursmoke Yeah it's great 👍 I would really recommend it!
I was really considering buying this thank you so much for this review sam
Thanks Ryan - hope you enjoy it if you decide to get it! :D
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Nice review. I think new comers to the hobby are more interested in getting something that is reliable and can be up and running straight away than being worried about realism detail. Realism and detail come a bit later when you become are a 'bit more serious' in the hobby. I still like the starter sets myself probably because 'nostalgic.'. You have to start somewhere.
I bought this sometime back in 2013. That time the steam loco was a Jinty and the wagons were different. Still the same amount of fun though! I remember that the Jinty had some loose parts (like the brake hose at the front and back) that I had to glue on. Otherwise no other separately fitted details. It came with a driver and fireman but no rerailer. :D
Good review, cheers Sam!
Yes I've heard they did a Jinty version too - definitely the same amount of fun! :D
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Hello Sam, I very recently purchased this set as a complete beginner to modelling. I found the 08 to be a very much better runner over the tank which has proved to be a poor performer. Jerky running over the Sam track where the 09 runs smoothly. The tank runs much better on d.c. (I have a switchable power supply which provides voltages in 2.5 volt steps). So I’m learning quickly about how to achieve smooth running locos on dcc. Presume it will be easier to achieve with bigger locos with more pick up points.
That's fascinating Ron - I saw the same thing too with mine, despite their chassis being identical - how can this be?! Try removing the wheelset, and adjusting the pickups to make stronger contact with the wheels - I saw good results there!
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We bought the previous equivalent of this set (with a Jinty and the 08) for a nephew. A good starter set. However the decoders failed fairly quickly, with the locos running badly after that. I fitted new better quality decoders and that fixed the issue.
this is the same set I started back into the hobby with except mine had the j83 loco 8 yrs later these two loco are still going strong.
Ooh very nice Mark - those J83s are lovely! :D
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Davis wagon works are still at Shirebrook Derbyshire I do believe.
Hi Sam, congratulations on Hornby giving you this to review. I hope this is but the beginning of a great working relationship between company and reviewer. Stay well and best wishes from Australia, Benjamin
Thanks mate, yes I agree! Many thanks for all the support! :D
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I'm new to dcc trains and I'm gonna probably buy one. One question though. What does it mean by accessories? 1:52
Will the dcc clips interfere with dc running?
On the points? They shouldn't do!
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Thanks for posting this review Sam. Your channel is fantastic and full of very helpful content, so glad I found it!
Thanks so much Bob, that's lovely to hear! :D
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I liked the intro because the diesel was moving in reverse with cargo wagons and the steam train in the forward motion (video idea for you sam: make a train with rail cars attached to the engine and then choose any engine you like and attach it to the rail cars and then TaKe another train but without the rail cars and then make the other locomotive move on ItS own and do a video where you try to stop a runaway train!
Sorry for the length of the text sorry
haha glad you liked that!! I love the idea - runaway trains are fun! :D
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Bachmann has something similar, called the Digital Commander, the engines, it comes with a ATSF FTA (unnumbered) and a ATSF GP40 (who's IRL a GP38, as the ATSF never had GP40's). It comes with a Western Maryland 50ft boxcar, a CSX three bay hopper (with Chesapeake and Ohio report markings) and a ATSF m930 caboose (the cupola is in the middle of the rolling stock)
Yes I've seen those! They're quite limited compared with the select though!
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Good day Sam . I have the mixed freight set which is very similar but just as much fun . DCC Is fab apart from the cost of more locos!!
Thoroughly enjoyed this video. Take care and stay safe.
Very nice Scott - yes I agree, the price is a downside, but you do get a lot of extra functionality! :D
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hi sam. the shape of this 08 was made from about 1978 when it was r 156. previous to this was r 152 which was the first shape which goes back to Triang days, i have both types the railroad version in Anglia Railways coleur,
Ahh duly noted Peter - yes I think you're right, I found out it was a more updated version!
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My parents are getting me a br standard 2 and my grandparents are getting me the gwr freight set with the same pannier as that
Ooh amazing - hope you enjoy them mate! :D
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Just started watching your videos. Really informative and easy watching. Keep up the good work mate. Subscribed.
Great to hear that Geoff, thanks very much!! :D
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The Triang shunter mould was however reused by Hornby for Diesel in the Thomas the Tank Engine range from 1987 onwards.
Yes you're right Stephen - I've seen those! :D
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A wonderful presentation from Hornby, and what appears to be great value for money Sam for someone starting in the Hobby...Good Robust starter kit....Another great review...Bob
Thanks a lot Robert, yeah definitely - I'd've been happy starting off with this! :D
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That Class 08 body is actually derived from the old Lima tooling from the 1980s, not the Triang tooling from the 60s like you suggested in the video. The old Lima engines has a much more realistic chassis and were slightly shorter, but when Hornby bought Lima in 2004, they decided to extend the bufferbeams and fit them under the new Railroad chassis, presumably to cut costs. They also removed the ladders at the front, making them look more like Class 09s.
Ooh interesting, you could be right there - I'll have to look into that! :D
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@@SamsTrains I'd know, I've spent a fair bit of time doing research into Class 08 shunters for my own projects. At the moment, Hornby use a modified Lima for the Railroad range. My personal favourite 00 gauge Class 08 is the one made by Wren.
sam! i have a hornby 2721! not from a set but it is still in the gwr green like that one!
Ahh awesome - they're cool aren't they?! :D
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I have 2 Graham Farish locos (a class 37 and a standard 3 tank) that I got chipped.
Ooh very awesome!! :D
I was already eyeing this set for awhile now, but after seeing what the controller can do, I think you have convinced me to buy it at some point when I can afford it.
Ahh awesome - hope you enjoy it if you do!! :D
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I like the livery on the Class 08 included in this train set. That's a nice shade of red, that has been used.
Yeah me too Jacob!! :D
Can you run 2 locomotives on one dc layout?
No, in some sense yes because they will both run you will cannot have independent control and it might damage the trains and controller
Can you use on a HO scale track
You can indeed! :D
OO trains run on HO scale track but they are slightly bigger
33:39 The problem is that there's a random flatbed along with a cow on top that's randomly following the Pannier Tank while hauling its good train lol. xD
haha!! xD
Thanks for this Sam, brilliant as usual. I am building a 8'6" x 4'6" layout for my 5 year old train mad little dude. Yup, it's a bargain, I worked it out too so I am getting this thanks to you confirming that it is a good kit. Great minds think alike. I am going to expand it by buying track and points on Ebay to make something close to the overpriced £700 Hornby layout HL6 (but stretched). My little dude has seen a few of your videos, he saw the Q1 and that is what he wants for Christmas, it's his favourite at NRM. Cheers dude, keep up the great work.
Thanks very much mate - oh wow that sounds awesome! Hope you have a great time with the build! :D
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i had the origional of this, the 08 was in BR green rather than in red, and the pannier in this set was a j83!
Ooh nice - I think the J83 is lovely too! :D
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