12 Purposes for Pain
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Father Josiah Trenham
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For some reason the fact that father Josiah laughs at his own stories makes listening to him a joy. Anyone else?
Yes
@@mik569he is a joy to listen to
Enthusiasm. Confidence in God's grace.
He's a real human being 🤍
12 reasons for pain under the hand of God's providence:
1. Life is a training ground
2. Trials are the path of purification
3. Sufferings glorify the righteous
4. Suffering served for the advance of the Gospel
5. Suffering magnifies the grace of God in our lives
7. Pain separates the hypocrites from the true believers
8. Pain reminds us that things can go bad so that they can go good (ex. St. Joseph)
9. Our faithful endurance of suffering shuts the mouth of the devil
10. Pain in our lives is the education of unbelievers
11. Suffering can come to us to prove our authenticity
12. The endurance of suffering is the splendor of the Church
May God bless you Father Josiah.
Thanks for typing these out, Mituta... God bless.
Thanks
#6? 🤷
#4 is for the conversion of men. Witnessing faith in persecution leads to the conversion of men
Thank you for the recap!❤
Jesus didn't come to end suffering but to show us how to suffer!
@OrthodoxLoner why?
For all the reasons from the video.
@@utubebob2000Because He needs strong soldiers, not weak ones.
My dad thanked the lord for the struggle against the cancer that took him. True story. Lord be praised.
This was such an incredible teaching!!!❤🙏🏾
Orthodox for 3 years and a deep trial, sometimes i feel despair but i haven't given up yet, where would I go? I'm grateful to Christ the church ,my priests and deacons and my friends for keeping me going. Bishop Irenei also wrote a book on suffering called "strength in weakness" that i recommend to everyone.
I think I understand how you feel . I am also in a deep despair and weakness . But the thing is , I got nobody to talk to.
@@user-yv1dk2om3w that's also why I joined the Orthodox Church, to find God AND someone to talk to. It worked.
@user-yv1dk2om3w I hope you find a community of people to talk to. I found a community at my local Orthodox Church, if it’s possible that’s a great place to start. Remain patient as well, these things take time.
I clicked on this immediately when I saw the title, because pain is my constant companion!
Even though I am not an orthodox or catholic, I just want to say that I am deeply enriched by your videos. I appreciate so much depth from your orthodox priests. So much wisdom. Thank you for these uploads.
Unfortunately, for most of us, pain is necessary to teach us how true Jesus Christ is. Otherwise in our arrogance and ever deepening spiral downward towards self satisfaction, we would not see any truth or reason for God's gifts of grace and eternity to us (which takes the spiral downward and flips it around, making it a spiral upward towards purity and Godliness for all eternity). This is the moral of the story of Revelations, by the way. The increasing scale of severity eventually culminating in cataclysm is necessary to reach the wicked, who otherwise believe they do not need God to exist, and in their hubris must be taught the very real weakness of the human condition. Eventually even incomprehensible suffering and death are attempts by God to save us from ourselves, and some people even after all of that will refuse His sovereignty. Lord, have mercy on us.
The amount of wisdom and truth in orthodoxy is what has led me to the church. Looking into the saints and what kind of people they were and how they worship. I fell in love with the saints. If you like this you will love their writings.
As one who has lived with chronic pain of several kinds for some time, this is very encouraging to me! Keeping it for future pain "episodes"! 😉🙏🕯️☦️
I suffered a lot the last year and a half. And I finally found God at the end of it. I am saved. It was for God’s reason
Hi Emmalyn Good evening. I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….🌺🌺🌺
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@@Emmalynrosie Hi Emmalyn good morning ☀️ how are you doing, it’s amazing to hear from you. Where are you from?
As a professional bodybuilder and athlete the metaphors hit hard and deep. Thank you father! I have this on repeat today. Deeply edifying...
I've found much satisfaction with going to gym recently, seeing the body adjust and get stronger is a great image of how the spiritual life can develop if we trust in the Lord. Definitely grateful to God for the ability to have a body capable. Hope you find the gains your looking for material and immaterial brother.
Thank you
Thank you Father for these daily teachings,I really do enjoy them.
So proud to be romanian orthodox! God bless you!💖
Beautiful, thank you Fr.
Thank you father, for such engaging talks
Thank you father Josiah for this inspiring message. May our wonderful God bless your ministry!!
❤✝CHRIST IS RISEN ✝❤
❤💪🙏✝GOD BE WITH US IN OUR FIGHT AGAINST EVIL AND TEMPTATIONS ✝🙏⛪🕊
Thank you for this video father + PNP team. Excellent resource.
Father Josiah: Thank you for this Excellent video on PAIN & SUFFERING LORD HAVE MERCY ON US
Amen Father
Wow, so good. Was great to hear and meet you at the conference, thank you Fr. Josiah.
Thank you Father! Such a beautiful discourse/reflection.
thank you father ☦
Lord Jesus Christ have Mercy
Thank you, Father. I needed to hear this today.
Thank you so much Father for this reflection, in particular. I am struggling deeply with the path I am on and am so thankful to hear these words of encouragement, reminders from our holy fathers that this life is to prepare us for glory. God bless you and your service. In Christ, Justina
Glory to God☦
Thank you father . And thank you also for speaking about the genocide in Gaza
God bless! ☦
May God , all Saints and Angels deliver us from Suffering!! Amen
❤ God bless you father for all your work ! THANK YOU !
Very encouraging...
I downloaded the app and it's great. Thank you.
Can you please say the name of the app? Am rather low tech and missed this. 🙏🏼💕
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@@NFS0038Ah of course- the obvious escapes me. Thanks!
Well timed. Thank you, father
Im a new christian and I love ur content
Love this! Praise God!!
Love this!
Hi Danielle how are you doing
Excellent video.
It's one of the subjects that atheists use to question the existence of a God of love.
Thank you Fr Josiah
Thank you! God's grace saves.
Like a cool drink on a HOT day. Thank you.
Cristo anesti.
The very fact that people in the world still experience pain and suffering is due to the mystical truth that God's Divine Presence in the world, the Shechinah, is still suffering along with us in our temporary condition of spiritual exile and the continuing destruction of His dwelling place, the Holy Temple in Jerusalem.
Thank you for this I need it
My problem is if i let this truth take my pain away then i feel as though i lose that humility and am unworthy. When im happy i feel ashamed.
My trials and tribulations have filled me with hate. I have not become a better person . I’m not pleasant to be around . I don’t know how to change
This is common to many, God can still reach you and open your eyes to His love despite such hurts. I will be sincerely praying for you, Jodie. From a sympathetic hurting heart.
1. Dont try to change yourself to please those around you. That will make you hate them more.
2. You can’t change yourself. If you try you’ll just build up your ego and become insecure. Have faith in Christ and he will change you.
3. Follow the hate back to its source, and you’ll find the devil. Hate him, not your neighbors. He is the ultimate cause of your misery, not them.
4. Use the hate for the devil to fuel you to good. Recognize that there’s nothing that pisses satan off more than being humble and treating people with kindness, especially when they don’t deserve it. Thats how you get your revenge.
Good luck.
Helping others works wonders. Look to see how you can do this in your sphere, and if nothing reveals itself- volunteer at your church and in your community.
The Bible says " submit to God, resist the devil, and he shall flee from you." Start reading the Word of God, it is Holy Spirit filled that gives us supernatural strength and inspiration from above. Take every bad thought captive, bring it to Jesus, and be joyful and sing a new song to the Lord. Lean on Jesus He came to set us free. God Bless you.😊
❤️🩹☦️
Father I have been exploring orthodoxy for about a year now, strictly in the online sphere. I can feel my heart growing hungrier and hungrier as time goes on. I am 27 years old with a wife and three kids, we both grew up Mormon. My wife is now growing more tired of this and I want to bring my family to an Orthodox Church but I fear my wife will be shocked by the imagery and style of worship that is present in orthodoxy. Chants, icons, prostrations, etc. Do you have any suggestions on how I can prepare her for this?
Thank you!😊
What are those books behind your left shoulder labeled 1-5? Thank you father!
@wrongsquirrel9520 I’m willing to bet/guess they are the volumes of the Philokalia.
What is the title of the book Fr Josiah read from?
A very hard saying. The only thing that I ever wanted is purportedly only in this life.
It's fine if my story is dismissed.
I don't want to be bad leaven or a distraction.
I was always alone my whole life in a dysfunctional home full of misery and eerieness that even catalyzed sleep paralysis.
I always dreamed of eventually being a good steward of my dream girl.
I inadvertently obtained Her randomly, not being ready, and on very prodigal terms and setting.
Losing Her finally seared into me the value of virtue.
I have no idea what in the hell I could possibly contribute to God or even myself now other than survival and burning in regrets and worry of tomorrow.
I don't think I'm innately eligible to trust God even though things have gotten better.
I know who I naturally am.
Is it wrong to hate summer?
11:39 the "wrestling school" and this topic of suffering coincides with Jacob wrestling with a Man who is God in Genesis 32: 24-32.
Jacob ran from Esau, deceived his father and ran from Laban.
God was teaching Jacob to stop running. Face your problems to receive the blessing. Do not let go of the Man who you're wrestling. Instead, continue to wrestle, fight, don't give in. In the process, you will suffer greatly (Jacob's hip socket out of place with one touch and walked with a limp for the rest of his days) but; your reward will be great!
Jacob the supplanter whose life was struggle, was then blessed and named Israel, one who prevails with God. His character was completely changed then on.
What happens when we fail these trials and give in due to mistrust in God?
We're expected to pray, confess, pick ourselves up and carry on 🙏🏻☦️🤗
@@atomicsnowflake And if we keep failing and it gets worse, more dark and more quiet?
@@twahoforgive me.
we can only get up, immediately asking for forgiveness, and go forward from there. beg for God's help, the prayers of the Theotokos and of your namesaint and of the Holy Martyrs. beg for help to be faithful.
i am just an old man who lives in the country, not overly bright or of great wisdom, but i have lived for 64 years and still fight the devils and the world and my own withered and failing flesh every day. i cannot compare my suffering to yours, but this is the only way i have seen to belong to Christ.
please pray for this ridiculous old man, Andreas.
@@thedreadtyger ❤️
Start reading the Word of God. Start with the Gospel according to John. Those Holy Spirit filled words will encourage you and give you supernatural strength to overcome. The Holy Spirit, the Comforter will come upon you.. You will experience such joy that is not understandable in the world. Keep reading the Words of Jesus, they are Life, God Bless you 😊 Submit to God, resist the devil and he shall flee from you.
Ibrahimovic became an orthodox priest?
What about animal suffering?
Why doesn't the Orthodox faith believe in substitutional atonement?
The orthodox don't have any particular dogmatic view of the atonement.
But why should children go through these trials?
I understand about being tested ,I hear what you’re saying , but I was wondering if I could get a week off from it. I’ll fill out whatever paperwork for the vacation time.✌️thanks!
The whole creation was designed to suffer. Since the beginning of time. Struggle and suffering is the staple motivational power for creation to sustain itself. Unfortunately.
The teacher hits the student harder and the student accepts as he can see the finality - being a champion. It is something that is palpable but suffering without a proof that your suffering leads anywhere is just suffering in vain. Probably believing in something beyond us, like God, makes the suffering more bearable than vice-versa. I'm still baffled by this subject and to simply accept this version, based on some unproved ideas of some long dead people, does not work for me. Still searching....
Jesus came to teach us how to overcome the evils of this world. Suffering for Truth. God doesn't make us suffer. Sometimes he allows it, like in Jobs case.. He shows us how to be more than conquerors over evil. Read the scriptures and you'll see the big picture. He also says " I discipline the children I love". We suffer the evils of this world because we defend Jesus's name and Truth.
Did not have to take that drink, that was horrible
Nice to listen, but to see what happened in Ukraine 🇺🇦, where rissians bombed children hospital.... is it normal to watch suffering today and do nothing???
You mean the Ukrainian government that pulled a false flag and blamed Russia 🇷🇺
Father Josiah, isn't that abusive? The painful discipline... imposition... whatever you want to call it, of a God who's intent to hurt you immensely so you can love him and thank you for it? No matter how many times I hear it or read it, the insistence of pain on the children of God sounds a bit unhinged and definitely scary. He is the God of the universe and there's nothing you can do about it. He will hurt you on purpose and we're to be grateful? I think Mother Teresa was quoted to say, "If God treats his friends like this, it is no wonder our Lord has so few of them." And......I'm want to agree with her! Help us understand, Father.
""why does God CAUSE this pain"" Sounds like God is evil