Isayama kinda wrote himself into a corner by making a situation where the only two options are 1. let yourself and your people be genocided due to racism 2. genocide the rest of the world before they can genocide you. It was bound to create a big divide in the fandom. I know ending defenders like that invaderzzz say there were other options than those two, but it didn't seem like it when the entire world agreed to destroy Paradis. It's basically the trolley problem but in a much bigger scale.
Yeah. So honestly you can make a case that Aot in itself is inherently fascist or pro-war or whatever. But the fans rocking with Eren, due to the fact that all other options were written out of the story, there’s no shot that we’re all doomsday fantasy alt right weirdos
@@BROWNSMAGIC I think its easier for people to convict a piece of media as a whole for some sort of moral crime rather than take the lesson and feeling its trying to portray for what it obviously is. People go through a lot of mental gymnastics to convict AOT as "pro-genocide" or "fascist" because they don't want to consider that human nature isn't black and white, and they likely found themselves agreeing with the actions of characters that they otherwise would find despicable if they were victims of those actions, and in order to maintain the moral convictions they came into the show with, they try to find reasons for why its wrong. There's no world where genocide is the "right" move, and there's no world where having someone's baby sister be eaten alive by a pack of dogs for what her ancestors did is the right move either. So where does that leave you as a viewer? Its just a defense mechanism, and I don't necessarily think the divide is a bad thing. I think its funny how people are acting the exact same way the characters are acting over the same situation, and it illustrates the point of the show pretty well. You can choose a side, but at the end of the day you'll choose those closest to you. Which is what everyone did in the story, but with Eren its more blatant because of their situation, and people mistake that for being pro-genocide. I also want to add that there is this illusion that what happens in AOT (the cycle of violence) is somehow avoidable, and naturally people use tools to try to figure out what went wrong in the show, and why the writing ended up where it did. Their logic is, if you make a show where genocide is the optimal decision for the main character given their situation, then you are pro-genocide. People do this with almost every story, but AOT doesn't outright give you an answer to the problem it presents (because objectively there is none). All it does is portray the many routes people take in response to said problem, so people create one for themselves and then try to justify it based on what the author wrote.
It really irks me seeing people treating Isayama's words as gospel when I KNOW this man has contradicted himself in interviews multiple times. I haven't been able to take anything he says at face value ever since 139 was released.
FD has always been your type of guy to assume people who disagree with him are edge lords. I don’t hate his politics but him as a dude always put me off from his content
I don't think you're an edgelord Brown's magic. Also you should finish the video I actually agree with some of your points. 5 more AOT videos in 2025🎉🎉🎉
@@FDSignifire I start to think that Attack on Titan is the most important work in this generation. Whether you hated or loved Attack on Titan ended 3 years ago and people still discuss the ending, themes, Eren character or make fun or memes.
If you wanna watch a shonen that has an actually great, if not a perfect ending.... Then give Blue Dragon a try. The shows not a masterpiece, but at the same time its the best anime adaptation of a video game ever made. And keep in mind its been 15 years since it ended and most shonen struggle to make q halfway decent ending. Oh and Akira Toriyama was heavily involved in Blue Dragon so there's also that if people want a good reason to watch (watch the JP dub tho)
AoT: Genocide bad! If it's a small island protecting itself from a world full of fascists who want to destroy them. But when it's the world scapegoating one small island, kill 'em all! DBZ: Gohan, you're a pacifist and you value life. Which is why you must fight and kill Cell, who will kill everyone and everything you hold dear if you don't. Evil triumphs when supposed good people do nothing, giving themselves a pat on the back for not being violent.
@@BROWNSMAGIC Actually if you're taking anime recommendations also check out Dandadan. I know the first couple of episodes are wild but it is absolutely Peak. it's got a little bit of everything and the romance in it is surprisingly top-notch, which is something I thought I would never say about Shonen. I'm actually currently caught up on the manga.
@@youdontneedtoknow7548 Thanks dude. It's amazing how shōnen has progressively softened on killing villains over the decades. 1980s: Omae wa mou shindeiru. *body assplodes* 1990s: This bastard has to be killed, or he'll kill millions. You love and value life, so you must protect it. 2000s: Guys like Luffy, Ichigo, and Ed Elric can sympathise with their enemies, but will still beat them down in a fair fight. 2010s: Tanjiro, Deku, Steven Universe and Armong sob uncontrollably at killing their enemies. Eren and Floch are hiterally Litler for killing their oppressors, but said oppressors can oppressors civilians all they want. 2020s: I haven't really kept up with new anime.
I'll admit, I came to aot late and never read the manga and I personally enjoyed the ending, retcons and all, and do not agree with eren's decisions. but I think fd's analysis is generally unfair to "jagerists" and aot fans in general. and while I understand fictional works can be used as tools of oppression and theres definitely a fashy audience, I think there's a difference between standing by a character for narrative reasons and standing by a character because you'd literally agree with all their decisions in real life. I think there is a problem with your "you-only-have-a-bmb-and-ppl-are-coming-to-kll-u" analogy bc I think that sort of thinking is what oppressive powers irl tend to weaponize, but I think we both understand both your analogy and the story are purposely written as mostly unrealistic scenarios and meant to be a difficult trolley problem for people to debate for years to come. and the thing with unrealistic hypotheticals like that is even in the most beginner philosophy class, it is understood that when given an unrealistic hypothetical, the person shouldn't be held 100% accoutable for their answer as if that would be their real-life position. this sort of moralizing and de-moralizing of fictional works and what directions you want them to take and painting it in one broad stroke really irks me and I wish fd's analysis would be smarter than this.
I agree with you for the most part as in the real world there definitely would have been a talkable solution to actual genocide but isayama purposely writes away any other solution, like you said to purposely create the conditions for a kill or be killed situation to make debates like these happen. It’s very obvious that “jaegerists” which are for the most part normal people who side with Eren bc we followed him for seasons watching him endure terrorist attacks and experience a “slow” genocide. When the final leg of genocide comes knocking at his door he makes the hardest decision he’s ever made to preserve his own innocent people. So even within the context of the story I think it’s unfair to label most “jaegerists” as these alt right incel weirdos. (That’s not to say that they don’t exist, bc they do.) It would’ve made for a much better story with much more to say if there were actual alternatives written (like in game of thrones when Daenerys goes mad) and to see characters collide with a stubborn Eren who decides the most brutal path regardless of having more practical options. Simply put, if Eren was written options and we were still on his side with the rumbling then MAYBE a case could be made that the majority of people that were on his side are these fascist alt righters. But as you said, fiction is fiction is fiction. What we cheer for in a show or video game cannot be applied to our real life morals. (In MOST cases)
5:23 I disagree here. Eren losing would've been absolutely TERRIBLE. Eren was given way too much conviction and steeling of his resolve just to lose to the Alliance. That would have been garbage writing. There's no possible way for 5 titan shifters who CANNOT beat the Founder. There's no way for THREE normal people, a cripple, and a child to beat the Founder. It would've been another shit happy ending ass ending. Isayama's folding ass knew it that's why he retconned Eren to let them win. If Eren is going to lose (Bad Writing) then Mueller and the Marleyan soldiers should've gunned them all down, saying: "You should've let Jaeger kill us when you had the chance." The Alliance should've got their immediate consequence for betraying the Island.
That’s what I’m saying like if isayama really wanted a satisfying twist, make Armin, the character who’s written to be sooooo smart figure out some loophole or some way to cheat to win. Anything! Like if it was gonna be an ending where the alliance won then it would’ve been some sort of brain battle. But no for some reason that was too much to ask for. So he writes eren just giving up
I was gonna watch his video until I saw Attack On Titian on his time board. This man is stubborn and refuses to understand the series outside his viewpoint. People in the fandom do not reflect what the author is writing but this guy does think this way about the series. He even thinks Isayama is an edge lord which is crazy.
I recently saw someone say she will make a video on how Hanji is a better commander than Erwin. If you ever feel like making another AOT video, a good one would be to explain why Erwin is a better character and a better commander than Hanji. I actually think Erwin is the best character in AOT.
Hange didn't even really do much as commander. Regardless of whether or not we agree with Erwin's tactics or his personal motives, at least the Scouts managed to accomplish quite a bit under his leadership (even though it came with a heavy cost).
Did Isayama say anything about why he changed Armins character in Season 4 by that Imean Armin character in season 4 is the opposite of what he was in the earlier seasons
I could see why someone would think Erren was wrong......If you skipped seasons 1-3.
Isayama kinda wrote himself into a corner by making a situation where the only two options are 1. let yourself and your people be genocided due to racism 2. genocide the rest of the world before they can genocide you. It was bound to create a big divide in the fandom. I know ending defenders like that invaderzzz say there were other options than those two, but it didn't seem like it when the entire world agreed to destroy Paradis. It's basically the trolley problem but in a much bigger scale.
Yeah. So honestly you can make a case that Aot in itself is inherently fascist or pro-war or whatever. But the fans rocking with Eren, due to the fact that all other options were written out of the story, there’s no shot that we’re all doomsday fantasy alt right weirdos
@@BROWNSMAGIC I think its easier for people to convict a piece of media as a whole for some sort of moral crime rather than take the lesson and feeling its trying to portray for what it obviously is. People go through a lot of mental gymnastics to convict AOT as "pro-genocide" or "fascist" because they don't want to consider that human nature isn't black and white, and they likely found themselves agreeing with the actions of characters that they otherwise would find despicable if they were victims of those actions, and in order to maintain the moral convictions they came into the show with, they try to find reasons for why its wrong. There's no world where genocide is the "right" move, and there's no world where having someone's baby sister be eaten alive by a pack of dogs for what her ancestors did is the right move either. So where does that leave you as a viewer?
Its just a defense mechanism, and I don't necessarily think the divide is a bad thing. I think its funny how people are acting the exact same way the characters are acting over the same situation, and it illustrates the point of the show pretty well. You can choose a side, but at the end of the day you'll choose those closest to you. Which is what everyone did in the story, but with Eren its more blatant because of their situation, and people mistake that for being pro-genocide.
I also want to add that there is this illusion that what happens in AOT (the cycle of violence) is somehow avoidable, and naturally people use tools to try to figure out what went wrong in the show, and why the writing ended up where it did. Their logic is, if you make a show where genocide is the optimal decision for the main character given their situation, then you are pro-genocide. People do this with almost every story, but AOT doesn't outright give you an answer to the problem it presents (because objectively there is none). All it does is portray the many routes people take in response to said problem, so people create one for themselves and then try to justify it based on what the author wrote.
Edgelordr has always been a cringe term. Needless to say I've heard it alot discussing AoT.
It really irks me seeing people treating Isayama's words as gospel when I KNOW this man has contradicted himself in interviews multiple times. I haven't been able to take anything he says at face value ever since 139 was released.
"Awwww shit. Here we go again..."
Deep sigh
@@BROWNSMAGIC Just when I thought the AoT ending defense discourse would finally die...
FD has always been your type of guy to assume people who disagree with him are edge lords. I don’t hate his politics but him as a dude always put me off from his content
Bro, THANK YOU! I love him but his aot takes are *so* bad I can’t
The dude never has good takes on anything 💯🤦🤣🤣
I just wanted to see Eren finally be at peace
EXACTLY. ME TOO
Thank you 4:40
Thank you so much for saying this.
FUCK anyone that tries to counter signal this shit, its the god dam truth.
I'll never stop, that horse still has life in it.
I don't think you're an edgelord Brown's magic. Also you should finish the video I actually agree with some of your points.
5 more AOT videos in 2025🎉🎉🎉
@@FDSignifire I start to think that Attack on Titan is the most important work in this generation. Whether you hated or loved Attack on Titan ended 3 years ago and people still discuss the ending, themes, Eren character or make fun or memes.
I agree with all your joker points but it’s the aot ones that get me haha! I’ll finish your video and make another one today if I have extra thoughts
If you wanna watch a shonen that has an actually great, if not a perfect ending.... Then give Blue Dragon a try. The shows not a masterpiece, but at the same time its the best anime adaptation of a video game ever made. And keep in mind its been 15 years since it ended and most shonen struggle to make q halfway decent ending.
Oh and Akira Toriyama was heavily involved in Blue Dragon so there's also that if people want a good reason to watch (watch the JP dub tho)
I’ll check it out !
AoT: Genocide bad! If it's a small island protecting itself from a world full of fascists who want to destroy them. But when it's the world scapegoating one small island, kill 'em all!
DBZ: Gohan, you're a pacifist and you value life. Which is why you must fight and kill Cell, who will kill everyone and everything you hold dear if you don't. Evil triumphs when supposed good people do nothing, giving themselves a pat on the back for not being violent.
@@BROWNSMAGIC Actually if you're taking anime recommendations also check out Dandadan. I know the first couple of episodes are wild but it is absolutely Peak. it's got a little bit of everything and the romance in it is surprisingly top-notch, which is something I thought I would never say about Shonen. I'm actually currently caught up on the manga.
@@alexvaughan1013 Wow actually great comparison.
@@youdontneedtoknow7548 Thanks dude. It's amazing how shōnen has progressively softened on killing villains over the decades.
1980s: Omae wa mou shindeiru. *body assplodes*
1990s: This bastard has to be killed, or he'll kill millions. You love and value life, so you must protect it.
2000s: Guys like Luffy, Ichigo, and Ed Elric can sympathise with their enemies, but will still beat them down in a fair fight.
2010s: Tanjiro, Deku, Steven Universe and Armong sob uncontrollably at killing their enemies. Eren and Floch are hiterally Litler for killing their oppressors, but said oppressors can oppressors civilians all they want.
2020s: I haven't really kept up with new anime.
I'll admit, I came to aot late and never read the manga and I personally enjoyed the ending, retcons and all, and do not agree with eren's decisions. but I think fd's analysis is generally unfair to "jagerists" and aot fans in general. and while I understand fictional works can be used as tools of oppression and theres definitely a fashy audience, I think there's a difference between standing by a character for narrative reasons and standing by a character because you'd literally agree with all their decisions in real life. I think there is a problem with your "you-only-have-a-bmb-and-ppl-are-coming-to-kll-u" analogy bc I think that sort of thinking is what oppressive powers irl tend to weaponize, but I think we both understand both your analogy and the story are purposely written as mostly unrealistic scenarios and meant to be a difficult trolley problem for people to debate for years to come. and the thing with unrealistic hypotheticals like that is even in the most beginner philosophy class, it is understood that when given an unrealistic hypothetical, the person shouldn't be held 100% accoutable for their answer as if that would be their real-life position. this sort of moralizing and de-moralizing of fictional works and what directions you want them to take and painting it in one broad stroke really irks me and I wish fd's analysis would be smarter than this.
I agree with you for the most part as in the real world there definitely would have been a talkable solution to actual genocide but isayama purposely writes away any other solution, like you said to purposely create the conditions for a kill or be killed situation to make debates like these happen.
It’s very obvious that “jaegerists” which are for the most part normal people who side with Eren bc we followed him for seasons watching him endure terrorist attacks and experience a “slow” genocide. When the final leg of genocide comes knocking at his door he makes the hardest decision he’s ever made to preserve his own innocent people.
So even within the context of the story I think it’s unfair to label most “jaegerists” as these alt right incel weirdos. (That’s not to say that they don’t exist, bc they do.)
It would’ve made for a much better story with much more to say if there were actual alternatives written (like in game of thrones when Daenerys goes mad) and to see characters collide with a stubborn Eren who decides the most brutal path regardless of having more practical options. Simply put, if Eren was written options and we were still on his side with the rumbling then MAYBE a case could be made that the majority of people that were on his side are these fascist alt righters.
But as you said, fiction is fiction is fiction. What we cheer for in a show or video game cannot be applied to our real life morals. (In MOST cases)
@@BROWNSMAGIC thank you for responding! totally agree :)
This is why I follow you- you keep the nonsense away.
5:23 I disagree here. Eren losing would've been absolutely TERRIBLE. Eren was given way too much conviction and steeling of his resolve just to lose to the Alliance. That would have been garbage writing. There's no possible way for 5 titan shifters who CANNOT beat the Founder. There's no way for THREE normal people, a cripple, and a child to beat the Founder. It would've been another shit happy ending ass ending.
Isayama's folding ass knew it that's why he retconned Eren to let them win.
If Eren is going to lose (Bad Writing) then Mueller and the Marleyan soldiers should've gunned them all down, saying: "You should've let Jaeger kill us when you had the chance." The Alliance should've got their immediate consequence for betraying the Island.
That’s what I’m saying like if isayama really wanted a satisfying twist, make Armin, the character who’s written to be sooooo smart figure out some loophole or some way to cheat to win. Anything! Like if it was gonna be an ending where the alliance won then it would’ve been some sort of brain battle. But no for some reason that was too much to ask for. So he writes eren just giving up
I was gonna watch his video until I saw Attack On Titian on his time board. This man is stubborn and refuses to understand the series outside his viewpoint. People in the fandom do not reflect what the author is writing but this guy does think this way about the series. He even thinks Isayama is an edge lord which is crazy.
I recently saw someone say she will make a video on how Hanji is a better commander than Erwin. If you ever feel like making another AOT video, a good one would be to explain why Erwin is a better character and a better commander than Hanji. I actually think Erwin is the best character in AOT.
Hange didn't even really do much as commander. Regardless of whether or not we agree with Erwin's tactics or his personal motives, at least the Scouts managed to accomplish quite a bit under his leadership (even though it came with a heavy cost).
@@teamtx1578 Yeah he was the main force during the coup as well. And Hanji wasn't able to give Eren any alternatives...
Did Isayama say anything about why he changed Armins character in Season 4 by that Imean Armin character in season 4 is the opposite of what he was in the earlier seasons
Nope he just said. “I wish Armin could’ve found a way other than genocide.” LIKE DUDE !!! It’s YOUR CHARACTER. WRITE HIM FINDING A WAY!!!
Im curious what do you think about Isayama saying The Ackermans loosing their powers after The Titans dissapared?
U know what's funny the real facist are the paradise people not the marleyian like what this people have bad takes wow
The dude always had terrible takes on everything especially HIP-HOP & Anime!!! I can never take what he says seriously!!! I hate him so much 🤦😂
His anime takes were always bad like that video about the manosphere and SAO and harem anime is pure garbage holy **it