How Italian Fighters Fought Against Israel (Part 2) - Macchi C.205V in Egypt
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2023
- Final days of 1948 and the first week of 1949 saw an intensive use of Macchi C.205V by the Egyptian Air Force. This also led to several confrontations with Israeli fighters such as Spitfire and Mustang flown by experienced veterans. How did the Egyptian pilots do in these battles? Check out in the video.
Sources:
- Marco Mattioli - Macchi C.202/C.205V Units in Combat
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- Robert Gandt - Angels in the Sky: How a Band of Volunteer Airmen Saved the New State of Israel
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- Shlomo Aloni - Israeli Air Force Operations in the 1948 War: Israeli Winter Offensive Operation Horev 22 December 1948-7 January 1949
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Fantastic 2 part story of Macchi 205 in REAF service I would like to hear another story of Spitfire’s both serving in IAF and REAF in a future.
Thanks! I hope to revisit this conflict in the future, so many good stories left.
Another excellent video about an obscure conflict, as well as a good example of how big a difference pilot quality makes.
Thanks for this.
Thank you! Yes, as long as their equipment is comparable, the more experienced pilots will always win.
Great work, fantastic animation. Good history. I really look forward to Saturdays.
Thanks a lot for the comment!
Thanks. I knew very little about this conflict. Great work.
Most people know little, thanks for watching and commenting!
3:32 early stoppage
Excellent air combat history…I was looking forward to Pt2
Thank you very much for the positive feedback!
Great story on the operation of Macchi 205. Searching for information on the act of sabotage of 18 September 1949, I found an article that mentions that the Egyptians claimed the shooting down of a P51, this according to an unspecified English source.
Thank you for another positive feedback! It could be that the Egyptians claimed shooting down a P-51 but I couldn't find any info on that. I think Israelis only had a couple of them during the war.
Thanks for another good video about a lesser known aircraft and conflict!
I'm glad you appreciate it, thank you!
the timing on this one
It didn't help much, the video performance is probably the weakest one of the whole year :)
Great video 👍
Thanks!
Showtime112 Egyptian Air Force may have a problem taking correct advise form Foreign military advisors allies, I remember an US Aircraft Carrier passing into the Suzi Canal giving a tour on the Aircraft Carrier to Egyptian pilots how two of it A1 Skyrider shoot down a Mig 17, the Egyptian began behave badly they were escort of the the Carrier in 1966 this happen and the Soviet Military air force advisor experience this bad attitude from the Egyptian.
It seems that at least until late 1960s, political loyalty might have been a more important criteria than competence. That is just an estimate but results seem to match.
Muito bom como sempre. Não tinha conhecimento nenhum sobre as batalhas aéreas logo pós formação do estado de Israel. Mais uma aula interessante nesta recriação digital perfeita. Obrigado🇧🇷
Thanks a lot! The first war is generally overlooked compared to later ones but I find it quite fascinating. Like an extension of WWII in a way.
True, i agree.
Good stuff.
Thank you for the comment!
Mustang and Spitfire Israeli Camo and markings on point thanks
Actually, I think the Mustangs in this conflict had a silver finish but I didn't have that skin. Or more precisely, I purchased it on WT market but it didn't work in custom missions.
Awesome!!
Glad you appreciate it, thanks!
The Arabic flute music is the prefect accompaniment.
Thanks, I think it suits the video well too!
Your videos make me want to build 1/72 "Veltro" and "Spitfire" with egyptian colors ☺
Thanks for your great videos 😊👍
Well, I don't see why you shouldn't 😉
Same!
Awesome video! 👍🏻👏🏻💪🏻🍻🍻🙋🏼♂️
Glad you liked it, thanks!
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Great video. Again!!👏
I'm happy to hear you liked it, thanks!
See, i knew you could do it, in just one episode you got much much more natural...🙌😇 way to go...
PS... your choice of BGM is on point, ominus and tragic... 👌
I practiced a bit 😁 Glad you liked the music, I thought it was quite appropriate too.
Great video! V1 was not a rocket but a pulse jet.
Thanks! Yes, strictly speaking it wasn't but they were usually referred like that at the time.
Cool... Yet another informative episode on this rarely discussed fighter.
Thanks for another comment!
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Thanks!
An excellent sequel!
Thanks!
Thanks for being this history to life Showtime! ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇸🏁🔱🌻🏵️💮🌸🌼🏴☠️🏹
Thanks for following it!
Odličan video👍
Hvala Medo!
The amont of losses was quite huge about the Macchi egyptian pilot. The ratio is very bad. Due to their lake of practise ?
The pilots who flew for Israel were expert and fought during the second world war, the young Israel state was lucky to find some kind of pilots.
Aujourd hui ya 50ans commençait la guerre du Kippour. Et la , c'était pas des débutants, et Le matos , pas du tout hétéroclite. Et en ce moment ça pète de partout en Israël
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Le Hamas fête cet anniversaire. Ce qui m'étonne c'est que le Mossad n'a rien vu venir.
I'm not exactly sure what was the level of Egyptian pilot training but there's no way that the level of actual combat experience could be compared to the pilots flying for Israel. Most of them flew combat in WII, some were actually aces.
@@jeannezehner9450 Tout à fait. Surtout qu'ils sont les premiers informés. Amoins que les autres aient communiqué à l'ancienne avec format papier codé ou porteur de message ( appris par cœur)un peu comme à NY en 2001
@@dominiqueroudier9401
C'est surprise surprise avec effet de sidération au sein de la population, en plus ils font des kidnappings.
Ils utilisent les mêmes techniques de guerre qu'en UKRAINE. Drone FPV, avec vidéos sur chars MERKAVA, sursaturation avec roquettes peu onéreuses car non guidées de sorte que leur dôme de fer est inefficace.
Ils ont communiqué avec le téléphone arabe.
Excelente 👏👏👏👏👏
Thank you for the comment!
I don’t think the Egyptian pilots had much of a chance against experienced pilots of the Second World War
The paint scheme used by the Israeli's in 1948 was in development (basically the planes were just sent up as fast as they could be fielded with just basic IAF roundel's and the ground-crew then modified them or didn't), these colors in the video seem accurate for the IDF in 1956, although In the officially commissioned painting of Ezer Weizman's Spitfire in 1948 it is camouflaged, although in a lot of the photos, especially of IDF P-51's in 1948 war you don't see camouflage -so i'm a little unable to be definitive. I apologize if I am wrong, but my guess is the spitfires were camouflaged but the P-51's were not. [ I tried to include some links with my comment, but got error messages when i did. ]
Actually, I'm pretty certain that Israeli Mustangs in the 1948 War were not camouflaged but silver. And in fact, War Thunder has a specific skin for one of those. I purchased it but I was quite frustrated with the fact that I couldn't make it work in user scenarios. So I went with the camouflage, which is default for Israeli Mustangs in the game. It's not historically accurate but it's one of the challenges I face when doing these scenarios.
Outside of a few aggressive and good pilots the Arab pilots were on the whole outmatched by war hardened pilots. Still those few made a good showing with the Macchi. A good few videos on this.
That basically sums it up. Thanks for the comment!
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Those 205s were armed with Mauser MG 151 20 mm cannon ?
Wow, I didn't know that there were a double ace against V-1 'rockets'.
What if Israelies would get the Macchies and Fiats instead of the Avia 'Mezeks'?🤔
I might cover the V-1 shootdowns someday, there's quite a number of pilots who were successful in it. As for Macchis in Israeli hands, perhaps the biggest difference would have been fewer landing/takeoff accidents and Israeli pilots lost in them as the S-199 was very dangerous to fly.
Spitfires with squared wing tips ?
Yes, there was a clipped wing version. Most airframes flown by the Israelis were like that.
I wonder when you will present a video about the “heroic” attack on Tel Aviv made by 3 Italian bombers, an attack that killed around 100 citizens in a town that had no military value, just for the fun of killing civilians
The Italean attack on tell Aviv took place on September 1940, it followed several attacks on Haifa which had a port which was used by the British navy. Tel Aviv had nothing military inside or around it back than.
King David hotel was bombed by Jewish anty British militia because it served the British administration back then. A worning was issued but the British authorities didn't take it seriously.
Considering it’s an Air to Air channel, about air to air combat, probably he won’t, because he covers air to air engagements more or less exclusively
Back at 1940 there was no fighter aircraft to engage those Savoia Marketi, it was not important enough for the British
There are some 'technical' problems. We have the Italian bombers in War Thunder and there's even map of Israel but Tel Aviv really isn't modelled. I'm not sure if a bombing of a city could be presented adequately.
@@showtime112 this incident is very well documented, to be honest, it dragged my attention some 2 years ago when I was in a very old part of a cemetery near Tel Aviv and I so a grave with the indication that it’s the final rest place of many of the unfortunate people who were killed in that meaningless attack, this made me start looking for information about that incidents and many other similar ones.
can you do latest hamas attack on israel?..tq
Probably not, simulations are not especially suitable for something like that.
TQ SIR.AND ITS VERY SENSITIVE...HAHA@@showtime112
In the light of future developments it is hard to cheer the Israelis.
No it's not RAAAH🦅🦅🦅🦅🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Name 1 (positive) thing the Middle East has contributed to the advancement of the human race in the past 70 years.....
In the light of how arrogant Irish people are, it’s hard to sympathise with their fight for independence!
What future developments? Why are we not allowed to live in our own country in peace? How come all the Arab states are not enough for them!?? We have ONE country… they have a dozen!!
Good versus Evil, Liberty versus Despotism, belief in God Almighty versus denial of God Almighty. You have free choice to choose. Choose well.
11:30 don't you mean terrorist group?
Terrorists attack civilian targets
@@showtime112 well sir as much as I'd like to keep politics off your channel (which I still say is one of the best for aviation lovers on RUclips) I will say this; that Italy was not at war with Israel, the employees of this aviation company were civilians, yet these "paramilitaries" as you put it bombed an Italian company purely for providing aircraft to Egypt. Their intent was to coerce the Italians away from selling arms to their enemies. If the Egyptians did the same to the Boeing plant in Seattle or the Super marine facilities in Birmingham or Southampton for equipping the IDFAF; wouldn't that be terrorism?
@@sufianansari4923 Well, if Egyptians destroyed airframes without taking civilian lives, it wouldn't strictly be terrorism. American authorities would probably have a different opinion though.
@@showtime112 I think we both know what that opinion would be and we may leave it there. In the meantime, I look forward to more of your videos. Thank you
Terrorism is generally considered illegal per laws of warfare. In a war, bombing the factories supplying war material to the enemy as an act of sabotage is generally not regarded as terrorism. For example, If carried out from the air, it is considered "Strategic Bombing" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing I'm not sure what to call it if the bombs are planted in the factories, but "terrorism" seems inappropriate. I don't see the term Strategic bombing being limited to a declared state of war [certainly bombing a supplier could be seen as an "act of war".]
Even when they have a good pilot they can't win those arabs.
It's almost boring.
yes yes yes we know the Israeli pilot wins.
It is what it is. Personally, I find it very interesting nevertheless.
Hello mate. Today 50th anniversary of Kippur war. At same time many terrorist attacks in Israël. This video was the beginnings of long war👎
Despite these things, the video is by far the poorest starter of the las ten. But the night is still young :)