How To Identify Cleaned Coins - My Personal Cleaned Coin Collection
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- My Personal Cleaned Coin Collection - How To Identify Cleaned Coins
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i heard that if you clean the coins rather than just leave it in its original condition , The value goes down, Its best to leave it original
Maybe I'm all wrong, but I just don't mind cleaned silver coins. I find the heavy tarnish just unsightly and won't have them in my collection. Thanks for another great show.
Daniel, Love this one!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I don't feel so alone as far as having cleaned coins in my collection. The ones I have were cleaned properly, and have come out of darkness into a beautiful new life!!!!!!! VAMs ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love the example of the reverse on both of these coins which clearly displays cleaning and what to look for. I’ve bought cleaned coins that were presented as problem free, fortunately I was able to get my money back for it but only after going through many unnecessary hoops and hurdles. Thank you Daniel for all the informative videos you put up!
Daniel: Another great video. It is just a fact that many, many coins are cleaned and some actually benefit from a proper cleaning, especially Morgan dollars. I always wanted a Year Set of Morgan dollars, so I bought a Capital Plastics holder, purposely bought a lot of great looking coins, even though some were slabbed as "Cleaned--UNC Details", took them out of the slabs and put them in the Capital Plastics holder. The set looks awesome and I have it framed on my wall. I could not be happier. Thanks for letting me share. Cheers.
Dipped coins can be challenging. Heavily tarnished coins don't dip well as it leaves a matte etched surface, especially noticeable on proofs. However, lightly tarnished UNC and proof coins can come up beautifully.
I for 1 enjoy any coin, cleaned or not. I know this is not the topic of this video. I'd just be happy to have them.
Great video as always,Daniel. Love the channel and your willingness to share all the information. I am a student of the hobby and you are the teacher. I've got tons of respect.. Thank you,sir.
thank you for Everything, You are a great teacher.
I"m a air head coffee drinking, can:t remember type of guy.
Still collecting penneys , and star notes, and some times all over the board.
I take alot of naps, not much gets done, but I like to look at coins to keep busy.
being retired time has a new meaning.
DO SOMTHING
Great educational video.👍🇺🇸
Personally cleaned coins doesn't bother me.
Hello Daniel, I have no issue with a coin that has been cleaned. As long as the coin is not ruined by the person doing the cleaning. I will dip a coin all day long. Thanks for sharing. Take care.
Thanks for an informative video. As others have said. I personally do not mind some cleaned coins. However, I want to be aware of it so that I can value it appropriately.
Yea I agree. Although cleaning makes them 'less valuable', I would almost prefer it in certain circumstances
I think a lot of people clean their coins. I see so many that are bright and shiny.
Very good video hope everyone watches this
Usually I look at a coin and if it doesn't have its natural luster then I figure it cleaned or something. Even with my bad eyes I can tell if it's natural
Collars? Just kiddin' man. Great video :)
You make a good point Daniel, similar to my question you answered a few months ago. A coin graded MS can actually be less desirable than an AU or lower, and even one labeled ‘cleaned’. Eye appeal is very important.
Thanks for getting me into coins! Had the amazing opportunity to look at a friends 1836 first steam US mint medal and was fascinated at the history behind it!
Coin help you community is very helpful. Thanks
Great video loaded with helpful information! I always try to learn what I missed when I receive a details grade submission. I especially struggle with identifying coins that receive a details damaged grade from those with just normal circulation. Thanks for sharing!
Great class.
This sounds like what I do, I keep all coins that come back with any details issues. They can help me learn how to identify problems on other coins in the future prior to sending them off for grading.
Thanks for the video.
Thanks Daniel for another great video. Details are not with standing here. Loads of information ! Most if not all of those cleaned coins I wouldn't turn my head on. Very nice sharp details. Hope things are going well for Dad and family.
Thanks so much again lovely information. 😁
Great information. Thank you for all you do.
Beautiful coin collection 🤝
thank you for the information, Now I have to take a Nap...
Too much info..
No coffee today..
So Mr. Mind is Not Awake as Yet.
Thank you so much for this video learned a lot.
Excellent video! But after many years of trying, I've given up trying to consistently identify coins that PCGS and NGC will call cleaned. If I'm buying an inexpensive coin to put in an album, I just don't worry about it. If I'm buying a coin with significant value, I always buy it already certified to avoid buying cleaned coins.
There are sooo many cleaned coins that get by the graders. I don't think you can trust them either. I was shocked at some that were marked "details" in this very fine video on the subject. Morgans are my only passion.
Merry Christmas Daniel and to the entire Malone family
Awesome video Daniel . Thank you for the coins and knowledge you share .
I clean some coins just for me. No plans for resale
Some of these are obvious, some are not so obvious. But MAN! Some of them just seem so overly nit-picky, that maybe another submission might generate a different result?
I would like to see a video on the natural toning process of coins.😊
Hello from the great state of Michigan
Hello from the great state of Ohio
Thank you. Learned a lot
Great video. Thank you.
Great video Daniel
Very informative video. Thanks for making it!
I once bought a lot of peace dollars from an estate sale, back when they were relatively cheap. The man who owned them was a heavy smoker and it was obvious when you walked into the house, it stunk. The Dollars were raw and I got them cheap as they literally had a layer of sticky brown gunk likely a mixture of dirt and nicotine deposits. I was in a quandary as they seemed to be nice coins, but were filthy nasty and they literally stunk. I finally decided that something had to be done. I prepared a solution of Dawn dishwashing soap and distilled water. I put them into an old raw (uncoated) aluminum saucepan. I boiled them for about ten minutes each and the water came out dark brown. The deposits were removed and the surface of the coin was not altered. I considered those coins "conserved" rather than cleaned as the surface of the coins were not altered, just the dirt and deposits removed by heat and a gentle detergent action. I tripled my money on these coins and they went into people's collections. It's important to use an old-school raw aluminum pan without any kind of non-stick coating as the aluminum is softer than the coins and will not abrade them if you swish them around. (These can usually be found with little effort at your local thrift store) This method is not for minor grime but heavily soiled gunked up coins.
This is what I do with dirt and mineral covered coins from metal detecting.
Yeah for real, you cant just drop a caked up coin on the counter. That would just be uncivilized.
Non-sticks are actually harmful, search up dupont teflon scandal.
Perfect. It doesn't change the surface, just cleans it without "cleaning."
That was perfect! So much appreciated!😁 #GreatVideo 🪙💰✨️
Great video!
A tardy Good Morning Daniel!!🍵 I feel like those who clean coins are numismatic land mines!!😱
Great information here, always learning something new. The peace Dollar that was struck in a late die state almost looked like it had some type of porosity yet still had die frost. The one Peace Dollar that was unc Details threw me off. I would have definitely missed it
Another great video
Sweet! 👍
another great video
i am already clicking and liking
Great video.
I think cleaned copper coins have a pink look to them.
You never stop learning something new about coins especially with all the great information Daniel shares . For those of you who are old enough to remember the commercials you can't beat the Free information Daniel shares even at Cas Walker lol . Seriously the information Daniel shares for Free will save people a lot of money and disappointment if you pay attention to what he is teaching . I learn new things about coins here and i have been collecting coins for over 40 years . Thank you Daniel ,i really appreciate the knowledge you share for the collecting community .
Thank you
Great video! appreciate this kind of content A++++
i was hoping you would have said how much it effects the value of each of those coins.
Good
I've never seen colors on coins like the color chart you're showing
That wasn’t the point
In my humble opinion, a cleaned coin is an ALTERED coin. I tend to stay away from these as they are more difficult to move if you choose to eventually sell them.
With one would you recommend for grading, PCGS, or NGC. I'M done with ANACS...
I've noticed cleaned and re-darkened old copper has a bluish tint.
This is an awesome source of information! So it wouldnt matter if someone is color blind in grading coins????
Thanks for the video.
I am pretty sure that I have deleted my comment. Since it said keep writing or discard in my finger slid across my phone I didn't see what it touched. But I don't see my comment anywhere. I do not know how to retrieve a comment that you disregard. But I really don't want to write it out again. Although I wrote this explanation out. Anyway thanks for your videos and I have subscribed to your channel.
Nice overview! Some great examples in there for sure! I'm one that prefers nicely worn silver in most cases, so when I see worn ones cleaned it kills me. I think there's still some Ebay sellers out there that do that, thinking they are making it better -crazy! But, plenty of your examples are nice coins for sure and I wouldn't hesitate to grab one if the price was right. Thanks for the vid!
There is nothing simpler than restoring the patina on silver. One part ordinary household bleach, and nine parts water. Put the coin in a dish, and cover it with this solution. Within 60 to 90 seconds, you will see the desired patina. If too much patina occurs, a gentle rubbing with the fingers will bring it back.
That's artificial and I can be discerned by experienced eyes that know how alloys tone.
@@CoinHELPu Well real professional toners, have many more tricks up their sleeves. Some use golden-brown permanent ink, and still others use other chemicals. Heat from a hair dryer also helps. Take a cheap silver coin, like an old 1922 Peace Dollar, and spend some time trying out every possible combination of toning methods. If it looks bad, clean the coin and start over. After all: we all know how collectors HATE cleaned coins!
Uncleaned silver has depth to it i find unlike clean which white ..but I could be wrong also.lol
My first color chart was 1971 and it don't count either. But I know what you're talking about
i have question. A few years ago i bought a 1826 S peace dollar from a small private seller on Ebay..When i got the coin it looked like a proof. I saw that in the picture and just assumed it had been polished. i got it and it weighed out, passed the magnet test,caliper test,etc..But when i got my double jewlers loop out i can find no scratches ,whizz lines, buffing in the fiileds..It just looks like a proof- How can this happen ?
I think coin collectors on ebay are getting more knowledgeable. Cracking coins out of holders doesn't cause them to buy it not knowing they're cleaned. Things were a lot different 10+ years ago when ebay allowed just anyone to open a coin grading service and slab their own coins.
I received two coins back from PCGS AU Details one with a huge amount of toning .... is this normal ?
This question has nothing to do with the video, but what’s a good price to buy a full obw roll on unc steel cents?
I cleaned a 1909 S VDB penny once. Then I melted it in a forge. So what? I just helped yours go up in value, you should thank me.
So cleaning involves Chemicals? Wizzing if buffing?
We have used dish soap and our thumbs is that called cleaned and sometimes baking soda and water and our thumbs is that cleaning
Personal nitpicks: The thing about "RED" cents is that my eyeballs have never seen a red cent unless someone painted it. What is the color of raw copper? It is not red. I've seen plenty of orange cents, but I've long thought the term Red Cent was incorrect, but they use it because it's short and sweet. Also, pennies were never solid copper, they WERE bronze.
As for "toned" silver coins, the vast majority of them that I've seen or seen images of, have no appeal at all to me. Maybe some iridescent rainbow toning is OK, but most silver toning detracts from the appeal. The way the grading companies just evaluate post-mint wear present on a coin to determine its grade is one thing, but I've seen pictures of high Mint State coins that you could hardly see through the tarnish. To me at least, tarnish is certainly a form of POST MINT DAMAGE. Yes, the nature of the metal rather lends itself to having this happen, but still, but the coins become something other than mint state.
I inherited some coins from my Father and in there are some silver dollars he found as a bank teller back in the 50s and 60s. Last year when the reproduction Morgan/Peace were on the horizon, I dug out one of each just to have a look at, to remind me of what a 90% original looked like. I ended up leaving them propped on my desk here under one of my monitors. The 1899 Morgan was pretty nice, but the 22 Peace was... dirty? I don't know but I cleaned it, it's like XF so the mint luster wasn't really there anyway. In cleaning, I tried to be as unobtrusive as possible, but I wanted to the see the design on the coin. It's not like I'm going to send it off for grading.
I've seen red before but most do appear orange.
I completely agree. Perhaps the funniest part of the misuse of "red" to mean "not darkened over time" is that some older cents DO turn a dark, almost crimson red, a red version of the desirable "chocolate" color, a color nobody would call orange or anything else but red... and graders designate such cents as brown.
Ok great video on cleaning my friend. How do you price these unc detailed coins in your shop ? A rare CC is not going to be discounted that much right ? Even though it has been cleaned ? How about a common date ?
I have been putting a regular price on them and taking offers. Usually I get Grey Sheet or wholesale price on the cleaned coins.
You got me looking at all my ungraded Morgan and peace dollars with a loupe. I have a very nice 1879-S Morgan with a nice proof like appearance. But I can see tiny little lines in the fields, all going in the same direction. Can’t those lines come from polished dies? Not necessarily cleaning lines? Or am I wishful thinking here?
You might be optimistic. Hold it in the light at angles and look for the frost on the cheek at 4x. It's either there or not.
I prefer professionally cleaned coins, it's mine, I'm not selling any of my Morgans and Peaces I had since a little kid, I decided to clean few of them, and leave ones inside the plastic pro graded cases as is, but very carefully cleaning some simple dirt on 99.9% coins below MS 63 "WHO CARES?" The old ass as dirt tarnished silver coin from only choo choo daze are bought by coin dealers for melt plus 5% anyway.
I know I am different.... but I just hate the cheap, gaudy looking plastic tombs that the grading companies use... personally, I like plastic snaps that can be opened ... then you can hold the coin in your hands... then you can care for YOUR coin as you wish... and stop trying to MAKE MONEY, but rather, enjoy the art work... (they clean up expensive paintings, don't they??)
My condolences, I've spent years trying to find a way to clean, and ultimately ruining many ( I could've been somebody coins) Ha!
Where on that colour chart will I find brown?
You can find any chart you want online
You can’t win. It either has microscopic hairlines and is considered cleaned or it has a spec of crust and it’s environmental damage. I gave up.
Is there anything wrong with cleaning silver maples? if they have milk spots, since it bullion and not for collecting, does it matter?
There are dates that bring more than standard fare bullion. Usually the lower mintages. The '97 for instance. I personally would not worry about milk spots. I don't think you can remove them without ruining the surface.
Cleaned coins aren't any good. You can give them to me.
Why is it such a bad thing to have cleaned coins (particularly copper cents)? - Or at least with such a bad stigma? When looking a large hard-to-see small cent collection through the plastic sheaths/holders it takes extra effort to appreciate the beauty of those coins. Cleaned cents' beauty are much easier to share to non-collectors as well.
Copper is highly reactive. Any chemicals touching the surface will leave a copper coin with an unnatural color, and that coin is easily discerned by any collector that's studied a lot of coins. Silver is trickier to immediately discern, but there are many clues to guide the evaluation. Coin collectors want surfaces--however they may be, tarnished or otherwise--to be genuine, to show the color of their age. The marks of age contain some of the magic of holding a hundred-year-old coin, and make it special. The coin has history, and it shows.
Because copper coins take on a funny, unnatural color. Even after they've retoned for many years they still look strange. Such coins are hard to sell unless they are early and rare US cents (or half cents) or colonial coppers. 2-cent coins were also made of copper and they're often cleaned.
That’s just how the market views cleaned coins
Sad to see so many cleaned coins. Should be a felony. Once the surface is altered it seems that they will virtually never come back to a natural state. Some slight cleaning can look O.K. but will ways have a "too perfect" looking surface, not normal. Worst part is when they will even clean a VF's or F's, very worn but want the collector to believe they were "just minted." A friend of mine has a uncirculated Lincoln set which really seemed weird because all have exactly the same coloration, which never happens. Looked really phony to me. Uncirculated naturals always seem to have a lot of slight variations, which is why I actually like a natural brown unc. for Lincoln and Indians. Unc. is unc. and though it may be graded a brown 60 due to color, you know it's natural and a perfect specimen. As we speak there is a dealer on ebay who cleans EVERY morgan dollar he sells, "morgandealer." Disgusting. Must be some who will buy them. They look absolutely awful, a glaring disaster. Sad to see one man ruin coins for all that will follow for many generations to come. Maybe it will make the rest more valuable.
My 1889 Morgan is tone
Would you answer questions on foreign coins??? Especially if I sent photos of them?
As I told you in a comment. I am not a world coin expert and I only help in my help community linked in each video. Thanks
Ok
I really can't understand why the Buffalo nickel needed to be marked reverse wheel mark as well as the 1928 Buffalo cleaned. You are going to have environmental damage here and there as well as rub marks. It doesn't mean someone tried to clean it. It could have gotten rubbed in someone's pocket back in the 1940's. Cleaned to me is as if someone intentionally tried to make it look better. I think they are getting too picky.
I cleaned a coin with a chemical i wont mention with a rag/cloth of a material i wont mention and it still looks uncleaned.
Ill also use latex tape to fill in the low spots and go over that with glue to cover the high spots so i can polish just the background so it looks like a proof or ill do just the head and ketters for a reverse proof.
They look better than the garbage vmcleaned coins people try to scam with and i saya mine are cleaned.
But you cant tell
I have been collecting for decades and have never figured out why coins are punished for being cleaned. I can understand if someone is performing some odd slight of hand, but a coin is a coin. I suppose it is slightly damaging it, but I think these coin grading companies with their negative identifications are hurting the hobby. Being the devils advocate.. would you drive a dirty car? and no; I don't clean my coins.. ok when I was in third grade I took a pencil eraser to a penny.
It's not the grading companies but collectors want an original coin as it came from the mint or a coin that was naturally handled and worn. It's negative to most collectors that a coin was artificially manipulated just to make it look shiny.
@@CoinHELPu Yep, there has to be a baseline.
Hi I have 1967 hafe dollar edge all silver is it a sms
the ugliest cleaning on coins are polished and whizzed.
There is a dealer on Ebay , every coin is wizzed to the point of awful. People buy them.
Is Windex or Clorox better for cleaning coins?
Nope
Neither should be used. Don't clean coins; restore coins that it makes sense to. Always consult with an expert about cleaning.
How do you tell which are cleaning lines and those that are contact lines?
Cleaning lines are parallel
@@CoinHELPu Speaking of lines ... I just looked at the '42 war nickel you put up on your site. Why shouldn't I think it was cleaned right off the bat? It's covered with lines.
It's a proof and it toned that way in the cello. I should have restored it, but left it as is.
I'VE HEARD THAT IF THERE IS NO WAGON-WHEEL EFFECT ON THE COIN WHEN MOVING IT AROUND, THEN IT'S NOT A PROOF COIN,BUT CLEANED
That's only one aspect of detecting cleaned coins, my video talks about many, some cleaned coins still have a cartwheel effect.
Not a popular opinion but realistically unless a coin is totally uncirculated, it’s probably been exposed to most everything people could classify as ”cleaned”..purists scream if you rinse dirt off with tap water…that silver quarter you found on the ground got rained on-uh oh, it’s been cleaned! How many million coins have gone through the laundry? They’re RUINED…
yes I’m being sarcastic..
Why is it sacred to want to preserve DIRT and body oil over being able to view the beautiful artistic details?
As a metal detectorist and a collector, I find coins you can’t even identify and yes I DO have to soak them in some distilled water and Dawn on occasion just to identify them.
Would I Dremel one? Nope.
Would I scream at someone for rinsing dirt off a coin in the field while detecting-heck no!
If it's 150 yrs old and it's shiny it's been cleaned unless it's been in outer space or high vacuum .good old boys lcs .dipped em all .🧐maybe if you pay them for 🤓 cleaning thell not say cleaned
The grading companies are Holding back coins With high grades and poor owners so just make sure your coin has a back story if it's a unicorn .they don't want to give the next high grade to a common Working class person so don't drink the coolaid
Proof? Conjecture isn't the facts, conjecture and guessing and opinions are huge issues online.
@@CoinHELPu excaly!! there is plenty of examples for u to examine !!.we have a crooked gov and media but coin graders can't be bought 😅 human era happens but we have power to correct and don't !?! Common sense is super power these days
You have no proof that human graders can be bought. Why don't you try doing it yourself and see how it works out. I have coin grading friends and you can't buy them out, it doesn't work like that. No guarantee they will be the ones to grade your coins and more than one grader grades the coins. You just don't know how it works and giving out bad opinions.
@@CoinHELPu that's a fair statement I'm stubborn but not unreasonable I'm 43 and seen a lot of graded coins and u seem to be leery of the grading process can we agree it needs a few Tweeks?
@@CoinHELPu I feel 2 of your gold coins got a bad grade and at minimum 1 should have been 65!! It slips my mind the 1
After all of this talk I'm scared to send in my 1826 capped bust 50 in for grading
When these companies conserve a coin isn’t that the same thing as cleaning.
It’s not harsh cleaning
Brass molecule?
Everything is made up of molecules.
@@CoinHELPu 😔
I’d like to collect coins, but I just can’t see what he’s even talking about (I saw it a little bit on a couple of coins). Because of this, I’d be the guy that would end up paying full price on some less than ideal coins. For that reason, I think I’m going to have to stick to bullion, which is sad.
That's why you buy graded coins and buy from honest and knowledgeable dealers.
@@CoinHELPu that’s fair. Honestly, I would buy from you. I’m probably going to start with a couple of $50 scratch and dent bags for my nephews (I’d love to see them find the hobby). After that, I’ve always wanted to own some nice barbers. I’ll bug you about those.
dan you have shown in this video why not to buy raw coins. as you said some dealers don't agree the coin is graded cleaned so they crack it out and sell it. buyer beware!
That is rare, that doesn’t happen all the time