i dont mind cleand coins if i cant even tell as long as i know that i am buying it cleaned its a good way to get a discount on coins that normally may be out of my budget
Thank you Daniel for a very impressive instruction. It's unfortunate for me that Three years ago I jumped into this hobby with not experience. I'm still a fool, I like to believe people are good and honest and it just ain't so anymore; it deeply saddens me. I no I've fallen into the hunter snare to many times now, but many, many thanks to you for sharing your wealth of knowledge that is help so many collectors like myself and bringing honesty back to the profession. My Lord, please bless Daniel in all that he does, that is my prayer request. In Jesus precious and Holy name; Amen.
Ahh yes I bought a nice shiny coin and it had been over cleaned so much so the details were not there this happened because I at the time was not aware of the cleaning and a beginner I've learned a lot from your videos Daniel thank you for all the valuable lessons in your videos!!!!
That was well done and illustrative. I assume all raw coins are cleaned and when viewed, the condition must prove otherwise. If the coin is in a paper flip, and it has all these marketing notes all over it like DMPL, GEM , don't take offense when I laugh in your face
Great Video! Caveat Emptor - "Let the Buyer Beware." As a Buyer I take advantage of people who accidentlly buys a cleaned coin on Ebay. My best example what I am talking about is a 1892 50C NGC Columbian AU Details Improperly Cleaned. The Seller stated he bought the coin on Ebay as a 1892 Columbian BU. When he got the coin he sent it off to NGC to be graded, and the coin came back with AU Details Improperly Cleaned. The Buyer on the Description said he bought it as BU, and said, well, I can now see that NGC is correct. "In 1492 Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue," so the Seller decided to start the Auction off at $14.92 w $5.00 shipping. Since nobody liked the words "Improperly Cleaned," there was only one person who bid on it, me, and the coin is beautiful! Improperly Cleaned...don't look at them guys!
Dan, I collected coins for years, and prefer nice bright over toned coins, making my chances of getting a cleaned coined much easier if purchasing raw. Even though I know the basics of what to look for and stay away from, it is still very helpful for a refresher of a video as you just shown. Thank you for continuing to share and educate your followers..
Excellent video mate... Love your work! This video expresses the reason I only buy graded coins. For me it completely removes any trust concerns, including my own ignorance. I love coins, I just don't have the time to learn. Greetings from Australia, hope everyone is well...
Been watching your videos for a few months now... Getting active in coins again after decades of just buying bullion. I'm really impressed with your videos... So much is coming to coin collecting since I last was involved in numismatics. I mean, it's just unbelievable that the Chinese are counterfeiting Morgan's and the US government lets them ship counterfeit coins into our country without repercussion. But I've learned so much from your channel on so many different topics. Your content is definitely a treasure to the numismatic community.
One of your best and informative videos yet..in my opinion..I've come to understand about cleaned coins somewhat. But this video showed me just how little I had learned..I began collecting and selling over 2 and a half years now and I owe all my knowledge to you and blueridge.. well a few others as well. But Coin help U and blueridge are my numismatic professors .. I've never missed a video and try to watch the older videos when ever I get any extra time.. I refer everyone I meet to both channels and I strive to be as honest and helpful as my mentors... Pay it forward so to speak.. A huge thank you to both my mentors. I don't think I would be where I am today without their help and teaching...
There are legitimate coin dealers on eBay but there are a couple that destroy coins they sell at premiums. One dealer polishes Morgans to a burnished state. Whether the coins are uncirculated or VG, they have the same burnish. Then you have those that use chemicals to turn coins purple and call them toned, even brand new silver eagles. Let the buyer beware but this intentional destruction of coins for profit is low, IMO.
This is SO timely! I'm right in the middle of writing a letter to a very well known site about this issue and the other bit about the photoshopper. The same seller doing both.
I probably have 100 Morgan dollars I “accidentally “ bought many years ago that are cleaned. Most are circulated. I do pretty well picking out the Unc coins that have been cleaned. I have more trouble determining if a circulated coin has been cleaned.
Greatly explained and illustrated. Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge. Thank you for your time! And once again enjoy the time and good luck at the show this weekend. Can't wait to see what you bring back.
Great examples! Those borderline ones like the 1885 can be tough, but the more coins you see, the easier it gets. Also, trust your instincts! I have learned my first impression of a coin tends to be accurate, rather than what I rationalize later.
Thanks for the video! I always learn something on this channel. The whole topic of cleaning is complicated, to be sure. If I'm suspicious of a coin that I see in person, I ask the dealer if he thinks it's been worked on in any way. Often the answer is not what I expect. I've even taken a few coins to different dealers I trust and have gotten different opinions. Online, I have to be really confident to make the purchase.
Great video. It’s very difficult to be certain sometimes regarding cleaning. That’s why finding reputable sellers such as your LCS or at a convention is so important!
This would have been a very helpful video when I was a young collector. Have definitely purchased a few cleaned coins through the years but have gotten much better at identifying and avoiding them. Thanks for the video!
I purchased a $20 Double Gold Eagle Dated 1904 on Ebay from ICG Graded MS64. When I got it I mailed it down to NGC to be Re-Graded. (Looked so beautiful) They Graded it CLEANED. I mailed it back to the Ebay Guy and He said I took it out of the folder and no money to be refunded. Then I got NGC to give a letter to Ebay and then He was forced to give me back my money or be penalized from Ebay.
Thanks Daniel ! Very nice video. I think picking up if a coin is cleaned or not is a bit difficult but with time, I will get better. Early on I might have seen see those coins all shiny like 1943 wheats you think wow. Now, not so much cause I know they a re-plated or buffed. For Morgans, a little tougher for me. It takes time to learn and having examples of cleaned, partially cleaned coins next to MS examples will only make it easier to identify cleaning.
Dan you Rock!! Thank you for all your awesome info. I see many people cleaning dipping ect prior to submitting but never the results. That would be great video. Thanx so much Dadswickedammo
Brilliant video. Your comparison on the reflective nature of cleaned vs uncleaned has really helped me. I’ve just started collecting in the UK and collecting crown coins. I brought 2 Queen Victoria crowns recently. I now suspect their shiny nature means they may have been cleaned but their details are still very fine to extremely fine. Will the possible ‘cleaning’ greatly effect the value of a coin that is still features wise very fine? I guess that partly depends on who is willing to buy. Thanks again
I guess my old eye can't really tell the difference I tried to see what you were saying but since I'm a novice at this I suppose like you said it's going to take quite some time plus I ain't got that much time left. I really wish I could get my coins to you so you could look at them. Thanks so much for the video it really was interesting and informative. Have a great day and stay safe and keep your powder dry! PS by the way I say keep your powder dry to everyone even in person, most people don't know what that means and very few even ask. Thanks again
Silly thing but look for brand new shiny coins in your change, look carefully :) Then, take a brown toned penny and try to erase it with an eraser, you'll see the difference between a shiny coin and a cleaned one 😉
Cleaned coins are like regummed postage stamps, even experts can be fooled... IMHO, they are several stages for cleaned coins : 1. Cleaned coin with soapy water (harmless if not encouraged for dirty/greasy coins) and/or coin preservation 2. Cleaned coins in order to enhance appearance but without altering the coin surfaces (remove black silver spots with a soft eraser, using sodium bicarbonate...) => acceptable 3. Mildly cleaned coins : damaged surfaces but still has it's natural look and hard to tell at first glance => acceptable with a great discount 4. Harshly cleaned/polished coins : Coin has it's patina destroyed and lost it's natural look (for example very shiny but lost it's cartwheel luster or a very shiny worn coin) => No more than melt or face value
Ok, Tried Coneca, Wexler as per your suggestion. Kinda of excited. No known examples....This is a good thing right? Too bad you can't except photos on you tube. Enjoy the videos though.
Hello, Wont just handling a coin in every day transactions do the same thing as polishing the coin? Cant a coin look like it had been cleaned at one time just because it had been handled so much?
None of my coins are cleaned I had pocket change of a double die and never cleaned it. It was considered BN coin also. Code 92 detail bogus. None of my coins are cleaned.
Chrome polish makes coins look like proofs. I stay away from all unregistered rare coins. The only coins I want to submit are straight out of mint sets.
The professional RUclips video watcher's opinion: If it's a truly cleaned coin it's fairly obvious. If a coin doesn't appear cleaned and the grading companies have called it out it's time to question their motives. I don't believe in "special sauce" abilities of grading companies and I'm not sucking up for them. I think it's more likeluy that as humans they fall victim to being haughty, grandiose, angry a nd judgemental and shouldn't bne so easily sucked up to. Did I mention the greed motive? Havn't you noticed the sadistic personalities of the suck up numismatists? Wassup!
So all the historic coins that have been cleaned/restored are worth less....interesting. I thought being able to see detail clearly instead of barnacles and decay added value. Or is it all bs,,,,,, gotta have the "right name" to "restore " coins. Not saying its not a delicate process to do correctly. A coin is worth what someone is willing to pay for it,, cleaned or not.
@@CoinHELPu I know,, it just makes no sense. You clean an "ancient" coin, it makes it better. You clean an old-abused coin you are punished for it. Its much like the chimp and ladder experiment where the chimps were sprayed,,, soon they started attacking other chimps that approached the ladder themselves without knowing why. Personally ,I like to see fine details on coins...and think they should be judged/graded on their own merit without "cleaning" being such a big factor.
i dont mind cleand coins if i cant even tell as long as i know that i am buying it cleaned its a good way to get a discount on coins that normally may be out of my budget
Thank you Daniel for a very impressive instruction. It's unfortunate for me that Three years ago I jumped into this hobby with not experience. I'm still a fool, I like to believe people are good and honest and it just ain't so anymore; it deeply saddens me.
I no I've fallen into the hunter snare to many times now, but many, many thanks to you for sharing your wealth of knowledge that is help so many collectors like myself and bringing honesty back to the profession.
My Lord, please bless Daniel in all that he does, that is my prayer request. In Jesus precious and Holy name; Amen.
Ahh yes I bought a nice shiny coin and it had been over cleaned so much so the details were not there this happened because I at the time was not aware of the cleaning and a beginner I've learned a lot from your videos Daniel thank you for all the valuable lessons in your videos!!!!
Good Morning Daniel!!🍵 I haven't purchased one, that I know of! And that's a big "I KNOW OF"!!!😱
Direct and to the point! Well done Daniel, your videos are excellent.
Great video. I've always wondered if there is a easy way to tell if a coin was cleaned. Now I know what to look for. Thanks Dan!!!
That was well done and illustrative. I assume all raw coins are cleaned and when viewed, the condition must prove otherwise. If the coin is in a paper flip, and it has all these marketing notes all over it like DMPL, GEM , don't take offense when I laugh in your face
Right!!! I treat the same way!!!
Gday Joe always good to see you I hope you are having a awesome week .
Great video my friend! It’s a very important part of collecting.
That is why I buy from you because you are upfront on what you sell. Your videos are a huge help on learning the in's and outs of coin buying.
Great Video! Caveat Emptor - "Let the Buyer Beware."
As a Buyer I take advantage of people who accidentlly buys a cleaned coin on Ebay. My best example what I am talking about is a 1892 50C NGC Columbian AU Details Improperly Cleaned. The Seller stated he bought the coin on Ebay as a 1892 Columbian BU. When he got the coin he sent it off to NGC to be graded, and the coin came back with AU Details Improperly Cleaned. The Buyer on the Description said he bought it as BU, and said, well, I can now see that NGC is correct. "In 1492 Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue," so the Seller decided to start the Auction off at $14.92 w $5.00 shipping. Since nobody liked the words "Improperly Cleaned," there was only one person who bid on it, me, and the coin is beautiful! Improperly Cleaned...don't look at them guys!
Dan, I collected coins for years, and prefer nice bright over toned coins, making my chances of getting a cleaned coined much easier if purchasing raw. Even though I know the basics of what to look for and stay away from, it is still very helpful for a refresher of a video as you just shown. Thank you for continuing to share and educate your followers..
Excellent video mate... Love your work!
This video expresses the reason I only buy graded coins. For me it completely removes any trust concerns, including my own ignorance. I love coins, I just don't have the time to learn.
Greetings from Australia, hope everyone is well...
Thanks brother
Hey Daniel, love your videos. Very informative and very helpful. You deserve all the best.
I've accidentally bought a LOT of cleaned coins. I didn't know it at the time, but I sure found out!
Been watching your videos for a few months now...
Getting active in coins again after decades of just buying bullion.
I'm really impressed with your videos... So much is coming to coin collecting since I last was involved in numismatics. I mean, it's just unbelievable that the Chinese are counterfeiting Morgan's and the US government lets them ship counterfeit coins into our country without repercussion.
But I've learned so much from your channel on so many different topics.
Your content is definitely a treasure to the numismatic community.
One of your best and informative videos yet..in my opinion..I've come to understand about cleaned coins somewhat. But this video showed me just how little I had learned..I began collecting and selling over 2 and a half years now and I owe all my knowledge to you and blueridge.. well a few others as well. But Coin help U and blueridge are my numismatic professors .. I've never missed a video and try to watch the older videos when ever I get any extra time..
I refer everyone I meet to both channels and I strive to be as honest and helpful as my mentors...
Pay it forward so to speak..
A huge thank you to both my mentors. I don't think I would be where I am today without their help and teaching...
I only buy from my local coin shop in Colorado Springs. I feel they're reputable. Appreciate the education as always. Have a great day...👍
Whats the coin store?
Yes I have at an LCS. I returned it and got something else
COIN COLLECTING FACTS
in life: DIRTY is bad - CLEAN is good
in coin collecting: DIRTY is good - CLEAN is bad
There are legitimate coin dealers on eBay but there are a couple that destroy coins they sell at premiums. One dealer polishes Morgans to a burnished state. Whether the coins are uncirculated or VG, they have the same burnish. Then you have those that use chemicals to turn coins purple and call them toned, even brand new silver eagles. Let the buyer beware but this intentional destruction of coins for profit is low, IMO.
Oh yeah, took it on the side of the face when I got home. 1857 Cent. Looks nice. But very light signs of being whizzed.
Great explanation!
Always great information 👍 Thanks Daniel!
This is SO timely! I'm right in the middle of writing a letter to a very well known site about this issue and the other bit about the photoshopper. The same seller doing both.
Great video.
I probably have 100 Morgan dollars I “accidentally “ bought many years ago that are cleaned. Most are circulated. I do pretty well picking out the Unc coins that have been cleaned. I have more trouble determining if a circulated coin has been cleaned.
Found 2 coins that I find out were cleaned. Thank you again for your videos
I can't wait to meet you one day. Other than my local coin club, you have been a well of quality information. Thank you!
Greatly explained and illustrated. Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge. Thank you for your time! And once again enjoy the time and good luck at the show this weekend. Can't wait to see what you bring back.
Great examples! Those borderline ones like the 1885 can be tough, but the more coins you see, the easier it gets. Also, trust your instincts! I have learned my first impression of a coin tends to be accurate, rather than what I rationalize later.
Love the MegaMan avatar your using. MegaMan was my favorite Nes game. Well pretty much 1-5
Thanks for the video! I always learn something on this channel. The whole topic of cleaning is complicated, to be sure. If I'm suspicious of a coin that I see in person, I ask the dealer if he thinks it's been worked on in any way. Often the answer is not what I expect. I've even taken a few coins to different dealers I trust and have gotten different opinions. Online, I have to be really confident to make the purchase.
Great video. It’s very difficult to be certain sometimes regarding cleaning. That’s why finding reputable sellers such as your LCS or at a convention is so important!
Thanks so much for sharing this information! One of the best videos on cleaned coins I’ve watched!
Thanks Daniel, love seeing the different things with how to tell when coins especially Morgan's are cleaned 👍
thanks that was brilliantly explained it helped me understand much better
This would have been a very helpful video when I was a young collector. Have definitely purchased a few cleaned coins through the years but have gotten much better at identifying and avoiding them. Thanks for the video!
I purchased a $20 Double Gold Eagle Dated 1904 on Ebay from ICG Graded MS64. When I got it I mailed it down to NGC to be Re-Graded. (Looked so beautiful) They Graded it CLEANED. I mailed it back to the Ebay Guy and He said I took it out of the folder and no money to be refunded. Then I got NGC to give a letter to Ebay and then He was forced to give me back my money or be penalized from Ebay.
Good Info with great examples. Thank you!
Very good information, I am just getting into collecting a few Peace Dollars and appreciate the knowledge you have provided!!
Thanks Daniel ! Very nice video. I think picking up if a coin is cleaned or not is a bit difficult but with time, I will get better. Early on I might have seen see those coins all shiny like 1943 wheats you think wow. Now, not so much cause I know they a re-plated or buffed. For Morgans, a little tougher for me. It takes time to learn and having examples of cleaned, partially cleaned coins next to MS examples will only make it easier to identify cleaning.
Thank you for the great info!
Another very informative video. Thank you!
Great Video! Thanks!
Great explanations, thank you
Thanks for the good video!
Dan you Rock!! Thank you for all your awesome info.
I see many people cleaning dipping ect prior to submitting but never the results. That would be great video.
Thanx so much
Dadswickedammo
Great Video 💞
I burned a 50 ct clean on a stove.and pcgs grade it ms65.
Very good 👍
I know an auctioneer that has a reputation for using a polishing wheel on coins that his business then sells at his sales. I don't buy there at all!
Brilliant video. Your comparison on the reflective nature of cleaned vs uncleaned has really helped me. I’ve just started collecting in the UK and collecting crown coins. I brought 2 Queen Victoria crowns recently. I now suspect their shiny nature means they may have been cleaned but their details are still very fine to extremely fine. Will the possible ‘cleaning’ greatly effect the value of a coin that is still features wise very fine? I guess that partly depends on who is willing to buy. Thanks again
Good video Daniel looking forward to the Sharonville show Friday
Me too
Thank you Daniel. Very well said. What is your address to look at your store or to ask questions
I guess my old eye can't really tell the difference I tried to see what you were saying but since I'm a novice at this I suppose like you said it's going to take quite some time plus I ain't got that much time left. I really wish I could get my coins to you so you could look at them. Thanks so much for the video it really was interesting and informative. Have a great day and stay safe and keep your powder dry! PS by the way I say keep your powder dry to everyone even in person, most people don't know what that means and very few even ask. Thanks again
Silly thing but look for brand new shiny coins in your change, look carefully :) Then, take a brown toned penny and try to erase it with an eraser, you'll see the difference between a shiny coin and a cleaned one 😉
My website portsmouthcoinshop.com/
Go to our help community here for coin help coinauctionshelp.com/forum/index.php
I have a painted US silver coin. Can I clean the paint off? or should I just leave it? Thanks Gary
PCGS, ANACS, and NGC: "Well, it looks cleaned so we will give it a Details grade".
Very good video. Is there such a thing as a weak strike?
Yes
Anymore polishing on that war nickel and it will be one-sided.😂
Great video and valuable tips on how to spot a cleaned coin.👍🇺🇸
This was an important lesson. Hope all is alright noticed getting a little thin on the shoulders. 👍
Cleaned coins are like regummed postage stamps, even experts can be fooled...
IMHO, they are several stages for cleaned coins :
1. Cleaned coin with soapy water (harmless if not encouraged for dirty/greasy coins) and/or coin preservation
2. Cleaned coins in order to enhance appearance but without altering the coin surfaces (remove black silver spots with a soft eraser, using sodium bicarbonate...) => acceptable
3. Mildly cleaned coins : damaged surfaces but still has it's natural look and hard to tell at first glance => acceptable with a great discount
4. Harshly cleaned/polished coins : Coin has it's patina destroyed and lost it's natural look (for example very shiny but lost it's cartwheel luster or a very shiny worn coin) => No more than melt or face value
I don't recommend soapy water. So many chemicals in the soap and the water.
Ok, Tried Coneca, Wexler as per your suggestion. Kinda of excited. No known examples....This is a good thing right?
Too bad you can't except photos on you tube. Enjoy the videos though.
1st 🥳
I have had people bring me coins that they cleaned and polished thinking they would get more for it.
Me too.
Hello, Wont just handling a coin in every day transactions do the same thing as polishing the coin? Cant a coin look like it had been cleaned at one time just because it had been handled so much?
None of my coins are cleaned I had pocket change of a double die and never cleaned it. It was considered BN coin also. Code 92 detail bogus. None of my coins are cleaned.
Dam I have just realised one of my ungraded Morgan’s is most likely cleaned ☹️
I bought a 1908 10 dollar gold Indian in an ANACS slab. It says motto cleaned. What does that mean for the value of the coin?
Coinhelp community is here coinauctionshelp.com/forum/index.php
👍
I can understand you never want to clean a coin with a cleaning agent, but what about laser cleaning?
Can soaking a silver coin in soapy water do damage?
Why not add a cleaned vs original surface quiz to your website?
I will look into that.
Chrome polish makes coins look like proofs. I stay away from all unregistered rare coins. The only coins I want to submit are straight out of mint sets.
Can you put a coin under water? I mean to get grime off of it.
Cleaned coins hurt my feelings
Was Justice Byron "WHIZZER" WHITE a coin collector?
I clean ny coins.
The professional RUclips video watcher's opinion: If it's a truly cleaned coin it's fairly obvious. If a coin doesn't appear cleaned and the grading companies have called it out it's time to question their motives. I don't believe in "special sauce" abilities of grading companies and I'm not sucking up for them. I think it's more likeluy that as humans they fall victim to being haughty, grandiose, angry a nd judgemental and shouldn't bne so easily sucked up to. Did I mention the greed motive? Havn't you noticed the sadistic personalities of the suck up numismatists? Wassup!
So all the historic coins that have been cleaned/restored are worth less....interesting.
I thought being able to see detail clearly instead of barnacles and decay added value.
Or is it all bs,,,,,, gotta have the "right name" to "restore " coins.
Not saying its not a delicate process to do correctly.
A coin is worth what someone is willing to pay for it,, cleaned or not.
I don’t make the rules collector’s demand does
@@CoinHELPu I know,, it just makes no sense. You clean an "ancient" coin, it makes it better. You clean an old-abused coin you are punished for it.
Its much like the chimp and ladder experiment where the chimps were sprayed,,, soon they started attacking other chimps that approached the ladder themselves without knowing why.
Personally ,I like to see fine details on coins...and think they should be judged/graded on their own merit without "cleaning" being such a big factor.
I'd have to agree. Cleaned a few of mine with white distilled vinegar and bakin' soda.