Bear 2020 Smokies vs Rogue 2020 Slalom longboard trucks
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
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0:00 - Intro
0:11 - Specs differences
0:38 - Which win on axle width?
1:16 - How do the inserts affect the trucks?
1:29 - How does the insert affect the turn?
2:00 - Which turn better/quicker?
2:33 - Which is more stable?
3:25 - How either trucks deals with road vibration
4:10 - Which has a tighter turning circle
4:43 - Which are grippier?
5:28 - Which truck do I prefer?
6:08 - Rogues are the more "forgiving truck between the two"
6:45 - Rogues could probably perform like the Smokies
7:12 - Conclusion and ramblings
very professional review. great info. thanks man.
Thanks for the review. I'm a big fan of your reviews. Glad you're having fun on the gear and taking time to give back to the community. Stay safe!
Thanks for watching! Just doing my part :)
Thank you, Your tips are very usefull, this winter i have bought the smokies and this year are the best in my longboarding life i never go that speed before. 45mph i thing than i can almost fly, the feeling is incredible !
Your work is excellent thank you very much !
Nice review man! My buddy Esteban has the Smokies and I have the Rogues. I’ve tried them both, but I’ve spent much more time on my Rogues. It’s nice to hear and opinion from someone who put them both through their paces. Well done.
You should exchange gear for a session. Both very good trucks man
Great review
Music was perfect for that run; both awesome…
Me at 6 am watching what I have no clue is... And I actively searched this
Keep pushing big man
Ahaha, well thanks for wathcing man :)
Been waiting for a good review on the Rogue Slaloms, so glad to hear your opinion.
Hope you enjoyed it!
@psychrdlongbiarding didn't you just buy the bear smokies
@@saas-rx1td yeah I did, how did u know?
@@psychedlongboarding1434 I´m your stalker...Just joking I have subscribed to your youtube channel;)
@@saas-rx1td 😂sweet, preciate ya :)
good video very informative
:) :)
Great work!
Thanks for watching :)
As far as I heard, there soon will be spherical bearing for slalom rogues. I guess they might give the same feeling as UHMWPE inserts in smokies.
Please do the review if you will manage to get these.
I would be really happy to do a review of that. I've seen a lot of people enjoying Exiles with a spherical infront and a urethane insert in teh back
@@downhill254skate Good sound reasoning on the reactivity and resistance differences between the different insert materials. Makes sense. Just an FYI - I regularly drop a spherical into my chopped cRogues' front hanger (Same COM6-T bearing as Dont Trips use), so anyway, assuming the insert-socket geometry remains consistent between the cRogues and the 2020slalms you can do it to your current loverly gold set (just remember to mod the bushing faces to clear spheric centre ball). There's nothing wrong with a comfortable mAlL-gRiP
@@com_person120 I actually do do this! I likely to ride a spherical front in my slogues these days. I talk about it in the review I made for them!
@@downhill254skate DIY cRogue chops for me mate, (wish they had the rake the Slalms have, otherwise I'm happy at 144mm mine are now). Keep it up, spicy content fella. *signed into the wrong account Damnit!
@2:00 - I feel like you could probably make the Rouges turn heaps easier/better with a higher front angle (55* range) which would also help the wheelbite issue.
Also interesting below you posted were running 93A inserts. I got mine (finally haha) the other day and was gonna start with pink inserts up front to try and increase the responsiveness (my theory is the harder the insert the quicker the bushings will engage when you lean).
Yeah, i did hear the sweet spot for Rogues was 52.5-55. On the Orbiter I have them at 53*. The Orbiter has 3* of wedging in the flush mounting. It's quicker turning, but the issue persists.
I'll give the 97a insert upfront a try. But i found that with a 95a, the resistance to turn was way too much. Let me know what you try
@@downhill254skate Yeah I'm sure there is some combination that gets the most out of the front trucks. Gonna be hard to directly compare though cos of diff rider weights, wheelbases etc but I'll let you know what I find. I can probably make my own UHMW insert as well so might try that if I can't find a good urethane combo, otherwise iirc they'll fit sphericals as well
@@downhill254skate update: all the Melbourne guys are running 73/73 up front and 97/95 in the back with white inserts all round. A bit like you I found the inserts to have too much resistance so I have settled on 78/78 up front with a spherical insert and 97/97 down back with a green insert. I've got a 1/8" soft riser and a 3* wedge b/w the spherical and the board so hasn't been too bad so far as far as vibrations etc go. Still wouldn't mind making a plastic insert to try though.
Yeah I'm thinking about giong 73/73 and 93/97 in the back. 95/97 inserts. Wish I could get a spherical insert like you, where did you pick one up?
@@downhill254skate hey man, replied to your post on the fb group
Or you do a video with the ronin vs the rogue cast truck
coming soon hopefully!
I had a Rayne deck reshape into a Rayne libido and Iam planning to have a new Truck my question is which would you prefer is it the smokies or rogues?
Smokies!
What is the size difference between the two inserts? Could a venom insert be effectively modified to work with the smokies or is the difference too much?
You could certainly lathe it down to make them fit smokies, but honestly the new Smokies insert is so much better and feels just right
03:20 does that also mean smokies feel better than rouges for anything slower like 35-40mph?
Not necessarily, but I'd go for the quickness of the Smokies. You probabyl can set up the Rogues to be just as quick, just haven't experimented with them enough
how do cast rouges compare to precision rouges or paris savants?
uhhh, tough question. I think they're not a divey/qucik to turn ... it's hard to answer in a short paragraph haha
Sorta off topic but was wondering what helmet should i get, full face helmet or classic?
Classic half cut if you're mainly skating under 35mph
@@downhill254skate thank you!
Beauty
Great comparison review, may I know the weight of the Smokeys trucks?
Not sure tbh, but can't be over 0.7kg!
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And do u feel like the rouges push you back in the slides because of their strong center?
Also do u prefer HPF or SHR venoms in them? And what bushing duro/inserts u ran in them?
Yeah, because of the insert, I felt better supported in the slides and couldn't really push into my deck cause of how the trucks pushed back at me.
I run 74/78 95/97a bushings and then a variety of inserts. When running the rogues on the Small blind I liked 93a inserts all around.
When running them on the Orbiter I used 93a front and 95a in the back.
On the Small Blind I mainly used the 106mm width. On the Orbiter, 106/116 in the back felt best.
What size wheel pairs well with the smokies so you dont get wheel bite
I can run 77mm Cheetahs on my Small Blind with almost no bite. But they lean a lot, so you need insane wheelclearance. The Small Blind has about a 1/4inch worth of clearance
@@downhill254skate so 70mm to 75 should be good right. Also do race wheels really grip at high speeds even when their 88a or higher?
@@joshf6836 even 80mm tbh. You will get bite, but you never lean enough to get wheelbite at higher speeds. Well they grip just as they do at slow speeds, you just have to respect the limits of grip for the given wheel
@@joshf6836 "Also do race wheels really grip at high speeds even when their 88a or higher?" - no (not that I think a >88a race wheel exists)
@@Dr_Footbrake lol I double checked the wheels I saw that said. 89a; annnnd yea long story short they're 75a😅
Can you make a video: paris savants vs. Bear kodiak
I'd love to! Need to get my hands on some Kodiaks tho.
Yeah would like to here your oppinion to the kodiaks
Having ridden 140mm Kodiaks for close to 12 months I'd honestly probably take cast Paris over them at this stage
@@Dr_Footbrake Yeah. I've been told no rake trucks that narrow don't feel great. Matt King won North Carolina DH race in 2019 on 140mm Kodiaks iirc. Up in the air for me until I try them, but based off the general consesus, I agree with you
@@downhill254skate I just really struggled to find a sweet spot of stability vs agility even with all sorts of wedge/de-wedge combinations. Now I've got my slalorogues I'll just use them for more freeridy kinda stuff but in all honesty I managed to dial in my 160mm cals better than my kodiaks.
I also definitely recommend them on a deck that doesn't have flush mount as they're really quite tall as well.
Are u in for sellling ur rogoues?
Nope. Probably gonna hang on to them forever
@@downhill254skate wise choice bro, didnt expect anything else haha.
Would be nice to get a full in depth review on the rouges itself too as you did for the smokies.
Skate them a little more and then let us know.
Meanwhile im trying to get my hands on a set, super hard to find one here in EU as even in the States they are sold Out everywhere.
I wonder how rouges would compare to the new valks.
@@funkymonkey981 It's def in the pipeline! Wanting to get the Comet Orbiter review out first then we see about the Rogues.
Also, trying to get my hands on some Valks hehe.
eyy, is that lighting i see
Thats your future I'm looking at actually
I want to see you review don't trip dh cybins
Wouldn't mind if I could get a set
I do everything I can to not ride through chunder. It clogs the bearings and smells bad.
Uhhh, chunder is like, rough roads ... Not throw up. But I can see what you mean ... I hope this is a joke haha
@@downhill254skate Definately just joking mate. It made me laugh when you said it. Good video, thanks
Meanwhile I'm getting kicked out of my house over dumb shit
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Damn, did you land on your feet?