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@@BastardX13Honda famously spent their way to the top of any bad season for 30 odd years. Its not as if Ducati are doing anything unusual financially.
You said that Gigi listened to the riders.. when Lorenzo was at Ducati, he complained that they did not listen to his input and that he was struggling on the bike as a consequence. He complained that he didn't have enough support from the tank all season, and when they finally modified it for Mugello he won.
I agree with this. When Lorenzo was at Yamaha, his input basically made the Yamaha the easiest bike to ride on the grid. When he left for Ducati, Yamaha kind of lost their direction and became worst. And as you said, when Ducati finally made the changes that Lorenzo asked, he straightaway won multiple races. Now, Ducati is the easiest bike to ride on the grid. When Lorenzo went to Honda, I predicted it as a very bad move for Lorenzo as Honda already has Marquez as their golden boy, thus getting Lorenzo was just a tactical move to tie down Lorenzo. Honda openly stated that they will only listen to Marquez for input and ignoring Lorenzo was the proof that I was right. But karma hit Honda harder with Marquez's horrible crash which ultimately became the doom of Honda in MotoGP, as they lost the only rider that can ride their bike.
Accurately saying but Yamaha lost its mojo as soon as control ECU and Mitchielne tyre comes..2014,15 yamaha is only made on Rossi's input mostly and Lorenzo like 15 bikes more than 14...rossi and lorenzo basically has same input for development of bike...they ride same ways very smoothly...but Yamaha lost it when they introduce Mitchielne tyre...Yamaha is good and Musk's their rear grip issue bcz of very grippy Bridgestone tyre..@@budokpantai
@@md.shaonprinceshuvo5412 true. But there's an interesting event that made me think Lorenzo input is a bit bigger than Rossi if it comes to ECU tuning. I can't remember which race it was, but Yamaha had a pretty difficult weekend at that time, but in the warm up session, Lorenzo suddenly got better pace and he became faster in the race on sunday. Later it was revealed that Lorenzo simply asked for more engine breaking. They just plugged a laptop each time he went into the pit in that warm up session, but that worked wonders (for him at least). This is just my opinion though.
Lorenzo refused to test a new frame in Thailand test while Dovizioso not only test it, but used it to start the season. Lorenzo got this frame at Mugello...
Ducati was left behind in the dust in ecu development. Honda and yamaha was lightyears away. Look no further than 2014 and 2015. until unified ecu era came in 2016. Actually i dont want to highlight the obvious reason. But if not because the baby Alien marc marquez. They will absolutely win in 2017 onward. Well. In 2019 mm win with 420pts, singlehandedly carry honda to win manufacturer title with 426. 2020 is turning point for sure. But real edge they have is aero. I remember when everyone just straight hate it cus it ruined the bikes aesthetic. I do hate aero because now rider cant do their usual slip stream anymore. If you are in the back of another rider, tire temp will raise, grip will be less, and you use more tire to overtake. Creating boring race like in motegi last sunday. Applaus for dorna lmao. With aero, overly grippy micheline tires, and powerful engine backed by good ecu. Ducati becomes the best bike on the grid. It has no weaknesses at all. They didnt even need to risk like mm in 2019, leaned 65°+ in the corner to make up the apex. To carry more corner speed. Just ful gas like in the game. Thats why pecco struggled when the grip is low. Whereas rossi and marc excel at.
The japanese also had electonics developed by leading computer companies… Now that advantage is gone though since motogp moved to a spec ecu for all bikes
Fair play to Ducati. Funny how they had 8 bikes in 2017 and 2018 and nobody cared. Since 2022 they’ve had 8 bikes again and just because it’s the best bike suddenly they shouldn’t be allowed them 😂
Gigi also took advantage of the Open Class concessions for his factory bikes. They basically had a green light for development vs the Japanese. I still contend that Honda pretty much stopped developing the RC213V when Marc got there.
Gigi is the Adrian Newey of two wheels. You are so on point why was Rossi failed in Ducati. It was the first time Rossi had to ride a Moto cross like MotoGP in tarmac.
Rossi was good at sliding. He had zero front end feeling on the Ducati which made it difficult to trust plus it was going through a massive development change with the aluminium chassis. Watch some old races and Rossi was very competant at riding sideways.
The biggest change was not the ECU, not Gigi or anything else. The biggest change was the tyres. Ducati was always a bike that used rear tyres for performance. During the Bridgestone era, the rears were weak. They couldn't do much about this and the Japanese factories were all about the front tyre. Michelin shifted the front/ rear balance towards the rear. This is why they immediately won a race in 2016 and the bike was much better from the start. All other factors added to this. Ducati always had usable power. They always relied on the rear tyres as well to stop the bike. Until the Michelins came along, the rest of the ridrers didn't even bother with the rear brakes that much. That was mostly for stability rather than raw braking strength.
The fact that Dall'igna made two masterpieces bikes, the RSV4 first with what he dominated WSBK and killed Ducati, then go to MotoGP with them and kill the competition there plus making the Panigale, V2 and V4. This man is a genius
Just a note about desmodromic valves, they usually still have valve springs. It's just that with desmo systems, the valve springs are really only there to take up the lash in the system and hold the valve closed. So you can use a much smaller, weaker spring since you're not relying on that spring to control the valve throughout it's full range of travel. Now in theory, it could be possible to eliminate the spring completely, perhaps with some sort of oil pressure powered hydraulic system but a spring is just so much simpler and easier, I doubt anyone has done that though admittedly I've never seen inside a modern Ducati GP engine so maybe they are doing something like that. On another note, Ducati is not the only one to use desmo valves. Mercedes had great success with it in F1 and street cars in the 50s. Norton tried it. There is even a single cylinder test head with desmo valves from Toyota's ultimately failed F1 attempt. I have also seen a Ferrari V12 head with desmo valves but seems to have never gone beyond the prototype/testing stage. I believe that was actually a joint effort between Ferrari and Ducati. As for today, the combination of 4 valves per cylinder (meaning the valves are smaller and lighter, thus easier to control), pneumatic valve "springs" and better materials have made desmo valves, well not obsolete obviously as Ducati is still winning with them but not really practical for most companies in most applications.
@Absolute Dan - You have said so many time that you are not an engineer, however, you sure sound like one. Importantly, your voice and style of delivery is super clear. A big fan of your content.
has anyone mentioned that they got rid of the carbon chassis which used the engine as a stressed member?? thats pretty much the reason they started getting competitive. they started in MotoGP with the same steel trellis frame as the superbikes had back in the day, ( the superbikes now have an alloy frame and use the engine as a stressed member) then moved to the carbon chassis. only Casey stoner managed to (sort of) get the bike winning, it nearly killed doing so. the frame had no flex in it, cagiva tried it before years ago. rossi took over and him with Jerry burgess told ducatil they need to make the chassis like the Japanese, alloy delta frame.
I believe it is so close as to be virtually impossible to pin down precisely why Ducati currently shines....we are talking tiny margins of superiorety and on some courses it wont even manifest at all....nope it is far too complex to nail the precise WHY...everything effects something else. I imagine some of it is simply just a lucky hapenstance getting the right people working together and maybe some good old fashion LUCK in engineering and personal choices working togeter just a teense better than the competition's! On the other hand we see Honda floundering despite the luxury of fairly bottomless recources like I say a SUPER difficult puzzle where practically any change can affect something else negatively or positively and really so difficult to ascertain except via trial and error of fallible humans that vary in sensitivity to what is better from day to day to day....I mean you are asking riders to difentively say if something is .001% better and even if they get it right? is it right for every temperature? or is it worse when warm and better when cool etc etc....And what feels better via seat of the pants to a test rider might feel like dog crap to your star rider!
You can see a tremendous gain of grip performance after they switched from carbon semi-monocoque chassis to a much conventional twin-beam aluminum chassis where they can further refine and alter the lateral flex of the chassis to get those extra cornering grip and no longer use engine as part of the stress member.
Loris CapiRossi and Alex Barros had some pretty good results and Troy Bayliss won a GP on a one off ride. Stoner rode it the best but he was not the only one to get impressive results on it.
capirossi won 7 gp with ducati. Bayliss won once while racing a wild card. In 2006 they already had the best bike (and best tyres...) but barcelona crash happened.
Exactly, let's take the opinion of someone who is qualified, the late Nicky Hayden , who said when he got on the Ducati '"Whatever Ducati are paying Casey, its not enough "
You missed the biggest game changer of them all for Ducati. The mass damper courtesy of hiring robin tuluie. He helped the renault F1 team with the same technology in 2005/2006.
First Desmo GP6 Ducati used pipe frame than GP 10 used carbonframe than since Rossi and burgess moved from Honda and yamaha to Ducati, Ducati chaged to Alumunium frame until now.than dovizioso moved To Ducati from Honda.
Im personally starting to think your videos are to short. A little to simplified. We went from 2007 to the present in literally no time. To many things were left out here in what is a really interesting story.
I do believe that Ducati has brought many innovative developments to MotoGp, but not all have benefitted from the developments and especially not the fans! But there also seemed to be a few of choices that were put in place by Dorna to benefit Ducati as the World SBK did in the 90's under the leadership of the Famini group. But nonetheless there success in MotoGp is absolutely deserved!
Yes. They came from SBK, where they had had quite some success, to MotoGP where they did not. Um, yeah. Because in MotoGP they had to run to the same rules as everyone else. No more "you can have a larger engine because your basic design isn't as good". When are the Japanese teams going to be allowed to run 1,000cc in-line4 engines in MotoGP?
@@gomezgomezian3236 You don't understand the engineering concept of BMEP, Gomez my friend. And BTW Honda eventually made a V-twin of 1,000cc. And was no more powerful that the Ducati V-win. In fact, the Ducati won more races than the Honda when they ran against each other. Just one unfortunate fall-off by Bayliss allowed the points to swing the points to Edwards to become the champ.
Twice the data per lap compared to every other team. And all the other teams great riders who developed the bikes retired. Aside from dani pedrosa but even still the ktm he is helping build has only just got a rider good enough to keep up with ducati now.
Filippo Preziosi and Casey stoner were genius and they had produced results when Ducati management had not invetsed enough into their racing team (poorly funded racing corp). And with Casey chronic fatigue health issues and poor treatment of Filippo and riders for its results... It was Ducati corse who needed to learn from its act not their central figures hall of famers moto gp legend for its success or failure.
I liked the video! In my opinion, you didn't mention something significant. Since the beginning in MotoGP, the Ducati project was based on the engine as a stressed part of the chassis. It means that without the engine the bike couldn't stand by herself. I don't remember exactly but probably around 2009 the MotoGP rules have been changed and started limiting the number of engines that every rider could use for the whole season. Also, the engine couldn't be upgraded during the season, they had to stay untouched. Because the engine was part of the chassis, for Ducati this rule ended limiting the development of the chassis too during the season. The first Ducati in MotoGP with a "normal" chassis was strongly requested and driven by Valentino Rossi.
Early Desmosedici had engine as frame. Once they get rid of this and put a conventional frame and the holeshot device, Ducati was finally able to use all that power.
why only focus on ducati drama while m4relli has made 4 competitive manufacturers, without the support of voices from 3 other manufacturers, it is impossible for duc4ti to make a "struggle" drama. the potential has started since this platform was tested in CRT / 0penclass, since 2012 ... duc4ti can put together any story, but szuki / 4prilia / ktm who just joined, they are competitive in almost the same time as duc4ti .... without excessive bull1shit drama .... what they need is the m4relli platform ....
"early Ducatis weren't that good" referring to 2003-2011..... horseshit! in superbike racing, ducati, at that time ,had won more races than every other manufacturer combined. And, in moto gp they were winning like crazy as well.- when and where you been?
....Ducati has started winning with average rider. Yes, Bagnaia is average rider. If they kept Lorenzo, they would win championship earlier. Also Dovi was average...bit todays Ducati is way better than "Dovi's Ducati". Only alien that is still among riders is Marc, but Pedro is knocking on those doors.
If bagnaia and dovizioso are average how do u explain that dovizioso beat marquez several times and bagnaia is miles better than him now and will be better than him next year. Rn to win you need to be able to stay closer to the limit than ever before, and the only two riders that are able to do so consistently are bagnaia and martin
Acosta won't stay with KTM , I predict he'll get tired of chasing the Dukes and get the factory ride after his contract is over and when MM93 retires or moves on .
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You forgot to mention that Ducati was bought by Audi in 2012 and Audi poured alot of money in this company.
Access to unlimited resources, which they leveraged very well. The Factory Japanese bikes are an afterthought. This is quite astonishing.
@@BastardX13you’re acting like Honda and Yamah don’t have unlimited recourses.
the jap brands are notably conservative compared to ducati - both in changes and spending
And Audi is under the umbrella of the VW Group.
@@BastardX13Honda famously spent their way to the top of any bad season for 30 odd years. Its not as if Ducati are doing anything unusual financially.
You said that Gigi listened to the riders.. when Lorenzo was at Ducati, he complained that they did not listen to his input and that he was struggling on the bike as a consequence. He complained that he didn't have enough support from the tank all season, and when they finally modified it for Mugello he won.
I agree with this. When Lorenzo was at Yamaha, his input basically made the Yamaha the easiest bike to ride on the grid. When he left for Ducati, Yamaha kind of lost their direction and became worst. And as you said, when Ducati finally made the changes that Lorenzo asked, he straightaway won multiple races. Now, Ducati is the easiest bike to ride on the grid. When Lorenzo went to Honda, I predicted it as a very bad move for Lorenzo as Honda already has Marquez as their golden boy, thus getting Lorenzo was just a tactical move to tie down Lorenzo. Honda openly stated that they will only listen to Marquez for input and ignoring Lorenzo was the proof that I was right. But karma hit Honda harder with Marquez's horrible crash which ultimately became the doom of Honda in MotoGP, as they lost the only rider that can ride their bike.
Accurately saying but Yamaha lost its mojo as soon as control ECU and Mitchielne tyre comes..2014,15 yamaha is only made on Rossi's input mostly and Lorenzo like 15 bikes more than 14...rossi and lorenzo basically has same input for development of bike...they ride same ways very smoothly...but Yamaha lost it when they introduce Mitchielne tyre...Yamaha is good and Musk's their rear grip issue bcz of very grippy Bridgestone tyre..@@budokpantai
@@md.shaonprinceshuvo5412 true. But there's an interesting event that made me think Lorenzo input is a bit bigger than Rossi if it comes to ECU tuning. I can't remember which race it was, but Yamaha had a pretty difficult weekend at that time, but in the warm up session, Lorenzo suddenly got better pace and he became faster in the race on sunday. Later it was revealed that Lorenzo simply asked for more engine breaking. They just plugged a laptop each time he went into the pit in that warm up session, but that worked wonders (for him at least). This is just my opinion though.
Lorenzo refused to test a new frame in Thailand test while Dovizioso not only test it, but used it to start the season. Lorenzo got this frame at Mugello...
Lorenzo always complains.
Ducati was left behind in the dust in ecu development. Honda and yamaha was lightyears away. Look no further than 2014 and 2015. until unified ecu era came in 2016.
Actually i dont want to highlight the obvious reason. But if not because the baby Alien marc marquez. They will absolutely win in 2017 onward.
Well. In 2019 mm win with 420pts, singlehandedly carry honda to win manufacturer title with 426.
2020 is turning point for sure. But real edge they have is aero. I remember when everyone just straight hate it cus it ruined the bikes aesthetic.
I do hate aero because now rider cant do their usual slip stream anymore. If you are in the back of another rider, tire temp will raise, grip will be less, and you use more tire to overtake. Creating boring race like in motegi last sunday. Applaus for dorna lmao.
With aero, overly grippy micheline tires, and powerful engine backed by good ecu. Ducati becomes the best bike on the grid. It has no weaknesses at all.
They didnt even need to risk like mm in 2019, leaned 65°+ in the corner to make up the apex. To carry more corner speed. Just ful gas like in the game. Thats why pecco struggled when the grip is low. Whereas rossi and marc excel at.
Kind of ironic that Ducati struggled with electronics when Ducati Energia produces electronic components.
The japanese also had electonics developed by leading computer companies…
Now that advantage is gone though since motogp moved to a spec ecu for all bikes
Fair play to Ducati. Funny how they had 8 bikes in 2017 and 2018 and nobody cared. Since 2022 they’ve had 8 bikes again and just because it’s the best bike suddenly they shouldn’t be allowed them 😂
Gigi also took advantage of the Open Class concessions for his factory bikes. They basically had a green light for development vs the Japanese. I still contend that Honda pretty much stopped developing the RC213V when Marc got there.
he made also Rs250 gp 2 stroke with aprilia in the past... he worked with Lorenzo when he was a kid ;)
It was mandatory in 2016, not 2017. The spec ECU came in alongside the Michelin tyres in 2016.
Never used to be? Casey Stoner would like a word.
Watch the whole video bro. He did say about Casey Stoner
Gigi is the Adrian Newey of two wheels. You are so on point why was Rossi failed in Ducati. It was the first time Rossi had to ride a Moto cross like MotoGP in tarmac.
He is more like Toto Wolff or Christian Horner, building the team and having it run in relative harmony. There is no motorcycle equivalent to Newey.
@@sburns2421 Toto and Horner are pure business men, but Gig is pure engineer.
Rossi was good at sliding. He had zero front end feeling on the Ducati which made it difficult to trust plus it was going through a massive development change with the aluminium chassis. Watch some old races and Rossi was very competant at riding sideways.
Great video! While some people might hate Ducati’s dominance, I think it’s worthy of celebration considering how much they struggled to get here.
The corner exit hole shot is just brilliant
The biggest change was not the ECU, not Gigi or anything else. The biggest change was the tyres. Ducati was always a bike that used rear tyres for performance. During the Bridgestone era, the rears were weak. They couldn't do much about this and the Japanese factories were all about the front tyre. Michelin shifted the front/ rear balance towards the rear. This is why they immediately won a race in 2016 and the bike was much better from the start. All other factors added to this. Ducati always had usable power. They always relied on the rear tyres as well to stop the bike. Until the Michelins came along, the rest of the ridrers didn't even bother with the rear brakes that much. That was mostly for stability rather than raw braking strength.
The fact that Dall'igna made two masterpieces bikes, the RSV4 first with what he dominated WSBK and killed Ducati, then go to MotoGP with them and kill the competition there plus making the Panigale, V2 and V4. This man is a genius
The Aprilia RSV4 NEVER dominated WSBK and NEVER killed Ducati in WSBK.
@DennisMerwood yes Aprilia did it mostly season 2010 and then 2012, 2014. Downgrade started when Ducati took Gigi from Aprilia
Just a note about desmodromic valves, they usually still have valve springs. It's just that with desmo systems, the valve springs are really only there to take up the lash in the system and hold the valve closed. So you can use a much smaller, weaker spring since you're not relying on that spring to control the valve throughout it's full range of travel. Now in theory, it could be possible to eliminate the spring completely, perhaps with some sort of oil pressure powered hydraulic system but a spring is just so much simpler and easier, I doubt anyone has done that though admittedly I've never seen inside a modern Ducati GP engine so maybe they are doing something like that.
On another note, Ducati is not the only one to use desmo valves. Mercedes had great success with it in F1 and street cars in the 50s. Norton tried it. There is even a single cylinder test head with desmo valves from Toyota's ultimately failed F1 attempt. I have also seen a Ferrari V12 head with desmo valves but seems to have never gone beyond the prototype/testing stage. I believe that was actually a joint effort between Ferrari and Ducati.
As for today, the combination of 4 valves per cylinder (meaning the valves are smaller and lighter, thus easier to control), pneumatic valve "springs" and better materials have made desmo valves, well not obsolete obviously as Ducati is still winning with them but not really practical for most companies in most applications.
Casey Stoner was a great rider.
Ducati went from rocketship to tractor to tractor to rocketship again 💀
@Absolute Dan - You have said so many time that you are not an engineer, however, you sure sound like one. Importantly, your voice and style of delivery is super clear. A big fan of your content.
has anyone mentioned that they got rid of the carbon chassis which used the engine as a stressed member?? thats pretty much the reason they started getting competitive. they started in MotoGP with the same steel trellis frame as the superbikes had back in the day, ( the superbikes now have an alloy frame and use the engine as a stressed member) then moved to the carbon chassis. only Casey stoner managed to (sort of) get the bike winning, it nearly killed doing so. the frame had no flex in it, cagiva tried it before years ago. rossi took over and him with Jerry burgess told ducatil they need to make the chassis like the Japanese, alloy delta frame.
Love your channel mate
Glad you enjoy it!
If you see how good they were with Carl fogherty in the superbike. (Youth idol, I was 5 till…..)
I believe it is so close as to be virtually impossible to pin down precisely why Ducati currently shines....we are talking tiny margins of superiorety and on some courses it wont even manifest at all....nope it is far too complex to nail the precise WHY...everything effects something else. I imagine some of it is simply just a lucky hapenstance getting the right people working together and maybe some good old fashion LUCK in engineering and personal choices working togeter just a teense better than the competition's! On the other hand we see Honda floundering despite the luxury of fairly bottomless recources like I say a SUPER difficult puzzle where practically any change can affect something else negatively or positively and really so difficult to ascertain except via trial and error of fallible humans that vary in sensitivity to what is better from day to day to day....I mean you are asking riders to difentively say if something is .001% better and even if they get it right? is it right for every temperature? or is it worse when warm and better when cool etc etc....And what feels better via seat of the pants to a test rider might feel like dog crap to your star rider!
excellent video
really excellent video
You can see a tremendous gain of grip performance after they switched from carbon semi-monocoque chassis to a much conventional twin-beam aluminum chassis where they can further refine and alter the lateral flex of the chassis to get those extra cornering grip and no longer use engine as part of the stress member.
Epic epic epic... Dude. Wonderfully done
Awesome information. I expect 1 on Aprilia as well.
a video about yamaha switching from flatplane to crossplane in wsbk??🙏🙏🙏🙏
That is why Casey Stoner is a fvcking legend. The only dude to ever win the GP with Ducati before this domination
They were dominant the year he won.
The following year the bike wasn't much different but the others caught up
Loris CapiRossi and Alex Barros had some pretty good results and Troy Bayliss won a GP on a one off ride. Stoner rode it the best but he was not the only one to get impressive results on it.
capirossi won 7 gp with ducati. Bayliss won once while racing a wild card.
In 2006 they already had the best bike (and best tyres...) but barcelona crash happened.
@@ClassicTrialsChannel The tyre war played a big part in that as well.
Exactly, let's take the opinion of someone who is qualified, the late Nicky Hayden , who said when he got on the Ducati '"Whatever Ducati are paying Casey, its not enough "
Thank you, boy they sure fixed it.....
very professional video nicely done!
You missed the biggest game changer of them all for Ducati. The mass damper courtesy of hiring robin tuluie. He helped the renault F1 team with the same technology in 2005/2006.
Hardly a game changer my friend. Are you a Yank?
It surprises me that there isn't a movie about Casey Stoner
main reason is mandatory ecu is magneti marali from italy a brand ducati already used. imo thats not racing
First Desmo GP6 Ducati used pipe frame than GP 10 used carbonframe than since Rossi and burgess moved from Honda and yamaha to Ducati, Ducati chaged to Alumunium frame until now.than dovizioso moved To Ducati from Honda.
Im personally starting to think your videos are to short. A little to simplified. We went from 2007 to the present in literally no time. To many things were left out here in what is a really interesting story.
Good feedback thanks Bram! I'll be looking to do some more videos that are longer 100% - Just need to make sure I make it interesting hah
Cus Rossi was arrogant and thought he was just gonna walk it 😂
Casey had the tires when no one else did.
I do believe that Ducati has brought many innovative developments to MotoGp, but not all have benefitted from the developments and especially not the fans! But there also seemed to be a few of choices that were put in place by Dorna to benefit Ducati as the World SBK did in the 90's under the leadership of the Famini group. But nonetheless there success in MotoGp is absolutely deserved!
Yes. They came from SBK, where they had had quite some success, to MotoGP where they did not. Um, yeah. Because in MotoGP they had to run to the same rules as everyone else. No more "you can have a larger engine because your basic design isn't as good". When are the Japanese teams going to be allowed to run 1,000cc in-line4 engines in MotoGP?
@@gomezgomezian3236 You don't understand the engineering concept of BMEP, Gomez my friend.
And BTW Honda eventually made a V-twin of 1,000cc.
And was no more powerful that the Ducati V-win.
In fact, the Ducati won more races than the Honda when they ran against each other.
Just one unfortunate fall-off by Bayliss allowed the points to swing the points to Edwards to become the champ.
Twice the data per lap compared to every other team. And all the other teams great riders who developed the bikes retired. Aside from dani pedrosa but even still the ktm he is helping build has only just got a rider good enough to keep up with ducati now.
Literally explode ? If I've told you once I've told you 5 million times , dont exaggerate
Wings mae absolute minimal difference pulling out of slow turns.
make a video on the r9
cool video but honeslty it could have been 4 minutes long
How many hours did you dedicate to this video
Filippo Preziosi and Casey stoner were genius and they had produced results when Ducati management had not invetsed enough into their racing team (poorly funded racing corp). And with Casey chronic fatigue health issues and poor treatment of Filippo and riders for its results... It was Ducati corse who needed to learn from its act not their central figures hall of famers moto gp legend for its success or failure.
More bikes on the grid ….more data you get …simple
Ducati came back to racing in the 70s with the 900ss then the 80s with the 750f1 in formula tt
I liked the video! In my opinion, you didn't mention something significant. Since the beginning in MotoGP, the Ducati project was based on the engine as a stressed part of the chassis. It means that without the engine the bike couldn't stand by herself. I don't remember exactly but probably around 2009 the MotoGP rules have been changed and started limiting the number of engines that every rider could use for the whole season. Also, the engine couldn't be upgraded during the season, they had to stay untouched. Because the engine was part of the chassis, for Ducati this rule ended limiting the development of the chassis too during the season. The first Ducati in MotoGP with a "normal" chassis was strongly requested and driven by Valentino Rossi.
Have you ever worked on a desmodromic engine? Or just the head?
You think Honda can make this type of comeback?
Its not the bike, its the ppl running the company, their culture and everything else.😆😆
They did Dovi dirty.
Actually, it was Iannone who got screwed.
Early Desmosedici had engine as frame. Once they get rid of this and put a conventional frame and the holeshot device, Ducati was finally able to use all that power.
Audi bought Ducati in 2012 is what happened.
Nonsense. That had nothing to do with it.
They use too. Not now B M W
Ducati did NOT invent Desmodromic valve.
Correct. That's why I made sure to say invested in rather than invented, but good spot!
@@absolutedan9173 Enjoyed the contents for your analysis and how they're presented. Cheers!
He never said they did.
Interestingly, the patents for desmo valves goes all the way back to 1896
@wingracer1614 He said innovated
@@donachille3351 Yes he did. Innovation is not invention.
Because Suzuki pulled out!
What a clueless clown. Suzuki are an embarrassment in MotoGP
why only focus on ducati drama while m4relli has made 4 competitive manufacturers, without the support of voices from 3 other manufacturers, it is impossible for duc4ti to make a "struggle" drama. the potential has started since this platform was tested in CRT / 0penclass, since 2012 ...
duc4ti can put together any story, but szuki / 4prilia / ktm who just joined, they are competitive in almost the same time as duc4ti .... without excessive bull1shit drama .... what they need is the m4relli platform ....
Wanna try that again Rzaultra? In English this time!
Bro rossi was dirt riding to, so stoner wasnt faster because of that
24th???
Rider aids and $$$.. not reliability
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Better riders perhaps?
Manufacturers taking turns
I think BMW will have something to say in the next few seasons… money wise they can go toe to toe with VW Group where none of the other OEMS can
Money does not win races. Toyota outspent every F1 team by millions and flopped!
@ and yet Ducati hadn’t won MotoGP for 20 years until VW bought them and they had far more money you need both technical prowess and cash these days.
Ur englishmate?
To me it seems you failed answer the title of your video.
"early Ducatis weren't that good" referring to 2003-2011..... horseshit! in superbike racing, ducati, at that time ,had won more races than every other manufacturer combined. And, in moto gp they were winning like crazy as well.- when and where you been?
bring back throttle cable.... no more electronics!
250+ horsepower without electronics.
LMAO you quite a funny guy.
just old same facts content
It is because they have most money to pay for dorna or fim to win races or championships 👍
Bovine excrement. Ducati has 2,200 employees TOTAL. Honda has 220,000+
They bribed dorna an Fim thts how it aint tht bullsh...t V4r. How all of a sudden all inline4 engines are slow not buyin it.
You haven't had a good understanding of Ducati. Much of your info was around for years. And telling people about your info is old news. 😢
Here before 1k views
When you jave like 46 motorcycles on the grid how can you not do well
Because they found how to cheat without being caugh like Ferrari with the injection system some years ago?
Honda will be back soon, also expecting Yamaha to come back to life too.
Du-caaaah-Ti. Say it correctly.
his pronunciation of ducati is pretty good
@@andreapaladini7279 No it's very bad.
@@underbear9683 im italian, i probably know how to say it
Gotta love how the english say Ducati :D
AUDI money.... there saved you time
Monet does not win races. Toyota outspent every F1 team, and flopped!
....Ducati has started winning with average rider. Yes, Bagnaia is average rider. If they kept Lorenzo, they would win championship earlier. Also Dovi was average...bit todays Ducati is way better than "Dovi's Ducati". Only alien that is still among riders is Marc, but Pedro is knocking on those doors.
Calling Bagnaia average was crazy. Marc is god level yes but calling a 2 time champion average is an insult.
If bagnaia and dovizioso are average how do u explain that dovizioso beat marquez several times and bagnaia is miles better than him now and will be better than him next year. Rn to win you need to be able to stay closer to the limit than ever before, and the only two riders that are able to do so consistently are bagnaia and martin
Acosta won't stay with KTM , I predict he'll get tired of chasing the Dukes and get the factory ride after his contract is over and when MM93 retires or moves on .
Better next year yeah let's see 🤣
Yeah that's why martin with 0 world championships and 3 wins this season 🤣
bro, why you so dusty?