Excuse me, I'm a 48 year old lawyer (not a 43 year old insurance salesmen) who takes club racing way too seriously. I'll keep tricking out and overhauling my 2016 R1 and probably upgrade to either a V4 or M1000RR when the time comes. I'm a fairly seasoned and skilled track rider, but still a world away from tapping, let alone exceeding the potential of my 8 year old bike. I'll never get an R9 or anything less powerful than the last bike I owned. Lower laptimes are my life's purpose. Everything else is just a means to ride or a distraction until I can ride again.
Why is this so hard for the R1 fanboys to understand? 4 cylinder motorcycles are not going to be emission compliant in the future... they are going away whether you like it or not... be happy the R9 isn't electric.
One manufacturer responding to one region doesn't spell doom for the whole industry, and they will still make track-only models. We don't need them to pass emissions. And as for the electric bikes, when they start performing better than gas powered engines, I'll be happy to switch over.
It depends on the brand. Suzuki may get a lot of flack for not reinventing their line year after year, but you can buy 80% of their lineup for $12,000 or less and most for about $9k. Too bad the Europeans can’t or won’t do this. As long as Suzuki and Kawasaki keep things reasonable, I’m good but I totally agree with the point. Most European bikes are way out of range of the majority of riders and that’s a problem for riders and, probably soon, them too.
@TheSteveSteele A gsrx 600 is $12,000, and a gsxr 1000 is $16,000. The new R1 is close to $20,000; those should be car prices. Bikes used to be affordable go fast. Now, if you can afford a bike and a car, you are spending close $40,000-$60,000 - just buy a sports car.
No sh*t, I bought one of the very first R6's (1999 model) for $5999+TTT back then in Jacksonville, Fl. When it was first released and had put a deposit on it about 6 months before it was even released as it was the most Hyped up new Super Sport to be released and if memory serves me Right I paid around $6200 out the door and that was no Sale price being I got one of the first in the city and they literally had a waiting list when they were first released hence why I had to put a deposit on it like 6 months earlier to get 1 of the First ones and at the time the dealer was only allocated 3 bikes in the very first shipment and they were all spoken for and they had none in the show room yet... But my point is that they have almost doubled in price since then..
I'm about to turn 73 yrs young! I'm an avid mountain biker so I'm in excellent health and fitness. I also own a highly modified 2009 R1 and am blessed to live where there are roads to enjoy such a bike. Granted, I don't do track days anymore and have become a way smarter rider on the street but still like to wind it up to 140+ on my favorite straightaway to get the juices flowing! I have plenty of mountain twisties along with fast flowing roads with good line of sight. Bottom line is, I love riding my R1 because it reliable, paid for, has great performance, looks good, and sounds awesome too! Thank the good Lord I can still handle this beast!!! Like I tell many of my non rider friends... "It's so much fun to ride it should be illegal". So, my advice is to be healthy and fit and keep enjoying your 1000cc sportbikes and ride smart so you can ride tomorrow! (How many people do you know that are my age and still ride 1000cc crotch rockets?)
I have a 2010 R1 LE. I always wondered when will the day come where I decide to stop riding. Seeing this post just made my decision, I’m never stopping 😂 I’m 36.
Just awesome!! I'm pushing 65 and ride 450cc enduros, but no stinking way I'm getting on a 200hp crotch rocket. Nope, I know my limitations, and a .3+ second reaction time means I'm just gonna be D - E - D dead on what you're riding. Props to you!!
Glad to hear there’s others out there who won’t part with there sports bike even though there in their seventies I’m 72 and my latest super bike is a bmw s1000 RR decatted 200bhp and I absolutely love it and don’t hang around on it I still love the buzz of riding it and will continue to due so until I can’t 😂
I just raced a 2024 R1 in Utah this year. Spent as much on go-fast parts as the bike itself. Took off all the street for race parts to make it run and breathe properly. At my local club-racer level (and am 51 years old) I really enjoy the bike for racing and track days immensely. I do have disposable income to spend on my passion however, would not recommend any 1000 CC bike for the street. Its more fun to ride a slow bike fast than it is to try to ride a fast bike fast. Do what makes you happy!
Yamaha also said the R9 doesnt replace the R6, they know the legend of the r6 isnt something they can just 'recreate' That said though, same HP with alot more torque, and only 12.5k$. Closest replacement we'll get
I work for a dealer who sells Yamaha. The R9 took the place officially of the R6 with the same 118hp. The R7 didn’t take the R6 place. R7 has a whole 72hp.
In the 5 years I was in bike sales, I figure at least 90% of the R1's I sold were to police. (I guess it's the perfect bike when you're immune to tickets.)
I’m a 59 year old retired guy and I’m an R1 lover. I had a 98 R1 and a 2004 R1. Both were amazing bikes and I wish I had never sold them. My current sport bike is an S1000RR and I love it as well. But the soft spot remains for a R1 and the R1M maybe in my garage someday.
@ My RR is a 2022. The bike had its by first service at 600 miles and one recall, both done at the dealership. I performed the end-of-year oil change but the odometer is below 6000 miles so the second service has yet to be performed. My R1s never saw a dealership after I bought them. I did my own oil changes but they did not have the electronics to nag you for maintenance. I have never put many miles on any of my bikes so I’m not the best person to compare long term reliability of the two generations of bikes.
Try subscribing to the official MotoGp channel if you're not already. Crash also does a regular podcast which comes to mind immediately and there are a number of channels that cover MotoGP. Cheers.
@@ApexRadius The problem is that Dorna exerts too much control over MotoGp and WSBK. I'm not going to pay that much for access to their channels, and they're not going to give me access unless I pay, and that's the way the cookie crumbles. I can live without it.
How tf do they think locking most people OUT is going to drive up revenue? Everybody used to know every f1 drivers and subsequently all the brands the associate with. That doesnt happen anymore Nobody cares anymore because you have to pay to watch
@@peterwilson8039 @peterwilson8039 I was referring to the free official MotoGP YT channel and third party analysis on YT channels like the aforementioned Crash YT channel. But as a longtime all-access MGP app subscriber, yes, it has gotten quite expensive over the years.
@@peterwilson8039I was referring to the free official MotoGP YT channel and third party analysis on YT channels like the aforementioned Crash YT channel. But as a longtime all-access MGP app subscriber, yes, it has gotten quite expensive over the years.
Year round rider in Michigan. Get some heated gear, drive the truck for the 20% of the days when the roads are icy, enjoy 2 wheels the rest of the time.
If they want MotoGP to be more like the street. They need to add some 4 way intersections with cars, 90% turns, teenagers driving and texting on the track, and a random cop asking “Do you know that guy? Tell them to come back here”. Id honestly watch MotoGP more lol
HTF does anyone who knows anything about performance, get excited for a 3 cylinder supersport bike? They do not have an advantage over an I4 where top end and high rev horsepower are concerned, and that's what supersport bikes do.
@@VBMichael_D Because I'm going to ride it on the street. I like the torque lower in the rev range, and as cool as having 200hp is, I'd rather have 120-ish on the street.
@@MrAckers75 100% understandable. Being the owner of a SINGLE CYLINDER 2007 DRZ400SM myself, I have zero opposition to those engines themselves. But again, SUPERSPORT bikes are designed to do exactly that, go fast with high rev engines. By your logic, Lambo/Ferrari should remove the buttery smooth V12s and replace them with say, a non super high revving engine like Nissan's KA24DE? An engine that was originally designed to go in their hardbody pickup trucks, that while will run for on average 200000 miles, it doesn't rev very high.
When I started riding you started on a 600, or 636 unless you had an ego that led you to the liter machines. Next you got a literbike or Busa , ZX12 or 14. Ducatis were kinda niche and didn’t hold up to the performance of the Japanese bikes back in the early 00’s . If you wanted a naked bike you pulled the plastics, put a round headlight and dirt bike handlebar on your SS or SBK and that was a street fighter . So much more options now . I didn’t mind the way it was though .
Yamaha never said they were cancelling the R1. They said they were not supplying it to Europe. The R1M was going to be supplied to Europe. Australia, Asia and America was always getting the R1.
Salesman at I bike dealer in Canada here: The only reason the R1 isn’t selling well is because Yamaha won’t produce enough of them. We are the biggest dealer in my city, and Yamaha is only sending us 4 In total for 2025. And we’ve already sold them ALL. Not sure what their strategy is here, but anyone that says they don’t sell well is full of it. They sell like wildfire
WhenI was studying in Paris, I rode a Ducati 851 super sport. We would ride the twisties in Dampierre (Paris outer suburbs). I stopped riding after my student years but got back on a bike at age 59. I ride a 2004 Honda CBF 600 just to get back into the saddle. I will definitely graduate to something with more zest. I live in the South of France next to the Pyrenees. It is just paradise for mountain twisties. Cross over to Spain and you have fast curves, no traffic and very few speed cameras and police.
*If* you can afford it, there is nothing like a 1000cc bike on track. I am lucky enough to live 45 Minutes away from the Dutch TT at Assen. I own a 450cc two zylinder with lousy 27 horsepower for leasure rides in the country side, but on track, I don't want 3 cylinders, I don't want "tame" or "manageble" I want my 4 zylinder 1000cc Superstock watering my eyes, when exiting a corner. For all I care they can just stop making them road legal. I haven't riden my liter bikes on the road in years. And btw, you can take club racing way to seriously at a much younger age :D
i am a yamaha, suzuki, and kawasaki dealer. your statement about people not buying superbikes is FALSE. i cant get enough! we sell every liter bike we can get. bmw sells out of every s1000rr they make and so does every japanese company. this is false news
I’m 48 and I own a 2004 CBR1000RR that I bought new. I have around 67,000 miles on it. Never had the valves adjusted. I’ll get that done this winter for the first time. Love the bike. Japanese 1000cc will always be where the superbike started. No other brands can match their reliability in the real world. I never did a track day with it but it has seen a lot of canyon twisties. I’ll probably die owning that bike. I would love to get a new CBR1000 but the prices just got out of control. I now go moto camping with my 04 CBR1000RR. Yep, you heard right. Camping. I had a bracket fabricated to install a Givi hard top box where the passenger seat is and it works great. I’m the fastest one to the campground. 😂 Awesome machines. You can race with them or go camping. I’m a 1000cc sportbike lifer..!! I certainly hope that manufacturers are keeping an eye on these comments. It would appear the demand is not dead. Motorcycles have always been about performance and handling, we don’t need to tame them down too much. Let the horsepower flow please. 🙏🏼
LOL.. Me too, except I'm 43 and bought a 2006 cbr1000rr brand new, now has 48k miles, mostly cuz I ride a 2010 street glide nearly all the time.. The cbr is relegated to riding around the loop about 6-8times a year, and a couple high speed highway floggings for shits and giggles.. My 06cbr was $9599 on the showroom.. won't ever see that again..
One reason why sales decline for these types of bikes is increased insurance coverage prices it’s absurd how expensive it is for me to insure a bike ok yes I’m young so that’s obviously a factor as to why it’s more expensive but even at that I’m pay £250 pounds a month roughly 326 dollars 300 euros for a ktm duke 125 so that’s nearly 2500 a year for a bike that only cost me 3k
Papa Yam Another great video I guess people don’t realize how much post production work goes into one of these videos, but kudos. Glad the weather is holding out because after I watch your video I’m gonna go out riding on my 2024 MT-09SP rock ‘n’ roll baby.
I used to own a '13 R6 and it was my first crotch rocket. The thing was absolutely a blast to ride. But once I hopped on a Super Duke, It was over for me and the sub 1000cc category. I now have an '85 Honda V65 Manga a '96 Triumph Daytona 1200 an '01 TL1000RY That's built to the hilt, a heavily modified '20 Super Duke, and a '21 Ducati Diavel 1260 S. I often debate buying a smaller bike to get a little nuts on again but it's hard to step away from the absolute torque insanity that I am used to.
They are not because the stroke of a parallel twin causes the crank to be unstable or unbalanced, thus needing different engineering at the crankshaft to solve this. Where v twins or v4s do not... also inline 4s ironically do not have this problem. This is why parallel twins rev out completely differently than their counterpart inline 4s and v4s.
"Arguably the best 600 ever to have existed" my 04 zx6r 636 is that "Arguably" 40k miles , owned from new , never let me down 💚 even once thrashed the hell out of it , oh & i own an R1 08 & my zx6r is still the goat 🐐
Oh dear, how sad, never mind. suck it up. try riding with your full kit in an OZZY summer. i feel most sorry for those who live in climates where you don't get warm weather, ever.
@@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony ps when I bought new r1 in 2009 in the spring I was riding in Prague and had her boiled off because of long red lights and hot weather. I immediately forgot about the warranty, had cat removed, straight pipe with an end can installed and it solved all summer overheating issues. Cats are evil on bikes.
@@Idroppedmygrilledcheesefug I live in Texas and ride year round which is one Texas highlight, riding around in January, can't do that in NY, Cleveland or GA. I don't ride my bikes in summer rush hours not only because it's too hot and dumb, but Dallas Ft worth area drivers will try and kill you lols. However, I ride year round not in traffic, superbikes aren't meant for traffic in any state.
I (still) have a Suzuki TL 1000S, and with its 127HP is still quite a beast. I tried an R1 from 2004: 140km/h in 1st gear. And it had around 150HP if I recon right. Now, WHAT are you going to do with a 200+HP bike? Where do you go, on street, with those? They cost a lot and are usefull ONLY if you have great experience and a race track near home, because that's the only place they belongs to. They went waaay to far.
No one wants to buy a Japanese bike for 28K. THIS is why the bikes do not change. These are toy bikes, used on occasion, a second bike. It’s over. Welcome to our new crap economy.
Yep and the people in europe, latin america and asia who use bikes as their primary vehicle probably can't afford a 28k or even an 18k bike to begin with.
Im 51 and currently my bike of choice is the ZX10R Ive been fortunate enough to own R1s GSXRs and ZX10s but Ive ridden them all and love them all, lucky for me which ever manufacturer produces the last, best 1000 inline 4 will see me out, but I have to say I really feel for those that feel the way I do about riding these amazing bikes that wont have the opportunity to see the and own the incredible advancements that have continued via access to these machines in the future Damn happy Im an Australian too 🤣😆
The difference this ground is Yamaha has no flagship bike to sell to the EU having discontinued the R1. V4’s clearly can be made to meet regulations, Yamaha will want to fill the gap. Hence v4 flagship. Just my hypothesis.
The most interesting move in the WSBK scene is the Kawasaki ZX10RR getting replaced by a Bimota based around the ZX10RR engine. And the upcoming Ducati Panigale V4R with the new conventional swing arm. The supersport category is the most interesting one. The KTM 990 RC-R, Yamaha R9, CF Moto 800rr going against the established Panigale V2 & MV 800RR.
Yeah, I find the new age supersort classes really interesting these days. I'm not entirely sure why some people want to see only essentially 20-year-old 600 I-4s race each other.
@@ApexRadius Happy to see that the ZX6R & CBR600RR Are still in the mix, but yeah, it's been a bit stale for a long time. Since it's inception, supersports has always been the 600 i4s plus the junior Ducati V2
Literally pick any of them as they are all bad ass. I started riding at 3 and began my sport bike journey on 98 GSXR 750 when I was 18 then went 2010 CBR1000rr and now I’ve moved on to Aprilia RSV4 1100 and Yammy R1M. I found that I am addicted to that V4. You literally cannot go wrong. In between the Aprilia to the Yamaha is a number of top quality picks that will have you grinning at your choice. I am 53 now and find every chance to twist out some fun ripping around SoCal.
Except Honda did produce (and sell in the US) the rc213v-s road bike from 2015 to 2018. Very rare and very pricey to own and run. Just ask IOM-TT vet Michael Rutter who raced one on the island for many years.
AND it will do nothing if Yamaha doesn't address top end power. Corner speed and keeping the nose down under acceleration was never it's weakness compared to Ducati and BMW
I'm a 50yo who's owned R1's and other big sports bikes all my adult life, and I agree. I think we've entered an era where the Japanese corporations are far more budget conscious than they once were. Ever stricter emissions regs has played a part in this. The "everyman" sports bikes that they all produce are cheaper to make and cheaper for the consumer to buy. No brainer, really. But, I do hope they will still continue to produce affordable flagships. Any auto manufacturer can produce a super car if they want to, but few people can afford to own them.
@@davew8841 brother, 46 yo here, maybe makes sense to grab a fresh zx10 and preserve it, it’s still made as it should be without planned obsolescence in mind. Maybe because Kawa produces less bikes than other big three but is actually a huge corporation that builds navy ships and tankers, loads of money, bikes are toy project for them.
Budget consciousness should go right TF out the window when we are talking about flagship performance vehicles. A prime example is why TF did Nissan put an intrinsically IMBALANCED V6 engine in their 'flagship performance car'? "Let's build the VH45DE V8?" CEO: nN0pE! "Let's retool the RB and put a proper INLINE 6 in there?" CEO: N3g@t1Ve. dURp! CEO: "wE WuNT tHUh WurST EnJ3n tYPe 4 pUrf0rmUNz"
Holy crap! Someone wrote this script who has a pretty deep knowledge of motorcycle racing! Was that you Yam? Pretty good fer a guy with an ADV bike in the garage!
You hit the nail on the head, definitely that Suzuki kind of updates, with the major success of the T7 and upcoming R9 there are getting very complacent
There’s a lot of reasons why not to like Yamaha. Zx10 has the most tech even cruise control. Kawasaki stays dominating. Honda coming in second for innovation.
@@JaguarPriest sounds like just a "you" thing, alot of motovloggers literally ditching japanese bikes for german and italian and btw kawasaki have a recall on their 2020-2021 zx10r about 1,500 units. Hate it or like it bmw is the face of inline 4 right now and also winning against V4 ducati. BMW beat the ducati so hard that ducati was forced to use double-sided swingarm for 2025 lol.
@ it’s actually not the face of inline 4 and it’s not preferred and it’s not a me thing. You can literally search “bmws1000rr reliability”, also the most popular motorcycle RUclipsr bought one and said it was the worst bike he’s ever had and then sold it due to issues.
this was basically what honda's been doing with the cbr600rr. They released the new bike in europe and japan but the us has been getting the same old bike since 2013
The r7 and r9 are great stepping stones for sport bike riders to get into the sport. However, we could see yamaha do what honda did and have some v4 configurations in different models. The r7 amd r9 are great street sport bikes. I do wish we had something cazy fast for the streets and track and not just a old r6 model.
Most most people can barely deal with an R7 on track. And the ones who are skilled enough, which is far less than those who perceive themselves that way, will never justify a company keeping a specific model alive for just a few. It's not reasonable to expect otherwise.
I think people are wrongly assuming the R9 is one of the new friendly-mild-middleweight sporty bike segment. It has the potential to be faster than the R6 everywhere except maybe long straights. Top speed is not what wins races. Getting through corners--and getting out of them early on the gas with more power down is primarily what wins races. Let's wait to see what the R9 is really like when people actually get to ride it. We don't even know what the actual stock power figures are yet. But some people have already done some quick math with the MT-09 power figures and the new final drive gearing and it seems to indicate that the R9 will be at least as fast as the R6 in a straight line and possibly faster. It should accelerate faster. And, objectively, it should be a much better road bike than an R6. We'll see.
@@ApexRadius yeah exactly. This will give people the ability to have R6 speeds with much wider torque ranges when coming out of straights, which is useful both on road and on track. I don't think the main anger is oriented towards this replacing the R6 but the R1 not being a thing anymore though.
@@lucascarracedo7421 For sure but, IMO, there's a couple of misguided speculations around the R9 specifically. One is that it's a replacement for the R1. It's really not. It's just that the R1 won't be available as a road bike in many markets. Yamaha is essentially surrendering that market to other manufacturers. That's pretty telling. They don't sell enough to make it worthwhile to keep developing the current bike. Superbikes are only really viable as high-priced halo bikes and for racing homologation these days. Another is that the R9 isn't essentially a replacement for the R6. It's quite different than an R6 but it fills the same space in the market and is almost certainly a more flexible and useable bike in more situations than the R6.
@@ApexRadius yeah exactly. I agree with everything. This being close to a 1000cc bike gets people confused and they don't know what to make of it. Also, as you stated, everyone's talking and nobody had the chance to ride one. So there's that.
Street bikes in the pattern of the 1390 SuperDuke R are the way. I've had 3 R1s and a couple of MT10s, among dozens of other bikes. They were terrific, but the SDR topped them easily in desirability for street riding.
@@leanit5756 I absolutely love my 1290. After racing R1, ZX10 and such. Superbike is totally pointless on streets, being a track weapon. Bike like SDR is probably 70% street 30% track, due to comfortable higher seating, mostly. Engine wise it’s godly on track. Usable from bottom to top. In race starts, corner exits totally eats 1000 alive. On long straights yes they catch up by the end but if you brave on brakes, and they are amazing on SDR, they shall not pass )
I made the move to a super naked 5 years ago and I love it and will not go back. I'm seriously thinking about moving to the hyper-naked SDR....I've talked with several people with SD's and several have mentioned being in the shop too much for my liking so that's got me a little hesitant.....how is yours holding up?
@@razorbak6783 Well I had the 1290 and sold it. It had no faults while I owned it, although a few things chapped my ass. The first was that on deceleration there was a weird throttle blip thing it did. around 4,000 RPM. The 1390 I own now does not do that. Both the 1290 and the 1390 would be improved if the switch clusters were moved inboard by at least a 1/4". On both bikes I frequently accidentally / unknowingly activate the high beams, +/- switches, and C1/C2 switch, especially when riding really aggressively. That aside, the 1390 has been flawless so far too, and the adjustable wheelie control is the slickest thing. Put her in 3rd, get to about 7,000 RPM and roll the throttle quickly and you get the best power wheelies ever. Bike is quite spacious and comfortable. Gets good gas mileage for what it is, and has terrific ergonomics (other than the switch pods thing).
@@chrisbenko6616 Compared to a R1 on the street, the 1390s brakes are better, it is way more comfortable, and the suspension is better and easier to adjust (electronic). The dash is WAY better and the cruise control is of course quite convenient. I have not rode my 1390 on track yet, but did plenty with my two R1s and my R1M. I considered them pretty magical there other than their front brakes.
Id just buy a wrecked R7 for track days because the 2 cylinder is so easy to ride and now ive ridden a turbo r7 (Setup for tracks, not drag) and seen how reliable it is AND beating stock 1k sports bike is the quarter, yet still being easy to ride with low down torque too 6k rpm then the rest of the rev range is in boost and feels like an inline 4 sports bike braking traction or wanting to lift the front MT-09 for street and/or stunt riding, Again easy and fun power band to ride and geared right so its good to cruise at 60mph/100kms but still good for twisty roads and stunts
I like the homologation race series, currently have a WSBK subscription not MotoGP. The only street bikes I ever bought are sport bikes. I don’t see a replacement for the liter bikes. The frame geometry on these new gen crossover bikes is too short and compact. I prefer the long and low stretched out cockpit of traditional sport bikes. To me the new are glorified naked bikes meant to look sporty while not being conducive for a full size person to tuck in behind the fairing.
All of them can be ditched in a garage every week. No thanks. New R1 will be out in 2027 as yamaha engineers already confirmed that it's in development
I'm 47, not 43 and i got no use for club racing but i do love my liter bikes. Not really a R1 type but my CBR 1000's are still my favorite 2 wheeled ride that isn't a Busa.
I live in Europe. The EU hates it when we have fun I think. The EU was great for trading and commerce, but they now decide how every country should live in Brussels.
@@rustysutton in shocking turn of events, the EU, founded by the same people who founded Eurocommunism after Classic Communism got a bad rep in the 50s and 60s, turns out to be similar to a communist nation
The r1 is the only way to get a crossplane inline 4. It's impossible to get long in the tooth when it's the only option IMO. I will probably get this next season.
I'm loving these daily vids. I'd love to see one about basic maintenance for new riders... When I bought my Honda CB500F from my local yamaha honda dealership I knew I was getting scammed and knew I wasn't going to be coming back for their in house first maintenance (though I do wonder if it would have been worth the $500 charge for a "free first maintenance"). I didn't have a bike cover or drop kit, didn't protect my helmet from scratches. Had no idea when to change my oil or brake fluid, when to check my tire air pressure... No idea the difference between cleaning and waxing my chain (you'd think to just google it but yknow- slipped my mind I guess). Basically, I was an idiot. After having to replace my warped handlebars -$150, and have my front brake taken apart and cleaned- I started wondering, "Why isn't there a video out there talking about how to take care of your bike when you're not on it.?" I think it could be a great topic for your channel. Cheers!
Vessi sneakers designed in Vancouver made in Taiwan. Yam is ok with this. CFMoto designed in Austria by Kiska Design and made in China. Yam is not ok with this. Before Yam throws a fit about the QJMotors Super 9 with a price tag at 10,000USD being another Chinese ripoff of MV Agusta's Superveloce 1000 Series Oro. The Super 9 is a collaboration between MV Agusta and QJMotors. Just giving all the Yam peeps a heads up with all the facts before he unleashes the Chinese Motorcycle Tantrum again.
@@MickH60 seeing as CFMoto hasn't had the same issues with their 800 that KTM is having with the 790/890 line, they definitely did something. Hell, it might be what KTM finally implemented on their 2024 motors as they have a new head design.
Honda never sold a 1000cc V4, street-legal Superbike? I may be missing something, but when I rode a VF1000R, all through the night, at Willow Springs (Motorcyclist Magazine, 1983 24-hour test), it seemed pretty V4, raceable, and 1000cc to me. GP bikes, were, of course 500cc 2-strokes at the time, but that's not the fault of Honda at the time.
2015 R1 rider here! Not an insurance salesman, not going 180 in a straight line. Neither 19 or 43. I just ride it to work without exceeding the speed limit.
In my country ( Belgium ) it cost roughly 2500€ ( 2 625$ ) + 175€ ( 183$ ) Eco-malus to put a new R1 on the road and ~1300€ ( 1 365$ ) each year, all that without insurance ... I can see why the demand is so low and Yamaha took this route for Europe ...
Y not build the r1 cp4 the same way and just add more air intake and fuel rail then limit it in the ecu so u can have a monster in the tracks and we can just spend the $250 to have it opened up?
New Bike!?! Lmao 🤣 "Let's stick some Winglets on last year's model and call it a day"!!! Good job guys😂 My 04 R1 would eat that bike like a snack! 💯🔥🔥🔥
As someone who's both into motorbikes (and sports cars) and also PCs, this sounds exactly like PC hardware trends. "Hey, we came up with this new CPU cooler!" - "Cool! Looks pretty much like the old one, what's new?" - "We added AI-based RGB to it" - "Didn't it already have RGB before?" - "Well, yes, but now you can use our updated software for AI-based customization of the RGB effects" - "...."
this bike is just a road bike, theye making them for affordability, not many are buying litre bikes with the 30 gs aud price tag, just look at racing grids for club racing everyones on older models, back in day litre bikes was under 20. a 600 will beat this mto9 sport bike.
Not a insurance salesman. I’m an aircraft engineer, I’m 49 and take club racing seriously because I’m obsessed with doing track days on my R1M. Your information is wrong about the general demographic on the R1. I barely see 19 year old kids on R1’s. And by barely, it’s probably more like never. They are mostly on R3, and R7. Or Honda 650 or something similar. And this is what I’m visually seeing each and ever time I ride. We are not in the early 2000’s anymore.
Totally agree with you. Don't know where these guys get their info from but i mainly see R1's owned by mature riders or mainly in the race track during track days.
I was riding new ZX10rs back then as a 19-20 year old. People thought I sold 'stuff' and couldn't fathom that I just skipped uni and went straight into full time IT.
As someone who just recently found out about how awesome Yamaha is (06 R1) I'm pretty stoked for the new R1, finally going cross plane and all that jazz. Lol The R9 well I'd have to ride one to have an opinion. I heard the 7 left a lot to be desired sooo makes me think the same for the 9.
I really don't understand why they change the rules for 2027 in MotoGP to make the engines smaller. It's true that there have been more serious accidents in the past couple of years than before, but it didn't happen on the straights. It happened in the corners and I can't help but think the higher cornering speeds due to the new trend towards more aero in recent years is part of the reason why. So I don't think making the engines smaller will do much, if anything, to make the sport safer.
Honestly, i think Dorna needed to find a way to reset the system to put all the bikes on equal footing. Ducati is so overwhelmingly dominant right now and this is a good way to make them all start at ground zero. Especially since aerodynamics will be limited and no ride height devices permitted.
The same reason you could have a 200 mph capable 426ci motor in NASCAR in 1970 and today you are allowed a 200mph capable 350ci. Moto GP is as fast as it's ever going to get... 4 cylinder motorcycles will not pass Euro 6 emissions regulation. Motorcycles will get slower and there's nothing you can do about it.
@@JoeStanek-vu7rl If it's for emission reasons, then well, there's no way around it. But to my understanding, they say they are doing it for safety reasons because the bikes have become too fast. And that's where I think yes, they are too fast in the corners, not on the straights, so cut back on the aero and not the engine.
Motogp bikes are barely faster than WSBK and those are based on production machines. On Aragon this year the WSBK times in the race actually were slightly faster than MotoGP. Better conditions and better tires are the reason why but it shows that MotoGP are really not a "spaceship" compared to heavily modified production bikes in terms of speed despite all the extra aero and suspension devices. The interesting thing is that in WSBK, despite the pace being almost the same as MotoGP, the racing is much tighter. Following and passing is easier. Slightly less hp, much less aero, no suspension devices but crucially better tires seems to be what is great for WSBK.
I just test rode a 2025 GSX-R600. The salesman told me they have an R9 coming. I don't know if he meant that they have something on paper like a bill of laden or something.
You say they aren’t selling them but my local dealership.. unless you buy it before it hits the showroom floor you won’t get one.. 🤷🏻♂️ is that the Norm countrywide probably not but there’s plenty of people out there that love the R1.
I am happier with my 2024 Yam R6 (race only version). It is just exactly like my 2017 R6. And yes @ 57 I take this way to seriously. But I still enjoy the race weekend. Except Monday morning going to work tired and sore. I feel eventually the R1 by 2030 will be phased out and in race version like the R6
This issue is being discussed via numerous platforms, but I’ve heard zero comments on the MT10. Since it uses the R1 engine, I’m assuming it’s getting discontinued in Europe..?
Its losers like Yammie Noob, who love naked bikes that want the R1 to go away, luckily Yamaha did not listen....All 1000 cc bikes at dealerships do not sell in big numbers because manufacturers don’t build a lot of them, dealers sell out of them very fast. It’s not just a Yamaha thing. Anyone that buys an R9 or R7 does not appreciate or can’t afford a truly amazing machine like the R1…
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@@vlaaa_0.0 yeah Idiocracy here we are!! The movie of the year is "ASS"
I dont think spending 3/4 of my annual income on my hobby and wearing my track gear to Walmart is taking things too serious.
LOL, the fact you shop at Wal-mart worries me more than you riding to it in full gear.
@@VBMichael_Dgotta cut out the costs if you're gonna spend 3/4 income
@@gerbel01 This guy knows 👍
@@VBMichael_Dsince when is shopping at Walmart a bad thing 💀
Bro 3/4??? An R1 should be 1/4 of your income… get a better job
Excuse me, I'm a 48 year old lawyer (not a 43 year old insurance salesmen) who takes club racing way too seriously. I'll keep tricking out and overhauling my 2016 R1 and probably upgrade to either a V4 or M1000RR when the time comes. I'm a fairly seasoned and skilled track rider, but still a world away from tapping, let alone exceeding the potential of my 8 year old bike. I'll never get an R9 or anything less powerful than the last bike I owned. Lower laptimes are my life's purpose. Everything else is just a means to ride or a distraction until I can ride again.
Why is this so hard for the R1 fanboys to understand? 4 cylinder motorcycles are not going to be emission compliant in the future... they are going away whether you like it or not... be happy the R9 isn't electric.
Only@JoeStanek-vu7rl non compliant in commy Europe
@@JoeStanek-vu7rl Yamaha ER1
One manufacturer responding to one region doesn't spell doom for the whole industry, and they will still make track-only models. We don't need them to pass emissions. And as for the electric bikes, when they start performing better than gas powered engines, I'll be happy to switch over.
@@JoeStanek-vu7rl Trump will probably kill emissions standards.
You ever think that bikes aren't selling like they used to because prices are out of control?
I can't believe how many new 1000s I still see given the crazy price jump over 600s
Yeah even the used market it pricey. Pretty ridiculous actually.
It depends on the brand. Suzuki may get a lot of flack for not reinventing their line year after year, but you can buy 80% of their lineup for $12,000 or less and most for about $9k. Too bad the Europeans can’t or won’t do this. As long as Suzuki and Kawasaki keep things reasonable, I’m good but I totally agree with the point. Most European bikes are way out of range of the majority of riders and that’s a problem for riders and, probably soon, them too.
@TheSteveSteele A gsrx 600 is $12,000, and a gsxr 1000 is $16,000. The new R1 is close to $20,000; those should be car prices.
Bikes used to be affordable go fast. Now, if you can afford a bike and a car, you are spending close $40,000-$60,000 - just buy a sports car.
No sh*t, I bought one of the very first R6's (1999 model) for $5999+TTT back then in Jacksonville, Fl. When it was first released and had put a deposit on it about 6 months before it was even released as it was the most Hyped up new Super Sport to be released and if memory serves me Right I paid around $6200 out the door and that was no Sale price being I got one of the first in the city and they literally had a waiting list when they were first released hence why I had to put a deposit on it like 6 months earlier to get 1 of the First ones and at the time the dealer was only allocated 3 bikes in the very first shipment and they were all spoken for and they had none in the show room yet... But my point is that they have almost doubled in price since then..
I'm about to turn 73 yrs young! I'm an avid mountain biker so I'm in excellent health and fitness. I also own a highly modified 2009 R1 and am blessed to live where there are roads to enjoy such a bike. Granted, I don't do track days anymore and have become a way smarter rider on the street but still like to wind it up to 140+ on my favorite straightaway to get the juices flowing! I have plenty of mountain twisties along with fast flowing roads with good line of sight. Bottom line is, I love riding my R1 because it reliable, paid for, has great performance, looks good, and sounds awesome too! Thank the good Lord I can still handle this beast!!! Like I tell many of my non rider friends... "It's so much fun to ride it should be illegal". So, my advice is to be healthy and fit and keep enjoying your 1000cc sportbikes and ride smart so you can ride tomorrow! (How many people do you know that are my age and still ride 1000cc crotch rockets?)
I have a 2010 R1 LE. I always wondered when will the day come where I decide to stop riding. Seeing this post just made my decision, I’m never stopping 😂 I’m 36.
Just awesome!! I'm pushing 65 and ride 450cc enduros, but no stinking way I'm getting on a 200hp crotch rocket. Nope, I know my limitations, and a .3+ second reaction time means I'm just gonna be D - E - D dead on what you're riding. Props to you!!
Glad to hear there’s others out there who won’t part with there sports bike even though there in their seventies I’m 72 and my latest super bike is a bmw s1000 RR decatted 200bhp and I absolutely love it and don’t hang around on it I still love the buzz of riding it and will continue to due so until I can’t 😂
Me for one. CBR 1000RR.
Great to hear! I'm 64 and sold my Super Duke 1290 last year, but it's great to hear you riding your Yammie into your 70's!
I just raced a 2024 R1 in Utah this year. Spent as much on go-fast parts as the bike itself. Took off all the street for race parts to make it run and breathe properly. At my local club-racer level (and am 51 years old) I really enjoy the bike for racing and track days immensely. I do have disposable income to spend on my passion however, would not recommend any 1000 CC bike for the street. Its more fun to ride a slow bike fast than it is to try to ride a fast bike fast. Do what makes you happy!
Less fun trying to ride a fast bike slow…
R7 was never the r6 replacement. The r7 was always meant to compete with the 650 class and the r9 is the actual r6 replacement
Yamaha also said the R9 doesnt replace the R6, they know the legend of the r6 isnt something they can just 'recreate'
That said though, same HP with alot more torque, and only 12.5k$. Closest replacement we'll get
its not a r6 replacement ..... its just like the r7 a totally different bike made from a naked to keep the profit margins high
@@wlt3585 they said that as a pr move lol it’s their new super sport class bike
@@banana-ui2qd no it’s not they built this bike to compete in the super sport class again which you will see in the near future
Parallel twins are sooooo boring. Sorry. I hate them
43 here. Just bought a 2024 R1. Can’t wait to go 180 on the interstate!!😏
I live in SoCal and when I had an R1 100 on the 91 feels like 40mph LMFFFAAAOOO 🤘
Just not in California, jail time! Should be V4.
Same here Brother, picked up a 2024 R1 and I’m also 43.
I work for a dealer who sells Yamaha. The R9 took the place officially of the R6 with the same 118hp. The R7 didn’t take the R6 place. R7 has a whole 72hp.
My 2008 Yamaha R6s had 127 horsepower.
on my dyno a stock r7 made 61 hp
In the 5 years I was in bike sales, I figure at least 90% of the R1's I sold were to police. (I guess it's the perfect bike when you're immune to tickets.)
Trooper for 17 years 🙋🏾♂️ not immune to tickets tho 😆.
I’m a 59 year old retired guy and I’m an R1 lover. I had a 98 R1 and a 2004 R1. Both were amazing bikes and I wish I had never sold them. My current sport bike is an S1000RR and I love it as well. But the soft spot remains for a R1 and the R1M maybe in my garage someday.
Which year s1000 did you get and how is the maintenance and reliability as compared to previous bike?
@ My RR is a 2022. The bike had its by first service at 600 miles and one recall, both done at the dealership. I performed the end-of-year oil change but the odometer is below 6000 miles so the second service has yet to be performed. My R1s never saw a dealership after I bought them. I did my own oil changes but they did not have the electronics to nag you for maintenance.
I have never put many miles on any of my bikes so I’m not the best person to compare long term reliability of the two generations of bikes.
@@JLK7700 oh so it's pretty new. Thanks for the reply
For the record, almost all 'waterproof' shoes are better at keeping water in than out.
Loved the MotoGP section :)
There's close to no RUclips coverage of the sport
Try subscribing to the official MotoGp channel if you're not already. Crash also does a regular podcast which comes to mind immediately and there are a number of channels that cover MotoGP. Cheers.
@@ApexRadius The problem is that Dorna exerts too much control over MotoGp and WSBK. I'm not going to pay that much for access to their channels, and they're not going to give me access unless I pay, and that's the way the cookie crumbles. I can live without it.
How tf do they think locking most people OUT is going to drive up revenue?
Everybody used to know every f1 drivers and subsequently all the brands the associate with.
That doesnt happen anymore
Nobody cares anymore because you have to pay to watch
@@peterwilson8039 @peterwilson8039 I was referring to the free official MotoGP YT channel and third party analysis on YT channels like the aforementioned Crash YT channel.
But as a longtime all-access MGP app subscriber, yes, it has gotten quite expensive over the years.
@@peterwilson8039I was referring to the free official MotoGP YT channel and third party analysis on YT channels like the aforementioned Crash YT channel.
But as a longtime all-access MGP app subscriber, yes, it has gotten quite expensive over the years.
Year round rider in Michigan. Get some heated gear, drive the truck for the 20% of the days when the roads are icy, enjoy 2 wheels the rest of the time.
If they want MotoGP to be more like the street. They need to add some 4 way intersections with cars, 90% turns, teenagers driving and texting on the track, and a random cop asking “Do you know that guy? Tell them to come back here”. Id honestly watch MotoGP more lol
I was excited for the R9 triple but now I can't wait for the 850CC V4-engined R8 announcement!
HTF does anyone who knows anything about performance, get excited for a 3 cylinder supersport bike? They do not have an advantage over an I4 where top end and high rev horsepower are concerned, and that's what supersport bikes do.
@@VBMichael_D Because I'm going to ride it on the street. I like the torque lower in the rev range, and as cool as having 200hp is, I'd rather have 120-ish on the street.
@@VBMichael_Dnot everyone likes super high rev engines.
Why do youth think manufacturers still sell twins?
@@MrAckers75 100% understandable. Being the owner of a SINGLE CYLINDER 2007 DRZ400SM myself, I have zero opposition to those engines themselves. But again, SUPERSPORT bikes are designed to do exactly that, go fast with high rev engines. By your logic, Lambo/Ferrari should remove the buttery smooth V12s and replace them with say, a non super high revving engine like Nissan's KA24DE? An engine that was originally designed to go in their hardbody pickup trucks, that while will run for on average 200000 miles, it doesn't rev very high.
Dont forget MOTOGP is going to 800cc, so theres no knowing what coming in a year or 2.
When I started riding you started on a 600, or 636 unless you had an ego that led you to the liter machines. Next you got a literbike or Busa , ZX12 or 14. Ducatis were kinda niche and didn’t hold up to the performance of the Japanese bikes back in the early 00’s . If you wanted a naked bike you pulled the plastics, put a round headlight and dirt bike handlebar on your SS or SBK and that was a street fighter . So much more options now . I didn’t mind the way it was though .
I'd rather end the EPA, CARB, and EURO5 than end the R1.
Right. bunch for paper pushers that sit at home anyway.
Like most all "Federal" agencies and their names, they do the exact opposite of whatever they are called.
@@meldoon Right, and which coal or gas plant is generating that power?
Yamaha never said they were cancelling the R1. They said they were not supplying it to Europe. The R1M was going to be supplied to Europe. Australia, Asia and America was always getting the R1.
...... "with the added Temu winglets".............priceless :)
i purchased the said winglets while drunk they are now in the trash 😁
Salesman at I bike dealer in Canada here: The only reason the R1 isn’t selling well is because Yamaha won’t produce enough of them. We are the biggest dealer in my city, and Yamaha is only sending us 4 In total for 2025. And we’ve already sold them ALL.
Not sure what their strategy is here, but anyone that says they don’t sell well is full of it. They sell like wildfire
Yamaha doesn't have car money, but they have saxophone money.
And keyboard money
Love the videos but what I love even more is the classical music in the back especially this one! I love Chopin!
WhenI was studying in Paris, I rode a Ducati 851 super sport. We would ride the twisties in Dampierre (Paris outer suburbs). I stopped riding after my student years but got back on a bike at age 59. I ride a 2004 Honda CBF 600 just to get back into the saddle. I will definitely graduate to something with more zest. I live in the South of France next to the Pyrenees. It is just paradise for mountain twisties. Cross over to Spain and you have fast curves, no traffic and very few speed cameras and police.
*If* you can afford it, there is nothing like a 1000cc bike on track. I am lucky enough to live 45 Minutes away from the Dutch TT at Assen. I own a 450cc two zylinder with lousy 27 horsepower for leasure rides in the country side, but on track, I don't want 3 cylinders, I don't want "tame" or "manageble" I want my 4 zylinder 1000cc Superstock watering my eyes, when exiting a corner. For all I care they can just stop making them road legal. I haven't riden my liter bikes on the road in years. And btw, you can take club racing way to seriously at a much younger age :D
i am a yamaha, suzuki, and kawasaki dealer. your statement about people not buying superbikes is FALSE. i cant get enough! we sell every liter bike we can get. bmw sells out of every s1000rr they make and so does every japanese company. this is false news
I’m 48 and I own a 2004 CBR1000RR that I bought new. I have around 67,000 miles on it. Never had the valves adjusted. I’ll get that done this winter for the first time. Love the bike. Japanese 1000cc will always be where the superbike started. No other brands can match their reliability in the real world. I never did a track day with it but it has seen a lot of canyon twisties. I’ll probably die owning that bike.
I would love to get a new CBR1000 but the prices just got out of control.
I now go moto camping with my 04 CBR1000RR. Yep, you heard right. Camping. I had a bracket fabricated to install a Givi hard top box where the passenger seat is and it works great.
I’m the fastest one to the campground. 😂
Awesome machines. You can race with them or go camping.
I’m a 1000cc sportbike lifer..!!
I certainly hope that manufacturers are keeping an eye on these comments. It would appear the demand is not dead.
Motorcycles have always been about performance and handling, we don’t need to tame them down too much. Let the horsepower flow please. 🙏🏼
LOL.. Me too, except I'm 43 and bought a 2006 cbr1000rr brand new, now has 48k miles, mostly cuz I ride a 2010 street glide nearly all the time.. The cbr is relegated to riding around the loop about 6-8times a year, and a couple high speed highway floggings for shits and giggles.. My 06cbr was $9599 on the showroom.. won't ever see that again..
70, still riding my 2010 1000rr in Repsol paint. One of the best all round bikes I've had.
One reason why sales decline for these types of bikes is increased insurance coverage prices it’s absurd how expensive it is for me to insure a bike ok yes I’m young so that’s obviously a factor as to why it’s more expensive but even at that I’m pay £250 pounds a month roughly 326 dollars 300 euros for a ktm duke 125 so that’s nearly 2500 a year for a bike that only cost me 3k
Really for me insurance is $300 a year for full coverage for my tuono v4, I'm also in an older age bracket.
@@BeardedStiggyea it’s really bad where I’m from im from Ireland and it’s so bad there’s some cars cheaper for me to insure than my bike
I'm 28 in January. I pay more for my 400 than my in-law pays for his Hyabusa. That's not even right. My bike cost 8k, and his was 25k.
Papa Yam Another great video I guess people don’t realize how much post production work goes into one of these videos, but kudos.
Glad the weather is holding out because after I watch your video I’m gonna go out riding on my 2024 MT-09SP rock ‘n’ roll baby.
I used to own a '13 R6 and it was my first crotch rocket. The thing was absolutely a blast to ride. But once I hopped on a Super Duke, It was over for me and the sub 1000cc category. I now have an '85 Honda V65 Manga a '96 Triumph Daytona 1200 an '01 TL1000RY That's built to the hilt, a heavily modified '20 Super Duke, and a '21 Ducati Diavel 1260 S. I often debate buying a smaller bike to get a little nuts on again but it's hard to step away from the absolute torque insanity that I am used to.
Parallel twins are half of a v4. It's inevitable.
V twins are half of a v4 it is so over
They are not because the stroke of a parallel twin causes the crank to be unstable or unbalanced, thus needing different engineering at the crankshaft to solve this. Where v twins or v4s do not... also inline 4s ironically do not have this problem. This is why parallel twins rev out completely differently than their counterpart inline 4s and v4s.
Parallel twins are the corduroy pants among engines ^^
@@sebo1337 PLEATED corduroy pants even.
"Arguably the best 600 ever to have existed" my 04 zx6r 636 is that "Arguably" 40k miles , owned from new , never let me down 💚 even once thrashed the hell out of it , oh & i own an R1 08 & my zx6r is still the goat 🐐
The problem with Texas is the never ending summers. 100 degrees daily for months on end. Engine temps are ridiculous to maintain and deal with.
They are not if you’re not in standstill traffic.
And if you’re sitting in traffic during rush hour you’re riding motorcycles wrong
@@vizzle89my brother in Christ. Have you TRIED to break traffic laws in Texas? That’s a sure fire way to get a felony lmao
Oh dear, how sad, never mind. suck it up. try riding with your full kit in an OZZY summer. i feel most sorry for those who live in climates where you don't get warm weather, ever.
@@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony ps when I bought new r1 in 2009 in the spring I was riding in Prague and had her boiled off because of long red lights and hot weather. I immediately forgot about the warranty, had cat removed, straight pipe with an end can installed and it solved all summer overheating issues. Cats are evil on bikes.
@@Idroppedmygrilledcheesefug I live in Texas and ride year round which is one Texas highlight, riding around in January, can't do that in NY, Cleveland or GA. I don't ride my bikes in summer rush hours not only because it's too hot and dumb, but Dallas Ft worth area drivers will try and kill you lols. However, I ride year round not in traffic, superbikes aren't meant for traffic in any state.
I (still) have a Suzuki TL 1000S, and with its 127HP is still quite a beast. I tried an R1 from 2004: 140km/h in 1st gear. And it had around 150HP if I recon right.
Now, WHAT are you going to do with a 200+HP bike? Where do you go, on street, with those? They cost a lot and are usefull ONLY if you have great experience and a race track near home, because that's the only place they belongs to.
They went waaay to far.
No one wants to buy a Japanese bike for 28K. THIS is why the bikes do not change. These are toy bikes, used on occasion, a second bike. It’s over. Welcome to our new crap economy.
Yep and the people in europe, latin america and asia who use bikes as their primary vehicle probably can't afford a 28k or even an 18k bike to begin with.
I don’t have a car, I ride a CBR300 and I’m looking to get an MT10. $18k is not bad for a brand new vehicle that is faster than a Lamborghini.
Speak for yourself, I’m searching everywhere for a 22’ RRR Fireblade to add to my collection next to my 07 CBR600RR
Iv got 7 bikes in the garage and now want the new 25 rsv4 rf.
with the tarrifs, it's going to be nothing but Harleys from now on.
I’ve been riding my mt-10sp for little over a year now and I’m ready for the R1M next…. R1m is my dream bike for my skill set rn
I appreciate the professional delivery you bring to your posts. You speak so well. I admire your talent.
Im 51 and currently my bike of choice is the ZX10R Ive been fortunate enough to own R1s GSXRs and ZX10s but Ive ridden them all and love them all, lucky for me which ever manufacturer produces the last, best 1000 inline 4 will see me out, but I have to say I really feel for those that feel the way I do about riding these amazing bikes that wont have the opportunity to see the and own the incredible advancements that have continued via access to these machines in the future
Damn happy Im an Australian too 🤣😆
The difference this ground is Yamaha has no flagship bike to sell to the EU having discontinued the R1. V4’s clearly can be made to meet regulations, Yamaha will want to fill the gap. Hence v4 flagship.
Just my hypothesis.
I like it. I'm glad that they finally upgraded the front brakes. The wings are cool.
The most interesting move in the WSBK scene is the Kawasaki ZX10RR getting replaced by a Bimota based around the ZX10RR engine. And the upcoming Ducati Panigale V4R with the new conventional swing arm.
The supersport category is the most interesting one. The KTM 990 RC-R, Yamaha R9, CF Moto 800rr going against the established Panigale V2 & MV 800RR.
Wait CF Moto is making an 800RR?
@@sleeper.simulant7327 I'm sorry, CF Moto is making a 675 triple, QJ Motor is making the 800 inline 4
Yeah, I find the new age supersort classes really interesting these days. I'm not entirely sure why some people want to see only essentially 20-year-old 600 I-4s race each other.
@@ApexRadius Happy to see that the ZX6R & CBR600RR Are still in the mix, but yeah, it's been a bit stale for a long time. Since it's inception, supersports has always been the 600 i4s plus the junior Ducati V2
@@shravanav993 I'm also glad to see the old 600s still there, but the class is so much more interesting with a wider variety of bikes.
Literally pick any of them as they are all bad ass. I started riding at 3 and began my sport bike journey on 98 GSXR 750 when I was 18 then went 2010 CBR1000rr and now I’ve moved on to Aprilia RSV4 1100 and Yammy R1M. I found that I am addicted to that V4. You literally cannot go wrong. In between the Aprilia to the Yamaha is a number of top quality picks that will have you grinning at your choice. I am 53 now and find every chance to twist out some fun ripping around SoCal.
Those Yamahas with the cross plane crank sound awesome, but I agree, not usable for the streets unless you become a squid
cross plane crank only matters on v engines
@@djjaysky9071 agree to disagree
Except Honda did produce (and sell in the US) the rc213v-s road bike from 2015 to 2018. Very rare and very pricey to own and run. Just ask IOM-TT vet Michael Rutter who raced one on the island for many years.
Those are the first winglets that I actively despise.
AND it will do nothing if Yamaha doesn't address top end power. Corner speed and keeping the nose down under acceleration was never it's weakness compared to Ducati and BMW
Would love a video on your thoughts regarding the future of the kawasaki zx10r since they bailed on wsbk for 25.
I'm a 50yo who's owned R1's and other big sports bikes all my adult life, and I agree. I think we've entered an era where the Japanese corporations are far more budget conscious than they once were. Ever stricter emissions regs has played a part in this. The "everyman" sports bikes that they all produce are cheaper to make and cheaper for the consumer to buy. No brainer, really. But, I do hope they will still continue to produce affordable flagships. Any auto manufacturer can produce a super car if they want to, but few people can afford to own them.
@@davew8841 brother, 46 yo here, maybe makes sense to grab a fresh zx10 and preserve it, it’s still made as it should be without planned obsolescence in mind. Maybe because Kawa produces less bikes than other big three but is actually a huge corporation that builds navy ships and tankers, loads of money, bikes are toy project for them.
Budget consciousness should go right TF out the window when we are talking about flagship performance vehicles.
A prime example is why TF did Nissan put an intrinsically IMBALANCED V6 engine in their 'flagship performance car'?
"Let's build the VH45DE V8?" CEO: nN0pE!
"Let's retool the RB and put a proper INLINE 6 in there?" CEO: N3g@t1Ve. dURp!
CEO: "wE WuNT tHUh WurST EnJ3n tYPe 4 pUrf0rmUNz"
Holy crap! Someone wrote this script who has a pretty deep knowledge of motorcycle racing! Was that you Yam? Pretty good fer a guy with an ADV bike in the garage!
😇 couldn't be me lol
we don't need 200hp for the road. But i would love a 750cc V4 at 150hp and 175kg
I’m looking to get an MT-10 as my second bike. Perfectly practical
Yammie what’s your opinion on starting on a mt03 ??
He's gonna say: Slow
if youre not too tall its great. is what i think he said once.
@@Profano23ik that’s what’s he’s probably gonna say but I still want to hear his opinion cause it’s what I started on
Sounds good have fun
I started on a r3 (silimar to yours) I had lots of fun... but yeah, its kinda slow @Quacklin10
You hit the nail on the head, definitely that Suzuki kind of updates, with the major success of the T7 and upcoming R9 there are getting very complacent
That bike is nearly 10 years old now. Sticking some wings on it isn’t going to cut it.
There’s a lot of reasons why not to like Yamaha. Zx10 has the most tech even cruise control. Kawasaki stays dominating. Honda coming in second for innovation.
@@JaguarPriestbmw has the most tech and wsbk 2024 champion.
@@allnighterist lmao hard pass. BMW s1000rr is the most unreliable superbike. Literally everyone I know who’s had them sold for major issues.
@@JaguarPriest sounds like just a "you" thing, alot of motovloggers literally ditching japanese bikes for german and italian and btw kawasaki have a recall on their 2020-2021 zx10r about 1,500 units. Hate it or like it bmw is the face of inline 4 right now and also winning against V4 ducati. BMW beat the ducati so hard that ducati was forced to use double-sided swingarm for 2025 lol.
@ it’s actually not the face of inline 4 and it’s not preferred and it’s not a me thing. You can literally search “bmws1000rr reliability”, also the most popular motorcycle RUclipsr bought one and said it was the worst bike he’s ever had and then sold it due to issues.
Those wings are the only ones i approve of on bikes, first ones to actually look good on a motorcycle
We all want a 1000cc sports bike that no one can fully utilise the power, but no one’s buying them
Because they're so bloody uncomfortable on the road....
When I bought my R6 in 2002, an R1 was just under $10k. The prices now are crazy. Buy a used 10 year old bike for way less. That's the problem.
@@jlzimmerman7510k in 2000 is $18,200 today so what’s your point. Everything costs more, just like everyone makes more.
@@garboi8976 interest rates are higher now, and pay has not kept up with the cost of bikes, that's my point.
I had a R1 the last year of carbureted it was still one of my funniest bikes I've ever owned
What was the best joke it told you ?
Yamaha needs to make new mt10 with gen1 looks
this was basically what honda's been doing with the cbr600rr. They released the new bike in europe and japan but the us has been getting the same old bike since 2013
The r7 and r9 are great stepping stones for sport bike riders to get into the sport. However, we could see yamaha do what honda did and have some v4 configurations in different models. The r7 amd r9 are great street sport bikes. I do wish we had something cazy fast for the streets and track and not just a old r6 model.
Most most people can barely deal with an R7 on track. And the ones who are skilled enough, which is far less than those who perceive themselves that way, will never justify a company keeping a specific model alive for just a few. It's not reasonable to expect otherwise.
I think people are wrongly assuming the R9 is one of the new friendly-mild-middleweight sporty bike segment. It has the potential to be faster than the R6 everywhere except maybe long straights. Top speed is not what wins races. Getting through corners--and getting out of them early on the gas with more power down is primarily what wins races.
Let's wait to see what the R9 is really like when people actually get to ride it. We don't even know what the actual stock power figures are yet. But some people have already done some quick math with the MT-09 power figures and the new final drive gearing and it seems to indicate that the R9 will be at least as fast as the R6 in a straight line and possibly faster. It should accelerate faster. And, objectively, it should be a much better road bike than an R6. We'll see.
@@ApexRadius yeah exactly. This will give people the ability to have R6 speeds with much wider torque ranges when coming out of straights, which is useful both on road and on track.
I don't think the main anger is oriented towards this replacing the R6 but the R1 not being a thing anymore though.
@@lucascarracedo7421 For sure but, IMO, there's a couple of misguided speculations around the R9 specifically. One is that it's a replacement for the R1. It's really not. It's just that the R1 won't be available as a road bike in many markets. Yamaha is essentially surrendering that market to other manufacturers. That's pretty telling. They don't sell enough to make it worthwhile to keep developing the current bike.
Superbikes are only really viable as high-priced halo bikes and for racing homologation these days.
Another is that the R9 isn't essentially a replacement for the R6. It's quite different than an R6 but it fills the same space in the market and is almost certainly a more flexible and useable bike in more situations than the R6.
@@ApexRadius yeah exactly. I agree with everything. This being close to a 1000cc bike gets people confused and they don't know what to make of it. Also, as you stated, everyone's talking and nobody had the chance to ride one. So there's that.
So if you want to get a R1 , find a low miles clean for sales is your best bet ? Other option is try find leftover R1 at dealers
Street bikes in the pattern of the 1390 SuperDuke R are the way. I've had 3 R1s and a couple of MT10s, among dozens of other bikes. They were terrific, but the SDR topped them easily in desirability for street riding.
I had a mt-10 21 but way to slow is the SDR that much better then the R1?
@@leanit5756 I absolutely love my 1290. After racing R1, ZX10 and such. Superbike is totally pointless on streets, being a track weapon. Bike like SDR is probably 70% street 30% track, due to comfortable higher seating, mostly. Engine wise it’s godly on track. Usable from bottom to top. In race starts, corner exits totally eats 1000 alive. On long straights yes they catch up by the end but if you brave on brakes, and they are amazing on SDR, they shall not pass )
I made the move to a super naked 5 years ago and I love it and will not go back. I'm seriously thinking about moving to the hyper-naked SDR....I've talked with several people with SD's and several have mentioned being in the shop too much for my liking so that's got me a little hesitant.....how is yours holding up?
@@razorbak6783 Well I had the 1290 and sold it. It had no faults while I owned it, although a few things chapped my ass. The first was that on deceleration there was a weird throttle blip thing it did. around 4,000 RPM. The 1390 I own now does not do that.
Both the 1290 and the 1390 would be improved if the switch clusters were moved inboard by at least a 1/4". On both bikes I frequently accidentally / unknowingly activate the high beams, +/- switches, and C1/C2 switch, especially when riding really aggressively.
That aside, the 1390 has been flawless so far too, and the adjustable wheelie control is the slickest thing. Put her in 3rd, get to about 7,000 RPM and roll the throttle quickly and you get the best power wheelies ever.
Bike is quite spacious and comfortable. Gets good gas mileage for what it is, and has terrific ergonomics (other than the switch pods thing).
@@chrisbenko6616 Compared to a R1 on the street, the 1390s brakes are better, it is way more comfortable, and the suspension is better and easier to adjust (electronic). The dash is WAY better and the cruise control is of course quite convenient.
I have not rode my 1390 on track yet, but did plenty with my two R1s and my R1M. I considered them pretty magical there other than their front brakes.
Yep in the UK dealerships are closing only small cc bikes are selling
With a dual sport, when it gets shitty out , ya don't put the bike away. Ya just change to off road tires 👌
that’s right😂 i got a dual sport cr250
Id just buy a wrecked R7 for track days because the 2 cylinder is so easy to ride and now ive ridden a turbo r7 (Setup for tracks, not drag) and seen how reliable it is AND beating stock 1k sports bike is the quarter, yet still being easy to ride with low down torque too 6k rpm then the rest of the rev range is in boost and feels like an inline 4 sports bike braking traction or wanting to lift the front
MT-09 for street and/or stunt riding, Again easy and fun power band to ride and geared right so its good to cruise at 60mph/100kms but still good for twisty roads and stunts
R1 may be replaced by the coming gp 800cc, and it's engine remaining with the mt10
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I like the homologation race series, currently have a WSBK subscription not MotoGP. The only street bikes I ever bought are sport bikes. I don’t see a replacement for the liter bikes. The frame geometry on these new gen crossover bikes is too short and compact. I prefer the long and low stretched out cockpit of traditional sport bikes. To me the new are glorified naked bikes meant to look sporty while not being conducive for a full size person to tuck in behind the fairing.
In Europe we have Ducati, MVAgusta, Triumph, BMW, KTM ... five reasons we don't need the R1. Its all good.
All of them can be ditched in a garage every week. No thanks. New R1 will be out in 2027 as yamaha engineers already confirmed that it's in development
@@foodmaniac9339 BUT EURO BIKES HAVE BEATEN THE JAP BIKES IN EVERY COMPARISON FOR THE LAST 16 YEARS STRAIT . EURO BIKES BETTER IN EVERY ASPECT NOW
@@foodmaniac9339lmao... I can't breath 😂😭 these European bike are garbage 🗑️
@@Liamproduc267 yeah bmw is garbage......😅
None of those brands can match the Japanese in overall performance and reliability.
atleast to me, there was nothing wrong with suzuki continuing to sell the gsxr1000 year after year. i wish it was still available in the uk.
The worlds economy is on the brink. Superbikes will be back.
I'm 47, not 43 and i got no use for club racing but i do love my liter bikes. Not really a R1 type but my CBR 1000's are still my favorite 2 wheeled ride that isn't a Busa.
I live in Europe. The EU hates it when we have fun I think. The EU was great for trading and commerce, but they now decide how every country should live in Brussels.
@@rustysutton in shocking turn of events, the EU, founded by the same people who founded Eurocommunism after Classic Communism got a bad rep in the 50s and 60s, turns out to be similar to a communist nation
@@VictorPhilippov STOP telling this BS, there's no "communism" in this world from years. Not anymore. Maybe in Cuba... MAYBE.
The r1 is the only way to get a crossplane inline 4. It's impossible to get long in the tooth when it's the only option IMO. I will probably get this next season.
I don’t enjoy riding superbikes on the street, i got rid of my Panigale V4 and got an MT09. What a relief.
I'm loving these daily vids. I'd love to see one about basic maintenance for new riders...
When I bought my Honda CB500F from my local yamaha honda dealership I knew I was getting scammed and knew I wasn't going to be coming back for their in house first maintenance (though I do wonder if it would have been worth the $500 charge for a "free first maintenance").
I didn't have a bike cover or drop kit, didn't protect my helmet from scratches. Had no idea when to change my oil or brake fluid, when to check my tire air pressure... No idea the difference between cleaning and waxing my chain (you'd think to just google it but yknow- slipped my mind I guess).
Basically, I was an idiot. After having to replace my warped handlebars -$150, and have my front brake taken apart and cleaned-
I started wondering, "Why isn't there a video out there talking about how to take care of your bike when you're not on it.?"
I think it could be a great topic for your channel. Cheers!
Vessi sneakers designed in Vancouver made in Taiwan. Yam is ok with this. CFMoto designed in Austria by Kiska Design and made in China. Yam is not ok with this. Before Yam throws a fit about the QJMotors Super 9 with a price tag at 10,000USD being another Chinese ripoff of MV Agusta's Superveloce 1000 Series Oro. The Super 9 is a collaboration between MV Agusta and QJMotors. Just giving all the Yam peeps a heads up with all the facts before he unleashes the Chinese Motorcycle Tantrum again.
One qualm, CF moto currently only has one KTM derived engine.
@@Ephem13 And they redesigned it....
@@MickH60 seeing as CFMoto hasn't had the same issues with their 800 that KTM is having with the 790/890 line, they definitely did something. Hell, it might be what KTM finally implemented on their 2024 motors as they have a new head design.
Honda never sold a 1000cc V4, street-legal Superbike? I may be missing something, but when I rode a VF1000R, all through the night, at Willow Springs (Motorcyclist Magazine, 1983 24-hour test), it seemed pretty V4, raceable, and 1000cc to me. GP bikes, were, of course 500cc 2-strokes at the time, but that's not the fault of Honda at the time.
I have been to Europe several time and don’t remember seeing sportbikes, mainly just scooters.
You sure it was Europe and not Asia you've been to ? Lots of sportbikes over here in Europe.
In the summertime I see sportbikes frequently in Germany
An idea for yamaha. Put the mt10 engine in a racerbike .160bhp would sell loads at the right price
1:30 nah that credit goes to ZX-6R
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when is the last time zx6r win WSPP or any race against r6?
Good analysis. Thank you Yamster.
2015 R1 rider here! Not an insurance salesman, not going 180 in a straight line. Neither 19 or 43. I just ride it to work without exceeding the speed limit.
That is strange. Why get the R1
For the looks, feel, sound, etc. why should you drive it crazy? I also had an R1 2008 and never crossed 140kmh
In my country ( Belgium ) it cost roughly 2500€ ( 2 625$ ) + 175€ ( 183$ ) Eco-malus to put a new R1 on the road and ~1300€ ( 1 365$ ) each year, all that without insurance ...
I can see why the demand is so low and Yamaha took this route for Europe ...
Motorcycle go vroom vroom
Y not build the r1 cp4 the same way and just add more air intake and fuel rail then limit it in the ecu so u can have a monster in the tracks and we can just spend the $250 to have it opened up?
New Bike!?! Lmao 🤣 "Let's stick some Winglets on last year's model and call it a day"!!! Good job guys😂 My 04 R1 would eat that bike like a snack! 💯🔥🔥🔥
Can others confirm this?
As someone who's both into motorbikes (and sports cars) and also PCs, this sounds exactly like PC hardware trends. "Hey, we came up with this new CPU cooler!" - "Cool! Looks pretty much like the old one, what's new?" - "We added AI-based RGB to it" - "Didn't it already have RGB before?" - "Well, yes, but now you can use our updated software for AI-based customization of the RGB effects" - "...."
It's usually more about the rider, not the bike. But, modern liter bikes make about 40-50 more HP than their early 2000s counterparts
@@yammienoob so in short, with the same rider a 04 R1 will not "smoke" a 24 R1
this bike is just a road bike, theye making them for affordability, not many are buying litre bikes with the 30 gs aud price tag, just look at racing grids for club racing everyones on older models, back in day litre bikes was under 20. a 600 will beat this mto9 sport bike.
The quote on the R1 existing is great. Its very similar to the Lexus LFA. A symbol that reflects values. Something uniquely Japanese in ethos.
Not a insurance salesman. I’m an aircraft engineer, I’m 49 and take club racing seriously because I’m obsessed with doing track days on my R1M. Your information is wrong about the general demographic on the R1. I barely see 19 year old kids on R1’s. And by barely, it’s probably more like never. They are mostly on R3, and R7. Or Honda 650 or something similar. And this is what I’m visually seeing each and ever time I ride. We are not in the early 2000’s anymore.
Totally agree with you. Don't know where these guys get their info from but i mainly see R1's owned by mature riders or mainly in the race track during track days.
I was riding new ZX10rs back then as a 19-20 year old. People thought I sold 'stuff' and couldn't fathom that I just skipped uni and went straight into full time IT.
As someone who just recently found out about how awesome Yamaha is (06 R1) I'm pretty stoked for the new R1, finally going cross plane and all that jazz. Lol The R9 well I'd have to ride one to have an opinion. I heard the 7 left a lot to be desired sooo makes me think the same for the 9.
I really don't understand why they change the rules for 2027 in MotoGP to make the engines smaller. It's true that there have been more serious accidents in the past couple of years than before, but it didn't happen on the straights. It happened in the corners and I can't help but think the higher cornering speeds due to the new trend towards more aero in recent years is part of the reason why. So I don't think making the engines smaller will do much, if anything, to make the sport safer.
Probably casue of pencil pushers wjho think they know everything.
Honestly, i think Dorna needed to find a way to reset the system to put all the bikes on equal footing. Ducati is so overwhelmingly dominant right now and this is a good way to make them all start at ground zero. Especially since aerodynamics will be limited and no ride height devices permitted.
The same reason you could have a 200 mph capable 426ci motor in NASCAR in 1970 and today you are allowed a 200mph capable 350ci. Moto GP is as fast as it's ever going to get... 4 cylinder motorcycles will not pass Euro 6 emissions regulation. Motorcycles will get slower and there's nothing you can do about it.
@@JoeStanek-vu7rl If it's for emission reasons, then well, there's no way around it. But to my understanding, they say they are doing it for safety reasons because the bikes have become too fast. And that's where I think yes, they are too fast in the corners, not on the straights, so cut back on the aero and not the engine.
Motogp bikes are barely faster than WSBK and those are based on production machines. On Aragon this year the WSBK times in the race actually were slightly faster than MotoGP. Better conditions and better tires are the reason why but it shows that MotoGP are really not a "spaceship" compared to heavily modified production bikes in terms of speed despite all the extra aero and suspension devices. The interesting thing is that in WSBK, despite the pace being almost the same as MotoGP, the racing is much tighter. Following and passing is easier. Slightly less hp, much less aero, no suspension devices but crucially better tires seems to be what is great for WSBK.
bring back the rd350 - here in the UK we do not comply with euro emission regulations as we have left Europe
Yeah, we do. You can only get round it with single personal import.
9:32 you left out R125 :)
I just test rode a 2025 GSX-R600. The salesman told me they have an R9 coming. I don't know if he meant that they have something on paper like a bill of laden or something.
The R9 wouldn't replace the r6 either, inline 3 ain't an inline 4.
As soon as I saw that they were making a 25, I put an order in for a 25 R1 Raven since my 05 R1 was stolen.
You say they aren’t selling them but my local dealership.. unless you buy it before it hits the showroom floor you won’t get one.. 🤷🏻♂️ is that the Norm countrywide probably not but there’s plenty of people out there that love the R1.
I am happier with my 2024 Yam R6 (race only version). It is just exactly like my 2017 R6. And yes @ 57 I take this way to seriously. But I still enjoy the race weekend. Except Monday morning going to work tired and sore. I feel eventually the R1 by 2030 will be phased out and in race version like the R6
This issue is being discussed via numerous platforms, but I’ve heard zero comments on the MT10. Since it uses the R1 engine, I’m assuming it’s getting discontinued in Europe..?
Its losers like Yammie Noob, who love naked bikes that want the R1 to go away, luckily Yamaha did not listen....All 1000 cc bikes at dealerships do not sell in big numbers because manufacturers don’t build a lot of them, dealers sell out of them very fast. It’s not just a Yamaha thing. Anyone that buys an R9 or R7 does not appreciate or can’t afford a truly amazing machine like the R1…
I have a 2024 and a 2025 r1. Throttle is way less twitchy and quickshifter is smoother
Putting bikes up for the winter? Not here in AZ, were getting them out!