Tesla Driver Tries Public EV Charging For The First Time! Yikes

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  • Опубликовано: 22 окт 2024

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  • @posstenuse
    @posstenuse 6 месяцев назад +6

    I got a VF8 Plus about a month ago and I love it. It’s not without its quirks and frustrations, but it’s very nice to drive overall. I don’t think I’d ever have bought one (or any electric vehicle) if 1: it wasn’t on a ridiculously well priced lease, where not only the monthly payment is attractive, but the cap cost and residual are WAY less expensive than competitors. I can’t see myself not buying it at lease end if not before. 2: I couldn’t fast charge at home and didn’t already own ice vehicles for road trips. I don’t plan on ever taking this on a road trip, but I drive at least 95% of the time around socal, and it works fine for that. I realise this is not the use case for everybody and it would be nice to have convenient charging options.
    Big Francie fan, I pretty much only watch your videos (on this channel). ✌🏽

  • @SuperNamn
    @SuperNamn 5 месяцев назад +2

    Great idea to include your dad in the podcast. His opinions about your VF8 is very real. As an owner of this EV the past 14 months, I really appreciated his honest feedback. I look forward for your next videos with your dad and the VF8 experience.

  • @JHaviland1
    @JHaviland1 6 месяцев назад +6

    I have been charging at home using my 240V/30A circuit for the past 13 months without any problem whereas all the other VF8 owners with 50A circuit have been doing the same thing at their homes just fine. To say that the VF8 can only charge at lower current is NOT correct. The portable charger that comes with the car, however, prefers at most 80% of your home circuits specs so for a 30A circuit, you should not set your current on the VF8 to more than 24A.

  • @PeaceChanel
    @PeaceChanel 6 месяцев назад +4

    Thank You everybody for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤

  • @Mrbfgray
    @Mrbfgray 6 месяцев назад +6

    Nice usefully informative vid. Well done.

    • @heyfrancie
      @heyfrancie 6 месяцев назад

      Thank you for watching :)

  • @tommc3764
    @tommc3764 6 месяцев назад +8

    Since this is a business, it may have 208 Volts available at the outlet. This may not be compatible with the portable Vinfast EVSE. There is no way for the charging equipment to know the maximum current output, in amps, of the outlet since that would be rated by the size of the wire and its insulation.

  • @daneflanigan
    @daneflanigan 6 месяцев назад +8

    Dad seems to like the Vinfast?

  • @someoneelse6934
    @someoneelse6934 6 месяцев назад +2

    I’ve literally never heard of a Vinfast before this video.

  • @RonaldSilcox
    @RonaldSilcox 6 месяцев назад +8

    Input is nominal either 120 ac or 240 ac the out is max limited by EVSE connector. Max circuit required for plug in for 240 vac is 50 amp and output max is 40 amp to car. You may have a setting incorrect or wiring issue in the building wiring. Will need to read faults listing for EVSE.

  • @NGUYEN-TUAN-1975
    @NGUYEN-TUAN-1975 6 месяцев назад +8

    Vinfast VF8 portable charger works fine at 26-28A with 220v line. You can adjust in charge section on screen.

  • @DS-mz7dy
    @DS-mz7dy 6 месяцев назад +2

    Many more DC fast chargers will be coming online very soon after the infrastructure act, but it is taking incredibly long for states get them started.

  • @dianewallace6064
    @dianewallace6064 6 месяцев назад +2

    34:00 Yes, more of Pop. A thousand times yes.

  • @timoliver8940
    @timoliver8940 6 месяцев назад +2

    Francine here where I live in Scotland in the local town of Stirling we have huge potholes in the road AND kerbside charging for those who don’t have the ability to have a home charger - I’m lucky, I have a driveway, solar and a home charger. The small village I live in also has 2 x 7.4kW public charging posts in the car park but they are ridiculously expensive to use but they are both in use all night most nights.

    • @heyfrancie
      @heyfrancie 6 месяцев назад

      I did the NC500 (plus some) in 2022 and was impressed with the charging even along that route! Sounds like some improvement is needed but you all are off to a solid start

  • @Gweeper64
    @Gweeper64 6 месяцев назад +17

    It sounds to me like there is a grounding problem on the new L2 charger at your father's work.

    • @NGUYEN-TUAN-1975
      @NGUYEN-TUAN-1975 6 месяцев назад

      Work fine at 26-28A with 220v because VF8 portable charger is 7.7kwh

    • @ronb4633
      @ronb4633 6 месяцев назад +2

      The point is that the yellow signal has nothing to do with the amperage available on the plug. The charger has no idea what amperage is available. it is only aware of the voltage as well as the grounding situation of the Nema 1450. if I had a voltmeter there, I could find out what is wrong with the way that that plug is wired but sadly I live in California.

  • @lexuslife5491
    @lexuslife5491 6 месяцев назад +10

    Personality and great information is the reason I keep watching 🎉❤

  • @williamconrad1087
    @williamconrad1087 6 месяцев назад +10

    Francie, when your dad is on have him tell us some dad jokes. We love dad jokes.

    • @sparkysho-ze7nm
      @sparkysho-ze7nm 6 месяцев назад +1

      Indeed

    • @heyfrancie
      @heyfrancie 6 месяцев назад +4

      I’ll tell him to start lining them up for the next one ;)

  • @carlosl5766
    @carlosl5766 6 месяцев назад +4

    What is the fine print? What is the total monthly payment

  • @Don.Steve.
    @Don.Steve. 6 месяцев назад +3

    You need a J1772 adapter to allow use of Tesla level 2 chargers.

  • @zzkeokizz
    @zzkeokizz 6 месяцев назад +3

    In Europe parking garages have the CC2 chargers

  • @ConservatEV
    @ConservatEV 6 месяцев назад +3

    We have a lot of chargers at work (they’re installing 400 Chargepoint level 2 chargers… it’s a college campus.) but you have to pay to use them ($1 per hour) and there’s a 4 hour limit, so have to move it partway through the workday. 13:33

    • @dennisschlieckau8723
      @dennisschlieckau8723 6 месяцев назад +1

      Funny, every time I hear someone say they charge at work it always seems to be a college. I’ve suggested several times at my work, through employee surveys to get a half dozen L2 chargers with no success.

    • @FiddleMaker63
      @FiddleMaker63 6 месяцев назад

      Why doesn’t Francie get a Tesla to J1772 plug and use the charger at dads office? This makes as much sense as my co worker that bought a Tesla then charged it at the library rather than get a NEMA 14L50 put in his garage.

    • @dennisschlieckau8723
      @dennisschlieckau8723 6 месяцев назад

      That Franklins sounds like a good interview with the owner.

  • @Paul-cj1wb
    @Paul-cj1wb 6 месяцев назад +9

    LOL. A lifelong Tesla driver accustomed to using 99.96% reliable Superchargers now trying CCS for the first time. What could go wrong?
    I loved her line "they're 50% down a 100% of the times."😂

    • @Oxmustube
      @Oxmustube 6 месяцев назад

      Yogi Berra lives!

    • @Paul-cj1wb
      @Paul-cj1wb 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Oxmustube Yep. And he wears a dress now.

  • @MrGMawson2438
    @MrGMawson2438 6 месяцев назад +8

    Cheers Francie and dad

    • @samatwesu
      @samatwesu 6 месяцев назад +4

      Great to get perspective from both. Especially a person who favors Tesla which will be the current majority of EV owners.

  • @chetsaxton1526
    @chetsaxton1526 6 месяцев назад +3

    This is one reason why I bought 240V charger with 10A/16A/24A/32A output settings built in, but mostly because I have a Bolt that 240v amp setting can't be adjusted.

    • @samatwesu
      @samatwesu 6 месяцев назад

      Agreed. I have a level 2 charger that is software adjustable for charge output (amperage) and it allows accommodating different locations based on their ability.

  • @jamesdelaplain
    @jamesdelaplain 6 месяцев назад +4

    You know I just can't believe we have to wait almost two more years for so many more EVS to come out for one thing and also have the new Tesla Port added inside that car

    • @dennisschlieckau8723
      @dennisschlieckau8723 6 месяцев назад +1

      Changing the charge port to NACS natively takes time. It’s not just the port, it also requires internal system changes and software.

  • @quangvinh1153
    @quangvinh1153 6 месяцев назад +5

    One day in the future, Francie's dad will get VF8 plus. I see the love in his eyes. I'm a man and love mazda style. When i saw vf8 design, mazda style is not the best.

  • @Gazer75
    @Gazer75 6 месяцев назад +1

    @19:00 That is just insane Francie. I'm in my town of maybe 7-8k people we got 5-6 locations, depending on definition, with a total of 34 CCS2 stalls + 12 Tesla V2 stalls open for all. 12 of them are less than 100kW though.

    • @guccisasha
      @guccisasha 6 месяцев назад

      your town must get lots of traffic, hence the multiple dcfc's

    • @Gazer75
      @Gazer75 6 месяцев назад

      @@guccisasha Not really. The sites are usually less than 50% occupied except maybe weekends or typical vacation/holiday times. A bit of queue on the 12 stall Tesla site during Easter this year.
      Most importantly I've seen 3 out of service chargers over the past year across all locations.

  • @bigtenpochet
    @bigtenpochet 6 месяцев назад

    If this is the EVSE supplied by Vinfast, it should pull the max amps the car can receive, no more. Maybe the adapter (120 vs 240 v plug adapters) weren’t pushed in completely. Otherwise, the outlet might not have correct grounding.

  • @michaelwitkiewicz7052
    @michaelwitkiewicz7052 6 месяцев назад +3

    Nice episode! I appreciate your style of podcast and review. Nice pace and feel like I’m part of the conversation.

    • @heyfrancie
      @heyfrancie 6 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed!

  • @eschrad
    @eschrad 6 месяцев назад +1

    Okay, those separate PRND buttons are ridiculous. They take up so much real estate!

    • @tenchubv
      @tenchubv 6 месяцев назад

      Totally agree, I'm owner of VF8, love it but it have many room to improve including PRND buttons. I love Tesla way.

  • @sparkysho-ze7nm
    @sparkysho-ze7nm 4 месяца назад

    Great information greatly appreciate your time soldiers 👍

  • @Json918
    @Json918 6 месяцев назад

    This is truly a groundbreaking car that will go in the history books as one of the best cars ever made. Just look at the quality and elegance of such a beautiful car with lightning quick speed, poise, technology, sophistication, luxury, and a company that will truly take over the auto industry as one of the absolute pinnacle of automotive innovation.
    Which will best the companies like ferrari, porsche, bmw, mercedes benz, bentley, rolls royce, and everybody who dare compete with it's greatness.

    • @rubberroast1598
      @rubberroast1598 5 месяцев назад

      Not sure....is that sarcasm or geniune enthusiasm?

  • @ryansherman4556
    @ryansherman4556 6 месяцев назад +4

    i have a lectron adapter just waiting for gm to release the software also there is rivian and ford have accesses to Tesla chargers right now so you have choices

  • @dianewallace6064
    @dianewallace6064 6 месяцев назад

    Reminds me of me and Mom. My 91 year old mother asks all about Jiselle the Ioniq 6. Why do the grills look funny on EVs--b/c they have no radiators? she asked. Do you side mirrors fold in?, she asked. She is pretty sharp for a 91 year old. She drives my brother's 2016 Chevy Equinox. I drive it also sometimes-it drives nicer than my Impala. I complain to her about lack of charging stations. She says someday they will be everywhere like the gas stations. I personally believe gas stations will start retiring gas pumps and putting charging cabinents in their place.

  • @ChadCourtneyTAZ427
    @ChadCourtneyTAZ427 6 месяцев назад

    The LVL2 EVSE doesn't force feed the current, it's a supply. The LVL2 EVSE can be able to supply 50A, and if the car can only take 32A, the car will only take that 32A because it's the load, and the load determines the current that it will take. There was something else that the Vinfast didn't like with the LVL2, most likely the communication.

  • @BMWI35433
    @BMWI35433 6 месяцев назад +4

    I have a garage and still don't have power to charge my I3 lol My apartment complex doesn't have power in their garages lol

  • @dianewallace6064
    @dianewallace6064 6 месяцев назад +1

    Francie and Springroll!!! And Dad. My favorites. Shout out to Rafiki.

  • @johnpoldo8817
    @johnpoldo8817 6 месяцев назад +1

    Sorry dad, your Vinfast charging problem could not be caused by too much current available at receptacle. I think the Tesla Wall Connector only requires wires L1, L2, & ground. Your Vinfast EVSE may require these 3 wires plus Common, often a white wire.

  • @chaudcola
    @chaudcola 6 месяцев назад +1

    Hey @Francie, another RUclipsr posted a video about charging then VF8, it is in Canada. It is interesting how the experience is different:
    ruclips.net/video/rpGY_LmQHtk/видео.htmlsi=iOSCCtlWRp2vw5wI
    Also, nobody talks about the voice command of the VF8, is it working properly? You should do a video about it.
    Keep on the good work!

  • @anhemta6979
    @anhemta6979 6 месяцев назад +2

    Francie VF8 2023 has 7.5k state incentive discount costs 249$ per month. The Tesla 2023 price was reduced by Elon 30K plus 7.5 K state incentive to cost about 40K . Now the VInfast VF8 2024 as imported car is priced at 45K with no 7.5K
    state incentive . You can lease it now for $429 per month for 36 months. If ypu can wait until 2025 when VInfast produces many VFs in North Carolina, you can get the state incentive reduction for 7.5K . You can expect to lease a VF8 in 2025 for $249 a month for 36 months. VF8 is an excellent for UBER

    • @kevinle5810
      @kevinle5810 5 месяцев назад

      ...If it doesn't die on you or you don't die in it 🤷‍♂️

    • @anhemta6979
      @anhemta6979 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@kevinle5810 Vinfast car uses the same most advanced battery CATL from China as Tesla and BYD. Tesla and BYD cars are lighter cars by thousand pounds and have a weaker frame than Vinfast car. All electric cars are prone to electric fire in case of severe collisions no exception .

  • @MrGMawson2438
    @MrGMawson2438 6 месяцев назад +6

    Good evening Francie that is in France 😀

  • @dianewallace6064
    @dianewallace6064 6 месяцев назад

    24:00 I like the train horn in the background. I LOVE trains. My other nerdy hobby.

  • @pauldobson9379
    @pauldobson9379 6 месяцев назад

    There is some confusion on how electric circuits work. How much juice is pulled is always and only determined my the load (car, charger, etc). If the load tries to pull more than the circuit is rated, the breaker pops. A 50 amp circuit is perfect if you pull a max of 38 amps because you shouldn't have a continuous load more than 80% of what the circuit is rated.

  • @dianewallace6064
    @dianewallace6064 6 месяцев назад

    18:00 Bummer that Rivian Service Center was closed.

  • @thanhthanhtungnguyen8536
    @thanhthanhtungnguyen8536 6 месяцев назад +2

    such a great podcast and great personality, Francie.

  • @spacep0d
    @spacep0d 5 месяцев назад

    The non-Tesla chargers are so bad. I experienced this with my LEAF. World of difference with the Tesla Supercharging Network.

  • @simonthebroken9691
    @simonthebroken9691 6 месяцев назад +4

    Hi Francie's Dad. Thanks for the content.

  • @dianewallace6064
    @dianewallace6064 6 месяцев назад

    19:00 Terrible about that EA charging station. Totally unacceptable and yet what can be done? Maybe when all EV manufacturers rate the charging stations (like Rivian started to do) then we will start to see charging stations being repaired.

  • @someoneelse6934
    @someoneelse6934 6 месяцев назад

    You keep qualifying the $250 a month and allude that it’s more due to “the fine print”. How much more is it in total?

  • @billysturgeon8616
    @billysturgeon8616 6 месяцев назад +3

    Your dad did a great job. Also, how much trouble is it for you to get a new place to live that is EV friendly, because if it suddenly make you get rid of your dog then you would be gone without much thought.

    • @laloajuria4678
      @laloajuria4678 6 месяцев назад +3

      almost zero apt with charging in area.

    • @heyfrancie
      @heyfrancie 6 месяцев назад

      I love where I live but I’m one of many who just don’t have access like others do. Hard to get I guess if you don’t experience it yourself!

  • @dianewallace6064
    @dianewallace6064 6 месяцев назад

    5:00 I can turn my Ioniq 6 down to 28 amps (or 43 amps) from 48 amps because it will overheat and stop charging when AC charging at 48 amps.

  • @cbenson513
    @cbenson513 6 месяцев назад +3

    In the U.S. EV trips with a Tesla is like business class flying. EV trips with non-Teslas is like long-distance bus travel, lol. 2-3 yers and it will likely be better, but I would not buy a non-Tesla until then unless it would be used just for local travel.

  • @APMC100
    @APMC100 6 месяцев назад +1

    Francie, don’t let EA represent the rest of public CCS charging stations. I have much better experience with EVGo, ChargePoint…. etc

    • @dianewallace6064
      @dianewallace6064 6 месяцев назад

      Francie has said in other videos that the EA is the only fast charger in her home town so no EVGo or ChargePoint fast chargers in her town to my understanding.

  • @gocnhinvutru
    @gocnhinvutru 6 месяцев назад +3

    Thanks for nice talk show with dady

  • @guccisasha
    @guccisasha 6 месяцев назад +1

    Pls ask your dad if he felt like stepping back in time when he got into this a don't know what to call it ev,.... he's smart, stuck with tesla.

  • @Trump02
    @Trump02 6 месяцев назад +1

    A lot of people buy Tesla because of it supercharge network. I don’t think this car worth the price , maybe if they discount around 30-35k it will be ok

    • @someoneelse6934
      @someoneelse6934 6 месяцев назад +1

      My 2024 Model Y was $42k a month ago. They are even cheaper now. If they discounted it $30k, it would be $12k. lol. Good luck with that.

    • @dianewallace6064
      @dianewallace6064 6 месяцев назад

      The model Ys are starting at $29,490 per the Tesla website.

  • @dianewallace6064
    @dianewallace6064 6 месяцев назад

    32:00 filling station. LOVE that. Makes me smile and think of my late Father.

  • @laloajuria4678
    @laloajuria4678 6 месяцев назад +1

    10:34 curbside parking for ppl in europe, in apartments, in dense cities, who dont have money, with no garage......your dad literally is just describing you in more steps....

  • @kevinle5810
    @kevinle5810 5 месяцев назад

    Just like 2-3 months ago, a friendly reminder again please don't let your dog ride on that dangerous car

  • @Mrbfgray
    @Mrbfgray 6 месяцев назад +1

    Won't be long before apartments near universally have charging available, it's too easy for the value to tenants not to.
    Street side has limited easy electric from streetlight columns in many cases, before LED lights the power consumption was 5 or 10X higher, so those have the circuitry to handle modest extra load. (not new, done in Euro)

    • @laloajuria4678
      @laloajuria4678 6 месяцев назад +1

      nah, too many poor ppl....

    • @Mrbfgray
      @Mrbfgray 6 месяцев назад

      @@laloajuria4678 BEVs will be the *only* choice for peasants who use a car much, in say 3 yrs, they will benefit the most from this transition.

  • @markfitzpatrick6692
    @markfitzpatrick6692 6 месяцев назад +4

    Yes ea should fix the charger but no they shouldn’t be blamed for your city not having charging. There are other charging companies as you know. Maybe call your old friends at EVgo and get them to install a charger there. Kyle has good luck getting ea to do things for him. He got the Loveland ea location upgraded to new ea units . Really quick. I started 9 years ago with no dc fast charging in a 900,000 people city now we have a lot. We only had a 4 stall Tesla location. Other companies need to step up too not just rely on Tesla 😮or ea for all their needs..we now have lots of ChargePoint cp 250. A few new ev go delta locations. Kyle used the Hilliard Ohio location on his lucid cannonball. And I see you used the downtown EVgo location in Kyle’s rivian. We have shell recharge , ev connect and our electric company supports evs.

  • @dennislyon5412
    @dennislyon5412 6 месяцев назад

    From Plugshare, there are public (maybe) Chargepoint chargers at an East side (Memphis) Mercedes dealer, plus some EA chargers about ready to fire up at a Target store near there. Tanger outlet S of Memphis has several L2 chargers, but they appear to be free, so could have constant use. With new Target chargers coming online, things are looking up for you, Francie?

    • @sparkysho-ze7nm
      @sparkysho-ze7nm 6 месяцев назад

      Tanger outlet @ church rd /I-55

    • @sparkysho-ze7nm
      @sparkysho-ze7nm 6 месяцев назад

      Tesla chargers @ Burger King hwy 302 west of airways

  • @mikeintampa250
    @mikeintampa250 6 месяцев назад

    How does the level 2 portable charger plug into both a 220 and a 110? Isn't it a different plug?

  • @CheddarKungPao
    @CheddarKungPao 6 месяцев назад +1

    Tesla could add magic docks to a supercharger location in Chattanooga. That is probably the fastest path to helping the terrible situation EA has created.

    • @laloajuria4678
      @laloajuria4678 6 месяцев назад +1

      how does that help memphis?....

    • @CheddarKungPao
      @CheddarKungPao 6 месяцев назад

      @@laloajuria4678 I got confused which city they were in, same thing but for Memphis.

  • @samatwesu
    @samatwesu 6 месяцев назад +4

    The car is impressive for $250 a month.

  • @MrGMawson2438
    @MrGMawson2438 6 месяцев назад +3

    34:25 You and dad look great keep that pic

  • @drnews12
    @drnews12 6 месяцев назад

    Advertiser and nutral persn! Two different pple😊😊

  • @johnpoldo8817
    @johnpoldo8817 6 месяцев назад

    Dad says, “When you give it gas, it goes.” Breaking the habit of calling it a gas pedal instead of accelerator is difficult.

    • @sparkysho-ze7nm
      @sparkysho-ze7nm 6 месяцев назад +1

      True dat

    • @dianewallace6064
      @dianewallace6064 6 месяцев назад +1

      OOS Dave says, "give it the beans". My husband says accelerator pedal instead of gas pedal for his Rivian R1T.

    • @johnpoldo8817
      @johnpoldo8817 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@dianewallace6064 Either Dave or son Kyle coined the phrase, “Give it the beans!”

    • @dianewallace6064
      @dianewallace6064 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@johnpoldo8817 Yup. Give it the beans.

  • @FernandoMiguel
    @FernandoMiguel 6 месяцев назад

    "People in europe are poor"

  • @robertgamble7497
    @robertgamble7497 6 месяцев назад +2

    Tesla’s FSD (supervised) will automatically steer to the left (or right) when driving next to a semi, or a work truck, or even another vehicle which is driving too close to the line.

    • @blazure101
      @blazure101 6 месяцев назад +3

      Right but Francie was pointing out a manual adjustment, which apparently VinFast and Ford do. Sometimes in my Tesla I want more control even if driver assist will do it automatically for me, just like I can hit the accelerator when it hesitates around a semi.

    • @robertgamble7497
      @robertgamble7497 6 месяцев назад

      @@blazure101 understood.

  • @sparkysho-ze7nm
    @sparkysho-ze7nm 6 месяцев назад

    At 19 : sommin uve never seen any new one vs in FRAYSER HA…… a tourist!!

    • @sparkysho-ze7nm
      @sparkysho-ze7nm 6 месяцев назад

      Only oneS YA see in S. Memphis are STOLEN YEHEHE

  • @sparkysho-ze7nm
    @sparkysho-ze7nm 6 месяцев назад

    Ur dad getting bucket seats or no

    • @sparkysho-ze7nm
      @sparkysho-ze7nm 4 месяца назад

      Ur dad knows best 120volts 30 amp trickle charging is best

  • @MrGMawson2438
    @MrGMawson2438 6 месяцев назад +3

    Tesla isn't just a car brand

    • @quangvinh1153
      @quangvinh1153 6 месяцев назад +2

      The same in vietnam with vinfast. Only one tesla Model 3 is on vietnam road :D

  • @sparkysho-ze7nm
    @sparkysho-ze7nm 6 месяцев назад

    FRANCIE see if ur dad wants to go in w/us ona solar farm for charaties near hickory hill an Holmes @ 30%……… it’s charatible deduction

  • @dandaigle4546
    @dandaigle4546 6 месяцев назад +2

    liked the content

    • @heyfrancie
      @heyfrancie 6 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for tuning in 😊

  • @charleshayden1400
    @charleshayden1400 6 месяцев назад +2

    F, YOU are wonderful at this, AND you have excellent DNA, obviously. WTH is with E/A? I remember an interview you did some time ago with two E/A Execs, and THEY TALKED A REAL GOOD GAME, eh? Memphis situation is ridiculous, and it is typical all over the U.S. Your Dad correctly sees OPPORTUNITY. ICE is obviously in death-throes, but “selling imagination” to sleeping people is tough. You and O of S are doing great work for the planet, and . . . WE ARE WINNING. 🎯❤️🙏🏻🫡