whats a 9950X ? I get all my tech news from reputable Dawid sources, and not Linus the hate-filled shill \ PS Portal apologizer. And my news source tells me nothing about 9950X, which is likely fake news invented by Linus as a way to shill for the PS Portal some more. You fell for it, not me. Linus is also a lizard-person. When he laughs, his pupils turn jet black.
@@nasko235679And it's very similar scenario, because when 7700K launched AMD didn't really had anything to compete, and the only thing Intel had up to this point is basically killing itself, no competition, people will buy ryzen anyway.
Logitech's really missing a trick by not just sticking a sensor they already make into mice they already make and flogging them as an ergonomic gaming item. Perhaps they should get on that instead of trying to make their mice into a ****ing subscription service.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Just putting some fresh leaded solder (best one with integrated flux) on the existing lead-free factory solder will make it flow a lot better. Even at lower temps.
For tough solder joint removal, if you use a soldering iron and add some low melt lead solder and some flux, it will make the solder removal waaaay easier. From factory, they tend to use high temp tin alloy solder.
I know several people who use the MX vertical to game, feels like there could be an actual market for this. I don’t think it would be super difficult for logitech to put their own gaming sensors and switches into an MX vertical.
@@_Dandy_S Vertical Gaming Mice are such an untapped market. Once you get used to the grip, it's actually far better for FPS games and even some osu. Gamers just don't wanna try it cause "nobody uses them", not realizing it's actually a superior grip even if you don't have carpal tunnel.
For real, there is a market for it and this video made me realize it. Now I'm curious to try it out, but there is no gaming vertical mouse that's wireless.
So, fun fact that a few 3d printing channels have gone over: Carbon fiber filament is not for ANYTHING you are going to be touching. it sheds the carbon fibers as you touch them and drives them into your skin or sheds them into the air where you can inhale them and they can mess up your lungs. If you clear coat it, its only fine until the coating wears away. To make matters worse, the structural benefits of Carbon-fiber are basically nothing in most cases - in actuality, it tends to make the plastics weaker while adding a little bit of stiffness that makes it seem stronger then it is to a casual user. So for most people, using this is exposing yourself to a health hazard for no reason.
Asbestos printer filament when. I wouldn't at all be surprised if there was some shady Chinese company making asbestos printer filament and passing it off as glass fiber or something else.
@GGigabiteM problem would likely be the melting point of asbestos, which is very high and kinda the point of it, why it was used so much. But then again, metal printers exist already... still, that won't hit the consumer market anytime soon. Thank goodness.
@@philtkaswahl2124 I'm not in tune with wha't'''s being alluded to here but the notion of a carved oar battle sounds pretty cool ... care to explain what it's all about and if it was video'd? :P
@@michaelrobinson9643 Miyamoto Musashi is an actual historical Japanese swordsman. We're just talking like he's a gamer and the things he did (like fighting someone who challenged him to a duel with an oar) like game feats.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff make sure you wear some breathing protection and ventilation if you plan on doing that since the carbon fibre in the lungs ain't fun
It was amusing to see you going straight to trying carbon reinforced filament. I tend to use PLA till I get a project how I want it, before switching to something more expensive,harder to print with, or abrasive for the final part/s. That said 3d printers are handy for case modding. I have a Thermaltake from 2007 that I like. I used my 3D printer and fusion 360 to make a new front panel connector bracket/clamp for it. Replaced the USB2 ports with USB3, and the Firewire port with a USB-C port. I'm planning to make some fan shrouds for it too, and RGB light holders.
A tip for future projects, if you cant remove the component because the solder is not melting, try putting some fresh new one on top, it helps removing the old solder
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Next time. Since you havre the dual filament addon, try using two different filaments for the supports and the model. PETG for the model and PLA for the supports. They dont bond to each other so they can be removed without a problem.
A tip for desoldering components is actually to *add* low melt (i.e. leaded) solder to it to mix and lower the overall melting point before removal. Companies can't use leaded so the solder they use has a really high melt point, which is what make desoldering a pain. Also your wood burning sized iron tip is the stuff of nightmares 😀
Don't listen to all the comments telling you to sand your mouse, chemical smoothing is a much better method. It actually fuses the surface print layers which cause the roughness in the first place, doesn't take ages of some *very* boring work (with sanding it's either that or risking flat spots/dents when you start with something a little more coarse) Keep in mind though for pla acetone doesn't work, but ethyl acetate is a good alternative as it's decently safe and has a high enough vapor pressure to do a vapor bath. If that sounds too complicated you can also just dunk your print into some diluted sodium hydroxide for a few seconds and still get better results than with sanding 🙃
Part 2 when?? Love to see you try wireless charging and rechargeable batteries!! Then when your done, just place it on a USB wireless charger. Also were you going with white? If not, reprint it in a different color filament, or sand it and paint it! Either way, love the custom mouse! I need to try this.. my hand also cramps after hours of Photoshop or video editing..
Side note, handling carbon fiber filament without gloves is not a great idea since it embeds micro fibers into your skin. Additionally, if you bothered to sand, prime, and paint the new mouse the it would probably feel a lot nicer & be more durable to hold then just the bare plastic.
the slicer software should have settings for exactly how much of a gap there is between the tree supports and the surface above them, so it seems your setting is too close, causing them to be bonded too well. set the gap slightly larger, and test it with a smaller print then adjust the size of the gap until it becomes easy to remove.
Bambu printers are an excellent way to dive into 3D printing. I am not shilling. Also, I've been using vertical mouses for 14 years and I'd never switch back
You have a 3d printer now, you can 3d print "helping hands" to hold the wires and PCB's while you solder. It makes life ALOT easier. Yes you can just buy them, but printing them is cheap and fun. It's also a good way to familiarise yourself with your slicer and level up your printing skill.
I think it's awesome that you built a custom mouse, but it did leave me wondering, is it possible to just replace the original sensor in that vertical mouse you had?
yeah.. soldering is a skill takes so much practice. I remember changing my switches, once i found that one youtuber who said 'do it this way' (add soldering to the switches makes it easier to remove the old soldering ) that made getting those damns switches off 10000000000% easier.
I switched to using a vertical mouse for work. Absolutely a great decision, it's just so comfortable to use! Not had any wrist or elbow pain since. I do still use a normal mouse for gaming though and I hate it.
Impressive stuff, Dawid! I really like the MX Vertical too. I get why it hasn't happened, but I'm still a little surprised no one's really gone for developing an official gamer vert mouse yet.
Since you have an AMS on the printer, little trick: PLA and PETG don't like to bond, so if you use one for the part and the other for supports they separate REALLY easily. Or get a spool of PVA for supports, it dissolves in water. Oh, and I think gaming with "office" mice isn't that bad. I'm using an MX Ergo (a trackball) and it works fine. Though I have to say that I don't play shooters.
Looks like you were using glue on the print bed. Ive never once needed it with my Bambu printers. Just make sure the bed is clean and go, works for me every time.
In some instances you might use a short spray with stuff like 3DLAC. It also works wonders with print surfaces that are sticking way too hard in combination with certain materials (that is maybe unexpected but very handy). The 3DLAC spray is easy removable with some lukewarm water, so you won't end up with a messy print surface. And a one time short spray is enough for several prints in a row. I bought one can more than a year ago and it's still not empty. You can, of course, use any other brand. This is just the experience I have with this brand.
The Great Linus? Well, Torvalds isn't really known as a hardware guy, AFAIK. If by "great" you instead mean "small, squeaky and annoying", then that guy hasn't really built anything, has he?
If you take on the process again get some low temperature solder and put a little bit on the hard to remove solder joints and then when you use your de-soldering gun it will be much easier to remove all of the solder from the joint. This is a trick we use in electronics repair for temp sensitive components, thin boards and stubborn joints.
or look up some videos on desoldering. using a thick gauge metall wire to spread the heat across all the pins, and then puling the part seems to be a very effective method, then the desolder gun helps pull out any solder left in the holes.
Oh and another thing ! You can spray and coat the mouse with Plasti Dip to give it a rubber texture. Watch out for the button joints though. You could also give it a last, distant short psst to get a slightly bumpy grip texture. If you dont like it then you can just peel it off. Do atleast 3 coats though.
This is awesome! Combining several of my interests in a Dawid video. Very surprised your filament needed drying that badly. Also, surprisingly printing on a wobbly table like that generally has very little impact on print quality. Great stuff! Seems like you learned a lot.
Oh nice, got that Bambu Lab sponsorship! And you got their flagship printer. Awesome. I have a Bambu Lab A1 and love it. Just a tip for the printer, alot of people print feet for it and place it on paver stones or bricks, some with a rubber anti-vibration matt, to help keep it stabilized and subsequently improve print quality. Recalibrate it after doing this too. Would be worth looking into!
Awesome project! From the title I thought you had a crack at Bambulab's 3D-printed mouse kit, so it was a pleasant surprise to to see that you used an actual gaming mouse. Carbon Fibre based filament was definitely not a good choice for a mouse, a lot of tests show that most tend to shed microscopic carbon fibres and these get embedded in your skin - pretty inconvenient for a mouse.
What I want is that MX vertical, but smaller. It's just too large for me and that's a pity, because I like the idea. I had the same issue with the MX Ergo trackball. Went for an M575 in the end.
In addition to using dry filament, you probably need to re-run calibration if you changed the surface the printer is standing on - it has movement and vibration compensation built in that is defined largely during the calibration. It was probably trying to compensate for movement that stopped being there when you moved it to the floor as well.
If you are getting wrist pain from mere mouse usage, your desk is too high. Consider a slideout under desk keyboard+mouse tray. Im in my early 40s I've never had carpal tunnel or any wrist or hand pain in my entire life unless literally had a recent biking tumble. I have to wreath things around at work, also as a cook and gardener by hobby. Back in the early 2000s noticed my wrists didnt like being much higher than my waist while using a mouse, it caused a dull ache. 20 years later seems they were telling me something important.
Well - you always can higher or lower your chair (if you have a bit good one). A rule of thumb is that when you place your elbow on the desk, and make a fist and let your chin rest on that fist, you should look straight forward. If you look up or down, your height has to be adjusted.
Good video. Just a note, the X1 has a feature that you can use it as a filament dryer. You put the filament inside the printer and then use the feature to dry it out. After it's dry, you can put it in the AMS unit, and assuming you have desiccant int he AMS unit you should be good for the print.
DUDE! This is rad! I have horrible wrists from working detail intensive labor work my whole life and have been looking for a vertical gaming mouse forever. I may have to copy this!
I would definitely do some post-printing work on that mouse, at the minimum sanding and fixing it, best would be to also prime and (spray) paint it. That will increase the longevity of the mouse, and improve haptics. Also, painting would make it look pretty! And it's fun. ... This reminds me of the two projects I still have to perform some post printing work. *sighs*
Awesomesauce video Dawid!! Your 2nd step to solve your puney carpal tunnel problem, get an arm support from Vivo. I tried one at work. OMG, so much less pain!!!
Well that was cool. We definitely need a part 2 on this. Fix the clicking issue and figure out a better(less sweaty) material for the shell, or maybe a simple paint job could remedy that. If all else fails you could just cover it in those mouse grip tape things lol.
Tip for 3d printing: the thing on top is for multiple materials. Colors are cool and all, buuuut… PLA and PETG don’t bond, meaning that you can make something with one material, and supports with the other and the removal will be easy peasy.
Material wise, ABS or PETG would be more suitable than PLA. Especially long-term, as PLA will deform under constant pressure or warmth over about 40°C. But the best option would be a two-part design where the bits you touch are cladded in TPU. Which is a material that sees medial use and is generally very durable. While the porous nature of 3D-prints doesn't apply to that degree, I have had a 3D printed wrist-rest in the stuff last for well over a year now. The food- and skin-safety arguments online are overblown, considering that more porous wooden spoons and nylon watch-bands are fine too.
I'd recommend using ABS filament feels much nicer in the hand and it has higher temp resistance than PLA so you can also use it for computer parts. Only downside is that ABS get a little stinky and for bigger parts it might start to warp. Oh yeah you can also vapour smooth ABS parts in acetone it becomes well..... smooth :P If you want super easy support removal with PLA use PETG for the support material (and vice versa). Those materials are incompatible with each other and won't stick! ABS and PETG are very compatable so if you want to use them for color prints or multi material prints.
Many RUclipsrs I watch put fresh flux and then solder on and only then remove the old solder point. This is supposed to help it flow better. Try that next time. Probably lead free from the factory so you need to use that as well.
Yup, learned this trick when I first started soldering. Leaded solder is best for this, modern PCBs don't use it and it's a higher melting point so a pain to remove.
This was a super interesting video! I love seeing practical applications of additive printing. I had another interesting video suggestion for you Dawid: Can you create a setup that would allow you to fry an egg on the heat generated from a PC? I did some research and I think it would be possible but I think that only you could actually try something like this.
A cool tip for 3d printing is to use petg as an interface for pla, and vice versa, it should break free a lot easer and you dont have to mess with dedicated support material just make sure to up your flush volumes co you dont get contamination. Alternatively there are also disolvable supports that can help with some of the more difficult prints.
I can relate so much with you suffering, I bought all the tools needed for soldering, desoldering, etc.. but it has been a painful process so far. Still on my journey ...
If you want to smooth out the shell I suggest reprinting in a material similar to Polysmooth. Once it’s done you just suspend it in a box with some IPA at the bottom and have the fumes smooth it out. Also in your case while using the AMS you may want to consider getting a cheap spool of petg and using that as a support interface material. Reason being is pla can’t bind to petg so the supports just come right off.
There's one thing to be said about 3D printing though: you will become INCREDIBLE at problem-solving. Particularly structural problems that aren't really problems.
These were challenging prints due to the thin walls, but I wonder if a Prusa printer would have had better luck in printing the mouse parts. Next to personally preferring the brand, their machines are more optimised for accurate and reliable printing, over speed. Though the filament dryer definitely made the bigger difference here. For the supports in the battery compartment, perhaps the old-school rectilinear support style would work better? Though I do not know whether these can be combined with organic supports.
Heeeyyy, we're filament drier buddies! tbh, that never solved my problems... it was finally getting a hotbox to retain a bit of heat but mostly block any wayward air conditioner wind from unevenly cooling the print.
This shows how difficult an actual product development is. "So much effort to build a mouse" ppl would say.. The effort put in is just great.. Kudos to the bun..
That was a really diff video. Bigups on ya for doing such a challenge lol Have a buddy who does some 3d printing and ye man, taking out those supports is REAL lmfao Must've learned alot over the weeks, growing is always good heh ~a random canadian subscriber dude
Next time since you got the AMS, try using PETG as support with PLA because it doesn't bond well with PLA. It's a trick i learned over the years of 3d printing
Dawid I don’t think you’ve ever built a keeb before! You gotta do that someday and hit every budget like $50, $100, $500 or even higher. I’d love to see what kind of silliness you’d put together
Speaking of the Dark Ages!! You all still use Mice you have to pick up and slide around on a mat!! How Barbaric! LOL! Been using a Logi ERGO M575 for Years! Should try it sometime Dawid!
nice build. though i think it would have been far better design to go with a "gun handle" shaped vertical mouse. The vertical mouse, while you can get used to it, it will pretty much always have the issue of mouse clicks causing the bod of the mouse to move slightly because of the way youre now clicking sideways, and not down into the mouse. which is fine for office work, but for gaming. Personally i think an even better solution is to off load all the buttons to your left hand with something like the azeron controller, which also gives you thumbstick based movement. and then youre just aiming with your right hand, so not pressing the fire button with your right hand prevents any mouse movement when pressing the fire button with your left hand.
STL files are used in CAD, but contain no information but the mesh. I have used STLs to generate a model around them and that works great if the model is not that complex. It is good that you have entered the 3D printing world. And it is true that filament drying is important, even if the filament came sealed. You will have a better quality, less stringy print. I want to see part two or an update with the mouse "fixed", because I think it is a great idea to fit a good mouse hardware into other shapes, not the first time I have seen it, but it is the first time I see that Logitech ergonomic mouse shape being used for it.
Compare it to a great Canadian product, the Ploopy mouse. And while your are at it, try their Adept trackball. My Corne keyboard has Zeal switches... My portable keyboard is a Corn-ish Zen, another great Canadian product.
I’m jealous my first printer was a VoxLab Aquila, and the assembly was way more challenging. Currently it’s collecting dust due to the extruder being gummed up.
Every hobby this guy gets into, I also happen to just get into aswell. VR, sim racing and now 3d printing. Love that u read that comment from last vid too about the hair lol
I use a Lift to play and is the best gaming mouse I always had. The "semi-infinite" wheel scroll almost makes me forget about my Hero G502. I'm left-handed, you can picture me using a mouse the wrong way since 2006.
having done some mouse modding, i know that you gotta love that feeling when it goes together and works! - this was a cool video, maybe a v2 follow up with different materials?
Vertical mice reason isn't really to lift arm up some(even though that does help too), its more for the fact if you put arm in way to hold a normal mouse your two bones in lower arm actually twist some allowing the pinching of the median nerve. As its not exactly the "normal" position they are meant to be in. While if you a vertical one, it keeps arm in position that its meant to be allowing the bones to "sit" straight and not ending up "twist-pinch." While at same time usually designed to keep arm straight with hand so you don't have the forms of placement of the wrist that too can lead to Carpal tunnel syndrome. But it's all pointless if your desk (normal or sit/stand) isn't at right level to position arm correctly. But we really do need some nice vertical gaming mice, they're just so much nicer for you over a normal mouse; even if doesn't feel "normal" first few times of using.
Recently my brothers and I started watching Scissor Seven, where the main character has the same top hairpluck which you had here. A coincidence, but a funny one. About halfway the series so far, it's quite surprising in positive ways.
Try some grip tape to solve the finish of the plastic issue. Recommend the pulsar pre cut universal supergrip stuff. Guessing it's kinda heavy, some X-raypad jade donut mouse skates probs help with the glide.
Damnit...you're so right! I just tilted my arm and wrist into this verical positiona and it feels so much more comfortable. I don't need it for gaming...but for work actually. Searching now.
Using a soldering gun, wick and flux is better then a desoldering gun. Also, the "giant" soldering tip you used makes soldering much harder for precise work, you need a much smaller tip.
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Keep at it, that's what we like !
whats a 9950X ?
I get all my tech news from reputable Dawid sources, and not Linus the hate-filled shill \ PS Portal apologizer.
And my news source tells me nothing about 9950X, which is likely fake news invented by Linus as a way to shill for the PS Portal some more. You fell for it, not me. Linus is also a lizard-person. When he laughs, his pupils turn jet black.
It's the most boring launch since the Intel 7700K so Dawid's made the right choice 😂
@@nasko235679 I'm really hoping we don't fall into a another quad core dark age.
@@nasko235679And it's very similar scenario, because when 7700K launched AMD didn't really had anything to compete, and the only thing Intel had up to this point is basically killing itself, no competition, people will buy ryzen anyway.
We wouldn't have it any other way
Logitech's really missing a trick by not just sticking a sensor they already make into mice they already make and flogging them as an ergonomic gaming item. Perhaps they should get on that instead of trying to make their mice into a ****ing subscription service.
Just buy bloody (brand name) mice
But but it has AI in it 😥
pay per click
He did the pony tail!!
It's not a PONY tail, silly boy. It's called a Pine Apple. Sorry my ex wife is a hairdresser, and I normally don't comment on men's looks
Pony fail
Hell yeah Dawid!!! You did it!
Watch out, Gamers Nexus!
Get the garden shears!!
Your solder iron could use a smaller wedge tip for such small components.
@@robson668 For sure. I thought I had one but when I whipped out the soldering iron I realized I need to get one.
I concur!
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Just putting some fresh leaded solder (best one with integrated flux) on the existing lead-free factory solder will make it flow a lot better. Even at lower temps.
Oh, don't be rude. All sizes are ok if you know how to handle them.
For tough solder joint removal, if you use a soldering iron and add some low melt lead solder and some flux, it will make the solder removal waaaay easier. From factory, they tend to use high temp tin alloy solder.
@@kulilin3104 That was what my wizard sensai suggested. I didn't have any flux but I ended up adding fresh solder and it helped.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff may I ask what model desoldering gun you are using? I've been on the lookout for a decent one.
@@kulilin3104 just reddit it, Google it or YT it
@@kulilin3104 You can try Anesty, Yihua, or the one most people use, Hakko. Goodluck!
@@kulilin3104 you need a Hakko FR-301
I know several people who use the MX vertical to game, feels like there could be an actual market for this. I don’t think it would be super difficult for logitech to put their own gaming sensors and switches into an MX vertical.
@@_Dandy_S Vertical Gaming Mice are such an untapped market. Once you get used to the grip, it's actually far better for FPS games and even some osu. Gamers just don't wanna try it cause "nobody uses them", not realizing it's actually a superior grip even if you don't have carpal tunnel.
In my case even with the mx ergo :P
For real, there is a market for it and this video made me realize it. Now I'm curious to try it out, but there is no gaming vertical mouse that's wireless.
Hopefully Keychron, who’s been pumping out no frills Razer and Logitech clones, makes a vertical mouse.
So, fun fact that a few 3d printing channels have gone over: Carbon fiber filament is not for ANYTHING you are going to be touching. it sheds the carbon fibers as you touch them and drives them into your skin or sheds them into the air where you can inhale them and they can mess up your lungs. If you clear coat it, its only fine until the coating wears away.
To make matters worse, the structural benefits of Carbon-fiber are basically nothing in most cases - in actuality, it tends to make the plastics weaker while adding a little bit of stiffness that makes it seem stronger then it is to a casual user. So for most people, using this is exposing yourself to a health hazard for no reason.
its almost like fibered substances are sharp and dont like being in our lungs...I wonder if we've been down this route before
@@theq4602 Only at least twice before ;)
Try using PCCF from Průša. It's made differently so it won't kill you while you print it.
Asbestos printer filament when.
I wouldn't at all be surprised if there was some shady Chinese company making asbestos printer filament and passing it off as glass fiber or something else.
@GGigabiteM problem would likely be the melting point of asbestos, which is very high and kinda the point of it, why it was used so much. But then again, metal printers exist already... still, that won't hit the consumer market anytime soon. Thank goodness.
I didn't know Musashi Miyamoto was a gamer
Dude once beat another dude in a duel with a carved oar instead of a sword. Clearly unlocking a weapon challenge achievement.
Obviously a gamer.
@@philtkaswahl2124 Yeah that is some next level gamer behaviour.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff did somebody cast you for the kenzan remake?
@@philtkaswahl2124 I'm not in tune with wha't'''s being alluded to here but the notion of a carved oar battle sounds pretty cool ... care to explain what it's all about and if it was video'd? :P
@@michaelrobinson9643 Miyamoto Musashi is an actual historical Japanese swordsman. We're just talking like he's a gamer and the things he did (like fighting someone who challenged him to a duel with an oar) like game feats.
Sounds like everyone’s first experience with 3D printing. You should also get some fine grit sandpaper to polish the finished print to get it smooth.😂
@@hammersampson That's a good suggestion. It might be a good way to smooth out the PLA CF.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Or use acetone.
Awesome video as always
@@Njazmothat’s for ABS not for PLA.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff make sure you wear some breathing protection and ventilation if you plan on doing that since the carbon fibre in the lungs ain't fun
It was amusing to see you going straight to trying carbon reinforced filament.
I tend to use PLA till I get a project how I want it, before switching to something more expensive,harder to print with, or abrasive for the final part/s.
That said 3d printers are handy for case modding. I have a Thermaltake from 2007 that I like. I used my 3D printer and fusion 360 to make a new front panel connector bracket/clamp for it. Replaced the USB2 ports with USB3, and the Firewire port with a USB-C port.
I'm planning to make some fan shrouds for it too, and RGB light holders.
A tip for future projects, if you cant remove the component because the solder is not melting, try putting some fresh new one on top, it helps removing the old solder
Next time. Since you havre the dual filament addon, try using two different filaments for the supports and the model. PETG for the model and PLA for the supports. They dont bond to each other so they can be removed without a problem.
A tip for desoldering components is actually to *add* low melt (i.e. leaded) solder to it to mix and lower the overall melting point before removal. Companies can't use leaded so the solder they use has a really high melt point, which is what make desoldering a pain.
Also your wood burning sized iron tip is the stuff of nightmares 😀
Dawid like the most humble guy ever on youtube.
@@theicewitch9328 I'm actually super arrogant in real life.
Lol you can't even lie😂@@DawidDoesTechStuff
Don't listen to all the comments telling you to sand your mouse, chemical smoothing is a much better method.
It actually fuses the surface print layers which cause the roughness in the first place, doesn't take ages of some *very* boring work (with sanding it's either that or risking flat spots/dents when you start with something a little more coarse)
Keep in mind though for pla acetone doesn't work, but ethyl acetate is a good alternative as it's decently safe and has a high enough vapor pressure to do a vapor bath.
If that sounds too complicated you can also just dunk your print into some diluted sodium hydroxide for a few seconds and still get better results than with sanding 🙃
Part 2 when??
Love to see you try wireless charging and rechargeable batteries!! Then when your done, just place it on a USB wireless charger. Also were you going with white? If not, reprint it in a different color filament, or sand it and paint it!
Either way, love the custom mouse! I need to try this.. my hand also cramps after hours of Photoshop or video editing..
Side note, handling carbon fiber filament without gloves is not a great idea since it embeds micro fibers into your skin. Additionally, if you bothered to sand, prime, and paint the new mouse the it would probably feel a lot nicer & be more durable to hold then just the bare plastic.
or wrap them.
or dip it in epoxy
the slicer software should have settings for exactly how much of a gap there is between the tree supports and the surface above them, so it seems your setting is too close, causing them to be bonded too well. set the gap slightly larger, and test it with a smaller print then adjust the size of the gap until it becomes easy to remove.
Bambu printers are an excellent way to dive into 3D printing. I am not shilling. Also, I've been using vertical mouses for 14 years and I'd never switch back
You have a 3d printer now, you can 3d print "helping hands" to hold the wires and PCB's while you solder. It makes life ALOT easier.
Yes you can just buy them, but printing them is cheap and fun. It's also a good way to familiarise yourself with your slicer and level up your printing skill.
I think it's awesome that you built a custom mouse, but it did leave me wondering, is it possible to just replace the original sensor in that vertical mouse you had?
yeah.. soldering is a skill takes so much practice. I remember changing my switches, once i found that one youtuber who said 'do it this way' (add soldering to the switches makes it easier to remove the old soldering ) that made getting those damns switches off 10000000000% easier.
Lead solder makes it easier.
I switched to using a vertical mouse for work. Absolutely a great decision, it's just so comfortable to use! Not had any wrist or elbow pain since.
I do still use a normal mouse for gaming though and I hate it.
Impressive stuff, Dawid! I really like the MX Vertical too. I get why it hasn't happened, but I'm still a little surprised no one's really gone for developing an official gamer vert mouse yet.
Since you have an AMS on the printer, little trick: PLA and PETG don't like to bond, so if you use one for the part and the other for supports they separate REALLY easily. Or get a spool of PVA for supports, it dissolves in water.
Oh, and I think gaming with "office" mice isn't that bad. I'm using an MX Ergo (a trackball) and it works fine. Though I have to say that I don't play shooters.
Looks like you were using glue on the print bed. Ive never once needed it with my Bambu printers. Just make sure the bed is clean and go, works for me every time.
In some instances you might use a short spray with stuff like 3DLAC. It also works wonders with print surfaces that are sticking way too hard in combination with certain materials (that is maybe unexpected but very handy). The 3DLAC spray is easy removable with some lukewarm water, so you won't end up with a messy print surface. And a one time short spray is enough for several prints in a row. I bought one can more than a year ago and it's still not empty. You can, of course, use any other brand. This is just the experience I have with this brand.
I love random MacGyver projects. Keep them coming
You are lucky to have such a friend, very professional work he did.
Hey even the Great Linus never built his own mouse, well done Dawid.
The Great Linus? Well, Torvalds isn't really known as a hardware guy, AFAIK.
If by "great" you instead mean "small, squeaky and annoying", then that guy hasn't really built anything, has he?
3:56
You truly do have a masterful way with words Dawid.
If you take on the process again get some low temperature solder and put a little bit on the hard to remove solder joints and then when you use your de-soldering gun it will be much easier to remove all of the solder from the joint. This is a trick we use in electronics repair for temp sensitive components, thin boards and stubborn joints.
or look up some videos on desoldering. using a thick gauge metall wire to spread the heat across all the pins, and then puling the part seems to be a very effective method, then the desolder gun helps pull out any solder left in the holes.
Oh and another thing ! You can spray and coat the mouse with Plasti Dip to give it a rubber texture. Watch out for the button joints though. You could also give it a last, distant short psst to get a slightly bumpy grip texture. If you dont like it then you can just peel it off. Do atleast 3 coats though.
Really wish one of the peripheral brands made a proper vertical gaming mouse, been waiting a few years for it to happen
This is awesome! Combining several of my interests in a Dawid video. Very surprised your filament needed drying that badly. Also, surprisingly printing on a wobbly table like that generally has very little impact on print quality. Great stuff! Seems like you learned a lot.
Oh nice, got that Bambu Lab sponsorship! And you got their flagship printer. Awesome. I have a Bambu Lab A1 and love it. Just a tip for the printer, alot of people print feet for it and place it on paver stones or bricks, some with a rubber anti-vibration matt, to help keep it stabilized and subsequently improve print quality. Recalibrate it after doing this too. Would be worth looking into!
Awesome project! From the title I thought you had a crack at Bambulab's 3D-printed mouse kit, so it was a pleasant surprise to to see that you used an actual gaming mouse. Carbon Fibre based filament was definitely not a good choice for a mouse, a lot of tests show that most tend to shed microscopic carbon fibres and these get embedded in your skin - pretty inconvenient for a mouse.
What I want is that MX vertical, but smaller. It's just too large for me and that's a pity, because I like the idea.
I had the same issue with the MX Ergo trackball. Went for an M575 in the end.
Dawid, your struggle with soldering is exactly what I experience too. Great job sticking with it.
3:56 "jizzing out lines of hot plastic goo" is certainly one way to describe 3D printing.
In addition to using dry filament, you probably need to re-run calibration if you changed the surface the printer is standing on - it has movement and vibration compensation built in that is defined largely during the calibration. It was probably trying to compensate for movement that stopped being there when you moved it to the floor as well.
If you are getting wrist pain from mere mouse usage, your desk is too high. Consider a slideout under desk keyboard+mouse tray. Im in my early 40s I've never had carpal tunnel or any wrist or hand pain in my entire life unless literally had a recent biking tumble. I have to wreath things around at work, also as a cook and gardener by hobby. Back in the early 2000s noticed my wrists didnt like being much higher than my waist while using a mouse, it caused a dull ache. 20 years later seems they were telling me something important.
Well - you always can higher or lower your chair (if you have a bit good one). A rule of thumb is that when you place your elbow on the desk, and make a fist and let your chin rest on that fist, you should look straight forward. If you look up or down, your height has to be adjusted.
Good video. Just a note, the X1 has a feature that you can use it as a filament dryer. You put the filament inside the printer and then use the feature to dry it out. After it's dry, you can put it in the AMS unit, and assuming you have desiccant int he AMS unit you should be good for the print.
DUDE! This is rad! I have horrible wrists from working detail intensive labor work my whole life and have been looking for a vertical gaming mouse forever. I may have to copy this!
I would definitely do some post-printing work on that mouse, at the minimum sanding and fixing it, best would be to also prime and (spray) paint it. That will increase the longevity of the mouse, and improve haptics. Also, painting would make it look pretty! And it's fun.
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This reminds me of the two projects I still have to perform some post printing work. *sighs*
3D printing is about as fun as completely the Honey-do-list.
This was interesting. More of this kind of stuff please! Cheers.
Awesomesauce video Dawid!! Your 2nd step to solve your puney carpal tunnel problem, get an arm support from Vivo. I tried one at work. OMG, so much less pain!!!
Well that was cool. We definitely need a part 2 on this. Fix the clicking issue and figure out a better(less sweaty) material for the shell, or maybe a simple paint job could remedy that. If all else fails you could just cover it in those mouse grip tape things lol.
Sanding it down will help as well.
Tip for 3d printing: the thing on top is for multiple materials. Colors are cool and all, buuuut… PLA and PETG don’t bond, meaning that you can make something with one material, and supports with the other and the removal will be easy peasy.
Material wise, ABS or PETG would be more suitable than PLA.
Especially long-term, as PLA will deform under constant pressure or warmth over about 40°C.
But the best option would be a two-part design where the bits you touch are cladded in TPU.
Which is a material that sees medial use and is generally very durable.
While the porous nature of 3D-prints doesn't apply to that degree, I have had a 3D printed wrist-rest in the stuff last for well over a year now.
The food- and skin-safety arguments online are overblown, considering that more porous wooden spoons and nylon watch-bands are fine too.
I'd recommend using ABS filament feels much nicer in the hand and it has higher temp resistance than PLA so you can also use it for computer parts. Only downside is that ABS get a little stinky and for bigger parts it might start to warp. Oh yeah you can also vapour smooth ABS parts in acetone it becomes well..... smooth :P
If you want super easy support removal with PLA use PETG for the support material (and vice versa). Those materials are incompatible with each other and won't stick!
ABS and PETG are very compatable so if you want to use them for color prints or multi material prints.
Many RUclipsrs I watch put fresh flux and then solder on and only then remove the old solder point. This is supposed to help it flow better. Try that next time. Probably lead free from the factory so you need to use that as well.
Yup, learned this trick when I first started soldering. Leaded solder is best for this, modern PCBs don't use it and it's a higher melting point so a pain to remove.
This was a super interesting video! I love seeing practical applications of additive printing.
I had another interesting video suggestion for you Dawid: Can you create a setup that would allow you to fry an egg on the heat generated from a PC? I did some research and I think it would be possible but I think that only you could actually try something like this.
That is SO COOL!!! This was a GREAT IDEA!!!! I hope you do more videos like this where you create cool new stuff out of cool old stuff LOL
A cool tip for 3d printing is to use petg as an interface for pla, and vice versa, it should break free a lot easer and you dont have to mess with dedicated support material just make sure to up your flush volumes co you dont get contamination. Alternatively there are also disolvable supports that can help with some of the more difficult prints.
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You better pay up
pay the man
What did you bet him? Hahaha.
Loll you have to pay him now
I can relate so much with you suffering, I bought all the tools needed for soldering, desoldering, etc.. but it has been a painful process so far. Still on my journey ...
I've been working on the same exact project for the past few months...what a coincidence!!! Great video!!
If you didn't already use 60/40 lead solder get some, when de soldering go and resolder the joints first with fresh solder it will help tremendously.
If you want to smooth out the shell I suggest reprinting in a material similar to Polysmooth. Once it’s done you just suspend it in a box with some IPA at the bottom and have the fumes smooth it out.
Also in your case while using the AMS you may want to consider getting a cheap spool of petg and using that as a support interface material. Reason being is pla can’t bind to petg so the supports just come right off.
Thanks for cranking out the content! My brand of humor and level of seriousness. I always look forward to your uploads
Welcome to the painful wonderful world that is 3d printing ❤ oh, I wanna try this with clear resin now
There's one thing to be said about 3D printing though: you will become INCREDIBLE at problem-solving. Particularly structural problems that aren't really problems.
Dawid Does Tech Stuff, amazing video you deserve more subscribers
These were challenging prints due to the thin walls, but I wonder if a Prusa printer would have had better luck in printing the mouse parts.
Next to personally preferring the brand, their machines are more optimised for accurate and reliable printing, over speed.
Though the filament dryer definitely made the bigger difference here.
For the supports in the battery compartment, perhaps the old-school rectilinear support style would work better?
Though I do not know whether these can be combined with organic supports.
Heeeyyy, we're filament drier buddies! tbh, that never solved my problems... it was finally getting a hotbox to retain a bit of heat but mostly block any wayward air conditioner wind from unevenly cooling the print.
This shows how difficult an actual product development is.
"So much effort to build a mouse" ppl would say.. The effort put in is just great..
Kudos to the bun..
That was a really diff video. Bigups on ya for doing such a challenge lol
Have a buddy who does some 3d printing and ye man, taking out those supports is REAL lmfao
Must've learned alot over the weeks, growing is always good heh
~a random canadian subscriber dude
Resin printing might be best if you want a really smooth finish on this.
Next time since you got the AMS, try using PETG as support with PLA because it doesn't bond well with PLA. It's a trick i learned over the years of 3d printing
Dawid I don’t think you’ve ever built a keeb before! You gotta do that someday and hit every budget like $50, $100, $500 or even higher. I’d love to see what kind of silliness you’d put together
I've always wanted something like this
Like making the MX Master series with a gaming sensor, that'd be amazing!
Speaking of the Dark Ages!! You all still use Mice you have to pick up and slide around on a mat!! How Barbaric! LOL! Been using a Logi ERGO M575 for Years! Should try it sometime Dawid!
nice build. though i think it would have been far better design to go with a "gun handle" shaped vertical mouse. The vertical mouse, while you can get used to it, it will pretty much always have the issue of mouse clicks causing the bod of the mouse to move slightly because of the way youre now clicking sideways, and not down into the mouse. which is fine for office work, but for gaming.
Personally i think an even better solution is to off load all the buttons to your left hand with something like the azeron controller, which also gives you thumbstick based movement. and then youre just aiming with your right hand, so not pressing the fire button with your right hand prevents any mouse movement when pressing the fire button with your left hand.
STL files are used in CAD, but contain no information but the mesh. I have used STLs to generate a model around them and that works great if the model is not that complex. It is good that you have entered the 3D printing world. And it is true that filament drying is important, even if the filament came sealed. You will have a better quality, less stringy print. I want to see part two or an update with the mouse "fixed", because I think it is a great idea to fit a good mouse hardware into other shapes, not the first time I have seen it, but it is the first time I see that Logitech ergonomic mouse shape being used for it.
Woah, I'm literally doing the same thing as your friend but planning on adding the numpad from the g600 on the side. Awesome vid as always
Good job though, you have more patience than me using that broom handle of a soldering iron, the size of the tip was huuuuuuge
Compare it to a great Canadian product, the Ploopy mouse. And while your are at it, try their Adept trackball. My Corne keyboard has Zeal switches... My portable keyboard is a Corn-ish Zen, another great Canadian product.
Fyi, you don't need to worry about the table shaking, it's all accounted for in the calibration process.
You should do more peripheral enthusiast stuff imo, loved this video :D
I’m jealous my first printer was a VoxLab Aquila, and the assembly was way more challenging. Currently it’s collecting dust due to the extruder being gummed up.
Need some speed holes for cooling on that mouse design in my opinion. Thank you david
Every hobby this guy gets into, I also happen to just get into aswell. VR, sim racing and now 3d printing. Love that u read that comment from last vid too about the hair lol
I use a Lift to play and is the best gaming mouse I always had. The "semi-infinite" wheel scroll almost makes me forget about my Hero G502. I'm left-handed, you can picture me using a mouse the wrong way since 2006.
V1 is done, further improvements are there to be witnessed
Just started a 3d printing buisness and I understand ell the struggles Bambu is amazing
having done some mouse modding, i know that you gotta love that feeling when it goes together and works! - this was a cool video, maybe a v2 follow up with different materials?
Should have tried applying some new solder to the joints, then try sucking them. Old solder will melt easier with new solder applied.
You need flux to solder / desoldee stuff, it genuinely makes everything way easier
Ngl that benchy on the rickety ass table is the best ad for Bambu Lab ive seen
The only tech youtuber that does not spread toxicity or arrugancy all over, funny and good content, all relaxed even his pain 😅❤
Vertical mice reason isn't really to lift arm up some(even though that does help too), its more for the fact if you put arm in way to hold a normal mouse your two bones in lower arm actually twist some allowing the pinching of the median nerve. As its not exactly the "normal" position they are meant to be in. While if you a vertical one, it keeps arm in position that its meant to be allowing the bones to "sit" straight and not ending up "twist-pinch." While at same time usually designed to keep arm straight with hand so you don't have the forms of placement of the wrist that too can lead to Carpal tunnel syndrome. But it's all pointless if your desk (normal or sit/stand) isn't at right level to position arm correctly. But we really do need some nice vertical gaming mice, they're just so much nicer for you over a normal mouse; even if doesn't feel "normal" first few times of using.
I used to give my niece a palm tree hairdo when they were young. Classic look. 👌
8:43 anyone else screaming "add flux" at their phones?
Recently my brothers and I started watching Scissor Seven, where the main character has the same top hairpluck which you had here.
A coincidence, but a funny one. About halfway the series so far, it's quite surprising in positive ways.
CF filament can be a health hazard, would not recommend using it if there is constant skin contact.
I'm actually afraid for him
Try some grip tape to solve the finish of the plastic issue. Recommend the pulsar pre cut universal supergrip stuff.
Guessing it's kinda heavy, some X-raypad jade donut mouse skates probs help with the glide.
Wouldn't it be easier to just use the shell of the Logitech vertical mouse, replacing just the PCB, instead of 3d printing it?
Damnit...you're so right! I just tilted my arm and wrist into this verical positiona and it feels so much more comfortable. I don't need it for gaming...but for work actually. Searching now.
Dawid!! I really appreciate the amount of work you put in this video. Must've took weeks to complete! ❤️❤️❤️ Keep up the awesome content.
Using a soldering gun, wick and flux is better then a desoldering gun. Also, the "giant" soldering tip you used makes soldering much harder for precise work, you need a much smaller tip.