Experimenting with your own ski boots and is BOA here to stay? Podcast with Brent Amsbury
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- Discover practical methods for finding your ideal boot alignment using everyday items in this episode. Join the conversation between master boot fitter Brent Amsbury from Park City Ski Boot and Tom Gellie of Big Picture Skiing. Gain insights into the BOA system’s effectiveness in tightening ski boots - is it a gimmick or here to stay?
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Tom, I bought FISCHER RC4 130 MV BOA ski boots this season. I came to the store and decided to try it on out of curiosity. After walking for a few minutes, I realized that I was wearing nothing more comfortable (of course, from ski boots). I went to think about it and came back an hour later and bought them. It's very cool, convenient and very easy to use. I ride for 5-7 hours a day! Be sure to take these for testing!
I tried using my spoilers this season for the first time. I found for groomer days it was helpful, let me work the very tip of the ski easier.
Kept them in for a powder day, and it was horrendous. Trying to ski centered on the ski more up right, utilizing the natural rocker of the ski caused me to lose circulation, dug into my calf’s, and gave move foot cramps the entire run down.
I realized at the bottom of the run they were still in and took them out and it was sweet relief.
Haven’t put them back in again, but maybe I will give them another shot for groomer days
Interesting to hear Brent confirming my own experience with the Boa system. No going back to buckles for me, the whole set up is more sensitive to small movements.
Tom, Brent so great to hear your experiences and in depth knowledge. I really appreciate this!
Reading all the other comments is also very interesting so thanks to yu'all too.
Brent said that BOA boots work well with high instep. However, BOA tightens a bit more on the instep than front foot. If you have a high instep, it's difficult to achieve a snug front foot fit. I hope to see BOA boots that have three areas (front foot, midfoot and shin area) with separate BOA dials.
Brent's experience is mirrored by others like Blister Review's crew, that BOA *relieves* high instep volume perhaps because it can pull more tangentially than a traditional buckle.
I guess the lesson here is to try it out yourself before you come to anyone else's conclusion!
@@kuanjuliu Agreed. (Like Brent was saying in the video,) BOA doesn't feel tight on the instep as you can tighten it with small increments and weight is distributed more evenly around the instep (like you said).
However, this leaves for me a front of the boot a little loose as you can't tighten it separately. Similar conclusion was also mentioned in Ski Essentials video by Jeff reviewing 2025 Atomic Hawx Ultra EXT 130 boot with the difference that with an average instep and narrow boot this is not an issue.
Great video !!! I learned much. About 4 years ago, I bought Full Tilt Descendant 8 ski boots. I liked them because they came with Intuition liners which were far more comfortable and warmer and I never get hot spots. By the way, I did buy them at my local ski shop, where they were properly fitted and I bought custom footbeds to go with them. Since the boot was a 3 buckle cabrio system, I noticed an immediate difference in my stance which needed to be far more flexed in order to feel center balanced. I didn't necessarily like it, but I figured as long as I could feel which part of my foot I was using, I'd get used to it. I also noticed a few years back that my skis don't track flat on the snow. While this may be a canting issue, I can't say for sure that it is. Interestingly, I am also a CARV user. In my old boots, (Dalbello Panterra's) I was consistently scoring in the 130's to high 140's. After getting the Full Tilt's, my scores tanked and I score anywhere from 80's up to about 120, but consistently, right around 100. I dismissed this too because I knew at the time it was a new ski season where I hadn't been on snow for 6 or 7 months and I had new boots to get used. Here we are 4 years later and I'm still getting the same crappy scores no matter what I try to change with my skiing. Recently, I was even wondering if my CARV units were defective, especially in my left boot. I have to stand really hard on the ball of my foot on my big toe edge to even get the sensors to register. After watching this video, I'm convinced there is nothing wrong with my CARV. My boot setup is simply working against me. Thank you !!!
I’d say this is most probably true given your description
Here for this!
Skiing at Sunpeaks the second year in my Fischer boots. Second week in instructor was pushing me to get more weigh over my tips. Couldn’t get it right. Next day I thought I’d try adding the spoiler, and they worked great. Gave me better turn activation.
unloading down hill. ski rocking forwart upper body .counter uphill hips. ratractet pelvisl .boot rebound . skiing uphill not down hill .recipe for dissaster. not able to recenter to neutrol stance . center of gravity upper body .
Completely agree with Tom's comments re canting at the 10:00 and the subtitle comment at 10:24. The standard additional 1-2 degree allowance for cuff alignment on most boots is not enough for many people with tibial varum, but don't want the foot inverted the way canting the boot does for the reasons Tom describes. Any boot fitters out there that can modify a boot to get 3-4 degrees of cuff range? Is it feasible? Would love to know.
Thanks for sharing. One thing that stands out for me with your podcasts is the way you respect guests by listening and giving them centre stage if you like, you never interrupt. I think your guests are instantly comfortable and offer so much more than normally would. BTW, tried the spoilers and hated them. I found they limited my range of movement and felt unatural for me.
Thanks for listening
any above 1 degree foot board baindings is limitng ankle rotary movement ankle flex causes forwart upper body pitch unloanding skis boot rebound limiting hips rotary movement pelvis retracted upper body up movment from up hillski to start new turn wide stance dumping upper body up hill hip down unloading down hill ski not anguladet upper body counter upper body inside hip not squre to down hill ski.
Hi Tom, I’m looking forward to hearing your conclusions after trying out a BOA boot for yourself. After having painful foot problems in my current boots I am looking for a boot fitter who can look at my anatomy and set me up with a better fitting pair. Is there one in Sydney or Jindabyne that you can recommend?
I can recommend Jason at Larry Adler in collaroy and Craig at Jindabyne sports in Jindabyne. There are lots of other great boot fitters but most recently I’ve seen some good results from clients using these two guys
"I don't believe in canting".That's a bold statement you're making Tom!
Haha. I know. It’s just interesting when you go from a boot that feels not good, canting improves it. But then a new boot with more customized cuffs gets the same result.
It makes a lot of sense when you look into the possible reasons why canting helps change what you feel.
I should say I believe that go as far as you can modifying your boot without going to canting. And if you can’t get that final part then look into canting
@@Bigpictureskiing canting purpose flat skis exilarating out of turn down fall laine . not edget skis on daiagnol up hill .
Don't forget about socks. Ski socks help a lot. Heel pads too. New foams are interesting. I can rock those yellow skis.
Better skiing without socks at all, barefoot:)
With Custom Ski Footbed and in the Intuition or Zipfit liner.
To me, Tom’s experience with needing canting with one boot but not another is making me want to try his current Fischer vacuum boot next, especially the model that comes with a ZipFit liner for longevity.
I am very duck-footed as well and remember when Fischer was only one of two ski boot manufacturers putting it out there with accommodations for an abducted stance.
Seems maybe some of that accommodative DNA remains in their boot philosophy?
The vacuum system is a great way to go. I couldn’t believe how much better I felt standing and edging in this boot when I first got it. Plus no need to grind. I had to do some more pinching down the road but not much and it’s so easy with vacuum plastic
@@Bigpictureskiing all real plug boots - to w.c. from factory are abductet -duck-footet from hill - fisher from center 3 degrees on daiagnol upper body center of gravity alingment with center of boots squre hips durning lateral to inside turn increased hips rotary movment
Completely agree with Tom about canting. Tracing flat on the floor is a must, although achieving so via calf-adjustment is way better than through canting underfoot: this doesn’t mean that canting is unnecessary, rather, it means that canting is necessary if and only if calf adjustments fails to trace flat for you for all boots/configurations.
After all, tracing flat while standing on a flat surface has to be more natural than tracing flat while standing on a wedge, like Tom suggested with the hip displacements.
Thanks for your comment.
canting is evrything prevents -a-frame. counter upper body. dumping uphill . wide stance. constant edged skis on daiagnol . down fall laine . horizontal edges set .
I wonder why boot companies pay BOA for using their product, when cable ties have been used for years on touring boots operated by a single buckle.
all top world cup racers have one thing same small feet rigid instep narrow stance waking paraller feet never never toes pointing out waide stance fexing knee forward hip back they walk hip forward first feet fallow without flexing knee forwart tibia longer 2to3cetimiters 1 degree or less outward all pressure with evry step from center to outside of the feet waider hips then avrege outstending hip rotation forwart 45degrees back 60 degrees pelvis rotation longer hamstrings ligaments flexing knees forwart 22 to 24 cm ankles rotation 40 to42 degrees outside boot setup to flat skis down hill direct laine they dont carve they set edges same taime flexing insaide hip down back to recenter to flat skis to acclereite tips up flexing hips pelvis first ankles fallow reverse hips rotation on daiagnol to increase radius of turn under gate none lateral upper body insaide of turn hips down anguladet stable upper body insaide hip up not dumping upper body hip down up hill.
I think the point of spoilers was almost completely missed. Spoilers adjust for the size of the skiers calf.
You buy a boot that fits your foot length and width so why should anyone think that the boot does not need adjusting for lower leg diameter - this is what spoilers do.
What is important for skiing is shin bone angle yet the front of the boot is not fixed; as you tighten the buckles the shin becomes more and more upright.
spoiler's purpose is not ONLY for the size of the calf, it changes how far forward your shin bone is and makes a difference is how you ski, if you actually tried it you would know
@@zimawinterThis would be even more obvious for a skier whose boots have no forward lean adjustment of their own.