Actually, there IS a fan theory about this. According to the theory, what we know as TCW is, in actuality, the Holonet version of the Clone Wars, and in all honesty, it explains a lot of inconsistencies. It’s made for the population in a similar way that WWII propaganda films were made. Note that every TCW series has a booming narrator at the beginning, just like wartime propaganda films. This is why we don’t have the battle of Coruscant or the Purge in TCW; the episodes hadn’t been made until after the Empire’s creation. Personally, I think the only true events in TCW are the Mortis Arc (referenced in later materials). Everything else has too many inconsistencies with previous EU material (Barris Offee being closer to 16 then to 25, anyone?).
The Grey Jedi I’m aware of this as Admiral Yularen is the narrator and old man in the Death Star. I really love Clone Wars and it’s so interwoven with the lore between two and three that it’s cool seeing how Anakin and Obiwan head to the outer rims and later end up in the battle of Coruscant. Once Anakin sees Padme in Episode III he even references his time in the outer rims. I know it’s minor but it’s so cool seeing that detail.
Paul Ruddish is the kind of guy you want on star wars. Nerd/fan loving kid from the basement with toys to working on the team. Doesn't get more purist than that.
It's really amazing the quality of Tartakovsky's production team at the time. Clone Wars continues to be the most well produced of all spin ofs of the Star Wars Universe. Of course "The Clone Wars" and "Rebels" from Filoni are really good as well, but do not have the same timing as this series did have.
Not actually sure if this is in Disney's Vault because at the time it was broadcast by Cartoon Network, in the days of the Fox Studios copyright sharring.
3:20 Shout-out to George for recognizing good art when he sees it, never knew he was into anime and Genndy IS a master of using anime as a reference point for western animation.
I mean when Akira came out, George Lucas and Steven Speilberg stated the film to be unmarketable here in North America because the world wasn't ready for that massive jump in animation. George always respected and loved all forms of Japanese culture. He was one of the original weebs. Wonder if George had a waifu. lol 😆
As much as I love the modern Clone Wars series, it still pains me this original Clone Wars is no longer canon. Used to love watching it on CN back during the 3 years between Episodes II and III. Even used to watch it between II and III while having a Star Wars marathon. Plus I think they gave General Grievous a much better introduction here than they did in the modern series.
Actually, to me. If you do watch vol 2 after season 7 episode 9 of the clone wars 3D show, it does still lead in with episode III. Then after episode III you go to 10 and 12 together with Asoka. To me, that is an emotional journey within hours of my life.
You I STAY telling people this exact same thing. Grievous is a MONSTER in this series and he goes stupid hard when kidnapping the chancellor. You sir have great taste in Star Wars 🍻
Seeing the last part of the Startakovsky series is the start of Episode 3 was so mind boggling then. It was like, Yes we see you and what you saw mattered.
6:20 - 6:27 Across the Stars. Just by adding that song in after all of these hardworking folks express how much fun and joy they got from working on this just shows how much love and effort was put into this show. Actors, writers, directors, animators, artists. It’s those kinds of people in the TV/Movie Industry with that level of passion for their work that I admire the most.
Tartavosky should have written the 2008 Clone Wars series along with Dave Filoni. That way we have the badass action sequences of the '03 series with the story telling of the '08 series, that way both series would be canon still.
George Lucas met with Tartovsky WEEKLY to discuss this... and he can't even kill off Ahsoka when he wants to in TCW? filoni is a bit overprotective of his baby. Plus, Lucas could kill off two major EU characters- one of them a film character- in the NJO. I'm skeptical of Lucas' invovlement in TCW, and of it being considered higher than the EU.
I agree with Filoni on not killing her. I mean, what’s worse. Your student and daughter/sister figure dead but knowing their dead or them leaving and you not knowing what they’re doing or how they are.
This is awesome I love this series a lot I watched as a little kid on Cartoon Network and said hey dad are these in dvd and I still have them to this day
Genndy: I wanted to tell a great story while using what happens after Ep II and how George is explaining how Ep III will go will also using the animation to have great character moments. George: Anime. Anime, Anime, Anime… Genndy good at Anime! 🤩
I didn't need the cgi series or even Episode 1 and 2. They could have started right with these series and went right into Revenge of the Sith. These micro series are brilliant.
While not as good as TCW as a series even though this is a mini series it fits so much better in the EU and the continuity but it's presented unrealistically Clone Wars = Has much more fitting continuity The Clone Wars = Presents realistically If these two were combined then we would have the most perfect Clone Wars series I think idk honestly
THE Reason why Disney Canonized the 3D Clone Wars, but not the Micro Series is, MS was made by Cartoon Network, While The 3D Show was made by Lucasfilm.
+J. Patrick Stublen Will Disney Released the Clone Wars Micro Series on Blu-Ray?, or it's thrown in the Trash like the Rest of the EU?, or it's on the Disney Vault?
+J. Patrick Stublen It seems that Dave Filoni had move Veto Power than Tartakovsky. The George Lucas Act dictates, that the New Version SHOULD Always overwrite the Old Version. Old: Han Shoot First Anakin had no Padawan Sebastian Shaw Yub Nub No Jabba in 4 This Micro Series Comics under Dark Horse
it's funny that these guys seemed to have more passion for star wars than the people interviewed in the prequel mini-docs. that being said, the 3D animated series was also surprisingly good once you get deeper into it, and the crew for that (especially Dave Filoni) seemed excited and passionate about the project. i'm not sure how i feel about Rebels yet, but that needs more time to develop.
@@bilbobaggins9451 As did you, my friend. Anyway in case this comment comes back to bite me I’m not drinking the anti-prequel koolaid anymore. Good movies
BlackWingedSeraph This version of Clone Wars was made before TCW CW 2003 - 2005 before ROTS episode 3 and TCW was made in 2008 - I guess idk if you count the finale season but Yee 2013 or 2014 6 season on Netflix used to be on Netflix or - 2019 Ashoka wasn't made back in 2003 - 2005 just to let you know
@@BlackWingedSeraphX Perfect way to describe it. Also TCW just has so many retcons. 2003 CW was made with the purpose of bridging episode II and III with a few additions and that’s what they did. I just feel like Filoni go carried away maybe.
But the modern Clone Wars series was launched years before Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney. And I think they were already no longer considering this canon.
Genndy understands and makes a better Star Wars series then Dave filoni ever could lol it’s funny since the guy boasts about being George Lucas’s protégé. 😂😂😂
As far as I'm concerned, both Clone Wars series are canon save for the segments of the last few episodes of this series. You can fit Chapters 1-21 before the 2008 series very easily.
I’m not sure officially (misspelling) but it’s your head-cannon. I feel like TCW 2008 series is part of Disney’s cannon while the original CW 2003 Micro-Series is Original EU’s cartoon that’s what attracts it to me.
@@75JUNAKI yeah I agree. I don’t see the 2008 series as part of the EU timeline simply because Filoni pretty much disregarded this series when he made the movie along with the rest of the multimedia project this series was a part of. The 2008 series made it as though it was taking place a short while after Geonosis. Plus now a lot of the series is being retconned in Canon, Dookus first meet with Ventress is shown in Dooku Jedi Lost which takes place long before attack of the Clones
George Lucas is a fool in not accepting the visual genius that was this show, Disney ruined Star Wars, but you can hire Genndy to create a more epic and mature story with the visually beautiful action that was Clone Wars
BlackWingedSeraph isn’t he one of the strongest force user? It felt like a payoff to what Dooku said earlier regarding to how Grevious should approach his prey.
To me it wasn't just that, mace defeated a whole army of droids by himself. While in attack of the clones the Jedi including mace almost lost to a lesser amount of droids than the ones mace faced in the show.
What should not be considered cannon is the absolutely horrible Clone Wars CGI series. This micro series should have remain cannon and the 2008 CGI series should have never been produced.
Originally, the 2008 one was intended as a continuation of the original series, but then filoni decided to get chee to give him a special tier of canon and introduced retcons just because he could.
Кино
I don't care what any corporate executive says. THIS is the canon clone wars series for me.
Actually, there IS a fan theory about this. According to the theory, what we know as TCW is, in actuality, the Holonet version of the Clone Wars, and in all honesty, it explains a lot of inconsistencies. It’s made for the population in a similar way that WWII propaganda films were made. Note that every TCW series has a booming narrator at the beginning, just like wartime propaganda films. This is why we don’t have the battle of Coruscant or the Purge in TCW; the episodes hadn’t been made until after the Empire’s creation.
Personally, I think the only true events in TCW are the Mortis Arc (referenced in later materials). Everything else has too many inconsistencies with previous EU material (Barris Offee being closer to 16 then to 25, anyone?).
Technically both are canon since they were both made by George Lucas.
The Grey Jedi I’m aware of this as Admiral Yularen is the narrator and old man in the Death Star. I really love Clone Wars and it’s so interwoven with the lore between two and three that it’s cool seeing how Anakin and Obiwan head to the outer rims and later end up in the battle of Coruscant. Once Anakin sees Padme in Episode III he even references his time in the outer rims. I know it’s minor but it’s so cool seeing that detail.
The Clone Wars = Canon
Clone Wars 2003 = Legends/Non-Canon
Vincent Ly actually some elements of Clone Wars is indeed Cannon. Rogue One mentions the Battle of Hypori and Grevious’s fight against six Jedi.
How could an emmy winning series like this not be cannon to the star wars series
Pablo The Penguin
Not anymore. The Clone Wars is canon but this old micro series is not
Dan fuck pablo Hidalgo
Because Lucas said so.
It doesn't need to be canon to be good.
For me it is. Volume 1 fully and volume 2 partially since it contradicts with TCW2008, which is fully canon
Paul Ruddish is the kind of guy you want on star wars. Nerd/fan loving kid from the basement with toys to working on the team. Doesn't get more purist than that.
It's really amazing the quality of Tartakovsky's production team at the time. Clone Wars continues to be the most well produced of all spin ofs of the Star Wars Universe. Of course "The Clone Wars" and "Rebels" from Filoni are really good as well, but do not have the same timing as this series did have.
Agreed!
is this Clone Wars Stuck in the Disney Vault?
Not actually sure if this is in Disney's Vault because at the time it was broadcast by Cartoon Network, in the days of the Fox Studios copyright sharring.
atleast not until 2020, plus lucas seems to want it to be shared openly to increase interest in the rest of the star wars
How about Luke Cage?
There needs to be an art book of this.
I wholeheartedly agree. I loved Anakin with his armor. 😍
Yeah seriously.
3:20
Shout-out to George for recognizing good art when he sees it, never knew he was into anime and Genndy IS a master of using anime as a reference point for western animation.
Revi Bard-Harvey
Yee
Yeah, boy.
I mean when Akira came out, George Lucas and Steven Speilberg stated the film to be unmarketable here in North America because the world wasn't ready for that massive jump in animation. George always respected and loved all forms of Japanese culture. He was one of the original weebs. Wonder if George had a waifu. lol 😆
@@jackbuchanan9085 Marcia Lucas was his waifu.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p mellody hobson is the current waifu, they seem like a cute couple
As much as I love the modern Clone Wars series, it still pains me this original Clone Wars is no longer canon. Used to love watching it on CN back during the 3 years between Episodes II and III. Even used to watch it between II and III while having a Star Wars marathon. Plus I think they gave General Grievous a much better introduction here than they did in the modern series.
I feel the same way about this "Clone Wars" not being canon. I also watched this on Cartoon Network.
EDIT: It's on DisneyPlus now.
Actually, to me. If you do watch vol 2 after season 7 episode 9 of the clone wars 3D show, it does still lead in with episode III. Then after episode III you go to 10 and 12 together with Asoka. To me, that is an emotional journey within hours of my life.
@@Seras99 yes, I consider most of 2003 canon because why not, it's so cool
You I STAY telling people this exact same thing. Grievous is a MONSTER in this series and he goes stupid hard when kidnapping the chancellor. You sir have great taste in Star Wars 🍻
Ah! for the times when love, care, and art went into Star Wars.
One of the greatest action sequence writers of all time.
I don't care what current-Lucasfilm says, this series fits within canon so it's canon to me
don't be delusional towards you're own in denial facts. Stick to reality.
@@Gadget-Walkmen But this is a fictional universe
It does not fit with current canon, tho it still fits perfectly within Legends, as long as You keep TCW out of it
@@theketaminefrog6366 So? Obviously but it doesn't mesh well with other events established as both things can't exist at the same time.
@@theketaminefrog6366 Your comment makes no sense. You can keep TCW 2003 in line with legends perfectly fine.
Sorry Dave, but this one is superior. I don’t need the 2008 one anymore.
THANK YOU. that's the message I've been try to convey for years
Hey Fordo I would have killed that last Jedi on hypori if it wasn't for your badassery "stares angrily in badass 2d animation"
mercury man more like *growls at clone*
Fordo deserves respect.
I would to learn to draw like mr tartakovsky, i have 20 but even so i want 👍😁
Gendy's Clone Wars.... totally underrated!!! 💙👌🏼 O.O.K
It is difficult to overstate how much of an impact this series had on me, beyond just making me a star wars fan. It is the very definition of epic.
I wish this stayed canon. It even had George Lucas' involvement and stamp of approval no less as the documentary shows.
Seeing the last part of the Startakovsky series is the start of Episode 3 was so mind boggling then. It was like, Yes we see you and what you saw mattered.
It’s funny how this short cartoon series was more powerful and emotional engaging than the actual movies
3:02 Everything you need to know about how Genndy Tartakovsky see his work.
Im scouring the internet for the "connecting the dots" mini documentary about this series, all i can find is this one and Ive already seen this.
Working on it.
be sure to give me a shout when you find it
+Captain Fordo (Delta253) Sorry this took me so long. Will be up in an hour.
+GoBIGclan Up soon.
kiss cartoon go on it and watch the clone wars 2003 than you will see it
Genndy you are a legend you've created my favourite part of star wars canon or not
6:20 - 6:27 Across the Stars. Just by adding that song in after all of these hardworking folks express how much fun and joy they got from working on this just shows how much love and effort was put into this show. Actors, writers, directors, animators, artists. It’s those kinds of people in the TV/Movie Industry with that level of passion for their work that I admire the most.
This the first time i truly loved star wars in animated form, it’s short and so fun to watch. The Clone Wars (2008) is also amazing
Am I the only one that loves both of the Clone Wars series?
Nope, I do too.
I love both too!
I think we can all agree that the 2003 series has better action though. Specifically lightsaber duels.
Really wish they could’ve kept these going. I loved them so much and with all the lore now it would’ve been great
Tartavosky should have written the 2008 Clone Wars series along with Dave Filoni. That way we have the badass action sequences of the '03 series with the story telling of the '08 series, that way both series would be canon still.
That only exists in alternate universe that we wish we were in....
Love them both
Yes! I totally agree!
Anyone who stopped this series can suck it up, this one was the best thing that happened to Star wars!!
5:10
Was Paul Rudish's beard the direct model for Obi Wan's or something? Sharpest looking facial hair I've ever seen.
George Lucas met with Tartovsky WEEKLY to discuss this... and he can't even kill off Ahsoka when he wants to in TCW? filoni is a bit overprotective of his baby. Plus, Lucas could kill off two major EU characters- one of them a film character- in the NJO. I'm skeptical of Lucas' invovlement in TCW, and of it being considered higher than the EU.
I agree with Filoni on not killing her. I mean, what’s worse. Your student and daughter/sister figure dead but knowing their dead or them leaving and you not knowing what they’re doing or how they are.
They decided that she leaves the order and maybe dies in Siege of Mandalore, and then Lucas left Star Wars
This is awesome I love this series a lot I watched as a little kid on Cartoon Network and said hey dad are these in dvd and I still have them to this day
I LOVE THE 2D CLONE WARS!!!!!!!!
Genndy: I wanted to tell a great story while using what happens after Ep II and how George is explaining how Ep III will go will also using the animation to have great character moments.
George: Anime. Anime, Anime, Anime… Genndy good at Anime! 🤩
@3:45 a true artist.
This was awesome ! Love to see more.
I miss you captain fordo......
I miss him too!
This is phenomenal. I remember watching this when it first came out I was 4, to this day I still watch it it’s so good
I hope that we get another Star Wars animated series that leads into a film someday.
I'm really glad this show is on Disney Plus
Star Wars: Clone Wars 2003
Created by George Lucas.
Developed by Genndy Tartakovsky.
5:39 Boy he barely knew.
Even though Genndy's Clone Wars isn't canon, this should be considered as a blue print for Dave Filoni for his CG Clone Wars show.
STAR WARS: CLONE WARS 2003-2005 | Animated Shorts (All 25 Episodes) ruclips.net/video/RTyb3vTPkzA/видео.html
This series got me to love Star Wars so much the new trilogy is nothing like this
Ah, the true Clone Wars. Back when Star Wars was Star Wars.
I wish make lord of the rings how character looks that be awesome.
I didn't need the cgi series or even Episode 1 and 2. They could have started right with these series and went right into Revenge of the Sith. These micro series are brilliant.
GREAT!!
I love the vid, Thanks bro! you dont have the second part? it comes whit the second season
I really loved design of knight Anakin here, he's _very_ pretty!!
5:38 they shouldn’t have decanonized this show simply for this man
While not as good as TCW as a series even though this is a mini series it fits so much better in the EU and the continuity but it's presented unrealistically
Clone Wars = Has much more fitting continuity
The Clone Wars = Presents realistically
If these two were combined then we would have the most perfect Clone Wars series I think idk honestly
Tartakovsky CW >>> Filoni CW
I'm not an anime guy but they did a great job with this series
3:24 George Lucas is a weeaboo, confirmed.
no, he just like anime like any normal person.
THE Reason why Disney Canonized the 3D Clone Wars, but not the Micro Series is, MS was made by Cartoon Network, While The 3D Show was made by Lucasfilm.
Also, George dismissed this as canon years before Disney acquired the company.
+J. Patrick Stublen Will Disney Released the Clone Wars Micro Series on Blu-Ray?, or it's thrown in the Trash like the Rest of the EU?, or it's on the Disney Vault?
+Conrado Javier I don't know. It was an amazing series. I know Tartakovsky wasn't happy when GL dismissed it.
+J. Patrick Stublen It seems that Dave Filoni had move Veto Power than Tartakovsky.
The George Lucas Act dictates, that the New Version SHOULD Always overwrite the Old Version.
Old:
Han Shoot First
Anakin had no Padawan
Sebastian Shaw
Yub Nub
No Jabba in 4
This Micro Series
Comics under Dark Horse
+Conrado Javier A true and solid observation.
Apropos of nothing, I’m always taken aback by how much Genndy looks like my dad...
I love genndy tartakovsky Art style
Why was this series never released on DVD I mean this is amazing is there anywhere I can find full episodes
It was in fact released on DVD. It’s currently out of print, and pretty hard to find. There a few copies on eBay.
2:43 why is that calendar blurred out?
This was before Volume 2 came out, I think they were trying to keep things under wraps.
it's funny that these guys seemed to have more passion for star wars than the people interviewed in the prequel mini-docs.
that being said, the 3D animated series was also surprisingly good once you get deeper into it, and the crew for that (especially Dave Filoni) seemed excited and passionate about the project. i'm not sure how i feel about Rebels yet, but that needs more time to develop.
Plinkett fanboy?
@@bilbobaggins9451 5 year old comment
@@bilbobaggins9451 As did you, my friend. Anyway in case this comment comes back to bite me I’m not drinking the anti-prequel koolaid anymore. Good movies
@@bilbobaggins9451 Yes
The only thing I wish from TCW was in this version is Ahsoka. I bet Genndy would have written her some badass fight scenes.
Yes, if only Ahsoka had been created then.
BlackWingedSeraph
This version of Clone Wars was made before TCW CW 2003 - 2005 before ROTS episode 3 and TCW was made in 2008 - I guess idk if you count the finale season but Yee 2013 or 2014 6 season on Netflix used to be on Netflix or - 2019 Ashoka wasn't made back in 2003 - 2005 just to let you know
Eh, Clone Wars without Ashoka is better imo. She’s overrated.
@@just_koop I actually agree. She feels like a DeviantArt OC.
@@BlackWingedSeraphX Perfect way to describe it. Also TCW just has so many retcons. 2003 CW was made with the purpose of bridging episode II and III with a few additions and that’s what they did. I just feel like Filoni go carried away maybe.
What did they use to animate this series?
I can’t believe that Disney didn’t make this canon
Yet Disney used concepts from this in TFA ruclips.net/video/BTqNBB_ZgNA/видео.html
But the modern Clone Wars series was launched years before Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney. And I think they were already no longer considering this canon.
Cool
I wanna make a cartoon like star wars clone wars
Tartarkovsky is STAR WARS N THIS IS CANON
well dave filoni used ventress in his clone wars so in a way it is canon
Anyone know when this doc was made? My guess is '04-'05.
+2000s Nostalgia 2004.
The series of ran from 2002 - 2005.
You can still buy them now on DVD
@@satoncho I saw DVDs on Amazon and eBay.
Imagine if Genndy did Episodes one and two. Except III because it was the strongest.
They still would have done a far better job with Episode III too.
I and II themselve are good
@@i-6083 Lol
@@ImTheReverse They are.
Honestly Steven Spielberg should’ve directed the Prequel Trilogy with Lawrence Kasdan and David Koepp writing the screenplay.
Genndy understands and makes a better Star Wars series then Dave filoni ever could lol it’s funny since the guy boasts about being George Lucas’s protégé. 😂😂😂
Honestly I'd take traditional 2d animation over 3d animation anyday!
Volume 2 please
ruclips.net/video/CHrnzh7AYVo/видео.html
@@Surf_Vidz thanks:)
This was way better than that stupid TCW show.
What a shame that the new Clone Wars shit all over these animators and their work, R.I.P Christopher Lee
Darren Halstead Is the Micro Series in the Disney Vault?
Nah fam, it's on RUclips
This show is like a religion, it never truly goes away. It will always be there.
@@conradojavier It is on DisneyPlus.
YAY ANIMATION BOO ANIME
As far as I'm concerned, both Clone Wars series are canon save for the segments of the last few episodes of this series.
You can fit Chapters 1-21 before the 2008 series very easily.
I’m not sure officially (misspelling) but it’s your head-cannon.
I feel like TCW 2008 series is part of Disney’s cannon while the original CW 2003 Micro-Series is Original EU’s cartoon that’s what attracts it to me.
@@75JUNAKI yeah I agree. I don’t see the 2008 series as part of the EU timeline simply because Filoni pretty much disregarded this series when he made the movie along with the rest of the multimedia project this series was a part of. The 2008 series made it as though it was taking place a short while after Geonosis.
Plus now a lot of the series is being retconned in Canon, Dookus first meet with Ventress is shown in Dooku Jedi Lost which takes place long before attack of the Clones
You would have to disgard Season 7 of TCW if you would accept in them together. Fact.
This is all legends
Legends Never Die
Quantum-Kakarotto canon's kill.
that's a funny way to spell Canon
This was legends even before Disney, which is even more upsetting.
Noe Segovia “I agreed.”
Clone Wars > The Clone Wars
George Lucas is a fool in not accepting the visual genius that was this show, Disney ruined Star Wars, but you can hire Genndy to create a more epic and mature story with the visually beautiful action that was Clone Wars
I think it was because this version of the Jedi and the Force were so op lmao. Mace fucking crushed Grievous' chest in less than 45 seconds!
BlackWingedSeraph isn’t he one of the strongest force user? It felt like a payoff to what Dooku said earlier regarding to how Grevious should approach his prey.
To me it wasn't just that, mace defeated a whole army of droids by himself. While in attack of the clones the Jedi including mace almost lost to a lesser amount of droids than the ones mace faced in the show.
Holy smokes, his office is a mess.
"My office is a little messy,"
No dude, your office is a wreck and a fire hazard
MACE WINDU was BAAAAD in this
If you mean BAAAD-ass, then I heartily agree with you, sir.
#MakeCaptainFordoCanon
Star Wars belongs to Warner Brothers and Cartoon Network not Disney
Lets have Dave Filoni and Genndy Tartakovsky make a coop Star Wars series
3:21 Whoa, George Lucas is a weeb?
How does if make him a weeb?
What’s wrong with liking anime?
@@75JUNAKI Well, anime, for the most part, tends to be pretty dumb, but I’m just joking. I don’t mean to be mean to him.
This shows 100× better than that trash 2008 series.
idk the story always seemed so rush and just a lot of great action scenes to push away the rushed story telling
Because George wanted each shirt to be a minute long but Genndy managed to get it to 5 minutes.
What should not be considered cannon is the absolutely horrible Clone Wars CGI series. This micro series should have remain cannon and the 2008 CGI series should have never been produced.
They should have coexisted together or something like an alternate universe thing
Originally, the 2008 one was intended as a continuation of the original series, but then filoni decided to get chee to give him a special tier of canon and introduced retcons just because he could.
i know im going to get hate for this but i prefer the new one over this one