Wow. Everyone's a critic. Great video, going to have to get some scrap copper wire, often the pieces they cut-off are that long or longer and even larger gauge, when working on the power lines.
Hi, enjoying the videos. You might want to mention that this is only for non-ferrous metals. I came into metal from the ironworking side. Would love to see a video of making jewelry with pattern welded steel.
It all depends on what you are preparing your metal to do. If you are trying to make it malleable, you need to inhibit the internal crystal growth by quenching the metal. If you are trying to grow larger crystals for reticulation, then you would let the metal air cool. If you are avoiding potential cracking then you might want to bury your item in a sand box. Remember, there often isn't just one correct way of doing things in the jewelry lab. Thanks for your support! : )
I'm glad to hear that you are finding the OJA's videos helpful to you in your studies. Good luck with your creative pursuits. Thanks for your support! : )
Hi John, Is there a good way to be sure that I have heated the metal long enough? I've heard somewhere that if you drop it on the floor and it makes a dull sound it's annealed. But maybe that will damage the floor or the metal...
+Shannon M Hi Shannon, The way to tell if you have truly annealed a piece of metal is to see the material glow while you are heating it. For example, copper gives off a dark red or dull red glow when the material is at an annealing temperature. If you turn the lights off in your studio while you anneal, you'll always do it properly and never melt your pieces. Good luck with your projects. Thanks for watching! : )
Does one need to pickle after using the flame? Is there anything that can protect the metal so we don't have to pickle the metal piece after annealing?
Hi Allen, Generally, jewelers and metalsmith will pickle items after every application of heat to an item. This helps to keep the work clean. And that helps one to avoid mistakes. Plus, it keeps oxides from ruining your tools. Thanks for your support! : )
Great video! By the way, I thought that quenching the metal would harden it, could you explain it to me? I an currently trying to make a mail shirt out of steel rings, and they need to be annealed.
Hi Astaziel, Ferrous metals, those containing iron, will harden with quenching. Precious metals such as gold and silver will soften with quenching. This is also true of copper and its alloys. This is because the quick chilling of the precious metal will inhibit the development of large crystals within the material. To grow the metal crystals for tasks like reticulation, you simply let the precious metal air cool after annealing. Thanks for your support! : )
Astaziel which steel will You be annealing? that steel rings for mail shirts are commonly produced from very low carbon steel, that are very ductile and cannot be hardened.
My point was, that if your steel cannot be hardened, then it is a good chance, that it will be good to machine anyway (for low carb steels there is however such thing as process annealing) :) You gave a question that cannot be answered without specifying type of steel you will be using. Was trying to help anyway, cheers:)
Can you use a micro torch like this one to anneal copper, brass and silver. Blazer GT8000 Big Shot Micro torch. Anti-flare, brass-frame nozzle, for safety and flame controlAttachable tabletop base, for hands-free useGas-flow adjustment dial, to control flame lengthPiezoelectric ignition system, requires no electrical connection2,500-degree F, torch flame, for a more precise flame tipI appreciate your help. Thank you.
Hi Kendra, a micro torch is only going to effectively anneal small pieces of metal. Most jewelry studios have a larger torch for annealing purposes. You can find an inexpensive torch for this purpose at most hardware stores. Remember to practice good fire safety. Thanks for your support! : )
Hi Ronald, This process will work for "nickel silver". Personally I never work with the stuff. It's way too hard for my liking. Plus, some people have an allergy to it. Thanks for your support! : )
+CessnaacePVP Glad you enjoyed the video. I hope you'll check out other videos on our playlist here on RUclips or on our website at: www.onlinejewelryacademy.com Thanks for your support! : )
First, love the Pickle Rick image. Second, annealing for jewelry that uses nonferrous metals does allow one to quench or air cool. It all depends on whether or not you want small or large internal crystal growth. Thanks for your support! : )
I took about 2.5 years worth of metals classes in college, most people just went from the fire brick to the pickle pot. The goal is to soften metal to be able to work it properly, This tutorial brings back good memories.
I’m not familiar with working copper but with most metals quenching hardens it. Doesn’t that defeat the softening you just did? With steel I’ve seen it heated to non magnetic then cooled slowly in perlite or ashes so that it stays soft when cool. Is copper different?
Hi Chris, Here's a link to an OJA video that will answer your question thoroughly: ruclips.net/video/mtZZOd8_CAU/видео.html Nonferrous metals react differently to heating and quenching. Thanks for your support! : )
Only ferrous metals harden through quenching. There are more non ferrous metals than ferrous, so technically, most metals stay soft as a result of quenching.
Ummmmmm you let it air cool. You don't quinch it. Quinching makes it harder. And you definitely DO NOT quinch in water. You quinch in canola oil, motor oil, or commercial grade quinching oil. Just be sure that the canola oil is preheated to around 150-180 degrees. Water quinching can break the steel by cooling it way to fast..
Hi Keith, The OJA has a video entitled "To Quench Or Not To Quench". We made that video because we receive a number of comments like yours. Ferrous materials, those that contain iron, are handled in the manner that you described. But, nonferrous materials like copper, brass, gold and silver can be quenched in water. Sometimes an alcohol quench for metals like white gold is preferred. But, the information in the video is correct. Thanks for your support! : )
Wow. Everyone's a critic. Great video, going to have to get some scrap copper wire, often the pieces they cut-off are that long or longer and even larger gauge, when working on the power lines.
Hi, enjoying the videos. You might want to mention that this is only for non-ferrous metals. I came into metal from the ironworking side. Would love to see a video of making jewelry with pattern welded steel.
benbaker1976 Thanks for the excellent comments Ben. And, thanks for watching! : )
Thanks for making this!
Glad you enjoyed the video.
Thanks for your support! : )
to anneal metal you have to cool it slowly by earthier letting it air cool or put it in sand. just letting you know.
It all depends on what you are preparing your metal to do. If you are trying to make it malleable, you need to inhibit the internal crystal growth by quenching the metal. If you are trying to grow larger crystals for reticulation, then you would let the metal air cool. If you are avoiding potential cracking then you might want to bury your item in a sand box. Remember, there often isn't just one correct way of doing things in the jewelry lab.
Thanks for your support! : )
To soften steel after heating, you let it air cool. But this video isn't about steel. It's about non ferrous metals, which soften when rapidly cooled.
Thank you, professor John! It is very nice to watch your video to prepare for class. I can understand fully bc I can check my dictionary. hahaha
I'm glad to hear that you are finding the OJA's videos helpful to you in your studies. Good luck with your creative pursuits.
Thanks for your support! : )
Could you do a video of how to make keys into a ring? I will be using the yellow blowtorch.
Hi Lauren, I answered the message that you sent through the OJA website.
Thanks for your support! : )
Hi John, Is there a good way to be sure that I have heated the metal long enough? I've heard somewhere that if you drop it on the floor and it makes a dull sound it's annealed. But maybe that will damage the floor or the metal...
+Shannon M
Hi Shannon,
The way to tell if you have truly annealed a piece of metal is to see the material glow while you are heating it. For example, copper gives off a dark red or dull red glow when the material is at an annealing temperature. If you turn the lights off in your studio while you anneal, you'll always do it properly and never melt your pieces. Good luck with your projects.
Thanks for watching! : )
Does one need to pickle after using the flame? Is there anything that can protect the metal so we don't have to pickle the metal piece after annealing?
Hi Allen, Generally, jewelers and metalsmith will pickle items after every application of heat to an item. This helps to keep the work clean. And that helps one to avoid mistakes. Plus, it keeps oxides from ruining your tools.
Thanks for your support! : )
Great video!
By the way, I thought that quenching the metal would harden it, could you explain it to me?
I an currently trying to make a mail shirt out of steel rings, and they need to be annealed.
Hi Astaziel, Ferrous metals, those containing iron, will harden with quenching. Precious metals such as gold and silver will soften with quenching. This is also true of copper and its alloys. This is because the quick chilling of the precious metal will inhibit the development of large crystals within the material. To grow the metal crystals for tasks like reticulation, you simply let the precious metal air cool after annealing.
Thanks for your support! : )
Thank you for the help and the quick reply :D
Astaziel which steel will You be annealing? that steel rings for mail shirts are commonly produced from very low carbon steel, that are very ductile and cannot be hardened.
I am not looking to harden the steel, but to anneal it
My point was, that if your steel cannot be hardened, then it is a good chance, that it will be good to machine anyway (for low carb steels there is however such thing as process annealing) :)
You gave a question that cannot be answered without specifying type of steel you will be using.
Was trying to help anyway, cheers:)
Can you use a micro torch like this one to anneal copper, brass and silver. Blazer GT8000 Big Shot Micro torch. Anti-flare, brass-frame nozzle, for safety and flame controlAttachable tabletop base, for hands-free useGas-flow adjustment dial, to control flame lengthPiezoelectric ignition system, requires no electrical connection2,500-degree F, torch flame, for a more precise flame tipI appreciate your help. Thank you.
Hi Kendra, a micro torch is only going to effectively anneal small pieces of metal. Most jewelry studios have a larger torch for annealing purposes. You can find an inexpensive torch for this purpose at most hardware stores. Remember to practice good fire safety.
Thanks for your support! : )
would this process be the same for nickel silver?
Hi Ronald, This process will work for "nickel silver". Personally I never work with the stuff. It's way too hard for my liking. Plus, some people have an allergy to it.
Thanks for your support! : )
Awesome! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed the video.
Thanks for your support! : )
Nice video thanks!
+CessnaacePVP
Glad you enjoyed the video. I hope you'll check out other videos on our playlist here on RUclips or on our website at: www.onlinejewelryacademy.com
Thanks for your support! : )
If it were iron or steel, quenching it quickly may harden it. This is not true with copper like you have there?
+newstart49 Correct. But you can also allow the copper to cool slowly if you prefer and still achieve the same result. Thanks for watching! : )
The point of annealing is to let it air cool, not quench it..
First, love the Pickle Rick image. Second, annealing for jewelry that uses nonferrous metals does allow one to quench or air cool. It all depends on whether or not you want small or large internal crystal growth.
Thanks for your support! : )
OnlineJewelryAcademy which one give which crystals?
I took about 2.5 years worth of metals classes in college, most people just went from the fire brick to the pickle pot. The goal is to soften metal to be able to work it properly, This tutorial brings back good memories.
That's just for iron and steel. The other metals stay soft when quenched.
@@MikeBSc fair enough. Not going to try to debate because I simply don't know. Thanks for the info. I'll shut up and keep in my lane 🤣
I’m not familiar with working copper but with most metals quenching hardens it. Doesn’t that defeat the softening you just did? With steel I’ve seen it heated to non magnetic then cooled slowly in perlite or ashes so that it stays soft when cool. Is copper different?
Hi Chris, Here's a link to an OJA video that will answer your question thoroughly: ruclips.net/video/mtZZOd8_CAU/видео.html Nonferrous metals react differently to heating and quenching.
Thanks for your support! : )
Only ferrous metals harden through quenching. There are more non ferrous metals than ferrous, so technically, most metals stay soft as a result of quenching.
Thanks man your awesome .
You have no idea. ; )
Thanks for your support! : )
Quenching is fine for copper, not steel in case anyone is wondering 😄
The OJA has a video on that topic. 🙂
The title of this video indicates that it is about non-ferrous metals. Steel is a ferrous metal.
Ummmmmm you let it air cool. You don't quinch it. Quinching makes it harder. And you definitely DO NOT quinch in water. You quinch in canola oil, motor oil, or commercial grade quinching oil. Just be sure that the canola oil is preheated to around 150-180 degrees. Water quinching can break the steel by cooling it way to fast..
Hi Keith, The OJA has a video entitled "To Quench Or Not To Quench". We made that video because we receive a number of comments like yours. Ferrous materials, those that contain iron, are handled in the manner that you described. But, nonferrous materials like copper, brass, gold and silver can be quenched in water. Sometimes an alcohol quench for metals like white gold is preferred. But, the information in the video is correct.
Thanks for your support! : )
This video is about non ferrous metals, which do typically remain soft when quenched.