I love all these movies but Rob Zombie made them truly brutal and more terrifying than ever. I love how Malcolm McDowell's performance was his own and not a Donald Pleasence impression. This was actually my favourite Brad Dourif role being so much more subtle than usual and genuinely sympathetic. Finally as brilliant as other performers have been, Tyler Maine was genuinely frightening and imposing with both his natural appearance and portrayal.
This video was awesome. Im glad someone addressed how Rob Zombie actually did do this franchise a service with his films regardless of if one likes them or not. Speaking of though, I LOVE both his Halloween films, and I have mad respect for you saying that you liked them, the second film of his especially. I honestly find them to be criminally underrated and underappreciated, I never thought the films ruined Michael like some say, he was terrifying in the films. Definitely my favorite Michael Myers ever. Great video.
@@TheLostRiverDriveInAbsolutely stellar position to take. I have a bad habit of defending the films to no ends myself, they're really creative, underrated, incredible films.
I'm so glad you pointed this out because this is a part of the industry a lot of people don't understand. They compare box office (which is rarely the actual total cost of production) to the gross box office and call it a success or failure. HOWEVER soooo many projects are used almost at litmus tests to see where audiences are and how to tap into those markets more effectively with other projects. I've been in the room when those decisions have been made, and you'd be surprised how common that is. They know full well they can lose money, which goes into their dealings outside of net ticket sales, but ultimately, they can see the long term, positive results once they know the target and proper way to turn these low to micro budget films into powerhouses. I'm not saying they're always so insightful, but more often than not, these suits have some pretty concrete methods to make money in the long run. Even bad publicity is a great tool.
Exactly! This industry is not black and white, at all. Look at Nightmare (2010). It made a lot of money, but everyone at the time hated it. They knew they couldn’t make a sequel, because nobody would watch it
100% agree. Never understood people that says he killed the franchise, ressurrection did that already and I would argue that Rob Zombie revived it. great vid as always btw
Resurrection was terrible, but it was never going to be the end of the franchise. H20 was far too successful prior to that. It didn't have to be Rob Zombie. Somebody was eventually going to direct another film no matter what. And yes, his 2007 film was successful. But his 2nd film wasn't at all. That didn't kill the franchise either.
I don't agree that Resurrection did what you say that it did. If 5 didn't kill it, nothing was ever going to, and because of Moustapha Akkad's declaration, it was never going to.
You know I just love how you say resurrection already ruined the franchise well for me personally no resurrection didn’t really for me personally Halloween five ruined the franchise and Halloween six H2O for me was a meh movie but it was OK wasn’t great but it wasn’t bad. Resurrection of course it has its flaws but for me personally I like it as a fun time waster it’s a fun film and it’s entertaining and I know I’m gonna get crucified for saying this but I like Busta Rhymes I like trick-or-treat motherfucker I like that I go fucking suck a dick. And I grew up in the early 2000s and resurrection with my first exposure to the franchise so I have a soft spot in my heart for the movie and it’s nowhere near as bad as the Rob Zombie films like I would rather watch resurrection over the Rob Zombie films. Because those films are just so bad and just so unbearable and just so unwatchable and it’s so goddamn annoying. But honestly though Halloween five was the start of it all like ruining the franchise because Halloween five was just a straight up terrible fucking movie.
A laughable send-off it was even she could have had changed if she truly cared, but didn't. I'm just talking about Laurie's direct death where she had to see if this man WHOSE CLEARLY TRYING TO KILL HER is in fact Michael (as if it even matters if it was a copy-cat because it'll still be self-defense) following the reveal that she killed the wrong person. Nevertheless, it was JLC's stupid story suggestions that led to that the writers took to heart. Oh yes! I'll copy-and-paste from a portion of my comment about JLC what I told this clown who has yet to respond to me: "Jamie Lee Curtis can't talk down on Resurrection when her lack of involvement is why the movie turned out the way it did. Maybe she should have taken on a bigger role and the movie would have been different. It was also HER idea to do have Laurie institutionalized and for them to do that ridiculous paramedic switcheroo to bring Michael back where she "killed the wrong person". Yeah, that was all her and those stupid writers just rolled with it. She's partially to blame for that movie's flaws and has no room to really talk down on how it turned out when her being in it more and not giving off crazy resurrection suggestions would have done wonders for the movie." Read it and weep. There's a video on here titled: "Jamie Lee Curtis on “Halloween: H20” and “Halloween: Resurrection” (2012)" which confirms what I'm saying. I highly doubt she "doesn't speak on it as though she's that embarrassed by it. I barely see her talking about Halloween II or H2O like that. She's mentioned Resurrection a few times over the years and the lack of constantly bringing it up is the case of it being a movie really doing nothing for her famous-wise and was only in it for a cameo, not that she's just absolutely embarrassed by it as Nick probably WANTS to believe with his ignorant self.
She asked for it though. It was a condition of her doing H20, when she realized that Akkad never wanted Michael to actually die. She wanted to be killed off in the next Sequel, and when they couldn't talk her out of it, they gave her what she wanted.
@@anthonyclark9441 The execution could have been better though, but even then they left it in a way for her to be brought back if need be. Did that death even look definitive? The rest of the movie doesn't even state she died. They were definitely keeping their cards held with her in case she changed her mind.
I agree with you. I loved the first one, but I hate the second one. I can appreciate where he was going in the story with the second movie, I just didn’t agree with it. However, I do realize the impact of Rob Zombie and his Halloween franchise. I remember word-of-mouth also through the halls of my school and how amped I was to see Michael on the big screen for the first time in my life.
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn my brother did with a friend of his and as soon as the "ghost" kill nude scene happened they both gave each other the "awkward" look. I think of that every time
I personally love the Halloween Rob Zombie films. I enjoy the back story of why Michael was the way he was. Of course I'm into the psychology of why a killer is a killer. Nature vs. nurture? So that perspective to me was really interesting. In Michael's case in those movies a little nature ( something was already in him that was evil) but more nurture caused him to be a killer (his home life festered it)but I digress. I personally haven't watched after Halloween 5 the whole resurrection phase. I watched up till Halloween 5 and then Rob Zombie films then the trilogy later. I was looking at the movies of that time. Hostel II, The girl next door, Captivity, etc. many movies of torture and depravity. So it doesn't surprise me that these movies were made at this time. Way more 'grittier'. Of course I love a good gritty movie. I agree the revival of these 2 films brought Michael back to life. Great vid Nick!!!
I’ll be honest Nick, your take on the RZ Halloween films has given me more a positive perspective on them. I’ll be eventually re-watching them and see if my thoughts have changed. W Vid as Always. 🔥🤘
It messed up entirely. What are you talking about? Clearly you need to watch the movie again with new eyes because the ones you have are not doing it for you.
@@Blotzwave The movie was trash and led nowhere in the long run. It was a super contrast mess that ruined everything that made the 1978 movie what it was, clearly a style best suited for Texas Chainsaw Massacre, following a tired remake trend at the time that was ridiculous in and of itself. A financial success it was unfortunately but quality-wise a downer.
@@DevonteHuntley-mj6py Well clearly you have a different opinion than Warren above. That's all. Also kinda worth noting that the reason it didn't go anywhere, is because that continuity ended with the second one. No need to overstay its welcome, just first one, second one, series over. It was the first Halloween continuity to have a proper ending, since Halloween 6 was going to have sequel that got dropped, and Halloween Ressurection was going to have a sequel that got dropped.
@@Blotzwave Wrong. Zombie may have intended the continuity to end with the second movie in his series, but that doesn't mean it HAD to be the case. Dimension wanted to kickstart the series again and they weren't gonna let that be the case no matter what Zombie intended. They quickly went into development with the third movie which continued the second one, a written script too which you can find online: Halloween 3D. But it was shelved because Dimension didn't want to move too quick and from there the sequel just got scrapped and the series temporarily died altogether. But there was room to continue on for at least another movie and who knows? With some creative minds we could have gotten a fourth, a fifth, and even a sixth. Hell, Blumhouse's movies could have been tweaked and followed the RZ canon with Scout's Laurie rather than JLC's and Karen and Allyson could have been other characters not related to her given Scout's Laurie being much younger now. Story ideas could have worked to keep the RZ series going for a bit.
I understand completely where you’re coming from nick, he brought us out of the gutter after resurrection and who knows if without RZ Halloween would’ve been screwed.
I agree 100% if it continued the h ressurrection route, I wonder where the franchise would even be. And I love the 07 Halloween movie I think it’s overly hated and deserves more love. Especially after the recent Halloween films..
Rob did save the franchise thats just a fact really , while i dont care for his first Halloween movie i think his second Halloween movie is so underrated it captures trauma pretty well and how saddly some people dont know how to recover from it. The only thing i dont like about the second one is the ghost mom thing.
If you don't like the ghost mom thing, allow me to explain why I actually don't mind it. She isn't a ghost of his mother. Michael says he sees her before his mother is even dead, so she's clearly not a ghost. She's not even real, she's a hallucination. Basically, shes the voices and driving forces in Michael's head manifesting in the form of his mother, the only person in his life, who, for a while, treated him the way he wanted to be treated.
I love the Rob Zombie films. Saw both in theaters and just loved how artistic it felt. You can see a man truly letting his art breathe, especially with Halloween 2. My main criticism is in Part 2 & it's Laurie's group of friends that, like Halloween 5 are just there. And the theatrical cut wasn't impressive for Halloween. His director's cut however I did enjoy. I do wish we got his original script version and the documentary he was making but he hated working on it because of Dimension. I love Malcolm McDowell in Part 1, but with a majority of Part 2 he was just very unlikable. Not even comparing it to Donald Pleasance because he was nutty in Halloween 5, but I just felt like Malcolm was overacting a tad. Tyler Mane is a great Michael, visceral and scary. Just like Derek Mears as Jason and Jackie Earle Hayley as Freddy Krueger (one of the only good things about that film). I'm glad Rob finished his story though, hate that both Halloween 6 & Resurrection ended on cliffhangers. Films shouldn't be TV shows that get cancelled prematurely because not enough people watch, screwing over the loyal fans who are now left hanging.
I’m happy to hear that you love them. For too long, his movies have been crapped on by a spoiled fanbase who refuses to accept change, and that’s just the truth
Agreed, hey I'm also a Superman and The Crow fan and both fan bases are like babies throwing crap at each other. Especially as a Superman AND Zack Snyder fan. @@TheLostRiverDriveIn
Rob Zombie’s Halloween movies will never be my favorite movies in the franchise. They will always be at the bottom of any franchise ranking I make if I ever make one. Now, that doesn’t mean that I am incapable of pointing out things that I may like ABOUT those movies, even if I’m not their biggest fan. About your argument, I think you are correct, but I think there is a larger picture here. Halloween seems to have a legacy of finding itself in intensive care and miraculously coming back from being nearly dead. Let’s look at it on a chronological linear timeline: 1982: Halloween III, a movie that I love, damn near killed the Halloween franchise, until Halloween 4 (another movie that I love) brought it back to life and saved it. 1995: Halloween 6, a movie that I love, damn near killed the Halloween franchise, until Halloween H20, a movie that I like, brought it back and saved it. Remember, Halloween 7 was being prepared for direct to video until they were able to get Jamie Lee to return. 2002: Halloween Resurrection, a movie that I like, damn near killed the franchise until Rob Zombie brought it back in 2007. 2009: Rob Zombie damn near killed the Halloween franchise until it was brought back in a HUGE way in 2018. So, Halloween has a legacy, a reoccurring history of damn near dying and returning time and time again. So, historically speaking, I don’t think you are wrong about Rob Zombie saving the franchise; however, I think it is only fair to extend that same credit to Dwight Little, Steve Miner, and David Gordon Green. I think it is fair to say that if it weren’t for Dwight Little and Steve Miner, we would not even be talking about Rob Zombie right now.
Awesome video Nick hope you're well my awesome friend . yes Rob Zombie's Halloween saved the Franchise . Rob Zombie's Halloween is the greatest remake of all time with 2003's Texas Chainsaw massacre being a close second .
No I didn't agree with remaking one of the greatest horror films of all time, it did show a side of the characters that we were not able to have before and a bit of a backstory to Michael Myers. Even though I agree with John Carpenter the explanation that Michael Myers is just a force of nature. But the film did capture a lot of Great character moments that you probably would not have gotten back in the seventies.
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn when it finally came out my late brother convinced me to watch the film. Now what he had gotten was the director's cut and so that's the only one I had to go buy and I didn't care too much for a lot of the gore that had been put in the director's cut. But eventually did watch the theatrical version and didn't bother me as much and I did like it a little bit more than I did the first time watching.
@@seereadnhear the thing about those cuts is, the directors cut is so much better, except for the breakout scene. It’s totally unnecessary. But everything else in it, really makes for a better movie
Yes, someone who doesn’t need to make every character vile/trashy in order to give them a sense of character. Constant swearing and screaming is so lazy and uninteresting. Having Michael coming from a bad home and thus being or becoming evil, is even less interesting and lazier. Zombie is one of the worst at dialogue and characterization maybe ever. @@Talesfromtheshelf
@@Rweaveryeah I don’t really mind him. I respect him but his movies aren’t really for me. But that wasn’t really my point. What i was saying is that if he didn’t do the movie someone else would’ve and we don’t know how well or poorly received it would’ve been
Could someone have done it and done it better? Sure, that’s a possibility. But we can’t know that. What we do know is that he did it, and it made Halloween popular again. It’s like a chicken and the egg thing. Right place, right time I guess
Here's the thing though, Michael doesn't really talk, the guy just says one 3 letter word. And he immediately shuts up again right afterward. If you follow the story of that Michael Myers, him saying die to Loomis makes sense, so I forgive it.
I was one of those young teens that saw rob zombies Halloween on the DVD lol Saw alot tv spots during wwe This version is the one I saw the most, think of the most especially nicks amazing h2 reviews gave me a new breath to Halloween. Anyways thanks for making this video I definitely appreciated every word ❤
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn your thoughts are so good 👍 I thought I liked something but you put the same thing I like but present it so beautifully. I'm glad your one of the only few people defend it and have such unique insight. Anyways thank you. Will be rewatching. Hope to see you interview rob soon 🙏
@@Blotzwave hellz yeah! I guess it was too far outside of the standard "cookie-cutter" slasher formula. Which,ironically,is the very formula that we saw fully developed for the first time in the 1978 original. I would point to this film as an example of trying something a little different without completely meandering off course in an infuriating way,or being just straight out of left field. Which kind of makes it the "anti-Halloween Ends" installment of the franchise in my opinion.
@@Kenny-ep2nf it's not my favorite Halloween film,but it ranks pretty high. Of all the sequels,I actually think that the 2018 film is my favorite because of how well it sustained tension. But since I mentioned that,I should also mention that I HATED Halloween Ends. Which brings me back to Rob Zombie's Halloween II,because I thought that this film veered off the beaten path in a much better and natural feeling way than Ends did.
I dont want to argue or fight i just have a general question if rob didnt make his movies wouldnt blumhouse still have brought it back in 2018 especially if it had been that much longer but you are probably absolutely right if rob zombies movie hadnt made that Much money idk if blumhouse would have wasted the time on it and your absolutely right about the pop culture i was a junior when Halloween 2018 came out and the whole school and teachers were talking about it even people that i thought never watched horror were talking about it and one more thing its truely sad that h2018 didnt bring Freddy and jason back but i dont think its because of not wanting to but I'm afraid there gonna come back after no one cares and not make much money and go back in sleep mode for years
I don’t think Blumhouse would’ve had much interest if it hadn’t been revived, personally. I agree that Rob was in the right place at the right time, but, he’s still the one who did it
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn idk either I think Blumhouse would have maybe not went all out like they did on it and in a way they both revived slashers and Halloween
This new trilogy did the same by influencing all these "legacy" sequels... TCM Scream Insidious Hellraiser Jeepers Creepers. Halloween '18 may not be directly responsible for some it surely did jumpstart this remaquel era.
I have a love hate relationship with these two movies but they are still definitely my most rewatched besides the original. There is something about them. They give me a feeling I like revisiting.
ive been hearing rumers about another halloween . possibly another reboot again . i think they idea would be really cool if they did another halloween having it take place after halloween 4 ignoring halloween 5 bring back danielle harris for the reboot i think that would be a cool idea . i been allso hearing rumers about possibly another friday the 13th and a nightmare on elm street coming out
halloween resurrection can easily not exist to me. it ended with halloween h20 or in halloween ends to me. But aways i guess that by looking at it in this way its like the dark knight trilogy. breathed new life into the world of batman. similar effect. movies because they are fictional can stir up many emotions. new life must be one of them. this clip does make that point.
I don't and I fail to understand to see how people can think Rob Zombie had ruined the Halloween franchise when Resurrection had already did that with Busta Rhymes karate kicking Micheal out the fucking window and also electrocuting him in the balls leaving him to burn.
Zombies Halloweens are classics and better than the blumhouse trilogy. I will admit when i first seen H2 i was taken a back and didnt like it but i kept rewatching the directors cut over over thru the years on dvd and ended up loving it
The main issue with Zombies Halloween was, he took away the idea of nature vs nurture. Michael was raised in a semi normal household in the original and his nature took over to murder but with Rob, it was hillbilly heaven. Don’t even get me on his wife and the freaking rape scene. Zombie might’ve breather life into the franchise but at the same time he ruined the core of the original story. No longer was Michael a child and a “how could he do this” it become more of “well of course he did it, look at his upbringing”. Plus there was no Steven Seagal.
To be fair, there's more to Michael than just why "how could he do this." There's also the supernatural aspect. This aspect of him includes such things as to how Michael is seemingly indestructible, able to keep coming back no matter what, and seems to be field by some supernatural evil force. Zombie never explained this supernatural in his films. That aspect was always more mysterious to me than why he did it to begin with, so for that reason, I cannot honestly say I think Rob ruined Michael. He kinda explained the why, but not the how.
@@Blotzwave not really the supernatural since that came later and even Zombie didn’t explain why when Laurie shot him point blank in the head he’s walking around without a wound or missing part of his skull. Again, having Michael Myers is better than not having Michael Myers but at the same time, Zombie just did what Zombie does, but in the Halloweenverse. H2 had some great concepts such as PTSD and the fame from it all of Loomis because we see all these social media “celebs” and they’re the same self centered, ego driven spectacles like he was.
@@BryanMc977 Well, even in the first film, Michael grew a massive 7ft tall and had insane levels of strength despite just sitting in smith's grove for years and years. He also brushes off getting shot multiple times. And to be fair, we never see Laurie shoot him in the head. Her arms are waving around, and the gun goes off, but we never see it explicitly hit Michael. She tells herself and everyone else she must've got him, when in reality, the bullet must've just missed him due to her unsteady frantic aiming.
I'll go even further & say Zombie's Halloween movies obviously significantly influened the 2018-2022 trilogy & would those movies have even been made without his movies? Probably not, food for though anyway.
So I definitely quite enjoy his first remake, but the second one just bothers me on an emotional level. The way Lori is portrayed is kinda rough, I know it’s more “realistic” that she’s like that after experiencing that level trauma but idk something about her seemed over the top mean spirited. Michael shouldn’t talk, even if it’s one word, Michael should not EVER speak. And Dr. Loomis is honestly kinda unrecognizable. Idk why he decided to make him a media shill instead of wanting to put Michael down cuz it’s the right thing to do. Also he killed Danielle Harris and as a fan of Halloween 4 I can’t abide by that. Also, not a fan of making Michael more humanized, I kinda prefer him to be more a mysterious killing machine with no real motive other than he’s evil. But that’s my personal preference when it comes to the big man. I do enjoy the points you made though, I now have a new channel to watch.
I Love both of ROB ZOMBIE'S HALLOWEEN Films but i really Love his HALLOWEEN 2 even more because it's deals with PTSD & it's absolutely Balls To The Wall Bat-Shit Crazy 😀🤘😀🤘
No one should trash anyone for their opinion. But welcome to the internet . The other day on a FB Halloween site I actually made the comment that Rob Zombie's Halloween reignited interest in the franchise even though I don't like the movie and I think it was a bad movie that divided a lot of fans . However because it was something new and totally different with Rob Zombie, everyone could not wait until that first weekend to see what this was going to be . Therefore it reignited interest in Jason Blum and the David Gordon green trilogy. Because Rob Zombie put it out there and made it profitable again and it is always about money and money only . Without Rob Zombie's attempt at rebooting or remaking whatever you want to call it there would not have been a brand new Halloween movie in 2018 that would do a quarter of a billion dollars at the box office . And Rob Zombie also got people talking again even though it was against each other because sometimes division is good when it comes to popularity and getting more people into whatever it is. Just look at politics these days 10 years ago nobody cared now everyone is a political expert if you divide the fan base which is very die hard the next movie is going to profit off of that and if the promo is good it's going to do really good.
I also remember that video how Rob Zombie destroyed Halloween franchise. But I never thought of it that way I thought someone else is going to pick this thing up and make a movie that is worthy of 80% on Rotten Tomatoes. That's what happened. Now that 80% that Halloween 2018 received that's not by Die Hard fans. It is done by critics critics but it also did very well on the viewer part of Rotten Tomatoes I didn't think they would do the unthinkable again and erase everything after the original because of the confusion. But they did a good job with the promo because on most opening weekends you had the choice to watch the original Halloween and Halloween 2018 back-to-back in the theaters that way it would come at the viewer as one movie I think it worked extremely well and maybe even better than part 2 1981 but I do have to agree 110% Rob Zombie reignited the overall interest from the Casual horror fan. But you have to know Logistics in economics to understand how Rob Zombie reignited the franchise and to do that he did not have to make a great film
Agreed with the Resurrection comment. Imagine if that was the last Halloween film? It would probably have the same feeling as JAWS IV the revenge being the last. What a terrible way to go! As for Zombie, I say he won. His movies were better than Green’s. He wasn’t handed Jamie Lee on a silver platter either. Speaking of whom, Scout Taylor Compton will always be my Laurie Strode. Speaking of the Savior: Can Justin Fields save the Steelers’ Franchise?! LOL!
Without Rob Zombie, we could've gotten the masterpiece that would've been Halloween: Revelations. For real tho, He absolutely saved the franchise from going to direct to video mediocrity. We would've never gotten a theatrical Halloween again. Thats the absolute TRUTH.
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn I feel like halloween was blessed in some sort of way. After H6, there was risk of it going straight to video. But H20 came along (had it not been for SCREAM) and really reintroduced audiences to Michael Myers. Then after H20 came a lackluster ( but guilty pleasure of mine) sequel. RZ Brought it back to the serious tone we had been missing since H5 imo. But since then, Michael Myers is the main Google search of the "boogeyman".
I disagree that Rob saved the Halloween franchise. I think he almost killed it, due to alot of fan of the original 1978 film thought his take was garbage.
I'm not hating on the films but you're giving the films way too much credit. He didn't kick off anything. F13 was stuck in development hell for awhile because paramount and New Line had to come to agreement for it to happen and studios don't like sharing
I wouldn't say it saved he went in a different direction. Some people liked it, and other people didn't like it. I felt he gave Michael too much backstory it was scarier not knowing why he did what he did
To me I’ve always thought of it in this lens: the writers of the films prior was writing themselves into corner after corner after corner. The first two Myers films symbolized a duology and Michael was dead, but also that Laurie and Michael were siblings. The third film tried to establish an anthology but it backfired. 4 had to retcon the ending of 2, but the direction of this connection to Michael and Jamie making this family tree line. And then 5 inserted crap that 6 felt compelled to answer, and the writing was on the wall. If any movie saved the Halloween franchise I’d argue it was Halloween: H20. The Halloween franchise was sentenced to straight to video before Jamie Lee Curtis came back for a single film, so she thought. The ending of the movie killed Michael yet again, but now Resurrection comes back and retcons it again - but Halloween stayed in the theaters at least. By the time Zombies movies came out - it was refreshing to see a new take because it wasn’t retconning or moving from previous corners writers wrote themselves into. It was meant to be a standalone but studio wanted a second so we got it. And we almost got Halloween 3D if circumstances were adjusted by a mere three days. I’m on the fence with this idea, because I think Halloween 2007 helped bring slashers back in the late 2000’s but did it save the Halloween franchise? That’s a tough call. Without Halloween - you can argue slasher remake craze wouldn’t have happened when it did. But I don’t think it wouldn’t have happened without it - the question is who was gonna do it first and when it would happen. I’d actually argue it did the opposite in terms of what the studio was hoping to do - but the studio was going to milk it if they didn’t run out of money with or without Rob Zombie anyways. But what I’m getting at is that both movies were critically slammed, and while the first one made a ton of money, the second one didn’t off reputation. So technically zombies films both brought back Halloween and saved it from Dimension Extreme damnation (the straight to video line of the time), but it also killed momentum of the franchise at the same time. To me, the Zombie movies were a fluke. It happened exactly at the right place, right time. It helped bring back slashers post post-scream era, and ushered in the remake era. But in terms of what it did to the Halloween franchise - I’d argue it brought upon a whole generation of fans to the IP sure, but didn’t matter much in the grand scheme of things. The end result ended up being what the H20 timeline did before DGG reset it again in 2018. Just my take - but awesome video Nick!
I agree that it would’ve eventually been remade regardless, but, what if it were to lesser results? We’ve seen some remakes absolutely tank because of negative word of mouth, and their proposed “reboot” is dead before it even began. I think it was a bit of both, right place right time, and Rob revitalizing the property in a way that resonated with modern audiences
As much people may not like what I’m about to say but he did save it because of not the “Halloween” franchise would be just like the Hellraiser and Children Of The Corn straight to DVD releases. Halloween (2007) was a big hit especially at that time. He made Michael Myers scary again Tyler Mane did a good job playing The Shape and the same goes for Scout Taylor Compton as Laurie Strode. Rob Zombie brought Danielle Harris back to the franchise and I’m glad he did. Although I found it odd that both RZH1, RZH2 were released in August instead of October (especially RZH2) I still think they would’ve done Halloween (2018) level box office numbers and successful before Halloween (2018) was even a thing) I low key wish we got the unmade sequel to Rob Zombie’s Halloween II (2009) known as Halloween 3 written by Stefan Hutchinson.
He absolutely injected it with life again. I’m not trying to make anybody like the movie, but, you’ve got to give the guy credit for bringing Halloween out of the depths of hell
In defense of Loomis acting that way, you have to understand where the character was at. He had spent a whole 15 years of his life trying to aid a murderous mental patient with no success, the patient actually got worse in all honesty. Then, he escaped, and nearly killed him, Loomis came super close to death. Remember that everyone thought Michael was dead, so Loomis, having barely survived Michael, now thinking that the 15 year long burden on his life was finally gone, had a new lease on life. The threat was gone, and now he can enjoy the fame and riches he gains from sharing about the deadly burden from his life that he's been able to move on from. Of course, this makes him snobby, but as we see twords the end of the film, when Loomis realizes Michael is alive and is threatening Laurie all because of him, Loomis realizes the error of ways, and goes back to his old self, reading to put his life on the line to stop Michael and save Laurie.
2018 doesn’t happen, in my opinion, without the remake. I doubt Blum would’ve wanted a franchise that was dormant for almost 20 years and left off with Resurrection
While some may find fault with Rob Zombie's interpretation of the Halloween franchise, it is undeniable that he brought a fresh and gritty perspective that revitalized Michael Myers. The white trash scenes at the beginning of the movie could have been handled better or skipped altogether, but both the 2007 film and its sequel are solid entries in the series. Therefore, yes, Rob Zombie did indeed save the franchise.
And as someone who likes his movies, I absolutely agree. The first act of Halloween 2007 makes me cringe at times, it really does. But there’s a lot to like in both films. Especially H2
Sorry, but you are absolutely incorrect. JLC coming back in H20 100% saved the franchise. H7 was doomed, heading for a straight to video release. The franchise may have never recovered. Rob Zombie actually damaged it with his God awful, nearly universally hated 2nd film.
@TheLostRiverDriveIn Resurrection is absolutely horrible, but it didn't kill the franchise anymore than H5 or H6 did. It actually made a lot more money than either of those. You are just looking for ways to give Zombie extra credit he doesn't deserve.
@TheLostRiverDriveIn I'm curious, why do you make it a point to give Rob Zombie credit for saving the franchise, but not, say, Dwight H. Little for successfully bringing the series back after H3 buried it? Or Steve Miner after H5 and H6 were back to back bombs? Or even DGG after Rob Zombie shit the bed with H2? The series has been in trouble many times before. And many other directors besides Zombie were able to revive it. You just happen to like those movies and want to make them seem important. They really aren't though. Without them, H18 likely would have still happened.
I think you have the right to like the movie because we all have different taste, but to say RZ saved the Halloween franchise? That’s a major cap. He literally made Micheal a bum hillbilly from a trailer trash family and Laurie a narcissistic brat. RZH1 already had very mixed reviews while its follow up sequel was poorly received. Are you drunk or something..?
Did you watch, or just read the title? I’m legitimately curious. I am not arguing that he “saved it” by making a good movie. I’m saying he saved the franchise from direct to DVD hell and made it a popular product again
I am just a casual Halloween fan. I’ve seen them all and I dislike most of them. I like the original, part II, Part III is my favorite. I really like the RZ version of Michael Myers the best, despite just thinking the movies are just okay.
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After Halloween resurrection the franchise was dead in the water I am not the biggest fan of Rob zombie’s Halloween movies I do respect he had the guts to something different and made his own I didn’t like Myers look in Halloween 2 he looked like a Hillbilly unmasked I thought Brad Dourif acted his ass off as sheriff bracket !! Scout Taylor as Laurie Strode did a phenomenal job !! it did get people talking!!
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn for that I appreciate Rob doing his Halloween movies without Rob Zombie’s two Halloween movies franchise might have went straight to DVD resurrection was 💩
i think robs two movies are decent movies and worthy of there place in the franchise . hist first movie i like the change up of micheals back story . but the dialogue is dosghit robs greatest weakness his script writing . and its a mess tone wise first half is robs movie second half is halloween 78 with rob zombie elements . rob admits he wanted to do two movies with the first young micheal which what should have been done . in his remake the smiths grove segment is rushed and has no time to breath . its over stuffed and disjointed , still a 3 star movie halloween 2 is his movie his baby and it is awesome . i love how its lauries story and her descent into madness and micheal is a side character if you think about it . i like the direction they go with loomis . its it perfect no the dialgoue is still weak in spots . but its the third best pfthe franchise after 78 and halloween 4 . but you know horror fans never want nothing new so its get shit on . we are a minority but us halloween 2 fans exist and we are proud to love this movie
I wish you didn't need to feel the need to preface things with "I'm not trying to convince you". I think I get why you do it (I recall you did it when we disagreed about Chucky and the TV series), but the fact people get so anal about you having a diffent opinion is weird and off-putting. Like it's not the end of the world folks if Nick thinks a movie you like is shit and vice versa.
You’re not wrong about it not being the end of the world, but I wanted to preface with this video specifically because I didn’t want people thinking my point was to sing the praises of his films
No, I get you. Was just venting about how some people get too upset over movie discussions. But like I said I get you. Zombie saved the franchise from becoming DTV.@@TheLostRiverDriveIn
Look at Nicholas, defending trash movies as usual. How are you still alive and with a fanbase? Nothing wrong with taking the original and putting a spin on it, but to say what Rob Zombie did with his take being justified is just absolutely ridiculous. His style did not fit Halloween and he had too much cursing, sexual stuff, gore, everything that the original was NOT he basically did. That's like making a Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake removing all the stuff that made that movie what it is and you basically have the original Halloween in contrast: basically no gore or grossness, simple, and very little action. Furthermore, the remake only did well because it was part of that ridiculous trend at the time where everything was getting remade and it was just a popular thing that was of course going to make money. All of them did whether they were good or bad. Furthermore it was a trend that began ironically enough with the TCM remake from 2003 and the success that had leading to endless horror remakes such as The Hitcher, Black Christmas, Amityville, The Hills Have Eyes, etc. that thankfully ended with that disaster known as the A Nightmare on Elm Street remake by 2010. Sorry Nicholas, but RZH did not start a trend here. It may have directly led to remakes such as F13 and Nightmare since it had Michael who is tied heavily to Jason and Freddy as a horror sibling, but the trend was already in gear from the success of the TCM remake. I doubt My Bloody Valentine is the result of RZH, more-so just the remake craze in general. You're giving this movie too much credit here. I'm also sick of all the lies about how Resurrection killed the franchise. Not one bit. They still could have made a sequel, and we likely would have gotten one had Moustapha Akkad still been alive because he was not going to settle for some remake. Rob chose to do one because of the trend and so he didn't have to make a movie that was in line with the other ones and thus can make it his way in his style entirely. If he did do a sequel I can imagine he'd have to tone down some things and follow an existing continuity with an established lore already limiting him. But it just goes to show, Rob was wrong for the job and Dimension and Malek Akkad are dumb for allowing this to even happen which led nowhere because it spawned one sequel and that series was quickly put to rest afterwards. What a waste! Michael was too "worn out" to be involved in Freddy Vs. Jason 2? That makes no sense given how much relevant he was by the 2000s given the success of H2O and then Resurrection following it versus Freddy and Jason having only the crossover to break back bread with their popularity. Before the crossover, Freddy's last movie was in 1994 with New Nightmare and Jason X didn't really crack Jason back into the spotlight that much and even with Resurrection not doing THAT well financially or critically, the H2O wave was still there and thus Michael was the top icon here by the mid-2000s. F13 and Nightmare also had longer hiatuses between movies if anything those franchises were tired. But Michael wouldn't have been a good fit to fight with them anyway since he's just a guy with a knife and would lose instantly in a three-way fight. Also, Jamie Lee Curtis can't talk down on Resurrection when her lack of involvement is why the movie turned out the way it did. Maybe she should have taken on a bigger role and the movie would have been different. It was also HER idea to do have Laurie institutionalized and for them to do that ridiculous paramedic switcheroo to bring Michael back where she "killed the wrong person". Yeah, that was all her and those stupid writers just rolled with it. She's partially to blame for that movie's flaws and has no room to really talk down on how it turned out when her being in it more and not giving off crazy resurrection suggestions would have done wonders for the movie.
I love all these movies but Rob Zombie made them truly brutal and more terrifying than ever. I love how Malcolm McDowell's performance was his own and not a Donald Pleasence impression. This was actually my favourite Brad Dourif role being so much more subtle than usual and genuinely sympathetic. Finally as brilliant as other performers have been, Tyler Maine was genuinely frightening and imposing with both his natural appearance and portrayal.
YESSSSSS! You get it!
No matter if it's DGGs trilogy or the thorn trilogy or rob zombies films, I just fucking love Halloween
Same lol
This video was awesome.
Im glad someone addressed how Rob Zombie actually did do this franchise a service with his films regardless of if one likes them or not.
Speaking of though, I LOVE both his Halloween films, and I have mad respect for you saying that you liked them, the second film of his especially.
I honestly find them to be criminally underrated and underappreciated, I never thought the films ruined Michael like some say, he was terrifying in the films.
Definitely my favorite Michael Myers ever.
Great video.
Thank you! Yeah, H2 holds a very special place in my heart, and always will. I make no bones about it
@@TheLostRiverDriveInAbsolutely stellar position to take. I have a bad habit of defending the films to no ends myself, they're really creative, underrated, incredible films.
Love your content! I’m thankful you exist 🔥
I’m thankful you watch 🫶
I'm so glad you pointed this out because this is a part of the industry a lot of people don't understand. They compare box office (which is rarely the actual total cost of production) to the gross box office and call it a success or failure. HOWEVER soooo many projects are used almost at litmus tests to see where audiences are and how to tap into those markets more effectively with other projects. I've been in the room when those decisions have been made, and you'd be surprised how common that is. They know full well they can lose money, which goes into their dealings outside of net ticket sales, but ultimately, they can see the long term, positive results once they know the target and proper way to turn these low to micro budget films into powerhouses. I'm not saying they're always so insightful, but more often than not, these suits have some pretty concrete methods to make money in the long run. Even bad publicity is a great tool.
Exactly! This industry is not black and white, at all. Look at Nightmare (2010). It made a lot of money, but everyone at the time hated it. They knew they couldn’t make a sequel, because nobody would watch it
100% agree. Never understood people that says he killed the franchise, ressurrection did that already and I would argue that Rob Zombie revived it.
great vid as always btw
Thank you!
Yeah, Resurrection did its best to make Halloween irrelevant again lol
Resurrection was terrible, but it was never going to be the end of the franchise. H20 was far too successful prior to that. It didn't have to be Rob Zombie. Somebody was eventually going to direct another film no matter what. And yes, his 2007 film was successful. But his 2nd film wasn't at all. That didn't kill the franchise either.
I don't agree that Resurrection did what you say that it did. If 5 didn't kill it, nothing was ever going to, and because of Moustapha Akkad's declaration, it was never going to.
You know I just love how you say resurrection already ruined the franchise well for me personally no resurrection didn’t really for me personally Halloween five ruined the franchise and Halloween six H2O for me was a meh movie but it was OK wasn’t great but it wasn’t bad. Resurrection of course it has its flaws but for me personally I like it as a fun time waster it’s a fun film and it’s entertaining and I know I’m gonna get crucified for saying this but I like Busta Rhymes I like trick-or-treat motherfucker I like that I go fucking suck a dick. And I grew up in the early 2000s and resurrection with my first exposure to the franchise so I have a soft spot in my heart for the movie and it’s nowhere near as bad as the Rob Zombie films like I would rather watch resurrection over the Rob Zombie films. Because those films are just so bad and just so unbearable and just so unwatchable and it’s so goddamn annoying. But honestly though Halloween five was the start of it all like ruining the franchise because Halloween five was just a straight up terrible fucking movie.
Agreed, if it wasn't for Rob we actually may not of had more Halloween remakes
Can't blame Jamie for a minite not discussing Resurrection again. Not after her laughable sendoff in that.
Yeah, it’s for the best lol
A laughable send-off it was even she could have had changed if she truly cared, but didn't. I'm just talking about Laurie's direct death where she had to see if this man WHOSE CLEARLY TRYING TO KILL HER is in fact Michael (as if it even matters if it was a copy-cat because it'll still be self-defense) following the reveal that she killed the wrong person. Nevertheless, it was JLC's stupid story suggestions that led to that the writers took to heart. Oh yes! I'll copy-and-paste from a portion of my comment about JLC what I told this clown who has yet to respond to me: "Jamie Lee Curtis can't talk down on Resurrection when her lack of involvement is why the movie turned out the way it did. Maybe she should have taken on a bigger role and the movie would have been different. It was also HER idea to do have Laurie institutionalized and for them to do that ridiculous paramedic switcheroo to bring Michael back where she "killed the wrong person". Yeah, that was all her and those stupid writers just rolled with it. She's partially to blame for that movie's flaws and has no room to really talk down on how it turned out when her being in it more and not giving off crazy resurrection suggestions would have done wonders for the movie." Read it and weep. There's a video on here titled: "Jamie Lee Curtis on “Halloween: H20” and “Halloween: Resurrection” (2012)" which confirms what I'm saying. I highly doubt she "doesn't speak on it as though she's that embarrassed by it. I barely see her talking about Halloween II or H2O like that. She's mentioned Resurrection a few times over the years and the lack of constantly bringing it up is the case of it being a movie really doing nothing for her famous-wise and was only in it for a cameo, not that she's just absolutely embarrassed by it as Nick probably WANTS to believe with his ignorant self.
She asked for it though. It was a condition of her doing H20, when she realized that Akkad never wanted Michael to actually die. She wanted to be killed off in the next Sequel, and when they couldn't talk her out of it, they gave her what she wanted.
@@anthonyclark9441 The execution could have been better though, but even then they left it in a way for her to be brought back if need be. Did that death even look definitive? The rest of the movie doesn't even state she died. They were definitely keeping their cards held with her in case she changed her mind.
Jamie who?
I didn’t like his movies , but I can say I grew to like them. Part 1 especially. Thanks for the awesome content!
I agree with you. I loved the first one, but I hate the second one. I can appreciate where he was going in the story with the second movie, I just didn’t agree with it. However, I do realize the impact of Rob Zombie and his Halloween franchise. I remember word-of-mouth also through the halls of my school and how amped I was to see Michael on the big screen for the first time in my life.
i would argue the blum trilogy took a lot from the zombie films, from the brutality to the themes, but did it in the carpenter style
I still remember me and one of my friends was watching the first rob zombie halloween movie when it came out.
Opening day!
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn my brother did with a friend of his and as soon as the "ghost" kill nude scene happened they both gave each other the "awkward" look. I think of that every time
I first saw it around November 2022 with my friend, watched the second one a month or so later but didn't enjoy it as much as the first one
I personally love the Halloween Rob Zombie films. I enjoy the back story of why Michael was the way he was. Of course I'm into the psychology of why a killer is a killer. Nature vs. nurture? So that perspective to me was really interesting. In Michael's case in those movies a little nature ( something was already in him that was evil) but more nurture caused him to be a killer (his home life festered it)but I digress. I personally haven't watched after Halloween 5 the whole resurrection phase. I watched up till Halloween 5 and then Rob Zombie films then the trilogy later.
I was looking at the movies of that time. Hostel II, The girl next door, Captivity, etc. many movies of torture and depravity. So it doesn't surprise me that these movies were made at this time. Way more 'grittier'. Of course I love a good gritty movie.
I agree the revival of these 2 films brought Michael back to life. Great vid Nick!!!
I’ll be honest Nick, your take on the RZ Halloween films has given me more a positive perspective on them. I’ll be eventually re-watching them and see if my thoughts have changed. W Vid as Always. 🔥🤘
H2 brother. It’s the truth.
I've always liked RZH1, but I really have to be in a certain mood to watch it. I'd like to revisit his H2 soon as well.
This is the only remix that didn’t mess up
It messed up entirely. What are you talking about? Clearly you need to watch the movie again with new eyes because the ones you have are not doing it for you.
@@DevonteHuntley-mj6py Wow it's almost like people can have different opinions and dont have to agree with you on everything.
@@Blotzwave The movie was trash and led nowhere in the long run. It was a super contrast mess that ruined everything that made the 1978 movie what it was, clearly a style best suited for Texas Chainsaw Massacre, following a tired remake trend at the time that was ridiculous in and of itself. A financial success it was unfortunately but quality-wise a downer.
@@DevonteHuntley-mj6py Well clearly you have a different opinion than Warren above. That's all.
Also kinda worth noting that the reason it didn't go anywhere, is because that continuity ended with the second one.
No need to overstay its welcome, just first one, second one, series over. It was the first Halloween continuity to have a proper ending, since Halloween 6 was going to have sequel that got dropped, and Halloween Ressurection was going to have a sequel that got dropped.
@@Blotzwave Wrong. Zombie may have intended the continuity to end with the second movie in his series, but that doesn't mean it HAD to be the case. Dimension wanted to kickstart the series again and they weren't gonna let that be the case no matter what Zombie intended. They quickly went into development with the third movie which continued the second one, a written script too which you can find online: Halloween 3D. But it was shelved because Dimension didn't want to move too quick and from there the sequel just got scrapped and the series temporarily died altogether. But there was room to continue on for at least another movie and who knows? With some creative minds we could have gotten a fourth, a fifth, and even a sixth. Hell, Blumhouse's movies could have been tweaked and followed the RZ canon with Scout's Laurie rather than JLC's and Karen and Allyson could have been other characters not related to her given Scout's Laurie being much younger now. Story ideas could have worked to keep the RZ series going for a bit.
I understand completely where you’re coming from nick, he brought us out of the gutter after resurrection and who knows if without RZ Halloween would’ve been screwed.
I agree 100% if it continued the h ressurrection route, I wonder where the franchise would even be. And I love the 07 Halloween movie I think it’s overly hated and deserves more love. Especially after the recent Halloween films..
I hated H20 and Resurrection with every fiber of my being so RZ1 was refreshing...RZ2 went off the rails after Laurie woke up from her hospital dream.
It did, and I love it for that 😂
Rob did save the franchise thats just a fact really , while i dont care for his first Halloween movie i think his second Halloween movie is so underrated it captures trauma pretty well and how saddly some people dont know how to recover from it. The only thing i dont like about the second one is the ghost mom thing.
H2 is one of my favorite horror films ever made. You’ll get no argument from me
If you don't like the ghost mom thing, allow me to explain why I actually don't mind it.
She isn't a ghost of his mother.
Michael says he sees her before his mother is even dead, so she's clearly not a ghost.
She's not even real, she's a hallucination. Basically, shes the voices and driving forces in Michael's head manifesting in the form of his mother, the only person in his life, who, for a while, treated him the way he wanted to be treated.
I love the Rob Zombie films. Saw both in theaters and just loved how artistic it felt. You can see a man truly letting his art breathe, especially with Halloween 2.
My main criticism is in Part 2 & it's Laurie's group of friends that, like Halloween 5 are just there. And the theatrical cut wasn't impressive for Halloween. His director's cut however I did enjoy. I do wish we got his original script version and the documentary he was making but he hated working on it because of Dimension. I love Malcolm McDowell in Part 1, but with a majority of Part 2 he was just very unlikable. Not even comparing it to Donald Pleasance because he was nutty in Halloween 5, but I just felt like Malcolm was overacting a tad.
Tyler Mane is a great Michael, visceral and scary. Just like Derek Mears as Jason and Jackie Earle Hayley as Freddy Krueger (one of the only good things about that film).
I'm glad Rob finished his story though, hate that both Halloween 6 & Resurrection ended on cliffhangers. Films shouldn't be TV shows that get cancelled prematurely because not enough people watch, screwing over the loyal fans who are now left hanging.
I’m happy to hear that you love them. For too long, his movies have been crapped on by a spoiled fanbase who refuses to accept change, and that’s just the truth
Agreed, hey I'm also a Superman and The Crow fan and both fan bases are like babies throwing crap at each other. Especially as a Superman AND Zack Snyder fan. @@TheLostRiverDriveIn
I agree bro. 100 percent. It's unpopular but true. He did save Halloween.
I absolutely love, and still love HALLOWEEN '07+09'. Weinstein should've left RZ alone to make his trilogy.🎃
Man, I will always want a third movie lol. I’ll never truly be able to say goodbye
Rob Zombie’s Halloween movies will never be my favorite movies in the franchise. They will always be at the bottom of any franchise ranking I make if I ever make one. Now, that doesn’t mean that I am incapable of pointing out things that I may like ABOUT those movies, even if I’m not their biggest fan.
About your argument, I think you are correct, but I think there is a larger picture here. Halloween seems to have a legacy of finding itself in intensive care and miraculously coming back from being nearly dead. Let’s look at it on a chronological linear timeline:
1982: Halloween III, a movie that I love, damn near killed the Halloween franchise, until Halloween 4 (another movie that I love) brought it back to life and saved it.
1995: Halloween 6, a movie that I love, damn near killed the Halloween franchise, until Halloween H20, a movie that I like, brought it back and saved it. Remember, Halloween 7 was being prepared for direct to video until they were able to get Jamie Lee to return.
2002: Halloween Resurrection, a movie that I like, damn near killed the franchise until Rob Zombie brought it back in 2007.
2009: Rob Zombie damn near killed the Halloween franchise until it was brought back in a HUGE way in 2018.
So, Halloween has a legacy, a reoccurring history of damn near dying and returning time and time again.
So, historically speaking, I don’t think you are wrong about Rob Zombie saving the franchise; however, I think it is only fair to extend that same credit to Dwight Little, Steve Miner, and David Gordon Green. I think it is fair to say that if it weren’t for Dwight Little and Steve Miner, we would not even be talking about Rob Zombie right now.
Awesome video Nick hope you're well my awesome friend . yes Rob Zombie's Halloween saved the Franchise . Rob Zombie's Halloween is the greatest remake of all time with 2003's Texas Chainsaw massacre being a close second .
Hell yeah Rick! I hope you’re well buddy
No I didn't agree with remaking one of the greatest horror films of all time, it did show a side of the characters that we were not able to have before and a bit of a backstory to Michael Myers. Even though I agree with John Carpenter the explanation that Michael Myers is just a force of nature. But the film did capture a lot of Great character moments that you probably would not have gotten back in the seventies.
There’s a lot to like about both of his Halloween films, as well as a lot to not like. It’s a very mixed bag lol
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn when it finally came out my late brother convinced me to watch the film. Now what he had gotten was the director's cut and so that's the only one I had to go buy and I didn't care too much for a lot of the gore that had been put in the director's cut. But eventually did watch the theatrical version and didn't bother me as much and I did like it a little bit more than I did the first time watching.
@@seereadnhear the thing about those cuts is, the directors cut is so much better, except for the breakout scene. It’s totally unnecessary. But everything else in it, really makes for a better movie
I despise RZ's Halloween films. But yes, he saved the series, even I can't deny that.
I can't deny it.
Just to play devils advocate, if it wasn’t him is it not feasible that someone else could’ve done it and maybe even done it better?
@@Talesfromtheshelf Possibly. I've always wondered how James Wan, David Sandberg or Robert Eggers would handle a Halloween movie.
Yes, someone who doesn’t need to make every character vile/trashy in order to give them a sense of character. Constant swearing and screaming is so lazy and uninteresting. Having Michael coming from a bad home and thus being or becoming evil, is even less interesting and lazier. Zombie is one of the worst at dialogue and characterization maybe ever. @@Talesfromtheshelf
@@Rweaveryeah I don’t really mind him. I respect him but his movies aren’t really for me. But that wasn’t really my point. What i was saying is that if he didn’t do the movie someone else would’ve and we don’t know how well or poorly received it would’ve been
Could someone have done it and done it better? Sure, that’s a possibility. But we can’t know that. What we do know is that he did it, and it made Halloween popular again. It’s like a chicken and the egg thing. Right place, right time I guess
The first one was ok. I loved Taylor's " Michael Myers" .
He lost me when he had Michael talk in the second one.
That’s the directors cut lol. I don’t prefer that version
Here's the thing though, Michael doesn't really talk, the guy just says one 3 letter word.
And he immediately shuts up again right afterward.
If you follow the story of that Michael Myers, him saying die to Loomis makes sense, so I forgive it.
I was one of those young teens that saw rob zombies Halloween on the DVD lol
Saw alot tv spots during wwe
This version is the one I saw the most, think of the most especially nicks amazing h2 reviews gave me a new breath to Halloween.
Anyways thanks for making this video I definitely appreciated every word ❤
I appreciate you taking the time to watch it and share your thoughts ❤️
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn your thoughts are so good 👍 I thought I liked something but you put the same thing I like but present it so beautifully.
I'm glad your one of the only few people defend it and have such unique insight. Anyways thank you. Will be rewatching. Hope to see you interview rob soon 🙏
@@pip7967 Yeah some people go hard on this movie quite a bit aye
I agree but I also love every film he's ever made lol.
3 From Hell is my absolute favorite of his!
Hot take: I like Rob Zombie's Halloween II. Pretty controversial stuff,right!?
Pretty controversial, but based all the same.
I 100% agree with you.
@@Blotzwave hellz yeah! I guess it was too far outside of the standard "cookie-cutter" slasher formula. Which,ironically,is the very formula that we saw fully developed for the first time in the 1978 original.
I would point to this film as an example of trying something a little different without completely meandering off course in an infuriating way,or being just straight out of left field. Which kind of makes it the "anti-Halloween Ends" installment of the franchise in my opinion.
I could see why, do you like it better than the other ones?
@@Kenny-ep2nf it's not my favorite Halloween film,but it ranks pretty high. Of all the sequels,I actually think that the 2018 film is my favorite because of how well it sustained tension. But since I mentioned that,I should also mention that I HATED Halloween Ends. Which brings me back to Rob Zombie's Halloween II,because I thought that this film veered off the beaten path in a much better and natural feeling way than Ends did.
I dont want to argue or fight i just have a general question if rob didnt make his movies wouldnt blumhouse still have brought it back in 2018 especially if it had been that much longer but you are probably absolutely right if rob zombies movie hadnt made that Much money idk if blumhouse would have wasted the time on it and your absolutely right about the pop culture i was a junior when Halloween 2018 came out and the whole school and teachers were talking about it even people that i thought never watched horror were talking about it and one more thing its truely sad that h2018 didnt bring Freddy and jason back but i dont think its because of not wanting to but I'm afraid there gonna come back after no one cares and not make much money and go back in sleep mode for years
I don’t think Blumhouse would’ve had much interest if it hadn’t been revived, personally. I agree that Rob was in the right place at the right time, but, he’s still the one who did it
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn idk either I think Blumhouse would have maybe not went all out like they did on it and in a way they both revived slashers and Halloween
The Rob Zombie movies may not have been a big hit but they sure did revive the Halloween franchise
I really think that Rob zombie should make a nother hollween movie part 3
After all the time that's gone by I doubt it man
Why was Rob Zombie the first person in 30 years to be able to get the mask correct?
This new trilogy did the same by influencing all these "legacy" sequels...
TCM
Scream
Insidious
Hellraiser
Jeepers Creepers.
Halloween '18 may not be directly responsible for some it surely did jumpstart this remaquel era.
Also i loved part 2 because it felt like a finger to the Hollywood system.
Oh it was, and intentionally so
I have a love hate relationship with these two movies but they are still definitely my most rewatched besides the original. There is something about them. They give me a feeling I like revisiting.
It takes me back to being in the theater and experiencing them, I totally get that
ive been hearing rumers about another halloween . possibly another reboot again . i think they idea would be really cool if they did another halloween having it take place after halloween 4 ignoring halloween 5 bring back danielle harris for the reboot i think that would be a cool idea . i been allso hearing rumers about possibly another friday the 13th and a nightmare on elm street coming out
Wrong that current batch of remakes was kicked off by TCM 2003 and Platinum Dunes. Zombie's films were a result not the catalyst
halloween resurrection can easily not exist to me. it ended with halloween h20 or in halloween ends to me. But aways i guess that by looking at it in this way its like the dark knight trilogy. breathed new life into the world of batman. similar effect. movies because they are fictional can stir up many emotions. new life must be one of them. this clip does make that point.
Yes preach Nick! Us RZ Halloween fans have to stick together 😜 Cannot believe people still hate on these movies to be fair, especially RZH2.
None of it surprises me at this point, that’s for sure, but when people say he ruined Halloween, it’s just factually wrong
I remember that video about how Rob Zombie destroyed the Halloween franchise by the way, that’s old school af. Great points and facts nonetheless!
I don't and I fail to understand to see how people can think Rob Zombie had ruined the Halloween franchise when Resurrection had already did that with Busta Rhymes karate kicking Micheal out the fucking window and also electrocuting him in the balls leaving him to burn.
Oh yeah, Resurrection tried it’s absolute best to kill this thing for good
Zombies Halloweens are classics and better than the blumhouse trilogy.
I will admit when i first seen H2 i was taken a back and didnt like it but i kept rewatching the directors cut over over thru the years on dvd and ended up loving it
Really? Most people said they hate part 2
The main issue with Zombies Halloween was, he took away the idea of nature vs nurture. Michael was raised in a semi normal household in the original and his nature took over to murder but with Rob, it was hillbilly heaven. Don’t even get me on his wife and the freaking rape scene. Zombie might’ve breather life into the franchise but at the same time he ruined the core of the original story. No longer was Michael a child and a “how could he do this” it become more of “well of course he did it, look at his upbringing”.
Plus there was no Steven Seagal.
To be fair, there's more to Michael than just why "how could he do this."
There's also the supernatural aspect.
This aspect of him includes such things as to how Michael is seemingly indestructible, able to keep coming back no matter what, and seems to be field by some supernatural evil force.
Zombie never explained this supernatural in his films.
That aspect was always more mysterious to me than why he did it to begin with, so for that reason, I cannot honestly say I think Rob ruined Michael.
He kinda explained the why, but not the how.
@@Blotzwave not really the supernatural since that came later and even Zombie didn’t explain why when Laurie shot him point blank in the head he’s walking around without a wound or missing part of his skull.
Again, having Michael Myers is better than not having Michael Myers but at the same time, Zombie just did what Zombie does, but in the Halloweenverse.
H2 had some great concepts such as PTSD and the fame from it all of Loomis because we see all these social media “celebs” and they’re the same self centered, ego driven spectacles like he was.
@@BryanMc977 Well, even in the first film, Michael grew a massive 7ft tall and had insane levels of strength despite just sitting in smith's grove for years and years.
He also brushes off getting shot multiple times.
And to be fair, we never see Laurie shoot him in the head.
Her arms are waving around, and the gun goes off, but we never see it explicitly hit Michael.
She tells herself and everyone else she must've got him, when in reality, the bullet must've just missed him due to her unsteady frantic aiming.
@@Blotzwave maybe, but when she shoots blood hits her face which implies direct hit. Idk man, just rubs me the wrong way now.
I'll go even further & say Zombie's Halloween movies obviously significantly influened the 2018-2022 trilogy & would those movies have even been made without his movies? Probably not, food for though anyway.
Honestly i fucking LOVE these Halloween movies rob zombie made :) fuck the haters! 1/10 in my personal opinion
So I definitely quite enjoy his first remake, but the second one just bothers me on an emotional level. The way Lori is portrayed is kinda rough, I know it’s more “realistic” that she’s like that after experiencing that level trauma but idk something about her seemed over the top mean spirited. Michael shouldn’t talk, even if it’s one word, Michael should not EVER speak. And Dr. Loomis is honestly kinda unrecognizable. Idk why he decided to make him a media shill instead of wanting to put Michael down cuz it’s the right thing to do. Also he killed Danielle Harris and as a fan of Halloween 4 I can’t abide by that. Also, not a fan of making Michael more humanized, I kinda prefer him to be more a mysterious killing machine with no real motive other than he’s evil. But that’s my personal preference when it comes to the big man. I do enjoy the points you made though, I now have a new channel to watch.
I Love both of ROB ZOMBIE'S HALLOWEEN Films but i really Love his HALLOWEEN 2 even more because it's deals with PTSD & it's absolutely Balls To The Wall Bat-Shit Crazy 😀🤘😀🤘
H2 is an all timer movie for me! My second favorite after the original!
H2 is my second Favorite after H4:THE RETURN OF MICHAEL MYERS
No one should trash anyone for their opinion. But welcome to the internet . The other day on a FB Halloween site I actually made the comment that Rob Zombie's Halloween reignited interest in the franchise even though I don't like the movie and I think it was a bad movie that divided a lot of fans . However because it was something new and totally different with Rob Zombie, everyone could not wait until that first weekend to see what this was going to be . Therefore it reignited interest in Jason Blum and the David Gordon green trilogy. Because Rob Zombie put it out there and made it profitable again and it is always about money and money only . Without Rob Zombie's attempt at rebooting or remaking whatever you want to call it there would not have been a brand new Halloween movie in 2018 that would do a quarter of a billion dollars at the box office . And Rob Zombie also got people talking again even though it was against each other because sometimes division is good when it comes to popularity and getting more people into whatever it is. Just look at politics these days 10 years ago nobody cared now everyone is a political expert if you divide the fan base which is very die hard the next movie is going to profit off of that and if the promo is good it's going to do really good.
I also remember that video how Rob Zombie destroyed Halloween franchise. But I never thought of it that way I thought someone else is going to pick this thing up and make a movie that is worthy of 80% on Rotten Tomatoes. That's what happened. Now that 80% that Halloween 2018 received that's not by Die Hard fans. It is done by critics critics but it also did very well on the viewer part of Rotten Tomatoes I didn't think they would do the unthinkable again and erase everything after the original because of the confusion. But they did a good job with the promo because on most opening weekends you had the choice to watch the original Halloween and Halloween 2018 back-to-back in the theaters that way it would come at the viewer as one movie I think it worked extremely well and maybe even better than part 2 1981 but I do have to agree 110% Rob Zombie reignited the overall interest from the Casual horror fan. But you have to know Logistics in economics to understand how Rob Zombie reignited the franchise and to do that he did not have to make a great film
Agreed with the Resurrection comment. Imagine if that was the last Halloween film? It would probably have the same feeling as JAWS IV the revenge being the last. What a terrible way to go!
As for Zombie, I say he won. His movies were better than Green’s. He wasn’t handed Jamie Lee on a silver platter either. Speaking of whom, Scout Taylor Compton will always be my Laurie Strode.
Speaking of the Savior: Can Justin Fields save the Steelers’ Franchise?! LOL!
Nobody can save us lol. We’re adrift at sea
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn Noooooo
Yeah they were
I enjoyed both of his films. He made Myers scary again too. Imo.
It wasn't the worst Halloween franchise but the second movie was heaps weaker than the first
Without Rob Zombie, we could've gotten the masterpiece that would've been Halloween: Revelations.
For real tho, He absolutely saved the franchise from going to direct to video mediocrity. We would've never gotten a theatrical Halloween again. Thats the absolute TRUTH.
I really think so too. And for that, he deserves respect from the fans. Though, he’ll never get it.
Give me Halloween Revelations!
Some of my favorites are Remakes, just have to make them good and there shouldnt be a problem
There’s nothing inherently wrong with remakes. Many have surpassed their predecessors. I absolutely agree
Great points.
This was definitely on its way to direct to film.
Oh it absolutely was. It was even discussed
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn I feel like halloween was blessed in some sort of way. After H6, there was risk of it going straight to video. But H20 came along (had it not been for SCREAM) and really reintroduced audiences to Michael Myers. Then after H20 came a lackluster ( but guilty pleasure of mine) sequel.
RZ Brought it back to the serious tone we had been missing since H5 imo.
But since then, Michael Myers is the main Google search of the "boogeyman".
@@mikemullen472 as he should be!
@@mikemullen472 Real good way of putting it
I disagree that Rob saved the Halloween franchise. I think he almost killed it, due to alot of fan of the original 1978 film thought his take was garbage.
I'm not hating on the films but you're giving the films way too much credit. He didn't kick off anything. F13 was stuck in development hell for awhile because paramount and New Line had to come to agreement for it to happen and studios don't like sharing
I wouldn't say it saved he went in a different direction. Some people liked it, and other people didn't like it. I felt he gave Michael too much backstory it was scarier not knowing why he did what he did
He saved it in the sense that he brought it back and made it a successful product again.
@TheLostRiverDriveIn Yeah, it made money at the box office
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn Yeah of course
To me I’ve always thought of it in this lens: the writers of the films prior was writing themselves into corner after corner after corner. The first two Myers films symbolized a duology and Michael was dead, but also that Laurie and Michael were siblings. The third film tried to establish an anthology but it backfired. 4 had to retcon the ending of 2, but the direction of this connection to Michael and Jamie making this family tree line. And then 5 inserted crap that 6 felt compelled to answer, and the writing was on the wall. If any movie saved the Halloween franchise I’d argue it was Halloween: H20. The Halloween franchise was sentenced to straight to video before Jamie Lee Curtis came back for a single film, so she thought. The ending of the movie killed Michael yet again, but now Resurrection comes back and retcons it again - but Halloween stayed in the theaters at least. By the time Zombies movies came out - it was refreshing to see a new take because it wasn’t retconning or moving from previous corners writers wrote themselves into. It was meant to be a standalone but studio wanted a second so we got it. And we almost got Halloween 3D if circumstances were adjusted by a mere three days.
I’m on the fence with this idea, because I think Halloween 2007 helped bring slashers back in the late 2000’s but did it save the Halloween franchise? That’s a tough call. Without Halloween - you can argue slasher remake craze wouldn’t have happened when it did. But I don’t think it wouldn’t have happened without it - the question is who was gonna do it first and when it would happen. I’d actually argue it did the opposite in terms of what the studio was hoping to do - but the studio was going to milk it if they didn’t run out of money with or without Rob Zombie anyways. But what I’m getting at is that both movies were critically slammed, and while the first one made a ton of money, the second one didn’t off reputation. So technically zombies films both brought back Halloween and saved it from Dimension Extreme damnation (the straight to video line of the time), but it also killed momentum of the franchise at the same time.
To me, the Zombie movies were a fluke. It happened exactly at the right place, right time. It helped bring back slashers post post-scream era, and ushered in the remake era. But in terms of what it did to the Halloween franchise - I’d argue it brought upon a whole generation of fans to the IP sure, but didn’t matter much in the grand scheme of things. The end result ended up being what the H20 timeline did before DGG reset it again in 2018.
Just my take - but awesome video Nick!
I agree that it would’ve eventually been remade regardless, but, what if it were to lesser results? We’ve seen some remakes absolutely tank because of negative word of mouth, and their proposed “reboot” is dead before it even began.
I think it was a bit of both, right place right time, and Rob revitalizing the property in a way that resonated with modern audiences
As much people may not like what I’m about to say but he did save it because of not the “Halloween” franchise would be just like the Hellraiser and Children Of The Corn straight to DVD releases. Halloween (2007) was a big hit especially at that time. He made Michael Myers scary again Tyler Mane did a good job playing The Shape and the same goes for Scout Taylor Compton as Laurie Strode. Rob Zombie brought Danielle Harris back to the franchise and I’m glad he did. Although I found it odd that both RZH1, RZH2 were released in August instead of October (especially RZH2) I still think they would’ve done Halloween (2018) level box office numbers and successful before Halloween (2018) was even a thing) I low key wish we got the unmade sequel to Rob Zombie’s Halloween II (2009) known as Halloween 3 written by Stefan Hutchinson.
He absolutely injected it with life again. I’m not trying to make anybody like the movie, but, you’ve got to give the guy credit for bringing Halloween out of the depths of hell
Aside from Loomis turning into a complete clout-hungry douche nozzle in the second film, I like Zombie's version of 'Halloween'. That is all..
You are welcome here lol
In defense of Loomis acting that way, you have to understand where the character was at.
He had spent a whole 15 years of his life trying to aid a murderous mental patient with no success, the patient actually got worse in all honesty.
Then, he escaped, and nearly killed him, Loomis came super close to death.
Remember that everyone thought Michael was dead, so Loomis, having barely survived Michael, now thinking that the 15 year long burden on his life was finally gone, had a new lease on life. The threat was gone, and now he can enjoy the fame and riches he gains from sharing about the deadly burden from his life that he's been able to move on from.
Of course, this makes him snobby, but as we see twords the end of the film, when Loomis realizes Michael is alive and is threatening Laurie all because of him, Loomis realizes the error of ways, and goes back to his old self, reading to put his life on the line to stop Michael and save Laurie.
Hahahaha I still remember Loomis being weird there
Typical online fanboy
The Zombie's Halloween are better than some of the other sequels. It was different prospective on the story
Eh id say 2018 saved it
I like rob zombies first film but it unironically kinda ruined the name a little bit but then again must sequels already have done that
2018 doesn’t happen, in my opinion, without the remake. I doubt Blum would’ve wanted a franchise that was dormant for almost 20 years and left off with Resurrection
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn that's fair tho I wasn't a fan around the time the remakes came out but I always thought they bombed
@@allsparkstudios1299 Yeah same, Rob Zombies first film was just fine, not the second one though
While some may find fault with Rob Zombie's interpretation of the Halloween franchise, it is undeniable that he brought a fresh and gritty perspective that revitalized Michael Myers. The white trash scenes at the beginning of the movie could have been handled better or skipped altogether, but both the 2007 film and its sequel are solid entries in the series. Therefore, yes, Rob Zombie did indeed save the franchise.
And as someone who likes his movies, I absolutely agree. The first act of Halloween 2007 makes me cringe at times, it really does. But there’s a lot to like in both films. Especially H2
Yeah more or less
Sorry, but you are absolutely incorrect. JLC coming back in H20 100% saved the franchise. H7 was doomed, heading for a straight to video release. The franchise may have never recovered. Rob Zombie actually damaged it with his God awful, nearly universally hated 2nd film.
No, I’m actually spot on. I mentioned how H20 revived the series. And then Resurrection killed it again. Both can be true, and are
@TheLostRiverDriveIn Resurrection is absolutely horrible, but it didn't kill the franchise anymore than H5 or H6 did. It actually made a lot more money than either of those. You are just looking for ways to give Zombie extra credit he doesn't deserve.
@TheLostRiverDriveIn I'm curious, why do you make it a point to give Rob Zombie credit for saving the franchise, but not, say, Dwight H. Little for successfully bringing the series back after H3 buried it? Or Steve Miner after H5 and H6 were back to back bombs? Or even DGG after Rob Zombie shit the bed with H2? The series has been in trouble many times before. And many other directors besides Zombie were able to revive it. You just happen to like those movies and want to make them seem important. They really aren't though. Without them, H18 likely would have still happened.
I think you have the right to like the movie because we all have different taste, but to say RZ saved the Halloween franchise? That’s a major cap. He literally made Micheal a bum hillbilly from a trailer trash family and Laurie a narcissistic brat. RZH1 already had very mixed reviews while its follow up sequel was poorly received. Are you drunk or something..?
Did you watch, or just read the title? I’m legitimately curious.
I am not arguing that he “saved it” by making a good movie. I’m saying he saved the franchise from direct to DVD hell and made it a popular product again
@@TheLostRiverDriveInMaybe not have a click bait title and no he didn’t save it to direct to DVD. He was sending it there if he continued after RZH2 😂
@@onedudethelegend It’s not clickbait. It is quite literally the entire point of the video. You’d know that, if you had actually watched.
I am just a casual Halloween fan. I’ve seen them all and I dislike most of them. I like the original, part II, Part III is my favorite. I really like the RZ version of Michael Myers the best, despite just thinking the movies are just okay.
You like the 3 beat films in the series 👍
My fav was the Carpenter trilogy
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lol zombies Halloween was trash. Definitely did nothing to save the franchise.
After Halloween resurrection the franchise was dead in the water I am not the biggest fan of Rob zombie’s Halloween movies I do respect he had the guts to something different and made his own I didn’t like Myers look in Halloween 2 he looked like a Hillbilly unmasked I thought Brad Dourif acted his ass off as sheriff bracket !! Scout Taylor as Laurie Strode did a phenomenal job !! it did get people talking!!
Resurrection would’ve led to this series being a joke for years to come, had Rob not made his movie!
@@TheLostRiverDriveIn for that I appreciate Rob doing his Halloween movies without Rob Zombie’s two Halloween movies franchise might have went straight to DVD resurrection was 💩
i think robs two movies are decent movies and worthy of there place in the franchise .
hist first movie i like the change up of micheals back story .
but the dialogue is dosghit robs greatest weakness his script writing .
and its a mess tone wise first half is robs movie second half is halloween 78 with rob zombie elements .
rob admits he wanted to do two movies with the first young micheal which what should have been done .
in his remake the smiths grove segment is rushed and has no time to breath .
its over stuffed and disjointed ,
still a 3 star movie
halloween 2 is his movie his baby and it is awesome .
i love how its lauries story and her descent into madness and micheal is a side character if you think about it .
i like the direction they go with loomis .
its it perfect no the dialgoue is still weak in spots .
but its the third best pfthe franchise after 78 and halloween 4 .
but you know horror fans never want nothing new so its get shit on .
we are a minority but us halloween 2 fans exist and we are proud to love this movie
You’ll go no disagreement from me on either of your points, Sean. You nailed it
I wish you didn't need to feel the need to preface things with "I'm not trying to convince you". I think I get why you do it (I recall you did it when we disagreed about Chucky and the TV series), but the fact people get so anal about you having a diffent opinion is weird and off-putting. Like it's not the end of the world folks if Nick thinks a movie you like is shit and vice versa.
You’re not wrong about it not being the end of the world, but I wanted to preface with this video specifically because I didn’t want people thinking my point was to sing the praises of his films
No, I get you. Was just venting about how some people get too upset over movie discussions. But like I said I get you. Zombie saved the franchise from becoming DTV.@@TheLostRiverDriveIn
Look at Nicholas, defending trash movies as usual. How are you still alive and with a fanbase? Nothing wrong with taking the original and putting a spin on it, but to say what Rob Zombie did with his take being justified is just absolutely ridiculous. His style did not fit Halloween and he had too much cursing, sexual stuff, gore, everything that the original was NOT he basically did. That's like making a Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake removing all the stuff that made that movie what it is and you basically have the original Halloween in contrast: basically no gore or grossness, simple, and very little action. Furthermore, the remake only did well because it was part of that ridiculous trend at the time where everything was getting remade and it was just a popular thing that was of course going to make money. All of them did whether they were good or bad. Furthermore it was a trend that began ironically enough with the TCM remake from 2003 and the success that had leading to endless horror remakes such as The Hitcher, Black Christmas, Amityville, The Hills Have Eyes, etc. that thankfully ended with that disaster known as the A Nightmare on Elm Street remake by 2010. Sorry Nicholas, but RZH did not start a trend here. It may have directly led to remakes such as F13 and Nightmare since it had Michael who is tied heavily to Jason and Freddy as a horror sibling, but the trend was already in gear from the success of the TCM remake. I doubt My Bloody Valentine is the result of RZH, more-so just the remake craze in general. You're giving this movie too much credit here. I'm also sick of all the lies about how Resurrection killed the franchise. Not one bit. They still could have made a sequel, and we likely would have gotten one had Moustapha Akkad still been alive because he was not going to settle for some remake. Rob chose to do one because of the trend and so he didn't have to make a movie that was in line with the other ones and thus can make it his way in his style entirely. If he did do a sequel I can imagine he'd have to tone down some things and follow an existing continuity with an established lore already limiting him. But it just goes to show, Rob was wrong for the job and Dimension and Malek Akkad are dumb for allowing this to even happen which led nowhere because it spawned one sequel and that series was quickly put to rest afterwards. What a waste! Michael was too "worn out" to be involved in Freddy Vs. Jason 2? That makes no sense given how much relevant he was by the 2000s given the success of H2O and then Resurrection following it versus Freddy and Jason having only the crossover to break back bread with their popularity. Before the crossover, Freddy's last movie was in 1994 with New Nightmare and Jason X didn't really crack Jason back into the spotlight that much and even with Resurrection not doing THAT well financially or critically, the H2O wave was still there and thus Michael was the top icon here by the mid-2000s. F13 and Nightmare also had longer hiatuses between movies if anything those franchises were tired. But Michael wouldn't have been a good fit to fight with them anyway since he's just a guy with a knife and would lose instantly in a three-way fight. Also, Jamie Lee Curtis can't talk down on Resurrection when her lack of involvement is why the movie turned out the way it did. Maybe she should have taken on a bigger role and the movie would have been different. It was also HER idea to do have Laurie institutionalized and for them to do that ridiculous paramedic switcheroo to bring Michael back where she "killed the wrong person". Yeah, that was all her and those stupid writers just rolled with it. She's partially to blame for that movie's flaws and has no room to really talk down on how it turned out when her being in it more and not giving off crazy resurrection suggestions would have done wonders for the movie.