Why Do Some Game Studios Ignore Their Own Fans?!

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  • @nomercy8989
    @nomercy8989 Месяц назад +134

    It's because these studios are no longer staffed by the people that made the games people are fans of

    • @embalancer6146
      @embalancer6146 Месяц назад

      They are its the management and money men that are the problem. You think the developers eat week long crunches for below average pay for the fun of it?

    • @laurentguyot3362
      @laurentguyot3362 Месяц назад +10

      those studios are not staffed with video game fans, its just another job for them, 20-30 years ago video game developpers were 99% video game nerds. With the broadening of the video game industry it was inevitable that the general quality will goes down.

    • @SimuLord
      @SimuLord Месяц назад +4

      People who are passionate about games are the only people wide-eyed and/or dumb enough to take the gods-awful jobs that the video game industry offers (or, in the case of someone like ConcernedApe, to put himself through hell on his own personal time in order to make Stardew Valley rather than, I dunno, taking up hiking in the beautiful Pacific Northwest where he's from.)
      Anyone else with a STEM degree who wants to work in tech won't touch games with an Olympic vaulting pole.

    • @raskolnikov6443
      @raskolnikov6443 Месяц назад +3

      ⁠​⁠@@embalancer6146Yes I do. The devs are the main issue. Embracer gives their studios creative freedom and what did the volition studios devs decide? Making a woke saints row. Same story with many other devs and studios. Its not just the management. Often it’s both and sometimes it’s the management or the devs.

    • @B4DF0RCE
      @B4DF0RCE Месяц назад

      @@embalancer6146 no they are NOT stop spreading such BS
      there are MULITPLE STUDIOS were the OG staff IS LONG gone and replaced while the Pupblisher keep the Name because it a perceived label of Quality in the comunity. U can EASILY find Articles about it with some time investment.
      EA did it with Critetion,Maxon, Ghost,BlackBox
      Activision did it with Blizzard
      Microsoft did it with RARE
      WanerBros did it with Rocksteady
      Matter of fact is The ENTIRE OG rocksteady staff LEFT because of the Horrible Working conditions during the time on "Suicide Squad kill the justice league" acording to the Studios ex creator/director/founder that left the studio last shortly before relase FOLLOWED by opening A NEW Studio where u can find now nerly the ENTIRE OG Rockestady staff at, the ones missing are in retirement. Most of the OG staff btw was long gone years BEFORE the game even was teased.
      The Entire OG Rare Staff u can currently find at RETROSTUDIOS working for Nintendo still giving us High Quality Donkey Kong
      and Metroit games. they all Dipped shortly after Microsoft purchased Rare in 2002, until then ......Rare did game for Nintndo guess witch IP tittles they are known for.
      Blizzard is bleeding quality staff for a decade now. Yet the name still stand strong despite droping quality, horrible microtransactions implmentations,false pormisses,disrispecting the comunity, emty pandering. since 2021 Blizzard has not a single Original staff member in his row. The day Jeff Kaplan of the Overwatch Team left, was the day activisons takeover of blizzard was completed.

  • @DarkAdonisVyers
    @DarkAdonisVyers Месяц назад +149

    Shareholder money. That's why.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +12

      @@DarkAdonisVyers spot on!

    • @corruptparagon
      @corruptparagon Месяц назад +13

      Correct; though a little more to the heart of it, DEI money.

    • @csais1
      @csais1 Месяц назад +7

      like if they wanted shareholder money .. i get micro transactions , or dlc or cut content sold seperatly . but this game is out right stupidity.

    • @ZackJJones
      @ZackJJones Месяц назад +2

      @@csais1 checkout stakeholder capitalism and ESG. Greg Owen touches on it in a convincing manner for me.

    • @BenFoster-cx4em
      @BenFoster-cx4em Месяц назад

      yeah, blackrock anti white racists.

  • @little.tricks
    @little.tricks Месяц назад +17

    As someone replaying the series from Origins it is painfully obvious this new Dev team did not play the original 3 games.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      And that’s what I mean! It’s clearly not made for people who played the first few games. It’s for a new crowd. That’s fine, but it hurts those dedicated fans. Dedicated fan base will allow you to grow and be successful long term, whereas a game trying to just appeal to everyone usually doesn’t go very far

    • @MjollTheLioness-o4y
      @MjollTheLioness-o4y Месяц назад +2

      True. There's even an interview from a month before the game released where the game director didn't even know who Zevran was.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      @ wow…it’s so sad to see these people continuously getting these roles too

  • @eestiny9734
    @eestiny9734 Месяц назад +31

    What is sad, is that DA should have been a game to inspire others. Not the opposite, It was made by people whom had no idea about the gem they had in their hands. Knowing that a portion of the dev never to this day played any DA game is insane, but revealing!

    • @vanyadolly
      @vanyadolly Месяц назад +3

      It's the first conclusion I came to when I watched the game. Either they didn't play it or they didn't care, and neither is good. The primary goals seems to have been to wipe out the previous three games so they can start over with their own story.

  • @ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc
    @ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc Месяц назад +35

    Well Veilguard was based entirely on the internal politics of Bioware and EA.Had little to nothing to do with making money.They expected the game to be successful but that was not their primary motivation obviously.
    Saints Row would be an obvious game that declined due to internal factors at the studio where the last game was made. They had no regard for the previous games and made something they thought they would enjoy and as we know the fans did not like it.
    When a company has a devoted fan base catering to them imo should come first meeting their expectations.Then you can bring in other things that might attract new players. But if you disregard your core fanbase its very unlikely you will be successful. As Veilguard is proving.

    • @vanyadolly
      @vanyadolly Месяц назад +1

      It's a shame (and so dumb) because the general DA fan is already going to be open-minded. People wouldn't have cared about there being a trans character if they were as well-written as characters have been in the past. All we ask for is *good writing* and they gave us something so bad it comes off as a parody.

    • @drewwendell
      @drewwendell Месяц назад +2

      I hugely disagree with the implication that politics is what did it. Yes, the politics are there, but they've always been there - they've just had nuance. Veilguard is largely the product of not trusting or respecting your audience entirely. Talking down to the player about gender is just a symptom, the entire game talks down to the player about everything, from the plot, to mission objectives, to level design, to the choices you're allowed to make. Every aspect of the game is designed to herd the player, simplifying all the choices and distilling the outcomes down to things the studio finds acceptable. This isn't about being "woke" because it's socially liberal, this is about being "woke" because it's heavy-handed and obnoxious... but literally everything about this game is heavy-handed and obnoxious. My issue, and I think the issue at the root of the complaints, is that my character is forced to have HR appropriate reactions to _everything_. Player agency is secondary to fulfilling the story's artistic vision (such as it is). This isn't about a corporation demanding Bioware "put a chick in it, make her lame and gay" (despite the fact they kinda did just that). This is about a multi-million dollar corporation demanding control over the entire experience - ensuring its sanitized, homogenized, and artificially flavored for your consumption. It's lazy workmanship meant to appeal to "mass audiences," not, intentionally, woke ideology for the "modern audience."

  • @jonanderetxebarria9944
    @jonanderetxebarria9944 Месяц назад +55

    Fromsoft has a very unique approach to gaming. They said that when making a new game, they never expect the next installment to be as big or bigger than the previous one. They made Elden Ring, sold 12 million and later released Armored Core 6, successful but not nearly as much as the previous one.
    In contrast, most develoopers always try to go higher, but you can't keep up if you try to mantain your core audience and respect your legacy, in the end the only way to make more money is going for the mainstream. It's a good short term strategy, but in the long term it has shown to be a disaster.
    Starfield, Veilguard, Diablo 4, etc. This games are now hated by their original fans, and not doing as good as the developers expected.
    In the end, investors demand money, that's the main problem.

    • @Roccondil
      @Roccondil Месяц назад +4

      Fromsoft can do that, though, because they aren't publicly traded. In and of themselves, shareholders are not a bad thing, they may be essential to how a company can get funding and survive. The issue is, though, shareholders are in it only to see number go up. And number go up by making profit go up. Profit can never fall below last year's profit margins. So the shareholders squeeze and squeeze whatever they can to get the most out of a company before number start falling down, which they inevitably will because infinite growth is impossible.
      Fromsoft, on the other hand, have onlytheir own money to deal with. So they can be content to just have profits, no matter whether it be more or less than last year's. As long as they are profitable, they can reinvest into themselves and grow and shrink as they need to.

    • @darius8214
      @darius8214 Месяц назад

      Starfield isn't a failure, it runs well and was mid. Mid can be disappointing but not a failure.

    • @kraosdadafusfus8034
      @kraosdadafusfus8034 Месяц назад +5

      you sayin' the game that needed a 4090 to run at playable speeds at release, runs well?

    • @jonanderetxebarria9944
      @jonanderetxebarria9944 Месяц назад +3

      @@Roccondil You just explained why shareholders are the problem. All the fucked up monetization and streamlining of gaming comes from the fact that studios need to increase the revenue constantly.
      That's just unsustainable in the long term, which is what we are seeing now. Studios should look at fromsoft and Larian instead of Activision, Ubisoft or EA. You can make money and earn the respect of your fans, but not if you promise investors increase profits every single year.
      Don't you think the infantilization of Dragon Age is because they needed to catter to younger audiences? the ones who generate the most money in gaming?

    • @jonanderetxebarria9944
      @jonanderetxebarria9944 Месяц назад +3

      @@darius8214 Considering the huge success of Skyrim and Fallout 4, Starfield was underwhelming. Maybe not a flop, but not what Bethesda expected, that's for sure.
      And that's because gamers, and especially the natural fans of studios like BGS, don't tolerate their bullshit anymore.
      Personally, I defended Veilguard when online grifters tried to make it the new battleground for the culture war, but I can't defended anymore when there are such glaring issues with the game.

  • @adamvillegas5040
    @adamvillegas5040 Месяц назад +20

    It’s such a contradiction isn’t it. Publishers and Developers always want to make as much money as possible yet they make decisions that are counterproductive to that goal. They listen to the wrong people and spend millions making a game that appeals to a small audience. Then game flops and instead of Management taking responsibility, they laid off developers and close studio down then blame gamers.

    • @robertagren9360
      @robertagren9360 Месяц назад +2

      When 20 % owns 80% of all wealth.

    • @Walamonga1313
      @Walamonga1313 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@robertagren9360More like 10% owns 90%

  • @Avenus112
    @Avenus112 Месяц назад +51

    They don't make the games for the market. They make it for their own feelings and the private equity firms whose staff share their feelings.
    It's really odd, though. As technology improves programmers and artists get better- but the writers keep getting worse. I can't figure out what it is, maybe there's just a perspective and maturity crisis in the industry. As if the adults left the studios and were replaced by adolescents without maturity, intellect or perspective- only the drice to infest a property and skinsuit it into something that's their own without regard to the nature of the property.

    • @heimdal8
      @heimdal8 Месяц назад +7

      I agree completely. The drop in quality of writing we have seen these last 5 years is staggering. Unbelievable, really. It’s like these current writers lack any semblance of skill, talent, education and experience. They don’t know how to craft and tell an interesting story, they don’t know how to create relatable characters and they can’t write dialogue that sounds even remotely realistic. Despite this, they are given stewardship of multi billion dollar franchises. It just doesn’t make sense. A lot of criticism have been made against the (often unnecessary) interjection of modern day progressive politics into most entertainment but that is actually a minor problem compared to the awful writing. If these people actually knew how to write, they would have been able to tell these stories in a way that made sense and was accepted by the audience. Instead of well written, well researched stories with realistic, relatable characters and good dialogue we get pathetic, childish slop with horrible, unlikable (often condescending and snarky) characters and pathetic dialogue. Often, when people complain about a project being ”woke” what they are actually protesting (wether they are aware of it or not) is horrible writing, I think.

    • @kraosdadafusfus8034
      @kraosdadafusfus8034 Месяц назад +9

      Right on the money, my man. There's a lot of people who aren't really bothered by diversity, when done properly and naturally. Warframe did it right.
      The problem with those writers is that their attempts at diversity are either self-inserts of themselves or horrible stereotypes. Given how twisted some of these people are, those tend to overlap.

    • @2xRainb0w
      @2xRainb0w Месяц назад +5

      Mental capacity stopped at 15, became activists for social change, got jobs from their friends who were already on the development team, insert themselves into every project cause the real world won’t validate them.

    • @Alwaysttango
      @Alwaysttango Месяц назад +5

      The writers don't get worse, they fire them and without severance if I may add. BioWare did this with 50 people in the middle of datv development, veteran writers among them who obviously sued them. It's the companies that don't value nor pay their writers that put out garbage games, shows, etc. At Larian they have great writing team who are valued and they do an amazing job. EA/BioWare is a bad place to work as a writer.

    • @EM-vw7im
      @EM-vw7im Месяц назад

      ​@heimdal8 I'm glad i went back to reading fantasy novels(got caught up games and social media) I can always find good authors, old and new.

  • @blockmasterscott
    @blockmasterscott Месяц назад +15

    It’s not ignoring their fans, they are actually attacking their fans. And they’re open about it too.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      But why? That’s the question

  • @stevenguitink5947
    @stevenguitink5947 Месяц назад +16

    It's always important to note that companies are not your friends. They are large entities comprised of people who more or less in to make money. You might have individual people in companies that you like for their writing or programming but those are individuals. It so often frustrates me when I see comments like "Bioware has fallen." as if these companies were heroes in the gaming industry, as if they're people to be idolized or respected.

  • @xk1390
    @xk1390 Месяц назад +38

    I prefer an unvoiced protagonist when playing a customer character.
    I'm glad you tried to look at the reasons with an objective attitude. Too many simply like to blindly hate.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      Yeah I’m trying to avoid that. It’s not constructive in my opinion. I think you look at games like cyberpunk, Hogwarts legacy and now dragon age veilgaurd they have all tried to have a voiced protagonist. But some of my favourite games don’t have that and I think I prefer that personally. Idk. It’s 50:50 actually now I think about it. What’s your favourite rpg game of all time?

    • @xk1390
      @xk1390 Месяц назад +1

      @@AVVGaming1 My all time RPG favorite is Kotor II (I played it before Kotor I, who knows otherwise). That game was just so incredibly immersive to me, and I also used to love Star Wars.
      Sci-fi just speaks to me a lot more than fantasy. Though fantasy seems to be more popular, I'm not sure why.

    • @Top-Lip
      @Top-Lip Месяц назад +1

      I like non-voiced characters, but I prefer other characters to also be silent when the protagonist has no dialogue because it lets the protagonist shine more without being overshadowed.
      When other characters speak, it creates an uncanny valley effect and a discrepancy where other characters have more emotional depth, and so the silent protagonists feels less important than NPCs.
      In Fallout this is mostly fine because you're just a lone wanderer, or a courier and not really a true protagonist and in Oblivion, it worked well because you're just the hero of Kvatch and what ever name you make for yourself, but the protagonist of the story is always Martin Septim.
      Skyrim is arguably the biggest offender because the Dragonborn is the least important character in the story from the perspective of expression, but treated in the lore as if they have the highest narrative priority. That's why Skyrim's story is a bit flat compared to previous TES games and why Bethesda experimented with a voiced protagonist in Fallout 4.
      Morrowind actually got it spot on by having reading and limited voice acting, there's no disconnect between the player and the rest of the world like there is in the newer games. Although I think Oblivion has better writing, Morrowind is universally considered to have the best role playing of any 3D Bethesda game and that's partly because silent protagonists need silent side characters so you can leave more things to the imagination.

    • @MartinOReilly-mb4um
      @MartinOReilly-mb4um Месяц назад +3

      No it's not blind hate or even hate. That's nonsense thinking. If that's where you and the video poster thinks, then I'm done here as you clearly do not want to see the reality. I'm also sick of people who call everything `Hate`. This is why most people voted massively against this. We are sick of extreme accusations for simply saying the truth.

    • @little.tricks
      @little.tricks Месяц назад +3

      Valid criticism is not blind hate.

  • @wolvo5441
    @wolvo5441 Месяц назад +18

    Don’t worry, they are set to continue ruining Mass Effect franchise next so there’s that to look forward to not buying.

    • @KB8Killa
      @KB8Killa Месяц назад +2

      Andromeda ruined it

    • @СергейНиколаеску
      @СергейНиколаеску Месяц назад +1

      ​@@KB8Killa As we see with Veilguard there is always where to fall. Andromeda compared to this is pretty decent

    • @saschaberger3212
      @saschaberger3212 Месяц назад +1

      No don't worry. Will be "a return to form" again for sure

    • @centimanj8916
      @centimanj8916 Месяц назад +2

      @@KB8Killa While Andromeda wasnt good, at least it was set in a completely isolatet setting that had no impact on the "Main" Mass Effect universe. So, at least theoretically, its rather easy to move past that one game beeing shite. That beeing sayed, its hard to have trust in bioware, especially after Veilguard.

  • @CleetusBuckwalter
    @CleetusBuckwalter Месяц назад +4

    Proliferating the message is more important than the success of the medium by which they are spreading it. It's astounding. You'd think they'd want to make a game that is amazing and then sprinkle their ideologies into it and slowly desensitize their audience to it over the course of several games but the virus seems to strip them of foresight entirely. It is so central to their existence that they build a game around ways to spread the message as opposed to sprinkling the message in. The game fails, no one buys it, eventually the studio is closed or folded into another. What's sinister is that the whackos at Biowarr will be peppered into other developers and they'll think "We just didn't do it right". They'll then corrupt another IP and it'll close. Eventually, all the studios who do this shit will be gone and we can go back to the good ol' days...

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      @@CleetusBuckwalter I wanted to cover this in a video and will do one day soon. What do they do, is when they want to push their ideology they always tend to put the product quality as second priority. Same in films and other media. Whenever a media tries to push something the product takes a hit and quality drops. It’s a shame really but it appears they make that the priority. If the games good or not who cares? What’s more important is sending a message and making our mark on society and being better people than everyone else! It’s like no, your job is literally to make video games! lol they should focus on their game creation and leave the politics for twitter or rallies lol

  • @PseronWyrd
    @PseronWyrd Месяц назад +15

    "Todd Howard, the CEO at Bethesda, said in an interview that he hadn't played Elder Scrolls Online as it wasn't his type of game." Possibly because he had nothing to do with the development of Elder Scrolls Online. Zenimax Online Studios developed Elder Scrolls Online, not Bethesda Game Studios. You are confusing Bethesda Softworks, publisher, with Bethesda Game Studios, developer. They are different companies.

    • @BlueBD
      @BlueBD Месяц назад

      Both are now owned by Microsoft. You confusing Zenimax with BSW
      Zenimax is the holder of ESO
      They sold BSW to Microsoft which holds everything from Arkane to BGS but does not include ESO

  • @adampender3685
    @adampender3685 Месяц назад +5

    Saints Row proves even action games aren't safe from some of this.

  • @Mordrek
    @Mordrek Месяц назад +5

    15:14 i'm sorry to break it to you but cdpr is now rotten with activism and is turning in something similar to ubisoft or bioware... the next witcher game is probably gonna be woke garbage sadly.

    • @centimanj8916
      @centimanj8916 Месяц назад

      A game beeing woke doesnt make it bad. Baldurs Gate 3, and every other Dragon Age game released before where all very very liberal.
      Its only a problem if, as in Veilguard, the political activism is the only thing the writers care about.
      If you would take all the woke elements out of Veilguard, it would still be a terrible game.
      And frankly, the more people say "The game is bad because its Woke" the more the Devs can hide behind saying that its just rednecks and Racists that bombed the game, instead of having to face the fact that they did a bad Job.

  • @Nelots-9
    @Nelots-9 Месяц назад +30

    "-some of the best games in RPG history. Games like The Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, Baldur's Gate 3, and Kingdom Come: Deliverance..."
    So I get that Cyberpunk is now a far cry from the horrible bug-riddled launch it had initially, but it's still not *that* good. It feels criminal comparing it to those other games. Just about none of your choices actually matter in it!

    • @EM-vw7im
      @EM-vw7im Месяц назад +1

      Even with that, there are many small decisions that matter and at least you can choose to be a dick or not. Say what you want about cdprojekt they have some of the best writers in the industry thousands of times better than veilguard

    • @ivanbrasla
      @ivanbrasla Месяц назад +3

      At release it was unpolished and bug-ridden, as you said. But it is a bloody good game. It might have not been the best _rpg_ but still decent within the genre

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      @@Nelots-9 I honestly love how cyberpunk is nowadays and it’s a beautiful open world with fantastic writing! It covers dark topics and is a game definitely for adults. Although its decisions were nowhere near the level of Witcher 3, the new dlc phantom liberty had a lot more decisions that had huge impacts! So the signs are good. I’d say out of that list of games it’d come in 4th place out of 4 for me personally. I’m a sucker for the other 3. Fallout new vegas should get in there too!

    • @SimuLord
      @SimuLord Месяц назад

      @@AVVGaming1 New Vegas had one of the best lead writers working in gaming. John Gonzalez should have more name recognition-he was also the guy behind the utterly fantastic writing and world-building in the Horizon games.

  • @air1das
    @air1das Месяц назад +5

    Blue-haired HR

    • @Hynotama
      @Hynotama Месяц назад

      Don’t forget the stereotypical nose rings and the bad decision tattoos.

  • @lisaruhm6681
    @lisaruhm6681 Месяц назад +4

    One weird case is Pokemon, the quality has drastically gone down and continues to go down, but the sales have the exact opposite trajectory.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      That could be something to do with more accessibility and acceptance of that type of thing now. But overall, I think the original game boy games and the most successful selling games of all time! I think they are no 1

    • @lisaruhm6681
      @lisaruhm6681 Месяц назад

      @@AVVGaming1 Yes, but I mean SwSh and SV are at 25.92 and 22.66 million respectively, 10 million higer, than the next game. And due to dlc and higher price they also have a higher revenue, maybe even inflation adjusted.

  • @Walamonga1313
    @Walamonga1313 Месяц назад +3

    Many reasons.
    1-Studios aren't made up of the original crew
    2-They're chasing/force to chase other trends instead of iterate/expand on what made the games good
    3-They're going for/are forced to go for mass appeal by higher ups, which dilutes the formula into generic
    4-They're going for ESG funding by altering the game's content to be forcefully diverse and having very safe topics/dialogue
    5-Trying to appease shareholders, the games are altered in gameplay/style/tone once again going for mass appeal and/or ESG funds
    6-They're trying to cater to the wrong audience expecting fans of the previous games to stick around just because

  • @ayaneayane7215
    @ayaneayane7215 Месяц назад +6

    Blackrock money.

  • @crazykiwi1472
    @crazykiwi1472 Месяц назад +5

    It is the same disease that affects movies. When you get into big budgets, external financing and publicly owned companies it is the money and the associated risk-aversion that talks, not the developers. Designed by committee to appeal to everyone and offend no-one they are (as you said) guaranteed to please no-one.
    Basically it is greed that is their downfall.

    • @SimuLord
      @SimuLord Месяц назад +1

      Mindless prolefeed is far from a novel concept, especially considering the term "prolefeed" was coined in 1948 (and in "Nineteen Eighty-Four") by George Orwell, and the idea of slop for idiots goes back a lot further even than that.

  • @CharlieIsDigital
    @CharlieIsDigital Месяц назад +9

    Great points. It’s sad to see that it’s far more profitable for these companies to pursue live services and lots of micro-transactions.
    I’d say every big franchise has suffered from this.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +2

      @@CharlieIsDigital yes and they don’t seem to want to stop that pursuit either. You look at anthem, concord, this games didn’t do well but they won’t stop. They want in on that genre and they know it’ll net far more money. Whereas the smaller studios or less well known make games for the love of gaming!

    • @comyxcon4gaming860
      @comyxcon4gaming860 Месяц назад

      @@AVVGaming1 In that case, I rather sick to smaller studios or lesser known developers.

  • @tameelah3839
    @tameelah3839 Месяц назад +10

    Failguard wasn't just a let down but a betrayal.

  • @scorcher64
    @scorcher64 Месяц назад +2

    Studios that lost their orignal devs due to chasing microtransactions, forced online play or online connectivity for offline play, or chasing after DEI with no substance, all deviated.

  • @mrbl3azy
    @mrbl3azy Месяц назад +9

    They ignore their fans because they have an agenda.
    Their agenda does not include listening to fans.
    They are NOT your friend.
    Simple as.

  • @constantinepeterson6874
    @constantinepeterson6874 Месяц назад +7

    It rather poetic that you've decided to put Skyrim music on the background. Why not Veilguard music I wonder? =)
    Bethesda has taught me a valuable lesson as a customer: no preorders and and no purchases until I have viewed several reviews from different creators.
    As a fan I learned that I kinda hate to be taken for a ride.
    Modern AAA games feel like buying a new car and having it malfunction on the road in the most dumb and dangerous ways possible.
    And then you call dealership only to hear them say: Yeah, it'll be patched eventually. Just hang in there, buddy.
    And you know what? I'm done with this bs. If developers and publishers treat me (the customer) with utter disrespect... fine. I'll buy your Cyberpunk. As a full package, patched, with all DLC and on a 70% sale. Don't care if it's five years from the release date. I'm in no hurry. I have a vast backlog of great games, that in worst case need a bit of moding to run on modern hardware. And if your company crumbles before you can actually finish the game... well, there's always somebody out there with a capability to learn on others mistakes.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      I can’t get enough of the Skyrim background music. I did the video with some dragon age back ground music but it didn’t sound right, then some fallout 3 and still didn’t click. As soon as I put the Skyrim on, it just felt right! And yes I completely agree with everything you have said. I think it’s the trust factor that’s gone nowadays. Like we struggle to trust these companies will make what they say they will. Like our desires are clearly rarely on their list of things to focus on. I think it’s smart to never pre order and always wait. The only reason I got veilgaurd first day was because my wife bought it me as a surprise.

  • @MjollTheLioness-o4y
    @MjollTheLioness-o4y Месяц назад +2

    Because the people who initially made the series are often no longer at the current-day studios. The people who made DAV don't love the series nor the fans like the creators did. We see it in film as well. No showrunner will ever care about a creative work as much as the author does. All they care about is milking the IP for as much money as possible. We've seen it with the Witcher series and Rings of Power. As GRRM said, they think they know better and that they can improve upon the work. All they end up doing is making it bad because they don't respect the source material, the creator or the fans. I think a lot of it comes from ego and jealousy.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      I think there is also another pattern where they consider themselves heroes. Like they put in messages hoping to change the world. So rather than putting in a good story, or good content, they’re more focused on “the message”. And when their content flops, rather than being open to criticism and learning from it, they get on their high horse and slaw THEIR OWN fans! Saying they are stupid and don’t get it. It’s sad to see but at this point it’s gotten so out of hand that we’re almost no longer shocked. There is no punishment for these bad decisions either. Everyone else loses their jobs but they always get another shot to go and change another beloved series into something that fans don’t enjoy!

  • @caligarner6953
    @caligarner6953 Месяц назад +9

    Good vid mate. Subscribed!

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      Thank you very much for the kind words! It really means a lot!

  • @masster71
    @masster71 Месяц назад +2

    It's because these studios went from only answering to themselves and fans to growing and now answering to executives and shareholders who don't care about how good the game is, just that it makes as much profit as possible

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      Exactly! And they only care about the dollar. There’s a reason so many “remakes” are green lit over new IPs. Same in the film industry, so many super hero films and remakes like Star Wars, Indiana Jones and now gladiator 2. It’s a guaranteed pay check. In fact this games development cycle shows that. It was originally going to be an online game in order to try and get into thst market (every publisher wants to be the next Fortnite) and that is such a shame. Money, in my opinion, kills creativity.

  • @Grobut81
    @Grobut81 Месяц назад +1

    Except it's not 2013 anymore, and we nolonger live in the world of detatched Corpo publishers trying to squeeze every dime out of an IP.
    We live in 2024, the world of ESG scores and Bridge 2.0, where the Corpo's are knowingly and willingly forgoing short term profit for the promis of future gains, due to idealogical capture and fear of reprisals from same.

  • @yakhooves
    @yakhooves Месяц назад +2

    Such a measured, intelligent, and thoughtful analysis! And I agree with your assessment! I am the same way with Resident Evil 2. I absolutely adored the remake, but it isn’t my Claire or my Leon from when I fell in love with Claire in 8th grade. I am delighted that others enjoyed the remakes, and enjoyed the 4 Remake as well. But the nostalgia of my childhood, meeting Claire as a smart, resourceful, yet so compassionate and protective of Sherri and others, as a young college student only a few years older than myself at the time… that can never be matched by anything modern. That doesn’t mean I don’t buy remakes, or don’t enjoy them, I absolutely do! But yeah… I totally understand your point.
    Now… they should still remake Code Veronica… And even though I’m now in my early forties, I still want to spend more time with Claire haha

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      Thank you for such a nice comment! I think we will always value games of our past and we sort of remember them different. Like I give so many passes to games of my childhood. I always try to catch myself from sounding old when talking about old games like telling people “sure gta6 is good but back in my day…” lol I remember I played re2 as a child and I was so scared of it lol the re2 remake is basically a different game. I think a lot of nostalgia brings out a lot of emotions in people when they talk about games. You see it in a lot of game reviews nowadays. But I think it’s important to remain balanced and calm and realistic in the analysis

  • @ericschmit5911
    @ericschmit5911 Месяц назад +1

    The reason game studios have started to ignore their fans is simple. The people who have taken control of the companies have a woke agenda. They are more concerned with DEI than anything else. If a game fails, they will just move on to the next one and do it again. Until there is a massive movement to not buy ANY games made this way, they will keep doing it.

  • @MartinOReilly-mb4um
    @MartinOReilly-mb4um Месяц назад +2

    Your take is a little naive. The Western studios are infiltrated by people with political agenda- BUT they also get government money that promotes this and from places like blackrock, etc. I know Canada (probably other Western countries) is guilty of this with UBIsoft. I know for a fact that Germany does it with some games with actual restrictions for what the game can do for the money it gets. So they can afford to ignore most of what their actual buying gamers want. The Witcher and 2077 Devs are Eastern European publishes who are more like the US Devs who made New Vegas/Mass effect we once had. But if you look, they're being infected also though with recent political events this may slow down.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      Thanks for sharing this! See I have not much knowledge about the political stuff but it’s clear it’s there. The evidence is clear in shows, games and movies all coming from the USA. But the question is why? Why are they doing this? What’s the end goal? Democrats win a vote? It’s gotta be something more…

    • @MartinOReilly-mb4um
      @MartinOReilly-mb4um Месяц назад

      @@AVVGaming1 Oh, I do think it's definitely something more. This will probably sound crazy, but I believe it goes all the way to a spiritual evil to ultimately destroy people. Yes, I'm talking religion.

  • @br.augustinejewell5005
    @br.augustinejewell5005 Месяц назад +1

    My personal opinion is that the factors are:
    1. Games have gotten too big. Evey thing in AAA studios has to be massive. No room for small and medium sized games to experiment with
    2. Related to this is every game has to be a blockbuster or it "fails" even if it made money.
    3. Ideological capture. Investors, management and employees.
    4. Because these games are so big and take so long they really can't adjust to canges after a certain point.
    5. Because of that, plus trend chasing, companies often are a decade behind or more in what is hot. That is why you should not expect any change in gaming for at least five years.
    6. The foolish idea that general audinces only want mindless slop. Or over simplified action games. For example, Final Fantasy lost its identity because it just devolved to a pretentious action game with girly art design. It barely retained the fantasy element in some of the more recent entries.
    7. Ego. These people seem to think everything they produce is high art, and try way to hard to be "deep." See above example.

  • @eleosiluvatar7828
    @eleosiluvatar7828 Месяц назад +2

    It's a takeover. You could ask why some governments ignore their own electorates. Same principle at work. It's an ideological struggle and they don't care. If you say "shareholder money," you are saying huge shareholders like Vanguard and Blackrock. They are drivers of the ideological takeovers for their own reasons.

  • @pagetvido1850
    @pagetvido1850 Месяц назад +1

    What's weird is that after Veilguards flop, you'd expect EA to gut them to protect its beloved bottom line. However, a new Mass Effect Netflix series is announced instead?

  • @TheMysterieRPGguy
    @TheMysterieRPGguy Месяц назад +7

    Once again my comment got removed but lets give it one more try.
    I think you're spot on with this video, the only thing I could add is that maybe some game studios have too much pride to admit that sometimes the fans know better then they do.
    I had more to say but I don't feel like re-typing my whole comment, thank RUclips for removing my comments over and over again.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      @@TheMysterieRPGguy haha I wonder why it deleted them? I have a section in the comments that are marked and put in like a spam box. I have it set to not filter any at all but I’ll go see if they’re in there and if they are I’ll get them up lol

    • @TheMysterieRPGguy
      @TheMysterieRPGguy Месяц назад

      @@AVVGaming1 RUclips has some very strict censor algorithms that can trigger on the weirdest things. I think I know what it triggered on this time, but obviously if I type it again my comment will be removed again so I won't but trust me it is ridiculous it triggered on that.
      The thing is most people won't realize there comment got removed because it looks like it got posted just fine, it's only when you reload the page or re-sort the comments that you see the comment disappear. So most people will post it and move on, I just happened to catch on what was happening some time ago so now I make sure my comment stayed.

    • @TheMysterieRPGguy
      @TheMysterieRPGguy Месяц назад +1

      @@AVVGaming1 Oh my god this would be kinda funny if it wasn't so sad. I just wrote a long comment explain to you how that all works with RUclips but clearly RUclips doesn't want people to know soooo it got removed. Let's just say I did extensive testing for months and I have a pretty good idea how it works but apparently I can't share it.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      @ oh man do you have discord?

    • @TheMysterieRPGguy
      @TheMysterieRPGguy Месяц назад

      @@AVVGaming1 I do yes, but I'm not that comfortable posting my discord name in a public comment section, it's different from my RUclips name.

  • @gumpthegreat1
    @gumpthegreat1 Месяц назад +2

    Because "modern writers" care FAR MORE about making self affirming slop they can insert themselves into for representation than tell an interesting narrative with dynamic characters.

  • @benmcreynolds8581
    @benmcreynolds8581 Месяц назад +5

    I'm really disappointed in the game industry & how they have utterly FAILED at Game Creation. We've lost so many game genres. Bring back 2D, 2.5D, 3D, low poly PS1 style, cell shaded, you name it. Anything to save us from this drought of creativity within video games.
    One day i hope we will see a massive improvement in the way games can be made. Currently the process of game development seems so unintuitive and tedious to the point that it restricts creative & artistic people. Game development is so heavily math & code based that it probably does not motivate or interest a lot of people. Talented people that could be a massive benefits to the game development process but they are currently turned off by the process & the industry is not good at incorporating those people. Hypothetically Even if that person got good at game development, there is still so many aspects of game development that need to be improved. Improving game development methods would really benefit so many aspects of this situation.

    • @Account2-ng6hr
      @Account2-ng6hr Месяц назад +1

      If you want that creativity, there are still many indie games that are not afraid to experiment.

    • @glowinTHX
      @glowinTHX Месяц назад +1

      Those games are still out there, you just need to be on PC and avoid AAA games.

  • @IchWarRAR
    @IchWarRAR Месяц назад +1

    regarding publisher:
    you don't even need them per se, sure if you dumb 1000+ employees and 15 studios from all around the world with 10yrs of dev time, you need a shit ton of money. but i personally would've been fine with a dragon age 2 scope for example. i don't even need raytracing, it's expensive on hardware & dev time. it's one of those "nice to have" things, sure. back on topic, larian & cd red are remarkable examples on how you can finance a game. if you're aiming for the 4% increase every quarter, wich is an unhealthy mindset imo, you will inevitably end up like every aaa studio right now. there is no such thing as infinite growth.

  • @Bombardier15
    @Bombardier15 Месяц назад +2

    I'm not a big fan of the whole "modern audiences" complaint, but one problem is devs misunderstanding what fans want or what will appeal to larger market (e.g. the cringy Saints Row reboot)

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      💯 and what ends up happening is that in trying to please so many people they end up now pleasing anyone. They lose their core fan base and the new ones don’t have that strong a connection with it since it’s a copy of stuff they already seen. It is sad to see really!

    • @Bombardier15
      @Bombardier15 Месяц назад

      ​@@AVVGaming1And also everything is so copy and paste. That's why I have MCU fatigue

  • @igorp.7853
    @igorp.7853 Месяц назад +1

    Interesting points you have =))
    The fail of the Veilguard is ALSO because of the gender ideology that was forced to the game and to the players. And how we can see it by the Veilguard, Concord, Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League and Dustborn, majority of gamers hate it in their games...

  • @creatorsfreedom6734
    @creatorsfreedom6734 Месяц назад +2

    Too much realism is a problem , good game play nice graphics are good enough , recommend annno mutatium

  • @eegoii
    @eegoii Месяц назад +3

    Because this kind of game is not for fans or even gamer in general. This game is for spreading their social/political agenda. It obvious that this game was doom to fail before it launches, but they did it anyway because what's important for them is to spread their ideology, and they knew journalists with the same ideology will support them. This is a social/political movement.

  • @vanyadolly
    @vanyadolly Месяц назад +1

    Fantastic video. Thanks for this.
    Gaider who was the lead writer for the Dragon Age series said he felt like Bioware resented its writers and the need for them when he left. They don't care about the quality of the writing or maintaining lore consistency in a sprawling fantasy setting when they can churn out an action RPG instead.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      Thank you very much! That really means a lot! I think a lot of these studios don’t understand their own audience. They think all gamers are either children or have short attention span. They think story is not important and irrelevant and when it comes to RPGs they couldn’t be more wrong! Fans of RPGs love deep writing with great stories as Witcher 3, rdr2 and bg3 success has shown! Story is my no 1 priority in a game!

  • @ge9367
    @ge9367 Месяц назад +1

    I guess the lesson is to never get too attached to a franchise. Teams change, times change and all these factors influence an end product. Thanks for another great vid 👍

  • @ShadowWizard
    @ShadowWizard Месяц назад +1

    from 1 to 3 the changes were not terrible, games were still good, but with failguard they crossed the line
    8:52 it costs this much time and money cause they changed directions with the game 3 times, meaning they restarted 3times, first it was tread wolf then they tried to make dragon age mmo and in the end they made vailguard

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      You could definitely tell it was an online game at one point! It feels like an online game. The whole pace of it, the health in jars across the map, it’s evident it changed around so much.

  • @ozskeeter
    @ozskeeter Месяц назад +1

    Dragon Age ... was a fan, absolutely a fan of Skyrim, Fallout, Witcher (all of them) and BG3 (all of the Balder's Gates) ( I started my CRPG pathway in the very early days of text based adventures and then Wizardry)

  • @arx3516
    @arx3516 29 дней назад

    The Legacy of Kain series saw constant variations between titles in terms of gameplay, from top-down 2d rpg in Blood Omen to a Devil My Cry inspired fighting game. But despite these changes the artistic style and tone of the series never changed. That's what everyone should do with their franchises, keep the aspects that the players like the most intact and feel free to experiment with the things that are the weakpoints.

  • @alessandrobaggi6129
    @alessandrobaggi6129 Месяц назад +3

    Look at the thumbnail... "ingore" doesn't sound quite right... 🤔😅

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      @@alessandrobaggi6129 man! Just seen it now! Fixing it asap!

  • @SourPatches2077
    @SourPatches2077 Месяц назад +1

    It’s time we move on and support the smaller independent game makers. I don’t buy that a game take as much money to make as these big companies claim. A lot of ego involved.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      Yes and indecision. The fact is DaV went through so many changes. It was made an online battle royale game first and then changed again then again. That’s where all the money went. But it also shows they don’t care about their fans. Bottle Royales make a lot of money if done rihht so they tried to do that whilst using the brand of the dragon age. Then they switched back but it shows they considered life long dragon age fans as last. Nowadays they only care about the money. I’m going to open up a new playlist called “indie spotlight” where I bring attention to the best up and coming indie RPG games

  • @VelcroSnake93
    @VelcroSnake93 Месяц назад

    2:50 - To me, after Fallout 2 the next real sequel was actually Wasteland 2 and then 3. Not true sequels since they weren't Fallout, but MUCH closer than Fallout 3 and beyond were.

  • @Jkend199
    @Jkend199 Месяц назад +1

    I agree, and then of course I don't. Comparing Morrowind sales to Skyrim sales is not apples to apples. The industry as a whole was growing massively during the 10-year span between Morrowind and Skyrim... Now is it true that gamers expect voice acting in 2025 and would never accept an RPG without it, yes, it is, minimum standards have changed in the 20+ years since Morrowind. I think that what you would find however, that there is a ravenous unserved market for games with depth and complexity... I think that if a game came out in 2025 that had a deep setting with realistic factions and characters and a complex and gripping story with meaningful choices, and you combined that with combat that had some actual depth, where the game demanded that you actually learn the systems and "get good" in order to win combat encounters. Then go a step further and put puzzles in the game that require at least a bit of thought, stuff that *gasp* might be more than an ADD 10-year-old could handle. I think if a studio put together a game like that that they would find that there is FUCKING HUGE audience that has been looking for that game... an audience that NO ONE is catering too who would push sales to the moon. And you know what, I don't think it would have to be the most visually impressive game, I think if the game had 2017 graphics AND everything I mentioned above I don't think the 2017 graphics would hurt it.
    I think there are a lot of people just like me who would love that kind of game who basically haven't bought an RPG in years because the kind of RPG they want just isn't made anymore. I also think that an RPG like this would be an instant classic and a mega hit because there is an audience far bigger than anyone realizes that would FUCKING LOVE that type of game who has basically exited the games market cuz what we want no longer exists.

  • @moggwa6071
    @moggwa6071 Месяц назад +1

    I am sorry but "less impactful decision"? Did any of you play Inquisition?

    • @laurentguyot3362
      @laurentguyot3362 Месяц назад +1

      I played it, not a terrible game but a far cry from the bioware golden age but still much better than the last DA "thing"

  • @changvasejarik62
    @changvasejarik62 Месяц назад

    Bob’s game once posited something to the effect that since you don’t expect the higher-ups of a doll company to actually play with their dolls the same logic applies with games.
    I am inclined to agree since there is more to the process of game development than what we see as an audience.
    However, games are a market that depends heavily on its audience and has more interactions with its audience than a doll company. So it not an unfair expectation to assume they’ve played the game if only to avoid sounding out of touch.
    Plus I do expect higher ups to take their own product if only so they have a stake outside of profit.

  • @FearDeFreak
    @FearDeFreak 22 дня назад

    I know, I know. 8 month video and a side tangent I am gonna make not really related to the main part but still.
    The reason we are getting all of the Remakes (or as I call them, REmakes) is because CAPCOM soft-rebooted the series with RE7, then decided "Well actually, this is a full reboot."
    So now all the REmake titles (which the devs refer to as "Reimaginings") are meant to fill in the missing timeline gaps leading up to RE7 and beyond.
    That is why we had at first a lot of small characterization differences (like why Leon was late to the Raccoon City incident. OG timeline was that he got drunk cause of a break up, was sad and slept in. REE timeline was because he was told to stay out but his good boy nature had him want to show up to help anyways.) to bigger changes that could be seen as contradictory if we acted as if the REmakes and OG games were in the same canon/timeline. (OG in RE2 had Claire A and Leon B be the canon. REE has Leon 1st and Claire 2nd be canon. As seen in the opening of REmake 4. As well as some other things throughout REmake 4.)
    So expect to see REmake 1, (maybe 0) REmake Code:Veronica, REmake 5 (teased at the end of REmake 4) and even REmake 6 in the future.
    While we get RE9 and beyond in between REmakes. (RE9 most likely releasing in 2025-2026, then RE10 prolly not until like 2028-2030.)
    The Original Game (OG) timeline would be: RE0, RE1 (original and 2002), RE2, RE3, RE C:V, RE4, RE5 and ending with RE6. (RE Revelations 1 & 2 is also a part of this continuity.)
    The RE Engine (REE) timeline is then (so far): REmake 2, REmake 3, REmake 4, (REmake 5 teased,) RE7 and RE8.
    Still missing a few chapters in the story to round it out. Namely, REmake 1 (and maybe 0), REmake C:V, REmake 5 & REmake 6.
    We at least still have most of the original games. Though it would be nice if they did a MGS Master Collection for the OG games, like RE2 and 3. So they can be played without Emulation.
    But as it stands, think of the REmake ("reimagining") games and RE7+ as a new reboot of Resident Evil.
    So OG RE5 and REmake 5 can still exist next to one another as two experiences. One not meant to replace the other. (As apposed to what a Remaster or 1:1 Remake does.)
    Since like OG RE4 and REmake 4, playing both gives you a greatly different experience in gameplay, with different characterizations in story. (B movie horror action star Leon vs. Depressed boyscout Leon)

  • @Martial-Mat
    @Martial-Mat Месяц назад +19

    "New studios like CD Projekt Red" 30 years old.🤣 "These studios keep putting out quality RPGs" Like the disastrous Cyberpunk? I'm not convinced you have a clue what you're talking about.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +6

      Cyber punk turned it around is now considered a fantastic game! It had a shaky launch but has managed to completely turn it around. CDPR made mistakes but went on to correct them which I have to commend.

    • @Martial-Mat
      @Martial-Mat Месяц назад +19

      @@AVVGaming1 You'll forgive me, but I HATE when people use Cyberpunk or No Man's Sky as examples of games done right. What those companies did were not "mistakes," they were wilful attempts to deceive everyone so they could get cash early to fund further development. I will NEVER forgive them for that.
      But the problem is, many players had a crappy experience then never went back to the games. To say nothing of the wasted time, or even time off work.

    • @ge9367
      @ge9367 Месяц назад +3

      ​@@Martial-Matsounds like this topic hit a nerve with you. It's important to give people a chance at redemption, otherwise these games would never have improved.

    • @Martial-Mat
      @Martial-Mat Месяц назад +13

      @@ge9367 Being ripped off hits a nerve with me because every single company is getting away with everything they can, and that's a shitty world to inhabit. That doesn't mean I'm not 100% right.
      A chance at redemption? No, these companies should be accountable and should be forced to give refunds to every single purchaser who wants it regardless of play time. I don't care about redemption - it's not my responsibility, nor should it be.
      They will only stop doing this crap when there are serious consequences. Why do you think Abusisoft delayed the launch of Assassin's creed a year? Why do you think Bethesda waited an extra year on Starfield? To quote John Wick, "Consequences."

    • @JimmyThree-Balls
      @JimmyThree-Balls Месяц назад +2

      ​@@Martial-Matas someone who preordered nms and still plays it( I played when there was 3 elements,like iron for example) their comeback has to be the best comeback ever. They have been giving game changing updates for years for free( I hate the term "free update" but it actually applies here) which would be 15 dollars for each considering the added content. It's even more than what was promised now

  • @adamaccountname
    @adamaccountname Месяц назад

    I wish Owlcat were more successful with their games, they're always epic in scope and pretty deep, especially the mechanics based in pathfinder 1 (unofficial d&d 3.5)

  • @MoonDog991
    @MoonDog991 Месяц назад +2

    Don't ingore me.

  • @BooDamnHoo
    @BooDamnHoo Месяц назад +1

    Another thing to look at are investors. If Blackrock or Vanguard are invested, then the company doesn't need to make profits because those investors backstop them and fully support woke.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      But why? What’s their end goal? Why do they want to push agendas in their media? It obviously will hurt sales but why are they doing it?

    • @BooDamnHoo
      @BooDamnHoo Месяц назад

      @AVVGaming1 They must think they will win and get woke into everything, with everyone giving in to it. Otherwise there isn't any sense to it. They are clearly wrong yet they persist. Just like Blackrock is behind the attack on farmers in the UK. Why?

  • @ungeimpfterrusslandtroll7155
    @ungeimpfterrusslandtroll7155 Месяц назад +1

    Dragon Age was always going downhill. Even the first as much as i liked it, i still remember that i was disappointed because it was advertised as a Baldurs Gate successor in spirit which it for sure did not live up to.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      Honestly I was going to do a video on it because dragon age games in my opinion where never that strong. I have seen so many fans come out and describe the older titles as masterpieces but it never seemed that way to me. It was never BG3, Elden ring, Skyrim or Witcher 3 level. They always seemed just a step down and I think some of the things fans say the new doesn’t have (dark writing, in-depth writing etc) is not quite right. By the way some people describe it you’d think it was the greatest game of all time. And it’s unfair to compare the new games to a bar that wasn’t set. That’s my personal take anyway lol

  • @SENATORPAIN1
    @SENATORPAIN1 Месяц назад

    A lot of people including myself forget to look at video games like movies and tv shows the longer they go on the worse they get so it would be smart to just ignore or at least not get excited for next elder scrolls fallout dragon age etc.

  • @el5anto
    @el5anto Месяц назад +1

    I choose to ingore studios

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      I think indie game developers are where it’s at now!

  • @jackskellingtonsfollower3389
    @jackskellingtonsfollower3389 Месяц назад

    It's a sad state that gaming is in right now. So many publishers are obsessed with quantity over quality. They are looking at the fastest profit over the long term profit, and are so blinded by their greed that they are completely oblivious to the fact that they are alienating the core fans of these franchises. They aren't acknowledging that doing this will actually have a negative effect on their profits. It also doesn't help that these people are the same ones who are actively attacking gamers who give reviews that aren't in favor of the games they release.

  • @Alpha-oo8
    @Alpha-oo8 Месяц назад

    I think a more accurate term to describe vielgaurds reception would be “controversial”

  • @MrsOutlawCaliber
    @MrsOutlawCaliber Месяц назад +1

    This is why I will now stop following gaming companies instead I will follow the writes who made the games great.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      @@MrsOutlawCaliber don’t blame you! I got another video coming out next week and after doing research it’s amazing to see how distant they are from the fans now

  • @loke6664
    @loke6664 Месяц назад

    I think part of the problem is that fewer of the newer devs are gamers themselves so they don't really understand what works. Instead they put in self inserts and modern American politics in games that shouldn't have them like fantasy and sci-fi games. Many studios also seems to hire people who lack the competence and drive as their old employees had. When people do less work and the quality drops, that means development will take more time and cost more money. That in turn means it will need to sell more to break even and the game is less fun as well.
    And using American politics in a game does not only upset all Americans with a different view, it also annoys the international market hurting the sales even more.
    Publishers who don't get gaming but see something is popular and telling their studios to make something similar is a problem, but it is not a new problem. Remember when every other studio tried to recreate Wow? Or the Diablo clones of the late 90s? You might not, most of those games failed terrible but there is always a few that worked out. This is not something that have changed or can explain the massive amounts of lackluster western AAA games, particularly from North America.
    Compare the companies who keep failing with someone like Nintendo or Larian for that matter if you want a western (Dutch) studio. Their bosses are gamers and most of them have made successful games in the past. They know what works and how to make a game.
    Todd Howard is more of an exception today, he is a gamer even though he has lost his edge. I am not sure how much of Bethesda's problem is his fault and how much it is that the talented employees who backed him up is gone now, but I think the latter is a huge part of it.
    Most of the innovation in NA games today is done in the indie market and AA space. Even Larian for that matter is an indie studio. It might also be that the publishers corporate hiring practices is behind a lot of the problems.
    I don't think a good game need to have the latest graphics, just look on Terraria and Stardew valley with 60 million and 30 million copies sold. They are great games and fun so they sell. DA4 is not so it sells poorly even if it had a famous IP.

  • @sensoeirensen
    @sensoeirensen Месяц назад

    I miss the look and feel from RE 0-3 and CVX. Also the music and atmosphere were SO MUCH better than the newer Resis.

  • @prezzeruk4054
    @prezzeruk4054 Месяц назад

    Heres another prime example of devs ignoring their fans.
    Battlefield games!!
    Bf games were alot more tactical than the run n gun cod games.
    In bf a single well placed shot could take u out, especially in the early games.
    But even bf3 and to some degree bf4, the game play was more tactical, u couldnt run around and get loads of kills.
    Team work was massively important, especially to capture points and take out vehicles.
    And the maps were massive!
    I bet u could fit all the maps from a cod game, into a single bf map!
    In cod even in team games most players do their own thing.
    Bf had alot of adoring fans, but it wasnt enough for ea.
    Ea wanted the cod crowd as well!
    So they changed bf to be more like cod and slowly but surely, ruined battlefield!
    For players who only cared about cod.
    Cod players didnt switch to battlefield at all.
    And bf let down bf fans, found something else to play!

  • @lol32jnjcaa62
    @lol32jnjcaa62 Месяц назад +1

    a very objective perspective, thanks for the video good sir. as for quality games made for gamers , i advice avoid so called "AAA" games and go for "indie" games

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      Thank you very much! I’m thinking of doing a new series entitled “indie spotlight” or something where every now and then I do a deep analysis and highlight the best new rpg indie games to get them attention. Think it could be interesting! What do you think?

    • @lol32jnjcaa62
      @lol32jnjcaa62 Месяц назад

      @@AVVGaming1there can not be enough videos regarding objective opinions and sharing games that people may not know is always great.

  • @ArtemShoobovych
    @ArtemShoobovych Месяц назад

    it is not like a studio immediately loses every single penny earned from the previous works and start from absolute scratch - they still have the talent, the technology and a substantial budget. the investments are supposed to cover whatever the difference is. it's not like investors are literally bank-rolling the entire development so they are entitled to dictate the game direction

  • @sik3xploit
    @sik3xploit Месяц назад

    Narcissists don't need the opinion of others when their own is always right.

  • @dribrom
    @dribrom Месяц назад

    All Games studios, movie studios, etc. ignores their own fans. What they are chasing are new fans. They never cater to the hardcore fans.

  • @Disposalist
    @Disposalist Месяц назад

    Corporate greed. Studio priorities are improving profits and reducing costs to impress shareholders and maximise bonuses and they will compromise anything to do so.
    'Gamers' have also changed. The majority (that corps aim at broadening their appeal to) are not game 'fans', they are casual players.
    Modern gamers apparently will buy any old crap, think they are lucky, ask for more and move on a month later to the next shiny crap.

  • @Hynotama
    @Hynotama Месяц назад +1

    Because they’re not game studios. They’re activist studios.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      Do you remember when game studios used to focus on making games! How crazy was that!?

  • @andreaso8886
    @andreaso8886 Месяц назад +1

    While technology advances, the art of storytelling goes the opposite way.
    Technology is no guarantee for a good game or movie.
    I am an artist. I can draw very well and have a longstanding experience as an illustrator. But I'm not a good storyteller. I started my own graphic novel but discarded it since I couldn't get the compelling parts into a good story.
    Same with games and movies. They look great, but with todays technology that's not the argument.
    I often hear that I should get used to 'modern' storytelling because it's so much better. Well, not for ne, and apparently not for many others.
    I don't need super realistic graphics. I happily play games like Skald or Solasta. Heck I still play the Quest for Glory games. Because they are fun! Because they have good stories!

    • @creatorsfreedom6734
      @creatorsfreedom6734 Месяц назад +1

      there are book's from like 1960's that can be made into video' game's , but nooo everyone want's recognition for something they made recently

  • @croissant-destroyer
    @croissant-destroyer 8 дней назад

    great video!

  • @John-f2z
    @John-f2z 29 дней назад +1

    I have to admit Fallout grabbed me with Fallout 3. New Vegas and four and I also like the open world Assassin's Creed more. At least Odyssey and Valhalla. No fan of Fallout76 though.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  29 дней назад

      Me either. I enjoyed fallout 4 and still play it occasionally. Fallout 3 for me in 2008 blew my mind and new vegas is a game I consider in my top 10 of all time. Fallout 76 and me don’t get along because I don’t like online games. Doesn’t mean they’re bad it’s just not my preference. I’d rather play assassins over 76 all day!

  • @samlee9216
    @samlee9216 Месяц назад +1

    Owlcat Games still caters to hardcore CRPG fans.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      I’m thinking of doing a future series where I highlight indie new rpg games! Give them a spotlight and let people know about those games. Aaa game studios always get all the attention and I want to provide a platform to promote these smaller devs

    • @samlee9216
      @samlee9216 Месяц назад

      @@AVVGaming1 I hope you do get a chance! But hardcore CRPGs are hard to recommend even to my gamer friends. I think BG3 has really set an impossibly high bar for even smaller studios.

  • @Emanon...
    @Emanon... Месяц назад

    Corporate greed.
    And they likely did their "homework":
    There are far more money on the mainstream normie market (with sufficient PR) than for the adult fans of good RPGs.

  • @chickendrawsdogs3343
    @chickendrawsdogs3343 Месяц назад +1

    CDPR might be doomed. My hopes are (pun) riding on Warhorse and Larian now.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      I love all 3 of those studios! First of all, bg3 was incredible. Secondly I think kcd2 will be one of the greatest RPGs of all time! I am so excited for it and adore the first one. But CDPR haven’t disappointed me…yet. I just hope they stick to their current values and don’t get sucked into the poltics game. They don’t need sweet baby, they write fantastically and don’t need help! And I also love obsidian for fallout new vegas and outerworlds. One worrying thing is that all the studios we have faith it are not in USA. It seems like all the USA big studios are letting down fans .

  • @ImpChadChan
    @ImpChadChan Месяц назад

    Well, I hope these studios understand that live service games work like a leech, they suck money and time from players, so yes, they can make billions of dollars, but they also destroy all the other games around them, because players won't have the time and money to play anything else. So a publisher that invests in a game like this is hurting their own other games, these other games they have will sell less because of the live service games. Plus, there will always be a portion of players who will refuse to play these live service games no matter what.

  • @Creslin321
    @Creslin321 Месяц назад +1

    Why do some thumbnails "ingore" spell check 😁

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +1

      Bro tell me how I saw this comment earlier and thought it was just random! I was like why they say that? Then I figured it out just now lol I’m gonna say it was a statement and there’s a deeper meaning behind it lol

    • @Creslin321
      @Creslin321 Месяц назад

      @@AVVGaming1 haha good plan, it happens :)

  • @Kelurani
    @Kelurani Месяц назад

    I don't fucking care if it's simple or user-friendly. I just want a good story with good characters. That's all. But they can no longer make it

  • @ShadowWizard
    @ShadowWizard Месяц назад

    4:22 that sys i actually like, but it wasn't real enough, i would have wanted to build prison and put raiders in prion and forced labaor like IRL past prisoners, but game AI wasn't programmed for that

  • @AkiRa22084
    @AkiRa22084 Месяц назад

    If your favorite game is a niche, you don't get to be entitled and expect a AAA version.
    If you want more Fallout 1, go play Underrail.

  • @juliorosal9698
    @juliorosal9698 Месяц назад +1

    woah woah woah. OG RE4 is objectively better, especially with better voiced lines.
    RE4 remake was done with HR consent. Leon was stale as fuck. Ashley was nerfed in all aspect and no memorable/meme worthy events.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      I was gutted they took that boss out by the way! The one on the falling platforms! I love the OG RE4 and it’ll never be beaten in my opinion.

    • @juliorosal9698
      @juliorosal9698 Месяц назад

      ​@@AVVGaming1That boss they gave it to Ada for some unknown reason, maybe for wahmen power, even the laser QTE.

  • @Axterix13
    @Axterix13 Месяц назад

    As far as development time, worth noting those values often tossed around aren't really accurate. A game will start with a pitch, some concept art, and so on. This has hardly any people on it. It can then sit around for a while, because it isn't yet time to commit to a new project. Then the time comes when you'll soon want a new project. That's when you'll refine the design and do some prototyping. Relatively few people working on it at that point. And then you're likely waiting for your previous project to ship. It's only once that previous project starts wrapping up that your staffing starts going up. So if looking at DA:V, early 2019 is when Anthem prepared for release, and this is likely when much of the Anthem team transitioned to DA. And then keep in mind that DA transitioned from a live service game to a single player one, so that would have tacked on more dev time as well.
    But that said, when you're looking at 4+ years with a full dev team of hundreds, that's A) a lot of money and B) a lot of time between when you start full development and when the product ships.

  • @eternalsummer8409
    @eternalsummer8409 Месяц назад +1

    Companies be like”ohh let’s pander to the woke, get all the shareholder money” then wonder why their game flops, then attack sucsesful games like Elden ring and bg3

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      They really did that right? They attacked Elden ring saying it shouldn’t work as it didn’t follow their stupid blueprints of “KISS” and having massive checklist to do things. God I hate modern AAA studios. They just don’t get it.

  • @ittadakimaho
    @ittadakimaho Месяц назад

    Veilguard disregards also the lore of their franchise.
    Also when you look at the game, there is one simple answer here: streamlining. And how business and software development processes in general became more modern and less focussed on the final product. Usually devs are not part of smaller teams that know what the whole project is about, instead they get tiny pieces of tasks to complete, there is no overview here of what is actually being created and as such also have less opportunity to maybe bring in their voice of warning.
    This whole thing is a very global business move to make every worker replacable, no company wants exceptional talents, they want replacable worker drones.
    The game itself is also very very streamlined, meaning there was a very easy pattern: create location, create companion, create enemy faction.
    Add missions in location, add companion missions.
    The dialog as a result was more of an afterthought. It is clear, that none of the writers actually indulged or care about the lore they were writing in. So the junk we got is the outcome.
    Enemy factions became faceless junk. These factions who had huge lore implications, are now reduced to just 'red dots on a minimap'.
    DA:V is the first DA game .. where there was literally no companion that was likable at all. And given how much time the game forces you to invest here .. makes it a horrible experience.
    There is a clear demand of people, to not be fed mindless slog. If you think your game can only reach high numbers in this way, you really need to get out of this industry.
    Keep the mobile slob on mobiles .. because the usecase is a different one. If you are producing a huge single player 'AAA' experience, do not look at simple mobile games as a template.
    People.. do not like that stuff. You end up alienating all your potential customers, because a mobile game player.. (where those big numbers come from) is mostly a different and disjunct target group from a pc or console player. Funny the market fails to ever learn that tiny lesson ..

  • @ruperterskin2117
    @ruperterskin2117 Месяц назад

    Right on. Thanks for sharing.

  • @AnticAgnostic
    @AnticAgnostic Месяц назад

    Political Activist Developers don't care about fans, it's all about The Message™.

  • @lachlan_kaiser
    @lachlan_kaiser Месяц назад +1

    15:34 Ah yes CD Projekt Red the thirty year old studio that lied to the customers, shareholders and press to release a game by all accounts three years too early.
    Definitely didn’t disappoint the fans, not at all.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад +2

      No they’re not new and that was my mistake on my behalf. But I have a question. So, CDPR made that mistake due to pressure from shareholders and rushed the game out and lied to fans rihht? Anyway, since then, they have worked tirelessly to fix it and now it’s a great game. The new dlc was great too. They apologised and did everything they could to earn back their fans trust. My question is, can they ever earn trust back from someone like yourself? If yes, what would it take? How many successful games would make up for the bad one.

  • @prezzeruk4054
    @prezzeruk4054 Месяц назад

    Heres why some devs ignore their fanbase.
    They dont want a fan base, they want to appeal to everyone!
    Or at least as many players as they can!
    But by catering for everyone, their games appeal to no one!

  • @OMGawkwardTURTLE
    @OMGawkwardTURTLE Месяц назад

    Idk based on their segments I’m supposed to be their prime buyers but I hate what I’ve seen from veilguard. I’m only going to buy when it goes on sale, maybe.

  • @loganswalk8621
    @loganswalk8621 Месяц назад

    There’s many problems in the triple A gaming industry but I think the sense of entitlement that they’ve adopted is the biggest I do get it to some extent imagine that you’ve been working on something for years and when it gets released everyone says it’s sh*t you would be angry but you have to be mature and take the criticism seriously so you can do better in the future.
    But a lot of these companies have taken to calling people who criticize their games racist or sexist and ignore that their games have bad writing or gameplay saying they don’t understand refusing to acknowledge that they made a mistake this kind of attitude only creates resentment towards the company and the players stop buying their games making the company less money.
    In short game companies need to learn some humility.

    • @embalancer6146
      @embalancer6146 Месяц назад

      You could say that about gamers as well .....

  • @Aracnacon1
    @Aracnacon1 Месяц назад +1

    Because being obtuse is normal now.

    • @AVVGaming1
      @AVVGaming1  Месяц назад

      Haha never has a comment rang truer!

  • @SingWhileYouMay
    @SingWhileYouMay Месяц назад

    Interesting video, but you're more than a decade off with Pong. That was early 70s.

  • @Amaranthine1000
    @Amaranthine1000 Месяц назад

    With Veilguard their main focus was to push Transgender ideology politics into the game and make that the primary focus of the game rather than an in depth rich story driven narrative. They also chose to disregard the previous installments involving the plot and in depth character personalities, traits and relationships. It came across that the creators of Veilguard had either never played the previous versions or actually cared about the source material. While they made a beautiful environment, the characters both artistically and personalities were bland, juvenile and unlikable. They went out of their way to ensure you could not create an accurate representation of the female form, only one that catered to their uglification and masculine aesthetic. These changes were not forced upon Bioware by the publisher, but by their lead game designer who pushed for their trans agenda to be the focus of the game. This took away from the immersion into a fantasy world by slamming modern day reality politics into your face and down your throat, rather than allowing a player to escape into a world of fantasy, mystery, excitement action and dragons.
    All previous Dragon Age games had Gay, lesbian and even trans elements in the game and it was up to the player to decide how they wanted to play and to whom they would interact with, in other words play the game they wanted to play and how they wanted to play it. In Veilguard you are forced to play the way the game developer wants you to play, hell you can't even be the bad guy in the game, all decisions you make are pointless lame and considered the nice option, even when you try to choose the bad. This isn't a game it is a manifesto.