Dan is my favorite critic because I find him to be consistently intellectually honest. Thank you, Dan. I'm sure we could disagree about a number of things, but we would do it in a constructive manner.
I just want to say that Dan is the only person that can make me sit 30 min and watch a video on a poll I never knew existed. 💪🏽 And on movies I have no interest in ever seeing. But like he said, isn’t that the purpose of art? It’s your relationship to it, not anyone else’s. I did expect Jaws to be in his list. He might still be upset at the teenagers! 🤣
I would recommend watching some of the films on this list. It's a good way to find new experiences and see what this art form has to offer besides what you already know.
@@timonsteup2877 I know, I know. I just know me and I know that I’m gonna be half way through this lady waiting in a bank line and be like “what am I doing with my life?” And go and watch Die Hard for the 150th time. 🤦🏽♂️
I was born in 1990 . My favorite films as follows Network Paris texas Alice in the cities Raging bull Vertigo Chinatown In a lonely place Leave her to heaven Imitation of life The godfather The seven samurai Back to the future Jaws . More than ten but whatever i adore those movies
Some of my favourite movies would be considered 'safe picks' like Dr Strangelove or 12 Angry Men. But then Galaxy Quest and Uncle Buck are some of the best times i've had watching a film. Critics' lists are more of a guide to well made films you might enjoy.
Hell yeah I just watched Citizen Kane last week and it is surely one of the most influential movie of all time, but nothing can beat the feeling of watching Rush Hour when I was young 😂
I know twitter has dumb controversies all the time, and this one regarding director's top ten lists didn't disappoint. Pretty much 100% agree with what you said. Someone's top ten is obviously and should always be personal, and that includes how they want to define the task of compiling a top ten list.
Dan hit on something great. While overall we can all agree that some films are great, our personal top 10 should be personal and therefore wildly different and beyond criticism. I'd love to see if they did two lists. First list of what you think are the top ten films ever, and a second list asking what are your personal favorite/enjoyable films. I know my answers would be very different. Some films are amazing and influential (like 2001) but I'd much rather rewatch Jurassic Park, and I think my most watched film is Pocco Rosso.
A most enjoyable film list would be nice for sure, but I think I would trust regular people more than I would trust critics to list the films they most enjoy without being influenced by what they think they should say. My toddler really likes Porco Rosso. Fun movie.
I agree. The IMDb 250 is actually a really great list for that. It's hard to argue against Citizen Kane on a technical and cultural level, but it's not a movie I'd throw on for fun. Jurassic Park, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the King are all in that category and, not as a coincidence, ranked high on the IMDb list
I am confident more than “3 of you stuck around” 😊 Thank you for explaining all of what the sight and sound is, as well as why it was buzzing. It had hit my feed and I had NO idea what it was or why
The gist I get is that Sight & Sound are like STAR WARS fans: they say "give us YOUR vision!" and then the turn around and say "Yeah, your vision was wrong!"
This is such an interesting video. Bravo to you for navigating this touchy topic with such a level head and an open mind. What a fascinating analysis, one that is accessible yet in-depth. Thank you for this!
I must say I'm a little torn. While Sight and Sound was consistent in asking for "change and a new mindset", when they didn't get the change they wanted they kept changing things until they did. Is that a genuine result? Maybe we have movies that simply stand the test of time? Thank you for your insight. Always appreciated.
@@mabusestestament I think you might be underestimating each of these movies. Get Out and Parasite do feel like they created a shift in cinema. And Portrait of a Lady On Fire has had a huge backing from countries other than the US. I think there's a good each all three of these are still Top 100 in 2032.
When it comes down to it if they had kept polling the exact same pool of people and their direction to those people to try to look to new voices and broaden their horizons fell on deaf ears then they had to bring in new people.
This is one of the best videos you've made on this channel. Lots of great discussion of how we evaluate art, and why that is very complicated and yet very important.
I tried to make a top 10 list of my own. It's hard because I have only seen a fraction of the movies you or the people from the Sight & Sound poll have seen. So my list is a bit on the basic side, but I think these all at least belong in the conversation. I put mine in alphabetical order too. 12 Angry Men The Apartment The Empire Strikes Back Fantasia The Fellowship of the Ring The Godfather Goodfellas Groundhog Day My Neighbor Totoro Pulp Fiction
You’re absolutely right. Making a list like this in retrospect is silly. Art is subjective. That said, as a film lover and nerd, I love the conversation this list always sparks. For me, I’ve seen some of the films on this list. Some I love, and a couple I don’t particularly care for. That said, I did get something out of all of them. I am looking forward to watching the ones I haven’t seen for that reason alone.
Always a lot to go into with these lists. At the very least I’m happy to see some animated films finally make the list. A list of the best films ever made that don’t have at least one animated film always feel a bit incomplete.
For me, animation is a separate category. When i made my popular music list, i included EVERYTHING EXCEPT Jazz and Classical which i consider separate categories.
I must say, you're the one person that can transcend his passion through YT in such way. I personally couldn't list my 10 favorites movies of all times because it changes depending on your mood, on your age and also on your memory frankly. But well done talking so well. I really didn't care about this list until I saw your video. And now I'm all worked up and can't wait to see 2032 list! How?! How did you do that!?!?
Of course, a 10 favorite movies of all time is going to depend on everything you listed and will change over time. That doesn't mean that whatever your 10 favorites right this moment is meaningless. And that what the S&S poll does, it captures a moment in time. In 2022, the consensus of these critics and directors are these movies. I think anyone who actually cares about movies should seek out most of these if they haven't seen them already. I've seen every movie on both lists except for one.
Great commentary Dan! It reminds me of all those gourmet chef's who preach/practice pretentious cuisine while secretly harboring Cheese Whiz in the back of their refrigerators.
100% people should be able to choose the 10 films they appreciate the most. For some that might be all foreign language films. For others, all western language films. For some, all gay cinema. It's up to the Sight & Sound selectors to make sure the people being polled are diverse, not the people themselves to try to pick a diverse list for the sake of it. That would lead to dishonest lists, which would be worthless
I urge you guys/ gals/ NBs to give these films a chance. I was surprised at how much I fell in love with golden age Hollywood and of course independent films always struck a chord with me but the 70s is probably the greatest decade in film history so give those a shot. Every decade has a different thing to offer so go out there and experience these snapshots of time. It’s amazing and although you won’t love all of them I think you’ll be surprised at how much is worth watching. I was shocked at how much I loved Hitchcock, I never thought he’d be one of my favorites. Paul Newmans catalogue is magnetic and Cary Grant has become one of my favorite Hollywood stars. If you want something to leave you shocked and confused give David Lynch a chance to leave you stupefied. He’s a goat imo.
I agree with your respect for 1970s cinema in regards to *American* (US) filmmaking given that was the height of the American New Wave/New Hollywood movement, where the money, power, and infrastructure of major Hollywood studios were used under relatively unparalleled creative freedom by the first generation of college/film school-educated auteurs (e.g. Martin Scorsese, Steven Spielberg, William Friedkin, George Lucas, Francis Ford Coppola, Brian de Palma). Other national film cultures experienced auteur-driven, reactionary movements at different times (e.g. Parallel Cinema in India, the French New Wave, etc.).
Great video Dan! I've been obsessed with the S&S poll since I first heard of it in Roger Ebert's Home Video Companion as a kid in the 80s. Minor correction - Sunrise dropped to #11 in this year's poll, not 33(think you were looking at it's ranking in the directors poll)
I never knew about this poll before, but now that I do, I definitely want to look for it in the future. Thanks Dan for taking the time to talk about this!
Adding up how diverse a list is has little to do with the qualities of the films. If the first 80 years of cinema were almost completely dominated by male directors it strikes me as strange that there could be possibly be enough time yet to make any substantial parity in the quantity or quality of films made by women. Sight and Sound has obviously leaned against the idea of there being any canon whatsoever. The IMDb Top 100 for all of it's faults, and there are many, strikes me as being a bit closer to the truth.
Hmm... two things I think about when rankings (including my own) come out: 1. Not many rankings, and NO GOAT rankings (FFS - how does anyone say X is forever the greatest?! What, nothing will come out in the future that will push it down the list? NOTHING?!) survive a second look. There are just too many amazing films in too many genres, with too many outstanding performances, exploring too many important subjects and/or themes, etc., etc., to choose from. You're forever going, "Damn, I forgot all about that flick. It was [insert superlative here]!" 2. These lists are always bound by the time they came out, they are AWLAYS 'OF THIS TIME'. They are also ALWAYS bound by the expressed and implicit bias (intended and unintended) of the list creators' chosen criteria, and of the chosen contributors. And this does have a value. While I don't think this was necessarily Dan's intention, I now want to explore all the Sight and Sound lists just to see how the cool kids' thinking has changed over the years. One more thing - there can be no more an orthodox institution than the British Film Institute (And AMPAS, the AFI, and others of their "class".) and no more orthodox an activity than taking it upon themselves to define the "film canon".
Yeah, "if the list is compiled of white men it is of all time, because then the selection is not biased, but if it's not it's of this time and it is biased" might be one of the more insane things I have heard in a while.
Haven't commented in a while but I just had to jump in here. I fully agree with your points Dan. Into every movie I go into I have an open mind and hope to get the best out of it. These lists should serve as healthy film discussion and I hate to see people being criticised for their film opinions.
A fascinating discussion. Representing all viewpoints cannot be the task of one individual... it is the reason we must open up the list to as many individuals as possible.
I love seeing a deep dive into a topic like this. There is so much history and nuance that colours this conversation. Broad assessments of whether the list is "good" or "bad" are far less interesting than the patterns, rules, and behaviours that shape what the list is and how it has changed over time.
The punishment should fit the crime… All critics who displaced Vertigo and Citizen Kane should be forced to sit through Jeanne Dielman- no bathroom breaks, and no napping.
They wouldn’t mind because they’re critics who enjoy great works of art. I’ve seen it before and it’s a masterpiece. You’re actually making me wanna watch it again :)
I think it’s good to make a list,it gives you an idea of other films you may never thought of watching,and try to get to watch them if time,money,opportunity ect allow.”Shaking up the tree” is good.Keep doing it
This was a great rundown of the poll(s) and the factors driving the results. There's a lot of "stop the steal" hysteria going about, and it's refreshing to get your broad perspective and incisive insights. The only thing I'd add regarding Jeanne Dielman is that, with Akerman, there's one "clear" choice for a film to include. As with Welles, producing a blazing masterpiece at the tender age of 25 tended to obscure the rest of her impressive output (no more so than with her follow-up, Les Rendez-vous d'Anna). With directors like Hitchcock there are many competing for a place. The same goes for Bresson, and I always like to say that with Jeanne Dielman Akerman out-Bressons Bresson. My own alphabetical list would also skew more modern: All About My Mother (1999, Pedro Amadóvar); Annie Hall (1977, Woody Allen); Carol (2015, Todd Haynes); Cléo from 5 to 7 (1962, Agnès Varda); The Green Ray (1986, Éric Rohmer); Household Saints (1993, Nancy Savoca); Jules and Jim (1962, François Truffaut); Long Day's Journey Into Night (2019, Bi Gan); Portrait of a Lady on Fire (2019, Céline Sciamma); and Les Rendez-Vous d'Anna (1978, Chantal Akerman). I thoroughly believe that there's room on every list for something completely idiosyncratic and off-the-way like Household Saints, although I have solid artistic reasons as well for ranking it. I happen to big a big Akerman fan: my covid project was working through the entire filmography of Varda, Akerman, Denis, Sciamma, and (Mati) Diop. Akerman is best appreciated for the totality of her work, so intriguing are the crosscurrents of themes, preoccupations, and techniques across her catalogue. At first, her formalism makes her hard to approach and even intimidating, but then the viewer finds oneself in an ongoing relationship with a bracing creative mind. An interesting tidbit for you: In 1978 the famous journal for French film bros, Les Cahiers du Cinéma, began writing about popular American movies for the first time since the 1950s. It published reviews and an appreciation of the new release, Jaws ... in the same issue where Jeanne Dielman was reviewed!
Great, great video Dan. One thing that I have always had a difficult time reconciling is the greatness of a film (in terms of technical and cultural merit) and audience enjoyment of said film. For example, 2001: A Space Odyssey is an amazingly MADE film...and I hate it. I have watched it 3 times and I just do not get the appeal. It is a good film that I find boring and contentious. I consider myself as someone with sophisticated film viewing habits (I love the Criterion Collection) and I was a film student at one time. I have seen and loved M, Bicycle Thieves, The Rules of the Game, etc...and I own and enjoy all of them. However, some of my favorite films include: Shawshank Redemption, Excalibur, and The Crow. I guess my point is: the greatest films need to be technical and cultural achievements AND are enjoyable to watch. This is the first time I have heard of Jeanne Dielman. I looked it up and everything I have read makes it sound like a miserable slog to get through.
Good discussion; I personally liked 2001 but it's because during my watch I tried to put myself in the role of the characters. What if I was trapped in space and a sentient A.I. was capable of reading my mouth movements? If you try to place yourself in the situation sometimes it helps. I agree though, at times there was too much time spent on slow moving planning shots and it felt like it was taking forever. I understand why folks hate it, my husband was the same way. I think a film's success is if they did anything technically great and if it's well remembered in 5 years or so after it released. To me a strong film needs staying power even if its remembered in a negative light as long as its remembered or quoted by people. I liked your outlook too though. It does help if the vast majority of an audience enjoyed said film and not just give it adoration for its technology etc.
If you leave tiktok for a while maybe you'll get a normal attention span again. 2001 is pure spectacle, it being here shows that Hollywood blockbuster moviemaking is still severly over valued.
And this is why the IMDb Top 250 list is the only list you should care about when figuring out what to put on. It's a consensus of what normal people like and that's how you get Shawshank, The Dark Knight and Lord of the Rings, all movies I'd much rather watch than 2001 or Jeanne Bielman
@@mabusestestament See...I love Schindler's List. I have seen it like 4-5 times. It is well-paced, a great lead character, beautifully shot, and even has moments of levity. And that ending! It might be a difficult watch. However, it is an uplifting movie about hope and humanity. I would definitely consider it entertaining.
I did not know anything about this poll before this video, so thank you for explaining and giving some background on it. I also really appreciate your points about the subjectivity of art, and that people's personal top ten lists will be subjective. I can't stand when people feel obligated to name certain things as their favorite just to appease the public's opinion on a what a top ten list should be.
My personal Top 10 are 10. Wizard of Oz 09. Rocky 08. Do the Right Thing 07. Forrest Gump 06. The Godfather 05. Citizen Kane 04. Boyhood 03. 2001 a Space Odyssey 02. Eraserhead 01. Pulp Fiction
This was a great commentary, Dan; both well-considered and passionate. Thanks for mentioning the evolution of the Sight & Sound Poll as well as the changes to how it was conducted. There is a lot to consider but, in the end, this list reflects the times we are living in and especially how art and politics mix. That said, there will be some well-deserved attention to movies that have, otherwise, not languished. Discussion is fruitful but criticism towards the tastes of others is reductive. By the way, I thought your own Top 10 List was pretty solid. Keep up the sterling work!
This is a very intelligent look at the survey and I finally learned how the votes are counted. Since Renoir is a big fav of mine I was saddened to see his two masterpieces fall so far. But my biggest grouse is Sunrise falling from #5 to #33. I almost cant believe this Sunrise is a stone cold masterpiece, the crowning achievement of the silent era and just the most visually and emotionally sublime film, maybe ever. I've got a bad feeling that as the number of voters increased so much, many more young voters were added and they just don't have an appreciation for silent films. They go for the latest big thing. This shouldn't be the case but I fear it is. BTW anyone know if Cahiers Du Cinema is going to publish a new list? I think their last was in 2007 and that time Night of the Hunter at #2 was a BIG shocker. Thank you Dan.
@@ashmaterial late 60's. As a director myself I've felt this way since I was in my 30's. In the directors poll, The Searchers fell to #72, can you believe it? My god, and these are film directors. For the record my favorite films are Dr. Mabuse the Gambler, Sunrise, The Rules of the Game, I Walked with a Zombie, The Flowers of St. Francis, The Searchers, Kiss Me Deadly, Touch Of Evil, Vertigo, Jacques Demy's Lola, Shoot the Piano Player, Contempt and Goodfellas. Film noir is my fav genre so I've got 3 on my list.
@@willieluncheonette5843 i feel exactly same and i am in my 30s. i cant imagine what would be in my 60s. and i dont understand the youth today and their hate to silent and old cinema. I just dont understand modern cinema it has lost all its magic. I love sunrise, Rules of Game. Some of my favorites Cabinet of dr. Caligari (1920), Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde 1931, La grande Illusion, All quiet on western front (1930), Third Man, Last year at Marienbad, A man escaped, Ordet, Muchette, Nanook of the North, Bridge on River Kwai, Doctor Zhivago, Lawrence of Arabia, Raging Bull, Stagecoach, Man who shot Liberty Valance. Death by Hanging. They just dont make movies like this anymore and kids nowadays they dont even know this films exist. They just watch their stupid tiktoks and horror movies
@@ashmaterial You named some great films. I guess my favs on your list are La Grande Illusion, A Man Escaped, Muchette, Stagecoach and Liberty Valence. I was once a member of a film noir group and wrote a negative review of The Third Man. Boy did I get it!...lol...I should have worn a flak jacket before I posted it.
I think The Searchers fell some because it has some racist elements in it. I would guess that Touch of Evil fell because white Charlton Heston plays a Mexican. I suspect The General fell because the lead characters are on the side of the Confederacy. I think these are legitimate reasons to criticize these films even though I personally love Touch of Evil and I always considered The General overrated. There's the old adage that art has to stand the test of time, and as times and standards change, some art will fall by the wayside.
Inspired by Dan's decision to "put skin in the game," allow me - as my local university newspaper's resident film critic - to toss out my personal Top 10 ever made (not including four of my all-time favorites, two of which would take the top spot: The Social Network, and the 2013 rendition of The Great Gatsby). Listed in alphabetical order (not including articles): The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (Wiene) The Great Hack (Amer, Noujaim) Loving Vincent (Kobiela, Welchman) The Prince of Egypt (Chapman, Hickner, Wells) Rocky (Avildsen) Seven Samurai (Kurosawa) Spider-Man: Into The Spiderverse (Persichetti, Ramsey, Rothman) The Ten Commandments (DeMille) Waltz With Bashir (Folman) Wolf Children (Hosoda) And as Dan said, these very well could change if you were to ask me again in a week or two!
@@scarlettmi Indeed; I consider it one of the ten greatest films ever made not just because of the painstaking effort it took to make (14,000+ unique paintings), but because of the fruitful effort it blossomed into - a Citizen Kane-esque story about the final days of an artist in unknowable pain, using that very pain to fuel a gorgeous legacy of artwork and motivation for more of that artwork from the hands of students centuries apart from him.
Hey Dan, Honest Question: Every year hundreds of movies are produced, and yet Citizen Kane is still the greatest movie of all time….despite years of advancement in cinematography, editing, sound, and the more complex and enriching s scripts of today, older movies are still and always considered “the best” Are movies getting better, worse, or are we just too nostalgic to say something is better than Citizen Kane?
The way I've heard it described is that Citizen Kane was absolutely revolutionary for its time in the techniques not just that it used, but that it created. The same way that Jurassic Park was the first to seamlessly use CGI and practical effects, Jaws was the first "summer blockbuster". We tend to immortalize the "firsts". Newer audiences have a hard time conceptualizing the impact of these things because we now see them all the time, but critics and 'cinephiles' have a more intellectual understanding of their lasting impacts. Personally I find Citizen Kane agonizingly dull, but I can concede that it was a huge step forward in movie making. But to Dan's point, it's hard to define what the word "best" means. Because it's subjective and can have a multitude of different criteria.
Full disclosure, I actually do love Citizen Kane on it's own terms. But similar to another answer, it was so ahead of it's time that it gets extra credit. Similar to sports. For as great as Babe Ruth was, he wasn't facing the kind of stuff pitchers can throw today. There's no reason to think he would put up anything similar to the numbers today that he did then. But you can only judge them based on their era and he was so far ahead of everyone of his time, that he belongs in the "Greatest of All Time" conversations.
What makes a movie "great" isn't just how enjoyable it is, but how important it is. Citizen Kane is maybe the most influential film of all time. It's a great movie on its own terms (as in, the story is timeless) and it practically created modern cinematography and camera work. No film has topped it because we've become so technically proficient that there's less room for innovation. And movies that are technically innovative, like Avatar, aren't always great stories that stand the test of time
God, I love the internet sometimes. You just can't win with some people on here, so there is no point in trying to do stuff that appeases the masses or the smaller because you're gonna get crap, no matter what. So best to be 100% honest about those feelings and take what comes the way.
For a few years I worked a couple blocks from an avant-garde video store that carried a lot of movies like this, and would get things because they recommended them (particularly in French because I am close to fluent). Until now I was unaware of the existence of this movie. Doesn't mean they didn't have it. But maybe they didn't want to recommend a 3-hour movie whose premise and conclusion were easily guessable before I read any of the descriptions...
Please as someone who first watched Jeanne Dielman and hated it, give it another chance, it significantly amazes on a rewatch and geniuely becomes one of the most hypnotising films you'll ever see, once you know where the film was going and its pacing, what its all about what a second rewatch offers you is to fully breathe in the richness of the film which is more exposed and more meaningful on a second watch, i urge you if you ever feel like watching it a second time please do
@@ann-mariepaliukenas19 seriously the second time becomes very hypnotic since there's no longer that aching anticipation of where will the plot or story go etc and what you have is just the experience of watching the film and somehow with that and the knowledge of knowing what happened it all adds up and become something very special. Tbh that's all with Chantal Akerman's films, first time around you like it but also find it exhausting, most often time appreciating more then enjoying but then rewatching comes and suddenly its like something clicked and its magical how engaged you become.
I love the phrase "The wrongs of the past" - some critics were asked to list ten films they love, and then they did. There are no wrongs there, and there should be no wrong answers. As soon as one starts thinking about what others will think about your list, rather than what ten films do I love above all others, the list is meaningless. Should Sight and Sound actively seek out a list that is representative? Sure, why not. Should they add unqualified people to the list to make up the numbers? No. That said, I have no reason to think that they would have to, only that they shouldn't. Its also weird that they see the list having some constantcy and get miffed, rather than celebrating the enduring quality of those films, and celebrating the wonder of film, that it can be replayed and enjoyed by subsequent generations.
One of my favorite things to do and read about for decades, i would never think that making favorite movie lists is silly. I can never seem to decide upon the 10 best color films ive ever seen, but i can do 7 and here they are in order of awesomeness... #1 - War And Peace - 1967 #2 - Lawrence Of Arabia - 1962 #3 - 2001 A Space 0dyssey - 1968 #4 - Apocalypse Now - 1979 #5 - French Connection - 1971 #6 - North By Northwest - 1959 #7 - Singin In The Rain - 1952 But if i had to decide upon 3 more favorite color films they would probably be... #8 - Star Wars - 1977 #9 - Jaws - 1975 #10 - Exorcist - 1973 And thats 2 for director William Friedkin. Heres 3 more strong possibilities... #8 - Kwaidan - 1964 #9 - Come And See - 1985 10 - Vertigo - 1958 And thats 2 for director Alfred Hitchcock. Some more powerful contenders... Ran - 1985, Dersu Uzala - 1975, Rear Window - 1954, Umbrellas Of Cherbourg - 1964, Shane - 1953 and on and on it goes.
Since this poll has come out and the Directors 104 films I have managed to watch films I hadn't seen and can now say I have watched 97 films of the main poll and 96 films of the Directors poll.
Honestly I’ve seen every film on the list and there’s only 20 that I’d say didn’t deserve to be on there and there’s only 2 that are flat out bad. It’s not a bad list in all fairness, and there’s no point in saying what should and shouldn’t be on there because just like with every film list, it’s entirely subjective.
I also watched 'Jeanne Dielmann' because of this list. I hated every moment of it. I would also like for someone to explain it's "influence" on cinema. I just can't see how any of that film has influenced films to come.
It had a huge influence on art cinema since it’s release. It’s an early example of post-modern feminist film, and is one of the most lauded examples of slow cinema. It takes its slow methodical pace to explore the oppressive nature of feminine environments and a lack of autonomy. I’d recommend that you read some of the academic writings on this important film!
@@iansmart4158 If You Have to Read the "academic Writings" On a Film To Understand said film On even the most basic of levels....... the Film did not do its job.... I'm sorry.... But this is a perfect example of "Pretentious Art". I Can absolutely Respect it for being Unique, But Given that Nothing specific in that Film has been Replicated in Many, if any Future Films, Screams While it Was certainly unique it was Not "Influential". Mind you that's not to say Influential Necessary equates to quality.... but that's a whole other conversation. Though Perhaps There are Dozens of "Copys" out there Imitating its Pacing, Tone and Style That I'm not aware of.
@@Chrisrd75 It is indeed pretentious and desperate, people just can't admit to themselves these movies prey on their insecurities regarding their intellect. To revere something which give you nothing in return for the praise other than 3 hours of pain is an abusive relationship. It's influentiality is less visible than something like Star Wars, Saw, Metropolis or Harry Potter because it's influence is so much less than those (and countless other) movies but we must feel smart and sophisticated, it's why every argument you ever have feels like the person is trying to prove you wrong more than anything else, this comes from the same place, ego.
@@Chrisrd75 what the film is doing is obvious when you see it. But if a good time at the movies for you is ARMAGEDDON and COLLATERAL it’s likely JD will not work for you. Or a lot of Akermans early work. EDIT: also also, it’s not often we as audiences go to a films level. Usually we ask movies to meet us where we’re at. But I think it’s important to occasionally do our best to invest energy into engaging with art, experiences, or ppl who we don’t usually vibe with. It grows our palettes and makes us more capable of tackling difficult ideas or points of view. JD is not even my cup of tea but I’ve watched movies like it because I don’t want to just stay in my bubble. I want to see what all film can be when allowed to explore! Obviously, no one has to invest the time, but the writing helps contextualize the experience. Even in these comments I see ppl complain about the oppressively slow pace of the film. And ONE, They prolly don’t have any experience with Slow Cinema (the categorization not just a movie that’s slow) and don’t have a frame of reference for how and why such a slow pace is used, and TWO they aren’t keying into why or how that pace is impacting theme. A film can be pretentious for sure but pretension in this case tends to mean “a movie that is trying to be different instead of just telling a good story” which is silly. There’s all manor of how cinema can behave and acting as if using that pace to put the viewer in the mind of house monotonous JDs experience is by making the film in a similar fashion is wrong is just too limiting for what the scope Of cinema should be. And if you look at Euro-art cinema (where it has existed as an influence for decades) it has had a major impact! And those influences bleed over here into the west. I don’t think we get a JANE CAMPION or KELLY REICHARDT or JOE SOLOWAY without JD. I don’t think we get the American wave of new queer indie cinema in the 90s if not for the work of Akerman. What films like JD show us is the total scope of cinema. That a film can be that way and still have substantial artistic method. Is JD the greatest film ever, that’s for the individual to decide. Is it an important text of feminist cinema, absolutely. I’d still recommend reading up on that influence. And here’s just a few modern flix that are definitely tied to that influence: THE POWER OF THE DOG CERTAIN WOMEN UNCLE KENT (or most Swanberg films from that era) MOONLIGHT and BEALE STREET There’s more I’m sure. But again, so much great critical analysis by ppl much smarter than me has been written about this movie. I’d recommend to read some of that and give the movie a go yourself. Everything is worth a try at least once, right?
I loved this video and found your take to be incredibly spot on. While I might not agree with all of your top 10 list I can understand, appreciate and respect it. And I always enjoy hearing your take on anything related to tv and movies! Thanks for doing what you do 🙂
I find it somewhat Ironic that In their Attempt to "Fight against Orthodoxy" All they have done is Created a New Type of Orthodox. I honestly Don't believe For a Moment that Jeanne Dielman Is the "Greatest Film of all time" But Instead its the Film that Some Bizar Collective has Perceived as the "Correct Answer". Let's be Honest...... The Princess Bride is probably the best Movie ever Made.... ;)
@@laurenmasters Admittedly I haven't seen it yet. But it is possible that for women in film (critics and those in the industry) find it an important film to them. With the stated goal of being more inclusive in their voting body, and the relatively limited films directed by women, maybe this is one of them they genuinely rally around.
@@patrickmalarkey2292 I don't think its Necessary "Let's Pick a Woman" But More of "let's pick an Obscure Movie that most People won't enjoy Probably even understand To make ourselves seem Sophisticated and intelligent" I expect that it is Created by a woman is just the cherry on top. we see this thing in most artistic Indesterys. its Very much a "Oh You Just don't UNDERSTAND it, But I do because I'm so Smart" Kind of Film. When in reality its a Very Experimental piece that Try some very Unique Filmmaking Techniques that while unique don't equate to "Good". There is a reason that This Particular Movie has never been Wildly replicated....
As always, great watch. Dan is about the only person who can make a video about something like this and make a lot of great observations in a way that provokes thought while not being confrontational. That being said, I VEHEMENTLY disagree with the philosophy behind this poll. You can’t just keep running an experiment until it gets you the result you wanted, and I think this poll isn’t any different. It’s a definite skewed sample, especially when you consider the potential backlash (Ty West) for not backing what I would consider a new orthodoxy. Granted you could argue it was skewed before, but to act as though it’s only a problem when it’s white and male is dishonest. It also depreciates the art itself, reducing them to mere figureheads that represent a manufactured narrative about film. To see something like The Godfather or Easy Rider reduced to “white, classist” films that are not deserving of inclusion just rubs me the wrong way. And in regards to the new #1, it is more classicist and unapproachable than ever as an experimental film, and while the idea is interesting in terms of art, the film itself is reduced to a talking point; a new champion of diversity rather than judging the film as Dan did, on its own merit.
It is not nearly as experimental as this video tries to make it, it's a slice of life movie that might be difficult for the tiktok brains, but anyone with a normal attention span will get lost in it. We are talking about Jean Dilman, not ORG or Unheimlich or other similar movies here for which I would understand arguments of them being unapproachable by a general audience.
Dan, you are amazing. Thanks for putting together this video & opening my eyes to something that I knew nothing about! I'll have to find this & check out as many movies as I can. And lastly, there was a portion when talking about top 10's is EXACTLY why I haven't come up with a top 10. [I think everyone here can sympathize with what I'm about to say] It is *VERY DIFFICULT* to narrow down a list of movies as there could be several number ones depending on mood & criteria. It's just difficult. Great video! Always appreciate you!
Honestly, I think it would help a lot in "shaking up the status quo" if more of the people who vote on these lists were open to watching movies that are outside the "usual" canon. At least from how I see it, the main reason there's not more variation is that most of the people who put the lists together lack the curiosity to move on from the "classics" - watch subtitled movies, animated movies, non-American movies, movies by female directors, etc. And so, they're simply not familiar with them. As your example of Jeanne Dielman shows, if more of these movies were available and they were promo'd more, more people would watch them, and they would get on more of these lists. But as long as they keep being buried under really conservative, old-fashioned "classics" they're not going to receive enough attention.
Personally, I don’t remember all the thousands of films I’ve seen, first thing I’d have to do to write a list is to go to a bunch of websites which lists the best films of all time… which would bias me to existing lists.
I... agree. It's interesting though that videos that talk about this focus so much on the critics list and not the director's one. They're both equally valuable in my eyes tbh.
The critics' list is generally regarded as the 'real' one, with the directors as a supplement. Sight & Sound has always treated it as such. I'm with you, I think the directors list has as much merit and would be equal to the critics if it had been part of the poll since the beginning.
The point of these polls should be to encourage people to check out new films that they otherwise shouldn’t have seen. Dan wouldn’t have had this experience if he hadn’t seen the poll.
That's probably more useful than always looking for 'greatest' - they should just call it something different like significant, overlooked, influential or something like that.
@@DanMurrellMoviesWell, as you have pointed out: what we consider “the greatest” is subjective, so why view the list as an authoritative judgement of quality? That is, an institution telling you these are greatest films is not an end-all-be-all stamp on film history. It’s like Rotten Tomatoes - an aggregation of opinions. It’s a useful guide for discovering new movies. The fact that you watched the #1 movie and pay attention to how the ranking changes over time makes me think the list has served its purpose.
Dan, I'm glad you made this video. I've followed the Sight and Sound Poll for decades because I used it as a criteria as what is a great film. It led me to some of my favorite films, like my all time favorite: 8 1/2. I was looking forward to the 2022 results only to see Jeanne Dielmann as number one. I've never heard of it. However, I did watch it on HBO Max. Wow, what a terrible movie. I can't believe people like this movie. The oppressive running time ruins what message or greatness the movie may have. It should be viewed in films schools only to demonstrate how editing (or lack of) can make or ruin a movie. If S&S was looking for more inclusion, there are lots of other movies directed by women that are actually great. I won't look to S&S to recommend movies for me to watch.
Anyone who pretends that watching a woman stand around in the kitchen for 3 hours is somehow the greatest movie experience ever meanwhile Lawrence of Arabia or any Spielberg movie is not even worthy of a mention loses all credibility in my eyes. I was aware of the S&S lists and used them as a starting point when I was exploring classic film. Seeing their quotes made me lose all respect for them however. They don't like the outcome so they keep manipulating and influencing the voting body until they are happy with the results. At that point they might as well just cancel the poll and just publish their own list. Not that anyone asked, but here's my top 10: The General (1927) Casablanca (1942) Rear Window (1954) The Leopard (1963) Once Upon a Time in the West (1968) The Godfather (1972) Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977) Aliens (1986) Pulp Fiction (1994) The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
@@vodkatonyq I'm a random dude, what credibility do I need? "Most of this list is very bro". Ah yeah, me and my bros hang around all weekend watching Buster Keaton silent movies, 60 year old Italian movies and 80 year old romantic classics... Give me a break.
I’d like for the 2032 list to included ranked voting. Rather than picking a random list of 10 and just hobble together which films got on the list the most.
Dan is my favorite critic because I find him to be consistently intellectually honest. Thank you, Dan. I'm sure we could disagree about a number of things, but we would do it in a constructive manner.
That's the important thing - art is often about disagreement, but it should always be in a constructive manner. A real discourse.
He is more a reviewer than a critic. He almost never justifies his impressions beyond his taste.
I just want to say that Dan is the only person that can make me sit 30 min and watch a video on a poll I never knew existed. 💪🏽 And on movies I have no interest in ever seeing. But like he said, isn’t that the purpose of art? It’s your relationship to it, not anyone else’s. I did expect Jaws to be in his list. He might still be upset at the teenagers! 🤣
I would recommend watching some of the films on this list. It's a good way to find new experiences and see what this art form has to offer besides what you already know.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@timonsteup2877 I know, I know. I just know me and I know that I’m gonna be half way through this lady waiting in a bank line and be like “what am I doing with my life?” And go and watch Die Hard for the 150th time. 🤦🏽♂️
@@reignofjerm Well they are not all like that 🤣
I was born in 1990 . My favorite films as follows
Network
Paris texas
Alice in the cities
Raging bull
Vertigo
Chinatown
In a lonely place
Leave her to heaven
Imitation of life
The godfather
The seven samurai
Back to the future
Jaws .
More than ten but whatever i adore those movies
Some of my favourite movies would be considered 'safe picks' like Dr Strangelove or 12 Angry Men.
But then Galaxy Quest and Uncle Buck are some of the best times i've had watching a film.
Critics' lists are more of a guide to well made films you might enjoy.
Hell yeah I just watched Citizen Kane last week and it is surely one of the most influential movie of all time, but nothing can beat the feeling of watching Rush Hour when I was young 😂
I know twitter has dumb controversies all the time, and this one regarding director's top ten lists didn't disappoint. Pretty much 100% agree with what you said.
Someone's top ten is obviously and should always be personal, and that includes how they want to define the task of compiling a top ten list.
Dan hit on something great. While overall we can all agree that some films are great, our personal top 10 should be personal and therefore wildly different and beyond criticism.
I'd love to see if they did two lists. First list of what you think are the top ten films ever, and a second list asking what are your personal favorite/enjoyable films.
I know my answers would be very different. Some films are amazing and influential (like 2001) but I'd much rather rewatch Jurassic Park, and I think my most watched film is Pocco Rosso.
A most enjoyable film list would be nice for sure, but I think I would trust regular people more than I would trust critics to list the films they most enjoy without being influenced by what they think they should say.
My toddler really likes Porco Rosso. Fun movie.
Top 10 lists should be personal AND universal.
I agree. The IMDb 250 is actually a really great list for that.
It's hard to argue against Citizen Kane on a technical and cultural level, but it's not a movie I'd throw on for fun. Jurassic Park, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the King are all in that category and, not as a coincidence, ranked high on the IMDb list
I am confident more than “3 of you stuck around” 😊
Thank you for explaining all of what the sight and sound is, as well as why it was buzzing. It had hit my feed and I had NO idea what it was or why
As a French person Dan’s pronunciation of “beau travail” made my day.
LOLLLLLL
As a Belgian person Dan’s pronunciation of Jeanne Dielman made my day 😂
@@thec695 As a fellow Belgian, spotting a fellow Belgian here made my day!
@@thec695 Belgians don’t even have their own language
@@gregbors8364 other than Flemish...
Absolutely LOVED this video, Dan. Great commentary and also great list!
The director's list is more interesting. It also has multiple blockbusters, which I was not expecting.
That was a beautiful Dan Rant!
Thank you.
interested seeing Sight and Sound's opinion of the list throughout the decades
The gist I get is that Sight & Sound are like STAR WARS fans: they say "give us YOUR vision!" and then the turn around and say "Yeah, your vision was wrong!"
Great video, Dan. Love hearing your analysis of film criticism.
This is such an interesting video. Bravo to you for navigating this touchy topic with such a level head and an open mind. What a fascinating analysis, one that is accessible yet in-depth. Thank you for this!
I must say I'm a little torn. While Sight and Sound was consistent in asking for "change and a new mindset", when they didn't get the change they wanted they kept changing things until they did. Is that a genuine result? Maybe we have movies that simply stand the test of time? Thank you for your insight. Always appreciated.
@@mabusestestament I think you might be underestimating each of these movies. Get Out and Parasite do feel like they created a shift in cinema. And Portrait of a Lady On Fire has had a huge backing from countries other than the US. I think there's a good each all three of these are still Top 100 in 2032.
[Natalie Imbruglia would like to know your location]
When it comes down to it if they had kept polling the exact same pool of people and their direction to those people to try to look to new voices and broaden their horizons fell on deaf ears then they had to bring in new people.
@@mabusestestament parasite will go up if anything lol
@@mabusestestament I think even though they all came out so recently they are already seen as modern classics. Especially Parasite, and Portrait.
This is one of the best videos you've made on this channel. Lots of great discussion of how we evaluate art, and why that is very complicated and yet very important.
I tried to make a top 10 list of my own. It's hard because I have only seen a fraction of the movies you or the people from the Sight & Sound poll have seen. So my list is a bit on the basic side, but I think these all at least belong in the conversation. I put mine in alphabetical order too.
12 Angry Men
The Apartment
The Empire Strikes Back
Fantasia
The Fellowship of the Ring
The Godfather
Goodfellas
Groundhog Day
My Neighbor Totoro
Pulp Fiction
You’re absolutely right. Making a list like this in retrospect is silly. Art is subjective. That said, as a film lover and nerd, I love the conversation this list always sparks. For me, I’ve seen some of the films on this list. Some I love, and a couple I don’t particularly care for. That said, I did get something out of all of them. I am looking forward to watching the ones I haven’t seen for that reason alone.
Ti West's list looks like the syllabus for a film class at a community college.
By critics...for critics.
Any top 10 list that includes Aladdin and The Lion King gets an A+ in my book.
Always a lot to go into with these lists. At the very least I’m happy to see some animated films finally make the list. A list of the best films ever made that don’t have at least one animated film always feel a bit incomplete.
The early Disney animations are the most worthy of being on this list.
For me, animation is a separate category. When i made my popular music list, i included EVERYTHING EXCEPT Jazz and Classical which i consider separate categories.
I must say, you're the one person that can transcend his passion through YT in such way. I personally couldn't list my 10 favorites movies of all times because it changes depending on your mood, on your age and also on your memory frankly. But well done talking so well. I really didn't care about this list until I saw your video. And now I'm all worked up and can't wait to see 2032 list! How?! How did you do that!?!?
Of course, a 10 favorite movies of all time is going to depend on everything you listed and will change over time. That doesn't mean that whatever your 10 favorites right this moment is meaningless. And that what the S&S poll does, it captures a moment in time. In 2022, the consensus of these critics and directors are these movies. I think anyone who actually cares about movies should seek out most of these if they haven't seen them already. I've seen every movie on both lists except for one.
Listening to the full video despite not knowing or caring about the S&S Poll: the appeal of a Dan video is real.
My favourite video you've ever made. Also here's to In the Mood for Love getting the #1 spot in 2032!
Great commentary Dan! It reminds me of all those gourmet chef's who preach/practice pretentious cuisine while secretly harboring Cheese Whiz in the back of their refrigerators.
100% people should be able to choose the 10 films they appreciate the most. For some that might be all foreign language films. For others, all western language films. For some, all gay cinema. It's up to the Sight & Sound selectors to make sure the people being polled are diverse, not the people themselves to try to pick a diverse list for the sake of it. That would lead to dishonest lists, which would be worthless
This video is one of those conversations we didn't know we needed, but I'm sure as hell Dan felt the urgency to let out.
I urge you guys/ gals/ NBs to give these films a chance. I was surprised at how much I fell in love with golden age Hollywood and of course independent films always struck a chord with me but the 70s is probably the greatest decade in film history so give those a shot. Every decade has a different thing to offer so go out there and experience these snapshots of time. It’s amazing and although you won’t love all of them I think you’ll be surprised at how much is worth watching. I was shocked at how much I loved Hitchcock, I never thought he’d be one of my favorites. Paul Newmans catalogue is magnetic and Cary Grant has become one of my favorite Hollywood stars. If you want something to leave you shocked and confused give David Lynch a chance to leave you stupefied. He’s a goat imo.
I agree with your respect for 1970s cinema in regards to *American* (US) filmmaking given that was the height of the American New Wave/New Hollywood movement, where the money, power, and infrastructure of major Hollywood studios were used under relatively unparalleled creative freedom by the first generation of college/film school-educated auteurs (e.g. Martin Scorsese, Steven Spielberg, William Friedkin, George Lucas, Francis Ford Coppola, Brian de Palma). Other national film cultures experienced auteur-driven, reactionary movements at different times (e.g. Parallel Cinema in India, the French New Wave, etc.).
Great video Dan! I've been obsessed with the S&S poll since I first heard of it in Roger Ebert's Home Video Companion as a kid in the 80s. Minor correction - Sunrise dropped to #11 in this year's poll, not 33(think you were looking at it's ranking in the directors poll)
I loved Ebert's personal top 10 that he submitted to Sight and Sound. I watched all 10 films he nominated and enjoyed all of them.
I never knew about this poll before, but now that I do, I definitely want to look for it in the future. Thanks Dan for taking the time to talk about this!
I found it interesting that under top 10 movie categories there was one for "gangster films" but not horror.
Shout out to you, Dan, for being one of the most level-headed critics on the Internet. I always appreciate your perspective!
lol. So The Seventh Seal isn't as great as Get Out? Sight and Sound has blown what little credibility they had left.
Adding up how diverse a list is has little to do with the qualities of the films. If the first 80 years of cinema were almost completely dominated by male directors it strikes me as strange that there could be possibly be enough time yet to make any substantial parity in the quantity or quality of films made by women. Sight and Sound has obviously leaned against the idea of there being any canon whatsoever. The IMDb Top 100 for all of it's faults, and there are many, strikes me as being a bit closer to the truth.
Hmm... two things I think about when rankings (including my own) come out:
1. Not many rankings, and NO GOAT rankings (FFS - how does anyone say X is forever the greatest?! What, nothing will come out in the future that will push it down the list? NOTHING?!) survive a second look. There are just too many amazing films in too many genres, with too many outstanding performances, exploring too many important subjects and/or themes, etc., etc., to choose from. You're forever going, "Damn, I forgot all about that flick. It was [insert superlative here]!"
2. These lists are always bound by the time they came out, they are AWLAYS 'OF THIS TIME'. They are also ALWAYS bound by the expressed and implicit bias (intended and unintended) of the list creators' chosen criteria, and of the chosen contributors. And this does have a value. While I don't think this was necessarily Dan's intention, I now want to explore all the Sight and Sound lists just to see how the cool kids' thinking has changed over the years.
One more thing - there can be no more an orthodox institution than the British Film Institute (And AMPAS, the AFI, and others of their "class".) and no more orthodox an activity than taking it upon themselves to define the "film canon".
Yeah, "if the list is compiled of white men it is of all time, because then the selection is not biased, but if it's not it's of this time and it is biased" might be one of the more insane things I have heard in a while.
@@1998Cebola 🤣 yup!
Haven't commented in a while but I just had to jump in here. I fully agree with your points Dan. Into every movie I go into I have an open mind and hope to get the best out of it. These lists should serve as healthy film discussion and I hate to see people being criticised for their film opinions.
A fascinating discussion. Representing all viewpoints cannot be the task of one individual... it is the reason we must open up the list to as many individuals as possible.
As a French person, I can say that your pronunciation is adorable 🙂 Keep up the good work!
Right back atcha! Thank you!
I love seeing a deep dive into a topic like this. There is so much history and nuance that colours this conversation. Broad assessments of whether the list is "good" or "bad" are far less interesting than the patterns, rules, and behaviours that shape what the list is and how it has changed over time.
The best video I've seen about the poll. Awesome video, you just earned a sub!
could've done without the Jeanne Dielman spoilers but great video
This was fascinating, thank you!
I only have two movie I would call my alltime-favourites (so far). Donnie Darko and Call me by your name.
Jeanne Dielman is definitely worth seeing. But Vertigo is still my choice
This the one of the best videos I’ve ever seen. Imagine telling someone that they HAVE to like a movie
The punishment should fit the crime… All critics who displaced Vertigo and Citizen Kane should be forced to sit through Jeanne Dielman- no bathroom breaks, and no napping.
Twice, to make sure they didn't miss anything.
They wouldn’t mind because they’re critics who enjoy great works of art. I’ve seen it before and it’s a masterpiece. You’re actually making me wanna watch it again :)
Christmas came a week early! Been waiting for this video.
Great video Dan!
Looking like a new camera, if so I love it!
Great commentary! I'm one of the three people who watched to the end. Glad to see Fury Road on your personal top 10. :-)
I think it’s good to make a list,it gives you an idea of other films you may never thought of watching,and try to get to watch them if time,money,opportunity ect allow.”Shaking up the tree” is good.Keep doing it
Thank you for your thoughtful, informative commentary and sharing your love of film Dan! I absolutely love your Top Ten list!
Well said. Thank you.
I always find the director top 10s more interesting and indicative of the canon than the 100 list itself.
Great rant. I would try to include my favorites along with the films I consider the greatest….the second would be somewhat different from the first.
This was a great rundown of the poll(s) and the factors driving the results. There's a lot of "stop the steal" hysteria going about, and it's refreshing to get your broad perspective and incisive insights. The only thing I'd add regarding Jeanne Dielman is that, with Akerman, there's one "clear" choice for a film to include. As with Welles, producing a blazing masterpiece at the tender age of 25 tended to obscure the rest of her impressive output (no more so than with her follow-up, Les Rendez-vous d'Anna). With directors like Hitchcock there are many competing for a place. The same goes for Bresson, and I always like to say that with Jeanne Dielman Akerman out-Bressons Bresson.
My own alphabetical list would also skew more modern: All About My Mother (1999, Pedro Amadóvar); Annie Hall (1977, Woody Allen); Carol (2015, Todd Haynes); Cléo from 5 to 7 (1962, Agnès Varda); The Green Ray (1986, Éric Rohmer); Household Saints (1993, Nancy Savoca); Jules and Jim (1962, François Truffaut); Long Day's Journey Into Night (2019, Bi Gan); Portrait of a Lady on Fire (2019, Céline Sciamma); and Les Rendez-Vous d'Anna (1978, Chantal Akerman). I thoroughly believe that there's room on every list for something completely idiosyncratic and off-the-way like Household Saints, although I have solid artistic reasons as well for ranking it.
I happen to big a big Akerman fan: my covid project was working through the entire filmography of Varda, Akerman, Denis, Sciamma, and (Mati) Diop. Akerman is best appreciated for the totality of her work, so intriguing are the crosscurrents of themes, preoccupations, and techniques across her catalogue. At first, her formalism makes her hard to approach and even intimidating, but then the viewer finds oneself in an ongoing relationship with a bracing creative mind.
An interesting tidbit for you: In 1978 the famous journal for French film bros, Les Cahiers du Cinéma, began writing about popular American movies for the first time since the 1950s. It published reviews and an appreciation of the new release, Jaws ... in the same issue where Jeanne Dielman was reviewed!
Great video Dan! Really enjoyed the analysis and breakdown of the history of the poll.
This is a greasy breakdown of the list. Thank you Dan!
Three of us? 🤣🤣🤣 Way to underestimate how much we really enjoy your content, whatever it is you decide to talk about.
Great, great video Dan.
One thing that I have always had a difficult time reconciling is the greatness of a film (in terms of technical and cultural merit) and audience enjoyment of said film.
For example, 2001: A Space Odyssey is an amazingly MADE film...and I hate it. I have watched it 3 times and I just do not get the appeal. It is a good film that I find boring and contentious.
I consider myself as someone with sophisticated film viewing habits (I love the Criterion Collection) and I was a film student at one time. I have seen and loved M, Bicycle Thieves, The Rules of the Game, etc...and I own and enjoy all of them.
However, some of my favorite films include: Shawshank Redemption, Excalibur, and The Crow.
I guess my point is: the greatest films need to be technical and cultural achievements AND are enjoyable to watch.
This is the first time I have heard of Jeanne Dielman. I looked it up and everything I have read makes it sound like a miserable slog to get through.
Good discussion; I personally liked 2001 but it's because during my watch I tried to put myself in the role of the characters. What if I was trapped in space and a sentient A.I. was capable of reading my mouth movements? If you try to place yourself in the situation sometimes it helps. I agree though, at times there was too much time spent on slow moving planning shots and it felt like it was taking forever. I understand why folks hate it, my husband was the same way.
I think a film's success is if they did anything technically great and if it's well remembered in 5 years or so after it released. To me a strong film needs staying power even if its remembered in a negative light as long as its remembered or quoted by people. I liked your outlook too though. It does help if the vast majority of an audience enjoyed said film and not just give it adoration for its technology etc.
If you leave tiktok for a while maybe you'll get a normal attention span again. 2001 is pure spectacle, it being here shows that Hollywood blockbuster moviemaking is still severly over valued.
@@1998Cebola You don't need to be nasty simply because someone has a different opinion than you.
And this is why the IMDb Top 250 list is the only list you should care about when figuring out what to put on. It's a consensus of what normal people like and that's how you get Shawshank, The Dark Knight and Lord of the Rings, all movies I'd much rather watch than 2001 or Jeanne Bielman
@@mabusestestament See...I love Schindler's List. I have seen it like 4-5 times. It is well-paced, a great lead character, beautifully shot, and even has moments of levity. And that ending!
It might be a difficult watch. However, it is an uplifting movie about hope and humanity. I would definitely consider it entertaining.
This was fascinating I had no idea about any of this and I consider myself a huge movie dork.
I can live with Mulholland Drive as 7. It's my favorite of all time.
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I did not know anything about this poll before this video, so thank you for explaining and giving some background on it. I also really appreciate your points about the subjectivity of art, and that people's personal top ten lists will be subjective. I can't stand when people feel obligated to name certain things as their favorite just to appease the public's opinion on a what a top ten list should be.
You made my heart miss a beat when you said "Bicycle Thief with Charlie Chaplin". Yes you did. Or at least you said those words in that order :)
I learn a lot through this video. Thank U very much!!!
My personal top 10 vs my Sight and Sound top 10 cause the qualifications are different.
My personal Top 10 are
10. Wizard of Oz
09. Rocky
08. Do the Right Thing
07. Forrest Gump
06. The Godfather
05. Citizen Kane
04. Boyhood
03. 2001 a Space Odyssey
02. Eraserhead
01. Pulp Fiction
Great video! Would love to see a follow up now that the full 250 is out
This was a great commentary, Dan; both well-considered and passionate. Thanks for mentioning the evolution of the Sight & Sound Poll as well as the changes to how it was conducted. There is a lot to consider but, in the end, this list reflects the times we are living in and especially how art and politics mix. That said, there will be some well-deserved attention to movies that have, otherwise, not languished. Discussion is fruitful but criticism towards the tastes of others is reductive. By the way, I thought your own Top 10 List was pretty solid. Keep up the sterling work!
This is a very intelligent look at the survey and I finally learned how the votes are counted. Since Renoir is a big fav of mine I was saddened to see his two masterpieces fall so far. But my biggest grouse is Sunrise falling from #5 to #33. I almost cant believe this Sunrise is a stone cold masterpiece, the crowning achievement of the silent era and just the most visually and emotionally sublime film, maybe ever. I've got a bad feeling that as the number of voters increased so much, many more young voters were added and they just don't have an appreciation for silent films. They go for the latest big thing. This shouldn't be the case but I fear it is.
BTW anyone know if Cahiers Du Cinema is going to publish a new list? I think their last was in 2007 and that time Night of the Hunter at #2 was a BIG shocker.
Thank you Dan.
How old are you sir, may I ask. I think we are dying breed now and our time is counted. It is sad to see youth going this way indeed
@@ashmaterial late 60's. As a director myself I've felt this way since I was in my 30's. In the directors poll, The Searchers fell to #72, can you believe it? My god, and these are film directors. For the record my favorite films are Dr. Mabuse the Gambler, Sunrise, The Rules of the Game, I Walked with a Zombie, The Flowers of St. Francis, The Searchers, Kiss Me Deadly, Touch Of Evil, Vertigo, Jacques Demy's Lola, Shoot the Piano Player, Contempt and Goodfellas. Film noir is my fav genre so I've got 3 on my list.
@@willieluncheonette5843 i feel exactly same and i am in my 30s. i cant imagine what would be in my 60s. and i dont understand the youth today and their hate to silent and old cinema. I just dont understand modern cinema it has lost all its magic. I love sunrise, Rules of Game. Some of my favorites Cabinet of dr. Caligari (1920), Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde 1931, La grande Illusion, All quiet on western front (1930), Third Man, Last year at Marienbad, A man escaped, Ordet, Muchette, Nanook of the North, Bridge on River Kwai, Doctor Zhivago, Lawrence of Arabia, Raging Bull, Stagecoach, Man who shot Liberty Valance. Death by Hanging. They just dont make movies like this anymore and kids nowadays they dont even know this films exist. They just watch their stupid tiktoks and horror movies
@@ashmaterial You named some great films. I guess my favs on your list are La Grande Illusion, A Man Escaped, Muchette, Stagecoach and Liberty Valence. I was once a member of a film noir group and wrote a negative review of The Third Man. Boy did I get it!...lol...I should have worn a flak jacket before I posted it.
I think The Searchers fell some because it has some racist elements in it. I would guess that Touch of Evil fell because white Charlton Heston plays a Mexican. I suspect The General fell because the lead characters are on the side of the Confederacy. I think these are legitimate reasons to criticize these films even though I personally love Touch of Evil and I always considered The General overrated. There's the old adage that art has to stand the test of time, and as times and standards change, some art will fall by the wayside.
Inspired by Dan's decision to "put skin in the game," allow me - as my local university newspaper's resident film critic - to toss out my personal Top 10 ever made (not including four of my all-time favorites, two of which would take the top spot: The Social Network, and the 2013 rendition of The Great Gatsby). Listed in alphabetical order (not including articles):
The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (Wiene)
The Great Hack (Amer, Noujaim)
Loving Vincent (Kobiela, Welchman)
The Prince of Egypt (Chapman, Hickner, Wells)
Rocky (Avildsen)
Seven Samurai (Kurosawa)
Spider-Man: Into The Spiderverse (Persichetti, Ramsey, Rothman)
The Ten Commandments (DeMille)
Waltz With Bashir (Folman)
Wolf Children (Hosoda)
And as Dan said, these very well could change if you were to ask me again in a week or two!
Loving Vincent was such a beautiful film. I loved how they brought those paintings to life in the animation.
@@scarlettmi Indeed; I consider it one of the ten greatest films ever made not just because of the painstaking effort it took to make (14,000+ unique paintings), but because of the fruitful effort it blossomed into - a Citizen Kane-esque story about the final days of an artist in unknowable pain, using that very pain to fuel a gorgeous legacy of artwork and motivation for more of that artwork from the hands of students centuries apart from him.
As someone who primarily watches animated films your picks on that front are top notch.
I would add Chinatown to that list
I wholeheartedly agree with putting The Prince of Egypt on this list!! Brava! 👏🏾
Loved the detail breakdown, Dan!
Hey Dan, Honest Question:
Every year hundreds of movies are produced, and yet Citizen Kane is still the greatest movie of all time….despite years of advancement in cinematography, editing, sound, and the more complex and enriching s scripts of today, older movies are still and always considered “the best”
Are movies getting better, worse, or are we just too nostalgic to say something is better than Citizen Kane?
People say Citizen Kane because they feel they have to. Nobody is sitting down on a rainy Sunday afternoon and watching Citizen Kane.
The way I've heard it described is that Citizen Kane was absolutely revolutionary for its time in the techniques not just that it used, but that it created. The same way that Jurassic Park was the first to seamlessly use CGI and practical effects, Jaws was the first "summer blockbuster". We tend to immortalize the "firsts". Newer audiences have a hard time conceptualizing the impact of these things because we now see them all the time, but critics and 'cinephiles' have a more intellectual understanding of their lasting impacts. Personally I find Citizen Kane agonizingly dull, but I can concede that it was a huge step forward in movie making. But to Dan's point, it's hard to define what the word "best" means. Because it's subjective and can have a multitude of different criteria.
Full disclosure, I actually do love Citizen Kane on it's own terms. But similar to another answer, it was so ahead of it's time that it gets extra credit. Similar to sports. For as great as Babe Ruth was, he wasn't facing the kind of stuff pitchers can throw today. There's no reason to think he would put up anything similar to the numbers today that he did then. But you can only judge them based on their era and he was so far ahead of everyone of his time, that he belongs in the "Greatest of All Time" conversations.
@@patrickmalarkey2292 Very Well said, Sir.
What makes a movie "great" isn't just how enjoyable it is, but how important it is. Citizen Kane is maybe the most influential film of all time. It's a great movie on its own terms (as in, the story is timeless) and it practically created modern cinematography and camera work. No film has topped it because we've become so technically proficient that there's less room for innovation. And movies that are technically innovative, like Avatar, aren't always great stories that stand the test of time
Dan's list would put a Sight & Sound editor on suicide watch.
And I want to see Dan add "Jaws," which is a fantastic, impactful and incredibly entertaining film that deserves "Greatest" status.
God, I love the internet sometimes. You just can't win with some people on here, so there is no point in trying to do stuff that appeases the masses or the smaller because you're gonna get crap, no matter what. So best to be 100% honest about those feelings and take what comes the way.
For a few years I worked a couple blocks from an avant-garde video store that carried a lot of movies like this, and would get things because they recommended them (particularly in French because I am close to fluent). Until now I was unaware of the existence of this movie. Doesn't mean they didn't have it. But maybe they didn't want to recommend a 3-hour movie whose premise and conclusion were easily guessable before I read any of the descriptions...
Please as someone who first watched Jeanne Dielman and hated it, give it another chance, it significantly amazes on a rewatch and geniuely becomes one of the most hypnotising films you'll ever see, once you know where the film was going and its pacing, what its all about what a second rewatch offers you is to fully breathe in the richness of the film which is more exposed and more meaningful on a second watch, i urge you if you ever feel like watching it a second time please do
I can relate to it,I’m watching it now.Twice though?Bit punishing though,and even my life is more tedious than the main character,unbearable
@@ann-mariepaliukenas19 seriously the second time becomes very hypnotic since there's no longer that aching anticipation of where will the plot or story go etc and what you have is just the experience of watching the film and somehow with that and the knowledge of knowing what happened it all adds up and become something very special. Tbh that's all with Chantal Akerman's films, first time around you like it but also find it exhausting, most often time appreciating more then enjoying but then rewatching comes and suddenly its like something clicked and its magical how engaged you become.
I’ve only seen it once and loved it but I’ll definitely watch it again someday
Excellent commentary and well-articulated thoughts, as always!
Amazing stuff Dan. But a bit disappointed you wouldn't put your personal #1 in your top 10 list.
I love the phrase "The wrongs of the past" - some critics were asked to list ten films they love, and then they did. There are no wrongs there, and there should be no wrong answers. As soon as one starts thinking about what others will think about your list, rather than what ten films do I love above all others, the list is meaningless.
Should Sight and Sound actively seek out a list that is representative? Sure, why not. Should they add unqualified people to the list to make up the numbers? No. That said, I have no reason to think that they would have to, only that they shouldn't.
Its also weird that they see the list having some constantcy and get miffed, rather than celebrating the enduring quality of those films, and celebrating the wonder of film, that it can be replayed and enjoyed by subsequent generations.
Thank you Dan for making a great video on this famous list.
BTW I predict Jeanne Dielman will not be #1 in the 2032 ranking. I look at the Directors List as the better ranking.
One of my favorite things to do and read about for decades, i would never think that making favorite movie lists is silly.
I can never seem to decide upon the 10 best color films ive ever seen, but i can do 7 and here they are in order of awesomeness...
#1 - War And Peace - 1967
#2 - Lawrence Of Arabia - 1962
#3 - 2001 A Space 0dyssey - 1968
#4 - Apocalypse Now - 1979
#5 - French Connection - 1971
#6 - North By Northwest - 1959
#7 - Singin In The Rain - 1952
But if i had to decide upon 3 more favorite color films they would probably be...
#8 - Star Wars - 1977
#9 - Jaws - 1975
#10 - Exorcist - 1973
And thats 2 for director William Friedkin.
Heres 3 more strong possibilities...
#8 - Kwaidan - 1964
#9 - Come And See - 1985
10 - Vertigo - 1958
And thats 2 for director Alfred Hitchcock.
Some more powerful contenders...
Ran - 1985, Dersu Uzala - 1975, Rear Window - 1954, Umbrellas Of Cherbourg - 1964, Shane - 1953 and on and on it goes.
Since this poll has come out and the Directors 104 films I have managed to watch films I hadn't seen and can now say I have watched 97 films of the main poll and 96 films of the Directors poll.
Honestly I’ve seen every film on the list and there’s only 20 that I’d say didn’t deserve to be on there and there’s only 2 that are flat out bad. It’s not a bad list in all fairness, and there’s no point in saying what should and shouldn’t be on there because just like with every film list, it’s entirely subjective.
I also watched 'Jeanne Dielmann' because of this list. I hated every moment of it.
I would also like for someone to explain it's "influence" on cinema. I just can't see how any of that film has influenced films to come.
It had a huge influence on art cinema since it’s release.
It’s an early example of post-modern feminist film, and is one of the most lauded examples of slow cinema.
It takes its slow methodical pace to explore the oppressive nature of feminine environments and a lack of autonomy. I’d recommend that you read some of the academic writings on this important film!
@@iansmart4158 If You Have to Read the "academic Writings" On a Film To Understand said film On even the most basic of levels....... the Film did not do its job.... I'm sorry.... But this is a perfect example of "Pretentious Art". I Can absolutely Respect it for being Unique, But Given that Nothing specific in that Film has been Replicated in Many, if any Future Films, Screams While it Was certainly unique it was Not "Influential". Mind you that's not to say Influential Necessary equates to quality.... but that's a whole other conversation.
Though Perhaps There are Dozens of "Copys" out there Imitating its Pacing, Tone and Style That I'm not aware of.
@@Chrisrd75 It is indeed pretentious and desperate, people just can't admit to themselves these movies prey on their insecurities regarding their intellect. To revere something which give you nothing in return for the praise other than 3 hours of pain is an abusive relationship.
It's influentiality is less visible than something like Star Wars, Saw, Metropolis or Harry Potter because it's influence is so much less than those (and countless other) movies but we must feel smart and sophisticated, it's why every argument you ever have feels like the person is trying to prove you wrong more than anything else, this comes from the same place, ego.
@@Chrisrd75 what the film is doing is obvious when you see it. But if a good time at the movies for you is ARMAGEDDON and COLLATERAL it’s likely JD will not work for you. Or a lot of Akermans early work.
EDIT: also also, it’s not often we as audiences go to a films level. Usually we ask movies to meet us where we’re at. But I think it’s important to occasionally do our best to invest energy into engaging with art, experiences, or ppl who we don’t usually vibe with. It grows our palettes and makes us more capable of tackling difficult ideas or points of view. JD is not even my cup of tea but I’ve watched movies like it because I don’t want to just stay in my bubble. I want to see what all film can be when allowed to explore!
Obviously, no one has to invest the time, but the writing helps contextualize the experience.
Even in these comments I see ppl complain about the oppressively slow pace of the film. And ONE, They prolly don’t have any experience with Slow Cinema (the categorization not just a movie that’s slow) and don’t have a frame of reference for how and why such a slow pace is used, and TWO they aren’t keying into why or how that pace is impacting theme.
A film can be pretentious for sure but pretension in this case tends to mean “a movie that is trying to be different instead of just telling a good story” which is silly.
There’s all manor of how cinema can behave and acting as if using that pace to put the viewer in the mind of house monotonous JDs experience is by making the film in a similar fashion is wrong is just too limiting for what the scope Of cinema should be.
And if you look at Euro-art cinema (where it has existed as an influence for decades) it has had a major impact! And those influences bleed over here into the west.
I don’t think we get a JANE CAMPION or KELLY REICHARDT or JOE SOLOWAY without JD. I don’t think we get the American wave of new queer indie cinema in the 90s if not for the work of Akerman.
What films like JD show us is the total scope of cinema. That a film can be that way and still have substantial artistic method.
Is JD the greatest film ever, that’s for the individual to decide. Is it an important text of feminist cinema, absolutely. I’d still recommend reading up on that influence.
And here’s just a few modern flix that are definitely tied to that influence:
THE POWER OF THE DOG
CERTAIN WOMEN
UNCLE KENT (or most Swanberg films from that era)
MOONLIGHT and BEALE STREET
There’s more I’m sure. But again, so much great critical analysis by ppl much smarter than me has been written about this movie. I’d recommend to read some of that and give the movie a go yourself.
Everything is worth a try at least once, right?
@@iansmart4158 JEANNE DIELMAN is kind of a rip-off of the little seen german film WARUM LÄUFT HERR R. AMOK? from 1970.
Oh no. They told Fellini to "get ouuuuuut"
I loved this video and found your take to be incredibly spot on. While I might not agree with all of your top 10 list I can understand, appreciate and respect it. And I always enjoy hearing your take on anything related to tv and movies! Thanks for doing what you do 🙂
great vídeo!! love your thoughts on cinema. truly inspiring
Very interesting and insightful video 👍
I find it somewhat Ironic that In their Attempt to "Fight against Orthodoxy" All they have done is Created a New Type of Orthodox. I honestly Don't believe For a Moment that Jeanne Dielman Is the "Greatest Film of all time" But Instead its the Film that Some Bizar Collective has Perceived as the "Correct Answer". Let's be Honest...... The Princess Bride is probably the best Movie ever Made.... ;)
Yep we all know it was a “let’s pick a woman” cause virtue signal.
As you wish
@@laurenmasters Admittedly I haven't seen it yet. But it is possible that for women in film (critics and those in the industry) find it an important film to them. With the stated goal of being more inclusive in their voting body, and the relatively limited films directed by women, maybe this is one of them they genuinely rally around.
@@patrickmalarkey2292 I don't think its Necessary "Let's Pick a Woman" But More of "let's pick an Obscure Movie that most People won't enjoy Probably even understand To make ourselves seem Sophisticated and intelligent" I expect that it is Created by a woman is just the cherry on top. we see this thing in most artistic Indesterys. its Very much a "Oh You Just don't UNDERSTAND it, But I do because I'm so Smart" Kind of Film. When in reality its a Very Experimental piece that Try some very Unique Filmmaking Techniques that while unique don't equate to "Good". There is a reason that This Particular Movie has never been Wildly replicated....
@@mabusestestament that's an overstatement. There is a lot to analyze about Jeanne Dielman.
As always, great watch. Dan is about the only person who can make a video about something like this and make a lot of great observations in a way that provokes thought while not being confrontational.
That being said, I VEHEMENTLY disagree with the philosophy behind this poll. You can’t just keep running an experiment until it gets you the result you wanted, and I think this poll isn’t any different. It’s a definite skewed sample, especially when you consider the potential backlash (Ty West) for not backing what I would consider a new orthodoxy. Granted you could argue it was skewed before, but to act as though it’s only a problem when it’s white and male is dishonest. It also depreciates the art itself, reducing them to mere figureheads that represent a manufactured narrative about film. To see something like The Godfather or Easy Rider reduced to “white, classist” films that are not deserving of inclusion just rubs me the wrong way. And in regards to the new #1, it is more classicist and unapproachable than ever as an experimental film, and while the idea is interesting in terms of art, the film itself is reduced to a talking point; a new champion of diversity rather than judging the film as Dan did, on its own merit.
It is not nearly as experimental as this video tries to make it, it's a slice of life movie that might be difficult for the tiktok brains, but anyone with a normal attention span will get lost in it. We are talking about Jean Dilman, not ORG or Unheimlich or other similar movies here for which I would understand arguments of them being unapproachable by a general audience.
Dan, you are amazing. Thanks for putting together this video & opening my eyes to something that I knew nothing about!
I'll have to find this & check out as many movies as I can.
And lastly, there was a portion when talking about top 10's is EXACTLY why I haven't come up with a top 10.
[I think everyone here can sympathize with what I'm about to say]
It is *VERY DIFFICULT* to narrow down a list of movies as there could be several number ones depending on mood & criteria. It's just difficult.
Great video! Always appreciate you!
Dan should add a Jaws Check In every Sight and Sound release. In this case it would be "No Jaws?! What the shit!"
Honestly, I think it would help a lot in "shaking up the status quo" if more of the people who vote on these lists were open to watching movies that are outside the "usual" canon. At least from how I see it, the main reason there's not more variation is that most of the people who put the lists together lack the curiosity to move on from the "classics" - watch subtitled movies, animated movies, non-American movies, movies by female directors, etc. And so, they're simply not familiar with them. As your example of Jeanne Dielman shows, if more of these movies were available and they were promo'd more, more people would watch them, and they would get on more of these lists. But as long as they keep being buried under really conservative, old-fashioned "classics" they're not going to receive enough attention.
I like to think that critics and directors are some of the more open-minded and knowledgeable moviegoers out there
Personally, I don’t remember all the thousands of films I’ve seen, first thing I’d have to do to write a list is to go to a bunch of websites which lists the best films of all time… which would bias me to existing lists.
Use letterbox
Wild prediction: Everything Everywhere All at Once will be in the next top 100 a decade from now
I... agree. It's interesting though that videos that talk about this focus so much on the critics list and not the director's one. They're both equally valuable in my eyes tbh.
The critics' list is generally regarded as the 'real' one, with the directors as a supplement. Sight & Sound has always treated it as such. I'm with you, I think the directors list has as much merit and would be equal to the critics if it had been part of the poll since the beginning.
@@DanMurrellMovies Yeah I get you. But in my eyes at least I view them as different, but not necessarily more honest or worthy than the other.
THANK YOU DAN…! ! !
The point of these polls should be to encourage people to check out new films that they otherwise shouldn’t have seen. Dan wouldn’t have had this experience if he hadn’t seen the poll.
That's probably more useful than always looking for 'greatest' - they should just call it something different like significant, overlooked, influential or something like that.
I agree - but it's framed and presented as 'the greatest films of all time.' It's much more useful as an educational tool than a measure of quality.
@@DanMurrellMoviesWell, as you have pointed out: what we consider “the greatest” is subjective, so why view the list as an authoritative judgement of quality? That is, an institution telling you these are greatest films is not an end-all-be-all stamp on film history. It’s like Rotten Tomatoes - an aggregation of opinions. It’s a useful guide for discovering new movies. The fact that you watched the #1 movie and pay attention to how the ranking changes over time makes me think the list has served its purpose.
Dan, I'm glad you made this video. I've followed the Sight and Sound Poll for decades because I used it as a criteria as what is a great film. It led me to some of my favorite films, like my all time favorite: 8 1/2. I was looking forward to the 2022 results only to see Jeanne Dielmann as number one. I've never heard of it. However, I did watch it on HBO Max. Wow, what a terrible movie. I can't believe people like this movie. The oppressive running time ruins what message or greatness the movie may have. It should be viewed in films schools only to demonstrate how editing (or lack of) can make or ruin a movie. If S&S was looking for more inclusion, there are lots of other movies directed by women that are actually great. I won't look to S&S to recommend movies for me to watch.
Please, watch it again.
Dan I’ll love you forever for having Pinocchio on your list. You’re a legend 😃😃
Glad to be one of the three people that stuck around till the end.😅
Anyone who pretends that watching a woman stand around in the kitchen for 3 hours is somehow the greatest movie experience ever meanwhile Lawrence of Arabia or any Spielberg movie is not even worthy of a mention loses all credibility in my eyes.
I was aware of the S&S lists and used them as a starting point when I was exploring classic film. Seeing their quotes made me lose all respect for them however. They don't like the outcome so they keep manipulating and influencing the voting body until they are happy with the results. At that point they might as well just cancel the poll and just publish their own list.
Not that anyone asked, but here's my top 10:
The General (1927)
Casablanca (1942)
Rear Window (1954)
The Leopard (1963)
Once Upon a Time in the West (1968)
The Godfather (1972)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
Aliens (1986)
Pulp Fiction (1994)
The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
and anyone who has Pulp Fiction and Fellowship of the Ring in their Top 10 loses any credibility immediately. Most of this list is very bro.
It’s like nothing I said in this video made any impact…
@@DanMurrellMovies I'm afraid so :D
@@vodkatonyq I'm a random dude, what credibility do I need?
"Most of this list is very bro". Ah yeah, me and my bros hang around all weekend watching Buster Keaton silent movies, 60 year old Italian movies and 80 year old romantic classics... Give me a break.
I was replying to Tony’s comment, not your original post.
I’d like for the 2032 list to included ranked voting. Rather than picking a random list of 10 and just hobble together which films got on the list the most.