Nahida is NOT Rukkhadevata, BUT... | Sun & Moon Pt. 1.9 | Genshin Impact Theory
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- Nahida is NOT Rukkhadevata, BUT... | Sun & Moon Pt. 1.9 | Genshin Impact Theory
Yep...I don't believe Nahida is the same as Rukkhadevata, but they are cut from the same cloth.
Welcome to another Sun & Moon entry! This video will explore Rukkhadevata and Kusanali's relationship, as well as their parallels with a certain God of Time. Not gonna lie, 60% of this video is pure brainrot!
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Hustle and Bustle of Ormos | Genshin Impact
Scorching Outpost | Genshin Impact
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This aged extremely well
Yeah he basically nails it 😂😂
There seems to be a lot of “Sons and Moons” in Genshin:
•Barbatos’ Bard friend and Barbaros
•Guizhong and Zhongli
•Makoto and Ei
It could be argued that even Paimon and the Traveler are another iteration of this Sun and Moon concept where the Traveler’s hair is golden like the sun and Paimon’s hair is a white like the moon, she’s even smaller and can physically orbit the Traveler.
Absolutely. And it became even more apparent that the Traveler's like the Sun and Paimon's like the Moon when the Aranara literally compared each of them to the Sun and Moon respectively! Susssss
@@TheLittleOnionThatCould this also applies to Genshin sister game Honkai, which have several allusions/references/plot points regarding the moon. Even the title of Hoyoverse first ever game is Flyme2themoon.
Ah yes, my favorite Archon: *Barbaros and E*
Not the E
the traveler and paimon have been refered to by the Aranara as sun and moon too, I thought that was interesting.
Revisiting the video. Aged like fine wine, I must say. Well done. I love how at the end of the quest it literally straight up just kills the “Rukkha = Kusa” theory by labeling it as a false tale. It’s so funny.
Really I thought it qas the opposite.
It's stated that nahida is technically another form of Rukka but will grow and become a different being due to different experience.
Essentially saying they are the same but just different due to different fates.
@@rushalias8511 when I mean the “end” of the quest I mean the END END. Like, feasting with everyone end.
Spoilers:
Kusanali is more like the "child" or, with more straightforward terms, the "product" of Rukkhadevata. Rukkhadevata literally stated that she died and created Nahida from the purest branch of Irminsul, which maybe one could take as, at most, Kusanali is "part" of Rukkhadevata that lives on. Saying Kusa is still Rukkha is like cutting off your finger and a person spawns from it, and you're saying "it's me!"
Also, to those that have completed the quest through and through, you know that Traveler is the only person that remembers Rukkhadevata, because they're not from Teyvat, and their memories did not get altered. The new "retelling" is that Kusanali used up her powers 500 years ago, making her lose her wisdom and memories, so the Sages abandoned her. This is literally the story that people who believe Rukkha=Kusa perpetuate, and it's said now, in the game, that this is a false tale, and you, as the Traveler, know the truth.
In other words, history was basically rewritten where people think Kusanali was Rukkhadevata who lost her memories and powers 500 years ago, and you’re the only person that knows this is not true.
Aged like fine wine? Does that mean it got confirmed? Please please make it be comfirmed, I hated the Kusanali is Rukkhadevata theory...
Edit: nvm, I just watched it, I'm soooo happy
@@rushalias8511 did you even watch the video...
Don't know about fine wine. The guy just like any genshin theorist was over stretching. Finding words selectively from 3 languages to confirm his bias isn't fine wine.
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Kusanali being a product of Rukkhadevata was the only thing that he came close to. All those extra analogies stared to overstretch. The story is pretty direct.
To me… I think that Rukkhadevata used up a portion of her original power which caused her to become more childlike but over time she grew a bit and basically when the Cataclysm rolled around, she didn’t have her full power to be able to partially part with it so therefore she used ALL of it to became our little cinnamon roll known as Nahida which the stupid sages completely disregards her 😅😅😅
Also, I love that point about Rukkhadevata potentially becoming a tree! It’s super fitting 😂
This is also my theories
Ashikai also believes/proposed this idea. She basically said the same thing. Something like Rukkadevata used a large portion of her power for the Scarlet King, but still retained most of her memories and was able to tell the sages what happened. Then, in the Cataclysm she used another large sum of power and regressed to the point where her body was essentially restarted. Which would make sense as for why they have the same gnosis and hair and many other things.
that theory is nice but the one he said in the video makes a lot more sense imo. why would she suddenly lose all her memories the second time when she didnt do that at all the first time? it doesnt add up
@@Internextion Simply put, it could be that King Deshret's issue was not as disastrous as the Cataclysm, so Rukka didn't need to use as much energy. She only used enough to regress her form, but not lose her memories. When the Cataclysm came, a much more serious event, she used much more of her power, which made her lose her memories in addition to regressing her form. I've seen this done before in other media, where the amount of memory a character loses depends on how much power they use up.
I just did the archon quest, turns out you are right! In this video you explained that Nahidas birth was like snapping off a tree branch and turning it into a brand new tree. The archon quest explains that perfectly!
I have to admit. This theory slapped me on the face, specially about the memories part. Like everyone else, after seeing the Hermanubis's projection message, assumed that Kusanali and Rhukkadevata were the same people. But after seeing the timeline you showed between the Archon War and Catlacysm, it made me realize that Rhukadevatta used Aranara magic, and thus Kusanali was born; similar design yet zero memory. Mostly, because I like to think that Rhukadevata used to be en Aranara, just like Barbatos used to be an mere Wind spirit.
And if you think about it, that's why Dendro's symbol is a Heart - the opposite of widsom and knowledge. Why not a brain? It's strange. The Geo symbol is a diamond, and is easily associated as mineral, thus connected with rocks. And the answer is simple. Because Dendro represents the leafs and vines that are found connected to the earth, the vines are a parallel of the Ley Lines, the heart that beats within Teyvat, and within the Ley Lines and Irminsul Trees, memories are their main element.
Meaning that's why Rhukadevatta's last message said: *The world (will) forget me.*
And the Aranara Quest's final message is a parallel to Rhukka is: *In the end, the forest will remember.*
Thank you for listening for my brainstorm talk.
Meanwhile the guy that created the dendro logo: I like this design it's nice
Nahida could be an aranara but I doubt that rukka was one since rukka created the forests and the aranara came to them from another world later on
didnt he explain that its possible she simply forgot, but that he doesnt believe thats the case and gave reasoning for a 3rd, entirely separate option?
@@jr-bw1lt maybe she shaped them to be like her or smt, like how in christianity they believe humans were molded after god
"To save the world, please forget me". 🤭
this would explain why the sages weren’t surprised to see her in child form but only disappointed when it turned out that her mind was the one of a child as well. this was so entertaining to watch thank you!!
This is so helpful, thank you for all the work that went into this video!!
Thank you dish, I’m glad you enjoyed it!! 😊
This is literally almost spot on with the recent Archon Quest. Dayummm
here after the archon quest and wow. all i could think ab was this video
i always saw it as kusanali is a reflection of rukha. like a reincarnation. the moon reflects the light of the sun. it does not shine on its own. this shows how kusanali sees herself. Kusanali shows herself as someone who only shines dimly through her continuation of ruhka’s practices.
Makes sense considering Nahida Parallels Theresa Apocalypse. A failed clone of Kallen Kaslana that couldn't age past a certain point but ultimately became more powerful and capable of wielding Judah.
This makes 1000000times more sense than the dude stretching about words in 3 different languages just to confirm his bias lol
@@zkart8038 And yet he was right lmfao istg this community is incredibly stupid
@a bitch named bessie like this comment thread or the video comments in general?
Nahida is a product of Rukkhadevata. She is the same product with a different experience. That's why the greater lord said she can become an even better archon. She is a product that grew from a part of Rukkhadevata (the branch). Nahida compared their contribution or achievements not knowing where she really was from and thinking she was a different entity.
The guy was over stretching the symbolism of the bird into a literal thing..
@a bitch named bessie I like the deeper lore but I like to see where the actual story takes us, rather than the speculations of theorists. Sometimes theorists stretch too far and completely miss symbolism and take things literally.
I think the Statue of the Seven depicts teenage Rukkhadevata after she had used up her power. She mostly likely regressed further into Nahida after the Cataclysm.
I also feel like all the Statues of the 7 represents the Original 7 Archons, some lore theorists said that inazuma's statue is of Makoto not Ei (due to shorter hair braid and other details) and as onion said by the time Rukkha shrinked she was still yet to elected as an Archon reason why its rukkha's statue not nahida. And its definitely Celestia or someone of divine who created this statues not ppl or else the oculus wouldn't have that divine vibe & descriptions.
I agree, its too coincidental that Nahida was found after the cataclysm IIRC
in the aranara quest, the aranaras keep referring to the traveler as golden like the SUN, and paimon as silver like the MOON
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Wasn't there a book about how one of the Moon sisters fell for a traveler? Like maybe fell literally, lol. Maybe this whole game is one giant Samsara!?
@@bluestrider2562 may i know which is it?
@@emimiuj6093 I'm not really sure, maybe "Records of Jueyun" in the game or on a website. There's a ton of books. It's hard to keep track. Although, I was somewhat jesting, irrc the person described in the story by Outlander not Traveler. But basically, its perhaps a Moon Sister falling in love with them.
@@bluestrider2562 if you really think about it it's theorised that venti is a shade of istaroth or something of the sort, because he's referred to as "one of the thousand winds" or "a thread of the thousand winds" and we all know he is linked to istaroth, now look at venti's voice lines especially the "good morning" one (it should be that voice line I can't really remember) Venti says something like: "oh traveler, we meet again... What? You don't remember me?" What if that is foreshadowing to the "giant samsara" maybe Venti just like the traveler and kusanali in the "dream samsara" can remember everything that appens between samsaras thanks to his connection to istaroth
oh my god you were right, rewatched the vid and just amazing how good you are at this!
The fact that you hit it absolutely spot on is amazing.
I just personnally think Rukkha shrinked multiple times 🤷♀️
As the Dendro statue says : "Nothing is new under the sun". Plus, the child version of Rukkha looks a bit taller than Nahida...
When does the statue say that?
I remember seeing this thumbnail and calling you crazy before the archon qeust that explained that Nahida was not Rukudavata ^^". Out of spite I didn't even watch the video cause I didn't want to get angry at somone. Ohhhh bbooy how did the tables turn XD. I am sorry for my predguging thinking hahah. You where completly right and all the thory crafting sounded amazing :o! You made some really good points and now I am just imaging that Istaroth is stuck somewhere and Celestia guarding her T.T Poor her!
For some reason the story of Nahida and Rukudavata also for my feeling parellels Venti and Istaroth. They where once worshiped together. And in Venti's character demo they said something along the lines of: " he is born out of the branches of time' Maybe Venti is just like Nahida and is a clone of Istorath? I have no idea, but it suddenly made me think.
Wonderfull video! Amazingly done with all the thoerie crafting c:
With the theme of "losing your memories its the same as dying" and "existance in tevyat is an endless series of cycles" I think we know what will happen to scaramouche after the battle...
WAIT, I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THIS HAPPENING TO SCARAMOUCHE, THAT'S INSANE. He even says during the trailer something about his endless cycle beginning.
This aged like fine wine too.
The Nahida being like like a branch from the tree coming from Rukedevata part? It was so spot on, oml
I got goosebumps when the part of the branch was true....
Well congrats!
Congrats! That tree example is now canon!
To help prove ur theory about the Homa Bird, When we first met Dunyarzad she tells us a story of a man having a dream and in the dream Rukkhadevata is depicted as A BIRD so this could also be a hint towards the theory
well well, look who was right about Rukkhadevata and Kusanali's relationship
Literally, the moment before I clicked your video I was thinking about how the known Archons deal with erosion. Venti sleeps for centuries at a time, Ei separated her mind from her body and meditates, Zhongli quietly accepts his fate, but Nahida in a way cheated the system by returning to a state devoid of memories. I thought if Nahida can escape erosion in this way then she is essentially immortal like hydras in our real world. Your linking of Istorath to Nahida rang in my mind and turned thoughts that were vague and murky into clear water.
Thank you for the great video you got a new sub.
but you forgot "Reincarnation"
I always believed that Rukkhadevata reincarnated as Kusanali. That's why when Rukkhadevata died in the Archon War, she had already made a backup of herself. That's why the "branch" theory is still possible without the god of Time being involved.
That ending gave me chills!
Random thought: if Rukhadevata became an irminsul tree ... where did the Sacred Sakura seed come from (did Ei literally plant Makoto?)
I personally believe the Sacred Sakura seed is more representative of Makoto's (and Ei's) dream, perhaps given form with the help of Istaroth. Maybe Istaroth is the one who gave Makoto the seed in the first place, but idk
@@TheLittleOnionThatCould it was said that the seed was given by istaroth XD
@@TheLittleOnionThatCould how can Istaroth give a seed when Istaroth is locked up by celestia?
@@xaoz2362 Istaroth is the god or goddess of time. I think she/he reversed time but only herself/himself and met up Makoto and gave Makoto the seed but im not sure if my theory is correct
@@xaoz2362 In the same way that Kusanali could provide aid to her people while being locked up in the Sanctuary of Surasthana, Istaroth could possibly do the same, especially if it does turn out that she is omnipresent. The Akasha system allowed Kusanali a degree of omnipresence, so I don't see why Istaroth wouldn't be able to do the same with the ley lines or via some other method.
OH MY GOD you were totally right about the tree and cloning
HOLY FIREWORKS THAT ENDING GAVE ME MASSIVE GOOSEBUMPS
CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT PATCH YO
Damn dude you were spot on with the tree theory
I always thought that even if Rukkhadevata and Kusanali shared the same physical body, I doubted they were the same person, because Nahida lacking the memories, and more importantly the wisdom, of Rukkhadevata wouldn’t happen if they were the same person.
And if Nahida had Rukkhadevata’s wisdom, her plight of being trapped in a glorified bird cage wouldn’t even happen.
But I did not realize how deep the idea went.
Didn't Guoba lost his memories too and shrunk after he used up all his powers. I think it's the same thing to what happen to Nahida.
@@jellyhaze699 that is a plausible way that it could have happened.
This still doesn’t disprove my idea about Nahida and Rukkhadevata being different people, because Guoba sure as hell isn’t the god he used to be.
He is just a spicy bear now.
Sometimes aranara said, "that is not me in the stories" because eventhough they were included in the past, they could not remember what they did and pass it of as the past or just 'stories'
@@jellyhaze699 but gouba was still able to recognize zhongli / xiao etc ( especially with zhongli at the end of the event )
@@elqtaha9510 okay ? doesn't erase the fact that he lost most of his memories and powers. And he did recognize them but don't remember where, when or how he knew them.
I think it's subtly implied that Nahida is more of a clone/piece of Rukkhadevata than Rukkhadevata herself - if we look more into it. Especially with the lines "World.... Forget me.... ". Like she made Nahida in order to replace her for some reason very likely related to the Irminsul Tree.
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we'll reading with the available leaks it really looks like.... we'll just have to see on patch 3.2 xD
I wonder if the forbidden knowledge was catalyst event that lead to the cataclysm. The Arañara quest could parallel what happened to Rukkha. She sacrificed her memories and used her power to save Sumeru from the effects of the cataclysm and Nahida was born. She’s essentially her own person, who’ll form new memories and become something different. But i’m essence she’s Rukkha but not really lol. The forest remembers we should ask it lol.
I hardly think they’re related since, if I’m not mistaken, the scarlet king had already sacrificed himself by the time the cataclism happened
Dang, you are so smart! Watching this after the new archon quest and you proved everyone wrong, ha.
OMG I JUST CAME BACK FROM THE ARCHON QUEST AND YOU JUST EXPLAINED EVERYTHING CORRECTLY YOUR THEROY WAS 100% ACCURATE OMG ARE U HOYOVERSE'S LORE WRITER?.??ALSO PLS COVER THE NEW INFO WE GOT ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS WORLD VS OUR SIBLING'S
my basic thoughts are that Kusanali and Rukkhadevata ARE the same person in some form- whether the original archon shrunk, or was cloned or something else is still up in the air. However, Kusanali isn’t truly Rukkhadevata anymore; she doesn’t have her memories, experiences or knowledge. Rukkhadevata most likely shrunk once when helping the scarlet king sacrifice himself, and then again during the cataclysm (probably her sacrificing herself). After that she esentially became a blank slate; in all respects, a completely different person. This would explain why their designs are so similar, the statues being the second Rukkhadevata form, and Kusanali seemingly having no knowledge/little power despite being the Dendro Archon.
I also don’t think the sages have any idea that Kusanali was originally Rukkhadevata. They respected the original archon to such a degree that I don’t think they would immediately shun her just because she lost her memories and knowledge through a sacrifice. If they did, then I will punt them across a field.
ALSO ALSO the words we hear from Irminsul: “World forget me…” I think there are a few different ways the blank words can be filled out, with each having some interesting implications:
[The] world [will] forget me…
[I want the] world [to] forget me…
[Will the] world forget me…
[I wnat the] world [to] forget me…
Just some food for thought ;)
anyways great video :D
and most likely it was Rukkhadevata saying "World... Forget me..." before she "died" and became Irminsul, while it was the birth of Kusanali, mostly likely so for those Akademia people who were trying to connect to Irminsul will get the message and finally acknowledge Kusanali, but was Interrupted by Scamamouche's Birth as a god
or Akademia people knew this was Rukkhadevata and as what Kitsune Saigu said "Losing one's Memories is Equivalent to losing one's life", thus Giving her the name Kusanali but them finding out her lacking the power of wisdom worsened the relationship between Kusanali and the Akademia People, leaving her locked up
Well, this aged like milk post-act 5
aged like fine wine
Damn he's right again
I'm pretty sure Hoyo is taking notes from his video
I fr thought I was going crazy with the Homa symbol appearing so much 😂😂 but this was so worth the wait. Near the end when you talked about Istaroth and the dendro archons was crazy now I'm REALLY excited for Kusanalis story quest and hope we get some more hints
No way, you got it right.
I think that Kusanali is from Rukkhadevate but they are not the same. I agree, Memory loss is like death. All of Rukkhadevata is "dead" Her body remains in Kusanali.
If this Theory were to be real, then the leak about the Dendro Archon being the most powerful would make a ton of sense.
I think and hope rukkhadevata is kusanali. Because the original archons who were in archon war till now are venti, zhongli, raiden whose cube bosses are damaged refering to their erosion. In 3.2 we will get dendro cube which also seems to be damaged so it also shows the erosion therefore rukkhadevata being till date which proves kusanali is rukkhadevata. I hope it is right, let's wait for 3.2 release.
yo! I remember watching this before the 3.2 update and now came back because your theory is somewhat correct.
“somewhat”
Summarizing the video😂:
EVERYTHING = SUS = ISTAROTH = BIRD
YEP
You're consistently at connecting dots but also openng up points to discuss and look out for. All these theories have added to my experience of the game, so a big thanks to you, I hope more people check this out, and til Sun & Moon 1.958/2 Days Re:Final RemiX video up next
See a lot of people overlooking the entire Aranyaka questline where you interact with little guys that use their memories as fuel for accomplishing great feats...
I do see the pimon being the god that attacked us theory but if you put it like Nahida it adds a whole other twist. Helping you having forgotten who she was and what she did to the point she isn't even the same person anymore. What what you do. You get your twin torn from you. You get sealed away go through a journey with a new friend who while maybe annoying is someone you go increasingly close to just to find out they're the one that did it to you but even THEY don't remember anymore the mix of feelings you would have. The feelings she would have. It would be like having amnesia then finding out you were this absolutely horrible person.
At the end of the day, it doesnt matter who Nahida was. It matters what she is to us now. Thanks to Mihoyo social engineering experts for attaching us yet to another character through a heart breaking story. I already feel Nahida's banner reaching into my wallet (also called feelings). That is how we know she is the true dendro archon. She is going to pull the greens out of my wallet day 1. That is the real facts of her story right there. In fact, she already did. Also, on that note Cyno and the people of the desert including all the vision holders now believe in her.
So I saw another video that related the similarities between Paimon and istaroth/the moon sisters.
Especially since Paimons time change in the menu, and she can’t remember her past.
Kind of like Rukkhadevata and Nahida.
I can’t wait to see how this all plays out in the end. I love all the lore
Here are 3 things that are concerning me:
- Gods expend a massive amount of power and become smaller (eg: Gouba), so for what reason did Rukkhadevata use up her power for during the Cataclysm?
- I believe Istaroth to also have used up her power for some reason and then disappeared (no one questioned it, not even Venti whom she was closely associated with) and the same question. For what reason?
- We know that Rukkhadevata is said to have been born from the Irminsul Tree itself. The Irminsul Tree contains the entire history of teyvat but we don't know the start of it. We don't know if the Primordial One had anything to do with Irminsul Tree since I don't think the book Sun and Moon mentioned about it. Celestia seemed heavily against anyone learning about things from the Sun and Moon which contains the world's history, the reason why Orobashi was killed after he read the book. So if the Irminsul Tree recorded what happened including what happened with the Primordial One and if Rukkhadevata did have access to those memories, why did Celestia let her off with it?
Also, thank you so much for touching about Istaroth, Paimon and the 3 figures in the Genshin Manga. Those are the exact reasons about my theory that I'll mention.
I find it hard to believe that the Primordial One and his 4 shades could lose to the 2nd Who Came, especially since they even defeated the 7 sovereigns and are capable of creating life itself.
The only possible way that I think Phanes (The Primordial One) could lose is that his shades betrayed and went against him.
The people of Enkanomiya prayed for the Gods to help them to fight off the Vishaps. But only Istaroth arrived to help them.
Leaving "3" shades on the surface with Phanes.
The battle pass cutscene mentioned that the 1st heir was tricked and became the queen of the kingdom of darkness.
I believe the 1st heir is the 2nd Who Came and is now the sustainer of heavenly principles.
She might've been an innocent person (for all we know) and tried to take the Genesis Pearl from Teyvat (they never mentioned anything about a Genesis Pearl in the game other than the Genesis Crystal so I wonder if it's a metaphor), but she was tricked by the 3 shades into becoming the ruler of Teyvat with their help.
If we assume that the 4 shades of Phanes had the same level of power as him or equally divided power (1/4 each) at least, then it's possible for the Primordial One to lose especially since Istaroth was not there.
After he lost, the 3 shades and the 2nd Who Came became the rulers of Teyvat who are now Celestia.
The 3 figures which Venti flashbacks to, in the manga, might be the 3 shades.
As for Istaroth, I'm honestly not sure what happened to her but she might've expended so much of her power for unknown reasons or her power was taken from her. She then shrunk to smaller form, losing her identity and is now our companion Paimon.
If you look up the first ever cutscene in Genshin, where our sibling face off the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles, notice how in one part, we see her reversing an explosion, as if she rewinded time.
So it's possible that Celestia or the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles took away Istaroth's powers.
Paimon is also associated with the Moon Sisters and the Seelie race. Seelies are constantly trying to find their home (their statue).
The patterns on her cloths and even the statue of seven heads on her wrists and ankles. People assume they are from Celestia, but I don't think that's the case. I believe that these patterns and the Crown shaped objects are from the Primordial Ones times. And that Celestia also used the same pattern for the statues of the 7 as well.
Paimon being Istaroth might also be a great plotline.
From the Shiki Taisho event, Paimon mentioned that you would be able to regain your true form if you recall your memories little by little or until something triggers it. Shiki Taisho also mentioned about him being afraid if he turns out to be an enemy if he were to regain his memories, some more details were mentioned but I don't remember them quite clearly.
So if that hints of Paimon eventually returning to her true form, then that would mean after she turns back into Istaroth, she will have to fight Celestia (the other 3 shades of Phanes) as she is a shade of Phanes herself and that it is her duty.
Paimon betraying us one day might be because of this. Rather than betraying us, Paimon might push us away as she doesn't want to put us in danger especially since we are not from this world and have nothing to do with it. I'm sure Paimon would do such a thing cuz her friendship with us definitely Genuine, she's not putting on a fake act (I keep hearing people say that).
That's all from my theories.
One last thing I want to mention. Venti is the only archon so far who doesn't have his 2nd Story Quest.
Looking at the patterns, it seems the Archon's 2nd Story Quest involves an old companion or old comrade of theirs (Zhongli-Azhdaha, Ei-Makoto).
If this pattern is right, Venti's 2nd Quest might mention Istaroth as she is the only other connection of Venti aside Dvalin and Boreas (that I can think of).
This would be a major part of the genshin story if they mention Istaroth so I can understand why they are taking a long time before releasing it.
Honestly, can't wait to see the Sumeru Final Quest and the Venti 2nd Quest if it were to come out one day.
If you take into consideration the technology and tree metaphors that have been associated with Dendro, Nahida is a Git branch that Rhukunamattata forked into.
There could be more to this the "world, forget me..." line has been in the game from near the begining at the statues of the seven. What if the twins were called to/back to Tevyat by one of the 3 moon sisters as one was completely corrupted and another in the process of trying to stave off the corruption.
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Wait await wait wait. Question question!!!! I know for a fact Araña during the last section of the Aranyaka story quest there was a mention of seelies. And Arana said something about paimon indirectly, in which the traveler also says something along the lines of "yeah I've known for a bit" or something along those lines. But I've never seen anyone else talk about it. Like it was super weird seeing that be glanced over by soooo many people.
Wasn't it Arama who said that after getting memories of the first tree?
@@zelktheinvader7874 maybe, i did the quest when i was somewhat pretty tired. But i do remember that i woke up after seeing what they said. But it's weird that no one talks about it
Hmm, Istaroth, the unseen goddess of time...Alice? She does lead a coven of witches(Hexenzirkel) who conduct explorations of the Irminsul. She basically introduced us to Nahida during the summer event. She had also mentioned having to get busy after learning the boarders of Teyvat were in trouble. Not to mention, the ears, aside from her and klee Nahida has them too.
Oh and she visited Inazuma around 500 years ago. When another tree first appeared despite being "recently" planted thanks to Istaroth's aid.
Ahhhh!!! I was thinking the whole way through, "Paimon. Hmmm... Paimon, too. Parallels to Paimon. Paimon!!"
finally someone is making a theory vid about this! i've initially thought that kusanali is rukkhadevata after the story quest, but i soon realised that things don't really add up if that were the case. it didn't really make much sense to me that king deshret would still be alive during the cataclysm if kusanali was rukkhadevata, since the only gods (in power & free to roam around) left in teyvat are the archons. thanks for this video for expanding more on it!
Do you know who else has relations to Ishtar? Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of love and beauty. (It's been speculated that her cult made its way to Greece along with her husband, which went under the name "Adonis.") The kind of god we've speculated the Tsaritsa once was. I've seen Nahida as more of an Athena character personally with her weird birth and her ties to wisdom, but it's interesting to think that, in the end, most of the Genshin archons may have ties to one another in more ways than we think.
If Istaroth really being sealed by Celestia,and Venti is connected to Ishtaroth;since he was born from branches of time,then the vision of 3 shadowy figures that Venti remembered of was not from his perspective,but Istaroth's?
The little Onion that always delivers 😂 some high quality brain rot. And the editing is better and better. 👍😄 The ending tho 😱😱
That ending left me speechless. Woah. This video was so well done and I enjoyed it so much although I hadn't been keeping up with genshin's lore for a while; the sumeru archon quest really made me invested in it again because of these parallels you discussed in the video. Keep up the great content!
the owner of yesterday and master of tomorrow morning basically tells us that her enemy is tonight
HAHA you were spot on my guy
Kasala doesn't mention she lost her memory because, he only saw her transform into a child and never got a chance to know more, because he died before the akadimya found kusanali.
He died long before the Cataclysm. However, it definitely is possible he never got to know more about Rukkhadevata after she regressed.
"When she was born".
If you cut tree branches and grow them up, they are still the same tree?
Nahida told us that she is the first Akasha.
I think she uses her power to help King Deshert and shrink. But she is still Rukadevata.
When cataclysm comes. In the end, she gave all her remaining power to give birth to Nahida.
Now, Rukadevata and Nahida are the same tree? Rukadevata shrunk or reborn into Nahida
Is Nahida the seed? then Who give her name
There seems to be something off with the timeline because I don't think the Scarlet King died 500 years ago. They always mentioned in the story that he died a thousand years ago, so for the sages not to know that Nahida is Rukha is a bit off or MAYBE this could have been a plot by the sages all along.
Maybe there's a chance that they actually know they are the same person and when she goes younger she loses part of her power and knowledge. There's a chance the sages were afraid of their future if their God is at the same level as a child in both body and mind. So, this could be the reason why they wanted a new God. More powerful than the one that they have now.
I guess I was somewhat right lol
About the frase "losing one's memory Is no different to losing one's Life" we can see that in the Aranara quest too, the dendro archon Is probably Just like an Aranara if not an evolved Aranara (Just like venti Is a Wind Spirit)
Also every time you mentioned connection's to the God of time or the God of time herself i almost ALWAYS said "Just like Venti, wow i know their connection but damn"
So packed with info. Thank you for bringing it all together so neatly.
Ok what the heck, you can't leave me with chills like that?! At first I was closing my mind about what you had to say, but continued to listen opening it back up. And then you impressed me with all your lore references that connected dots. And...then you go and drop a bombshell like that and I am shaking...you can't just do that. Now you have me wanting to pick apart ANY lore from this update going further. Seeing even more, accepting more wisdom. My mind has been blown wide open.
Your explanation is always easy to understand, it always adds something new to my genshin knowledge. I don't know how you've done your research but I'm sure it made a lot of tabs on your search engine 😭😭
Thank you for your hard work!
The tabs are always a nightmare 😂😂
This theory is really good and the end especially made me think, but I'm not sure that Paimon really HAS lost all her memories. In the Aranara quest (I'm not exactly sure where) when they're talking about life before the traveler, Paimon says that before the traveler fished her out of the pond her life was so-so, she wasn't sad but she wasn't exactly happy. This is like, from what I can remember, the first time Paimon ever really talks about her life before the traveler. Maybe I'm looking too deep into it or maybe Paimon knows (and remembers) a lot more than she lets on. Either way, great video and I'm looking forward to more!
This theory opens up cruel implications to the Sages.
If Rukkadevata was in a smaller Child form by the time of the Cataclysm. Then the Sages should have realized the Nahida is Rukkadevata.
This means the sages knew all along that Nahida was Rukkadevata but didn't care because she was no longer as useful as before.
Hmmmm... "The transparent, unseen bird that always sings, guiding people through the night and to their destinies" Idk but I thought about paimon with that
Came back to say you got it right!! I'm really impressed!
If we define personhood by the sum total of our experiences (memories), Kusanali and Rukkhadevata are not the same and the Sages are partially correct.
The Aranara questline told us everything. Arama sacrifices all her memories to cultivate the Ashvattha Tree in Old Vanarana, using Aranara magic expends memories, they were led by Queen Aranyani (Rukkhadevata). So Rukkhadevata is the Irminsul Tree we first meet, at least all her memories were used in its creation. Kusanali is the personality formed in the absence of Rukkhadevata's, hence why even Kusanali knows Rukkhadevata as a separate entity that, to her extremely limited knowledge, created her to be the first Akasha terminal.
"World forget me." "The forest remembers."
"*The* world *will* forget me *but* the forest *will* remember." I suspect this was Rukkhadevata's final thought/memory and it would be literal, if her memories were used in the creation of the Irminsul. She became the forest.
One of my theory was that Kusinali was a created god made by Rukka- similar to what happening now with sacara bc Rukk know she wont be able to make it back from the catalysm (it start to make little more sense to me when he say about rukk becoming part of the tree). this explain why there no memory cause she a new god and it now like mother and daughter relationship - it a theory with a lot of hole but it is something i been thinking of
The theory is right. To my theory before is that Rukkhadevata is Kusanali but it was mostly wrong. It's more like Kusanali is just another version of her but on a different life or fate. A branch of the same tree
I think there is possibly another piece to your theory, being the character or being that corresponds to the Simurgh, the bird-like chimeric creature that roosted in the Haoma, although at this time I cannot say who that might be.
Also, I’m sure you’ve seen some people state that they believe Honkai expys in Genshin are based on minimum two characters and not just one, and recently it has come to light that the other character besides Theresa that Nahida may be based on is Ai-chan, who is going to become a playable character. She’s also has plant affiliations(she is a cabbage) and is an A.I.. She also has a similar animation to Nahida’s idle where she sits in a swing, and even has an accessory that looks a lot like the Dendro symbol, but I think what would interest you most is that the name of her battle suit is “Chrono Navi”, which likely means something like “time navigator” or possibly “time ship” in the most literal sense, or “时帆旅人” in Chinese, which means “Time Sail Traveler”. As I do not play in the Chinese Honkai server I have yet to get the context behind this name and I don’t feel like spoiling myself, but perhaps that will be relevant to the decision to partially base Nahida off of her.
It’s also kinda funny that as of the most recent chapter on the global server, Theresa and Ai-chan were also just together in Lunar orbit.
I saw a tweet that sums all of this up, they said that Rhukka and Nahida's relationship is basically like Groot and baby Groot
Yayy, sun and moon series back (I hope)!!!
I love that these videos just seamlessly fit together so well just like putting a jigsaw puzzle together. At 16:07 it gave me chills with the music and everything, and when what was being said just clicked together was perfect and satisfying . I hope you can keep it up Onion and thanks!!
Well, glad I watch this theory before start the Archon Quest :D well done, sir!
love the dramatic endings
i love the afterthought of this video 😩 the hints that hoyoverse has been throwing and seeing it slowly becoming clearer is so satisfying. your videos are so well researched
This is an interesting hypothesis.
While I agree with you that Kusanali is not Rukkhadevata, I think that she is the Flower Goddess reborn.
-She's got flower imagery everywhere, especially her eyes, which look like those viparyas that only appear in the dream reality of Aranyaka.
-The flower goddess was associated with dreams
-Sabzerus festival comes from her
Anyway, hopefully we will know the answer next week. I love watching these videos and thinking about things. They always make me see things in a new way! The parallels between Rukkhadevata and Istaroth are very intriguing indeed.
I think the strange similarities Nahida has to what we know about the Goddess of Flowers is really sus too, like I want to know more about the GoF soon! And all the moon references would even make MORE sense since the GoF was a Seelie!
@@TheLittleOnionThatCould Oh My God she was a seelie! I completely forgot, now I need to see if there are any similarities between her and Venti, couse I really think he is a seelie too!
Like if he really is "one of the thousand winds" and Isthoroth is one of the moon sisters, than it makes since that "The thousand winds" are representative of the seelies
Plus I’m pretty sure flowers sprout at her feet when she walks during her burst
With the latest archon quest it is confirmed that Kusenali isn't actually rukedevata. And thus confirming your theory :D
I believe they're from nature alike, but because they have different fates they're not the same person. Like how far can you say it is the same person when they have a different or no memories at all? I think memory and experiences shape who we are and if i had the memory of napoleon, i be napoleon. Even if they're technically the same person, like rukedevata just loosing her power and becoming Kusenali, i still will believe they're different enough to not say they're the same person.
Also i like this concept more of "underdog struggles to overcome the greatness of their predecessor, but bc of their determination and friendship they overcome it, learn from it and become even greater" than "underdog struggles to overcome greatness of their predecessor, but realize they're the great predecessor and they're already great all along, they just had to remember"
Anyways some random thoughts I'd like to share here "the latest archon quest would have been much better if we don't hear abt the sages being punished but see or even contribute, like for all the shit theyve done, they should at least have the honor to be sandbags for me to punch"
I love this kind of theory because it 1) agrees with conclusions I already came to (the cutscene in act 4 taking place pre-archon war), and 2) makes me consider information and connections I hadn’t thought of yet (everything you said about Istaroth!!). So I instantly adopt it as canon until proven otherwise 😅
ETA: forgot to mention, another thing I find very suspicious/interesting is that of all the archons we’ve seen so far, only Rukkhadevata and Kusanali have the long elf ears. What could that imply? 🤔
FINALLY! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THISSSSS! I've missed your vids, Onion!!
A streamer I watched theorized that Rukedevata used up a significant part of her power and transformed into a early teenage form back during the time of the scarlet king and during the battle at Kanriah she sacrificed more of her power again and her form became even younger and with memory loss. Who says she can't do the same thing twice?
Ur energy is just too good it brightens MY day I gotta sub
Yooo!!! The way he gave a hint to paimon at the end!! Such elegance!
Your theory is similar to what i had in mind except the istaroth stuff xD. The scarlet king choosing to sacrifice himself is also very similar to what happened to orobaxi after he read the forbidden book where he chose to sacrifice himself and let himself get cut down by ei so celestia would spare his people. I think kusanali is kind of like a "child"/creation of rukkha and not rukkha herself
Well worth the wait. Amazing work as always
I love our best companion, PAIMON but I think she's the one who separates the siblings in the first place when you need to select a character and transform into a little kid like what happened to Rukkhadevata
20:49 what a gold video you got the nahida part right and I think that tree is going to burn and be reborn in 3.6 we will see.
oh my GOD, 3.2 JUST came out and i played it, you must see for yourself what happens, and is so much better coming from just watching your videos. it raises more questions. i won't tell much.
The parable of the tree in the sun and moon always cross my mind coz it intrigue me...thanks to this, somehow it make sense to me now... really like your theory crafting in a sense its clear as water
AHHHHH I am obsessed with how you lead up to the end 😭
Wow, this kinda validated what I felt after watching Rukkhadevata shrunk to a kid! When I finished King Deshret and the Three Magi, it felt really off that Rukkhadevata is Kusanali because of the timeline, as you've pointed out, mentioned by Tighnari and Kusanali. Before, I was thinking that if Rukkhadevata became Kusanali, like a lot of people have said, it would mean that King Deshret would've died 500 years ago and as you've said, sounded off when taking the archon war in mind.
On the Statue of the 7 though, it's a little hard to assume this is made by the people. But I don't think it's made by Celestia either. This is part of the description of a Portable Waypoint: "A pocket-sized item that creates a temporary Teleport Waypoint. It is capable of connecting with the ley lines, at least to the extent necessary to bring about teleportation." So, there's a possibility that Waypoints are made by humans that connects to the waypoint. I feel that it's not just for teleportation though (as was its purpose in GAA's first event, a beacon). A Statue of the 7 contains an archon's element, since the Traveler can resonate with a statue to gain the same elemental energy. Plus, it can heal xD
I think, Statues of the 7 are similar to the temples mentioned in 5:48, they're made by the archons. Maybe, aside from other unknown purposes, they're used as outposts to observe their territory? Or something else? As for other things like Rukkhadevata is Ishtar... Well, I haven't done a lot of quests and haven't read books from Sumeru. So, I'm open to possibilities.
Thanks for sharing your theory!
Wow nice video, it stucked with me at the end the conection you made between the two scenes of the comic and the birth of kusanali, if its the case that istaroth was trapped by celestia it would explain why venti didnt like celestia at the time, it would also explain why in that part of the comic only appears 3 shades of phanes instead of 4, and why in monstadt they stopped whorshipping the god of time. Moreover it would make the analogy of the transparent bird a stronger one since Vennesa also turned into a bird when she ascended to celestia. Wow, nice conections