This didn't just happen to the Aranara and Nahida. Gouba also sacrificed memory and life force as the Stove God, so it's a running theme throughout Teyvat and makes sense with Paimon as well.
I dunno when the first time the thought crossed my mind was, but I've had this theory since at least June. XD Not to put down the video or anything, it's always good to see people coming to the conclusions independently, but it's definitely something folks have been considering since Moonchase.
IF Paimon got "guobafied"...it means only one thing: The " Second who came" defeated the Primordial One and the current Celestia is indeed an impostor.
@@RejectedInch I don't think that's necessarily true. Istaroth continued to interact with Enkanomiya after the Second Who Came arrived. Also, considering she may have been involved in helping Makoto plan the Sakura Tree at Khaenri'ah, she likely Guobafied 500 years ago. The only possible relevant inference to your claim would be that Istaroth opposes Celestia and that the only reason she would oppose them is that they are the Second Who Came. While a reasonable possibility, it's not the only one.
I think she shrank twice. Once thousands of years ago when the Scarlet King incident happened (Nahida even says that the Scarlet King died long before Rhukadevata), and that the form she took was not completely a child yet, she became an archon after this event not before. This is why the statue of the seven is too small to be Rhukadevata but too large to be Kusanali, it was based on her form when she became an archon. But 500 years ago in the cataclysm she used her powers again to protect but this time she used up all her memories and was now in her child form.
@@readerofalltrades it probably helped to keep her memories the first time she used that power. However since she knew she would sacrifice the last bit of her memories and that even a gnosis would not help to retain such memories. This might be why she probably left the Akasha system to her people and also maybe why she says the phrase "world forget me" because she may have used forbidden knowledge to harness the power of the god of time, after all she is the Archon from the nation of wisdom.
@@_hector__ The one we went into with Itto, Shinobu, Yelan, and Yanfei. The one that Itto tried to punch open and the door wouldn't budge, but it had an opening button right next to it.
@@katcrow Or she CAN'T reveal the past. Like a program that denies access, but she's not aware of this rule instilling fear into her to not enter this place or any place that would reveal the truth. an "irrational" fear that is hard-wired into her Psyche to "protect" her.
IKR, ngl, I do pop into his streams and I do like them for the short time that I do watch them, I just don’t have time to watch a streamers whole stream and I think most people already had preferred streamers but I still hope his channel grows in a way that he can enjoy.
2:39 King Deshret's case is separate from the Cataclysm event 500 years ago. It is heavily implied that Nahida was the result of an even more straining use of her powers in the cataclysm than helping King Deshret combating forbitten knowledge. First time she lost her adult form, then, without even fully recovering, she used all of herself, her form and memories.
Nahida was Rhukadevata's ultimate plan to deal with the forbidden knowledge, she herself was corrupted which was poisoning Irminsul, the only solution she found was to remove herself entirely from history, but only she can do that... and she couldn't find the courage to do it to herself, so she plucked the purest branch from Irminsul and cultivated it until Nahida was born, Nahida then replaces her and can ultimately destroy her and save Irminsul... though the ending of the 3.2 Archon Quest is dubious... there's implication that Dottore re-infects Nahida with forbidden knowledge, starting the cycle all anew.
@@Rexhunterj Even after act 5 you still got some things wrong and you want to correct me? It was not because Rukkha didn't had the courage, it was because it was impossible, "a kind of paradox" in Rukkha's words. About Dottore. For him to retain the info about forbitten knowledge right after Nahida deleted the last of it, he would need to be a descender. He didn't get into contact with another descender to inform him of forbitten knowledge between the time frame of the erase and talking to Nahida. But since his info are in the Irmensul he is not a descender. So your guess is wrong.
I'm pretty sure that the Scarlet King's death was around the time of the Archon War, considering that his modern era followers argue that Rhukkadevata betrayed him to become an Archon and usurp his title as the God of Wisdom, which would be weird if he died thousands of years after she became the first Dendro Archon and right as she was replaced by Kusanali. Especially since she didn't seem to have become as young as Nahida currently is (which, if they are in fact the same person, makes sense since whatever it was that happened in the Cataclysm seems like it was probably way more powerful than whatever the Scarlet King was sealing away) in that cutscene.
The Khaenri'ahn sages brought Forbidden Knowledge to the godless nation, they are responsible for the fall of Khaenri'ah, all of the historical events we know of so far, all begin AFTER the king inducts the sages into his inner circle. Peirrot/Jester is known to have argued against the sages to his King, desperate to stop the folly he was watching unfold, but it was already too late, the king was corrupted. We can extrapolate that Gold (previously known to be a good, kind alchemist) learned forbidden techniques from them that led to her fall as well and the creation of Durin, the Rift Hounds and so much more. Those bio weapons were described as 'tools' she built to aid the nation's building efforts as they were supposedly building underground passages to each nation to reconnect with the surface as part of a larger infiltration plan. The Ruin Guards are called "Field Tillers" but there's nothing about them that is meant for agricultural use.
@@rinzzler366 They all somehow have PTSD about events of Kaenri'ah. Even veterans of Archon War like Raiden Shogun. Just what did they see there? Paimon's power unleashed, powered by her age and memories?
I feel that Paimon is a Seelie. The game has been outright suggesting it a lot recently with dialogue. While I won't say that her being a Seelie and a shade of Istaroth are mutually exclusive, a lot of the points people use to say that Paimon is the God of Time were disproven in a really great video by CatWithBlueHat. I think she and the Traveler met in a part of Monstadt we haven't been to yet as they had been traveling prior to when we first take control of the Traveler and the scenery where the Traveler fishes up Paimon doesn't match anywhere in current Monstadt, let alone where we start the game. Likewise, Paimon doesn't pause time in Domains, coop, story quest dungeons, nor the story (it definitely would have been helpful back when the Raiden Shogun was about to strike the Traveler down).
shade of rukhadevata? lmao .NO, i dont think that paimon its a seelie , because we now know that seelies used to have horns(info from aranyaka quest) . U can even see their horns if u pay attention. As said in the video paimon was obsviously a godly being in the same situation as kusanali,guoba,etc.HOwever, i also dont believe she is the god of time.
I’d wager the world isn’t real so that’s why she doesn’t pause domains. I recall the sky isn’t real according to Scaramouche. They are in a world simulation tbh.
@@alexfirth21 yes im happy to hear u share the same theory as me. The theorists ashikai and the little onion that could , both reached at a conclusion: teyvat is a domain , more especifically a domain of consciousness. If this is true this goes above and beyond of what u said: if she is the counsciousness of this world , then this world its actually paimons consciousness and thats why she can pause the world(her consciusness ) but not the real world(the menu is called paimon menu and theres an image of paimon there). This alligness with the book sun and moon wich says that the primordial one created the world of teyvat (human realm) and the sky is actually his eggshels (and thats why its fake).
@@Th3Mystery Thanks for catching that incredibly weird typo about the Shade bit. I meant “Shade of Istaroth” and will fix it. I’m mostly referring to how I can recall at least 3 instances of her being compared to Seelies, her having a cape, her literally being a guide, and her love of Treasure all being incredibly Seelie-like. That said, which specific quest mentioned that Seelie had horns?
I don't think Paimon has completely lost her memory, but I do believe she's withholding details about her past. Somewhere in the Aranara quest she mentions how before she met the traveler, her life was pretty bland, she wasn't happy or sad, but after she met the traveler her life is exciting and happy. Her saying this definitely means she remembers at least SOMETHING about her past., even if its just emotions,
There's an error at 2:40 into the video, that is actually covered in the 3.2 Archon quest: You mentioned that G.L. Ruukadevata gave her life saving King Deshret's people 500 yrs ago, but the Archon quest states that she helped save them thousands of yrs prior. The actual time of her sacrifice was 500 yrs prior to current events, but it was during the cataclysm of Kaenriah. I'm afraid your timeline is skewed, sir.
That Nahida is Rukkhadevata is such a tragic irony; the god that the sages adores so much is right in front of them, but they don’t make the connection and mistreat her as an inferior replacement. There are memes suggesting Paimon is actually the unknown god, but the god of time makes much more sense. Either way will be interesting if we ever get more info.
The Sages know exactly who kusanali is, and they know that she is not Rukhadevata, she is just her shard and nothing more. They are not stupid, they became sages under Rukhadevata rule which means they were worthy it, and they are practical people, they saw empty of powers and wisdom clone of their lord, and only one last use for her was akasha terminal. Rukhadevata is dead, they were left without archon capable of ruling a nation after cataclysm, and hard times created strong men, which saw even less use in weak clone of their previous archon.
the sustainer is likely still out there and not only that but paimon is from teyvat and the sustainer isnt paimon is something else entirely given the sumeru quest debunks aton of theorys with its new info we got.
I have believed Paimon to be related to the god of Time for over 2 years now and with every new piece of lore we get it seems to become more and more likely. Good for me! Guess I wont ever need to rename my channel
Me too, surprisingly no one of the lore historians suspect that Paimon strained her power when she helped Makoto build Sacred Sakura Tree. I mean, it’s hella tiring to shift/replace entire timeline suddenly with Sacred Sakura Tree existing in that new timeline.
I'm still placing my bets on Paimon being a fallen Seelie, maybe even one of the three Moon Sisters but a Seelie at the very least. However, her being the God of Time or some sort of God is warranted tbf. Let's just see how HYV takes it huh
@@eirzaa0429 I'm believing she's just a shade of the God of Time, a fragment of that God's will/ambition. The Seelie bit is true, it's the only other species in Teyvat she is similar to and the one species NO ONE knows much about in the game world. More importantly Paimon is the one who encourages us to send stray Seelies home to their courts for rewards, she herself is a glutton for treasure and adventure and the Traveler has stated that they feel a sense of familiarity with the Seelies and also a deep melancholy from them.
I personally think that Paimon might just be a living seelie rather than a God of time because it makes sense that Paimon would be similar to a seelie in guiding us thru the world of teyvat.
As much as I like a lot of this channel’s, and other genshin lore theorist’s theories, I personally think that Rukkhadevata and Nahida, as people, are completely different. I am willing to entertain the thought that they might share a body, but they are completely different in individual identity. Exhibit A: Nahida’s confinement. Nahida wouldn’t have been imprisoned and essentially abandoned by the Akademia, had Nahida simply had the Divine Wisdom of Gods, that the Akademia idolizes. Now you might argue that Nahida didn’t have Rukkhadevata’s memories, and thus lacked in the wisdom of Rukkhadevata. To this I present Exhivit B: Nahida’s lack of Rukkhadevata’s memories. In the Aranara quest it is mentioned that losing memory is essentially like dying. This would mean that if Rukkhadevata did lose all her memories, that would mean that Rukkhadevata is dead. Plain and simple. Nahida might be in the body of the late Rukkhadevata, but I am sure that this hardly affects her identity as Nahida. In addition to all this, I would like to present Exhibit C: Guoba Guoba, confirmed to be born from what remains of a god in Liyue’s past, is definitely not that same god anymore. Guoba now is just a spicy bear, living in absolute ignorance and bliss.
One factor I think highlights this. What is a human but a combination of lived experiences and memory. Am I still me if I was cloned perfectly but lacked my memory. This is essentially the situation Nahida is in.
Another point in this theory favor is that when the Tree erases everyone's memories of Rhukka, even Paimon is affected meaning she is indeed from world/plane of existence. So she can't be something like the traveler an "outsider".
Rukkhadevata saving Deshret's people was at least 2000 years ago. She was still Rukkhadevata then, just a younger/smaller/weaker version. Then she grew for another few thousand years before shrinking again during the Cataclysm 500 years ago to become Kusanali.
You seem to of missed that rukkhadevata sacrificed her power and some memory to save deshrats kingdom around when the goddess of flowers died. This was BEFORE the archon wars so over 2000yearsago. In the trailer she has the form of a teenager (like fischl) bur was still herself. 500 years ago she went to 'heal irminsul' with makoto during the cataclysm/ khanria event using all her power returning again smaller to a child form with no memory. Same as gouba did when he first decided himself up then again lost more power later.
I see that other people have already brought up the complications regarding the timeline with Nahida. But that doesn't really affect the implications for Paimon. It's great to have you back!
How have you already finished everything? I look forward to the clarification, but it's probably going to take me a while to complete the archon quest.
I believe there were actually TWO instances of Rukkhadevata "shrinking". First was during the Archon War (2000+ years ago) when she saved the people of King Deshret. That time she remembered he former life, and carried her memories forward. In the priest's dream, she looks much older post shrinkage. However during the Cataclysm (500+ years ago) she gave away all her power and knowledge (similar to Aranara) to save the world/Irminsul and that left her with Nahida's current form where she had no knowledge or strength of her former self. The sage's interpreted what was left here (Nahida) as a different person from her former self (no wisdom, lack of power etc) that they only thought of preserving what is left of her in the Sanctuary of Surasthana. I definitely think this story beat is going to be repeated with Paimon as well, as the last time we saw this was with Guoba but that was an event where things can or cannot be considered canon to the lore. In Gouba's case he still remembered Zhongli to some extent. More Speculation: I think the Sages have this mentality of preserving Nahida in whatever form she is left in and try to save irminsul themselves without putting her in more danger. She has after all saved Sumeru multiple times at this point and has barely any power left so there might be this idea of the Sages to try to act without her involvement this time around and they are getting super desperate at this point which shows their "evil" actions recently... or atleast that's what I think the story indicates to some extent. We shall see with version 3.2 if i am right on this or not..
Interesting theory, I also think that one of the smartest people in the nation of knowledge would recognise Nahida's younger self, especially if they have seen Rukkha's appearance. Maybe Sages are trying to create a new god so that he could manage Irminsul problems without involvement of Nahida and she could stay safe
Spoilers You aren't wrong, there's a missing bit for anyone who missed it in 3.2 Archon Quest. Nahida is actually created from the purest branch of Irminsul by Rhukadevata, not a reincarnation but a brand new incarnation of the Dendro Archon. Rhukadevata claims they are the same entity but with different paths, experiences and personalities. This likely means that Rhukadevata either has done this incarnation before and another Dendro Archon was sacrificed for the desert, OR Nahida is a brand new and special existence truly separate from Rhukadevata and the Dendro Archon of the Archon Wars.
@@Rexhunterj yeap i was wrong. The sages were assholes and too arrogant. But i do think you are right, Kusanali and Rukka were the same branch vs the OG goddess during King Deshret
I wonder what the traveler did before we meet Paimon and what we didt with her together in the 2 month before we tell her about our separation? We get to know about that in the opening cut Szene
Nahida and Rukkhadevatta are of completely different person. Nahida is just a tiny branch from the purest of irminsul that Rukkhadevatta created of her own image . She doesnt have a memory of her past because she was meant to be a greater version of herself to replace her and heal irminsul thus erasing herself in the annals of Teyvat along with the corruption that has been slowling eating Irminsul. Traveler even acknowledges that Rukkhadevatta now is completely wipeout from everyones memories exept himself.
Not only Paimon is moving when you pause the game, also some kids keep jumping or having fun. That's very sus because it was never ever patched since the game release
iirc when finding the dried Aranara seed in the chasm, Paimon says she will tell us a story from her past once we reach Sumeru. Not sure this part is made into the game at the current point of time, 3.1, though.
My theory about Paimon goes like this Paimon was Either The Primordial one (tho I don't really believe in this theory that strongly, but for now I'll consider this as a possibility) OR, She can be a really strong god UNDER the P. one, (One of the moon sisters?) basically! she was an important god in her past (a good one that is). it is said that the P. One was over thrown by some other powers, I assume that'd be the Unknown god, so during that war b/w this unknown god/army and the P. one. Paimon being one of the strong/important Gods in Celestia she too was fighting and was the last one left, she then either used her Memories/powers to their limits and gave a fatal blow to the Unkown god making her weak in some way, OR she thought of not risking her life and giving herself time to heal and fight back again with force, so she fled Celestia and maybe gave away her powers for some reason OR just Like Rukkhadevata who created Nahida from the Branch of Irminsule Paimon too is created from a fraction of that powerful god Or The P. one. The Story of the 3 moons sister is that these three moon sisters would change moons every month (like changing moons with the other one and repeat the cycle) if they stopped doing so a great calamity shall appear, and one day they didn't change (I forgot most of the part please correct me if I'm wrong in the next few lines) I believe they fought each other, after not being able to change the moons and the great calamity occurred. Or I like to believe that, the reason why they weren't able to change their moons was that Celestia was under attack by the Unknown god, Or the unknown god might have attacked these sisters and 2 of them were killed while the third one (Paimon) escaped and shrank due to her powers being drained. Now here comes the "The skies of Teyvat are fake" theory, why? cuz Celestia/unknown god didn't wanted the world to look at the real sky which probably was covered in blood of the war(s) that happened b/w the Celestial gods and the unknown god/her army, or maybe it's to hide the Secrets of 3 moons and the 3 sisters perhaps these mooons exist out there but they're being hidden for they have some great secret. I'm believe in Paimon being an important god Under the P. one, just because her Name Is 'Paimon', and we know that All the gods have a Demon name and Paimon is the Demon who is the strongest among all the other demons in hell and Is under direct control of Lucifer, to put it simply Paimon is someone with great importance but just her past ofc isn't cleared. please add some more theories and let's talk about things I don't have a friend who plays genshin and is into lore, while I'm all about it but have no one to talk to :' )
Great summary! So I believe as well Paimon sacraficed herself on a similar manner as Kusanali. What I think Paimon did, was to somehow influence Celestia to stay silent / sealed up until present times. Lets see in 3 years if I was correct 😉👍
Very interesting theory! I originally assumed that Nahida’s transformation was unique to her Dentro abilities, as the Aranara and other plant-like creatures in Sumeru share some ability to transform based on the elements around them. However, it is good to remember that a key theme of the story is alchemy, which is well known for its fabled abilities of transmutation or transformation. Either way there is a precedent set here, so it is absolutely possible and perhaps likely that Paimon used to be someone else.
dude, your delivery was very good on this one, excellent work. I agree with you on most of it, sounds very solid and I'm happy to see you view Nahida like I do, I think a lot of people don't really see her as Rukkadevada herself but rather like a clone of her, but I see this as incorrect after seeing what all happens with the aranara as well. Looking forward to more content from you brother, have a good one!
Imo similarity between Nahida and Paimon is a chekov's gun. I don't think Paimon is related to what happend with Rukhiavada, but instead a hint that she did something similar.
Nahida says that the Irminsul has no information about the traveler since he is from another world. However, if Paimon is from Teyvat, then shouldn't there be information about her? Is the information so insignificant that it isn't even worth mentioning by Nahida? Or is it that it is skipped on purpose, like a lot of characters we meet don't question the existence of Paimon and her nature? It just puzzles me, if I were Paimon and didn't know my origins, I would definitely ask.
I have another theory about Paimon. And it is such that Paimon was one of the Gods of Celestia but was expelled for some crime against the Heavenly Principles by the Supreme God of Celestia and no, I'm not talking about Asmodeus (aka the Unknown God), her title is only the Sustainer and not the creator, which suggests that she only protects and carries out the orders of the Supreme God, the Unknown God, according to my guesses, only serves the Heavenly Princes and the Leader of Celestia, I also think that during the cataclysm, performing her duties, the Unknown God most likely lost most of her power, possibly take off her memory and turned into a little girl and now she wanders around Taivat not knowing who she is and what happened to her, and it is possible that somewhere closer to the plot of Keanria'ha, the traveler will meet her in a weakened form and without memory, perhaps according to the plot she will regain her memory and eventually turn into a protégé of her ex the chief, then Leader Celestia, and if there is a region of Celestia, she will be a guide character there and it turns out that Paimon is also from Celestia, but was expelled and deprived of strength in punishment for some misconduct, but these are just my fan theories and until it is proven or this is only a theory, so no offense, okay. I just have a feeling that all of the current main antagonists are just a way to hide the main villain of the game for the time being - Fatui, the Evil Twin, the Unknown God, is just an enticing money maker, and towards the end they will show the real Final Boss.If anything I apologize for bad English
Paimons similarities to seelies lead me to believe that she isn't the God of time. From the guiding, educating, treasure obsessing, and shape of her being so similar to what we know of seelies I just can't say she's the God of time. Perhaps tied to her, though. Although she certainly has many time connections. Just, go to the time menu look at it and then look at Paimons eyes. I never even noticed until Paimons said something along the lines of "Time passes in a blink of an eye." Spent about 15 minutes wondering if I was reading in too deep of if the time clocks are actually her eyes.
Maybe the god of time wanted to go to a future where there was no Archon war and turned into Paimon since she used too much power. And the reason she ended up in the sea could be because Venti dragged a ton of land into the sea. Probably along side where the god of time was at the time she time traveled.
could paimon have been the reason the travelers were sent down to teyvat so far apart time wise? Maybe their arival could have caused some sort of problem and paimon used all their power to send one forward in time so they could prevent what ever could have happened.
graeter lord rukkadevata proceeded imansull from forbidden knowledge from the abyss and that knowledge is also reason the imansull was polluted and she is connected to imansull so her consciousness is the reason stayed corrupted and needed a new soul from imansull to free her. I know that the video was before 3.2 update but still I wanted to clear up the louse threads in your video
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Also, i recently replayde the mondstadt questline, and the first time you wait for the next night to enter dilucs tavern, it was said it was paimons power
i believe that paimon isn’t one of the shades of the primordial one but the primordial one herself. and the sustainer of heavenly principles is one of of the four shades of paimon
The idea that Paimon was the goddess of time has been around for many years now. Hard to confirm. They do seem to keep the secrets in this game JUST out of reach, as it should be.
🌸😹I would not be so hesitant to utter Paimon is of false tongue about her past, but I must admit, I adore the numerous “Paimon The Betrayer” theories out there.😹🌸
She's definitely not a betrayer. 3.2 dropped some new stuff and revealed a huge lore bit at the end of it so I won't spoil too much but I will directly mention what was said about Paimon. Paimon is native to Teyvat, she also is special, different to the other beings in Teyvat, similar to the Traveler. The Traveler is fateless, meaning Destiny cannot shape our path as a player, we go where we please and Destiny must react to OUR whims. Paimon has no memories prior to meeting the Traveler, Nahida confirms this for us and this clears Paimon of any suspicion we had, she really is our companion and best friend we can rely on for anything.
This could be a 'red herring' but in one of the world quests (I think its the one with the disguised fatui agents that want to leave) Paimon is explicitly called a seelie -- that makes me think that Paimon's connection to the seelies and their lore is stronger than the god of time/kairos/phanes connection. Honestly she could be connected to both and this doesn't prevent her from having 'shrunk' like Rhukadevata/Kusanali and Gouba, I just think there's more evidence for the seelie connection with her design/lore similarities and nicely explains why npcs don't question her existence/presense.
You should play CrisTales. It goes a bit into what may happen to living things were their time altered. Very similar concept in regards to the de-aging here.
while I do think Paimon "is" the Unknown God or some other similar being, I don't believe she's actively lying to us. Paimon from day 1 has always been VERY similar to Higokumaru from Honkai and is as such only a fragment from the previous being. Higokumaru was the last remaining piece of "good" within the Herrcher Of The Corruption and truly did not know what she was until a later event restored her memory and when she found out it almost broke her
great video TH! i definitely think there’s credence to the theory that Paimon expelled a great deal of power and lost most if not all of her memories/powers in a way similar to Kusanali/Rukkhadevata! personally i don’t think Paimon is intentionally hiding her past/true identity from the Traveller and just simply does not retain those memories just like how Nahida (as of 3.1) has no idea that she WAS Rukkhadevata…. like you said in the video it will probably be a LONG time before we get any solid answers about who/what Paimon is but the little bits of info we have right now are hard to ignore!
@teyvathistoria whenever the traveler becomes silent it definitely indicates he's thinking on a deeper level and realizes a few things that others don't see. I bet Al haitham hasn't connected the dots between Mahira and ruka because nobody knows what she even looks like.
Small mistake in the timeline, Scarlet king died over a thousand years ago; cataclysm was 500 years ago and the greater Lord disappeared during the cataclysm. While the theory does still make sense, the greater Lord would have to regenerate her form until she was nearly full force again, but something caused her to lose that form again during the cataclysm.
There is also another god you kinda forgot about, that shares this same trait of forgetting their past, shrinking, and becoming a lot weaker. The god of Stoves, Gouba. The fact that Nahida is another repetition of that same theme, it seems to me, an innate power of the gods. Not to mention the rule of 3 is in play for this theme now.
I didn't meant it to be negative but at same time of your video, Islandxd also posted similar video about paimon true identity theory, I find that more believing that your theory. Either it be paiman being the true God phanos as name genshin is or just one of the shades of phanos. great job on your theories.
*SPOILER* Additionally from the 3.2 Sumeru Archon quest, it was actually found that Nahida is not actually "Greater Lord Rukkhadevata" herself but a part/version of her being a pure manifestation of Greater Lord Rukkhadevata excluding the forbidden knowledge.
maybe all of the archon stories is shared with paimon.. venti even mentioned time and winds. my guess is paimon is related to every archon story but before the destruction if genshin impact ends its going to be a tear jerker involving paimon
I also have a theory about the traveler and their sibling I think that they were not separated by time when they were sealed but that ( I choose Ather as the protagonist) Lumine pleaded with pimon to send thier sibling to the future to protect them from the aftermath of Khrena because he did not have any allies to really on but Lumine did the people of Khnrea and that is why pimon was so close to us when we woke up and sending them to the future cost her a lot of power and her memory as archon because if she forgot everything then how could she be a guide for us if she is learning everything for the first time.
We did learn Nahida's Goetic name, though. Scaramouche called Nahida by the name Buer, which is indeed another demon's name, but from a tome closely related to the Ars Goetia, the Pseudomonarchia Daemonum. So we can add Nahida = Buer.
Paimon’s hairstyle LOOKS JUST LIKE the princess of the kingdom of darkness (in the battle pass) , like come on … it is the only gender-accurate theory regarding her and we be knowing by now that Hoyo doesn’t do coincidences ☺️
No confirmation of that exists. Most information on Paimon is pasted along the rumor mill much like this video as unconfirmed theory. No theories (including my own) should ever be seen as objective fact.
We saw the exact thing with Guoba. He sacrificed his powers and size in fighting a calamity. He went dormant, woke up chibi, memoryless and without much power.
His was due to erosion too though, his slumber while eroding is why he has no more memories and is barely intelligent. We're told by Madam Ping that it's his well-earned rest. Remember that Zhongli's concerns are that of watching his ancient loved ones succumb to erosion like Azdaha did. Guoba's sacrifice came at a time when it was needed most and when he would be needed least afterwards.
@@Rexhunterj Zhongli and Ei both are prone to going thru erosion. It's just neither have started showing signs. Ei's whole reason of making a doll was to get rid of her physical body in the hopes of staving off erosion. Both of them tell the traverler, as long as he knows their stories and remembers, they will live on even after death. Death in Teyvat is equivocated with the loss of all memory, not biological termination. Memory is returned to the Irminsul trees after biological death.
I'm excited for this video because it seems other theorycrafters of Genshin are slowly catching up to the theory that Inotia King came up with a long while ago. That might be a sign that it's being proven true. If you guys like IslandXD and Ashikai too could work together I'm sure you'll uncover all the secrets. And it could be cool to see you guys discuss this stuff given all you've figured out already.
Hey Teyvat Historia! Just wanted to let you know that we do know Nahida/Kusanali's God name! It's Buer as revealed in leaked voice lines from the archons talking about her. Buer is a President in the Ars Goetia who teaches Natural, Moral Philosophy, Logic, and the uses and qualities of all different herbs and plants, as well as being able to heal afflictions. Very much Lines up with Nahida, her sort of healing dunyazard to keep her in stasis during the Samsara, Being Related to dendro obviously, and being incredibly wise with her weird analogies lmao.
Have you noticed that whenever we ask the archons about what happened in the past, paimon is always there. It also reminded me of avengers end game Strange: If I tell you it won't happen
Many ppl don't seen to notice that nahida knows who paimon is but she didn't hid it. More like she said it but traveler just never asked what the irmunsul saved of paimon
i never thought paimon as a unknown god. but the moment we learned about god of time in enkanomiya i then thought she could be the god of time and wind. i don't think she is primordial one that's for sure. another thing and it's pretty common but you know paimon is the one who always tell us what to do and when to like she giving us direction and we reach there in the accurate time. there's many things i wanna say but it will become whole essay. but yeah genshin lore goes real deep it's so deep i sometimes think we never gonna learn anything 🗿
There is more clues as to paimon being the primordial one than the God of time imo, remember paimon is named after the demon king paimon from the ars goetia, the strongest demon Not to mention, if she did loose her powers, she probably lost it when she lost control of Celestia against the second who came
@@Iyala-iyala yeah her crown is the important part. I'm sure she will be someone very important but not as higher being as primordial one. Traveler trust paimon too much and never question about her origin nor the people of teyvat that we encountered so far. Mihoyo literally keeping the secret real hard
@@destructor6400 she has the exact same crown as the primordial, she’s androgynous in nature and her cape is literally wings she fits the primordial one description
@@destructor6400 all artifacts represent PO + Shades an the circlet is for the primordial one. Paimon is the only character we’ve seen that dares wear a crown (besides BP story)
Another reason I think why memories have played such a strong role in the stories of Sumeru is due to Sumeru's and the Dendro Archon's ties to Irminsul. It is literally the nexus of Teyvat's Ley Lines, which house the collective memories of Teyvat. (I believe this is what the Aranara are referring to when they refer to "Sarva"). This video has the gears in my head turning and I think I might be on to something. Supposing for a moment that Nahida was formerly Rukkhadevata and Paimon was formerly Istaroth...what if the power she needed to expend (that turned her into the Paimon of today) was so great that it wasn't just her own memories that were lost (to the Ley Lines, I'm assuming) but also the people of Teyvat's memories of Istaroth, as well? The only people we know are aware of Istaroth in the present day are Ei and Yae, and I'm willing to believe that they're an exception due to them not being human. Which also makes me think of the message in Irminsul. "World...forget me." What if that message has something to do with the possibility that this expenditure of power also has the potential for the world to forget them, as well? Which, I'm also just now remembering how people always thought Zhongli was God of the Stove. What if that's because everyone but "higher beings" forgot Marchosius ever existed after he expended his power, becoming Guoba?
So I won't spoil much from 3.2 if I can but: Nahida is literally the creation through Alchemy of Rhukadevata from the "purest branch of Irminsul" which means that while Nahida and Rhukadevata are related technically (similar soul or the same soul going through different experiences) Nahida is a new and different Rhukadevata, not the same and never will be. To do this, Rhukadevata had to essentially burn her entire life force and memories but even then she couldn't fully do it, hence why we hear "World... Forget me..." as she couldn't fully erase herself. If Paimon is an incarnation of Istaroth (which is weird as Paimon is a demons name) then she too likely sacrificed her powers and memories of herself... maybe Istaroth was corrupted by forbidden knowledge too? Or tainted by the Abyss? We know that the disaster of Khaenri'ah was much worse than reality seems to remember it. Ei describes the day as the end of the world, black-red skys, miasma and abyssal mud everywhere, monsters crawling out of the ground, through rifts, etc. Liyue's Millileth sacrificed themselves at the Chasm to contain the threat posed to the nation, yet modern Teyvat doesn't seem completely ravaged by a horrific world ending war against the gods... It seems like Istaroth's sacrifice was so great because she had to heal so much damage... Paimon is all that is left, a small fragment of a once great, benevolent god?
What if the travelers are the primordial one that has been splitted by the other gods because they wanted the powers of elements all for themselves?? Maybe after dividing the primordial one they have doomed the travellers to travel forever for worlds. Then they returned to Teyvat without their memories and are now doing what they are doing because they were the primordial one in the past.
The problem I have with this theory is that Paimon wasn't fished out from the shore we start the game on, the background looks nothing like the tutorial area, and it is said that they traveled for 2 months prior to the start of the game. Having said that I do believe that Paimon went through a similar process of "shrinking" but I'm not sold on the idea that she is the god of time (yet)
This didn't just happen to the Aranara and Nahida. Gouba also sacrificed memory and life force as the Stove God, so it's a running theme throughout Teyvat and makes sense with Paimon as well.
I dunno when the first time the thought crossed my mind was, but I've had this theory since at least June. XD Not to put down the video or anything, it's always good to see people coming to the conclusions independently, but it's definitely something folks have been considering since Moonchase.
All of these have Goetic names as well. Paimon, Guoba = Marchosias and Nahida = I won't spoil here but for those that want, click see more.
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@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Well, you jumped the gun by about a half hour. XD The new character marketing has a quote and the name can now be deduced. XD
IF Paimon got "guobafied"...it means only one thing: The " Second who came" defeated the Primordial One and the current Celestia is indeed an impostor.
@@RejectedInch I don't think that's necessarily true. Istaroth continued to interact with Enkanomiya after the Second Who Came arrived. Also, considering she may have been involved in helping Makoto plan the Sakura Tree at Khaenri'ah, she likely Guobafied 500 years ago.
The only possible relevant inference to your claim would be that Istaroth opposes Celestia and that the only reason she would oppose them is that they are the Second Who Came. While a reasonable possibility, it's not the only one.
I think she shrank twice. Once thousands of years ago when the Scarlet King incident happened (Nahida even says that the Scarlet King died long before Rhukadevata), and that the form she took was not completely a child yet, she became an archon after this event not before. This is why the statue of the seven is too small to be Rhukadevata but too large to be Kusanali, it was based on her form when she became an archon. But 500 years ago in the cataclysm she used her powers again to protect but this time she used up all her memories and was now in her child form.
like this theory so well
I wonder if having a gnosis the first time, (as it was probably not being used to power the akasha yet) helped her powers to be regained some extent.
@@readerofalltrades it probably helped to keep her memories the first time she used that power.
However since she knew she would sacrifice the last bit of her memories and that even a gnosis would not help to retain such memories.
This might be why she probably left the Akasha system to her people and also maybe why she says the phrase "world forget me" because she may have used forbidden knowledge to harness the power of the god of time, after all she is the Archon from the nation of wisdom.
I agree, I also posted a similar thought!! She definitely shrank twice and King Deshret passed away much earlier during the Archon war era.
This is also how I've assumed things happened because the timeline of the Scarlet King doesn't line up with the cataclysm.
Paimon did intentionally denied going into room which shows the past in chasm. I recon she could very well be hiding her past.
What room? I do not remember
@@_hector__ The one we went into with Itto, Shinobu, Yelan, and Yanfei. The one that Itto tried to punch open and the door wouldn't budge, but it had an opening button right next to it.
@@KethusNadroev Oh yea that one thanks
I figure either she's hiding it, she's haunted by it OR - she doesn't remember it and is scared to find out what it is
@@katcrow Or she CAN'T reveal the past. Like a program that denies access, but she's not aware of this rule instilling fear into her to not enter this place or any place that would reveal the truth. an "irrational" fear that is hard-wired into her Psyche to "protect" her.
Finally he Realised that his RUclips channel is a genshin lore channel
IKR, ngl, I do pop into his streams and I do like them for the short time that I do watch them, I just don’t have time to watch a streamers whole stream and I think most people already had preferred streamers but I still hope his channel grows in a way that he can enjoy.
He’s back! ;>
@@lightningchegg4823 exactly
2:39 King Deshret's case is separate from the Cataclysm event 500 years ago. It is heavily implied that Nahida was the result of an even more straining use of her powers in the cataclysm than helping King Deshret combating forbitten knowledge. First time she lost her adult form, then, without even fully recovering, she used all of herself, her form and memories.
Nahida was Rhukadevata's ultimate plan to deal with the forbidden knowledge, she herself was corrupted which was poisoning Irminsul, the only solution she found was to remove herself entirely from history, but only she can do that... and she couldn't find the courage to do it to herself, so she plucked the purest branch from Irminsul and cultivated it until Nahida was born, Nahida then replaces her and can ultimately destroy her and save Irminsul... though the ending of the 3.2 Archon Quest is dubious... there's implication that Dottore re-infects Nahida with forbidden knowledge, starting the cycle all anew.
@@Rexhunterj I guess you didn't notice my comment was before act 5...
@@Rexhunterj Even after act 5 you still got some things wrong and you want to correct me? It was not because Rukkha didn't had the courage, it was because it was impossible, "a kind of paradox" in Rukkha's words.
About Dottore. For him to retain the info about forbitten knowledge right after Nahida deleted the last of it, he would need to be a descender. He didn't get into contact with another descender to inform him of forbitten knowledge between the time frame of the erase and talking to Nahida. But since his info are in the Irmensul he is not a descender. So your guess is wrong.
One line stood out to me the most in this game: _"To unlock the truth of this world."_
✨I think Paimon is *THE TRUTH - THE KEY* of this world. ✨
I like the primogem thing you have going on here, cool! 👍
I'm pretty sure that the Scarlet King's death was around the time of the Archon War, considering that his modern era followers argue that Rhukkadevata betrayed him to become an Archon and usurp his title as the God of Wisdom, which would be weird if he died thousands of years after she became the first Dendro Archon and right as she was replaced by Kusanali. Especially since she didn't seem to have become as young as Nahida currently is (which, if they are in fact the same person, makes sense since whatever it was that happened in the Cataclysm seems like it was probably way more powerful than whatever the Scarlet King was sealing away) in that cutscene.
Now we all know that nahida is reborn because of “curse” knowledge, but the main question is, “What it has a connection with kkhaenriah war?”
Im gonna bet its the same knowledge that khaenriah poked into after the events in sumeru
I think Khaenrian knowledge is the forbiden one
The Khaenri'ahn sages brought Forbidden Knowledge to the godless nation, they are responsible for the fall of Khaenri'ah, all of the historical events we know of so far, all begin AFTER the king inducts the sages into his inner circle. Peirrot/Jester is known to have argued against the sages to his King, desperate to stop the folly he was watching unfold, but it was already too late, the king was corrupted. We can extrapolate that Gold (previously known to be a good, kind alchemist) learned forbidden techniques from them that led to her fall as well and the creation of Durin, the Rift Hounds and so much more. Those bio weapons were described as 'tools' she built to aid the nation's building efforts as they were supposedly building underground passages to each nation to reconnect with the surface as part of a larger infiltration plan.
The Ruin Guards are called "Field Tillers" but there's nothing about them that is meant for agricultural use.
you never ask an archon what happened in khaenriah
@@rinzzler366 They all somehow have PTSD about events of Kaenri'ah. Even veterans of Archon War like Raiden Shogun.
Just what did they see there? Paimon's power unleashed, powered by her age and memories?
I feel that Paimon is a Seelie. The game has been outright suggesting it a lot recently with dialogue. While I won't say that her being a Seelie and a shade of Istaroth are mutually exclusive, a lot of the points people use to say that Paimon is the God of Time were disproven in a really great video by CatWithBlueHat. I think she and the Traveler met in a part of Monstadt we haven't been to yet as they had been traveling prior to when we first take control of the Traveler and the scenery where the Traveler fishes up Paimon doesn't match anywhere in current Monstadt, let alone where we start the game. Likewise, Paimon doesn't pause time in Domains, coop, story quest dungeons, nor the story (it definitely would have been helpful back when the Raiden Shogun was about to strike the Traveler down).
Video by CatWithBlueHat on the theory on Paimon being the God of Time: ruclips.net/video/EPzJ3sHL9Yo/видео.html
shade of rukhadevata? lmao .NO, i dont think that paimon its a seelie , because we now know that seelies used to have horns(info from aranyaka quest) . U can even see their horns if u pay attention. As said in the video paimon was obsviously a godly being in the same situation as kusanali,guoba,etc.HOwever, i also dont believe she is the god of time.
I’d wager the world isn’t real so that’s why she doesn’t pause domains. I recall the sky isn’t real according to Scaramouche. They are in a world simulation tbh.
@@alexfirth21 yes im happy to hear u share the same theory as me. The theorists ashikai and the little onion that could , both reached at a conclusion: teyvat is a domain , more especifically a domain of consciousness. If this is true this goes above and beyond of what u said: if she is the counsciousness of this world , then this world its actually paimons consciousness and thats why she can pause the world(her consciusness ) but not the real world(the menu is called paimon menu and theres an image of paimon there). This alligness with the book sun and moon wich says that the primordial one created the world of teyvat (human realm) and the sky is actually his eggshels (and thats why its fake).
@@Th3Mystery Thanks for catching that incredibly weird typo about the Shade bit. I meant “Shade of Istaroth” and will fix it. I’m mostly referring to how I can recall at least 3 instances of her being compared to Seelies, her having a cape, her literally being a guide, and her love of Treasure all being incredibly Seelie-like. That said, which specific quest mentioned that Seelie had horns?
I don't think Paimon has completely lost her memory, but I do believe she's withholding details about her past. Somewhere in the Aranara quest she mentions how before she met the traveler, her life was pretty bland, she wasn't happy or sad, but after she met the traveler her life is exciting and happy. Her saying this definitely means she remembers at least SOMETHING about her past., even if its just emotions,
There's an error at 2:40 into the video, that is actually covered in the 3.2 Archon quest: You mentioned that G.L. Ruukadevata gave her life saving King Deshret's people 500 yrs ago, but the Archon quest states that she helped save them thousands of yrs prior. The actual time of her sacrifice was 500 yrs prior to current events, but it was during the cataclysm of Kaenriah. I'm afraid your timeline is skewed, sir.
That Nahida is Rukkhadevata is such a tragic irony; the god that the sages adores so much is right in front of them, but they don’t make the connection and mistreat her as an inferior replacement.
There are memes suggesting Paimon is actually the unknown god, but the god of time makes much more sense. Either way will be interesting if we ever get more info.
The Sages know exactly who kusanali is, and they know that she is not Rukhadevata, she is just her shard and nothing more. They are not stupid, they became sages under Rukhadevata rule which means they were worthy it, and they are practical people, they saw empty of powers and wisdom clone of their lord, and only one last use for her was akasha terminal. Rukhadevata is dead, they were left without archon capable of ruling a nation after cataclysm, and hard times created strong men, which saw even less use in weak clone of their previous archon.
I think Paimon was The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles, look at her hair clip and then back at the portal she came out of in the opening cinematic.
the sustainer is likely still out there and not only that but paimon is from teyvat and the sustainer isnt paimon is something else entirely given the sumeru quest debunks aton of theorys with its new info we got.
I have believed Paimon to be related to the god of Time for over 2 years now and with every new piece of lore we get it seems to become more and more likely. Good for me! Guess I wont ever need to rename my channel
Me too, surprisingly no one of the lore historians suspect that Paimon strained her power when she helped Makoto build Sacred Sakura Tree. I mean, it’s hella tiring to shift/replace entire timeline suddenly with Sacred Sakura Tree existing in that new timeline.
I'm still placing my bets on Paimon being a fallen Seelie, maybe even one of the three Moon Sisters but a Seelie at the very least. However, her being the God of Time or some sort of God is warranted tbf. Let's just see how HYV takes it huh
"Paimon of Time", hahahahha, great! :^D
@@eirzaa0429 I'm believing she's just a shade of the God of Time, a fragment of that God's will/ambition. The Seelie bit is true, it's the only other species in Teyvat she is similar to and the one species NO ONE knows much about in the game world. More importantly Paimon is the one who encourages us to send stray Seelies home to their courts for rewards, she herself is a glutton for treasure and adventure and the Traveler has stated that they feel a sense of familiarity with the Seelies and also a deep melancholy from them.
She’s prolly primordial one
I personally think that Paimon might just be a living seelie rather than a God of time because it makes sense that Paimon would be similar to a seelie in guiding us thru the world of teyvat.
Awesome to see another lore video from you TH! As brilliantly presented and thought out as always!
Finally!!! I've been waiting for more lore videos!
As much as I like a lot of this channel’s, and other genshin lore theorist’s theories, I personally think that Rukkhadevata and Nahida, as people, are completely different.
I am willing to entertain the thought that they might share a body, but they are completely different in individual identity.
Exhibit A: Nahida’s confinement.
Nahida wouldn’t have been imprisoned and essentially abandoned by the Akademia, had Nahida simply had the Divine Wisdom of Gods, that the Akademia idolizes.
Now you might argue that Nahida didn’t have Rukkhadevata’s memories, and thus lacked in the wisdom of Rukkhadevata. To this I present
Exhivit B: Nahida’s lack of Rukkhadevata’s memories.
In the Aranara quest it is mentioned that losing memory is essentially like dying. This would mean that if Rukkhadevata did lose all her memories, that would mean that Rukkhadevata is dead. Plain and simple.
Nahida might be in the body of the late Rukkhadevata, but I am sure that this hardly affects her identity as Nahida.
In addition to all this, I would like to present
Exhibit C: Guoba
Guoba, confirmed to be born from what remains of a god in Liyue’s past, is definitely not that same god anymore. Guoba now is just a spicy bear, living in absolute ignorance and bliss.
One factor I think highlights this. What is a human but a combination of lived experiences and memory. Am I still me if I was cloned perfectly but lacked my memory. This is essentially the situation Nahida is in.
Another point in this theory favor is that when the Tree erases everyone's memories of Rhukka, even Paimon is affected meaning she is indeed from world/plane of existence. So she can't be something like the traveler an "outsider".
Rukkhadevata saving Deshret's people was at least 2000 years ago. She was still Rukkhadevata then, just a younger/smaller/weaker version. Then she grew for another few thousand years before shrinking again during the Cataclysm 500 years ago to become Kusanali.
4 nations in and the traveler still hasn’t seriously questioned just what is Paimon?
You seem to of missed that rukkhadevata sacrificed her power and some memory to save deshrats kingdom around when the goddess of flowers died. This was BEFORE the archon wars so over 2000yearsago. In the trailer she has the form of a teenager (like fischl) bur was still herself. 500 years ago she went to 'heal irminsul' with makoto during the cataclysm/ khanria event using all her power returning again smaller to a child form with no memory. Same as gouba did when he first decided himself up then again lost more power later.
I see that other people have already brought up the complications regarding the timeline with Nahida. But that doesn't really affect the implications for Paimon. It's great to have you back!
What timeline issues? 3.2 has now cleared up any misunderstandings as the last few puzzle pieces are given to us by Rhukadevata and Nahida.
How have you already finished everything? I look forward to the clarification, but it's probably going to take me a while to complete the archon quest.
I believe there were actually TWO instances of Rukkhadevata "shrinking". First was during the Archon War (2000+ years ago) when she saved the people of King Deshret. That time she remembered he former life, and carried her memories forward. In the priest's dream, she looks much older post shrinkage. However during the Cataclysm (500+ years ago) she gave away all her power and knowledge (similar to Aranara) to save the world/Irminsul and that left her with Nahida's current form where she had no knowledge or strength of her former self. The sage's interpreted what was left here (Nahida) as a different person from her former self (no wisdom, lack of power etc) that they only thought of preserving what is left of her in the Sanctuary of Surasthana.
I definitely think this story beat is going to be repeated with Paimon as well, as the last time we saw this was with Guoba but that was an event where things can or cannot be considered canon to the lore. In Gouba's case he still remembered Zhongli to some extent.
More Speculation: I think the Sages have this mentality of preserving Nahida in whatever form she is left in and try to save irminsul themselves without putting her in more danger. She has after all saved Sumeru multiple times at this point and has barely any power left so there might be this idea of the Sages to try to act without her involvement this time around and they are getting super desperate at this point which shows their "evil" actions recently... or atleast that's what I think the story indicates to some extent. We shall see with version 3.2 if i am right on this or not..
Interesting theory, I also think that one of the smartest people in the nation of knowledge would recognise Nahida's younger self, especially if they have seen Rukkha's appearance. Maybe Sages are trying to create a new god so that he could manage Irminsul problems without involvement of Nahida and she could stay safe
Spoilers
You aren't wrong, there's a missing bit for anyone who missed it in 3.2 Archon Quest. Nahida is actually created from the purest branch of Irminsul by Rhukadevata, not a reincarnation but a brand new incarnation of the Dendro Archon. Rhukadevata claims they are the same entity but with different paths, experiences and personalities.
This likely means that Rhukadevata either has done this incarnation before and another Dendro Archon was sacrificed for the desert, OR Nahida is a brand new and special existence truly separate from Rhukadevata and the Dendro Archon of the Archon Wars.
@@Rexhunterj yeap i was wrong. The sages were assholes and too arrogant. But i do think you are right, Kusanali and Rukka were the same branch vs the OG goddess during King Deshret
I wonder what the traveler did before we meet Paimon and what we didt with her together in the 2 month before we tell her about our separation? We get to know about that in the opening cut Szene
Nahida and Rukkhadevatta are of completely different person. Nahida is just a tiny branch from the purest of irminsul that Rukkhadevatta created of her own image . She doesnt have a memory of her past because she was meant to be a greater version of herself to replace her and heal irminsul thus erasing herself in the annals of Teyvat along with the corruption that has been slowling eating Irminsul. Traveler even acknowledges that Rukkhadevatta now is completely wipeout from everyones memories exept himself.
The way I just wanted to watch some genshin lore contend and you popped up
Not only Paimon is moving when you pause the game, also some kids keep jumping or having fun. That's very sus because it was never ever patched since the game release
iirc when finding the dried Aranara seed in the chasm, Paimon says she will tell us a story from her past once we reach Sumeru. Not sure this part is made into the game at the current point of time, 3.1, though.
Great theory video as always!
My theory about Paimon goes like this
Paimon was Either The Primordial one (tho I don't really believe in this theory that strongly, but for now I'll consider this as a possibility) OR, She can be a really strong god UNDER the P. one, (One of the moon sisters?) basically! she was an important god in her past (a good one that is). it is said that the P. One was over thrown by some other powers, I assume that'd be the Unknown god, so during that war b/w this unknown god/army and the P. one.
Paimon being one of the strong/important Gods in Celestia she too was fighting and was the last one left, she then either used her Memories/powers to their limits and gave a fatal blow to the Unkown god making her weak in some way, OR she thought of not risking her life and giving herself time to heal and fight back again with force, so she fled Celestia and maybe gave away her powers for some reason OR just Like Rukkhadevata who created Nahida from the Branch of Irminsule Paimon too is created from a fraction of that powerful god Or The P. one.
The Story of the 3 moons sister is that these three moon sisters would change moons every month (like changing moons with the other one and repeat the cycle) if they stopped doing so a great calamity shall appear, and one day they didn't change (I forgot most of the part please correct me if I'm wrong in the next few lines) I believe they fought each other, after not being able to change the moons and the great calamity occurred.
Or I like to believe that, the reason why they weren't able to change their moons was that Celestia was under attack by the Unknown god, Or the unknown god might have attacked these sisters and 2 of them were killed while the third one (Paimon) escaped and shrank due to her powers being drained.
Now here comes the "The skies of Teyvat are fake" theory, why? cuz Celestia/unknown god didn't wanted the world to look at the real sky which probably was covered in blood of the war(s) that happened b/w the Celestial gods and the unknown god/her army, or maybe it's to hide the Secrets of 3 moons and the 3 sisters perhaps these mooons exist out there but they're being hidden for they have some great secret.
I'm believe in Paimon being an important god Under the P. one, just because her Name Is 'Paimon', and we know that All the gods have a Demon name and Paimon is the Demon who is the strongest among all the other demons in hell and Is under direct control of Lucifer, to put it simply Paimon is someone with great importance but just her past ofc isn't cleared. please add some more theories and let's talk about things I don't have a friend who plays genshin and is into lore, while I'm all about it but have no one to talk to :' )
3:59 its not confirmed that we found her there, we were with her for two months, as said in game, its just that the game starts there
I admire your work! Very beautiful and picturesque put the questions on the shelves. We love Paimon! I can't bear to be separated from her!
Great summary! So I believe as well Paimon sacraficed herself on a similar manner as Kusanali.
What I think Paimon did, was to somehow influence Celestia to stay silent / sealed up until present times.
Lets see in 3 years if I was correct 😉👍
Paimon will be the key to getting to/in Celestia?
I really want to see a video abt who is the heavenly principle and who are the outlanders that came before traveller
I haven't done the new 3.2 archon quest, but from all i know nahida is basically a branch from the irminsul tree.
Very interesting theory! I originally assumed that Nahida’s transformation was unique to her Dentro abilities, as the Aranara and other plant-like creatures in Sumeru share some ability to transform based on the elements around them. However, it is good to remember that a key theme of the story is alchemy, which is well known for its fabled abilities of transmutation or transformation. Either way there is a precedent set here, so it is absolutely possible and perhaps likely that Paimon used to be someone else.
dude, your delivery was very good on this one, excellent work. I agree with you on most of it, sounds very solid and I'm happy to see you view Nahida like I do, I think a lot of people don't really see her as Rukkadevada herself but rather like a clone of her, but I see this as incorrect after seeing what all happens with the aranara as well. Looking forward to more content from you brother, have a good one!
I find the theory of paimon being a seelie, not the husks we usually find and follow, more plausible.
Imo similarity between Nahida and Paimon is a chekov's gun. I don't think Paimon is related to what happend with Rukhiavada, but instead a hint that she did something similar.
Nahida says that the Irminsul has no information about the traveler since he is from another world. However, if Paimon is from Teyvat, then shouldn't there be information about her? Is the information so insignificant that it isn't even worth mentioning by Nahida? Or is it that it is skipped on purpose, like a lot of characters we meet don't question the existence of Paimon and her nature? It just puzzles me, if I were Paimon and didn't know my origins, I would definitely ask.
makes you thinks that the archons who knows who she actually is but just dont want to say it
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I have another theory about Paimon. And it is such that Paimon was one of the Gods of Celestia but was expelled for some crime against the Heavenly Principles by the Supreme God of Celestia and no, I'm not talking about Asmodeus (aka the Unknown God), her title is only the Sustainer and not the creator, which suggests that she only protects and carries out the orders of the Supreme God, the Unknown God, according to my guesses, only serves the Heavenly Princes and the Leader of Celestia, I also think that during the cataclysm, performing her duties, the Unknown God most likely lost most of her power, possibly take off her memory and turned into a little girl and now she wanders around Taivat not knowing who she is and what happened to her, and it is possible that somewhere closer to the plot of Keanria'ha, the traveler will meet her in a weakened form and without memory, perhaps according to the plot she will regain her memory and eventually turn into a protégé of her ex the chief, then Leader Celestia, and if there is a region of Celestia, she will be a guide character there and it turns out that Paimon is also from Celestia, but was expelled and deprived of strength in punishment for some misconduct, but these are just my fan theories and until it is proven or this is only a theory, so no offense, okay. I just have a feeling that all of the current main antagonists are just a way to hide the main villain of the game for the time being - Fatui, the Evil Twin, the Unknown God, is just an enticing money maker, and towards the end they will show the real Final Boss.If anything I apologize for bad English
Paimon is a medium for us to be able to interact with this world
Paimons similarities to seelies lead me to believe that she isn't the God of time. From the guiding, educating, treasure obsessing, and shape of her being so similar to what we know of seelies I just can't say she's the God of time. Perhaps tied to her, though.
Although she certainly has many time connections. Just, go to the time menu look at it and then look at Paimons eyes. I never even noticed until Paimons said something along the lines of "Time passes in a blink of an eye." Spent about 15 minutes wondering if I was reading in too deep of if the time clocks are actually her eyes.
Maybe the god of time wanted to go to a future where there was no Archon war and turned into Paimon since she used too much power. And the reason she ended up in the sea could be because Venti dragged a ton of land into the sea. Probably along side where the god of time was at the time she time traveled.
could paimon have been the reason the travelers were sent down to teyvat so far apart time wise? Maybe their arival could have caused some sort of problem and paimon used all their power to send one forward in time so they could prevent what ever could have happened.
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Yes, originally set up by Guoba's story in the cooking event.
graeter lord rukkadevata proceeded imansull from forbidden knowledge from the abyss and that knowledge is also reason the imansull was polluted and she is connected to imansull so her consciousness is the reason stayed corrupted and needed a new soul from imansull to free her.
I know that the video was before 3.2 update but still I wanted to clear up the louse threads in your video
Its great to see you come back
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Also, i recently replayde the mondstadt questline, and the first time you wait for the next night to enter dilucs tavern, it was said it was paimons power
i believe that paimon isn’t one of the shades of the primordial one but the primordial one herself. and the sustainer of heavenly principles is one of of the four shades of paimon
Does this make the twins the other two shades of Paimon?
@@ziephel-6780 not sure
The idea that Paimon was the goddess of time has been around for many years now. Hard to confirm. They do seem to keep the secrets in this game JUST out of reach, as it should be.
🌸😹I would not be so hesitant to utter Paimon is of false tongue about her past, but I must admit, I adore the numerous “Paimon The Betrayer” theories out there.😹🌸
She's definitely not a betrayer. 3.2 dropped some new stuff and revealed a huge lore bit at the end of it so I won't spoil too much but I will directly mention what was said about Paimon.
Paimon is native to Teyvat, she also is special, different to the other beings in Teyvat, similar to the Traveler. The Traveler is fateless, meaning Destiny cannot shape our path as a player, we go where we please and Destiny must react to OUR whims. Paimon has no memories prior to meeting the Traveler, Nahida confirms this for us and this clears Paimon of any suspicion we had, she really is our companion and best friend we can rely on for anything.
This could be a 'red herring' but in one of the world quests (I think its the one with the disguised fatui agents that want to leave) Paimon is explicitly called a seelie -- that makes me think that Paimon's connection to the seelies and their lore is stronger than the god of time/kairos/phanes connection. Honestly she could be connected to both and this doesn't prevent her from having 'shrunk' like Rhukadevata/Kusanali and Gouba, I just think there's more evidence for the seelie connection with her design/lore similarities and nicely explains why npcs don't question her existence/presense.
Paimon: who els but the owner of a house greets thr guest and show them around.
You should play CrisTales. It goes a bit into what may happen to living things were their time altered. Very similar concept in regards to the de-aging here.
Im 99% sure that paimon is a seelie maybe the seelie princess but unsure of that
Okay... This back to back theories from theory channels about Nahida and Paimon just made me conjure up my own theory :
It's quite a bummer with the last 2 sundial because it's lock behind area that we have to wait 2 to 3 year before we can found it.
what about in the heizou quest where he refers to paimon as a "voice" and said he'd never seen one before
it was quite unexpected to here that fishel’s name is one of the demon names
Amazing video once again teyvat!!
while I do think Paimon "is" the Unknown God or some other similar being, I don't believe she's actively lying to us.
Paimon from day 1 has always been VERY similar to Higokumaru from Honkai and is as such only a fragment from the previous being. Higokumaru was the last remaining piece of "good" within the Herrcher Of The Corruption and truly did not know what she was until a later event restored her memory and when she found out it almost broke her
great video TH! i definitely think there’s credence to the theory that Paimon expelled a great deal of power and lost most if not all of her memories/powers in a way similar to Kusanali/Rukkhadevata! personally i don’t think Paimon is intentionally hiding her past/true identity from the Traveller and just simply does not retain those memories just like how Nahida (as of 3.1) has no idea that she WAS Rukkhadevata….
like you said in the video it will probably be a LONG time before we get any solid answers about who/what Paimon is but the little bits of info we have right now are hard to ignore!
@teyvathistoria whenever the traveler becomes silent it definitely indicates he's thinking on a deeper level and realizes a few things that others don't see. I bet Al haitham hasn't connected the dots between Mahira and ruka because nobody knows what she even looks like.
Small mistake in the timeline, Scarlet king died over a thousand years ago; cataclysm was 500 years ago and the greater Lord disappeared during the cataclysm.
While the theory does still make sense, the greater Lord would have to regenerate her form until she was nearly full force again, but something caused her to lose that form again during the cataclysm.
There is also another god you kinda forgot about, that shares this same trait of forgetting their past, shrinking, and becoming a lot weaker. The god of Stoves, Gouba. The fact that Nahida is another repetition of that same theme, it seems to me, an innate power of the gods. Not to mention the rule of 3 is in play for this theme now.
I didn't meant it to be negative but at same time of your video, Islandxd also posted similar video about paimon true identity theory, I find that more believing that your theory. Either it be paiman being the true God phanos as name genshin is or just one of the shades of phanos. great job on your theories.
Hope you are doing well. Everybody needs breaks
That aranara green flower shield reminded me of shirou from fate/heaven feel movie, exactly the same move
oh yeah! finally a dedicated lore channel!!
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Additionally from the 3.2 Sumeru Archon quest, it was actually found that Nahida is not actually "Greater Lord Rukkhadevata" herself but a part/version of her being a pure manifestation of Greater Lord Rukkhadevata excluding the forbidden knowledge.
maybe all of the archon stories is shared with paimon.. venti even mentioned time and winds. my guess is paimon is related to every archon story but before the destruction
if genshin impact ends its going to be a tear jerker involving paimon
I know it's probably just a game mechanic but every time everyone in the team falls you go back and respawn with half you hp on each character
I also have a theory about the traveler and their sibling I think that they were not separated by time when they were sealed but that ( I choose Ather as the protagonist) Lumine pleaded with pimon to send thier sibling to the future to protect them from the aftermath of Khrena because he did not have any allies to really on but Lumine did the people of Khnrea and that is why pimon was so close to us when we woke up and sending them to the future cost her a lot of power and her memory as archon because if she forgot everything then how could she be a guide for us if she is learning everything for the first time.
We did learn Nahida's Goetic name, though.
Scaramouche called Nahida by the name Buer, which is indeed another demon's name, but from a tome closely related to the Ars Goetia, the Pseudomonarchia Daemonum.
So we can add Nahida = Buer.
Paimon’s hairstyle LOOKS JUST LIKE the princess of the kingdom of darkness (in the battle pass) , like come on … it is the only gender-accurate theory regarding her and we be knowing by now that Hoyo doesn’t do coincidences ☺️
I thought Paimon was the last uncursed Seelie…
No confirmation of that exists. Most information on Paimon is pasted along the rumor mill much like this video as unconfirmed theory.
No theories (including my own) should ever be seen as objective fact.
This theory makes a lot more sense for it to be that Paimon doesn’t remember because she wiped her slate clean
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Paimon flies, time flies. How dis we miss this haha
We saw the exact thing with Guoba. He sacrificed his powers and size in fighting a calamity. He went dormant, woke up chibi, memoryless and without much power.
His was due to erosion too though, his slumber while eroding is why he has no more memories and is barely intelligent. We're told by Madam Ping that it's his well-earned rest. Remember that Zhongli's concerns are that of watching his ancient loved ones succumb to erosion like Azdaha did. Guoba's sacrifice came at a time when it was needed most and when he would be needed least afterwards.
@@Rexhunterj Zhongli and Ei both are prone to going thru erosion. It's just neither have started showing signs. Ei's whole reason of making a doll was to get rid of her physical body in the hopes of staving off erosion. Both of them tell the traverler, as long as he knows their stories and remembers, they will live on even after death. Death in Teyvat is equivocated with the loss of all memory, not biological termination. Memory is returned to the Irminsul trees after biological death.
One thing now 2 years later. Paimon and The Traveler meet Ranova but Ranova says nothing of Paimon
I'm excited for this video because it seems other theorycrafters of Genshin are slowly catching up to the theory that Inotia King came up with a long while ago. That might be a sign that it's being proven true. If you guys like IslandXD and Ashikai too could work together I'm sure you'll uncover all the secrets. And it could be cool to see you guys discuss this stuff given all you've figured out already.
Hey Teyvat Historia! Just wanted to let you know that we do know Nahida/Kusanali's God name! It's Buer as revealed in leaked voice lines from the archons talking about her.
Buer is a President in the Ars Goetia who teaches Natural, Moral Philosophy, Logic, and the uses and qualities of all different herbs and plants, as well as being able to heal afflictions.
Very much Lines up with Nahida, her sort of healing dunyazard to keep her in stasis during the Samsara, Being Related to dendro obviously, and being incredibly wise with her weird analogies lmao.
Have you noticed that whenever we ask the archons about what happened in the past, paimon is always there.
It also reminded me of avengers end game
Strange: If I tell you it won't happen
Many ppl don't seen to notice that nahida knows who paimon is but she didn't hid it. More like she said it but traveler just never asked what the irmunsul saved of paimon
i never thought paimon as a unknown god. but the moment we learned about god of time in enkanomiya i then thought she could be the god of time and wind. i don't think she is primordial one that's for sure. another thing and it's pretty common but you know paimon is the one who always tell us what to do and when to like she giving us direction and we reach there in the accurate time. there's many things i wanna say but it will become whole essay. but yeah genshin lore goes real deep it's so deep i sometimes think we never gonna learn anything 🗿
There is more clues as to paimon being the primordial one than the God of time imo, remember paimon is named after the demon king paimon from the ars goetia, the strongest demon
Not to mention, if she did loose her powers, she probably lost it when she lost control of Celestia against the second who came
Paimon literally had the same attributes n appearance as primordial one
@@Iyala-iyala yeah her crown is the important part. I'm sure she will be someone very important but not as higher being as primordial one. Traveler trust paimon too much and never question about her origin nor the people of teyvat that we encountered so far. Mihoyo literally keeping the secret real hard
@@destructor6400 she has the exact same crown as the primordial, she’s androgynous in nature and her cape is literally wings she fits the primordial one description
@@destructor6400 all artifacts represent PO + Shades an the circlet is for the primordial one. Paimon is the only character we’ve seen that dares wear a crown (besides BP story)
I think she sac;d her power to put the sustainer, the second to come, into a statis, which is why celestia is so quiet.
SORRY FOR BEING SO LATE TO THE VIDEO TEYVAT
When paimon said "its Paimon Time" this started genshin impact
Paimon being the archon of time make sense actually since we can skip time using paimons powers in the game.
Delicious lore, thank you.
Another reason I think why memories have played such a strong role in the stories of Sumeru is due to Sumeru's and the Dendro Archon's ties to Irminsul. It is literally the nexus of Teyvat's Ley Lines, which house the collective memories of Teyvat. (I believe this is what the Aranara are referring to when they refer to "Sarva").
This video has the gears in my head turning and I think I might be on to something. Supposing for a moment that Nahida was formerly Rukkhadevata and Paimon was formerly Istaroth...what if the power she needed to expend (that turned her into the Paimon of today) was so great that it wasn't just her own memories that were lost (to the Ley Lines, I'm assuming) but also the people of Teyvat's memories of Istaroth, as well? The only people we know are aware of Istaroth in the present day are Ei and Yae, and I'm willing to believe that they're an exception due to them not being human.
Which also makes me think of the message in Irminsul. "World...forget me." What if that message has something to do with the possibility that this expenditure of power also has the potential for the world to forget them, as well? Which, I'm also just now remembering how people always thought Zhongli was God of the Stove. What if that's because everyone but "higher beings" forgot Marchosius ever existed after he expended his power, becoming Guoba?
So I won't spoil much from 3.2 if I can but:
Nahida is literally the creation through Alchemy of Rhukadevata from the "purest branch of Irminsul" which means that while Nahida and Rhukadevata are related technically (similar soul or the same soul going through different experiences) Nahida is a new and different Rhukadevata, not the same and never will be.
To do this, Rhukadevata had to essentially burn her entire life force and memories but even then she couldn't fully do it, hence why we hear "World... Forget me..." as she couldn't fully erase herself.
If Paimon is an incarnation of Istaroth (which is weird as Paimon is a demons name) then she too likely sacrificed her powers and memories of herself... maybe Istaroth was corrupted by forbidden knowledge too? Or tainted by the Abyss? We know that the disaster of Khaenri'ah was much worse than reality seems to remember it. Ei describes the day as the end of the world, black-red skys, miasma and abyssal mud everywhere, monsters crawling out of the ground, through rifts, etc.
Liyue's Millileth sacrificed themselves at the Chasm to contain the threat posed to the nation, yet modern Teyvat doesn't seem completely ravaged by a horrific world ending war against the gods... It seems like Istaroth's sacrifice was so great because she had to heal so much damage... Paimon is all that is left, a small fragment of a once great, benevolent god?
What if the travelers are the primordial one that has been splitted by the other gods because they wanted the powers of elements all for themselves?? Maybe after dividing the primordial one they have doomed the travellers to travel forever for worlds. Then they returned to Teyvat without their memories and are now doing what they are doing because they were the primordial one in the past.
Nahidas demonic name is Buer and the hydro archons is Focalors
The problem I have with this theory is that Paimon wasn't fished out from the shore we start the game on, the background looks nothing like the tutorial area, and it is said that they traveled for 2 months prior to the start of the game. Having said that I do believe that Paimon went through a similar process of "shrinking" but I'm not sold on the idea that she is the god of time (yet)
How did he talk about " using power becoming small " and not at all mention guoba🤔