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my theory is that paimon is related to sillie(who guide for chest) because she also guide traveler. She may be god but not for humans, she is somehow related to sillie.
I think Paimon's true purpose might be similar to Elysia's in Honkai Impact 3d. She can be the child of God (Primordial One), like Jesus Christ, that will sacrifice herself for humanity (Teyvat). She already has the power of the 9th element, look at her chest and the universal dice in TCG - it's the same triquetra. She could be the exact reason why MC is able to use all the elements. 9th element is called Kether or The Crown, which is what we see above Paimon's head... Coincidence? I don't think so. Yes, I said 9th because 8th element is Physical, it's called Malkhuth. Tree Of Life in Kabbalah consists of 11 elements in total, so we're still missing 2 - Daath and Yesod.
don't you think that Genshin is more inspired of Gnosticism ? and also, now that im typing it i think it can be both, because Gnosis means knowledge in greek.... hmmmm
For being a Gacha game, people really don't give enough credit to how deep the lore of this game is. Seriously, I can't fathom the amount of research that went into building the lore of Genshin. Edit: yall I don't give a damn if yall like a different gacha game better lmao go play it then
the world building, sound design, character and environment design are all solid. At this point, it's promotions towards the game and in game events are a cultural phenomena. It's amazing to see
Because its a gacha game with way worse % to hit a 5 stars compared to other gacha games, thus good lore and music are needed to keep this kind of gacha game alive.
I want to add a couple of things I noticed: 1. When you go to the secret island on the quest, you use the elemental vision to find elemental traces, these are in the form leaves. This suggests that both Venti and the Dendro archon were responsible for "sealing" someone there (probably the god of time). 2. If Paimon is the god of moments (or something related to it), then you see how perfectly Makoto's words match what's happening: Paimon *had* to be there for the seed to be planted.
It could also explain why the time surges happened on the second entry and not the first. Her being there on the first arrival may have triggered the time anomaly
@@quantumfang2185 yes! It would also make all the time shenanigans in the Shogun quest make much more sense as it would then not be the powers of Makoto or Ei that caused it, but Paimon.
@@loick5378 9:24 "Time extends into infinity; Dreams illuminate each moment within When both shine in unison..." I think Time/moments are a reference to Paimon, and Dreams could refer to the traveler. But that is a loose interpretation.
It occurs to me that her entire quest for a refrigerator so that her fruit would stay fresh until she wants to eat it again could be considered evidence that this is, in fact, her divine principle.
holy shit wait you have a point- what if hoyoverse keeps pushing the emergency food thing because paimon's fate is tied to the concept of emergency food: having something that's always there that you know you'll have when the time comes that you need it most
Now that I think of it, she always wants mora, but never really storms it on anything (since the only material thing she really cares about are food and drink, but she's got the Traveler to make her gourmet food at any random campfire pot and stove they come across), so it's like she's just storing away cash in an emergency fund until the moment it becomes necessary.
I like this theory. I have a theory of my own, though. I think Paimon wound up in the water because she fell (was kicked) from the floating island in the sky. She was maybe some kind of deity of that place, and the other deities banished her for whatever reason. By chance the traveller fished her out, told her his story and she realized they have something in common. They both have a grudge with the heavenly beings. She is too weak to get back at them on her own, so she needs the travellers help. She's using him.
Paimon knew that the situation in Inazuma "wasn't that bad a year ago" during the end of Liyue's archon quest... Thus she had to be around at least for a year before getting rescued by the traveler. You could argue she had some memory of all the things since she is a special case but I still don't buy It. Not to mention the place in wich we fish her out doesn't resemble any scenary we can see in mondstadt... It must be in mondstadt but maybe not directly in front of the nameless island (I think it's north of mondstadt by the sea but we can't go there yet). Also the fishing happens 2/3 months before the start of the game, they must have moved locations in that time span.
In the Genshin Manga isn't Venti referring to other real life mythos? Pangu being Chinese, Purusha being Indian and Ymir being Nordic? I assume so just because before he talks about that he says "in other, distant worlds"
@@noharijanto the spiral abyss reset says that the cycle is eerily similar to another world, that world being ours and the cycle being our lunar cycle, bc teyvat doesn't have phases of the moon, as the moon we see is a corpse of one of the three moon goddesses So yes, I'm pretty sure it's canon that it's a parallel world to ours
Looking at Zhongli's second story quest. We find Azhdaha's spirit and mind has essentially splintered into two separate beings. I have a hunch that Paimon might be a splinter of a similar being.
well dainslief said it come forth if you know the meaning of your journey if you are the one to protect her , who is the her he's talking of ? could it be the god of time , to set it back on track
Well to put it simply, he was talking about Lumine. You can see Aether alone near the end of that video, even though hoyo said that "both or canon" whatever.
@@darkneko972 well what I thought to but makes no sense as we play as lumine or aether , so would mean I think of the death of the sibling we are not playing , which I doubt they have in mind as an end
You said that paimon might have to best someone in order to get the gnosis, could the potential competitor be the unknown god sustainer? Bcoz they have many unexplained things in common, their dress is kinda similar, their character designs are similar too. On contrast their behaviour is opposite, paimon show range of emotion while sustainer seems like dead serious.
Most of the users are adults. They had responsibilities. So, wouldn't have much time to dive deep into the lore. Gacha game are aimed towards busy adults anyway.
also the sustainer sent the twins to different times. she has some amount of control over time. like how paimon menu lets you change the time they both have some amount of control over time so it makes sense
@@Jin_world_changer if that's the case, then it could be that only one of them will ascend to god status and recieve gnosis. Also sustainer being space god is very likely if u think about(if paimon actually turns out to be god of time/moments) bcoz both space and time are associated almost like one cannot exist without other. So two closely associated gods with one motive makes it more exciting.
@@anaelkarthik she didn’t sends them 500 years apart, the twins woke up 500 years apart, the traveler was just sleeping I think. But istaroth could just sent them 500 years apart ? Since it’s theorise that he might be like the unknown god, a shade of the primordial one
I got chills when you explained Kairos relation to "the perfect moment". Good stuff, definitely will keep these things in the back of my mind while playing!
great video as always, one problem though, i am pretty sure the place we fished paimon out of water is guyun stone forest, specifically yaoguang shoal, observing the grass type and sharply cut rock formations in the background. It might just be for the *aesthehtic purposes though for a nice first impression since yaogoang shoel is a very pretty landscape
Paimon is the name of one of the demons/spirits in these texts and describes their abilities as such, they know of all the affairs in the world, can fly and breathe underwater, are able to summon other spirits, and can force visions upon others.
I really agree with you. One other thing about time. Some sort of time travel, but also the length of time. The 500 year marker that is in the game is when Khaenri’ah fell. Many of the things in the lore happened thousands to hundreds of years prior to that time.
Well, the traveler didn't fish paimon in that spot in the beginning of the game. Here's why: First, he found her 2 months before that scene. 2nd, the background of the picture of the traveler fishing paimon isn't in that place.
1:46 i might be mistaken but I think it’s actually the traveller asking about Celestia right there. Because it’s the moment when we Venti’s story is over and we come back to the present moment when he’s talking to Aether.
Ymir was a god in Norse mythology he was the “original” came before everything including the world. He created some humans who were ,I believe, later killed by his newer creations. The the creator god himself was to be killed by those same creations and his corpse being used to make the world. Just thought it was interesting that he was mentioned as the clouds. Edit: I did some more research into Ymir and well 1. His brains did indeed get thrown into the sky and turned into the clouds 2. His skull (which was thrown ig up first bc there was no sky) made the sky 3. His blood made the seas and lakes 4. His unbroken bones made mountains 5. His broken bones and teeth made stones rocks and sometimes boulders 6. He made hundreds of ice dudes and he’s also Odin’s grandfather 7. He somehow (found?) a cow who then licked a stone into the shape of a human that then gained sentience
Before Sun and Moon also mentions a 2nd god that came to Teyvat after Phanes. I assume the the 2nd who came is the Unknown God from the opening cut scene. The book also hinted that the Unknown God vanquished Phanes and started to impersonate Celestia. It also explains why all these ancient civilizations died out although they had a god looking after them. And it also explains why Scaramouche's the-sky-is-a-lie thing. The Celestia of the present is not the same one of the past. The Gnosis, I believe, are actually pieces of Phanes. The Archon War was orchestrated to separate the powers without any hope of them consolidating into a singularity. And Visions are granted to those with potential -- the potential that they can overthrow Celestia. It is already revealed itself to be a double-edge sword: those with their vision relinquished so too lose their drive. As for Khaenriah, the reason for the Calamity 500 years ago was because Celestia feared the nation's power. Khemia was a type of alchemy that could allow Khaenriah to become an entity that could rival Celestia. And thus it was destroyed thru divine intervention before it could become a threat. This also explains why Snezhnaya's Archon is currently collecting the Gnosis. Down with Celestia. We also know that the event changed her drastically -- Childe describing her as a loving person who had to steel her heart. Now to explain the starting sequence of Genshin Impact. The reason why the Twins were caught in their attempt to world jump was because: They did so during the Khaenriah Calamity, when the Unknown God was most observant, and that the Twins very well had the potential to overthrow the Unknown God's claim on Celestia. The Twins would very much well be on par with the Archons (if not greater) if their powers were completely sealed (able to use all the elements without a vision, lived for 500 years even if it was in slumber). And you are probably right about Paimon. Explains the time skip feature in the Paimon menu at the very least. She is probably the key to consolidating all the Gnosis into a single item.
Idk why people keep assuming Paimon and the Traveler met each other in that beach at the start of the game. Unless I'm missing something I'm pretty sure one of the first things Paimon says at the start is that several months have passed since they first met each other and I can't think of a reason they would stick around that one spot for months on end, especially when they were so close to a city. Another thing to mention is that I'm pretty sure there is some dialogue/ voice lines in the game between the Traveler and Paimon that implies that the Traveler has been going around from place to place while looking for books to presumably gain more knowledge and information. That being the case that can only imply that the Traveler and Paimon have already gone through other different places before the start of the game officially (before reaching Mondstat I mean).
I think Paimon was a moon sister who lived in Celestia. The Gods of Celestia killed her sisters one day for trying to rebel against them. One of the moon sister's spirit can be heard singing/crying in domains. The Gods either spared Paimon or Paimon agreed to do their bidding to avoid death. After the opening cutscene I think Sustainer returned to Celestia or was taken forcefully after the Gods had seen what had happened between her and the travelers. I think it was planned by Celestia for Paimon to wait for the traveler to wake up by their side and had the plan to pretend to drown when the moment arrived, so she could avoid seeming suspicious. The traveler seemed to trust Paimon enough to begin the journey with her. However as we know, Paimon is the one not letting traveler stray to far from the regions we've unlocked and always says "let's explore the area ahead later" as if she is stalling the traveler from finding the sibling. Paimon also foreshadows they will not meet a happy ending and get to go home. It's weird how she always talks traveler into doing meaningless quests which have no relation to finding the lost sibling. Paimon in lore can copy other's powers and can basically clone people/objects. It explains how she used the Sustainer's red cubes during the Jade Chamber battle. Also it's confirmed the characters we summon for are not the main story characters themselves, but rather "dream versions" copied by Paimon. Basically everything in the Paimon menu has to do with her cloning and time powers. Paimon in lore can extract the spirits of people and make copies of them, potentially being fatal to the originals. There is likely a connection between Paimon and Albedo/Albedo's evil copy, and during the Albedo Dragonspine event she foreshadows her and the traveler will split up in a devastating way.. maybe she means her future betrayal. Celestia may use Paimon to clone the traveler or clone his powers of being able to hop worlds as well as his immortality. Then the Celestia Gods can control and travel through the entire bubbleverse rather than just Teyvat. Paimon may also decide to sacrifice herself rather than going along with the Gods' plan, so she may end up letting them kill her for not going through with it, or she will fight them alongside the traveler. For now it seems like she is spying on the traveler while Celestia spies on the two of them, and her job is to actually prevent the traveler from getting to be with his sister by leading him to places to look for her, although Paimon knows she is very far from where they search. If the traveler woke up and Paimon wasn't there, he may have already reunited with his sibling. Not to mention Paimon breaks the fourth wall when you open the Paimon menu and she is floating there while staring at you (the player) with an annoyed/angered expression on her face. I think everything we do in the game is wrong, like using dream versions of cloned original characters and we are fighting on the wrong side. The other sibling seems to know this which is why they have know desire to go near the traveler and the sibling may know much more about Paimon than we do.
@Xx-raZ0r_pup-xX nope, go watch the opening scene again, the traveler literally says the line "...right up until i met you two months ago" to paimon. and its also worth noting that flash back shown of paimon getting fished up is in an entirely different location.
Ever since that long discussion during the stream about this, is was anxious for the full video… and you surpassed every expectation. As always! Looking forward for more… can’t wait for what Sumeru might bring.
I feel that if u get all the power of all 4 shades of phanes, you get the he primordial one.Also I think that when the Tseritas gets all 8 elements together, pimon will be possessed and that will be the great betrayal,that one quest was talking about.
Speaking of Tseritas don't you think some of her harbingers are sus and are trying to actives they own goal in the organisation,Tartaglia is mainly out for battles and trying to get stronger to be on par with the travler like he is our rival and is trying to master the bow it's most likely for the abyss,he also the first harbingers to make an ally with the travler,Scaramouche is the best example of this he was an puppet without an heart cause his mother Ei Raiden abandoned him left to warders the land and join the fatui since they fun to be around and then in the Inazuma chapter we last saw him in the delusion factory,he nearly kill the travler but than Yea Miko show up and give him the gnosis, than in the library warrior event Tartaglia says he searching for him as he had gone rogue.
Many of the Archons have familiars. Even Venti had to become an archon to become an archon, he wasn't born as one. He even gives that to us as part of his story. Now we get to see the new dendro archon learning to be an archon. Perhaps it's a lot simpler than we're thinking. Maybe this is just Paimon's ascension to becoming the archon she's supposed to be and the Traveler was chosen in the moment to be her guardian/familiar. Like whatever deity the twins encountered in the beginning was just like, "alright one of you is going to babysit my daughter." And the one we didn't pick ends up being the asshole with no friends. There are certain species within fantasy that are born with the memories of their parents and maybe in Paimon's case those memories aren't actually being sparked until she's started going to places. Or she has been there before, but she was in a different, more larval form, like Venti was before he became Barbatos. Perhaps she's just a child like Lesser Lord Kusanali, but her element has been missing from the world for so long that even the current archons haven't heard of it, or could be part of the secret Rex Lapis is hiding from us. I wonder if the abyss twin had a hard go of things because they ended up with evil Paimon during their walkabout, or maybe they had no guide at all. My personal theory is Paimon is just a fledgling archon. She has shown to be ridiculously durable, has a very childish personality, and is hungry all the time which tells me she's definitely not an adult. She can also make herself disappear into nothing and then reappear when needed. Which would make sense, since a lot of the gods during the archon war ended up dead on account of being too weak to defend themselves and it has been shown that new archons have popped up since then. What if when Paimon disappears for us she reappears for the other twin? Why else would the other twin not be surprised to see Paimon? If we go by the chess piece theory we've got the back line giving us, what, 8 pieces? We've got dendro, hydro, anemo, pyro, cryo, electro, geo and one missing piece. What if there's actually two and they have to fight over which one gets it? Abyss and Light. What if, just like in Enkanomiya they're interchangeable, like how the Traveler can switch between the other 7 just by visiting a shrine? I'm probably missing some key bit of information here and I'm probably completely wrong, but it's a fun exercise anyway.
When you mentioned "Moment" and is related to TIMING Rather than time itself. I remember that the other sibling told us he or she is up against the DESTINY. My only concern is why the other sibling doesn't interact with Paimon when they first reunite. Mona and scaramouch and the unreconciled stars has something to do also with the term "Destiny" on these game and those two are also significant on unlocking the mysteries behind these
I am 90% certain that as little, floaty treasure-obsessed beings, Paimon is related to the seelies. Possibly god, possibly queen, possibly just what they used to look like. What I find to be a major clue is that when successfully fishing, Paimon will make comments, and one of those comments sounds like a genuine belief you may have fished up another Paimon. This leads me to believe she is not unique. This would also explain why the seelies you see around the place do not lead any of Teyvat's random inhabitants to their treasure... They aren't even leading the Traveller, they're leading their God-Queen, Paimon!
My headcannon now is that paimon will be the archon of trust because similar to how she guides the traveller, it is only wise to trust the path time leads you through
considering every element has an archon, and dainslief is confirmed to be playable, i think maybe paimon was originally the archon of the element of dainsleifs power, or the archon/leader of khaenriah. since dainslief will have an element, and his element is currently unruled, paimon could have been the disposed archon or leader of khaenriah. i think it makes more sense than paimon being some form of miss heavenly principles or some other abyssal being. obviously there's no evidence, but i think there may be more to the so called "archonless nation" than we thought. maybe the leader of khaenriah was similarly dealt with like dain and possibly kaeya, where they didn't become monsters, but instead became forced to wander teyvat in a different form.
Watching this video after seeing a video abt the piecing together of the script that is different in every world being pieced together from the chasm. parallel worlds, along with the god of time, microcosms- it seems like the next interesting view i should take with the game’s lore
Towards the end of the vid you said someone must ascend to claime the gnosis and some where in Travlers info it talks about him/her having to ascend in the future, maybe just maybe it will be travler
Funny thing, Paimon in the book of Solomon (which is also where the names Barbatos, Morax, Baal, & Beelzebub come to us from) has the power of being able to stay under water indefinitely and is ranked one of the kings of hell.
during the interaction with Benben, Paimon said she would have stayed floating in the sea if it wasn't for Traveler. Indicating that she was in the sea because she was too hungry that she could not float in the air anymore. also this video recommendation is creepy since i took a screenshot of when she said the line and i shared it to a what'sapp group telling more or less the same thing and now this video got recommended to me.
You know those thingys that you use for leveling statue of the seven? You always have a extra one and I thing at end game when we get all 7 extra we will use them
There's another video, and I'm not sure if it's legitimate theorycrafting or shitposting, but he makes a very convincing argument that Paimon is the Primordial One. This could tie in with your idea about the Tsaritsa collecting the gnosis to resurrect the Primordial One, in that if all the gnosis are given to Paimon, it could perhaps awaken her back into the Primordial One.
I think it is more likely the songs venti sings talk about the seven sovereigns. He tells how their bodies became the world. The ones he talks about all have names from a different culture, and the thing they became can be related to the seven nations. There's a video about this if you're interested called 'naming the seven sovereigns'.
The game sometimes make me believe that it takes place on a flat planet, one side is teyvat, other side facing down is Kaenriah, and the fake sky is actually created by Celestia acts as a barrier to disguise themselves because they're the evil now, they don't want anyone to face them. The 7 archons might be trying to ascend to celestia with the Paimon (the real primordial one in it's weakened state) and the traveler (whose help is essential for them since traveller has the ability to use elemental energy without a vision) and defeat the one's who pretend to rule now. Since visions are not given by the respective archons, they should be from celestia. Since the celestia can withdraw visions any time, those who rely upon vision's power will prove useless against the fake celsestial gods, that's why the fatuis developed delusions, but they have negative effects on the person using it. Sometime in the future, they might develop resistance to delusion's negative effects. We don't know if it happens or not. Have anyone wondered why in spiral abyss we fight with fatuis too. Are they working with the abyss? The abyss themselves are the people of Kaenriah. They attack teyvat, possibly be a plan to ascend to celestia. They somehow want to destroy the fake sky and reveal celestia so they can ascend to celestia. Anyway the traveler could use elemental energy without vision or delusion, not only traveler, Dainsleif, the other sibling, the people of Kaenriah. Since they got so advanced, it's the reason why Kaenriah got destroyed by the fake celestial gods. They feared Kaenriah. The reason why Tsaritsa is collecting all the gnoses could be a plan to ascend to celestia, by destroying the fake sky. There are chances that these gnoses are responsible for the fake sky, and like visions, gnoses too can't be destroyed in any way. This means there's currently no way to destroy the fake sky, unless Tsaritsa seize all the 6 visions and there could be a way. Snezhnaya is so advanced, similar to Kaenriah. Eventhough the archons have evil biblical names, they might not be evil. May be they might have been evil in the past, when they had gnoses and were puppets of celestia. But now the archons give up their gnoses willingly to Tsaritsa. At last, once the fake celestial gods are defeated, Paimon isn't the same paimon anymore. May be Paimon can undo the curse upon the abyss. This is just a theory. My wish to end this story, because I don't want a fight against Paimon.
I like the idea that time is the 8th Element with Paimon eventually becoming the archon of it (if only for a while), I was also thinking about how we still don't know what Dain manipulates, as the final chapter teased wasn't tied to a specific element and the region was the abyss. Now IDK how time/space abilities would work but I know I want to see it lol
I mean traveller must know about paimon (we don't know yet) ... it blows my mind that a world hopping traveller just lets some floating fairy follow them around all the time. Also paimon always says she's from teyvat and she knows all these things, but everywhere we go people dont know who or even what paimon is...
Hmm no idea if there's any importance but in the places where the shades in dragonspine and the ground in the time god island has a symbol like interconnected chain links. Paimon also has a similar symbol on her outfit, and the old CBT before Genshin was released had intertwined fates and acquaint fates that looked exactly like the one on Paimon's outfit.
Barbatos: God of freedom Morax: God of contract Shogun: God of eternity Kusanali: God of wisdom (if its IS) Paimon: God of Guidance/ Loyalty The name paimon is from a spirit who is LOYAL to lucifer, according to a fandom, The spirit paimon can reveal all mysteries of the Earth, wind and water, what the mind is, and everything the conjurer wants to know. Notice something?? Wnd and water, We found paimon near the land of freedom, where the wind archon is and fished her out from the sea where the theorize birthplace of paimon is surrounded by waters. Also, Despite paimon baing a lil dummy, she still somehow remembers full well the history of most things which she shares them to the traveler "when he wants to know", making the traveler the conjurer.
Also since Istharoth is one of the 4 shades of the Primordial One, and Venti is one of the thousand winds of Ishtaroth, this kind of makes Venti the grandson of the Primordial One. Since Ishtaroth was mentioned and said to be a God of Time and "undying wind" I figured that this "undying wind" might have been the term that they might have used to interpret the element of oxygen, meaning the other 4 shades might preside over the 4 elements used to create the universe and are abundant in it: Oxygen, Hydrogen, Carbon, and Nitrogen. Time & Oxygen Space & Hydrogen Death & Carbon Life & Nitrogen This makes me think that since the Venti has some form of connection with Ishtaroth, I think Zhongli might have some connection to Odin since his pillars have the symbol of Gungnir on it and the Deathly Statuettes found in the Chasm are of Odin. Similarly, perhaps the Hydro Archon is related to the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles and probably takes on the appearance of Teri Teri from Honkai and the Cryo Archon might have a direct connection to Celestia/Phanes since all the pillars dropped so far seem to have this cold nitrogen-like effect producing fog, cold, and etc.
I have always maintained that visions and gnoses make entities like sleeper agents, waiting to be activated for an attack on those they are supposed to protect. I believe this was the archon war. It wasn't archons against each other or to defend humanity. It was to attack humanity, against their will.
Something I have in mind So, Kairos mean perfect moment ? Do that would explain why we always get saved by Anemo wielder (Venti, Dvalin, Kazuha ?) at the moment we least expect ?
so i saw wei's theory on how paimon is the primordial one [aka the first whop came] , and i think his theory is pretty solid, maybe you should share your thoughts on it?
Paimon is the god of Companionship. All other gods have their domains in the material world. Paimon's domain is in the lived world. Let's not forget, if it wasn't for Paimon's companionship, Traveller would still be listlessly mooching about on the beach at the start.
I doubt the altars are birthplace theorey, since, from my memory, we know about the story of venti before he became a god, and was just some wind monster/seelie? in old mondstadt.and in that story, if memory serves me right, he aquired the means to ascend to godhood and became barbatos as we know him today. That should be explained during the old mondstadt exploration arc before we fight dvalin
The Paimon menu? Thats why we can fast forward time in-game because of the Paimon menu!! Is either a coincidence or a big brain move from Hoyoverse "nothing is a coincidence"
This is unrelated to the video but what if the people singing in the background in genshin's loading screen are the 7 archons? The main person singing is the cryo archon?
Paimon has the upside down triquetra on her chest. The upside triquetra is showed only on ONE temple ( The thousand winds one). All the others have the regular triquetra or the quadruple arms version of it, including domains. This leads me to believe that Paimon is indeed a god that has lost a cruel battle to another entity ( which would explain why she's in the water, weakened) and is simply using the traveller to re gain the lost power. In any case we'll be all too old to play Genshin in 10 years time.
@teyvathistoria WOW! Great theory, finally you talk about paimon but are you sure she is related to the time element and at the beginning of the game that may be where the game starts but they already have been traveling for 2 months
I have also had a feeling Paimon is, or tightly connected to, Isteroth; but I'm not with you on the Gnosis bit... I think you're a little off the rails there. Interesting idea though.
I think Paimon is Dainsleif's parallel. Both mysterious, control an unknown element, are the travelers' partner, etc. Maybe she was an archon being created for the old hilichurlian race
paimon is already in the lands of teyvat before traveler came. She proclaim herself as the traveler's guide and knows about the archons and the statue of the 7 also teach how to use the power of elements and vision. Fate brings them together of maybe someone manipulated that paimon get to an accident at the sea and wash up to the shore in mondstadt to where traveler is fishing to be the guide.
I really like the idea that the tsaritsa is collecting the gnosis to ressurect phanes. Could be her way of dealing with celestia, and maybe explain why yae and zhongli willingly gave their gnosis to the fatui
I having a feeling that six of her eleven fatui harbingers are going to betry her and siding with the travler in some shape or form,we already have one gone rogue with Scaramouche,they could had others harbingers looking for him and try to get gnosis but in the play Commedia dell'arte Scaramouche was the first zanni to turn against his master Vecchi and others jump on to his bandwagon in the play,so I think the same well happened in genshin.
Hi everyone!! Maybe in the future paimon is the one determined to forget everything, about her journey with the first traveler, and send to the exact time for the second traveler to fish her out the water in order to be the companion and guidance. The traveler was in the same beach for long time until Paimon arrived; the time could move and so he/she did it too. The search for answers began, and so our journey through Teyvat.
In Greek mythos, the titans defeated the giants, then the gods defeated the titans. What if this was to be the story with Teyvat? A chain of dethroning the rulers of the world? But Celestia was able to interfere the chain. Now, we the traveller and possibly the Cryo archon will continue this chain and end Celestia. From the Enkanomiya lore, a lot of it is inspired from Greek mythology. What if taking down Celestia was Gold’s plan (but in a despicable way, thus the Archons got involved).
Bro, Genshin was created carefully in virtuality, before it was made in the form we know today. Thinking of the subtle hints that are included in the storytelling, one can say Genshin will be the most thought-out game ever, considering the fact that it is a culmination of many cultures; Old and new, and individualistic and societal cultures of countries. Its storyline is embedded in greek mythology and rooted in many more than many people have time to explain. This game would have been in the pipeline for years, guessing 5-6 yrs, before 2020. It all boils down to the fact, that Genshin upon completion will be one of the greatest games in the history of games and more specifically RPG.
Paimon seems to me, to be gradually getting bigger. Am I mistaking that? Or has anyone noticed that, as well. Now, she seems to be almost as big as Klee. I only noticed that during the Ikibana festival. I don't remember her being that big before.
i actually think that as well. i think i'm confusing paimon's size when you open the paimon menu and actual in-game though. so i'm confused. but yeah there was a time while i was playing through a quest, i thought to myself, "....wasn't paimon smaller before??"
My own wild guess: (possible spoiler?) [spoiler] Paimon is not an entire "separate entity", she(or he? it?) is both the vessel/prison and part of the original Traveler, that was "divided" when the Unknown Goddess (or somebody else) intervened. Probably including the original Traveler's powers (the powers are not gone, just... separated/obstructed). In such a way, she cannot be truly separated from the player. The link may not be physical, though there may be physical distance limitations as well. the only case where she is "shut out" was in Raiden Ei's conscious realm? though it may be that she was still "there" but just suppressed. But it could also be that the Traveler is also not entirely made up of what he/she once was: it may included some part that was from the original source of Paimon. This created a symbiotic relationship between the two, where each entity contains parts that was originally from the other. Maybe the Traveler can use the elemental powers only because Paimon is fulfilling the functions similar to a Vision: an external magical organ for channeling (elemental) powers. iow: Original Traveler (T+t) + unknown (P+p) + alpha-> present Traveler (T+p) + Paimon (P+t) + beta? (alpha + beta could be related to meta concepts like the "player" and the "system/game") But just who is the "unknown"(!!)? And how is this division possible? One interesting possibility is... Time ;) (iow, the unknown could have already appeared as another being that we have met... whom Paimon could be made up from a past/future part of) Contrary to the common speculation that Paimon is the "hidden/true enemy", I am inclined to believe that Paimon is the ultimate ally (who IS part of the Traveler). It could even be so: the "player" (the person playing the game) is divided in-game into 2 avatars: the Traveler which you directly controlled, and the "subconscious" which is embodied by Paimon. Noticed how often Paimon seems to voice the comments/questions of the "player" which is not voiced explicitly by the Traveler? Because they are two facets of the "player". It is a little scary though, to speculate that if the Traveler ever need to get back his/her original powers, Paimon may choose to sacrifice her current form to break the "division", so as to "return" to the Traveler, but in so, losing her individual identity (once again becoming the Traveler's subconscious) Though I am interested by the possibility, emotionally, I really don't wish this is the way things are "destined"... [/spoiler]
Just a correction: The right way to pronounce KAIROS is K-E-R-O-S (with an emphasis on O). For us the ''AI'' is actually pronounced as ''E''. I am a native greek speaker, so I know :) And by the way, the word ''Kairos'' not only is referring to time but also to the weather.
Hmm, Paimon could be a mix of the 7 deadly sins if you really think about her mannerisms in the game depending on which occasion of course. She knows a lot for acting like a child.
Likely, Paiman is a ten star ultra powerful being and is the only reason Traveler can use elements without a gnosis or vision. Paimon floats around 24/7, even Venti, the God of wind, cannot do that.
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my theory is that paimon is related to sillie(who guide for chest) because she also guide traveler. She may be god but not for humans, she is somehow related to sillie.
@@conquerorofevil8776 sillie theory 😹
I think Paimon's true purpose might be similar to Elysia's in Honkai Impact 3d. She can be the child of God (Primordial One), like Jesus Christ, that will sacrifice herself for humanity (Teyvat).
She already has the power of the 9th element, look at her chest and the universal dice in TCG - it's the same triquetra. She could be the exact reason why MC is able to use all the elements. 9th element is called Kether or The Crown, which is what we see above Paimon's head... Coincidence? I don't think so.
Yes, I said 9th because 8th element is Physical, it's called Malkhuth. Tree Of Life in Kabbalah consists of 11 elements in total, so we're still missing 2 - Daath and Yesod.
don't you think that Genshin is more inspired of Gnosticism ? and also, now that im typing it i think it can be both, because Gnosis means knowledge in greek.... hmmmm
@@bshthrasher Where are you getting all those names from ? can you explain your theory ?
Like Barbatos is the god of freedom, Morax the god of contracts and Beelzebul is the god of eternity, Paimon will be the god of… Sticky Honey Roasts
Yay, paimon is god of sticky honey roast
And Protection
God of Emergency Food
God of Fisherman’s Toast
God of food
For being a Gacha game, people really don't give enough credit to how deep the lore of this game is. Seriously, I can't fathom the amount of research that went into building the lore of Genshin.
Edit: yall I don't give a damn if yall like a different gacha game better lmao go play it then
It’s amazing! The lore AND the music. Super appreciative of all the effort to make such a cool experience :)
the world building, sound design, character and environment design are all solid. At this point, it's promotions towards the game and in game events are a cultural phenomena. It's amazing to see
aye yo preach
Because its a gacha game with way worse % to hit a 5 stars compared to other gacha games, thus good lore and music are needed to keep this kind of gacha game alive.
Nice lore but mayber poor execution?
I want to add a couple of things I noticed:
1. When you go to the secret island on the quest, you use the elemental vision to find elemental traces, these are in the form leaves. This suggests that both Venti and the Dendro archon were responsible for "sealing" someone there (probably the god of time).
2. If Paimon is the god of moments (or something related to it), then you see how perfectly Makoto's words match what's happening: Paimon *had* to be there for the seed to be planted.
It could also explain why the time surges happened on the second entry and not the first. Her being there on the first arrival may have triggered the time anomaly
what did Makoto say already ? I don't recall her speak of Paimon during the new seed process
@@quantumfang2185 yes! It would also make all the time shenanigans in the Shogun quest make much more sense as it would then not be the powers of Makoto or Ei that caused it, but Paimon.
@@loick5378 9:24
"Time extends into infinity;
Dreams illuminate each moment within
When both shine in unison..."
I think Time/moments are a reference to Paimon, and Dreams could refer to the traveler. But that is a loose interpretation.
To correct myself, "Dreams" are represented by Makoto and now Ei. The traveler represents "ambition", not "dreams".
Her principle will be Emergency Food, which is to say, Food That Is Specifically Set Aside *Until The Moment It Is Needed.*
We are waiting for the perfect moment to eat Paimon
It occurs to me that her entire quest for a refrigerator so that her fruit would stay fresh until she wants to eat it again could be considered evidence that this is, in fact, her divine principle.
holy shit wait you have a point-
what if hoyoverse keeps pushing the emergency food thing because paimon's fate is tied to the concept of emergency food: having something that's always there that you know you'll have when the time comes that you need it most
Now that I think of it, she always wants mora, but never really storms it on anything (since the only material thing she really cares about are food and drink, but she's got the Traveler to make her gourmet food at any random campfire pot and stove they come across), so it's like she's just storing away cash in an emergency fund until the moment it becomes necessary.
I like this theory. I have a theory of my own, though. I think Paimon wound up in the water because she fell (was kicked) from the floating island in the sky. She was maybe some kind of deity of that place, and the other deities banished her for whatever reason. By chance the traveller fished her out, told her his story and she realized they have something in common. They both have a grudge with the heavenly beings. She is too weak to get back at them on her own, so she needs the travellers help. She's using him.
Paimon knew that the situation in Inazuma "wasn't that bad a year ago" during the end of Liyue's archon quest... Thus she had to be around at least for a year before getting rescued by the traveler. You could argue she had some memory of all the things since she is a special case but I still don't buy It. Not to mention the place in wich we fish her out doesn't resemble any scenary we can see in mondstadt... It must be in mondstadt but maybe not directly in front of the nameless island (I think it's north of mondstadt by the sea but we can't go there yet). Also the fishing happens 2/3 months before the start of the game, they must have moved locations in that time span.
In the Genshin Manga isn't Venti referring to other real life mythos? Pangu being Chinese, Purusha being Indian and Ymir being Nordic? I assume so just because before he talks about that he says "in other, distant worlds"
GENSHIN IS CANNON IRL?
@@noharijanto genshin actually takes place in 2200
@@noharijanto the spiral abyss reset says that the cycle is eerily similar to another world, that world being ours and the cycle being our lunar cycle, bc teyvat doesn't have phases of the moon, as the moon we see is a corpse of one of the three moon goddesses
So yes, I'm pretty sure it's canon that it's a parallel world to ours
@@noharijanto genshin will be real in 24 days
Yes, venti did.
Looking at Zhongli's second story quest. We find Azhdaha's spirit and mind has essentially splintered into two separate beings. I have a hunch that Paimon might be a splinter of a similar being.
well dainslief said it come forth if you know the meaning of your journey if you are the one to protect her , who is the her he's talking of ? could it be the god of time , to set it back on track
most likely, dain meant lumine, since the MC in travail is Aether
Well to put it simply, he was talking about Lumine.
You can see Aether alone near the end of that video,
even though hoyo said that "both or canon" whatever.
@@darkneko972 well what I thought to but makes no sense as we play as lumine or aether , so would mean I think of the death of the sibling we are not playing , which I doubt they have in mind as an end
What if that 'her' is paimon? I might be overthinking here but I'm in the comment section of a theory video so..
You said that paimon might have to best someone in order to get the gnosis, could the potential competitor be the unknown god sustainer? Bcoz they have many unexplained things in common, their dress is kinda similar, their character designs are similar too. On contrast their behaviour is opposite, paimon show range of emotion while sustainer seems like dead serious.
Most of the users are adults. They had responsibilities. So, wouldn't have much time to dive deep into the lore.
Gacha game are aimed towards busy adults anyway.
@@Jin_world_changer there is a possibility tho since it isn't mentioned anywhere and she also teleported the twin around 500 years apart
also the sustainer sent the twins to different times. she has some amount of control over time. like how paimon menu lets you change the time
they both have some amount of control over time so it makes sense
@@Jin_world_changer if that's the case, then it could be that only one of them will ascend to god status and recieve gnosis. Also sustainer being space god is very likely if u think about(if paimon actually turns out to be god of time/moments) bcoz both space and time are associated almost like one cannot exist without other. So two closely associated gods with one motive makes it more exciting.
@@anaelkarthik she didn’t sends them 500 years apart, the twins woke up 500 years apart, the traveler was just sleeping I think. But istaroth could just sent them 500 years apart ? Since it’s theorise that he might be like the unknown god, a shade of the primordial one
7:10 wasn’t Barbatos a simple wind spirit before achieving archonhood?
another thing i found interesting is when u defeat the abyss lector at the end of the enkanomiya quest, he states that even paimon could turn on us
I got chills when you explained Kairos relation to "the perfect moment". Good stuff, definitely will keep these things in the back of my mind while playing!
Awesome! I love hearing stuff like that :D
great video as always, one problem though,
i am pretty sure the place we fished paimon out of water is guyun stone forest, specifically yaoguang shoal, observing the grass type and sharply cut rock formations in the background. It might just be for the *aesthehtic purposes though for a nice first impression since yaogoang shoel is a very pretty landscape
Paimon is the name of one of the demons/spirits in these texts and describes their abilities as such, they know of all the affairs in the world, can fly and breathe underwater, are able to summon other spirits, and can force visions upon others.
Look carefully at the grass and rocks in that picture.
That's where you fought the 4 ruin guards, in Guyun Stone Forest
I really agree with you. One other thing about time. Some sort of time travel, but also the length of time. The 500 year marker that is in the game is when Khaenri’ah fell. Many of the things in the lore happened thousands to hundreds of years prior to that time.
Well, the traveler didn't fish paimon in that spot in the beginning of the game. Here's why: First, he found her 2 months before that scene. 2nd, the background of the picture of the traveler fishing paimon isn't in that place.
Ooh. Adding an 8th gnosis actually completes the number of officials in a chess board. So the fact of having an 8th gnosis is most likely true.
1:46 i might be mistaken but I think it’s actually the traveller asking about Celestia right there. Because it’s the moment when we Venti’s story is over and we come back to the present moment when he’s talking to Aether.
Ymir was a god in Norse mythology he was the “original” came before everything including the world. He created some humans who were ,I believe, later killed by his newer creations. The the creator god himself was to be killed by those same creations and his corpse being used to make the world. Just thought it was interesting that he was mentioned as the clouds.
Edit: I did some more research into Ymir and well
1. His brains did indeed get thrown into the sky and turned into the clouds
2. His skull (which was thrown ig up first bc there was no sky) made the sky
3. His blood made the seas and lakes
4. His unbroken bones made mountains
5. His broken bones and teeth made stones rocks and sometimes boulders
6. He made hundreds of ice dudes and he’s also Odin’s grandfather
7. He somehow (found?) a cow who then licked a stone into the shape of a human that then gained sentience
Before Sun and Moon also mentions a 2nd god that came to Teyvat after Phanes. I assume the the 2nd who came is the Unknown God from the opening cut scene. The book also hinted that the Unknown God vanquished Phanes and started to impersonate Celestia. It also explains why all these ancient civilizations died out although they had a god looking after them. And it also explains why Scaramouche's the-sky-is-a-lie thing. The Celestia of the present is not the same one of the past.
The Gnosis, I believe, are actually pieces of Phanes. The Archon War was orchestrated to separate the powers without any hope of them consolidating into a singularity. And Visions are granted to those with potential -- the potential that they can overthrow Celestia. It is already revealed itself to be a double-edge sword: those with their vision relinquished so too lose their drive.
As for Khaenriah, the reason for the Calamity 500 years ago was because Celestia feared the nation's power. Khemia was a type of alchemy that could allow Khaenriah to become an entity that could rival Celestia. And thus it was destroyed thru divine intervention before it could become a threat.
This also explains why Snezhnaya's Archon is currently collecting the Gnosis. Down with Celestia. We also know that the event changed her drastically -- Childe describing her as a loving person who had to steel her heart.
Now to explain the starting sequence of Genshin Impact. The reason why the Twins were caught in their attempt to world jump was because: They did so during the Khaenriah Calamity, when the Unknown God was most observant, and that the Twins very well had the potential to overthrow the Unknown God's claim on Celestia. The Twins would very much well be on par with the Archons (if not greater) if their powers were completely sealed (able to use all the elements without a vision, lived for 500 years even if it was in slumber).
And you are probably right about Paimon. Explains the time skip feature in the Paimon menu at the very least. She is probably the key to consolidating all the Gnosis into a single item.
Idk why people keep assuming Paimon and the Traveler met each other in that beach at the start of the game. Unless I'm missing something I'm pretty sure one of the first things Paimon says at the start is that several months have passed since they first met each other and I can't think of a reason they would stick around that one spot for months on end, especially when they were so close to a city.
Another thing to mention is that I'm pretty sure there is some dialogue/ voice lines in the game between the Traveler and Paimon that implies that the Traveler has been going around from place to place while looking for books to presumably gain more knowledge and information. That being the case that can only imply that the Traveler and Paimon have already gone through other different places before the start of the game officially (before reaching Mondstat I mean).
I think Paimon was a moon sister who lived in Celestia. The Gods of Celestia killed her sisters one day for trying to rebel against them. One of the moon sister's spirit can be heard singing/crying in domains. The Gods either spared Paimon or Paimon agreed to do their bidding to avoid death. After the opening cutscene I think Sustainer returned to Celestia or was taken forcefully after the Gods had seen what had happened between her and the travelers. I think it was planned by Celestia for Paimon to wait for the traveler to wake up by their side and had the plan to pretend to drown when the moment arrived, so she could avoid seeming suspicious. The traveler seemed to trust Paimon enough to begin the journey with her. However as we know, Paimon is the one not letting traveler stray to far from the regions we've unlocked and always says "let's explore the area ahead later" as if she is stalling the traveler from finding the sibling. Paimon also foreshadows they will not meet a happy ending and get to go home. It's weird how she always talks traveler into doing meaningless quests which have no relation to finding the lost sibling. Paimon in lore can copy other's powers and can basically clone people/objects. It explains how she used the Sustainer's red cubes during the Jade Chamber battle. Also it's confirmed the characters we summon for are not the main story characters themselves, but rather "dream versions" copied by Paimon. Basically everything in the Paimon menu has to do with her cloning and time powers. Paimon in lore can extract the spirits of people and make copies of them, potentially being fatal to the originals. There is likely a connection between Paimon and Albedo/Albedo's evil copy, and during the Albedo Dragonspine event she foreshadows her and the traveler will split up in a devastating way.. maybe she means her future betrayal. Celestia may use Paimon to clone the traveler or clone his powers of being able to hop worlds as well as his immortality. Then the Celestia Gods can control and travel through the entire bubbleverse rather than just Teyvat. Paimon may also decide to sacrifice herself rather than going along with the Gods' plan, so she may end up letting them kill her for not going through with it, or she will fight them alongside the traveler. For now it seems like she is spying on the traveler while Celestia spies on the two of them, and her job is to actually prevent the traveler from getting to be with his sister by leading him to places to look for her, although Paimon knows she is very far from where they search. If the traveler woke up and Paimon wasn't there, he may have already reunited with his sibling. Not to mention Paimon breaks the fourth wall when you open the Paimon menu and she is floating there while staring at you (the player) with an annoyed/angered expression on her face. I think everything we do in the game is wrong, like using dream versions of cloned original characters and we are fighting on the wrong side. The other sibling seems to know this which is why they have know desire to go near the traveler and the sibling may know much more about Paimon than we do.
Wasn't Paimon fished out in another location 2 months before the game starts?
Really? We just blurt out our history to a flying child after fishing her out?
@Xx-raZ0r_pup-xX nope, go watch the opening scene again, the traveler literally says the line "...right up until i met you two months ago" to paimon.
and its also worth noting that flash back shown of paimon getting fished up is in an entirely different location.
Ever since that long discussion during the stream about this, is was anxious for the full video… and you surpassed every expectation. As always! Looking forward for more… can’t wait for what Sumeru might bring.
I never felt this excited for a story of a game in so many years.
Thanks for igniting that curiosity for me
I guess that’s why Piamon is the emergency food.
I feel that if u get all the power of all 4 shades of phanes, you get the he primordial one.Also I think that when the Tseritas gets all 8 elements together, pimon will be possessed and that will be the great betrayal,that one quest was talking about.
Speaking of Tseritas don't you think some of her harbingers are sus and are trying to actives they own goal in the organisation,Tartaglia is mainly out for battles and trying to get stronger to be on par with the travler like he is our rival and is trying to master the bow it's most likely for the abyss,he also the first harbingers to make an ally with the travler,Scaramouche is the best example of this he was an puppet without an heart cause his mother Ei Raiden abandoned him left to warders the land and join the fatui since they fun to be around and then in the Inazuma chapter we last saw him in the delusion factory,he nearly kill the travler but than Yea Miko show up and give him the gnosis, than in the library warrior event Tartaglia says he searching for him as he had gone rogue.
Many of the Archons have familiars.
Even Venti had to become an archon to become an archon, he wasn't born as one. He even gives that to us as part of his story. Now we get to see the new dendro archon learning to be an archon.
Perhaps it's a lot simpler than we're thinking. Maybe this is just Paimon's ascension to becoming the archon she's supposed to be and the Traveler was chosen in the moment to be her guardian/familiar. Like whatever deity the twins encountered in the beginning was just like, "alright one of you is going to babysit my daughter." And the one we didn't pick ends up being the asshole with no friends. There are certain species within fantasy that are born with the memories of their parents and maybe in Paimon's case those memories aren't actually being sparked until she's started going to places. Or she has been there before, but she was in a different, more larval form, like Venti was before he became Barbatos. Perhaps she's just a child like Lesser Lord Kusanali, but her element has been missing from the world for so long that even the current archons haven't heard of it, or could be part of the secret Rex Lapis is hiding from us.
I wonder if the abyss twin had a hard go of things because they ended up with evil Paimon during their walkabout, or maybe they had no guide at all.
My personal theory is Paimon is just a fledgling archon. She has shown to be ridiculously durable, has a very childish personality, and is hungry all the time which tells me she's definitely not an adult. She can also make herself disappear into nothing and then reappear when needed. Which would make sense, since a lot of the gods during the archon war ended up dead on account of being too weak to defend themselves and it has been shown that new archons have popped up since then. What if when Paimon disappears for us she reappears for the other twin? Why else would the other twin not be surprised to see Paimon?
If we go by the chess piece theory we've got the back line giving us, what, 8 pieces? We've got dendro, hydro, anemo, pyro, cryo, electro, geo and one missing piece. What if there's actually two and they have to fight over which one gets it? Abyss and Light. What if, just like in Enkanomiya they're interchangeable, like how the Traveler can switch between the other 7 just by visiting a shrine?
I'm probably missing some key bit of information here and I'm probably completely wrong, but it's a fun exercise anyway.
When you mentioned "Moment" and is related to TIMING
Rather than time itself. I remember that the other sibling told us he or she is up against the DESTINY.
My only concern is why the other sibling doesn't interact with Paimon when they first reunite.
Mona and scaramouch and the unreconciled stars has something to do also with the term "Destiny" on these game and those two are also significant on unlocking the mysteries behind these
I am 90% certain that as little, floaty treasure-obsessed beings, Paimon is related to the seelies. Possibly god, possibly queen, possibly just what they used to look like.
What I find to be a major clue is that when successfully fishing, Paimon will make comments, and one of those comments sounds like a genuine belief you may have fished up another Paimon. This leads me to believe she is not unique.
This would also explain why the seelies you see around the place do not lead any of Teyvat's random inhabitants to their treasure... They aren't even leading the Traveller, they're leading their God-Queen, Paimon!
My headcannon now is that paimon will be the archon of trust because similar to how she guides the traveller, it is only wise to trust the path time leads you through
considering every element has an archon, and dainslief is confirmed to be playable, i think maybe paimon was originally the archon of the element of dainsleifs power, or the archon/leader of khaenriah. since dainslief will have an element, and his element is currently unruled, paimon could have been the disposed archon or leader of khaenriah. i think it makes more sense than paimon being some form of miss heavenly principles or some other abyssal being. obviously there's no evidence, but i think there may be more to the so called "archonless nation" than we thought. maybe the leader of khaenriah was similarly dealt with like dain and possibly kaeya, where they didn't become monsters, but instead became forced to wander teyvat in a different form.
Watching this video after seeing a video abt the piecing together of the script that is different in every world being pieced together from the chasm. parallel worlds, along with the god of time, microcosms- it seems like the next interesting view i should take with the game’s lore
Towards the end of the vid you said someone must ascend to claime the gnosis and some where in Travlers info it talks about him/her having to ascend in the future, maybe just maybe it will be travler
Funny thing, Paimon in the book of Solomon (which is also where the names Barbatos, Morax, Baal, & Beelzebub come to us from) has the power of being able to stay under water indefinitely and is ranked one of the kings of hell.
during the interaction with Benben, Paimon said she would have stayed floating in the sea if it wasn't for Traveler. Indicating that she was in the sea because she was too hungry that she could not float in the air anymore. also this video recommendation is creepy since i took a screenshot of when she said the line and i shared it to a what'sapp group telling more or less the same thing and now this video got recommended to me.
You know those thingys that you use for leveling statue of the seven? You always have a extra one and I thing at end game when we get all 7 extra we will use them
How did even paimon drowned and got fished my the traveler and paimon was literally floating
There's another video, and I'm not sure if it's legitimate theorycrafting or shitposting, but he makes a very convincing argument that Paimon is the Primordial One. This could tie in with your idea about the Tsaritsa collecting the gnosis to resurrect the Primordial One, in that if all the gnosis are given to Paimon, it could perhaps awaken her back into the Primordial One.
I think it is more likely the songs venti sings talk about the seven sovereigns. He tells how their bodies became the world. The ones he talks about all have names from a different culture, and the thing they became can be related to the seven nations.
There's a video about this if you're interested called 'naming the seven sovereigns'.
If paimon gets a gnosis, she better enter an archon form. Hopefully she'll become some super elegant archon
The game sometimes make me believe that it takes place on a flat planet, one side is teyvat, other side facing down is Kaenriah, and the fake sky is actually created by Celestia acts as a barrier to disguise themselves because they're the evil now, they don't want anyone to face them. The 7 archons might be trying to ascend to celestia with the Paimon (the real primordial one in it's weakened state) and the traveler (whose help is essential for them since traveller has the ability to use elemental energy without a vision) and defeat the one's who pretend to rule now. Since visions are not given by the respective archons, they should be from celestia. Since the celestia can withdraw visions any time, those who rely upon vision's power will prove useless against the fake celsestial gods, that's why the fatuis developed delusions, but they have negative effects on the person using it. Sometime in the future, they might develop resistance to delusion's negative effects. We don't know if it happens or not. Have anyone wondered why in spiral abyss we fight with fatuis too. Are they working with the abyss? The abyss themselves are the people of Kaenriah. They attack teyvat, possibly be a plan to ascend to celestia. They somehow want to destroy the fake sky and reveal celestia so they can ascend to celestia. Anyway the traveler could use elemental energy without vision or delusion, not only traveler, Dainsleif, the other sibling, the people of Kaenriah. Since they got so advanced, it's the reason why Kaenriah got destroyed by the fake celestial gods. They feared Kaenriah. The reason why Tsaritsa is collecting all the gnoses could be a plan to ascend to celestia, by destroying the fake sky. There are chances that these gnoses are responsible for the fake sky, and like visions, gnoses too can't be destroyed in any way. This means there's currently no way to destroy the fake sky, unless Tsaritsa seize all the 6 visions and there could be a way. Snezhnaya is so advanced, similar to Kaenriah. Eventhough the archons have evil biblical names, they might not be evil. May be they might have been evil in the past, when they had gnoses and were puppets of celestia. But now the archons give up their gnoses willingly to Tsaritsa. At last, once the fake celestial gods are defeated, Paimon isn't the same paimon anymore. May be Paimon can undo the curse upon the abyss. This is just a theory. My wish to end this story, because I don't want a fight against Paimon.
even is sumeru u see small shrines with the exact engravings of the triketra
also paimon says that we’re starting in mondstadt “and there’s a reason why~” which she never explains
Hmm, that could be why we (the traveler) are able to manipulate time a bit! (fast-forwarding, at least)
I like the idea that time is the 8th Element with Paimon eventually becoming the archon of it (if only for a while), I was also thinking about how we still don't know what Dain manipulates, as the final chapter teased wasn't tied to a specific element and the region was the abyss. Now IDK how time/space abilities would work but I know I want to see it lol
kairos also means weather. it has both meaning for time and weather in greek. food for thought
I mean traveller must know about paimon (we don't know yet) ... it blows my mind that a world hopping traveller just lets some floating fairy follow them around all the time. Also paimon always says she's from teyvat and she knows all these things, but everywhere we go people dont know who or even what paimon is...
Hmm no idea if there's any importance but in the places where the shades in dragonspine and the ground in the time god island has a symbol like interconnected chain links. Paimon also has a similar symbol on her outfit, and the old CBT before Genshin was released had intertwined fates and acquaint fates that looked exactly like the one on Paimon's outfit.
Paimon's principle would be hunger. Time devours all moments and all substance.
Paimon is the second crowned heir and the King's Gnosis is contained within or is the Genesis Pearl.
Barbatos: God of freedom
Morax: God of contract
Shogun: God of eternity
Kusanali: God of wisdom
(if its IS) Paimon: God of Guidance/ Loyalty
The name paimon is from a spirit who is LOYAL to lucifer, according to a fandom, The spirit paimon can reveal all mysteries of the Earth, wind and water, what the mind is, and everything the conjurer wants to know. Notice something??
Wnd and water, We found paimon near the land of freedom, where the wind archon is and fished her out from the sea where the theorize birthplace of paimon is surrounded by waters. Also, Despite paimon baing a lil dummy, she still somehow remembers full well the history of most things which she shares them to the traveler "when he wants to know", making the traveler the conjurer.
Also since Istharoth is one of the 4 shades of the Primordial One, and Venti is one of the thousand winds of Ishtaroth, this kind of makes Venti the grandson of the Primordial One.
Since Ishtaroth was mentioned and said to be a God of Time and "undying wind" I figured that this "undying wind" might have been the term that they might have used to interpret the element of oxygen, meaning the other 4 shades might preside over the 4 elements used to create the universe and are abundant in it: Oxygen, Hydrogen, Carbon, and Nitrogen.
Time & Oxygen
Space & Hydrogen
Death & Carbon
Life & Nitrogen
This makes me think that since the Venti has some form of connection with Ishtaroth, I think Zhongli might have some connection to Odin since his pillars have the symbol of Gungnir on it and the Deathly Statuettes found in the Chasm are of Odin. Similarly, perhaps the Hydro Archon is related to the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles and probably takes on the appearance of Teri Teri from Honkai and the Cryo Archon might have a direct connection to Celestia/Phanes since all the pillars dropped so far seem to have this cold nitrogen-like effect producing fog, cold, and etc.
I believe that she is the god of the stars as the guy you meet before going to inzsuma says that he can sense the elements
This man just explained the whole genshin impact story line in 10 minutes
I have always maintained that visions and gnoses make entities like sleeper agents, waiting to be activated for an attack on those they are supposed to protect.
I believe this was the archon war. It wasn't archons against each other or to defend humanity. It was to attack humanity, against their will.
I am indeed the answer to everything
Something I have in mind
So, Kairos mean perfect moment ?
Do that would explain why we always get saved by Anemo wielder (Venti, Dvalin, Kazuha ?) at the moment we least expect ?
so i saw wei's theory on how paimon is the primordial one [aka the first whop came] , and i think his theory is pretty solid, maybe you should share your thoughts on it?
Paimon is the god of Companionship. All other gods have their domains in the material world. Paimon's domain is in the lived world.
Let's not forget, if it wasn't for Paimon's companionship, Traveller would still be listlessly mooching about on the beach at the start.
bro nah shes just a flying fish that can talk
I doubt the altars are birthplace theorey, since, from my memory, we know about the story of venti before he became a god, and was just some wind monster/seelie? in old mondstadt.and in that story, if memory serves me right, he aquired the means to ascend to godhood and became barbatos as we know him today. That should be explained during the old mondstadt exploration arc before we fight dvalin
This is why I love this game. The lore is so deep.
7:45 I'll stop you there. You cant tell me that the traveler and Paimon sat on that beach for 2 months
The Paimon menu? Thats why we can fast forward time in-game because of the Paimon menu!! Is either a coincidence or a big brain move from Hoyoverse "nothing is a coincidence"
This is unrelated to the video but what if the people singing in the background in genshin's loading screen are the 7 archons? The main person singing is the cryo archon?
kusanali is goubafied, what if Istaroth also shrinked and became paimon?
It's like genshin is making us use real life mythology to solve our questions
Can't still get over the possibility that Paimon is really the "tyrant, fate" as said by one of the serpent knight
Okay time to revise physics.
Good day to you teyvat, amazing video as always!!
Paimon has the upside down triquetra on her chest. The upside triquetra is showed only on ONE temple ( The thousand winds one). All the others have the regular triquetra or the quadruple arms version of it, including domains. This leads me to believe that Paimon is indeed a god that has lost a cruel battle to another entity ( which would explain why she's in the water, weakened) and is simply using the traveller to re gain the lost power. In any case we'll be all too old to play Genshin in 10 years time.
@teyvathistoria WOW! Great theory, finally you talk about paimon but are you sure she is related to the time element and at the beginning of the game that may be where the game starts but they already have been traveling for 2 months
I have also had a feeling Paimon is, or tightly connected to, Isteroth; but I'm not with you on the Gnosis bit... I think you're a little off the rails there. Interesting idea though.
I think Paimon is Dainsleif's parallel. Both mysterious, control an unknown element, are the travelers' partner, etc. Maybe she was an archon being created for the old hilichurlian race
Albedo was clearly a failed attempt by Lumine to create another sibling, or another version of his sibling.
Paimon would definitely be the god of greed or gluttony she is always hungry gets jealous of everyone and is obsessed with finding treasure and mora
paimon is already in the lands of teyvat before traveler came. She proclaim herself as the traveler's guide and knows about the archons and the statue of the 7 also teach how to use the power of elements and vision. Fate brings them together of maybe someone manipulated that paimon get to an accident at the sea and wash up to the shore in mondstadt to where traveler is fishing to be the guide.
what if paimon was the god of time who lost in the archon war and fell in the water, and lost her memory
Can someone explain to me how does Lumine has the flower in her hair before she even gets attacked by the Unknown God?
I want to ask why is Paimon's dialogue in the changing volume is "Paimon coming in"?
I really like the idea that the tsaritsa is collecting the gnosis to ressurect phanes. Could be her way of dealing with celestia, and maybe explain why yae and zhongli willingly gave their gnosis to the fatui
I having a feeling that six of her eleven fatui harbingers are going to betry her and siding with the travler in some shape or form,we already have one gone rogue with Scaramouche,they could had others harbingers looking for him and try to get gnosis but in the play Commedia dell'arte Scaramouche was the first zanni to turn against his master Vecchi and others jump on to his bandwagon in the play,so I think the same well happened in genshin.
Hi everyone!! Maybe in the future paimon is the one determined to forget everything, about her journey with the first traveler, and send to the exact time for the second traveler to fish her out the water in order to be the companion and guidance. The traveler was in the same beach for long time until Paimon arrived; the time could move and so he/she did it too. The search for answers began, and so our journey through Teyvat.
In Greek mythos, the titans defeated the giants, then the gods defeated the titans. What if this was to be the story with Teyvat? A chain of dethroning the rulers of the world? But Celestia was able to interfere the chain. Now, we the traveller and possibly the Cryo archon will continue this chain and end Celestia.
From the Enkanomiya lore, a lot of it is inspired from Greek mythology. What if taking down Celestia was Gold’s plan (but in a despicable way, thus the Archons got involved).
What was the traveler doing before finding Paimon the traveler was awake for 2 whole months before finding paimon
Bro, Genshin was created carefully in virtuality, before it was made in the form we know today. Thinking of the subtle hints that are included in the storytelling, one can say Genshin will be the most thought-out game ever, considering the fact that it is a culmination of many cultures; Old and new, and individualistic and societal cultures of countries. Its storyline is embedded in greek mythology and rooted in many more than many people have time to explain. This game would have been in the pipeline for years, guessing 5-6 yrs, before 2020. It all boils down to the fact, that Genshin upon completion will be one of the greatest games in the history of games and more specifically RPG.
Paimon is the key........Always has been.......
*looks at katherine key hole*
HMMMMM
I still say Paimon is actually the BBEG (big bad evil guy)
Paimon seems to me, to be gradually getting bigger.
Am I mistaking that? Or has anyone noticed that, as well.
Now, she seems to be almost as big as Klee.
I only noticed that during the Ikibana festival.
I don't remember her being that big before.
i actually think that as well. i think i'm confusing paimon's size when you open the paimon menu and actual in-game though. so i'm confused. but yeah there was a time while i was playing through a quest, i thought to myself, "....wasn't paimon smaller before??"
My own wild guess:
(possible spoiler?)
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Paimon is not an entire "separate entity", she(or he? it?) is both the vessel/prison and part of the original Traveler, that was "divided" when the Unknown Goddess (or somebody else) intervened. Probably including the original Traveler's powers (the powers are not gone, just... separated/obstructed). In such a way, she cannot be truly separated from the player. The link may not be physical, though there may be physical distance limitations as well. the only case where she is "shut out" was in Raiden Ei's conscious realm? though it may be that she was still "there" but just suppressed.
But it could also be that the Traveler is also not entirely made up of what he/she once was: it may included some part that was from the original source of Paimon. This created a symbiotic relationship between the two, where each entity contains parts that was originally from the other. Maybe the Traveler can use the elemental powers only because Paimon is fulfilling the functions similar to a Vision: an external magical organ for channeling (elemental) powers.
iow:
Original Traveler (T+t) + unknown (P+p) + alpha-> present Traveler (T+p) + Paimon (P+t) + beta?
(alpha + beta could be related to meta concepts like the "player" and the "system/game")
But just who is the "unknown"(!!)?
And how is this division possible?
One interesting possibility is... Time ;)
(iow, the unknown could have already appeared as another being that we have met... whom Paimon could be made up from a past/future part of)
Contrary to the common speculation that Paimon is the "hidden/true enemy", I am inclined to believe that Paimon is the ultimate ally (who IS part of the Traveler).
It could even be so: the "player" (the person playing the game) is divided in-game into 2 avatars: the Traveler which you directly controlled, and the "subconscious" which is embodied by Paimon. Noticed how often Paimon seems to voice the comments/questions of the "player" which is not voiced explicitly by the Traveler? Because they are two facets of the "player".
It is a little scary though, to speculate that if the Traveler ever need to get back his/her original powers, Paimon may choose to sacrifice her current form to break the "division", so as to "return" to the Traveler, but in so, losing her individual identity (once again becoming the Traveler's subconscious)
Though I am interested by the possibility, emotionally, I really don't wish this is the way things are "destined"...
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Just a correction: The right way to pronounce KAIROS is K-E-R-O-S (with an emphasis on O). For us the ''AI'' is actually pronounced as ''E''. I am a native greek speaker, so I know :) And by the way, the word ''Kairos'' not only is referring to time but also to the weather.
either the traveler or paimon might claim the eighth nosis
you'll love FGO olympys lore if you like this story.
Hmm, Paimon could be a mix of the 7 deadly sins if you really think about her mannerisms in the game depending on which occasion of course.
She knows a lot for acting like a child.
Likely, Paiman is a ten star ultra powerful being and is the only reason Traveler can use elements without a gnosis or vision. Paimon floats around 24/7, even Venti, the God of wind, cannot do that.
Why would the Tsaritsa go get the 8th Gnosis if it is going to her anyway ? She can just wait for it.
paimon was fished in Liyue
Paimon i just physical form of Traveler lost power ^^