Thanks, Ben for taking the time to make this video. It is not a new strategy and unfortunately it no longer works. A random date - 1st May 2019, there were 35 UK races. Using Betfair's Starting Price History resulted in: 19 races where just 1 horse dropped below 2.00 in running (-19pts) 11 Races where 2 horses dropped below 2.00 (break even) 4 races where 3 dropped below 2.00 (4pts profit) and just 1 race where 4 horses dropped below 2.00 (2pts profit). A total for the day of -5 pts loss. Another random date: 26th July 2019 - 41 races resulted in -18pts loss. And a 3rd date: 16th August 2019: 41 races with -5pts loss. Even with filtering - say sprint races, would not (in the examples) have produced a profit. And lowering to odds to 1.75 gave: +0.75pts, - 13.75pts and -0.75pts. At odds of 1.5 it is: +5.5pts, -10.5pts and +0.5pts. Yes, only 3 (random) days but I would suggest that this strategy is no longer much used because it is not profitable in the long-run.
Yes if you do it blindly it definitely will not work. You have to be VERY selective. I have a follow up video coming where I explain how some are STILL making it work today.
The one mistake many people make is to take everything at face value. And that's usually what separates winners from losers. This is a basic strategy with sound reasoning. All it takes is a smart trader to tweak and adjust and test out things.
Madness to do it on distances like this especially with irish racing and the shenanigans that go on there. Shorter genuine handicap races are way more profitable.. Somewhere like lingfield where leaders get reeled in frequently due to the camber are ideal for this.
Tried Laying the Field on pre selected races in Australia (Flemington and Randwick) on saturday for the first time using certain criteria and on 9 races using 1.7 and a stake of $10. Lost on one race. Even with small profit on 4 races and won laying on 3 or more for a profit of $48. All done manually and was heaps of fun. With the Spring carnival just warming up and big competitive fields it should be fun.
The Benny Hill music - nice touch! Haha! Thanks so much, Ben for keeping your great videos coming - the one on trading friendly football matches was really useful too! 👍
I have found if you lay at 1.5 in a two horse race where both horses are odds on or have low odds then every time I have found both end up being matched in play giving a garanteed profit.
I have found similar in the 2 horse race match ups but they are rare to come across. You need both horses around 2.0 at the start of the race. You can then get matched multiple times at 1.50 too.
Thanks Ben I like this. It's not going to produce a regular income, but if you use the correct filters - large field, about 1 mile, at least 2 (pref 3 or more) evenly matched likely front runners - then even if you only get to use it a few times a week it's icing on the cake. An extra £30-£40 here and there will do nicely thank you. I'm not going to say no just because I can't use it on every race.
Varying success here as well... had a couple of races where I got 4 matched at evens, but then you could get 3 in a row where just the winner would be taken. Might work for some,, but I'd use it only for fun.
Basically, this is a one trip strategy to loserville, where they'll show you the one time it does work, and negate the 50 times it doesn't! strategies like this are still being punted, mainly ... but they're often used by someone trying to sell you something or who have an affiliate link to something!
@@utubecomment21 i wouldnt go that far you can still win from it if you pick it appropriately...im still on profit from it but i dont expect to use it again..
@@Zed1914 I've actually never used this system and I wouldn't. As for salty ... far from it. I trade in financial markets mainly, and I do this for fun in between trading the financial stuff. But there are so many horse dung strategies that still get flung around … i'm surprised this one is still going. As for myself, I finalised on my third multimillion pound property in Toronto, just before the first lockdown. So London is my base, I have a property out in Portugal on the outskirts of Lisbon for when I want to surf, and I went for Toronto because I like the place ... although it's only warm two months of the year there, regardless of what anyone else tells you … it's freezing most of the time. My properties are all staffed, and are for personal use for myself, family and friends, not a 'buy-to-let' situation! Again, all the properties were well over the million mark, paid for in cash, no mortgage. So salty I'm most definitely not. I have nothing to be salty/bitter about as I made myself financially secure many years ago. Now I play for fun, using money from the interest off my various investments ... but not using this strategy, obviously! All the best!
Ciao Michele. Sono un trader professionista e vivo e faccio trading sui cavalli online in Inghilterra. Conosco benissimo la situazione in cui opera l'Italia per i cavalli su Betfair, ovvero ci sono poche corse. Qua invece ci sono corse a non finire ogni giorno. Se sei interessato a svolgere un investimento sulle corse dei cavalli, possiamo discuterne, in modo tale che possa aiutarti a generare entrate automatichr. Grazie.
If the favourite is odds on check to see if it was odds on and lost last time out. If it was odds on and lost last time out they usually win. I remember winning my first yankee EVER using this knowledge. Does select and ctrl work when copying and pasting price??
Yes the copy paste should work well for it. Interesting approach, horse racing is an interesting market. The performances are not as important as the inside knowledge it seems!
This is a good starting point since you would probably be better off just laying the favourite since that is what the market is depending on (the favourites performance). Even a lay to back on the favourite would be better since if that doesn't come in the LTF would never come in either.
Hi guys. Some advice pls!! Really like the sound of this. It’s straight forward and looks as though it can work assuming you have good criteria for picking the races. However - I don’t know much about racing. There are like 57 flat race courses in uk & Ire. For me to look at say 15 historical races (a mile and under, big fields etc), then look at what prices were achieved in each race to gauge the profitability cos a big job. Is it worth it? Am I wasting my time?
Even people like myself and much much knowlegable horse racing experts could never call if it was going to be a close finish , be that at 5 furlongs or 3miles, youre not really going to find any data that will help you either , look for other in play strategies which make more sense and are much easier
Can you do a video on this or other strategies we can do over here in the US. Which platforms are best to use. I’m a total newbie to this type of 🐴 sports betting, thank you
Love the videos as always. What would be the downside to setting odds to 3 apart from the liability? Wouldn't that make it easier to get matched and increase the potential of making a profit?
Youre actually much safer backing the field, target one or two horses that run towards the rear , have a history of price drifting in running, use bet angel dutching tool, back all your other selections at current price, keep in running the prices you require, once that price is triggered you have a green book.
That's funny. Reminds me of a very simular method in the Footy Score Market I developed and used some years ago. And it was very successful for a while. The method was to lay every score when the price fell below 6.0. All you needed were games with a couple of goals (the more the better, and the later the better, too) and results not going the expected way (something that happens very often with Football). Imagine, you lay 1-0, 2-0, 3-0 and then suddenly 3-1 come out of the blue at min 85 and you are in full profit. As always, finding the right games is key to be successful. Ah ... before I forget - one more rule - never lay AU :-) - as this result is sticky! As I said I don't use it anymore, so be careful.
@@mrniyi AU = Any Unquoted. Used to be one result, but today it is three (Home, Away and Draw). Don't see much use in this "improvement". With my system, this is the ultimate target. As soon as one team scores the 4th goal, all previous lays are winners and you make the full profit.
@@misterg2201 As I said, I don't use it anymore. Today I use completely different methods that are more profitable and most of all less time consuming. You must see with this method, you ongoing have to watch the correct score market though the entire game to make sure you don't miss a score falling below 6.0. It can be fun, but it also can be exhausting.
I trade horse racing in-play exclusively and I knew this strategy in my first steps in this world and I never used it and here is why: Horses hitting those points and getting your lays matched means it gotta be a really tight race and this usually happens in the last 3 or 4 furlongs, two, three or four horses gotta keep pretty tight at that point in the race. This does not happens pretty often. Also, the strategy exclusively depends on good race selection and you are working with every horse in the race, this means you gotta be sure about the performance of some of your selections and that's not as simple as some people may think. It's all about choosing really competitive races. In conclusion: the strategy is simple to execute but hard to predict how prices will move and how tight and competitive the race will be. I'm not even sure if this works in a better way in flat or national hunt. Also, this strategy is well known by everybody, in-play traders (well, every trader) should go for the unknown and personally created strategies. The strategy sure works, but there is no strategy that works for everyone, this one is pointed to those who are clever and can find really competitive races, that's all the key to make this strategy a profitable one Good video, you were pretty honest with the pros and cons, hope to see more about horse racing in your channel!
In theory this strategy is great, but in real life it is not. I've personally tested it months ago, using software(to make my life easier), but it works sometimes.Basically you need at least two horses to have odds less than 2 to be in profit or breakeven, but in UK and IE races it rarelly happens. Tried it also on US, NZ, AU, SA and FR markets and the situation is similar. I guess it's not just mathematics, many other factors are involved.
It does work but you have to know when to use it. It doesn’t work for every race. My rules to use this: 1) Favourite is at odds of over 4.5 2) Biggest underdog is at odds of lower than 25 or 30 3) 10+ horses in the race (more the better) 4) Decently long race
How come you needed 3 horse to be matched to make a profit? I'm trying it out. 3 matched bets would only break even. 4 or more matched bets would make a profit. Have I done something wrong?
1.11 or 1.09 LTB. At least 1 in 8 maybe 1 in 6 go inside and 1.1 and still lose. Bet it’ll be like a slow 2/3% a day average. Will have to try it on summer racing.
Hi Ben, I am completely new to horse racing and I am trying to implement this strategy. Right now I am only seeing races mainly in USA and Australia. I am trying my best to research the different courses but do you have any specific race tracks that you can recommend me to use for profit as a complete newbie? Thanks Ben
Ciao Lorenzo. Sono un trader professionista e vivo e faccio trading sui cavalli online in Inghilterra. Conosco benissimo la situazione in cui opera l'Italia per i cavalli su Betfair, ovvero ci sono poche corse. Qua invece ci sono corse a non finire ogni giorno. Se sei interessato a svolgere un investimento sulle corse dei cavalli, possiamo discuterne, in modo tale che possa aiutarti a generare entrate automatichr. Grazie.
@@lucazullino3589 ciao, non è che ci sono poche corse, su betfair non ci sono per niente, solo calcio e altri sport minori. Senza parlare dei volumi ridicoli per cui tradare anche sul calcio diventa difficile..tempo fa avevo trovato un broker ma non mi sono fidato. So di broker esteri che sono stati chiusi per l'antiriciclaggio. Scommetto su betflag sui cavalli ma il mio scopo sarebbe quello di tradare..non pensare che movimenti grosse cifre...
@@photograph-p1y ciao. Addirittura Betfair Italia non consente più di scommettere nulla sui cavalli? Ricordo diversi anni fa che qualcosa c'era, ma niente se paragonato al mercato inglese. Se vuoi posso provvedere io a far girare il tuo investimento su Betfair(te ti prenderesti gran parte del guadagno e io magari una piccola percentuale per averti generato un guadagno) , in particolare sulla strategia di far trade sui cavalli. Vivendo in Inghilterra credimi che ci sono corse da mezzanotte alle 24 7 giorni su 7, e le possibilità sono notevoli. Personalmente stò applicando un paio di strategie sui cavalli e sono ormai in profitto da diverso tempo. Se ti interessa fammi sapere e buona giornata. Magari i guadagni te li posso accreditare su paypal , che ritengo il metodo più veloce
@@lucazullino3589 ciao, leggo questo commento anni dopo. Fai ancora trading ? Sei ancora interessato ad aiutare altre persone? Grazie, Beniamino , italiano a Londra
I really dont like this strategy and have only used it a couple of times, most racing traders wouldnt touch this with a barge pole , there are much easier trades to be made in play using skill and judgement, this is just gambling, long term its a slow death as far as your bank is concerned, if you are going to try this I would say lay at intervals, for instance 2.5. 2. 1.7 .1.5 gives you a better chance of not losing as much as the other runners should trigger, I do trade horse racing mostly inplay but would never use this, sorry to be negative.
@@SportsTradingLife Youre much better off getting live pictures like you do from the bookmakers use trading software, a good tatic is to look for signs of distress at about the 3 f mark, if the horse is getting pushed along and the leaders are travelling smoothly then that horse is going at full throttle just to keep up then you would look at laying it, of course be wary of races over the jumps, you would have to watch a lot of races to feel comfortable with this and also some camera angles at certain courses are not good, so theres one mr troll from below thats one exanple , work the rest out for yourself.
mark Jackson you are quite correct in your observations. When this strategy was first conceived it must have seemed very clever and probably worked quite well initially. However as in-play trading quickly caught on and more and more professionals started trading on course with no picture delays and better views of of the action it became a lot harder for off course traders. I believe a lot of on course traders just wait until the last 100 yards where by then you already have a clear winner. This is particularly true in competitive races where no one wants to take too short a price about anything even a furlong out as several could be in contention but somehow one horse suddenly goes odds on because of the on course traders and that horse is the winner. The only realistic way you'll get this to work is if the lead changes in the last 50 yards and although you see this happen, it doesn't happen often enough to be profitable. I've experienced and others have pointed out where 2 have hit the line together yet only 1 may have traded odds on and even lost in the photo! I think these days you have too much against you for this to work long term.
@@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv Hi Michael, Ive had a go at on course myself at Pontefract using the method you stated above, difficult is my word word experience of it. If i was ever to consider doing it again I would set up as follows, you need two of you, one at the course positioned between 1 f and finish line the other at home on computer, mobile phone connection, one needs to be very good at race reading, other needs to be quick and proficient on software, your going to be getting odds of 1.4 region for the place market, any mistake would ruin your day , personally I wouldnt trust anyone else at either.
Watched the video and tried it. I followed exactly what you said but went for £10 instead of £50. But, I had one horse that was matched at 1.12 and cost me £2.40 for £20. I can’t work out why that was?
All info free at Timeform for you to check past in-running prices and results. You can waste your time there. Very few races result in 3 horses matched at less than 2.00 and 4 horses virtually never.
First my English is not very good so I hope you will understand my message Second I just subscribe to your channel last week and I already watch half of your videos or what I am trying to say is I love your channel Third I am not a trade I just use normal betting but I still learned a lot from your videos So finally I have a question and I hope you will answered What the advantage of using trade betting or what I mean is it better to bet on sports using normal bet or it's better to bet using trade
I remember you said in one of your videos that as a trade you are relying on the market movement but you can do the same if you are using a normal bet or fix odd but you need to watch the game live so you can take the advantage of the market movement
There are many advantage but the main advantage is that if you win on the exchange you will not get your account shut down. If you win on a bookmaker you will not last long.
@@SportsTradingLife Hi Ben, I have question regarding Book makers. When normal customer like place bet in sport markets . Do book markers like BET365 and William place lay bet in exchange market or they take a risk and place out to customer if they win. thank you
Dans le même cas que vous, pas de chance pour nous résidents français. Je me pose toujours la question pourquoi orbitX à supprimer le lay horse racing pas d’infos sur le net...
@@ruprotor428 oui du coup on ne peut pas être concernés c'est dommage. A mon avis pas assez de monde sur ce type de paris en France, outre Manche ce fut un des premiers paris en exchange. Faudrait + de demandes
Come on guys!! The system is the system. No where does he say follow this blind and you’ll be a millionaire😂 the biggest edge you’ll have in the market is YOU. The same system could be used by a million different people with a million different results. If you don’t paper trade something you’re not familiar with before putting in your hard earned money then you deserve what’s coming. It’s free info and a pointer towards using your savvy and pulling a bit of coin from the exchange👍
But that's the whole point of being succesful in the long run which is picking your races carefully. There is no point in trading as much for less value.
If U are a beginner Do NOT follow this strategy it's - EV long term. So many races where the second place loses by a nose and doesn't even hit odds on. Be very careful
Caio Schumacher you are quite correct. I've tested this strategy fortunately with small stakes. I've succeeded around 25% , broken even around 25% and lost the other 50%. And yes I've had it happen to me where 2 have been in a tight photo but only the eventual 2and traded odds on! More often than not with this strategy you'll only lay the winner or just break even. Also with jump racing you find you get a breakaway group of maybe 3 or 4 horses and only be matched on 1 (the winner). This is not a profitable strategy long-term .
You back the field then, presumably? After all, if any method is a "sure way to lose", taking the other side of the method must be a sure way to win, right? Or are you suggesting EVERYONE loses, perhaps by nature of the spread? 2-3% of gamblers would disagree. Although they probably don't make a lot of noise about it....
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Thanks, Ben for taking the time to make this video. It is not a new strategy and unfortunately it no longer works. A random date - 1st May 2019, there were 35 UK races. Using Betfair's Starting Price History resulted in: 19 races where just 1 horse dropped below 2.00 in running (-19pts) 11 Races where 2 horses dropped below 2.00 (break even) 4 races where 3 dropped below 2.00 (4pts profit) and just 1 race where 4 horses dropped below 2.00 (2pts profit). A total for the day of -5 pts loss. Another random date: 26th July 2019 - 41 races resulted in -18pts loss. And a 3rd date: 16th August 2019: 41 races with -5pts loss. Even with filtering - say sprint races, would not (in the examples) have produced a profit. And lowering to odds to 1.75 gave: +0.75pts, - 13.75pts and -0.75pts. At odds of 1.5 it is: +5.5pts, -10.5pts and +0.5pts. Yes, only 3 (random) days but I would suggest that this strategy is no longer much used because it is not profitable in the long-run.
Yes if you do it blindly it definitely will not work. You have to be VERY selective. I have a follow up video coming where I explain how some are STILL making it work today.
@@SportsTradingLife which video Mr Bean?
How did you do this research
Finally strategies on horse racing!!👏🏼👏🏼
More to come!
The one mistake many people make is to take everything at face value. And that's usually what separates winners from losers. This is a basic strategy with sound reasoning. All it takes is a smart trader to tweak and adjust and test out things.
Maybe lay at 1.51 or 1.52, rather than 1.50? You would then get in first so horses are more likely to get matched
Filter is essential, according to me try only 2 or 3 years horses racing , short distance preference
TOP MAN, this strategy is nuts
Finally Racing! Thank you Ben!
More to come!
Madness to do it on distances like this especially with irish racing and the shenanigans that go on there.
Shorter genuine handicap races are way more profitable.. Somewhere like lingfield where leaders get reeled in frequently due to the camber are ideal for this.
I'm very new to all this, but i'd of though there'd be more changed in the longer races?
Tried Laying the Field on pre selected races in Australia (Flemington and Randwick) on saturday for the first time using certain criteria and on 9 races using 1.7 and a stake of $10. Lost on one race. Even with small profit on 4 races and won laying on 3 or more for a profit of $48. All done manually and was heaps of fun. With the Spring carnival just warming up and big competitive fields it should be fun.
The Benny Hill music - nice touch! Haha!
Thanks so much, Ben for keeping your great videos coming - the one on trading friendly football matches was really useful too! 👍
Glad you like them!
Came up with an interesting twist on this strategy to make it THEORETICALLY better. I've not tested it but I do fancy it.
How's it been working for you?
I have found if you lay at 1.5 in a two horse race where both horses are odds on or have low odds then every time I have found both end up being matched in play giving a garanteed profit.
I have found similar in the 2 horse race match ups but they are rare to come across. You need both horses around 2.0 at the start of the race. You can then get matched multiple times at 1.50 too.
Thanks Ben
I like this. It's not going to produce a regular income, but if you use the correct filters - large field, about 1 mile, at least 2 (pref 3 or more) evenly matched likely front runners - then even if you only get to use it a few times a week it's icing on the cake. An extra £30-£40 here and there will do nicely thank you. I'm not going to say no just because I can't use it on every race.
Varying success here as well... had a couple of races where I got 4 matched at evens, but then you could get 3 in a row where just the winner would be taken. Might work for some,, but I'd use it only for fun.
Basically, this is a one trip strategy to loserville, where they'll show you the one time it does work, and negate the 50 times it doesn't! strategies like this are still being punted, mainly ... but they're often used by someone trying to sell you something or who have an affiliate link to something!
@@utubecomment21 i wouldnt go that far you can still win from it if you pick it appropriately...im still on profit from it but i dont expect to use it again..
@@Zed1914 Take me for a ride on your jet then! :)
Come on dude, you and I know this is really 'ol' strategy' horse dung!
@@utubecomment21 you ve lost a bunch on this I take it :D ? Cant be that salty for no reason ... If you dont like it fair play... each his own mate.
@@Zed1914 I've actually never used this system and I wouldn't.
As for salty ... far from it. I trade in financial markets mainly, and I do this for fun in between trading the financial stuff. But there are so many horse dung strategies that still get flung around … i'm surprised this one is still going.
As for myself, I finalised on my third multimillion pound property in Toronto, just before the first lockdown. So London is my base, I have a property out in Portugal on the outskirts of Lisbon for when I want to surf, and I went for Toronto because I like the place ... although it's only warm two months of the year there, regardless of what anyone else tells you … it's freezing most of the time.
My properties are all staffed, and are for personal use for myself, family and friends, not a 'buy-to-let' situation! Again, all the properties were well over the million mark, paid for in cash, no mortgage. So salty I'm most definitely not. I have nothing to be salty/bitter about as I made myself financially secure many years ago. Now I play for fun, using money from the interest off my various investments ... but not using this strategy, obviously!
All the best!
Thanks Ben , here in italy week can't trade horse, however is a great video.
Sorry to hear that
Ciao Michele. Sono un trader professionista e vivo e faccio trading sui cavalli online in Inghilterra. Conosco benissimo la situazione in cui opera l'Italia per i cavalli su Betfair, ovvero ci sono poche corse. Qua invece ci sono corse a non finire ogni giorno. Se sei interessato a svolgere un investimento sulle corse dei cavalli, possiamo discuterne, in modo tale che possa aiutarti a generare entrate automatichr. Grazie.
Hope you enjoyed, here is the PDF to check out: sportstradinglife.com/ltf
BF's Best Price Execution, what are the Pros and Cons when trying to get matched on LTF lay the field at 1.1 in running, thanks Dan
If the favourite is odds on check to see if it was odds on and lost last time out. If it was odds on and lost last time out they usually win. I remember winning my first yankee EVER using this knowledge. Does select and ctrl work when copying and pasting price??
Yes the copy paste should work well for it.
Interesting approach, horse racing is an interesting market. The performances are not as important as the inside knowledge it seems!
Did you made any pre live search / pre analyses?
Thank you very much for your video, by the way how can I have access to your private videos
Which ones?
What software do recommend using wth this strategy.
It best with handicap sprints, as the key is obviously getting matched in a lot of cases,
Hey Ben. Are you avoiding races with an odds on favourite? Cheers
This is a good starting point since you would probably be better off just laying the favourite since that is what the market is depending on (the favourites performance).
Even a lay to back on the favourite would be better since if that doesn't come in the LTF would never come in either.
You planning on doing any more horse racing strategies?
Yes very soon!
I wonder what was hidden at 6:45?
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first time I see this strategy , does it have to be a lot of horses ? is it risk free or low risk?
Hi guys. Some advice pls!! Really like the sound of this. It’s straight forward and looks as though it can work assuming you have good criteria for picking the races. However - I don’t know much about racing. There are like 57 flat race courses in uk & Ire. For me to look at say 15 historical races (a mile and under, big fields etc), then look at what prices were achieved in each race to gauge the profitability cos a big job. Is it worth it? Am I wasting my time?
Even people like myself and much much knowlegable horse racing experts could never call if it was going to be a close finish , be that at 5 furlongs or 3miles, youre not really going to find any data that will help you either , look for other in play strategies which make more sense and are much easier
Can you do a video on this or other strategies we can do over here in the US. Which platforms are best to use. I’m a total newbie to this type of 🐴 sports betting, thank you
How did you get the live pictures, you didn't mention this, did you put in a scratch trade earlier in the day?
Good question. A scratch trade will work, I also just throw a 2 pound bet on the place market for the favourite which also allows the live pics.
Whats the best software to analyze the data?
Cheers Ben! Decent strategy
Love the videos as always. What would be the downside to setting odds to 3 apart from the liability? Wouldn't that make it easier to get matched and increase the potential of making a profit?
Good question! The downside is you need MORE horses matches to make a profit, in this case you would need 4!
Youre actually much safer backing the field, target one or two horses that run towards the rear , have a history of price drifting in running, use bet angel dutching tool, back all your other selections at current price, keep in running the prices you require, once that price is triggered you have a green book.
Surely if you get this wrong, you'd lose a packet?
@@sjewitt22 oh you do, ok if you fancy a gamble, its not trading.
That's funny. Reminds me of a very simular method in the Footy Score Market I developed and used some years ago. And it was very successful for a while. The method was to lay every score when the price fell below 6.0. All you needed were games with a couple of goals (the more the better, and the later the better, too) and results not going the expected way (something that happens very often with Football). Imagine, you lay 1-0, 2-0, 3-0 and then suddenly 3-1 come out of the blue at min 85 and you are in full profit. As always, finding the right games is key to be successful. Ah ... before I forget - one more rule - never lay AU :-) - as this result is sticky! As I said I don't use it anymore, so be careful.
What do you mean by AU
@@mrniyi AU = Any Unquoted. Used to be one result, but today it is three (Home, Away and Draw). Don't see much use in this "improvement". With my system, this is the ultimate target. As soon as one team scores the 4th goal, all previous lays are winners and you make the full profit.
Do you still use this tactic?
@@misterg2201 As I said, I don't use it anymore. Today I use completely different methods that are more profitable and most of all less time consuming. You must see with this method, you ongoing have to watch the correct score market though the entire game to make sure you don't miss a score falling below 6.0. It can be fun, but it also can be exhausting.
@@Klaus80804 what methods do you use now? And in which sport.
Yep some tactics can be mentally exhausting
I’m in Australia, and we have larger fields than England, what would you consider a ‘large field’-10, 11,,12 horses?
I trade horse racing in-play exclusively and I knew this strategy in my first steps in this world and I never used it and here is why:
Horses hitting those points and getting your lays matched means it gotta be a really tight race and this usually happens in the last 3 or 4 furlongs, two, three or four horses gotta keep pretty tight at that point in the race. This does not happens pretty often. Also, the strategy exclusively depends on good race selection and you are working with every horse in the race, this means you gotta be sure about the performance of some of your selections and that's not as simple as some people may think. It's all about choosing really competitive races.
In conclusion: the strategy is simple to execute but hard to predict how prices will move and how tight and competitive the race will be. I'm not even sure if this works in a better way in flat or national hunt. Also, this strategy is well known by everybody, in-play traders (well, every trader) should go for the unknown and personally created strategies. The strategy sure works, but there is no strategy that works for everyone, this one is pointed to those who are clever and can find really competitive races, that's all the key to make this strategy a profitable one
Good video, you were pretty honest with the pros and cons, hope to see more about horse racing in your channel!
Very good points mate, thanks for dropping by!
In theory this strategy is great, but in real life it is not. I've personally tested it months ago, using software(to make my life easier), but it works sometimes.Basically you need at least two horses to have odds less than 2 to be in profit or breakeven, but in UK and IE races it rarelly happens. Tried it also on US, NZ, AU, SA and FR markets and the situation is similar. I guess it's not just mathematics, many other factors are involved.
I disagree, I've been horse race trading for the past few months and I see 2+ horses trading below odds 2 in-play every day
@@misterg2201 go out there and use the strategy for a week and let me know if you won something :)
@@kalinpetangelov what strategy do you use ?
@@misterg2201 so?
It does work but you have to know when to use it. It doesn’t work for every race.
My rules to use this:
1) Favourite is at odds of over 4.5
2) Biggest underdog is at odds of lower than 25 or 30
3) 10+ horses in the race (more the better)
4) Decently long race
I live in the USA. can i use US dollars in this strategy or do i need british pounds to use betfair.
thank u u are the best please share a new more strategy i know u are profesional trader
Love the video Ben. Thank you for sharing. Be interesting if anyone remembers Benny Hill 😀
Glad you enjoyed it
Benny Hill was William (Billy) Hill's father. He was a Fook Maker.
How come you needed 3 horse to be matched to make a profit? I'm trying it out. 3 matched bets would only break even. 4 or more matched bets would make a profit. Have I done something wrong?
Tried this. After placing bets before dies not give me keep option and all bets get canceled
Raise the Lay price to 3.0 or 4.0 or even 5.0 . Leave out the favorites.
Don Ellis
Do you have any statistics about this that you can come up with?
What sort of software does Ben mean? Does he sell it or use it himself? Keep up the good work and thanks for the help
He means Betfair trading software, e.g Bet Angel, Bet Trader, Geeks Toy etc. to name a few
1.11 or 1.09 LTB. At least 1 in 8 maybe 1 in 6 go inside and 1.1 and still lose. Bet it’ll be like a slow 2/3% a day average. Will have to try it on summer racing.
Hi Ben, I am completely new to horse racing and I am trying to implement this strategy. Right now I am only seeing races mainly in USA and Australia. I am trying my best to research the different courses but do you have any specific race tracks that you can recommend me to use for profit as a complete newbie? Thanks Ben
Randwick race
Lay the Field at 0.1 at least 1 in 8 beaton once gone under 1.1. Twice today went 1.03 and 1.06 and both houses lost.
There is no option to “keep” my bets, can anyone help? Cheers!
Did you check the race is offering in-play betting?
Sports Trading Life I didn’t realise some races didn’t offer in-play betting, thanks for your help Ben, cheers!:-)
Can't see the link for the pdf
I can’t find the link to the pdf......
Omg this is some smart sh*t 🤣🤣🙏🏼
Lay the favourite last day race maybe BEST?
Hey, how can I play on betfair if I am in Belgium ? Because I try with a broker to play on orbit but now they do not laying horse.
tu es obligé de passer un broker genre acc-ex mais c'est cher
Can I bet with a broker because betfair in Italy does not allow racing?
Ciao Lorenzo. Sono un trader professionista e vivo e faccio trading sui cavalli online in Inghilterra. Conosco benissimo la situazione in cui opera l'Italia per i cavalli su Betfair, ovvero ci sono poche corse. Qua invece ci sono corse a non finire ogni giorno. Se sei interessato a svolgere un investimento sulle corse dei cavalli, possiamo discuterne, in modo tale che possa aiutarti a generare entrate automatichr. Grazie.
@@lucazullino3589 ciao, non è che ci sono poche corse, su betfair non ci sono per niente, solo calcio e altri sport minori. Senza parlare dei volumi ridicoli per cui tradare anche sul calcio diventa difficile..tempo fa avevo trovato un broker ma non mi sono fidato. So di broker esteri che sono stati chiusi per l'antiriciclaggio. Scommetto su betflag sui cavalli ma il mio scopo sarebbe quello di tradare..non pensare che movimenti grosse cifre...
@@photograph-p1y ciao. Addirittura Betfair Italia non consente più di scommettere nulla sui cavalli? Ricordo diversi anni fa che qualcosa c'era, ma niente se paragonato al mercato inglese. Se vuoi posso provvedere io a far girare il tuo investimento su Betfair(te ti prenderesti gran parte del guadagno e io magari una piccola percentuale per averti generato un guadagno) , in particolare sulla strategia di far trade sui cavalli. Vivendo in Inghilterra credimi che ci sono corse da mezzanotte alle 24 7 giorni su 7, e le possibilità sono notevoli. Personalmente stò applicando un paio di strategie sui cavalli e sono ormai in profitto da diverso tempo. Se ti interessa fammi sapere e buona giornata. Magari i guadagni te li posso accreditare su paypal , che ritengo il metodo più veloce
@@lucazullino3589 mi interessa
@@lucazullino3589 ciao, leggo questo commento anni dopo. Fai ancora trading ? Sei ancora interessato ad aiutare altre persone? Grazie, Beniamino , italiano a Londra
It seems that there is no more button "keep". Or I am wrong ?
Horses Ben? Must be the lockdown boredom and the cover girl is missing too! Great video tho, cheers 👍
;-)
If we back you on Patreon do we get topless covergirls?
I really dont like this strategy and have only used it a couple of times, most racing traders wouldnt touch this with a barge pole
, there are much easier trades to be made in play using skill and judgement, this is just gambling, long term its a slow death as far as your bank is concerned, if you are going to try this I would say lay at intervals, for instance 2.5. 2. 1.7 .1.5 gives you a better chance of not losing as much as the other runners should trigger, I do trade horse racing mostly inplay but would never use this, sorry to be negative.
Not negative at all Mark, always fair to hear someone else's experience.
@Laughing Gravy yeah right
@@SportsTradingLife Youre much better off getting live pictures like you do from the bookmakers use trading software, a good tatic is to look for signs of distress at about the 3 f mark, if the horse is getting pushed along and the leaders are travelling smoothly then that horse is going at full throttle just to keep up then you would look at laying it, of course be wary of races over the jumps, you would have to watch a lot of races to feel comfortable with this and also some camera angles at certain courses are not good, so theres one mr troll from below thats one exanple , work the rest out for yourself.
mark Jackson you are quite correct in your observations. When this strategy was first conceived it must have seemed very clever and probably worked quite well initially. However as in-play trading quickly caught on and more and more professionals started trading on course with no picture delays and better views of of the action it became a lot harder for off course traders. I believe a lot of on course traders just wait until the last 100 yards where by then you already have a clear winner. This is particularly true in competitive races where no one wants to take too short a price about anything even a furlong out as several could be in contention but somehow one horse suddenly goes odds on because of the on course traders and that horse is the winner. The only realistic way you'll get this to work is if the lead changes in the last 50 yards and although you see this happen, it doesn't happen often enough to be profitable. I've experienced and others have pointed out where 2 have hit the line together yet only 1 may have traded odds on and even lost in the photo! I think these days you have too much against you for this to work long term.
@@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv Hi Michael, Ive had a go at on course myself at Pontefract using the method you stated above, difficult is my word word experience of it. If i was ever to consider doing it again I would set up as follows, you need two of you, one at the course positioned between 1 f and finish line the other at home on computer, mobile phone connection, one needs to be very good at race reading, other needs to be quick and proficient on software, your going to be getting odds of 1.4 region for the place market, any mistake would ruin your day , personally I wouldnt trust anyone else at either.
Watched the video and tried it. I followed exactly what you said but went for £10 instead of £50. But, I had one horse that was matched at 1.12 and cost me £2.40 for £20. I can’t work out why that was?
I'm not sure what you mean, did you make a profit overall in that race?
All info free at Timeform for you to check past in-running prices and results. You can waste your time there. Very few races result in 3 horses matched at less than 2.00 and 4 horses virtually never.
First my English is not very good so I hope you will understand my message
Second I just subscribe to your channel last week and I already watch half of your videos or what I am trying to say is I love your channel
Third I am not a trade I just use normal betting but I still learned a lot from your videos
So finally I have a question and I hope you will answered
What the advantage of using trade betting or what I mean is it better to bet on sports using normal bet or it's better to bet using trade
I remember you said in one of your videos that as a trade you are relying on the market movement but you can do the same if you are using a normal bet or fix odd but you need to watch the game live so you can take the advantage of the market movement
There are many advantage but the main advantage is that if you win on the exchange you will not get your account shut down. If you win on a bookmaker you will not last long.
@@SportsTradingLife Hi Ben, I have question regarding Book makers. When normal customer like place bet in sport markets . Do book markers like BET365 and William place lay bet in exchange market or they take a risk and place out to customer if they win.
thank you
Question : je suis français et je ne peu utiliser que ORBITX Echange, on ne peut pas LAY sur ce support ?
Sur les horses racing* je précise
Dans le même cas que vous, pas de chance pour nous résidents français. Je me pose toujours la question pourquoi orbitX à supprimer le lay horse racing pas d’infos sur le net...
Moi j'utilise acc-ex mais c'est cher 50 euros par mois. A réserver aux grosses bankroll
@@ruprotor428 oui du coup on ne peut pas être concernés c'est dommage.
A mon avis pas assez de monde sur ce type de paris en France, outre Manche ce fut un des premiers paris en exchange. Faudrait + de demandes
Well if 2 horse matches that just money back you dont win like the video says
Come on guys!! The system is the system. No where does he say follow this blind and you’ll be a millionaire😂 the biggest edge you’ll have in the market is YOU. The same system could be used by a million different people with a million different results. If you don’t paper trade something you’re not familiar with before putting in your hard earned money then you deserve what’s coming. It’s free info and a pointer towards using your savvy and pulling a bit of coin from the exchange👍
Very wise words!
I guarantee this is not a profitable strategy on the long term.You need to select races VERY carefully and is not often enough
But that's the whole point of being succesful in the long run which is picking your races carefully. There is no point in trading as much for less value.
If U are a beginner Do NOT follow this strategy it's - EV long term. So many races where the second place loses by a nose and doesn't even hit odds on. Be very careful
Agreed, would be oh so easy otherwise. The one winning example shown is very rare and the losing one so typical .
Caio Schumacher you are quite correct. I've tested this strategy fortunately with small stakes. I've succeeded around 25% , broken even around 25% and lost the other 50%. And yes I've had it happen to me where 2 have been in a tight photo but only the eventual 2and traded odds on! More often than not with this strategy you'll only lay the winner or just break even. Also with jump racing you find you get a breakaway group of maybe 3 or 4 horses and only be matched on 1 (the winner). This is not a profitable strategy long-term .
@@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv what strategy do you use now?
Why did you send me a football system,when i asked for lay the field
it doesnt work
You may as well just lay the favourite each time, it's just as risky!
And iff the favourite is priced at 3-1 or 4-1 it is just as risky? Not sure about that.
Lay the field is a sure way to lose money.
How so?
You back the field then, presumably? After all, if any method is a "sure way to lose", taking the other side of the method must be a sure way to win, right?
Or are you suggesting EVERYONE loses, perhaps by nature of the spread? 2-3% of gamblers would disagree. Although they probably don't make a lot of noise about it....
Its not gonna happen, when the lay odds are over $5 , who the idiot will match 1.75 odds , I tried many time, doesn't work. waste of time