When I hear people say that they prefer the early Beatles I always respond that if they had played the same type of music in 1967 as in 1964 very few people would have spoken of them today. It was from 1965 and onwards that The Beatles created music history. With no "Sgt. Pepper" and no "Abbey Road" they would have stayed in the same league as Gerry and The Pacemakers or the Dave Clark Five, and all interest in them would have been just a question of nostalgia.
The Beatles were just on the cusp of drugs being perceived as acceptable or enhancing, not bad, at that time. Fifty years later we know that the use of LSD can cause or enhance preexisting mental illness. I believe that if John were alive today he would be suffering the psychological effects of the substances he abused back then. He was an extremely emotionally fragile man who relied on Yoko to make himself whole. It is now known that John consumed an ungodly amount of LSD on a daily basis for a while. Look at Syd Barrett. Paul and Ringo are the exceptions. They both have led healthy lives for the last 40 years, and it shows. Thank you for the excellent video documentation of a major historical time in our lives!
I still believe that their breakup was inevitable… Given the fact that they were all maturing as people individually… wouldn’t it make sense that their interests would eventually change the dynamics of the band. The people who solely blame Yoko for the breakup of the band… are not being fair… would I have wanted her around everywhere John went… no … but if you watched the documentary… you saw the tension between say George and Paul… when Paul…” suggested “… how George should play his guitar. George’s reaction was…”I’m leaving the band… “ John asks “ when?” George responds…” now “ . I believe your point that they could have done solo projects… and then done Beatles work together… IF … things that hadn’t happened… happen in the first place. I think that things started getting difficult for them after Brian Epstein passed away… the guidance and buffer between the band and how they were handled was now gone….! I’ll stand by my opening statement… I think it was inevitable that they would eventually break up… it was just a natural progression of four individuals growing up and developing their own music and personalities. If you still need proof… listen to All Things Must Pass…. All the songs George had saved… a beautiful work. I miss John and George not being here… still… but so grateful that I have the music 🎶 available wherever I need it… thanks 🙏 as always for the music 🎼 🎶🎼… 🌞🌻🌞
I am in agreement with you. Everybody changes over time. Dreams and ambitions change and sometimes anything getting in the way of those dreams and visions has to go - left by the wayside so to speak. No one major factor was at play in the break up in my opinion. Lots of new drives and passions and when you have 4 key players in a band not wanting to to be part of the other members desires then they probably asked themselves “What’s the point in continuing?)
Of course we can not blame yoko for the Beatles breaking up But it is true John (as we all can see in Peter Jackson's "Get Back) needed more time to be with her...
Off the subject...a little. It literally pains me to watch these very popular vlogers on RUclips (Mostly from the U.S.A.---I'm personally from Sacramento, Ca) That worship the ground of Elvis Presley. And they make no mention of the Beatles. I don't get it. I'm in the camp of what John Lennon said years ago " Elvis died when he went into the Army!" Elvis never wrote any songs. And to me, There is no comparison to the talent of the Beatles. This Elvis worship over here is just a puzzlement. Thank the lord for your channel for being a forever ray of sunshine to me.
Always when Beatle fans point out "The Beatles wrote their own songs!" as if this is a golden orb of worth, I remind them.. some of those songs were "You Know My Name" "Love Me Do" "Little Child" "Run For Your Life" "I Me Mine" all 94 seconds of it. Then when someone like Tony Bennett dies.. we're supposed to overlook this man's tremendous artistry as a musician and point out "he didn't write his own songs!" but then we're shocked when we put on Beatles for Sale and some kid doesn't get what the fuss is all about! In a few weeks we're supposed to receive a new update of The Beatles 62 - 70 and some speculate that "Twist & Shout" or "Roll Over Beethoven" might be included on it as some covers like these & "You Really Got a Hold On Me" were the strongest songs on their respective albums. I love the songs I listed above.. I love the Beatles and appreciate their unique eccentric way of conducting their careers. I think the Beatles are the Greatest.. but I am not someone who will just say.. "because I love the Beatles.. Ringo is better than Chick Webb and Louis Bellson combined.. I'm not going to dismiss the skills of The Wrecking Crew.. the Funk Brothers or The Faces and the Pretty things when assessing musical skill. And I would be in a poor state not to acknowledge Burt Bacharach, Smokey Robinson or Larry Williams as GREAT writers of rock and roll tunes as even THE BEATLES THEMSELVES did! I get it... that the Beatles did all that work IN HOUSE speaks volumes of their greatness. Just remember.. next time you listen to the 2nd side of Abbey Road.. listen to each medley track separately with a space of 5 minutes before going on to the next one while you look up the Billboard top 100 albums for August 8 1969 and just realize we are ALL HUMAN.. we aspire to greatness and some of us will even taste it for a fleeting moment.
I remember in the Rutles spoof that when Mick Jagger was interviewed and asked “who broke up The Rutles?” he replied “Women - getting in the way” I agree with your Apple Core tax comments Tudor, The Stones went into Exile on Main Street France! I think John and Paul’s song writing credentials extend well beyond the Beatles break up. George wrote some brilliant songs with The Beatles, and on All Things Must Pass. After that triple album though I’m hard pressed to come up with many memorable songs. He did become a master slide guitar player though.
It is a shame they didn't do as the Doors and have the four members credited under the title The Doors. If the songs were credited to the Beatles, we wouldn't have the bickering now.
I suppose in trying to formulate 1 controversy which possibly, did not endear the Beatles to the people, was when John said that The Beatles were more famous than Jesus. The problem with John, that yes, he was brilliant, but he was also politically naive. And we all know that the some of the American faiths and doctrines were unhappy.
Just on the tax point, they weren't charged 95% on all of their earnings. That was a marginal rate on the top slice, as it were. But even so, you wouldn't really blame anyone for trying to keep that top slice as small as possible, presumably via elements of creative accountancy.
@@TudorSmith yes i think you're right! To.tell you the truth i love the Beatles ! When they seperate i was 16 years old! In 1970! I was very upset,verr sad,and since this time i 've never stopped listening to them! And i'm.French ,i mean we the French we never had a band like the Beatles!!! Never! Because we are not made for Rock'n Roll ,for Pop Music, we're just made for Poetry perhaps? But that's all! Anyway i do like your video Sir ! They remind me of the good time , of my youth! I'm 69.years old now! Sir Paul.Mac Cartney is 80 ! Ringo Starr is i think 81 i guess! And George and John are in heaven!!! Once again thank's a lot for what you do Sir! Stay safe! God Bless! Denis from France...
I think even now, true blue fans dismiss anything they hear or is said as hearsay if they don’t agree with it! I was once riding the escalator at Kings Cross going up. Alex Kingston was opposite me going down. Our eyes locked and we just stared at each other as we passed, all the way to the end of our respective rides. I’ve always wondered if I had a missed opportunity 😍
Firstly my thoughts on your choices...which weren't very controversial lol 1. Breaking up - A natural thing, they’d done 7 years in the limelight producing almost 2 albums a year plus standalone singles, a few movies and all the touring from 1963 to 1966. They’d been in the eye of the storm and now they were growing up and developing into different artists. 2. Yoko - She must have had a big impact, especially her constant presence in the studio which had been their own space, but see 1 3. Musical Development - That was the greatest thing about the band, they refused to stay still. They were hungry for progression and never wanted to repeat themselves and that’s why they achieved what they did and are still revered for their artistic output and integrity. I think McCartney was the main driver. 4. Drug Use - It was part of their growth as artists and people, fortunately none of them became casualties 5. Song writing credits - Although John & Paul did develop their own writing apart, they still contributed to each other’s work and I think it drove them competitively too 6. Abbey Road crossing - Only an issue to the residents and road users. Just shows how iconic the band were that this is treated as a must do for so many people every single day 50 years later. 7. Plagiarism - It was influences, not plagiarism. It is astonishing that with the vast output of work there is only one case of copyright infringement, Lennon’s “Come Together”. Copyright covers the melody and lyrics, not bass lines or drum fills etc. The Beatles (and the Stones) both played covers early on and gave credit and also promoted the black artists. Contrast with Led Zeppelin and their first 4 albums which is grand larceny. 8. "Harrisongs"- He was a late bloomer and the highlights of his Beatles work are Something, Here Comes and the Sun and While My Guitar Gently Weeps. Although his first solo album is rightly feted the rest of his career was fairly average. 9. Anti-Establishment - They were, but also weren’t. They played the game but only as far as they wanted to. They were a Trojan horse for the youth movement breaking down the barriers, especially with their tours of America and refusal to play to segregated audiences and promotion of black music. Lennon then broke ranks in the late 60s to be more political. But McCartney was busted more, and had more songs banned. 10. Tax Evasion - They did nothing illegal and unlike the Stones and other artists actually stayed in the UK and paid their taxes despite the ridiculous percentage. Phew...😂
Revisit no.8 my apologies but you are wrong about George Harrison. He contributed to the Lennon-McCartney compositions as they developed works collectively, until it came to George’s work. He was suppressed by the egos of Lennon & McCartney which is why, in time, he worked his ideas out with other artists, to name a significant collaborator, Eric Clapton. He wrote and performed Taxman, Something aside from many others. His first album (triple), Concert for Bangladeshi and Living in the Material World were all worthy pieces of work as was his last, Brainwashed. In between those he met and married Olivia, had a Son (who he doted on) and tried to live some sort of a normal life, turning to gardening his huge Friar Park estate (which today is part of our National Heritage and without George’s intervention would most likely have been a housing estate). John Lennon’s post Beatles output had few truly remarkable works. Paul McCartney has had a few great songs but nothing as great as a Beatles collaboration and Ringo, bless him, has had songs provided by George, John and even today Paul (he’s a great drummer on so many works though) Basically, they ‘grew’ up, grew apart, grew ego’s and needed their individual space. They were great (and still are to me) but, even after John was murdered, they came back together to try working on 4 of John demo songs - they succeeded on 3 of them. Enuf Said
You're getting dislikes because you think the Beatles stopped being rock and roll and decided to be a pop band This is categorically wrong. They never stopped being a Rock band , McCartney even said, straight up, "were a rock band" and they have plenty of rock songs after the first few years. To call the Beatles "pop" because they had very catch popular songs is wrong. Pure and simple. I guess Metallica is a pop band because of "nothing else matters" and "unforgiven" , etc.... ??? Nope, they are still a metal band THE BEATLES WERE ALWAYS A ROCK BAND. Both Paul and John referred to the Beatles as ROCK You don't know better than them. Having said all this, i DID NOT dislike your video. I really liked it, actually, but when i heard you emphatically day the Beatles were pop, i knew why you got dislikes.
@@TudorSmith even if Im onto something, my comment sounded rude. I apologize. I really like your channel because you put a lot of effort into it. You have a lot of good videos . I'm sorry for being annoying. ✌️🙂✌️
Not to make musical comparisons between BTS and the Beatles, but I see these very same (or similar) controversies amongst the fandoms. That's just proprietary fans doing what they do. Get a room full of Doctor Who fans together and it'll be full of controversy too. 😆
Based on everybody’s individual perceptions and “beliefs” in what they know? 🤣 I’m not into Dr Who but Alex Kingston was good want she? What/who is BTS?
@@TudorSmith💜 BTS is a Korean group that's hitting its 10th anniversary at a time when the members are going their separate ways, temporarily they say, in order to perform their mandatory military service. Alex Kingston was awesome, yes 🥰
The Jesus comment and the Bible belt uproar and them speaking about the Vietnam war ,especially John , with his peace campaigns was pretty controversial... not with the fans so much but with some of the establishment and certainly with the Nixon administration who tried to keep John out of the U.S.A .Ironically if Nixon would have been successful , John might still be alive today.
There were remarkably uncontroversial. Drugs (including heroin for John), long and then even longer hair, working class accents, womanising on tour, Jesus thing, John/Yoko bagism etc, Phillipines, Maharishi. Pretty bland really.
Now real controversy 1. Hamburg - They weren't the cuddly moptops of their closely manufactured. They were a rough bunch (opposites to The Rolling Stones) and got up to some pretty “controversial” things over there from Lennon’s onstage arm salutes, the drugs to prostitutes, mugging sailors and urinatimg on nuns 😱 2. Sacking Pete Best - Yes, it was the right thing to do musically, but they must have been really hard faced to do it, and even more so to just cut him completely out until the royalties from Anthology. But Lennon did once say “The Beatles were the biggest b*st*rds on earth”. They were certainly very protected by a small close group of loyal friends and associates and got up to all sorts on their tours which were unreported as they also had a good relationship with the press. 3. Lennon’s attitudes - It’s very uncomfortable watching Lennon on stage with his mock disabled clapping. Even the first time I saw that as a child in the 70s I was really taken aback. He was also supposed to be very caustic to those he felt were below him… and could be a “nasty piece of work”. But I think this was a defence for his insecurity and there is plenty evidence of his more gently and benevolent side 4. Lennon’s violence - He beat up the DJ Bob Wooler at Paul 21st over jibes on his sexuality, and also confessed to beating Julia and hitting at least one other. And there's the line in Getting Better "I used to be cruel to my woman, beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved..". He did admit and regret those things and became a prominent campaigner for peace and women’s rights. 5. Harrison’s personal attitudes and lifestyle - For all his wise religious musings and humour George was very money orientated (he wrote Taxman), and a “red hot womaniser”, notorious for sleeping around (including with his best mate Ringo’s wife, Maureen Starkey), and had a coke habit in the 70s. He was certainly “Loving” in the material world. But again like John he was also a very generous soul too, just look at the time and effort he spent on the Bangladesh concert. 6. McCartney’s legal issues - Macca was busted several times including deported from Hamburg with Pete Best for “arson”, and several high profile drug busts. 7. The breakup and it's fallout - For a band with so much positive vibes and peace n love the breakup was as bitchy, nasty and litigious and long as any in rock history. So sad. That's my lot, I can't think of much more... But all in all that's been quite hard to put together and considering the behaviour of some of their contemporaries. Plus add in all the positive things they did and it's very much minor.
@@johnbyrnes7912 Well you haven't read enough on the subject. The nuns story was supposed to be from a balcony. But of course these things need "confirmation" 😂
I didn't read any meaness in your last comment. I think once someone has an idea about something then it's not for anyone to convince them otherwise. One of those "Agree to Disagree" things. As for the Paul is Dead theory - that's one hot potato. I don't believe it but there are those who do. It is controversial that's for sure.
Yeah George Martin felt that way too. He explained though that the lads produced a double album to enable them to fulfil their contract with EMI Parlaphone and thus enabling them to be released from the contract! Thats from George Martin!
John was such a great Beatle, but, as a solo artist he can be a total bore, a champagne socialist anti-establishment beardywallah. What's your thoughts of citizen John Lennon? Like Scotland and England, Lennon and McCartney are 'better together' - that seems incontrovertible! There's your next video idea, Tudor, comparison of Beatle and post-Beatle, John!
I agree. John as part of the Beatles was an integral part of the equation. His ability to bounce off Paul brought out great work. I’m not a fan of his solo efforts other than his songs on the last and posthumous album. You’re idea for a video sounds great. I might look into that 👍
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When I hear people say that they prefer the early Beatles I always respond that if they had played the same type of music in 1967 as in 1964 very few people would have spoken of them today. It was from 1965 and onwards that The Beatles created music history. With no "Sgt. Pepper" and no "Abbey Road" they would have stayed in the same league as Gerry and The Pacemakers or the Dave Clark Five, and all interest in them would have been just a question of nostalgia.
I remember Paul and. Linda and Stella mention a bed at the studio bought in by yoko . That was another interesting chat from you Tudor I like Soirée.
The Beatles were just on the cusp of drugs being perceived as acceptable or enhancing, not bad, at that time. Fifty years later we know that the use of LSD can cause or enhance preexisting mental illness. I believe that if John were alive today he would be suffering the psychological effects of the substances he abused back then. He was an extremely emotionally fragile man who relied on Yoko to make himself whole. It is now known that John consumed an ungodly amount of LSD on a daily basis for a while. Look at Syd Barrett. Paul and Ringo are the exceptions. They both have led healthy lives for the last 40 years, and it shows. Thank you for the excellent video documentation of a major historical time in our lives!
I still believe that their breakup was inevitable…
Given the fact that they were all maturing as people individually… wouldn’t it make sense that their interests would eventually change the dynamics of the band. The people who solely blame Yoko for the breakup of the band… are not being fair… would I have wanted her around everywhere John went… no … but if you watched the documentary… you saw the tension between say George and Paul… when Paul…” suggested “… how George should play his guitar. George’s reaction was…”I’m leaving the band… “ John asks “ when?” George responds…” now “ . I believe your point that they could have done solo projects… and then done Beatles work together… IF … things that hadn’t happened… happen in the first place. I think that things started getting difficult for them after Brian Epstein passed away… the guidance and buffer between the band and how they were handled was now gone….! I’ll stand by my opening statement… I think it was inevitable that they would eventually break up… it was just a natural progression of four individuals growing up and developing their own music and personalities. If you still need proof… listen to All Things Must Pass…. All the songs George had saved… a beautiful work. I miss John and George not being here… still… but so grateful that I have the music 🎶 available wherever I need it… thanks 🙏 as always for the music 🎼 🎶🎼… 🌞🌻🌞
I am in agreement with you. Everybody changes over time. Dreams and ambitions change and sometimes anything getting in the way of those dreams and visions has to go - left by the wayside so to speak. No one major factor was at play in the break up in my opinion. Lots of new drives and passions and when you have 4 key players in a band not wanting to to be part of the other members desires then they probably asked themselves “What’s the point in continuing?)
Of course we can not blame yoko for the Beatles breaking up But it is true John (as we all can see in Peter Jackson's "Get Back) needed more time to be with her...
Yeah he was infatuated with her I reckon!
Off the subject...a little. It literally pains me to watch these very popular vlogers on RUclips (Mostly from the U.S.A.---I'm personally from Sacramento, Ca) That worship the ground of Elvis Presley. And they make no mention of the Beatles. I don't get it. I'm in the camp of what John Lennon said years ago " Elvis died when he went into the Army!" Elvis never wrote any songs. And to me, There is no comparison to the talent of the Beatles. This Elvis worship over here is just a puzzlement. Thank the lord for your channel for being a forever ray of sunshine to me.
Always when Beatle fans point out "The Beatles wrote their own songs!" as if this is a golden orb of worth, I remind them.. some of those songs were "You Know My Name" "Love Me Do" "Little Child" "Run For Your Life" "I Me Mine" all 94 seconds of it. Then when someone like Tony Bennett dies.. we're supposed to overlook this man's tremendous artistry as a musician and point out "he didn't write his own songs!" but then we're shocked when we put on Beatles for Sale and some kid doesn't get what the fuss is all about! In a few weeks we're supposed to receive a new update of The Beatles 62 - 70 and some speculate that "Twist & Shout" or "Roll Over Beethoven" might be included on it as some covers like these & "You Really Got a Hold On Me" were the strongest songs on their respective albums. I love the songs I listed above.. I love the Beatles and appreciate their unique eccentric way of conducting their careers. I think the Beatles are the Greatest.. but I am not someone who will just say.. "because I love the Beatles.. Ringo is better than Chick Webb and Louis Bellson combined.. I'm not going to dismiss the skills of The Wrecking Crew.. the Funk Brothers or The Faces and the Pretty things when assessing musical skill. And I would be in a poor state not to acknowledge Burt Bacharach, Smokey Robinson or Larry Williams as GREAT writers of rock and roll tunes as even THE BEATLES THEMSELVES did! I get it... that the Beatles did all that work IN HOUSE speaks volumes of their greatness. Just remember.. next time you listen to the 2nd side of Abbey Road.. listen to each medley track separately with a space of 5 minutes before going on to the next one while you look up the Billboard top 100 albums for August 8 1969 and just realize we are ALL HUMAN.. we aspire to greatness and some of us will even taste it for a fleeting moment.
I remember in the Rutles spoof that when Mick Jagger was interviewed and asked “who broke up The Rutles?” he replied “Women - getting in the way”
I agree with your Apple Core tax comments Tudor, The Stones went into Exile on Main Street France! I think John and Paul’s song writing credentials extend well beyond the Beatles break up. George wrote some brilliant songs with The Beatles, and on All Things Must Pass. After that triple album though I’m hard pressed to come up with many memorable songs. He did become a master slide guitar player though.
Mick Jagger may have been on to something 🤣. I quite like GH's Somewhere In England album 👍
I think splitting up at the right time prolonged their legacy. Same with iconic comedy shows
In the vain of "quite while you're ahead". I can see that!
The Fab Four forever and ever!!! That's said!!!
Side 2 of Yellow Submarine
Now that was controversial 🤣
there music will live on long after we are gone
It is a shame they didn't do as the Doors and have the four members credited under the title The Doors. If the songs were credited to the Beatles, we wouldn't have the bickering now.
I think Yoko is Jula and Mimi combined: strong and artistic
Interesting. That's likely the case and if it is, you can certainly see John's attraction would be strong for Yoko!
I suppose in trying to formulate 1 controversy which possibly, did not endear the Beatles to the people, was when John said that The Beatles were more famous than Jesus. The problem with John, that yes, he was brilliant, but he was also politically naive. And we all know that the some of the American faiths and doctrines were unhappy.
I think he was prone to speaking before thinking!
Absolutely!.
I don't think Yoko was a cause, but a factor. John's relationship with her made him influenced where he wanted to go musically.
Good point 👍
Just on the tax point, they weren't charged 95% on all of their earnings. That was a marginal rate on the top slice, as it were. But even so, you wouldn't really blame anyone for trying to keep that top slice as small as possible, presumably via elements of creative accountancy.
Ah yes of course. The taxation tiered system. I’d not thought of that.
Yoko loved Johnn! But especially money!!!
I think you might be on to something 💵
@@TudorSmith yes i think you're right! To.tell you the truth i love the Beatles ! When they seperate i was 16 years old! In 1970! I was very upset,verr sad,and since this time i 've never stopped listening to them! And i'm.French ,i mean we the French we never had a band like the Beatles!!! Never! Because we are not made for Rock'n Roll ,for Pop Music, we're just made for Poetry perhaps? But that's all! Anyway i do like your video Sir ! They remind me of the good time , of my youth! I'm 69.years old now! Sir Paul.Mac Cartney is 80 ! Ringo Starr is i think 81 i guess! And George and John are in heaven!!! Once again thank's a lot for what you do Sir! Stay safe! God Bless! Denis from France...
Hi Tudor, apart from the Jesus thing not too much controversy really. back in the day, they could do no wrong in the eyes of true Beatles fans
I think even now, true blue fans dismiss anything they hear or is said as hearsay if they don’t agree with it! I was once riding the escalator at Kings Cross going up. Alex Kingston was opposite me going down. Our eyes locked and we just stared at each other as we passed, all the way to the end of our respective rides. I’ve always wondered if I had a missed opportunity 😍
Firstly my thoughts on your choices...which weren't very controversial lol
1. Breaking up - A natural thing, they’d done 7 years in the limelight producing almost 2 albums a year plus standalone singles, a few movies and all the touring from 1963 to 1966. They’d been in the eye of the storm and now they were growing up and developing into different artists.
2. Yoko - She must have had a big impact, especially her constant presence in the studio which had been their own space, but see 1
3. Musical Development - That was the greatest thing about the band, they refused to stay still. They were hungry for progression and never wanted to repeat themselves and that’s why they achieved what they did and are still revered for their artistic output and integrity. I think McCartney was the main driver.
4. Drug Use - It was part of their growth as artists and people, fortunately none of them became casualties
5. Song writing credits - Although John & Paul did develop their own writing apart, they still contributed to each other’s work and I think it drove them competitively too
6. Abbey Road crossing - Only an issue to the residents and road users. Just shows how iconic the band were that this is treated as a must do for so many people every single day 50 years later.
7. Plagiarism - It was influences, not plagiarism. It is astonishing that with the vast output of work there is only one case of copyright infringement, Lennon’s “Come Together”. Copyright covers the melody and lyrics, not bass lines or drum fills etc. The Beatles (and the Stones) both played covers early on and gave credit and also promoted the black artists. Contrast with Led Zeppelin and their first 4 albums which is grand larceny.
8. "Harrisongs"- He was a late bloomer and the highlights of his Beatles work are Something, Here Comes and the Sun and While My Guitar Gently Weeps. Although his first solo album is rightly feted the rest of his career was fairly average.
9. Anti-Establishment - They were, but also weren’t. They played the game but only as far as they wanted to. They were a Trojan horse for the youth movement breaking down the barriers, especially with their tours of America and refusal to play to segregated audiences and promotion of black music. Lennon then broke ranks in the late 60s to be more political. But McCartney was busted more, and had more songs banned.
10. Tax Evasion - They did nothing illegal and unlike the Stones and other artists actually stayed in the UK and paid their taxes despite the ridiculous percentage.
Phew...😂
Yeah my list held very little controversy 🤣
@@TudorSmith To be fair there isn't much real controversy in comparison to most bands. But it's a conversation starter 😀
Revisit no.8 my apologies but you are wrong about George Harrison. He contributed to the Lennon-McCartney compositions as they developed works collectively, until it came to George’s work. He was suppressed by the egos of Lennon & McCartney which is why, in time, he worked his ideas out with other artists, to name a significant collaborator, Eric Clapton. He wrote and performed Taxman, Something aside from many others.
His first album (triple), Concert for Bangladeshi and Living in the Material World were all worthy pieces of work as was his last, Brainwashed. In between those he met and married Olivia, had a Son (who he doted on) and tried to live some sort of a normal life, turning to gardening his huge Friar Park estate (which today is part of our National Heritage and without George’s intervention would most likely have been a housing estate).
John Lennon’s post Beatles output had few truly remarkable works. Paul McCartney has had a few great songs but nothing as great as a Beatles collaboration and Ringo, bless him, has had songs provided by George, John and even today Paul (he’s a great drummer on so many works though)
Basically, they ‘grew’ up, grew apart, grew ego’s and needed their individual space.
They were great (and still are to me) but, even after John was murdered, they came back together to try working on 4 of John demo songs - they succeeded on 3 of them.
Enuf Said
On the one hand they are using tax loop holes, but on the other hand the money they made for EMI was used to create medical equipment.
You're getting dislikes because you think the Beatles stopped being rock and roll and decided to be a pop band
This is categorically wrong.
They never stopped being a Rock band ,
McCartney even said, straight up, "were a rock band" and they have plenty of rock songs after the first few years.
To call the Beatles "pop" because they had very catch popular songs is wrong.
Pure and simple.
I guess Metallica is a pop band because of "nothing else matters" and "unforgiven" , etc.... ???
Nope, they are still a metal band
THE BEATLES WERE ALWAYS A ROCK BAND.
Both Paul and John referred to the Beatles as ROCK
You don't know better than them.
Having said all this, i DID NOT dislike your video.
I really liked it, actually, but when i heard you emphatically day the Beatles were pop, i knew why you got dislikes.
You’re probably on to something there.
@@TudorSmith even if Im onto something, my comment sounded rude.
I apologize.
I really like your channel because you put a lot of effort into it. You have a lot of good videos . I'm sorry for being annoying. ✌️🙂✌️
Yes great Such a strong woman, the heroin and all ....
Pete Best being replaced by Ringo is a controversy
Certainly the way they handled it.
Not to make musical comparisons between BTS and the Beatles, but I see these very same (or similar) controversies amongst the fandoms. That's just proprietary fans doing what they do. Get a room full of Doctor Who fans together and it'll be full of controversy too. 😆
Based on everybody’s individual perceptions and “beliefs” in what they know? 🤣 I’m not into Dr Who but Alex Kingston was good want she?
What/who is BTS?
@@TudorSmith💜 BTS is a Korean group that's hitting its 10th anniversary at a time when the members are going their separate ways, temporarily they say, in order to perform their mandatory military service. Alex Kingston was awesome, yes 🥰
No George Harrison!!! No Beatles!!!
The Jesus comment and the Bible belt uproar and them speaking about the Vietnam war ,especially John , with his peace campaigns was pretty controversial... not with the fans so much but with some of the establishment and certainly with the Nixon administration who tried to keep John out of the U.S.A .Ironically if Nixon would have been successful , John might still be alive today.
Yes those were controversial topics. Hmm I never considered the fact of John being sent from the US. Isn’t it funny the paths life leads us!
Might add the supposed snub with Marcos's in the Philippines .
There were remarkably uncontroversial. Drugs (including heroin for John), long and then even longer hair, working class accents, womanising on tour, Jesus thing, John/Yoko bagism etc, Phillipines, Maharishi. Pretty bland really.
They certainly weren’t wrecking hotel rooms like the 70s bands 🙏
More popular than jesus. Maharishi and Mia Farrow. Alan Klein withholding money.
Yep another 4 to add to the list 👍
Now real controversy
1. Hamburg - They weren't the cuddly moptops of their closely manufactured. They were a rough bunch (opposites to The Rolling Stones) and got up to some pretty “controversial” things over there from Lennon’s onstage arm salutes, the drugs to prostitutes, mugging sailors and urinatimg on nuns 😱
2. Sacking Pete Best - Yes, it was the right thing to do musically, but they must have been really hard faced to do it, and even more so to just cut him completely out until the royalties from Anthology.
But Lennon did once say “The Beatles were the biggest b*st*rds on earth”. They were certainly very protected by a small close group of loyal friends and associates and got up to all sorts on their tours which were unreported as they also had a good relationship with the press.
3. Lennon’s attitudes - It’s very uncomfortable watching Lennon on stage with his mock disabled clapping. Even the first time I saw that as a child in the 70s I was really taken aback. He was also supposed to be very caustic to those he felt were below him… and could be a “nasty piece of work”. But I think this was a defence for his insecurity and there is plenty evidence of his more gently and benevolent side
4. Lennon’s violence - He beat up the DJ Bob Wooler at Paul 21st over jibes on his sexuality, and also confessed to beating Julia and hitting at least one other. And there's the line in Getting Better "I used to be cruel to my woman, beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved..".
He did admit and regret those things and became a prominent campaigner for peace and women’s rights.
5. Harrison’s personal attitudes and lifestyle - For all his wise religious musings and humour George was very money orientated (he wrote Taxman), and a “red hot womaniser”, notorious for sleeping around (including with his best mate Ringo’s wife, Maureen Starkey), and had a coke habit in the 70s. He was certainly “Loving” in the material world. But again like John he was also a very generous soul too, just look at the time and effort he spent on the Bangladesh concert.
6. McCartney’s legal issues - Macca was busted several times including deported from Hamburg with Pete Best for “arson”, and several high profile drug busts.
7. The breakup and it's fallout - For a band with so much positive vibes and peace n love the breakup was as bitchy, nasty and litigious and long as any in rock history. So sad.
That's my lot, I can't think of much more...
But all in all that's been quite hard to put together and considering the behaviour of some of their contemporaries. Plus add in all the positive things they did and it's very much minor.
That’s a brilliant synopsis- I should do a second video using your text as a script 🤣
@@TudorSmith Nae bother, happy to help 😉
@@TudorSmith whoa settle down Tudor I don't know about urinating on nuns and mugging sailors ?! 🎱🤡
Ok....some of the things then 🤣
@@johnbyrnes7912 Well you haven't read enough on the subject. The nuns story was supposed to be from a balcony. But of course these things need "confirmation" 😂
I hope I wasnt nean in my last comment..How bout Paul is Dead. Thats still conterversy😅
I didn't read any meaness in your last comment. I think once someone has an idea about something then it's not for anyone to convince them otherwise. One of those "Agree to Disagree" things. As for the Paul is Dead theory - that's one hot potato. I don't believe it but there are those who do. It is controversial that's for sure.
The white album would have been the greatest album of only it had been a single album , with all of paul McCartney tricked granny songs omitted
Yeah George Martin felt that way too. He explained though that the lads produced a double album to enable them to fulfil their contract with EMI Parlaphone and thus enabling them to be released from the contract! Thats from George Martin!
They grew wealthy and greedy
How did they grow greedy?
John was such a great Beatle, but, as a solo artist he can be a total bore, a champagne socialist anti-establishment beardywallah. What's your thoughts of citizen John Lennon? Like Scotland and England, Lennon and McCartney are 'better together' - that seems incontrovertible! There's your next video idea, Tudor, comparison of Beatle and post-Beatle, John!
I agree. John as part of the Beatles was an integral part of the equation. His ability to bounce off Paul brought out great work. I’m not a fan of his solo efforts other than his songs on the last and posthumous album. You’re idea for a video sounds great. I might look into that 👍
@@TudorSmith Keep up the good work!