Several people have asked "why not just test with 1 CPU and turn things like Hyper-Threading on and off. The i7-9700K and the i7-10700K are both 8 core CPUs, but are not physically the same chip. The i7-9700K is a full 8 core CPU with only HT disabled, the i7-10700K is a 10 core CPU with 2 cores disabled, which increases core-to-core latency slightly. The layout and design aren't the same. Of course given the RAM speed issues, you might say that hardly matters, and you'd be right. I actually don't think it matters. But when possible, I try and always test with the real stuff. I do maintain that 3200 CL16 and 4000 CL19 are so close in reality that it doesn't matter and that 4000 is a waste of money outside of corner cases. I have 3200 CL16 on my i9-9900K at home, so I practice what I preach. The real value is the i7-10700 non-K CPU for $305 at the time of this writing. Drop it on a B460 motherboard with 32GB of DDR4-3000 RAM for $90 and put a Hyper 212 EVO on it for $35 and you've got an amazing machine.
I got a regular 10700 for my work from home pc. Bought an h470 board for $100. Unlocked the power limits. This thing is awesome. If you can afford to spend $300 on a cpu and want intel, it's the best deal.
2:33 FYI, the fast calculation for real latency with DDR is: CL / (Speed / 2000) CL being CAS latency, Speed being the rating in MT/s (e.g. DDR4 4000 = 4000 MT/s). Therefore, DDR4 3200 CL 16 has 10 nanosecond real latency, and DDR4 4000 CL 19 has 9.5 ns real latency, so the latter is faster and lower latency slightly. This doesn't account for all the other types of timings/latency in RAM, but the top-line number is fairly representative.
Well idk how it could be a meme, as the games move forward, clearly the best cpu will have an advantage over the ones that start bottlenecking once new AAA games come out.
@@martinm4725 well, only some titles are going to actually become more intensive with the next few years (AAA titles), so for the rest of the titles that are less focused on graphics and ai future-proofing is kind of a meme.
As always very informative video. I have the 9900k for my desktop since I do other stuff. I just built an HTDT the beginning of the year with a 9700k because the only thing it will be doing is hooked to my tv which is 4K anyway playing games. I figure the 9900k for what I use it for should last at least 5 years and I just have to keep the gpu up to date.
man, i really love your videos, very informative, practical and answers all my questions, keep doing this man, got a lot of help from these videos, thanks a lot.
Completely agree with your conclusion on the difference between these two CPUs and well done on highlighting the fact that it also boils down to specific scenarios. I normally play RS6, Modern Warfare, Red Alert, nothing too resource-hungry and at least at the moment I see no reason for upgrading to the current gen Intel CPU, as I’m not multi-tasking when playing games.
One thing is for sure: You are a presenter with hyperthreading and smt enabled at all times. The smoothness of your delivery is just great. In videos like that you really shine although I do like your ramblings on the livestreams as well. Ty
I run my 9700KF 5GHZ 1.38 Vcore using Coolermaster Hyper 212. I play Battlefield 5 and temps never pass 70c with 100% usage, He must have been in a really hot room or he uses a really high voltage
I have 10980XE with 18 cores/36 threads running at 4,5ghz. I disabled hyper-threading because I only do gaming and to reduce temps. Do you think I did bad disabling it?
I know, and I had to do a "double take". Today I built a new system after waiting 5 years, and built an i7-10700 so when I saw the first benchmark, I'm like, "what?" and I had to look at my blue Intel box quickly, thinking I bought the wrong thing. lol
After the release of 10-gen. I was thinking: 1) sell z390-f+9700k and buy a new z490+10700k. 2) sell only 9700k and buy 9900k (cause i was "short-sighted" at the time of purchase 9700k) 3) stay on the current config until DDR5 is released? And perhaps the 3rd option is not bad, because I psychologically can not pay more than 600$ for a video card, and there is no special difference on middle-tier cards. Now unfortunately the futility of using 9700k in long term use is becoming more and more visible.
You're in a rock and a hard place... because either change just gets you HT, nothing more... that's a lot to spend now to get it. Maybe wait a year then see what 11th or 12th gen brings.
Hello! I will soon be streaming warzone on a single pc setup. Was wondering if you consider 8 cores 16 threads enough power for that? Mainly would be playing Warzone, using OBS and maybe watching RUclips or have some internet tabs open. Thank you and happy new year!
Another great video. I remember in the early Windows days with tools measuring performance, you would see a spike of about 5% when using the mouse lol. As for hyper-threading vs not, I have to say I never understood why anyone would go for a non hyper-threading CPU for the last...what close to 20 years now of it existing, or something. Unless you do very light work, in which case why would you even need an 8-core CPU?
In the early days of HT/SMT enabling it actually lowers performance in certain situations/scenarios. Nothing huge, though there were times when 15-20% slower could be seen. Nowadays, you rarely get to see any degradation ( I think Gamers Nexus did some tests on Ryzen 3 CPUs with SMT off and sometimes there were differences). Maybe up to 5% performance loss, at most. So, yeah, no reason to not have it turned on, unless you really know what you're doing. But it should never exist as a buying option, a CPU without HT/SMT.
Hey I've been wanting to build a new PC and watching your videos has shown me how important hyper threading is where I used to just see FPS and think oh these aren't terribly different. I want to build with i7-10700k and I was wondering if Cooler Master MB520 case would give sufficient airflow to keep a system like that with 2070 super card cool, or if i should look at spending extra on a H500P which is also cooler master (I am a fan of their cases)
I've built in both sizes, I'm of the opinion the H500 Mesh and H500P are both worth the cost if quality, ease of building, and space are important to you. They cost more, but I'd pay it if I were buying today.
@@TechDeals Thanks for replying. I've heard the 10th gen CPU's run pretty hot so I thought it may be needed. I will do that, the mesh front and room for bigger radiator up top probably make it worth the extra cost.
Thanks for putting this out there Tech. I am currently on first Generation Ryzen so my next upgrade could be with either Intel or AMD. I am spoiled by AMD so I didn't remember that 9th Gen Intel and 10th Gen Intel uses different boards entirely. There are a lot of sales for the 9th Gen Intel 9700 and 9700k in my area. I guess I will have to hold off a bit and see what happens. I am so glad you "remind" the audience of compatibility related issues here and there.
I was confused at the beginning thining I was watching the wrong video with the i9 chips as it says i9 10700K on the lower thirds Love the video, love the channel and you Tech, stay safe
Can you make a more objective test of these CPUs? Where the video card does not bottleneck in the system! We see that in almost tests, the video card is loaded at 98% (this is a bearable 100%). And how about taking for tests a couple of games on the unreal engine 4.2... and CryEngine V (example Hunt: Showdown and SCUM or something else) It is also desirable for CPU tests to take games in which there are a large number of objects in the frame. For example: Ash of singularity and Hitman 2. Perhaps on some game engines we can see the difference in performance.
Tech, so off topic question..... Can you short your motherboard and or parts by using say, a can of air to clean your pc? Like when you push the fans with said can? Due to the dynamo effect? I hear conflicting reports and would like your two cents on this matter. I heard it does a long time ago and have held my fans since but I just called out a youtuber about not doing so and he said it cannot create enough electricity to harm anything. He did mention that it might ruin the bearings but.
@@user-ki3ks4fd6i "and slightly better 1-4 core speed. it also has a better OC performance overall" that's false. Both 9700k and kf are literally the same CPU. Same Die, same clock speeds and same power targets. The only difference is the deactivated GPU within the 9700kf. Everything else is the same.
@@lukas_ls actually, no its not. the 9700k has slightly better marginal benchmarks. processor may be the same but benchmarks yield different results, so they are not. you can look them up yourself - thanks.
Hi Tech Deals. Did you ever consider doing a 9700k vs a 10600k comparison before doing the hyperthreading video? Or is the 10600k too much like the 8700k. I'm interested to know if more cores but less threads still matter (8 cores only vs 6 core 12 thread)
That isn't a comparison that I'd personally find useful. If you want 8 cores, get 8 cores... It's all fuss over a small difference in the end anyway...
any chance you can show benchmarks of the 10700(non k) vs a 3700x or 10700k as well, idk how much different a 10700(non k) would be from a 10700k clocked higher.
Awsome video as always sir, and every video you do is gold. Just love the way you pace things explaining everything, and leaving no stone unturned. Can't wait for the new nvidia gpus coming out and all your tests recommending what cards are best for what resolutions you play at ect. As I know you will go all out with a in depth explanation on how good they are, prices, and what card is best for everyone's needs. 😊
At one point of the video you say that if you run a second monitor and or a program like Discord you will have a benefit from 16 threats while gaming. A friend has the 9700k w/ 2080S and 32GB 3200MHz CL16. He plays @ 1440p and also has a second monitor for Coretemp, Afterburner and Discord. We tested different games like MW, Cold War, Cyberpunk aso. w/ and w/o those three programs running in the backround. There were zero differences in terms of FPS and smoothness in game. With a second monitor and a program like Discord and some temperature control you won't gain any noticeable performance boost from 16 threats compared to 8. Unless you stream or play on two monitors on high resolution you are absolutely fine with 8 cores/8 threats.
Am I missing something or did you not run any test to demonstrate multi-tasking? You kept saying multi-tasking was the big advantage of hyper treading but that doesn't seem to be the test you ran.
It is rather hard to make such tests repeatable. At some point you either trust the reviewer or you don't... I've used both enough to give you an opinion based on experience. Make of it what you will...
@@TechDeals I watch all your videos, it's not that I don't trust you. On the subject of the video, it seems that you would have run a video in the background, have a website or two up, have discord up, alt tab in and out of the game a couple times to demonstrate how multi-threading helps when multitasking versus no multi-threading. On that note it would be curious to see multi-threading with 32 GB of RAM versus multi-threading with 16 GB of RAM. Obviously 32 is better but how much difference does it make in relation to multi-threading and multitasking
Hi Tech Deals. I'm looking to build a PC for MSFS 2020 and was wondering if you could do a MSFS 2020 specific build guide that goes through the $$$ spent for quality of game play. High end, mid range and low end PC and compare the gaming experience. I know there are a lot of variables involved and it would be time consuming so you could do a survey on one of your live broadcasts or post the question on RUclips to get viewer interest to see whether it will be worth you time or not. If not then I have just one question. Would there be a difference in game play with MSFS 2020 loaded on a NVMe vs a SATA SSD? 32gigs of ram, a 4XXX or 3XXX Ryzen or a 10XXX or 9XXX Intel is assumed and a good GPU. I'm curious because it would seem that this is a case where the NVMe and perhaps faster ram frequencies could possibly make a difference. PCIe 4.0 vs PCIe 3.0?
FS2020 will take all the hardware you've got... on my i9-10980XE with 128GB of RAM and a RTX 2080 TI, it's really rough at 4K, nicer at 1440p... it really will use anything you throw at it. So buy what you can afford, it won't be wasted.
The bottom line is that is useful to have multi-threading for multi-tasking first and gaming benefits from it too. Thanks for this very explanatory video.
Hello from the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia), thanks for the review and tests, I did not find a similar video in the domestic open spaces, I came across your video by chance on the recommendation of RUclips, as I was looking for a similar test. I have i7 9700kf, RAM 16 GB 3700 MHz 17-19-19-38 command rate 2, video card gtx 1080. I wanted to ask, and if i7 9700kf ram 4000 MHz will the result be equal? I apologize right away for the illiteracy I used the google translator. I only know basic English, but I'm learning to read, understand and speak English. Thanks in advance for your reply)
Anthony Nevers yes I know but based off the video more threads overall are better. 8 physical cores may be faster, but once those are taking up the 12 threaded cpu will stretch its legs
i7-9700K and i7-10700K are not physically the same chip. Pretty close, but not the same... i7-10700K is a 10 core with 2 cores disabled. The i7-9700K is an 8 core CPU.
Ya, I have an i9 9900k, water cooled, oc to 5Gz on all cores. It has hyperthreading on by default or it can be disabled in my bios. I generally disable it because most of my PCVR games/sims do not utilize HT anyway and my core temps are slightly lower with it disabled. So, I don’t think upgrading my i9 9900k and motherboard is currently worthwhile. I have a gtx1080ti gpu so that’s probably going to be the upgrade priority for me.
@@Dan-uf2vh the 9900k is basically the 9th gen 10700k mate 🤦♂️ 8 cores/16 threads on both the 9900k & 10700k. The test would have been alot more accurate using all the same components MB, Dram etc would give you a better
Thanks for the multitasking comments, nobody talks about this. A 10600k might get more frames than a 3700X but what about when you're talking and streaming on Discord? Maybe you also have a web browser open referencing a wiki? Maybe you're also hosting a game on your machine and you and your buddies connect to it. I'm guessing the Ryzen would close the gap in gaming performance there but I haven't seen benchmarks on those use cases. Speaking of multi tasking, can we dedicate cores to games and maybe 1 or 2 cores for less intensive stuff? Or does Windows game mode take care of all that? Thanks.
I have 9900k on 4.6 because I can't set 4.7ghz stably. I tried to enable hypsr threading and the processor suddenly runs stably at 5ghz. Which I don't understand at all. Anyway, in almost every game, the difference is 20-50fps without hyper-threading. But there are also games where the game runs better with fragrant Hyper-Threading. The question is when 8 cores will cease to be useful.
Very interesting video, but the real question that came to mind watching this video is ¿what would be better? 8 core 8 threads or 6 core 12threads... just a thought...
@@alexthesniper1952 optimize your windows and bios and ram (xmp!). Optimize gpu driver and deactivate Full screen optimization. Optimize in-game settings.
I really don't understand why people would want to play a game and, at the same time, have a RUclips tab with a video playback... Are they so bored that they have to keep getting bombarded with inputs?
I'm an owner of an i7-9700F... interesting to see... I wonder how much my CPU's lifespan will have. No hyper-threading doesn't seem to effect gaming (yeah!), but how much CPU is used potentially limiting multi-tasking (boo!). I guess only time will tell?
Could you say what dx version you are using with fortnite, from what iv'e tested dx12 with windows borderless seems to work the best for me. But on dx11 fullscreen, hyperthreading disabled works best.
I just went from an i7 4790k to an i7 9800x and it’s great. I got the motherboard used though to save a bit of money. I already had a 2080 non super so it’s a great combo. I play games at 2560x1440p 144hz with highest settings and it runs like a champ.
Agreed, maybe at 1080p the 2070S would have been enough, but at 1440p ultra it definitely isn't. Plus this time the argument "you wouldn't pair a 2080ti with this mid-high end cpu" doesn't work, they are a perfect match
You gave the 10700k basically all the advantages it could get and it still barely manages to edge out the 9700k. Pretty compelling argument to buy a 9700k that is probably still alot cheaper on the used market.
ups i9 9700KF :/ Despite that 1440p with 2070 Super it's more close to a real scenario, games became mor GPU bound, so it's not surprise that performance looks the same.
i tend not to play games but do a lot of multi tasking, i run my cctv 24 hours on my pc at the same time as evrything else and 16/32 on my ryzen 3950x makes a huge difference. even though the rest of my pc is old and started with the 1800x, all i did was swap the cpu over and now i have a monster.
I just don't understand why you spent 10+ minutes talking about the benefits of hyperthreading on multi-use workloads... and then just didn't test this out while benchmarking. Why wouldn't you open Discord, play a 1440p RUclips video, and have a browser open with 10+ tabs and THEN benchmark, instead of just benchmarking and talking about the 'hypothetical' benefits hyperthreading would have given you?
2070Super I think is a bottleneck for both CPUs ... All the time in both situation the GPU is at 99% and CPUs doesn't go over 90%. So I don't exactly what are you wanted to point out if the GPU does a bottleneck. No hate!
For the longest time, we were stuck at 4c8t (on mainstream desktop). Then Ryzen came and overnight changed that completely. For the longest time, we were stuck at ~5GHz... What's to say this too doesn't get changed overnight and then all these claims of being futureproofed by having 10-12 cores goes straight out the Microsoft Window?
You assume these tests were run back to back with the goal of making this video. They were not... the GPU isn’t the same model either, for what it is worth.
Several people have asked "why not just test with 1 CPU and turn things like Hyper-Threading on and off. The i7-9700K and the i7-10700K are both 8 core CPUs, but are not physically the same chip. The i7-9700K is a full 8 core CPU with only HT disabled, the i7-10700K is a 10 core CPU with 2 cores disabled, which increases core-to-core latency slightly. The layout and design aren't the same.
Of course given the RAM speed issues, you might say that hardly matters, and you'd be right. I actually don't think it matters. But when possible, I try and always test with the real stuff. I do maintain that 3200 CL16 and 4000 CL19 are so close in reality that it doesn't matter and that 4000 is a waste of money outside of corner cases. I have 3200 CL16 on my i9-9900K at home, so I practice what I preach.
The real value is the i7-10700 non-K CPU for $305 at the time of this writing. Drop it on a B460 motherboard with 32GB of DDR4-3000 RAM for $90 and put a Hyper 212 EVO on it for $35 and you've got an amazing machine.
What about memory? The ram can't support over speeds of 2933 in any b or h series motherboard. They only allow xmp on z series.
Awesome video Tech Deals! Only the facts!
I got a regular 10700 for my work from home pc. Bought an h470 board for $100. Unlocked the power limits. This thing is awesome. If you can afford to spend $300 on a cpu and want intel, it's the best deal.
@@raawesome3851 That's why I said buy DDR4-3000 :)
@@TechDeals oh
Bro been loving the Live Streams, but It's good to see an indept video again. And stop apologizing for "Rambling" It's why we're here!!! :)
Yep !
For real, I want to hear their opinions and how they came to have that opinion. Rant on!
I love the fact that when he writes text I read it in his voice in my head lol
just got my 9700k. Love it.
You should let the intro wheel go the other way when the video is done.
Pin this!
And play the music in reverse.
and mirror it!
2:33 FYI, the fast calculation for real latency with DDR is:
CL / (Speed / 2000)
CL being CAS latency, Speed being the rating in MT/s (e.g. DDR4 4000 = 4000 MT/s).
Therefore, DDR4 3200 CL 16 has 10 nanosecond real latency, and DDR4 4000 CL 19 has 9.5 ns real latency, so the latter is faster and lower latency slightly. This doesn't account for all the other types of timings/latency in RAM, but the top-line number is fairly representative.
so minute dude......clocks/temps......cpu/gpu power....
Mr. Tech Deals: "Nobody cares about Celeron".
Celeron: "Am I a joke to you?"
Everybody else: "Yes, you are!" :).
Basically, as a casual-not-streaming-gamer you won't notice the upgrade but the 10700K is more futureproof as it will not choke as fast as the 9700KF.
While that is true, you could have a 4c/8t CPU and accomplish mostly the same thing...
@@HollowRick if you plan on playing the latest triple a titles than it is not a meme otherwise though probably is.
@Warm Soft Kitty I was referring to "future proofing", so I meant the latest triple A titles in the future.
Well idk how it could be a meme, as the games move forward, clearly the best cpu will have an advantage over the ones that start bottlenecking once new AAA games come out.
@@martinm4725 well, only some titles are going to actually become more intensive with the next few years (AAA titles), so for the rest of the titles that are less focused on graphics and ai future-proofing is kind of a meme.
Thanks for making this comparison, very informative.
That 90C+ CPU temperature hurts my eyes!
As always very informative video. I have the 9900k for my desktop since I do other stuff. I just built an HTDT the beginning of the year with a 9700k because the only thing it will be doing is hooked to my tv which is 4K anyway playing games. I figure the 9900k for what I use it for should last at least 5 years and I just have to keep the gpu up to date.
your 9900k will last longer then u think...as will your 9700k.....5 years+ 0 difference.there both 8 cores....
man, i really love your videos, very informative, practical and answers all my questions, keep doing this man, got a lot of help from these videos, thanks a lot.
I am always happy when I see your videos pop in my feed
Completely agree with your conclusion on the difference between these two CPUs and well done on highlighting the fact that it also boils down to specific scenarios. I normally play RS6, Modern Warfare, Red Alert, nothing too resource-hungry and at least at the moment I see no reason for upgrading to the current gen Intel CPU, as I’m not multi-tasking when playing games.
0 if u have a 9700k.....cooled nicely...
This video is really helpful for me to decide whether I take the high Cores with Higher Threads or just same Cores and Threads. Thank you soo much
Is that a typo in editing the video the benchmark at the bottom say i9 9700k and i9 10700k anyone else catch that?
Yep
Wouldn't it have been easier just to disable the HT in the bios to make the comparisons?
i7-9700K and i7-10700K are not physically the same chip. Pretty close, but not the same... i7-10700K is a 10 core with 2 cores disabled.
Purchased a 9700k and Asus Z390-P bundle from Micro Center for $337 after taxes....LOVE IT.
micro center is a boss
One thing is for sure: You are a presenter with hyperthreading and smt enabled at all times. The smoothness of your delivery is just great. In videos like that you really shine although I do like your ramblings on the livestreams as well.
Ty
That battlefield 5 temps tho 🔥
Facts... WTF @ 99'C holy fuck
@@SquallRinoa89 Holy cow I didn't even catch that during the video. That 9700kf needs a freakin medal of valor and an aio asap.
I run my 9700KF 5GHZ 1.38 Vcore using Coolermaster Hyper 212. I play Battlefield 5 and temps never pass 70c with 100% usage, He must have been in a really hot room or he uses a really high voltage
@@whedii1544 1.38v? Damn that's high, what's your LLC at?
@@whedii1544 stop lying. You can't reach that voltage with that shitty cooler. Use prime 95 and ur cpu will burn for sure.
I have 10980XE with 18 cores/36 threads running at 4,5ghz. I disabled hyper-threading because I only do gaming and to reduce temps. Do you think I did bad disabling it?
I think you did bad buying this CPU. For gaming is better balance between frequency and core count. Your CPU is aimed for multithreading tasks.
It says i9-10700k etc on all the benchmarks
I know, and I had to do a "double take". Today I built a new system after waiting 5 years, and built an i7-10700 so when I saw the first benchmark, I'm like, "what?" and I had to look at my blue Intel box quickly, thinking I bought the wrong thing. lol
Thanks for taking the time to compare.
The lower thirds in the video say i9-9700KF and i9-10700K instead of i7 CPUs. Besides that, very informative video. Keep up the good work.
My bad
After the release of 10-gen. I was thinking: 1) sell z390-f+9700k and buy a new z490+10700k. 2) sell only 9700k and buy 9900k (cause i was "short-sighted" at the time of purchase 9700k) 3) stay on the current config until DDR5 is released? And perhaps the 3rd option is not bad, because I psychologically can not pay more than 600$ for a video card, and there is no special difference on middle-tier cards. Now unfortunately the futility of using 9700k in long term use is becoming more and more visible.
You're in a rock and a hard place... because either change just gets you HT, nothing more... that's a lot to spend now to get it. Maybe wait a year then see what 11th or 12th gen brings.
Hello! I will soon be streaming warzone on a single pc setup. Was wondering if you consider 8 cores 16 threads enough power for that? Mainly would be playing Warzone, using OBS and maybe watching RUclips or have some internet tabs open. Thank you and happy new year!
Yeah it’s enough but shoot for 32 gn ram it will help
Thank you a lot for this video :)
You're very welcome!
I missed these benchmark comparisons. Good job!
Another great video.
I remember in the early Windows days with tools measuring performance, you would see a spike of about 5% when using the mouse lol.
As for hyper-threading vs not, I have to say I never understood why anyone would go for a non hyper-threading CPU for the last...what close to 20 years now of it existing, or something.
Unless you do very light work, in which case why would you even need an 8-core CPU?
In the early days of HT/SMT enabling it actually lowers performance in certain situations/scenarios. Nothing huge, though there were times when 15-20% slower could be seen. Nowadays, you rarely get to see any degradation ( I think Gamers Nexus did some tests on Ryzen 3 CPUs with SMT off and sometimes there were differences). Maybe up to 5% performance loss, at most. So, yeah, no reason to not have it turned on, unless you really know what you're doing. But it should never exist as a buying option, a CPU without HT/SMT.
Why not compare Core i7-9700k and Core i9-9900k? Wouldn't that be more fair?
Hey I've been wanting to build a new PC and watching your videos has shown me how important hyper threading is where I used to just see FPS and think oh these aren't terribly different. I want to build with i7-10700k and I was wondering if Cooler Master MB520 case would give sufficient airflow to keep a system like that with 2070 super card cool, or if i should look at spending extra on a H500P which is also cooler master (I am a fan of their cases)
I've built in both sizes, I'm of the opinion the H500 Mesh and H500P are both worth the cost if quality, ease of building, and space are important to you. They cost more, but I'd pay it if I were buying today.
@@TechDeals Thanks for replying. I've heard the 10th gen CPU's run pretty hot so I thought it may be needed. I will do that, the mesh front and room for bigger radiator up top probably make it worth the extra cost.
Thanks for putting this out there Tech. I am currently on first Generation Ryzen so my next upgrade could be with either Intel or AMD. I am spoiled by AMD so I didn't remember that 9th Gen Intel and 10th Gen Intel uses different boards entirely. There are a lot of sales for the 9th Gen Intel 9700 and 9700k in my area. I guess I will have to hold off a bit and see what happens. I am so glad you "remind" the audience of compatibility related issues here and there.
I was confused at the beginning thining I was watching the wrong video with the i9 chips as it says i9 10700K on the lower thirds
Love the video, love the channel and you Tech, stay safe
Can you make a more objective test of these CPUs? Where the video card does not bottleneck in the system! We see that in almost tests, the video card is loaded at 98% (this is a bearable 100%). And how about taking for tests a couple of games on the unreal engine 4.2... and CryEngine V (example Hunt: Showdown and SCUM or something else) It is also desirable for CPU tests to take games in which there are a large number of objects in the frame. For example: Ash of singularity and Hitman 2.
Perhaps on some game engines we can see the difference in performance.
can you somehow show me exactly how to configure this overlay? i know you are using msi afterburner but.. i cant get my overlay to look like yours
9:06, 10:33 and 12:04 Can someone please explain those 0.1% lows to me? I don't get how that's possible.
@Adithya R no its not
Tech, so off topic question.....
Can you short your motherboard and or parts by using say, a can of air to clean your pc? Like when you push the fans with said can? Due to the dynamo effect? I hear conflicting reports and would like your two cents on this matter.
I heard it does a long time ago and have held my fans since but I just called out a youtuber about not doing so and he said it cannot create enough electricity to harm anything. He did mention that it might ruin the bearings but.
How do you like the Z490 Aorus Pro AX? Seriously considering buying
how to fix cpu clock speed?
Are these CPU temps real? I noticed that in BF5 it's like 92°C o.O for both CPUs
I seen that to and went WTF!?! Mine at 4.9All 8 cores never hits past 60c... DAMN... Throttling much
Zardia21, maybe you need cpu and a fan cooler
What is happening with the deals man stopped making vids?
useless viewer engagement comment. :)
seriously though.. this is helpful info
It's all appreciated :)
The title says 9700k but in the video you’re reviewing the 9700kf, they’re 2 different cpus
@shekel bergenstein i believe the 9700k has integrated graphics and slightly better 1-4 core speed. it also has a better OC performance overall
@@user-ki3ks4fd6i No. There is no difference except the GPU.
@@lukas_ls this is a CPU buddy. you mean the integrated graphics i meantioned in my first point?
@@user-ki3ks4fd6i "and slightly better 1-4 core speed. it also has a better OC performance overall"
that's false. Both 9700k and kf are literally the same CPU. Same Die, same clock speeds and same power targets.
The only difference is the deactivated GPU within the 9700kf.
Everything else is the same.
@@lukas_ls actually, no its not. the 9700k has slightly better marginal benchmarks. processor may be the same but benchmarks yield different results, so they are not. you can look them up yourself - thanks.
Hi Tech Deals. Did you ever consider doing a 9700k vs a 10600k comparison before doing the hyperthreading video? Or is the 10600k too much like the 8700k. I'm interested to know if more cores but less threads still matter (8 cores only vs 6 core 12 thread)
That isn't a comparison that I'd personally find useful. If you want 8 cores, get 8 cores... It's all fuss over a small difference in the end anyway...
exactly what i needed to understand. thank you
Intel needs to put an end to the Celeron line completely. It had its place, but no longer. Multithreading is the wave of the future.
any chance you can show benchmarks of the 10700(non k) vs a 3700x or 10700k as well, idk how much different a 10700(non k) would be from a 10700k clocked higher.
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Awsome video as always sir, and every video you do is gold. Just love the way you pace things explaining everything, and leaving no stone unturned.
Can't wait for the new nvidia gpus coming out and all your tests recommending what cards are best for what resolutions you play at ect. As I know you will go all out with a in depth explanation on how good they are, prices, and what card is best for everyone's needs. 😊
At one point of the video you say that if you run a second monitor and or a program like Discord you will have a benefit from 16 threats while gaming. A friend has the 9700k w/ 2080S and 32GB 3200MHz CL16. He plays @ 1440p and also has a second monitor for Coretemp, Afterburner and Discord. We tested different games like MW, Cold War, Cyberpunk aso. w/ and w/o those three programs running in the backround. There were zero differences in terms of FPS and smoothness in game. With a second monitor and a program like Discord and some temperature control you won't gain any noticeable performance boost from 16 threats compared to 8. Unless you stream or play on two monitors on high resolution you are absolutely fine with 8 cores/8 threats.
Could u test this on the 2080ti? Or even 3080? Because I’m getting one with a 3080 soon, idk if will be a bottleneck
If ur getting a 3080 get the 10900k u wana squeeze all the frames out of it
For 2080 ti this is fine
Am I missing something or did you not run any test to demonstrate multi-tasking? You kept saying multi-tasking was the big advantage of hyper treading but that doesn't seem to be the test you ran.
It is rather hard to make such tests repeatable. At some point you either trust the reviewer or you don't... I've used both enough to give you an opinion based on experience. Make of it what you will...
@@TechDeals I watch all your videos, it's not that I don't trust you. On the subject of the video, it seems that you would have run a video in the background, have a website or two up, have discord up, alt tab in and out of the game a couple times to demonstrate how multi-threading helps when multitasking versus no multi-threading. On that note it would be curious to see multi-threading with 32 GB of RAM versus multi-threading with 16 GB of RAM. Obviously 32 is better but how much difference does it make in relation to multi-threading and multitasking
9600k 8600k still ok for pure gaming?!
Depends on GPU and game. I had issues with 9600k and Assassin's creed Odyssey. It is a limiting factor there.
@@yosifvidelov thanks. yes, i upgraded to 9900k just to be sure.
When next gen consoles launch with 8C/16T, SMT will be used in way more games like BF1, BF5 already does.
Should i buy a 10700k or wait for Tiger Lake?
wait older cpus are still fine
Hi Tech Deals. I'm looking to build a PC for MSFS 2020 and was wondering if you could do a MSFS 2020 specific build guide that goes through the $$$ spent for quality of game play. High end, mid range and low end PC and compare the gaming experience. I know there are a lot of variables involved and it would be time consuming so you could do a survey on one of your live broadcasts or post the question on RUclips to get viewer interest to see whether it will be worth you time or not. If not then I have just one question. Would there be a difference in game play with MSFS 2020 loaded on a NVMe vs a SATA SSD? 32gigs of ram, a 4XXX or 3XXX Ryzen or a 10XXX or 9XXX Intel is assumed and a good GPU. I'm curious because it would seem that this is a case where the NVMe and perhaps faster ram frequencies could possibly make a difference. PCIe 4.0 vs PCIe 3.0?
FS2020 will take all the hardware you've got... on my i9-10980XE with 128GB of RAM and a RTX 2080 TI, it's really rough at 4K, nicer at 1440p... it really will use anything you throw at it. So buy what you can afford, it won't be wasted.
@@TechDeals WOW! I'm not looking for 4K but do have a Occulus and will definitely use that when is becomes available. Thanks for the reply, cheers!
Why the ram speed difference?
Thank you very much for this very useful and informative video. Keep up the good work. 👍
The bottom line is that is useful to have multi-threading for multi-tasking first and gaming benefits from it too. Thanks for this very explanatory video.
It doesn't benefit much at all tbh. The 10700 has much faster ram fyi.
Hey i just got 3070 is it ok with i7 9700kf ?
So are they i7s or i9s cause he kept swapping the names
Hello from the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia), thanks for the review and tests, I did not find a similar video in the domestic open spaces, I came across your video by chance on the recommendation of RUclips, as I was looking for a similar test. I have i7 9700kf, RAM 16 GB 3700 MHz 17-19-19-38 command rate 2, video card gtx 1080. I wanted to ask, and if i7 9700kf ram 4000 MHz will the result be equal? I apologize right away for the illiteracy I used the google translator. I only know basic English, but I'm learning to read, understand and speak English. Thanks in advance for your reply)
Why did he run different ram on each system?
Because that is what was installed at the time
Between an 9700k 8c8t and a 10700k 8c16t... how an 8700k as 6c12t perform? I am considering it because i find some very good deals on used market
DamyLv man, a 8700k is great, dont worry about performance in that cpu
Great video Tech!
so technically an 8700k last a bit longer since it has 12 total threads vs 9700k 8 threads?
Keep in mind it only has 6 cores though
Anthony Nevers yes I know but based off the video more threads overall are better. 8 physical cores may be faster, but once those are taking up the 12 threaded cpu will stretch its legs
Why is the 10700k system consistently using around 700-800mb more RAM in identical benchmarks?
Why not use i9-9900K?
By using 9900K, you can keep the motherboard, ram, and other items same.
8 cores fixed and no 16 hyperthreads, as he stated
i7-9700K and i7-10700K are not physically the same chip. Pretty close, but not the same... i7-10700K is a 10 core with 2 cores disabled. The i7-9700K is an 8 core CPU.
Ya, I have an i9 9900k, water cooled, oc to 5Gz on all cores. It has hyperthreading on by default or it can be disabled in my bios. I generally disable it because most of my PCVR games/sims do not utilize HT anyway and my core temps are slightly lower with it disabled. So, I don’t think upgrading my i9 9900k and motherboard is currently worthwhile. I have a gtx1080ti gpu so that’s probably going to be the upgrade priority for me.
@@Dan-uf2vh the 9900k is basically the 9th gen 10700k mate 🤦♂️
8 cores/16 threads on both the 9900k & 10700k.
The test would have been alot more accurate using all the same components MB, Dram etc would give you a better
@@maximroberts9674 did you fail to read what Tech Deals wrote above? in any case wasn't my point, you hit reply to someone else
Thanks for the multitasking comments, nobody talks about this. A 10600k might get more frames than a 3700X but what about when you're talking and streaming on Discord? Maybe you also have a web browser open referencing a wiki? Maybe you're also hosting a game on your machine and you and your buddies connect to it. I'm guessing the Ryzen would close the gap in gaming performance there but I haven't seen benchmarks on those use cases.
Speaking of multi tasking, can we dedicate cores to games and maybe 1 or 2 cores for less intensive stuff? Or does Windows game mode take care of all that? Thanks.
so are you saying the 8700k is better than the 9700k?
In general, yes
its slower in games but technically core wise its the same cuz of threads
I have 9900k on 4.6 because I can't set 4.7ghz stably. I tried to enable hypsr threading and the processor suddenly runs stably at 5ghz. Which I don't understand at all. Anyway, in almost every game, the difference is 20-50fps without hyper-threading. But there are also games where the game runs better with fragrant Hyper-Threading. The question is when 8 cores will cease to be useful.
omg the video i was waiting for!!!!
What's the verdict?
How about including MSFS2020 as a one of the benchmark titles!
Oh my goodness, that game would be a beast to test :) It takes everything you've got.
Got this for $200 great option for people looking to upgrade from an 8600/9600k
Sorry its on sale at micro center for 200
The i7 9700k is $300 on amazon. Is that good?
219$ at microcenter
No lol
Very interesting video, but the real question that came to mind watching this video is ¿what would be better? 8 core 8 threads or 6 core 12threads... just a thought...
Would a 10900k be a good upgrade next year from a 10700k at 5.1 Ghz all cores.
No... that is a tiny upgrade, either buy the i9 today, or live without it...
@@TechDeals thanks tech deals I was wondering because Battlefield 4 is so unoptimized and I was wondering if a i9 would help a little.
@@alexthesniper1952 optimize your windows and bios and ram (xmp!).
Optimize gpu driver and deactivate Full screen optimization.
Optimize in-game settings.
Great test 👍🏻
I don’t know man 8 threads is enough to do shit in the background lol
is it worth upgrading to an i9 10900k from an i7 8700k ? I want max fps in games and I have a 2080ti
Upgrade ur ram first imo its barely worth it but not like u can get a 3080 anytime soon lol
Your new intro music is awesome,tech deals is better by the day🤩
I watch your channel way too much. I was scolding the kids for not doing their chores. "No TimTam for you and no TimTam for you!
Wtf is TimTam? Lol
@@internziko Its a Australian dessert.
I really don't understand why people would want to play a game and, at the same time, have a RUclips tab with a video playback... Are they so bored that they have to keep getting bombarded with inputs?
Right? If you are playing a demanding game you shut down all other apps/processes.
Lol to watch tutorials and tips I be lost sometimes
I'm an owner of an i7-9700F... interesting to see... I wonder how much my CPU's lifespan will have. No hyper-threading doesn't seem to effect gaming (yeah!), but how much CPU is used potentially limiting multi-tasking (boo!). I guess only time will tell?
Ur good the 8700k is still kicking ass rn maybe in 5 years it matters so yeah why upgrade lol
Is Me having discord open going to effect anything? Like alt tabbing to switch a song or something like that.
Could you say what dx version you are using with fortnite, from what iv'e tested dx12 with windows borderless seems to work the best for me. But on dx11 fullscreen, hyperthreading disabled works best.
I just went from an i7 4790k to an i7 9800x and it’s great. I got the motherboard used though to save a bit of money. I already had a 2080 non super so it’s a great combo. I play games at 2560x1440p 144hz with highest settings and it runs like a champ.
All these years just to upgrade from 4 to 8 cores
All these years just to upgrade from 4 to 8 cores
Sorry Tech Deals, you are GPU limited and should have used a 2080ti to remove that barrier.
Agreed, maybe at 1080p the 2070S would have been enough, but at 1440p ultra it definitely isn't. Plus this time the argument "you wouldn't pair a 2080ti with this mid-high end cpu" doesn't work, they are a perfect match
There's i9 instead of i7 on the description screen.
Yes, there is...
You gave the 10700k basically all the advantages it could get and it still barely manages to edge out the 9700k.
Pretty compelling argument to buy a 9700k that is probably still alot cheaper on the used market.
ups i9 9700KF :/ Despite that 1440p with 2070 Super it's more close to a real scenario, games became mor GPU bound, so it's not surprise that performance looks the same.
i tend not to play games but do a lot of multi tasking, i run my cctv 24 hours on my pc at the same time as evrything else and 16/32 on my ryzen 3950x makes a huge difference. even though the rest of my pc is old and started with the 1800x, all i did was swap the cpu over and now i have a monster.
I just don't understand why you spent 10+ minutes talking about the benefits of hyperthreading on multi-use workloads... and then just didn't test this out while benchmarking. Why wouldn't you open Discord, play a 1440p RUclips video, and have a browser open with 10+ tabs and THEN benchmark, instead of just benchmarking and talking about the 'hypothetical' benefits hyperthreading would have given you?
That's very hard to repeat over and over. Tests done once are interesting, but not really data, just observation.
Still rocking an i5-4440, it plays the games I want it to decently enough with Discord running as well, so I'm content for now.
@Tech Deals
that poor GPU sagging like a sad child
2070Super I think is a bottleneck for both CPUs ... All the time in both situation the GPU is at 99% and CPUs doesn't go over 90%. So I don't exactly what are you wanted to point out if the GPU does a bottleneck. No hate!
How do you show the CPU clock speed on MSI afterburner, I also have a 10700k but it doesn't have that option
I'm using the HWInfo plugin... MSI hasn't updated for 10th gen yet
For the longest time, we were stuck at 4c8t (on mainstream desktop). Then Ryzen came and overnight changed that completely.
For the longest time, we were stuck at ~5GHz... What's to say this too doesn't get changed overnight and then all these claims of being futureproofed by having 10-12 cores goes straight out the Microsoft Window?
what about 6 core cpus? 6/6 vs 6/12
good GPU tests)))
Can someone explain to me how the 9700k gets more frames sometimes lol
If you test on 1080 you will se big difference
@@martin4oyy620 which one wins at 1080p ima get a 9700k thts why
@@OfficialUknow ofc 10700
Despite it probably not mattering:
Why not use same ram on both?
Takes literally less than a minute to swap.
You assume these tests were run back to back with the goal of making this video. They were not... the GPU isn’t the same model either, for what it is worth.