Mac Studio 2024 Leaks - NEW M4 Ultra chip to KILL AMD & Intel?!

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  • Apple's Mac Studio is looking to get updated this June 10th at their WWDC event, including the potential for either a new M3 Ultra chip or M4 Ultra chip. Let me explain..
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  • @MaxTechOfficial
    @MaxTechOfficial  Месяц назад +8

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    • @JohnSmith-pn2vl
      @JohnSmith-pn2vl Месяц назад +1

      this was a great video, everything actually makes sense, exciting!

    • @michael-4k4000
      @michael-4k4000 Месяц назад

      The M4 could be the GameChanger we all have been waiting for! The M4 has enough power to get us to where we need to go. I upgrade my MacBook every 3 months so I am always working on the freshest processor, and yes computer processors slow down with age..... The M4 has the Chutzpah to walk proudly amongst the fastest processors the world has ever and will ever see. Until the amazing and formidable M5 is released and introduces us all to true power. M5 is close is a panacea as we have ever seen, but the M5 has nothing on the stunning and dynamic M6!

    • @mrsrhardy
      @mrsrhardy Месяц назад

      Ive been wrong but for the love of all thats holly, where is the V9 architecture apple? The Snapdragon X3 is going to eat the M3s dinner

    • @michael-4k4000
      @michael-4k4000 Месяц назад

      @@mrsrhardy exactly 💯?

  • @4thNebula
    @4thNebula Месяц назад +58

    Makes sense. A M4 Ultra in the Studio would be a major marketing win. Now, if they would make an iPad Pro Ultra with MacOS/iPad Ultra OS they would quadruple that marketing win.

    • @NMIBUBBLE
      @NMIBUBBLE Месяц назад +2

      Don't forget the IOS AI!

    • @vjtech17
      @vjtech17 Месяц назад +3

      The only problem, iPad Ultra running macOS would cannibalise MacBook Air.

    • @4thNebula
      @4thNebula Месяц назад

      Yes, but in with the new and out with the old.@@vjtech17

    • @pythonify_
      @pythonify_ 29 дней назад

      also M4 Extreme which is 2 M4 Ultras combined together exclusive to the mac pro lmao

    • @headlibrarian1996
      @headlibrarian1996 7 дней назад

      Only if it isn’t obscenely priced.

  • @JanGoh-jb5ge
    @JanGoh-jb5ge Месяц назад +82

    I'd like to point out that chip design takes years, so if all this is true, they anticipated all those problems when they started, and knew they'd have to solve them at some point, which is pretty admirable.

    • @TamasKiss-yk4st
      @TamasKiss-yk4st Месяц назад +5

      Apple always was good in long term decissions, they even switched to PCIe NVME storage on iPhone in 2015, just because of the M1 (the M.2 SSD is also an NVME drive what communicate on PCIe port, so in short it's also PCIe NVME), so they already had plans for that M1 9 years ago, and they perfected the compatibility and speed in iPhone for 5 years, and because the M1 is basically "just" a doubled A14 with some extra encoders end decoders etc, it just works because it's already compatible.

    • @richard.20000
      @richard.20000 Месяц назад +2

      5 years takes to design chip.
      It makes sense to release the most powerful product 1st and all the other later - just like Nvidia always releases high-end 4090 GPU 1st to take the performance crown. It's mostly for marketing purpose and Apple has excellent marketing team.
      Also should be expected the M-series to release every year new gen as every top Apple product (iPhone). Not like today the strange 1.5 year period for products with second priority (iPad).
      I expect M4 Ultra to use chip interconnect similar to M2 Ultra, but rather close to Nvidia Grace Hopper chip - with separate dies for CPU and for GPU. This will remove the problems with GPU scaling bottleneck and will allow to increase GPU size to something like Nvidia 4090. And there is possibility to add interconnect interface for two edges out of four - this would allow 4-chip configuration like Intel Sapphire Rapids chip (not just 2-chip like M2 Ultra which is obvious limitation of 1-edge interface. Unless Apple uses multi-chiplet configuration similar to AMD server Epyc with 12 CPU chiplets connected to one central IO hub.

    • @glimmerglassphotographysuz354
      @glimmerglassphotographysuz354 Месяц назад +3

      The end users are ultimate R&D department.

    • @keithdow8327
      @keithdow8327 26 дней назад +1

      @@TamasKiss-yk4st
      Apple missed the AI revolution. They are scrambling to catch up.

  • @Holden_McHock
    @Holden_McHock Месяц назад +92

    Will this be good enough to play solitaire (on max settings) and check my email at the same time?
    Or should I wait for M5?

    • @8bitchiptune420
      @8bitchiptune420 Месяц назад +26

      You should stay on Windows XP to get the solitaire real experience.

    • @MaxTechOfficial
      @MaxTechOfficial  Месяц назад +59

      Probably wait for M6 for that one

    • @altosack
      @altosack Месяц назад +4

      Well, the M3 now has dual external monitor support in clamshell mode, so you should be OK. For truly doing those two things simultaneously, the limitation may be in the operator.

    • @fmax6000
      @fmax6000 Месяц назад +6

      Guess you need to wait for your next Intel chip to be able to run both without heating up and frying your b6lls!

    • @DS-pk4eh
      @DS-pk4eh Месяц назад +4

      Depends, if you need your card deck to be ray traced, then I would wait for M5 Ultra, but with at least 128Gb ram. Otherwise, just go with M4 Ultra and 64Gb.

  • @DojoOfCool
    @DojoOfCool Месяц назад +17

    Sounds interesting for making something for workstation class computing like the Mac Studio and Mac Pro are aimed at eliminate the E cores increase the P cores and not have to deal with bridgings two CPUs together. When going for performance the E cores with their slower timing just create timing issues, Apple's Logic doesn't use the E cores only the P cores my guess is the timing issues that could result for very timing dependent software. So this will be interesting to see what they do.

  • @gerald1964
    @gerald1964 Месяц назад +15

    As transistor size decreases, their state (ON or OFF) is more susceptible to EM effects such as those that can be generated by the Fusion interconnect. Module interconnects act like antennas. I speculate that this may be a factor in ditching the Fusion architecture after M1 and M2 generations if in fact that is going to happen.

  • @dustcake2576
    @dustcake2576 Месяц назад +10

    Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
    Ultra and extreme are reserved for the desktop so they don't need to carry components that benefits a portable design.
    And it also make sure that they should release the most powerful chip first before moving down to max > pro > base.
    Cannabized sales is one thing, another thing is then it won't have a situation where for example m4 base😅 coming out soon after chips like m3 pro and people don't know which to buy.

  • @jaralara6429
    @jaralara6429 Месяц назад +6

    “But that’s just a theory, a CHIP theory! Thanks for watching.”

  • @latinreuben
    @latinreuben Месяц назад

    So does the n3b on M3 Air & Pro mean that future parts & repairs will be complicated bec of limited inventory? If the line was rushed, do they have any defects?

  • @BarefootMediaTV
    @BarefootMediaTV Месяц назад +3

    So if im looking to get a mac studio for professional video editing around the $2,000 range I should wait until June?

    • @SJC11116
      @SJC11116 11 дней назад +1

      Your choice. I just got the M2 Max model for video work, and it’s great.

  • @ericstromquist9458
    @ericstromquist9458 Месяц назад +4

    You have an interesting idea, and the whole thing with N3B and N3E makes it plausible. The one argument on the other side of introducing the big die version on a new process generation first is that manufacturing defect densities tend to be highest at the beginning of a new process. When defect densities are high there is a disproportionate loss of yields on big die vs small, which is why it’s typically more cost effective to ramp small-die products early in a new process and wait on ramping big dies until later when defect densities are lower. So all else equal, I would expect the regular Mx to be available sooner than the Mx Max or Ultra on the same process. This could be different with the M4 because of the circumstances you cite.

  • @tushar_sachde
    @tushar_sachde Месяц назад +4

    Apple will skip the M3 Ultra chip and go straight to the M4 Ultra chip, followed by the M4, M4 Pro, and M4 Max chips later next year. Well explained. You are a genius!

  • @brunogaspar3977
    @brunogaspar3977 Месяц назад +5

    After 15 years I’m ready to upgrade my setup
    Let’s see what happens at WWDC

  • @MichaelSidneyTimpson
    @MichaelSidneyTimpson Месяц назад +2

    What about an extreme fusion chip for the Mac Pro?

  • @movdqa
    @movdqa Месяц назад +6

    I have an M1 Max Studio and it's more than enough for me. CPU and GPU are fine for what I do. I could do with a bit more RAM but it's nice to know that Apple is still doing some good work on this line. I don't expect to get an Ultra but I'd expect them to make the Max better for M4, M5, etc. At this time, I could see myself waiting for 2 nm in 2026 unless my workload drastically changes. Thanks for the news details. I do look forward to see what they are going to do with the Ultra as they might bring some of those ideas to the lesser chips.

  • @lenn55
    @lenn55 Месяц назад +22

    If Apple is serious about bringing more than 1 or 2 AAA games to the Mac they need to release a Mac for around $1500 that has more GPU cores than the base M series of chips. 20+ GPU cores to compete with the Nvidia 4070 GPUs unlike the base M3s that are more in the 2050/60 class.

    • @crestofhonor2349
      @crestofhonor2349 Месяц назад +2

      Also upgradable storage and make the 16in under $2000

    • @ducktails1695
      @ducktails1695 Месяц назад

      @@crestofhonor2349 Storage will never be upgradable on portable and consumer Macs. It's possible on the Mac Studio and Mac Pro but never in any other Mac.

    • @johnt.848
      @johnt.848 Месяц назад +2

      Are you seriously comparing a dedicated GPU chip to integrated graphics? Apples to Apples (no pun intended) would be the M3 to an AMD CPU with integrated graphics as they are the current leaders in that field. Their 8700G is the current high end chip for gaming without a dedicated GPU.

    • @ryderprogram
      @ryderprogram Месяц назад

      @@johnt.848 I believe the AMD Radeon 780M (Best AMD integrated graphics) is better than the RX 460 by 73% and is worse than the RX 470 by 18%.

    • @ryderprogram
      @ryderprogram Месяц назад +3

      @lenn55 I agree with johnt.848, you cannot compare a dedicated GPU card to integrated graphics. If Apple wanted to have AAA games on the Mac, they would make their chips support OpenGL and Vulkan. This would allow a lot more game engines to be able to port to Mac easier. The problem with this idea is that it is too cheap for Apple and macbooks are for portability and productivity.

  • @socialwill
    @socialwill Месяц назад +2

    Maybe the Ultra chips going forward will be the next generation of chips before the lower levels are released

  • @adamthurmond9092
    @adamthurmond9092 Месяц назад

    If my budgeting won’t allow me to get an M3 Max MacBook Pro until the fall, should I hold off through the fall til an M4 Max MacBook Pro comes around?

  • @mehdi969
    @mehdi969 Месяц назад +30

    lol ! Each year the same vidéos pattern. Last year, you announced directly the M3 Pro and Max without announcement of M3.
    It was a mistake and this year you go even further and predict a M4 ultra before the reveal of the M4 family.
    As no sense if a new chip is revealed at the WWDC it will be the M3 Ultra.

  • @drewbuntoo
    @drewbuntoo Месяц назад +3

    This was a good analysis. Good catch on the N3b, that reasoning is very convincing

  • @helveklikk
    @helveklikk 28 дней назад

    will the M4 Pro Mac Mini be the best value Mac again? Or just the M4 Mac Mini? Will gaming finally be viable on Macs?

  • @coopernorris3160
    @coopernorris3160 Месяц назад

    What about a fusion strip across the ultra to make the extreme for the Mac Pro?

  • @HolaMundoDev
    @HolaMundoDev Месяц назад

    Hey guys, do you have a studio tour video?

    • @MaxTechOfficial
      @MaxTechOfficial  Месяц назад

      We don't have much of a studio just yet! Maybe in the future

  • @frazerweb
    @frazerweb Месяц назад

    Wonder if this security issue with cache will be addresses in future chips?

  • @klauszinser
    @klauszinser Месяц назад +3

    Re your speculation on M4 you have some good points. Looking back I think the M4 will be the processor that was designed after the breakthrough of Chat-GPT.
    Also a good point to start with the high end.
    Means with M4 there is the initial opportunity from Apple to improve the processors based on the Chat GPT knowledge.

  • @BlackMan614
    @BlackMan614 Месяц назад +4

    This tells me, though it may be introduced during WWDC, it won't be available until the end of the year. M2 Max looking better.

  • @Sitrilein
    @Sitrilein Месяц назад

    Is this because of Snap Dragon pressure?

  • @AmauryJacquot
    @AmauryJacquot Месяц назад

    have they fixed the cache-related flaw though ?

  • @nyanko2077
    @nyanko2077 Месяц назад

    Wait, you mean they would release ipad M3 pro in may and the ipad M4 pro in june? Like why?

  • @cebulka81
    @cebulka81 Месяц назад +1

    right now i am curies how will they patch the exploit in the m chips

  • @hitmaninblood
    @hitmaninblood Месяц назад

    What about Thunderbolt 5? Will we see TB5 on the new Mac Studios?

  • @mootsym
    @mootsym Месяц назад +2

    What I’d give for the M4pro MB to be in stores by Black Friday. .. complete with 1TB SSD and 24gb (or at least 20?) standard specs.. for $1850 on sale. Testicles crossed.

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X Месяц назад

      1TB and 24gb for 1850. Talk about a rip-off.

  • @fatiswealth7865
    @fatiswealth7865 Месяц назад +3

    There are still people rocking with the 2012 MacBook Air 😎

    • @WaterShowsProd
      @WaterShowsProd Месяц назад

      I'm still using my Macbook Pro 2011. I did upgrade it with more RAM and an SSD which gave it a bit of a boost, but it does have some limits regarding what it can run.

  • @haeven1622
    @haeven1622 Месяц назад +3

    I'm so glad that Apple is working so nicely and closely with TSMC! And yes, Apple is a genius, both in business and in tech!

  • @andysPARK
    @andysPARK Месяц назад

    How can a risc chip replace a x86 architecture?

  • @TheRadiantSilvergun
    @TheRadiantSilvergun Месяц назад +7

    I don't see why apple would use the new node for the ultra chips. Any silicon that uses the new node id imagine apple will use that to make as much iPhone silicon as it makes them the most money.

    • @williamwallace410
      @williamwallace410 Месяц назад +1

      Well, they have enough time now to produce enough iPhone chips by September anyway. So it does make sense to start with the macs planning wise since the new N3E is available since December.

    • @TamasKiss-yk4st
      @TamasKiss-yk4st Месяц назад +1

      Even the 5nm was limited to Apple for just one year, in the next year not just all Apple products, but all Android flagships was also on 5nm, they improve the capacity in every year, so in the 2nd year the limited capacity is not nessesary true, even the competitors may use that too.

    • @alextgordon
      @alextgordon 17 дней назад

      How much performance is really required to run iMessage?

  • @daveh6356
    @daveh6356 Месяц назад +4

    Low-end-first never made much sense to me so seeing the MBPs released prior to MBAs was more logical. Apple should move to Ultra Mac Studio/Mac Pro first then Max Mac Studio, Max/Pro MacBook Pro & Pro Mini then Mini/iMac/MacBook Air/iPad.

    • @MaxTechOfficial
      @MaxTechOfficial  Месяц назад +1

      Yes, exactyl! Sell newest-gen chips on highest-end Macs first.

    • @ghost-user559
      @ghost-user559 Месяц назад +1

      No it has to be a mix. They know their actual bread and butter is normal people who *want* to make moves, they only have their halo products for industry clout. They make all their money off of the lowest end of the spectrum with iPads and MacBooks. Desktops are purely for optics and gaining industry attention.

    • @daveh6356
      @daveh6356 Месяц назад

      @@ghost-user559 of course it has to be a mix, where did I suggest they cancel the low-end products? High-end first makes more sense as initial production yields are low & the excessive cost is better justified/recovered in high-end products plus they get a better stab at technical primacy.

    • @ghost-user559
      @ghost-user559 Месяц назад

      @@daveh6356 I am saying low end first nets them the most profitable returns precisely because normal people are the ones purchasing the majority of their inventory and high end purchases are considered niche or “professional” and generally are ore long term investments. So I’m saying the way they do it now actually makes more sense when you look at how they actually make the bulk of their money. They make far more money off of the initial hype of a lower end line then they ever receive off of the high end which is relatively small numbers of purchases comparatively, and also far less often.

  • @108u9
    @108u9 Месяц назад +1

    If true, perhaps the Nuvia folks are piling the pressure. Their chips seem more catered for high performance. Apple perhaps wants to ensure it maintains leadership and design the new Ultras to be more performant

  • @siddsbohra
    @siddsbohra Месяц назад +68

    Seems like Qualcomm has started putting some pressure on apple as X Elite is on toe to toe with M3 Pro

    • @Troll_Master_911
      @Troll_Master_911 Месяц назад +33

      it won’t even surpass m1 lol 😂

    • @Jibale_
      @Jibale_ Месяц назад +1

      @@Troll_Master_911really it won’t? Chill please, Lmfao😂

    • @a-alex-p7033
      @a-alex-p7033 Месяц назад +15

      Competition is great, just wish X Elite’s power usage wouldve been more similar to m3 pro since it competes with it

    • @jinraigami3349
      @jinraigami3349 Месяц назад +2

      @@Jibale_ The only good thing is it will be a good alternative for Apple if Apple can no longer catch up it, but I doubt it will happen any time soon.
      It doesn't mean anthing for Windows as Microsoft can't force developers to create Arm apps for it like Apple did. You'll have to go for Linux for that, but I doubt people will be interrested.

    • @arechikitsune
      @arechikitsune Месяц назад +3

      @@Jibale_ it's actually 3 years behind since they began recently compared to apple. They need to find a way to catch up so they can really put pressure on them.

  • @zaquin_1
    @zaquin_1 Месяц назад +1

    I don't think the Apple will be skip the M3 Ultra, it's has more sense make the fully redesigning the Ultra chip into one big chip, that use the N3E, with newest technologies and more, and calling the M3 Ultra, because the Mac Studio still will come alongside with the M3 Max Chip, and in end of the year they fully surprise our with the M3 Extreme, build from the 2 M3 Ultra Chip in the Mac Pro.

  • @tjk_9000
    @tjk_9000 7 дней назад

    great video, been looking for the details on this. I really need to upgrade my M1 Mac Mini, started doing 3D work and it's chugging. but definitely wanted to know more about the next studio. Definitely going to order this if it's got the M4.

  • @joerama
    @joerama Месяц назад +2

    Here’s 2x more speculation.
    1) Perhaps the hardware security flaw in the M3 chips has led to Apple redesigning the M3 chip to incorporate a fix. In that case, the new chip may simply be an M3’.
    However, if Apple is contemplating leading the M4 generation with M4 Ultra, that would be quite an engineering feat. The logical progression engineering-wise is simple to complex. According to your speculation, M4 Ultra first would mean they push the envelope first and then (simply) strip down and add back some efficiency cores. Sounds unlikely, but I hope you’re right. Marketing-wise, it would be great. Put out the heavy-hitting hardware first, and then feed the masses with normal kit.
    2) Let’s say you’re right. With all the delays on M2 and M3, perhaps M4 generation is the perfect generation to jump the gun on Ultra. Apple has (in theory) had way more time to design the M3 then M4 than anticipated. Maybe the engineering team has a fully designed Neural Core in hand burning to put into silicon. If so (and the AI bump M4 rumors are true), then not only could Apple nip the security flaw in the bud with M4 Ultra, but they could roll out their latest AI Neural hardware sooner than later… in keeping with their AI push for 2024 Apple WWDC. That would be great. And that would wet the appetite of developers for AI tooling in 2024 (M4 Ultra), and consumers for AI support in 2025 (M4 etc.).
    Max, I hope you are onto something. It would be an engineering miracle if Apple pulled it off. And I”m not sure it would automatically work for the next (M5) generations of hardware. An M4 Ultra “one off” perhaps? I would love those more numerous, powerful Neural cores now rather than another 2x years from now.
    Fingers crossed.

  • @gregorantl1257
    @gregorantl1257 Месяц назад +1

    Do you think the new Mac Studio will have Thunderbolt 5 ports?

  • @julian42x
    @julian42x Месяц назад

    yep makes sense I'm convinced

  • @sukheshpd
    @sukheshpd Месяц назад +1

    What about Mac mini? It still has m2

  • @defenderstargate1447
    @defenderstargate1447 Месяц назад

    Well-reasoned. And I hope you are correct on the Studio. Don't think they would release everything this WWDC, but releasing the M4 Studio and reversing the order of machine release like you mention makes sense.

  • @youtubepro2323
    @youtubepro2323 Месяц назад +2

    M4 Mac mini would be insane to skip the M3 especially if the price tag doesn't go back to 700

  • @tylerreed3754
    @tylerreed3754 28 дней назад

    Chomping at the bit for the new Mac Studio or Pro with M4 chip and Ray Tracing. Had to buy a custom PC, for my design software, that does ray trace renderings.

  • @sadatnafis2032
    @sadatnafis2032 Месяц назад

    Maybe they are planning to move the ultrafusion connector from the M3 Max to the new redesigned M3 Ultra. So they can combine 2 of those to create an even faster, lets say M3 Mega chip which they can put in the mac pro tower.

  • @johnt.848
    @johnt.848 Месяц назад

    I'm confused, if Apple are buying all the 3nm Chips, what are AMD using for their Chips that are supposed to be on the 3nm process?

  • @durohr666
    @durohr666 Месяц назад +4

    Great news. Thanks for the great video and the detailed information.

  • @PAZPERDEE
    @PAZPERDEE Месяц назад

    When do we think M3 Mac Studio is coming

    • @subvind
      @subvind Месяц назад +1

      june 10th and they will call it M4

  • @peterpayne2219
    @peterpayne2219 Месяц назад +23

    Why do they refuse to give us the black color we want? Why are they so set on matching the 2011 Mac Mini's esthetics?

    • @tonyburzio4107
      @tonyburzio4107 Месяц назад +13

      Turn off the light in your room.

    • @supersaiyanrose8232
      @supersaiyanrose8232 Месяц назад +1

      @@tonyburzio4107😂

    • @-Tanjiro.
      @-Tanjiro. Месяц назад +1

      Its already been over a decade and only the Macbook M3 Max got the space black, I mean why not air and Pro 😢

    • @-Tanjiro.
      @-Tanjiro. Месяц назад

      nice sense of humor @tonyburzio4107

    • @Just_a_random_birb
      @Just_a_random_birb Месяц назад +1

      Paint it *BLACK*

  • @1DwtEaUn
    @1DwtEaUn Месяц назад

    Wonder if the M4 if it happens then would fix the cache bugs: ‘Go Fetch’, etc.

  • @thesuperstar4470
    @thesuperstar4470 Месяц назад

    What about m3 extreme ?

  • @jronmantech
    @jronmantech Месяц назад

    Maybe the Studio will stick with only the M4 Ultra chip and just get a 3x or 4x binned version to replace the two base configurations.

  • @andre__b
    @andre__b Месяц назад

    they will not release the complete m4 lineup on wwdc, because it is a software conference... m4 ultra & m4 extreme for mac pro, and m4 ultra and m4 max for studio could be the line-up for wwdc

  • @vigamortezadventures7972
    @vigamortezadventures7972 9 дней назад

    Think the only way is if they got games working on Mac and they optimized games to work through their translation layer .

  • @Fwuzeem
    @Fwuzeem 18 дней назад

    I can easily make the most out of those efficiency cores with Handbrake and Reaper

  • @cjeelde
    @cjeelde Месяц назад +1

    I don't know if we should believe in M4 this soon after the first M3 chips. M3 came out at Halloween 2023, and now 7 months later we gonna see M4?
    I just hope that Mac Studio and Pro will get updated on WWDC 2024! Either M3 or M4.
    It's only 2 months left now!! That's 8-9 weeks or so. Insane!

  • @brittikkayal303
    @brittikkayal303 Месяц назад

    6:15
    Hmm makes sense

  • @craigjohnchronicles2504
    @craigjohnchronicles2504 Месяц назад +1

    I would be 100% giddy if Apple released a new M4 Max Mac Studio along with the M4 Ultra version. Bring

  • @Spoonfed78
    @Spoonfed78 Месяц назад +14

    Why are they so violent, everytime I open RUclips it seems Apple is killing something 🤔

    • @hasansahin7965
      @hasansahin7965 25 дней назад

      in sports, like Volleyball, to kill the ball means making score, or winning point. So, please check all meanings of the word 'kill', and then make comment(s).

    • @jakeyounglol
      @jakeyounglol 12 дней назад +1

      @@hasansahin7965 it's obviously sarcastic

    • @hasansahin7965
      @hasansahin7965 12 дней назад

      @@jakeyounglol looking at the emoji that Spoonfed78 used, i don't agree with you.

  • @techguypaul
    @techguypaul Месяц назад

    Makes a ton of sense to just build the Ultra chip from the ground up without the extra shit. Releasing it first is cool too cause then when the other M4 chips come out, you can compare performance to the best chip and see how close you can get to the best performance Mac.

  • @nabiljemel2838
    @nabiljemel2838 Месяц назад

    Can it run Crysis ?

  • @panosgk7131
    @panosgk7131 24 дня назад

    just bring back the imac to it's full glory. We've waited 4 years 😭

  • @labonnemedia
    @labonnemedia 29 дней назад

    They need to do something to differentiate the Mac Pro. I bet they simplify the line... M4 Ultra only in the Pro, M4 Max in the Studio, and then M4 Max, and M4 Pro as options in the MBP, finally, base M4 in iPads and Air.

  • @davidcache
    @davidcache Месяц назад +2

    That's cool, but I feel apple is out of luck considering they don't have the same software support that AMD and Intel have. Cuda support, nope... Rocm? Nope... AMD, nvidia and Intel all have arm licenses. Here's what I think is going to happen, X86 will be phased out... Why, X86 processors are 16 bit affairs, the processor bit depth is managed by the firmware (bios), cpu real mode is handled by the operating system. Aarch64 on the other hand is a 64 bit processor, from the ground up. The value of not having to shift through registers in arms risc architecture makes it more efficient, less power hungry and more resilient to race conditions. An arm processor with low level support of Intel op codes could really change computing, and I think this is what's next. Intel and AMD will have an X86 / arm hybrid. Sounds farfetched but AMD already has their versal lineup, and they have explicitly reported having arms amba directly on die for their next X86 cpu's ... Within 10 years, we'll have an X86/ arm hybrid... mark my words...

  • @zenmaster24
    @zenmaster24 Месяц назад

    what about the mac mini though? for those of us who want a desktop mac but dont need a studio

  • @t20594
    @t20594 Месяц назад

    So they are going to go to Maximum yield for the Ultra and then bin down Max and Pro instead of maximum core function on mid chip with poor yields at higher concentrations.

  • @tamalchakraborty5346
    @tamalchakraborty5346 Месяц назад

    What I think is, instead of the Max chip being the high end of developement, since the Apple Silicon is now matured, the Ultra chips would become the high end and will contain the ultrafusion technology.
    The Apple Car had something similar , where they fused 4 ultra chips together for the computing process.
    Well, lets see.

  • @Viviko
    @Viviko 29 дней назад

    Perfect. Time to upgrade my old Mac Mini :)

  • @LightningBeast001
    @LightningBeast001 Месяц назад +97

    Ipads are too late now

    • @safebet5841
      @safebet5841 Месяц назад

      Mai

    • @bubabiwin
      @bubabiwin Месяц назад +3

      Fr

    • @ajaygadgetech
      @ajaygadgetech Месяц назад +8

      iPad is dead anyway

    • @KenMrKLC
      @KenMrKLC Месяц назад +12

      iPads? lol do they still sell those large iPhones?

    • @rainbowdash3419
      @rainbowdash3419 Месяц назад +1

      @@KenMrKLCSamsung tablets be like: so are we just jokes to you?

  • @Jason_Carnes
    @Jason_Carnes Месяц назад +1

    I think Apple might do a complete M4 release dump like you said at the end. M4, M4 Pro, M4Max, M4 Ultra, run through these chips, trying to get people who bought into the M1 generation to upgrade to M4... THEN release M5 a year after with Thunderbolt 5 support. The M5 will be on the next die. Personally, I won't upgrade again until Thunderbolt 5 comes out on the M series.

  • @bogey4741
    @bogey4741 Месяц назад +20

    So I agree with everything you are saying but the piece I think you are missing that makes everything fit together is that they are going to rebrand this chip as the D1 and differentiate it from the M series (mobile) as a dedicated desktop line of chips.
    It will support higher wattage and have no efficiency cores and better graphics and ai and io support for the desktop. This will finally make clear their full lineup of A series (phone), M series (mobile) and D series (desktop) silicon.
    It would not surprise me at all if they release D1 and D1 pro and maybe even higher for the Mac Pro. But I’m sure they are going to announce their entire new desktop lineup at wwdc.

    • @Epicgamer_Mac
      @Epicgamer_Mac Месяц назад +3

      That’s actually a great ideo

    • @Applecore365
      @Applecore365 Месяц назад +2

      I thought M stood for Mac lol

    • @MaxTechOfficial
      @MaxTechOfficial  Месяц назад +2

      This is an excellent idea!

    • @subvind
      @subvind Месяц назад +1

      i thought it stood for ARM and Mac

  • @vatoalex83
    @vatoalex83 Месяц назад

    Good take as always Max!
    Surely will be exciting to see what they will show us on WWDC, might give us a peak...

  • @ath3263
    @ath3263 Месяц назад

    That's would a major change

  • @InsaneFilms
    @InsaneFilms 27 дней назад

    Great analysis

  • @smgumbycat
    @smgumbycat Месяц назад +1

    I think it will happen like this: Mac mini will get M3 and M3 Pro. Mac Studio will get the M4 Pro and M4 Ultra. Mac Pro will get the M4 Ultra

  • @Mo_Klonus
    @Mo_Klonus Месяц назад

    Counter-thought is that there wasn't Ultra-Fusion interconnect on M3 chips if they were using the N3B node for only one "cycle" of chips, specific to one chip using it. It would be cheaper to use the wafer space to cram out extra chips without the interconnect and skip an Ultra version for a cycle when most M2 Ultra users might not even upgrade to it. I wouldn't count it being discarded, and returning with the M4 going back to the industry standard N3E. Also, since Apple was doing everything to be first to market with 3nm, it would make sense for them to make more of the smaller chips, netting more on each wafer as well as selling them first in the Air to recoup the investment quicker than a bigger die/less chips per wafer/more expensive Macs.

    • @MaxTechOfficial
      @MaxTechOfficial  Месяц назад

      This is a good point! Ultrafusion could show up on M4 Max again

  • @some______guy
    @some______guy Месяц назад

    omg what an amazing development. Are you really telling med they will replace the M3 with the M4? I could never have imagined that.
    /s

  • @rafaelacash7
    @rafaelacash7 Месяц назад

    Damn I'd like to see an M4 MAX Mac Studio or even M4 Pro release during WWDC... I had my eyes on an M2 Pro/Max but maybe I'll go M4 Pro/Max this time lol

  • @TazzSmk
    @TazzSmk Месяц назад

    makes sense,
    I wouldn't be surprised if Apple sold M4 Ultra and M3 Max Mac Studio simultaneously though (skipping M4 Max)

  • @divyanshbhutra5071
    @divyanshbhutra5071 Месяц назад

    My theory here, based on some evidence.
    With the M1 and M2 chips, Apple had essentially scaled MX to MX Pro and that to MX Max, two of which made the MX Ultra. But the M3 series chips took a very different approach. Apple designed the chip layout for M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max completely seperately. It's not a mere scaling in terms of chip layout. Hence, I believe (and hope) something similar is gonna happen to the M3 Ultra too.

  • @keithwalls6316
    @keithwalls6316 Месяц назад +1

    My 2017 iMac Pro is getting VERY long in the tooth, and I'm patiently waiting for whatever they are going to call the next-gen Mac Studio processors.

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X Месяц назад

      Here's an idea for a name. "Overpriced".

    • @ducktails1695
      @ducktails1695 Месяц назад

      Nearly anything you buy will be faster....

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X Месяц назад

      @@ducktails1695
      And yet still slower than anything equally priced with Intel silicon.

    • @ducktails1695
      @ducktails1695 Месяц назад

      @@AB-80X Not at all

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X Месяц назад

      @@ducktails1695 Can you show me a Mac Max or Studio that will outrun or jsut hang with a 14700K or 14900K with a 16GB GPU in any bench test or say in Resolve or Premiere? What about ML or CAD? Not really. You will have to spend a lot more money on a Mac to compete which is not even really possible. That's not even a personal opinion, that's just a blatant fact. All you have to do is look up bench test results.
      Apple has not been the leader in these areas for years, sorry to say. It's all Core i, Threadrippers, Xeon or EPYC.

  • @goobfilmcast4239
    @goobfilmcast4239 Месяц назад +1

    I am still rocking the base M1 Mini. As an advanced hobbyist but not a "Content Creator" (BTW, that term sucks), I won't consider an upgrade for at least another year or longer. That may be just in time for the future yet still entry-level M4 Mac Mini.

  • @bryan2604s
    @bryan2604s Месяц назад

    i think the interconnection of two die is a great idea but it can be better.
    M3/M4 Ultra can have a CPU, NPU and other stuff on one die and a big GPU die connect directly to CPU die this technique will be much faster.
    A GPU don't really need the best connection possible between CPU and GPU but all GPU core need that it's better for scaling GPU.
    It's the same thing with CPU with less impact than GPU, probably the same with NPU one bigger better than 2 small with "slow" interconnect.
    It is probably the only way to make a really big gap performance between MAX and ULTRA because MAX chip are already big Apple can't double the performance in only one die it's almost impossible/unprofitable to double the size of the SOC die...

  • @matzepeng9202
    @matzepeng9202 Месяц назад

    Maybe Apple stops the M3 Max-option in the MacStudio, and they do an additional MacMini-version with the M3 Max. The cooling shouldnt be a problem. And the Mac Studio comes in the future with an Ultra-chip only...

  • @ArmonMitchell
    @ArmonMitchell Месяц назад

    way to line it all up excellent

  • @midnightsnack1306
    @midnightsnack1306 21 день назад

    I hope so. my M1 Ultra is so far good enough for what I need. The only way I will splurge for an M4 Ultra is if the performance is at least double.

  • @ub59
    @ub59 6 дней назад

    Ray tracing and path tracing are complementary functions in 3D rendering, but path tracing still seems a ways off with Apple M3. Will M4 Ultra accommodate both? If so, Nvidea look out! I'll join the wait list for a Studio M4 Ultra, with 128 GB RAM and 2 TB SSD storage and hope for a decade of use. I'll have to sell an arm and a leg, but still, I want to keep the superior Apple hardware and OS.

  • @intension1744
    @intension1744 5 дней назад

    Considering there is now m4 on ipads this seems more plausible now!

  • @genxtechguy
    @genxtechguy Месяц назад

    I can totally perceive the slight “glitch” from the N3B chip in my iPhone 15 Pro Max … You can’t really see it, it’s like you can feel the flawed chip in your gut. It’s hard to explain … you just know you’re using a flawed chip … you can sense it … like, my right eye will twinge a little … you know?

  • @joaquinsantoyo49
    @joaquinsantoyo49 Месяц назад

    Great video!

  • @TheGippy30
    @TheGippy30 Месяц назад +12

    Omg 5 minutes in and still no M4 mentioned

  •  Месяц назад

    I'm just waiting for a M3 Mac Studio to be released. If those leaks with M4 chips are real... WOW! It will worth the wait! 🙏

  • @ericpalmer2454
    @ericpalmer2454 9 дней назад

    These brothers are the GOATS. Literally. Good job fellas. Don't forget the LOGIC BENCHMARKS!

  • @k691
    @k691 28 дней назад

    I'm not Apple fan but with this pace they will be the company to build a ready-player-one machine

  • @PersonSuit
    @PersonSuit 28 дней назад

    With the recent M4 leaks regarding AI, I really hope this is true. If Apple just comes out with an M3 Ultra, which I am sure would already look pretty amazing even if it just followed their previous method giving us 32 CPU cores and 80 GPU cores. I am not sure how people would feel knowing an AI centric M4 Max would literally be just a few months away. I don't know if I expect much from the M4 in terms of CPU or GPU bumps but with this "AI" focus it probably means we are getting the first neural engine upgrade since the M1 and that they may be trying to be competitive with Nvidia. That in itself is huge for a lot of workloads, to the point the people eyeing an Ultra class SoC might actually be far more intrigued by the neural engine on a M4 Max.
    Personally I have been awaiting an M3 Ultra just to get a quiet power house, since the M3 Max 16in I tested just got so loud under full load that I had to return it. But, those same workloads leverage the neural engine cores quite a bit, so if the Studio comes out and it's not rocking that M4 or something comparable, then here I am waiting again. Maybe I will just get the M4 Macbook and dock it in a drawer or something lol. I really hope they don't goof this. It made more since to me to do the Base M, then the Pro/Max, then the Ultra. But having the Ultra right next to the launch of the Pro/Max just feels like a bad move.

  • @MarcABrown-tt1fp
    @MarcABrown-tt1fp Месяц назад

    Well, 79% extra performance from 100% more Gpu resources using its cross die bridge is most certainly significantly better scaling than NVlink from NVIDIA.