MASTERING The SINGLE STROKE w/ MATCHED GRIP
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- This introductory lesson on how to master the single stroke roll covers best grip, wrist & finger mechanics and how to use the stick properties to develop and play a killer single stroke on the kit! Complete with 5 Exercises!
2:56 Differences in French, German, American grips explained
5:44 Playing different parts of the stick
8:16 Incorporating the Fingers
10:00 Exercise #1 - Straight Singles Playing the Pulse
12:41 Exercise #2 - Shifting the Pulse to the Left Hand
14:15 Exercise #3 - 2 Loud, 2 Quiet
15:23 Exercise #4 - Shifting the 2 Loud, 2 Quiet
16:32 Exercise #5 - Combination of #3 & #4
18:12 Benefits of Doing these exercises
19:24 Demo of Exercises Sped Up
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*Just how many game changers can I give y’all in one year?!! Plenty. That’s how many 😉 Trust me, man. Watch this entire video…do these exercises correctly, and you’ll have a seriously smokin’ single stroke!*
BTW, LOVE this shit!
Rob Brown hay Robb what watch is that called
That's the Soundbrenner Pulse wearable metronome
dude i think the most important part of this video, you kinda flew right past it! putting the fulcrum on the middle finger?! whaaaaaaaaaa?!?!!?
Rob Brown how would I apply these strokes and licks around the kit. I have been playing drums for awhile and I have gotten good but I kno I can get even better. My problem is applying the strokes around the toms and kick especially my doubles. I have control but not as well as I know I should and without that my speed is lacking so how can apply around the kit?. Also how can I get that very nice tempo watch you have? Thanks your videos have helped me in the past so I’m back for more lol thanks for your help.
Rob: "AMERICAN GRIP"
me: thinking that he will explain how to hold a gun
Dude I don’t know if people can see it but damn you’re humorous as hell. Great lessons man. I’m subscribed.
Doeven Ong dude, I laugh so hard at rob. He is fkin hilarious.
But hell is not humorous.hahaha ,I crack myself up.
Hi Rob, I started playing when I was 13, I am 66 now but never got into rudiments just concentrated on variations of beats. I can see where I have missed out all of these years. I will start practicing these rudiments you are sharing. Thank you.
Vernon Steinkamp if you enjoyed your experience than you didn’t miss out. It is so easy with people like Rob giving us great practice routines and inspiration to get better at the instrument we all love. There were no real resources when I was learning, and I definitely couldn’t afford great teaching. Drum on!
I agree with Vernon, and also have been playing for over thirty years without REALLY doing the rudimental work. Now I am and my playing feels totally different...and for the better (still feels "weird", but that will go away). Cheers!
I’m a 55 year old woman who wanted to play the drums when she was young but never was allowed. I started drumming a year ago (taking biweekly lessons as well) and am now working on the rudiments 😁. Looks like I started just in time 😉.
I agree with you. Only, I started with rudiments when first started to play when I was about 13, now 53 and I REALLY wish I would've stuck practicing my rudiments because I would be really really good with them by now!! I still enjoyed playing but I can see where I would be much better had I kept up practice with the rudiments! Especially now that I have to play EVERYTHING with just my hands due to a serious motorcycle accident in 1991 that left me paralyzed from the armpits down!! I never gave up the drums though since I love playing so much! It was pretty rough at first trying to figure out how to play all the different beats and and other things that you're used to playing with four limbs and now you have to pay them with only two. Simple beats were easy but when you get into the more complex beats etc, and things like triplets and quadruplets getting them to sound the same using two limbs opposed to using four limbs that's where it got a lot more complicated!! It was almost like starting all over again. Also of course I had to switch to some electric gear so I could program a bass drum up where I could hit it with my hands etc. There's more of course but this comment is too long already and I think you get the idea. Thanks, keep on drumming and God bless you!
I'm only 22 but I've done the exact same, in a band and I can't even do a roll but can play in time and have a good variation of beats, I just learned from playing along to songs
Hey, Rob! I just want to say that this video's opening solo around the kit, is EXACTLY how I strive and practice to be...loose, comfortable, fluid, and relaxed when playing. Your skills, technique, and, most importantly your attitude toward this fantastic instrument is so inspirational and insightful. When I'm asked, " Who is your favorite drummer?" The names Bonham, Gadd, Rich, Peart come to mind. But I answer Rob "Beatdown" Brown is my favorite drummer! You have done more for me than any other. To inspire another human being is a powerful thing, Rob.
I Thank You.
Thanks a bunch for the super kind words, man 👊🏽🙂
Yes, Rob Brown you are indeed one of my favorite drummer teachers!!!
Well said. I heard a song where the drummer was doing a two beat (double time) at 150 (300) beats per minute. He is doing this for at least 5 minutes with ease. I go straight to Rob for advice on speeding up my singles strokes. Thanks Rob.
He is awesome, always teaching me something everyday and motivating me to get better
So the Canadian grip is like the American grip, just much more polite, and stickier from the maple syrup. :)
Gonna practice this for two days straight by a lake in upstate NY. Singles, my pad, the lake, and nothin to do but get better.
We may be neighbors I reside in South Buffalo, NY very close to Lake Erie
:-)
@@jamesjackson5418 Cool. I'm from the area. Hope to get back there real soon
The Vermont grip is also sticky from syrup.
I feel like I have alot of gaps in my drumming lol, I can do more advanced things than this but it took me a while to get this down lol
I have seen players who can play fast ,just don't ask them to play slow ,they can't for some reason.
You will find your way ,pigeons all ways do.
I hear you. I feel like some of my skills are decent, but some are definitely pretty basic at this point.
That's why it's the hardest rudiment.
Same! I got really screwed up with Moeller and rebound dependent so here I am…. 😂
Hey Rob. I just want to tell you i have been playing drums since 5 years old. Im now 44. I have always hated rudimentary practice and my left hand is weak. For the last few weeks i made myself start practicing rudiments to make myself better. I string together your single, double, paradiddle and six stroke role videos in each practice and i can now play things i never could before all thanks to you. Even playing in bands i never felt good at the drums and with this practice i now do i feel like im the best i have ever been. Your lessons make practicing fun. I still need alot of work on my weak left hand for double stroke rolls but i hope one day my doubles will come along. Thank you for you efforts. God bless brother.
Rob, you are currently my all-time favorite drummer. Thank you for your awesome videos. Btw.....Depeche Mode, kicks butt.
Thanks a lot, man 🙂🤘🏽
Dang. Your playing kicks so much ass. And i agree. Mode is fantastic. 🥂✨
First exercise: "This isn't so bad. I can do this."
Every subsequent exercise: "I am so lost..."
Rob, Just wanted to say not only do you have mad skills on the kit, but explaning/giving lessons as well! My hero! You've inspired me to get back to the kit! Im an "older new drummer" if that makes any sense... lol! Thanks for all you do!
That's not the J Jones?
Wow!- I'm a beginner- (aged 59) finally fulfilling a dream to learn how to play drums. Have been messing about on a beginner e drum kit for two months and have just got a practice pad/snare stand to learn the rudiments properly. I love your clear, crisp presentation. The biggest compliment I can pay you at this stage is to say 'you make rudiments fun'! Sincere thanks from U.K.
Know where your at I started six months ago age fifty six harder than I thought but finally starting to feel it it's cool 😁
Nice description of the 3 grips. I do mostly jazz now so developing QUIET fast singles is a goal for me. Eagerly awaiting more. BTW, I just started a $3/mo donation to you. You said you have 50,000 subscribers. If we each gave only $3/mo, that would provide $1,800,000/year. After taxes maybe only a million. I hope you can get by on that ‘cause a million ain’t what it used to be!
Rob since I've found your channel my approach to playing has hit the sky. The whole deal mate! From posture to stickings, to developing dynamics, to even tempo, to even volume, etc etc etc. I've played the same set of drums I got when I was a kid and I've used them through the years in dance bands, to covers bands BUT I've never attempted to play with consistent discipline. At the tender age of fifty, I'm rediscovering my playing and finally I'm focused on all of these things you demonstrate across your videos. I'm starting small. At the moment I've got sticks and a couple of cushions and now that I've got everything nice and comfortable I am practicing my rudiments in front of the screen. I'm not joking when I say that by following you I have advanced in a few months what I haven't been able to achieve in three decades! Thanks mate and keep the mojo coming :-)
Hey,,, don't kid yourself,,, You left out the press or buzz roll as an important skill to acquire !!!**!!1. It's a beautiful roll if played properly and is not matchable by any other sound,, I.e. A single, a double, a paradiddle , can all sound pretty much the same if played evenly,,, none of them sound like a press roll!! An amazing example of it is used by Tony Williams on one of those Lifetime recordings with McGlaughlin on it--- He goes From fff to ppp using a buzz roll-- as a fill ----So awesome!!!
10 days ago, I tried the first exercise only to fail miserably.
I poked around some more and I found out he uses the Moller Technique. And what this technique is, is it divides strokes into 4 types: tap, full-stroke, down-stroke, and up-stroke. You need to be able to train yourself to do the following:
*R = Right hand, L = Left hand, D=Down-stroke, U = Up-stroke, T = Tap
R(D) R(U) R(D) R(U) and L(D) L(U) L(D) L(U)
So you can then do this:
R(D) L(T) R(U) L(T) R(D) L(T) R(U) L(T)
When you shift the accent to the 2nd note, it looks like this:
R(T) L(D) R(T) L(U) R(T) L(D) R(T) L(U)
now I can do these exercises flawlessly. Merci beaucoup Rob Brown 🤙
Right, before you watch this you need to see the Vic Firth vid entitled “Grip and basic strokes”
Love what you said about spending that little extra $ for a proper t-shirt and support the band. Bootleg merch is something to be ashamed of. Like watching a hard-coded korean sub cam of a movie instead of going to the cinema. If you like it, support it!
Depeche mode... 💙👊😎 as Dr Robb Brown goes without saying Excellent 💙👊😎
Hey Rob, great lesson. I’m working on this and the 3 rudiments lesson. I have a question: In these exercises, with no extra flurries faster than the sixteenth notes, at what tempo do the fingers start coming into it? I’m focussing on doing it all with wrists at the moment.
I’ve only been playing for a year and ive been extremely discouraged with my single strokes lately. I wasted way to much time focusing on speed thinking id sound more impressive but its videos like this that motivate me to practice the right way and to stick with ot slow and steady. Thanks a lot for the work you put into these videos bro
I subscribed & I don't even have a kit ..lol
That’s how you do it, right there 😄 Thanks, man
Get one dude! For 200 bux you can have a great kit. Cymbals are a lil more but get a cymbal pack and for about 500 bux u have all u need. And u have the best teacher you could possibly have! Also look up the 80/20 drummer and mike Johnston. Man you'll be set
Thanks Rob. I have not played in 50 years but I still got my Ludwigs. I am feeling the need to jump back in and I very much appreciate your help. Please tell me about your watch. I am thinking that would really help me stay on beat.
Great lesson Rob, my singles always need working on ,so these exercises are definitely needed
Actually Speed without control is like having a lamborghini with no steering wheel.
Hey there Rob, I just want to thank you mate. I've been a drummer for years but never really practiced rudiments, I mean I've tried but I never seem to progress or get much better. I have been in a very dark place until just the last couple of days after discovering your practice sessions. I've pretty much lost all my work due to the virus and just lost my brother to cancer also. Doing just this lesson and practicing for a couple of hours has not only rocketed my speed and consistency, but it's given me focus and a fire to keep doing it. You've helped me in alot more ways than just improving my drumming and I really want you to know your way of teaching is awesome.. keeep it up . Daz
"Keep those quiet notes nice and quiet" was great advice. It's surprising how difficult it is to keep the non-accent notes consistent. Great exercise.
Thanks Rob...I'm on it. Year of the hands, baby!!
Dear Rob, I don't know if you're the best drummer but you're definitely the best drumming teacher I've found. I have been practicing your rudiments for not even a month and my skills have already improved a lot and I am a 38 years old beginner. I finally grasped the proper hand technique. Thank you and chapeaux bas to you my friend.
This dude is the eldorado of drumming lessons. So much benefits out it its insane. And easy to understand.
i play ur video all time when i practice on pad 2-3 hour :-),every time,,,,u make me laugh every time ,and i hear good things...and i see that not only me crazy,to hit rubber surface 3 hour..lol
You are by far the best drum instructor on the scene today!
Great analogy using that 105mph fastball concept
My singles were a disaster until I saw this. You take the mystery out of learning this stuff - best drum tutor on the tube, thank you Rob Brown.
Love the shirt. Rest in peace Andy Fletcher.
Thanks Rob, this is the best explanation of single stroke control and development I have seen.
Other drummers' videos make me feel stupid for not understanding what they're doing.
Hi! I've yet to surpass the hurdle of having my weaker hand being as capable as my stronger hand. Was wondering if you have a video or any advice on how to strengthen my weaker hand? Thank you for this lesson but it was still somewhat difficult! Thanks for your enthusiasm and inspiration!
My Band director Mr. Ormsbee always said quality over quantity. There's a reason his bands almost always got blue medals at competitions. Probably the most influential teacher I ever had.
I gotta say I find american to be perfect after 3 years of working on different hand techniques. I find myself naturally being able to switch around the kit to different grips when I need to because I'm at that happy in between. If you are reading this, find what works for your hand!!
Rob I have been playing drums since 1989. In the few videos I have watched so far, you have changed the way I play. I am becoming a much better drummer because of you.thanks man.
nice one Rob this is a really useful lesson, looking forward to seeing the next one. where did you get that watch by the way?
I used to go to drum classes but I didn't have a kit back then. I recently had my own kit, and now I am coming across various issues I never thought about back then. But this guy has solutions to almost all of them. Thanks Rob for making my life way easier. You're such a practical guy. Keep it going.
Rob: 55 yr old former trumpet player ready to do my FIRST practice!!! This is big -what episode do I start with Bro??
Hi Rob. Talked to several drummers, and watched many videos about drumming. You're the first person I've truly connected with. Your explanation and examples are perfect for my way of thinking. Thank you for all you do. Keep up the great work!!!
Would love to see a side shot of this, you know, for us real newcomers to the drums - just to see how your pinky/ring is interacting. Don't get me wrong - this is an excellent lesson, & for free too. Thank you. Day 3 of my Drum Adventure and I am now subscribed.
Im a 66 year young white dude and i love this man !,i could watch him play all day and hes a great teacher like billy cobham masters at this way of teaching not boring thanks
How is 66 young, and cool
FOR BEGINNERS!......... you need to first watch the Vic Furth "Grip and Basic Strokes" video .......... because you need to know that Rob is using a Moeller stroke to do the accents!
Dam bro, you're pretty badass. I'm a screenwriter and was reading the script to Whiplash and came upon the single-stroke roll so had to look it up and whamo, found you. Thanks for the education:)
Your lessons are great Rob, you have a good balance as a teacher between raw information/explanation. Ive just realized how much i underestimated the singles ( i have a great paradiddle diddle, for example but my 32nd singles are crap!) 3 of you vids from singles to rolls can make a very useful routine. There is so much info out there, and self taught guys like me usually get themselves lost as far as how to practice, and how to organize practice time.
Cool to see another drummer bounce on the balls of your feet like me! Only I sweat bad and your posture's better. We agree on Stewart Copeland,too. And Walking on the Moon is one of my favorite all-time songs as well. Thanks!
Inverting the exercises still a problem for me..so I take the first two exercises slowly..I worked on it slowly...to build control from the beginning.
This showed me that I can't follow a tempo without accenting notes. The second pattern (accent on the e) is one of the most difficult things I had to do in a while. Also, counting out loud the 1-2-3-4 is so hard it's making me sweat!! I think I comment every one of your videos Rob, but honestly , I always feel I have to comment to make you know you do top tier quality teaching.
Love you, Rob!
You're the best! Most teacher's videos are promotional, blurry, full of omissions.
Watching your tutorials just like seat in front of real teacher. Best for beginners!
Thank you a lot for providing this for free!
God bless you!
It's one thing to have a lot of chops, but it is another thing to sound so grooving and musical like you do. Thanks Rob!
thanks Rob .. I started playing a few months ago, I'm 45 years old .. and your lessons make everything practical and stimulating
Man, this lesson was amazing: simple but very effective for developing the single stroke. Thanks for your patience and the good information. This is priceless.
Excellent vid, ty for providing high quality instruction, perfect context, and great lol embellishments...
I have been playing drums for quite some time and I have learned from many teachers, masterclasses, videos, seminars and so on. You are so good at teaching Rob ! Your lessons are simply awesome ! Thank you so much.
Rob, is it reasonable to start with 60 bpm?
The first exercise I perform at 90 bpm (which is something close to yours execution), but in the other exercises, I lose the accent and everything gets messed up.
I really struggle with my left hand and accents.
Start as slow as you need to. Find a tempo that you can do it consistently for a minute or two without screwing up. Even if it’s 47bpm. Your muscles need time to learn what to do to make it happen. Start there, then gradually increase the tempo as you get more comfortable. Repetition fixes everything👌🏾
ROB YOU TALK TO MUCH!
“Never underestimate the power of the pinky” Rob Beatdown Brown
Hello Rob. I wanna ask you something, how much important is for a drummer to have nice single stroke so he can play also doubles?
That t-shirt is some seriously fast fashion!
This is actually really good! You should check out Mario Duplantier!! His 2019 and 2022 drum solos speak for themselves. Hes a drummer for Gojira which uses jazz drumming techniques with super heavy sounding metal. It's awesome check them out. Try The Art of Dying by Gojira
Hi Rob. I'm 70 yo and have a lot of unlearning to do. Been playing drums since the 60s. Thanks for insights on single stroke roll Rob. I've got fairly good rudiment speed on some of the rudiments. Paradiddle speed 205 bpm, Paradiddle-diddle around 180-190+ on a good day but my single stroke speed AND control like you said has alway suffered. Hope to improve that with your insights you've shared. Thank you
Quite often in drum videos I see these squares of sound deadening material on the walls. Yet, instead of the entire wall being covered there are squares with spaces in between like in this video. Why is that?
Why can't I accent well with weak hand? Can't land it on 1. It's in my head/brain. It just isn't going together. I'm learning. Is this normal? Cheers
Think Tank yea man, that’s normal. Most of us have a strong and weak hand. The way you can work on it is by practice leading with your weak hand. Start slow and practice the rudiments just like you would normally, but with weak hand lead. Eventually you’ll get more evened out and both hands will feel comfortable.
I love your style of teaching .. always simple but never easy.Thank you.
I'm a guitar player. I would like to drum to make home recordings with my guitar and bass. I got my practice pad in the mail today and started looking around for basic lessons: how to grip, etc. This lesson on single stroke was very helpful. My right hand is definitely ahead of my left for steady beat and control but Rob's comment on muscle memory struck home. I'll keep working on this until it is comfortable and steady and I can control the accents. Thanks.
Any updates?
Hi Rob Beg/Int & Subscriber drummer here. Thx for lesson. where else cam I learn how to develop my fingers? WHERE did you get that metronome on your wrist???!! THATS AWESOME I need one of those. Thx again for your great lesson
OH MAN.... first I left a comment by your traditional grip video.... then I spotted this one. THIS is great! Once I hear a few rounds I can actually keep up! YEA! Oh thank you for these.
Everytime Everytime I see one of your videos it helps me get 💯🙏💯 better before the video ends thanks so much ❤️👍😎 for your help man 👊 please keep doing what you're 💯 doing 🙏 thanks
….the demonstration on the wrist and accent movement-excellent. For me, I play the lowersingles continually without interruption and found the muscles build up speed naturally..l..not trying to increase speed . before your muscles are developed….allow natural bounce…..thanks
Not only I like what you do but you love DM? I'll subscribe to you with all my channels then!
If you go American grip u can also switch to either grip and utilize all 3 if u want for different parts of a song =D
There are a couple of ways to do this. What I mean is, make it comfortable for yourself. Watch “Ian Pace Rudiments”. You will clearly see his fulcrum is his thumb & forefinger. His pinky is sticking out as if he’s having a spot of tea. Just have fun with it no matter how you do it.
Wow, i like your flow, rolls & siund of your snare. Very cool. Subscribed. 🥁😎
Hey Rob Brown, there's a drummer who can reach 340bpm on single stroke roll, his name is Riccardo Merlini, it's good to practice single stroke roll at 300bpm with match grip, traditional grip has been banned due to the fact it can hurt your fingers, so match grip is the best way to practice single stroke roll and it's good for higher speeds.
Just subscribed. Great stuff. Did you explain in a prior video why you switched to fulcrum with middle finger? Thanks
Yeah. Throw that crippled trad left hand grip right in the trash. It's where it belongs except if you have a slanted snare drum slung across your left leg like I did in 1965 high school marching band. It's a quite limited grip for anything else
Control is more important than speed. Take Tai Chi for example. The reason it is practiced slow is to perfect the movements. This becomes muscle memory. When you react the movement will be correct and effective. Drumming at a good personal tempo goes farther then running as fast as you can down hill only stumbling and falling. This frustration will cause you to do it wrong or give up. And after 90 days of going fast and doing it wrong you have wasted time. Thank you for your lessons.
Great. Another direct, simple, clear lesson. Thanks!
Hey, it's a cool exercise for me being a beginner although not sure how the grip should look like, it's mentioned somehow to switch balance from 2nd one to the middle one when you strike as far as I understand, but if I use pinky then, whole hand closes like a fist. I tried to to exercises from the video with the blanket on part of the snare. There again you use'German' grip for improving your wrist or 'French' one for fingers.
Is there any movie you can learn just one grip like the one in this video with details, to avoid bad habits?
@Ron Brown. I am coming from an electric guitar , bassbackground, intermediate level.
What is the path I need to take that will optimize my time to become a drummer?
If you want to see a stellar example of the single stroke roll here on utube type in Emanuelle Caplette snare solo,,, Using German grip with some finger control of course she executes the fastest cleanest singles I’ve ever seen- especially unusual as this speed is usually only obtained through the French grip, ( Timpani)-.
Ayo, Mr. Brown, just wanted to say how much I appreciate this channel! I’m a jazz guitarist of several years now, but have always had an interest in drums and started playing a bit in the past year and sat in for the drummer in my small jazz group.
Never played a rudiment in my life and had no clue about proper technique. I decided to remedy that and start getting serious about percussion. Happened upon this channel and firstly, I’ve learned SO MUCH in just the last week. Secondly, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen something like “I’ve been playing 20 years and you just fixed such and such problem for me!” Really gives me the confidence that I’m starting from basically ground zero getting all the right information!
I’ve got a practice pad and some sticks and I’m ready to start really molding my playing, keep up the good work!
Hey thanks a lot, man. Glad you’ve found the videos helpful 🙂👊🏽
Hey good evening I need your help I love the drums 🥁 so much, single strokes are killing me it like I can't play the drums I feel more comfortable with the German grip.
Best drums teacher, period. BTW I noticed a soundbrenner xD
Yo! So many videos that I don’t know if you’ve covered it, but if you hold the sticks with all your fingers touching them, how far into your palm do you tuck it? Is it more a looser grip at the tips of the fingers or tighter into the palm? Would be nice to see on video but maybe I missed it
Rob, thank you for what you do. These lessons have been super helpful in re developing my chops. You are a true professional.
I also feel that I am making progress with him
I clocked that shirt before you even mentioned it. One of my favorite bands. If not the favorite. It is a tossup between alice in chains and depeche mode. You have to be a certain age to have been exposed to depeche mode as they are not well know to the younger kids. Even though people have convered them they are stil not widely known. Especially in the US.
Mr. Brown, wow.! Your finesse is absolutely outstanding. Thank you.
Great lesson! Only problem I have is most of these lessons suggest nailing this at slower tempos means speed will come naturally and thats not happening for me. I’ve got nice tight and fluid rudiments but they fall apart when increasing tempo, I tense up and just can’t get the speed required. I assume its all in the fingers but Im yet to see someone go into detail on that. Would love to see something around this!
funny you got the depeche mode shirt on on your Simplifying the 'Blushda' w/ Beatdown Brown vid i was jaming out with you on bass and automaticaly sounded like i feal you by depeche mode at beginning of beat then it opened up to a blusey riff
Rob, you make the complex understandable
THIS CHANNEL IS A GAME CHANGER
Index or middle finger fulcrum? Tell me why. So many different opinions, makes it confusing!
I love it! Thank you very much! Very useful!
Anyone giving this dude a thumbs down is a hater and most likely jealous. Anyway, thank you for all that you do, bro. You are too legit, man.
Mr Rob, I'm back into drumming after 30+ years away from the kit. Love your lessons, best teacher BY far! Thanks & have an awsome day!!
wild bill I hear you. I took a 40 year hiatus and am trying to get my chops back. Rob your vids are the best ever man. Can't tell you how much you have helped keep 'em coming man.
GreaT LESSON. Definitely helps tapping the foot.
What if my pinky is kinda curved (Cause I broke it a few years ago) and it makes my sick go off target sometimes.