I'm Argentinian and I wanted to clarify that Oesterheld was not arrested, he was illegally detained and later forcibly disappeared. He did publish the comic book criticising the government it's called "El Eternauta" I'm really glad he's getting mentioned in this list
@@Daviticus042 Well, we're currently under the heel of an authoritarian regime which is hoping to use the results of the coming election as a pretext to consolidate their power (and using all manner of illegal means to rig the election in its favor). The people who are standing up to the regime are being derided as "a violent mob" -- is that what you were referring to...?
@@johnburt7935 I fail to see how burning stores, shooting people with Trump or Patriot Prayer paraphernalia, trying to burn down Federal Courthouses, and looting is 'standing up to the regime' but I suppose your mileage may vary. The term "useful idiot" comes to mind. After all, Che was hardly a hero, and places like Argentina often only get the choice between one violent authoritarian regime or the other, but you seem like one of those mouthbreathers who thinks team "Left" is always the goodguys and willing to do any dirty work for your shitty ideology.
@@toganium4175 what do you mean? His style caught on immensely, hence this comment lol It has majorly died down though, which I think is both good and bad. A nostalgic part of me kind of misses when comics were turned up to 11 every time heh
@@toganium4175 Liefeld is one of those guilty pleasure artists for me. I agree some of his art is downright terrible but I just love the way he draws most of the time
Liefield may not be one of the best artist. but his style did inspired a whole new generation of artists, back when he started at DC, people actually used to like his style a lot because of how refreshing it was looking out of all the 80s art style. and in 90s his popularity got sky rocketed. he, mcfarlane and jim lee formed Image. which was a groundbreaking company in the industry, it gave every writer and artist creative freedom to make whatever the hell they want... sometimes I think Liefield don't get enough credit for the stuff he did
You know I went to a. Comic convention and he was drawing a character of your choice (I got Cannonball, prob should have asked for Wolverine) and he answered our questions (kept it vague but he did talk about Sunspot leaving the New Mutants), and I thought he was a super nice guy who could have easily charged for the drawings, so for that I will hold him up a wee bit more than maybe he should...
I'm actually astonished that they acknowledged a latinoamerican/sudamerican comic, since they seems to have little or none recognition whatsoever outside their own countries, even when countries like chile and argentina have huge amount of production of comics.
Same goes for American history. Which is why Actor John Leguizamo wrote the one man show "Latin History for Morons." ruclips.net/video/23Q2-1AYJCs/видео.html
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a story i read in a book called "the history of Marvel comic": Stan Lee was thinking of quitting, partly because he was fed up with the rules and conventions. so his wife suggested, "why don't you just forget the rules and write a comic book the way YOU think it should be written?" and THAT was when Stan Lee, himself, invented the Fantastic four. they not only had no secret identities, but The Invisible Girl was, if i remember correctly, the FIRST FEMALE superhero in ANY Marvel title!
It's pretty clear from interviews that Jack Kirby created the Fantastic Four with Stan Lee mostly serving as an editor who gave himself too much credit.
@@wtk6069 When I look at what Jack Kirby did on his own or with other writers than Stan Lee and Joe Simon, it's obvious to me that he needed just the right partner to do his best work. Joe was one. Stan was the other.
@@treytucker9948 Yes, but the Comics Code did a LOT of damage over the first few decades it was in charge. Killing off EC Comics alone would be enough to indict it.
@@julianhermanubis6800 true they did do some fucked up shit. altho without them we wouldn't have had things like vertigo comics, along with the other second like sister companies of the big ones.
What you didn't talk about was the fact that the CCA was SPECIFICALLY created to put EC out of business. EC didn't break the rules, the rules where made with EC in mind.
The rules are more reasonable than ever, like weed, there was a massive load of propaganda against comics in the 40’s and 50’s leading to the Comics Code Authority, which saw comics massively censored as to what could be published. Finally at a time when you can do just about anything you can think of, especially in the indies. Even DC has had nudity is some of their recent mature reader books. Big 2 still don’t openly cuss though, which is fucking weird considering the graphic violence that can often be found.
While I'm glad to see the Green Lantern/Green Arrow story included,didn't Marvel illustrate the dangers of drug addiction in a Spiderman story several months before?
Indeed, and they mentioned it. "The Green Goblin Reborn". It was another issue of Norman Osborn regaining his memory of being the Green Goblin (back when every fight ended with an amnesiac relapse). Rather than fight him, Spider-Man tells Goblin he has something to show him. That something is Harry suffering from an overdose. Spider-Man was about to get him help (I believe they were roommates at the time) when Goblin came crashing in. The shock of it causes Norman to breakdown, forgetting everything again and getting help for his poor boy (this was back when Norman actually had some decent qualities). Stan Lee was so taken with this story idea that he said that if the comic book code wouldn't accept it, they would publish it without the seal and damn the consequences.
Those EC horror comics are still classics and highly readable to this day, which is why they continue being reprinted in deluxe editions. They were incredibly shocking, innovative and transgressive for the 1950s, with a real "who's who" of comic book and graphic artists, including Frank Frazetta, Wally Wood, Jack Davis and, possibly the greatest horror comic artist of all time, Graham Ingels (although he has some major competition from a few Japanese artists later, including Junji Ito). Stephen King cites Ingels as one of the major influences of his boyhood, and Ingels also obvious highly influenced another all-time great horror comic artist stylistically, Bernie Wrightson, who co-created Swamp Thing.
Ah, Graham Ingels. If memory serves, he drew the best corpses. So much so that he disgusted himself and eventually turned away fro EC. His corpses were always *wet.* Their flesh oozed from rot. Disturbing stuff and very effective.
@@Bluesit32 Ingels's shambling, reanimated corpses were the best absolutely. He never was completely comfortable with drawing horror comics, but he left because, after the Comics Code hit, he really had trouble getting work. He tried doing art instruction for a while, but that wasn't entirely successful. One day in the late 1950s, he left his family and ran away from New York City to Florida, where he began an entirely new career that was actually a success, as an art teacher. He lived there the rest of his life and actively avoided the public eye and anything to do with EC Comics. Well, that is, until the last year or two of his life. He was offered large sums of money to do paintings of the Old Witch from his EC Days, and he accepted finally. He was pleased by the cash, and he seemed to be poised to do more, but then he died suddenly. I can't say he had a sad life in Florida--he was successful and well respected there and picked up a devoted long-term girlfriend--but his life was sad in terms of his being forced to give up art in an area where he had great talent and was well known.
The problem with Snowbirds Don't Fly is they really didn't do a good job seguing into depicting Roy's drug abuse. It was a case, here are several drug addicts, and, oh, by the way, your ward is a junkie. We really don't see what led to his abuse, and Ollie didn't seem to treat him that poorly -- unless Roy felt abandoned from the moment Ollie went off with Hal. Whereas, although Marvel didn't say WHAT drug Harry Osborn was addicted to, we know what led him to it: his home life was terrible and his father treated him as a stupid idiot and unfit of the Osborn name.
that comic run was important though because it talked a lot about real-world problems that DC tended to steer away from. For a long time, DC was sorta the clean alternative to marvel comics like that changed that paradigm.
Sometimes, just drugs lead to the abuse, not always the cause of neglect. It showed how well certain abusers could hide their addiction, as Ollie had no idea.
The Fantastic Four changed everything at Marvel comics and now that Marvel Studios can use them I can't wait to see them adapted into live action the right way.
100% I can’t wait to see what they do with the first family. I am excited to see them do something revolutionary with this new live action iteration of the F4 , and put their first family back at the vanguard of pushing boundaries, where they belong. I have faith in MCU, they’ll deliver
That fantastic 4 cover was definitely not an accident & has a really interesting story behind it, as they were trying to sneak that they were doing a superhero team book.
How did The Goon comics not make the list? The ones I've read had two whole pages in the middle telling the reader to ask stores to carry the comic because most places wouldn't carry them because they were too offensive.
One really sad part of "Snowbirds Don't Fly" is how Green Arrow is his sidekick's father figure yet when he discovers that Speedy is a junkie, his response is to kick him out of their house (afterwards rationalising to himself that Speedy's drug addiction can't be blamed on how Green Arrow treated him). Fellow superhero Black Canary is the one to help Speedy go clean and at the end of the story Speedy calls out his mentor (and society as a whole) for focussing on the results of the problem (drug addicts committing crimes) rather than the cause (drugs and those who supply them).
Can you talk about fetishism in superhero comics? A lot of the creators of certain heroes, were also publishing their other drawings in the first fetish and bondage magazines. The connection runs deep
I'm a former heroin addict, even after overcoming opioids I am currently dealing with alcoholism. i blacked out twice today on whisky and I'm about to black out again during this video, even normal people were willing to risk death during the 1930s depression just to escape their miserable lives. alcohol isn't about addiction, it's about not being able to cope with reality. i HATE being sober, so do most people with problems they won't or can't resolve.
You’re missing Miracle Man #15 by Alan Moore and John Totleben. The comic was one of the darkest, most violent and disturbing issues ever in print to that point, part of Moore’s deconstruction of superhero archetypes and in the case of this issue, the “battle.” Miracle Man’s former sidekick turned psychotic super-powered mass murderer has left 1980’s London in flames and ruins. The imagery within the comic is gruesome (impaled and stacked corpses, human skins hanging from clotheslines, severed hands and feet raining from the sky...) Ultimately, the hero is forced to murder his former sidekick to end the carnage. The comic poses an almost cautionary tale of how we glorify the battles between super beings when the reality would likely be a hellscape. Comics (and shows) like The Boys and Invincible owe a debt to Miracle Man #15 as does Zack Snyder’s DCU films (especially Man of Steel).
I honestly liked Northstar better when he came out. Before that, I just thought his only role in Alpha Flight was to be a jackass. At least that added something to his character and made him more sympathetic. Kind of what X-Factor #87 did for Quicksilver when it showed that to him, it appears that everything is in slow motion. I have to agree that that would rub you the wrong way. Like the person that stands in front of the friggin' ice cream cooler at Wal-Mart and looks for four hours! How long does it take to pick a flavor? Just get the danged Peanut Butter Cup ice cream if nothing else is singing. It's not rocket science!
I was arrested for putting together an art show around the graphic novel anthology I was a part of called APB: Artists against Police Brutality. I didn't break any rules except criticize pigs.
It’s because back in the 50’s and 60’s there was the misconception that comics were ONLY for kids and they thought that they were “corrupting the youth”, very much like the controversy that video games faced in the 90’s and early 2000’s
10 times the Jedi were told what was going to happen to them
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reminds me of a strange old book i read once: part of a series told from the viewpoint of Young Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon (before the phantom menace), they and two other jedi visit an obscure world, and the natives try to BRAINWASH Obi-Wan and the other jedi student! ANS they were teaching their kids all sort s of fake stories about how terrible EVERY other world in the galaxy was... in the end, Obi-wan and Qui-Gon asked them WHY they were doing this, and one of them said she had a vision: "if ANY child from this planet becomes a Jedi, men in white armor will kill everyone on this planet."
I grew up with the Belgian comic series "De Rode Ridder" ("The Red Knight"). Looking back at those old issues it just baffling how much violence, gore, horror, and (yes!) nudity constantly leaping at me from those pages. Also, its issues featuring "Karpax" were, as far as I know, the first of their kind, where a medieval knight teams up with an indestructible robot to get into his flying saucer to go rescue some damsel in distress on a faraway planet full of blue-skinned human-looking jungle primitives...
Dave Sim's Cerebus broke a lot of rules, foremost it was the first comic character to grow older as the series went on and then (spoiler alert) actually dies in the final issue.
Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run was a thing of legend. If I recall correctly, Abby's husband was possessed by her uncle after a car crash or something. Anton was in the form of a disgusting, bloated fly and offered to save him. He sort of kept his word...crawling into his mouth...and I think infecting a hole in his gums or something. It was disgusting.
i seem to remember a book, where they said that a new writer had "broken all the rules" in his first story... i may be confusing it with another comic, but i think it was the introduction of "beta ray bill", the alien who picked up Thor's Hammer...
Oesterheld was not killed for writing any comic in particular, but for being in charge of the Montoneros propaganda. In fact, he wrote works much more rebellious than La Vida Del Che (Camote, Latin America 450 Years Of War, The War Of The Antartes, El Eternauta 1.5 and 2, during the publication of the later he was kidnapped and disappeared), and they all flew under the radar of the dictatorship. The possibility that a comic could have some political relevance simply did not enter the minds of the military, what really bothered them was not so much the works of Oesterheld, but his militancy, his association with guerrillas whom they did consider dangerous.
Sorry what culture comics,but I don’t see you doing indie comics so I don’t think this effect you because you are the really good when it comes to marvel and dc. But if anyone is reading this, there is a channel called comic breakdown and has a Lego head as his profile pic. He is doing indie comics and deserves a bigger audience. Give him a look.
Marvel has a terrible habit of creating lgbt characters just for their coming out story, and then just kind of dropping it. Like, bobby drake never got a boyfriend. Just a very publicized coming out story. Northstar didn't get a romantic sideplot for 20 years. I think that's why teddy altman and Billy Kaplan are such fan favorites. They have a fleshed out relationship, are openly out, and that isn't their defining feature.
Crossed is the most extreme comic I have read... Heck many things Garth has done has found the line for him to step over and over and yet I do enjoy his work as it’s a comic book story and not real
9:35 - Well, that's fascism for you. I don't know what's more depressing, what happened to that writer or the fact that nowadays people banalized this word to the point of irrelevance.
That was some good EC comic horror right there. If I recall correctly, the story involves a man stumbling from his car after a wreck. Everyone he goes, people flee from the sight of him. Finally he finds mirror and it all becomes clear
Oh yeah, i remember those made for adults counter culture comics filled with sexual innuendo/gore/scat etc. I feel like every european country have had one in the past. Atleast nordic countries.
Hello whatculture I would like to ask if it is possible, you guys to allow us to translate your video content to Persian and use them in our own youtube channel particularly your comic videos. I simply enjoy watching your videos but not everyone in Iran can understand English. As you may know (or not know, IDK), Iran is boycotted by America and the rest of the world, so we can not monetize from youtube and earn anything and can't own a PayPal to work as a decent Contributor. So we basically would do this work done (translating your videos) for the sake of Iranian comic book lovers and for the sake of my own personal love for comics. I'll keep your name on the videos and mention my source (you guys) in every video. I would be glad to hear from you even if not allowing me to do so.
8 comics that broke all the rules yet the comic "the crossed" broke not just the rules of these 8 comics but every othere rule in a single issue , just check audio book in youtube of the crossed comic it's evil.
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I'm Argentinian and I wanted to clarify that Oesterheld was not arrested, he was illegally detained and later forcibly disappeared. He did publish the comic book criticising the government it's called "El Eternauta"
I'm really glad he's getting mentioned in this list
A timely reminder of how much can be lost when a country falls to an authoritarian regime.
@@johnburt7935 Or the mob.
@@Daviticus042 Well, we're currently under the heel of an authoritarian regime which is hoping to use the results of the coming election as a pretext to consolidate their power (and using all manner of illegal means to rig the election in its favor).
The people who are standing up to the regime are being derided as "a violent mob" -- is that what you were referring to...?
@@johnburt7935 I fail to see how burning stores, shooting people with Trump or Patriot Prayer paraphernalia, trying to burn down Federal Courthouses, and looting is 'standing up to the regime' but I suppose your mileage may vary. The term "useful idiot" comes to mind. After all, Che was hardly a hero, and places like Argentina often only get the choice between one violent authoritarian regime or the other, but you seem like one of those mouthbreathers who thinks team "Left" is always the goodguys and willing to do any dirty work for your shitty ideology.
@@remo27 The term "useful idiot" comes to your mind, but you seem unable to apply it properly.
It seems like every 1990's comic book was illustrated by Rob Liefield.
Yeah, he’s an awful artist. I’m glad that his art style never caught on.
@@toganium4175 what do you mean? His style caught on immensely, hence this comment lol It has majorly died down though, which I think is both good and bad. A nostalgic part of me kind of misses when comics were turned up to 11 every time heh
@@toganium4175 Liefeld is one of those guilty pleasure artists for me. I agree some of his art is downright terrible but I just love the way he draws most of the time
Liefield may not be one of the best artist. but his style did inspired a whole new generation of artists, back when he started at DC, people actually used to like his style a lot because of how refreshing it was looking out of all the 80s art style. and in 90s his popularity got sky rocketed. he, mcfarlane and jim lee formed Image. which was a groundbreaking company in the industry, it gave every writer and artist creative freedom to make whatever the hell they want... sometimes I think Liefield don't get enough credit for the stuff he did
You know I went to a. Comic convention and he was drawing a character of your choice (I got Cannonball, prob should have asked for Wolverine) and he answered our questions (kept it vague but he did talk about Sunspot leaving the New Mutants), and I thought he was a super nice guy who could have easily charged for the drawings, so for that I will hold him up a wee bit more than maybe he should...
I'm actually astonished that they acknowledged a latinoamerican/sudamerican comic, since they seems to have little or none recognition whatsoever outside their own countries, even when countries like chile and argentina have huge amount of production of comics.
Same goes for American history. Which is why Actor John Leguizamo wrote the one man show "Latin History for Morons." ruclips.net/video/23Q2-1AYJCs/видео.html
a story i read in a book called "the history of Marvel comic": Stan Lee was thinking of quitting, partly because he was fed up with the rules and conventions. so his wife suggested, "why don't you just forget the rules and write a comic book the way YOU think it should be written?"
and THAT was when Stan Lee, himself, invented the Fantastic four.
they not only had no secret identities, but The Invisible Girl was, if i remember correctly, the FIRST FEMALE superhero in ANY Marvel title!
It's pretty clear from interviews that Jack Kirby created the Fantastic Four with Stan Lee mostly serving as an editor who gave himself too much credit.
@@wtk6069 When I look at what Jack Kirby did on his own or with other writers than Stan Lee and Joe Simon, it's obvious to me that he needed just the right partner to do his best work. Joe was one. Stan was the other.
fun fact the CCA or The Comics Code Authority is now dead as of January in 2011.
And nothing of value was lost.
@@julianhermanubis6800 well yeah, before that only two comic series where using them.
@@treytucker9948 Yes, but the Comics Code did a LOT of damage over the first few decades it was in charge. Killing off EC Comics alone would be enough to indict it.
@@julianhermanubis6800 true they did do some fucked up shit. altho without them we wouldn't have had things like vertigo comics, along with the other second like sister companies of the big ones.
CCA: *dies*
DC: Guess I'll New 52
What you didn't talk about was the fact that the CCA was SPECIFICALLY created to put EC out of business. EC didn't break the rules, the rules where made with EC in mind.
Ya, they couldn't have a cover say Horror, Terror or Weird a straight up attack on the titles of their main comics.
I thought they were made with batman in mind.
Robert Crumb: Legend.
Agreed bro.
I know WhatCulture is controversial among their viewers but they do put out mostly good content.
Let's just appreciate their work, shall we?
I never understood why so much hate and controversy with them?
@@Jason619x Exactly! They're just trying to make a living.
Damn I love it when you talk about comics other than DC and Marvel.
There are rules in comics now? They’re putting rules on everything!
It used to be much much worse
The guy who wrote The Seduction of the Innocent would have a massive coronary if he read modern comics.
The rules are more reasonable than ever, like weed, there was a massive load of propaganda against comics in the 40’s and 50’s leading to the Comics Code Authority, which saw comics massively censored as to what could be published. Finally at a time when you can do just about anything you can think of, especially in the indies. Even DC has had nudity is some of their recent mature reader books. Big 2 still don’t openly cuss though, which is fucking weird considering the graphic violence that can often be found.
While I'm glad to see the Green Lantern/Green Arrow story included,didn't Marvel illustrate the dangers of drug addiction in a Spiderman story several months before?
Indeed, and they mentioned it. "The Green Goblin Reborn". It was another issue of Norman Osborn regaining his memory of being the Green Goblin (back when every fight ended with an amnesiac relapse). Rather than fight him, Spider-Man tells Goblin he has something to show him. That something is Harry suffering from an overdose. Spider-Man was about to get him help (I believe they were roommates at the time) when Goblin came crashing in. The shock of it causes Norman to breakdown, forgetting everything again and getting help for his poor boy (this was back when Norman actually had some decent qualities). Stan Lee was so taken with this story idea that he said that if the comic book code wouldn't accept it, they would publish it without the seal and damn the consequences.
I'm Argentinian and I'm impressed and happy you include la vida del Che in this list. IT'S AMAZING OF YOU.
Those EC horror comics are still classics and highly readable to this day, which is why they continue being reprinted in deluxe editions. They were incredibly shocking, innovative and transgressive for the 1950s, with a real "who's who" of comic book and graphic artists, including Frank Frazetta, Wally Wood, Jack Davis and, possibly the greatest horror comic artist of all time, Graham Ingels (although he has some major competition from a few Japanese artists later, including Junji Ito). Stephen King cites Ingels as one of the major influences of his boyhood, and Ingels also obvious highly influenced another all-time great horror comic artist stylistically, Bernie Wrightson, who co-created Swamp Thing.
Ah, Graham Ingels. If memory serves, he drew the best corpses. So much so that he disgusted himself and eventually turned away fro EC. His corpses were always *wet.* Their flesh oozed from rot. Disturbing stuff and very effective.
@@Bluesit32 Ingels's shambling, reanimated corpses were the best absolutely. He never was completely comfortable with drawing horror comics, but he left because, after the Comics Code hit, he really had trouble getting work. He tried doing art instruction for a while, but that wasn't entirely successful. One day in the late 1950s, he left his family and ran away from New York City to Florida, where he began an entirely new career that was actually a success, as an art teacher. He lived there the rest of his life and actively avoided the public eye and anything to do with EC Comics. Well, that is, until the last year or two of his life. He was offered large sums of money to do paintings of the Old Witch from his EC Days, and he accepted finally. He was pleased by the cash, and he seemed to be poised to do more, but then he died suddenly. I can't say he had a sad life in Florida--he was successful and well respected there and picked up a devoted long-term girlfriend--but his life was sad in terms of his being forced to give up art in an area where he had great talent and was well known.
Joker: the only senseable way to live in this world is without rules!
Thanks the goddamn Batman.
videos like this are a definite asset and joy to anyone who respects the medium of comics and values its history. Great work guys
The problem with Snowbirds Don't Fly is they really didn't do a good job seguing into depicting Roy's drug abuse. It was a case, here are several drug addicts, and, oh, by the way, your ward is a junkie. We really don't see what led to his abuse, and Ollie didn't seem to treat him that poorly -- unless Roy felt abandoned from the moment Ollie went off with Hal.
Whereas, although Marvel didn't say WHAT drug Harry Osborn was addicted to, we know what led him to it: his home life was terrible and his father treated him as a stupid idiot and unfit of the Osborn name.
that comic run was important though because it talked a lot about real-world problems that DC tended to steer away from. For a long time, DC was sorta the clean alternative to marvel comics like that changed that paradigm.
Sometimes, just drugs lead to the abuse, not always the cause of neglect. It showed how well certain abusers could hide their addiction, as Ollie had no idea.
The Fantastic Four changed everything at Marvel comics and now that Marvel Studios can use them I can't wait to see them adapted into live action the right way.
100% I can’t wait to see what they do with the first family. I am excited to see them do something revolutionary with this new live action iteration of the F4 , and put their first family back at the vanguard of pushing boundaries, where they belong.
I have faith in MCU, they’ll deliver
Agreed! They are so badass done right.
I.e. Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes
That fantastic 4 cover was definitely not an accident & has a really interesting story behind it, as they were trying to sneak that they were doing a superhero team book.
Green Goblin Reborn, a storyline you literally mentioned a moment earlier, was published without the CCA seal a decade before Swamp Thing.
How did The Goon comics not make the list? The ones I've read had two whole pages in the middle telling the reader to ask stores to carry the comic because most places wouldn't carry them because they were too offensive.
One really sad part of "Snowbirds Don't Fly" is how Green Arrow is his sidekick's father figure yet when he discovers that Speedy is a junkie, his response is to kick him out of their house (afterwards rationalising to himself that Speedy's drug addiction can't be blamed on how Green Arrow treated him). Fellow superhero Black Canary is the one to help Speedy go clean and at the end of the story Speedy calls out his mentor (and society as a whole) for focussing on the results of the problem (drug addicts committing crimes) rather than the cause (drugs and those who supply them).
Maybe you didn’t mention the crossed comic series because it’s waaay to gory but that one should definitely be checked out for shock value alone.
I stumbled upon that 3 years ago and only after a few pages I needed a hug
7:28 Thank You WhatCulture Comics for introducing me to horror comics of EC.
Can you talk about fetishism in superhero comics? A lot of the creators of certain heroes, were also publishing their other drawings in the first fetish and bondage magazines. The connection runs deep
Jules always gets ya with the feels at the end man
Oof, that Alpha Flight artwork...
This may be the best video whatculture has done. That number 1 was moving
I'm a former heroin addict, even after overcoming opioids I am currently dealing with alcoholism. i blacked out twice today on whisky and I'm about to black out again during this video, even normal people were willing to risk death during the 1930s depression just to escape their miserable lives. alcohol isn't about addiction, it's about not being able to cope with reality. i HATE being sober, so do most people with problems they won't or can't resolve.
I was hoping to see Mike Diana in this list, but i'm happy that you mentioned oesterheld
You’re missing Miracle Man #15 by Alan Moore and John Totleben. The comic was one of the darkest, most violent and disturbing issues ever in print to that point, part of Moore’s deconstruction of superhero archetypes and in the case of this issue, the “battle.” Miracle Man’s former sidekick turned psychotic super-powered mass murderer has left 1980’s London in flames and ruins. The imagery within the comic is gruesome (impaled and stacked corpses, human skins hanging from clotheslines, severed hands and feet raining from the sky...) Ultimately, the hero is forced to murder his former sidekick to end the carnage. The comic poses an almost cautionary tale of how we glorify the battles between super beings when the reality would likely be a hellscape. Comics (and shows) like The Boys and Invincible owe a debt to Miracle Man #15 as does Zack Snyder’s DCU films (especially Man of Steel).
Underground comics were like, the peak of culture lol
I honestly liked Northstar better when he came out. Before that, I just thought his only role in Alpha Flight was to be a jackass. At least that added something to his character and made him more sympathetic. Kind of what X-Factor #87 did for Quicksilver when it showed that to him, it appears that everything is in slow motion. I have to agree that that would rub you the wrong way. Like the person that stands in front of the friggin' ice cream cooler at Wal-Mart and looks for four hours! How long does it take to pick a flavor? Just get the danged Peanut Butter Cup ice cream if nothing else is singing. It's not rocket science!
I believe Quicksilver described it as being the last guy in line at an ATM during winter or something.
I was arrested for putting together an art show around the graphic novel anthology I was a part of called APB: Artists against Police Brutality. I didn't break any rules except criticize pigs.
What about Howard the duck? That was so great, and broke so many rules?
Excellent list today folks- keep it up.
Ennis broke a lot of ethical rules with Crossed 🤣🤣
I am sure he is going to hell for Preacher too (sweet heavy metal and Garth Ennis stuff, sign me up)
Demon in a bottle. I, as an addict, laugh. Saying drugs and alcohol is like saying Skittles and Candy. It’s all the same.
The Comics Code prevents publishers to place "Offensive" words and pictures yet other media like television and novels were free to do those.
It’s because back in the 50’s and 60’s there was the misconception that comics were ONLY for kids and they thought that they were “corrupting the youth”, very much like the controversy that video games faced in the 90’s and early 2000’s
I'm just glad the video isn't all DC/Marvel books.
Broken rule...He didnt yell when he said OF ALL TIME!!!
It wasn't all just DC and Marvel comics. Kudos.
10 times the Jedi were told what was going to happen to them
reminds me of a strange old book i read once:
part of a series told from the viewpoint of Young Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon (before the phantom menace), they and two other jedi visit an obscure world, and the natives try to BRAINWASH Obi-Wan and the other jedi student!
ANS they were teaching their kids all sort s of fake stories about how terrible EVERY other world in the galaxy was...
in the end, Obi-wan and Qui-Gon asked them WHY they were doing this, and one of them said she had a vision:
"if ANY child from this planet becomes a Jedi, men in white armor will kill everyone on this planet."
The Legion of Super-Heroes did a drug addiction story three befor the Speedy story.
“Comics have rules now ?”...
art has rules according to the internet.
Oh my God! Did you just call me a wonky little demon!? Fair enough, I guess.
I grew up with the Belgian comic series "De Rode Ridder" ("The Red Knight").
Looking back at those old issues it just baffling how much violence, gore, horror, and (yes!) nudity constantly leaping at me from those pages.
Also, its issues featuring "Karpax" were, as far as I know, the first of their kind, where a medieval knight teams up with an indestructible robot to get into his flying saucer to go rescue some damsel in distress on a faraway planet full of blue-skinned human-looking jungle primitives...
Dave Sim's Cerebus broke a lot of rules, foremost it was the first comic character to grow older as the series went on and then (spoiler alert) actually dies in the final issue.
JUST SAY UNCLE XDD
Shocked with this one.
Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run was a thing of legend. If I recall correctly, Abby's husband was possessed by her uncle after a car crash or something. Anton was in the form of a disgusting, bloated fly and offered to save him. He sort of kept his word...crawling into his mouth...and I think infecting a hole in his gums or something. It was disgusting.
Please for the love of all that is holy, can someone please please post a link to where I can buy or read la “Vida Del Che”
Video-game Injection you might find it there👍🏼
Northstar's coming out made me feel validated.
i seem to remember a book, where they said that a new writer had "broken all the rules" in his first story...
i may be confusing it with another comic, but i think it was the introduction of "beta ray bill", the alien who picked up Thor's Hammer...
Great video, but in the last one la vida del che, you guys kept showing the images of Fidel Castro and not Che not sure if it was intentional or not
Oesterheld was not killed for writing any comic in particular, but for being in charge of the Montoneros propaganda. In fact, he wrote works much more rebellious than La Vida Del Che (Camote, Latin America 450 Years Of War, The War Of The Antartes, El Eternauta 1.5 and 2, during the publication of the later he was kidnapped and disappeared), and they all flew under the radar of the dictatorship. The possibility that a comic could have some political relevance simply did not enter the minds of the military, what really bothered them was not so much the works of Oesterheld, but his militancy, his association with guerrillas whom they did consider dangerous.
No views with 8 likes.
*Wait, that's illegal.*
Who knew that one of the first comic book that included a gay character had "Alpha" in the title.
Robert Crumb's art seems ridiculous at first. But upon closer inspection it's genius
I feel a weird lovely Community but I feel we're all dying everyone write F in the chat
F in the chat
How is there already a dislike
4:12 That was how Ellen came out!! Like it was a big secret!💯
Sorry what culture comics,but I don’t see you doing indie comics so I don’t think this effect you because you are the really good when it comes to marvel and dc. But if anyone is reading this, there is a channel called comic breakdown and has a Lego head as his profile pic. He is doing indie comics and deserves a bigger audience. Give him a look.
"jack powers whiskey" Irish bourbon?
And northstars sister is bi i think, she has multiple personalitys, so gay straight pan, we dont know
Heart of Darkness- featuring( at the time) 3 of Marvels greatest Antiheroes who kill if needed fighting Blackheart!
Marvel has a terrible habit of creating lgbt characters just for their coming out story, and then just kind of dropping it. Like, bobby drake never got a boyfriend. Just a very publicized coming out story. Northstar didn't get a romantic sideplot for 20 years. I think that's why teddy altman and Billy Kaplan are such fan favorites. They have a fleshed out relationship, are openly out, and that isn't their defining feature.
Most likely cause they wanted the fan base and know that shit doesn't actually matter in the real world
Robert Crumb and Alan Moore: Legends.
You didn't have Howard Chaykin's Black Kiss on here?
This was a great episode
Crossed is the most extreme comic I have read... Heck many things Garth has done has found the line for him to step over and over and yet I do enjoy his work as it’s a comic book story and not real
Why is watchmen not on the list
"Knock, Knock" Dwayne Mcduffie, anyone?
are there any more rules left to break? because I want to be the one to obliterate them!
Get Marvel and DC to start openly cussing in their mainline, they still don’t *%!#+?^~ do it.
Iron man Iron man drinking alcohol as fast he can.🥴🥃
You cannot censor me.
7:28 Yes! I was hoping my baby was this
9:35 - Well, that's fascism for you. I don't know what's more depressing, what happened to that writer or the fact that nowadays people banalized this word to the point of irrelevance.
Ain't gonna lie.. I came here because of the thumbnail.
That was some good EC comic horror right there. If I recall correctly, the story involves a man stumbling from his car after a wreck. Everyone he goes, people flee from the sight of him. Finally he finds mirror and it all becomes clear
There is a very good documentary about Robert Crumb, called Crumb, worth a look if you are interested in his work from this video...
What about avatar press?
I want to see Junji Ito's series mentioned here
Where is the one per list? 🤷🏽♂️
Wow. Denied a comic because a black man was the main character smh. S/O to EC Comics.
Rules were made to be broken.
Northstars coming out is amazing, he is a mutant, french Canadian and gay, hes so lucky hes white
I always knew northstar would be persecuted but was never sure for which, then he married a black dude, just let him be guys
Let's just completely ignore the baby born with aids part and be tolerant of his choices 🤣 typical sheep 🐑
EC comics are the best
Oh yeah, i remember those made for adults counter culture comics filled with sexual innuendo/gore/scat etc. I feel like every european country have had one in the past. Atleast nordic countries.
Weirdest for me is 60's iceman being gay, in the time displaced x-men, it doesnt make sense against his 70 year back story
literally just planted there to make society slowly accept it 😂
That last one is pretty f'd up
Hello whatculture
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Yay. An obssessive, sexist, racist guy with strange sexual fantasies broke all the rules. I say this with the greatest love and respect for his work.
8 comics that broke all the rules yet the comic "the crossed" broke not just the rules of these 8 comics but every othere rule in a single issue , just check audio book in youtube of the crossed comic it's evil.
Yet Comics Code didnt improve of Harry's drug abuse and it was fine for Roy Harper to use herion
Crossed.... nuff said....
Nowadays breaking the rules in comics is being conservative or republican, being Christian or pro-life.
Lmao
😂😂😂 Awww, you crying?
There’s numerous conservative and Christian writers, you’re talking nonsense.
Awww you feel prosecuted by the invisible and non existent enemies?
@@aggressive994 *persecuted 🙂
Great list jules but again no 1 per list..
Saga comics anyone?
3:07 - Ugh. I thought WhatCuckture respected trigger warnings. Where was the warning for that? Threw up in my mouth a little.
How did that disgust you
@@turtle4283 Forced to see the twisted and vomit-inducing results of Jean Gray's psychic manipulation of Bobby's mind.
I guess you never read any of the crossed comics.
No Cherry Poptart?
“Enter the Fantastic Four”? Can I just enter Sue Storm? Either cinematic one would be fine.
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