Forged in Battle! Exploring the Brutal Elegance of American WW1 Trench Knives
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- Опубликовано: 23 янв 2024
- Knuckle knives! Some of the most terrifying knives ever created. These trench knives were some of the most feared weapons in the trenches of World War 1. Trench knives were the weapon of choice for the trench raider and his intended victim. Able to cut, thrust, and punch, knuckle knives earned a terrifying reputation that has endured past World War 1. In fact, many of these knives would be called upon again at the outbreak of World War 2. Today on the Knife Life we are exploring the origins and history of the M1917 and M1918 Mark 1 trench knives!
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My uncle, Harry Lloyd, fought in WW1. He died when I was in 2nd grade (a long time ago) but he was the best, most honest, decent man I have ever met. I was an adopted child in 1959, the product of a failed marrige. I was considered a embarassement. I grew up into a decent man because of his example. He treated me with kindness and compassion. He was the only one who did. God rest his soul and bless him. I will never forget him. He was a true hero.
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The old saying is that any man can be a father but it takes someone special to be a daddy. It seems he was your daddy.
You and he were blessed to have each other. Any man who claims to have developed into a decent human being because of a family member or mentor's example and love must truly be a decent man. No one else can claim such a thing.
Thank you for sharing! Very cool! We are all endebted to these great men who came before us.
Im proud to be a uncle like that never served but i took my nepgew 17 in when his life went to hell in his year and a half here he has turned around in school in mindset maturity work ethic polite and well versed in history and becoming a mechanic. Everyone thought he was gonna fail but he passed his peers and siblings who have a better run i didnt provide anything financial beyond the basics i couldnt but i did provide structure and love. I know your uncle was proud the way you speak of him shows youve become who he wanted you to be
The '18...especially if I was in the Pacific....in desperate hand-to-hand combat, this knife gives you plenty of options against an opponent...
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The Australians used knuckle duster knives in WW2 in the Jungle theatre.
.. it went on into Korea ...as a 🇬🇧 ex parra described them his favourites to work with ... they took bar room fighting tactics..nicked all the Americans gear and transferred it to the jungle. 😂 His other chosen few were the Gurkhas... he stopped laughing then... he just said you dont mess.... 😬
Interesting design of Australian-made US WW2 Large V44 Brass Knucks Ranger Knife.
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 I doubt that the gurkhas had knuckle duster knives
usually gurkhas have only the karda and shak mak knife additionally, which are pretty similiar to the finnish puukko knives
I have an LF&C 1918 with matching scabbard. I love it!
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Me too! The top guard on mine is not round like that, though. It's slim. Still same model stamp though.
A mistake. German forces had at first no special knife for trench warfare. Most german trench knifes had been similar to bayonnets, clearly visible. A smaller part was based on a german hunting knife called ,Nicker', which was in southern Germany also a common EDC knife. Even in 1980s some older men carried such knives.
Outstanding video! Trench knives have always fascinated me.
‘18 for me any day. No contest.
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Thanks for the video. Not enough content on these. Fascinating part of knife history.
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Your channel deserve way more subs! Such an amazing job on these videos!
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Very well done and informative. Kudos
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Atlanta Cutlery makes some very good trench knives.
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Loved the phrasing at 4:55, very straightforward and to the point. Not too edgy either
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Interesting content about some deadly knives. Thanks.
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Very interesting and superbly presented video, thanks very much 👍🏻
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My grandfather gave me one of these when i was in junior high-school. Mom took it at some point didn't see it again till about 5 6 yrs ago. She passed 2 yrs ago and haven't seen it since
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I spent a summer making a scythe for a friend and his mom instantly took it. I even asked her if she’s going to take it I’ll just keep it.
She’s cold.
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I’ve seen a Picture of Knives similar to this, but with a Small Revolver Gun, built within the Knife itself. So it was a Gun, Knife and a Knuckle Duster.
There were all sorts of odd th ings that were created, especially in the 1700s. Sword pistols really got out of hand during that time...
this an pocket knife made in France with an folder dagger blade an knuckle and six shot of 6mm rim fire or an 22lr this sort off objects are for self défense under robber in the street at the night
The apache revolver. It wasn't really used or manufactured much because it was terrible at all 3 of its jobs.
i do and dont like the 4 finger knuckle guard of the 18. although i accept the improved grip with it, you showed that well, and in the trenches that was probably key. but i think the 17's D guard made switching hands easier in a pinch. either way the blade is better than the ice pick.
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Your video was very well done. Cheers!
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@@TheKnifeLifeChannelI should have mentioned I have a 1918. Cheers!
Ive seen these in so many collections.
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Very cool and interesting presentation!
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Excellent synopsis and delivery of information that is historically accurate
🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 Uussshhh
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Cold Steel Knives makes a modern version of the trench knife, and its even tougher and scarrier looking, comes standard with a spearpoint tip but also a tanto point
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Cold steel is no1 for my standards😂
That spyderco at the beginning is a very special piece. You have a very discerning eye!
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I prefer the 1918 knife. I like that it has cutting edges, shorter blade and a single piece brass handle and knuckles. I think in the movie "Objective Burma" there's a scene where archival footage was used and a soldier can be seen equipped with one in a scabbard that was part of a machete scabbard. I may be remembering that wrong. As cool as these knives are, I like the US Army bolo bayonets used in the Philippines more.
The Big Red One. Lee Marvin.
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@@nomadmarauder-dw9re Thats what I was thinking... good movie.
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I like looking at the different examples of trench made knives
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My father was in the south pacific during WWII. He was in the Americal Division and they were issued trench knives.
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Great video.. M 1918 is a very nice looking well put tool..
I bet it would work great for self defense 😊
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Great video 👍 I have both of those models, originals.
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My dad said he was issued a 1918 Trench knife in WWII , the only one in his company . Not my choice of a edge tool .
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@@TheKnifeLifeChannel 3451st Ordnance Co. Served in the South Pacific Theater .
This is a neat thing to subscribe to. Thank you for the presentation! Very interesting. Ps-I’d take the French knife without the knuckle deal.
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very interesting, subscribed.
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Nice shirt! Great video!
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Cool. I just finished watching Boardwalk Empire and now I know what Jimmy's archaic knife is all about. Thanks.
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I had a college friend whose dad had been a Navy UDT/SEAL through World War II, Korea and Vietnam. He carried (and used) the same ‘18 through all three.
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Must haves in every collectors repertoire
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Great presentation! subbed
I carry a large Bowie now, and I would have then. If the two I would want the 18.
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thank u sir
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Your edits on this video are on point....no pu intended
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That dad-joke at 4:53 gets the gold medal 🏅 😂
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My dad left me a handful of ww1 ww2 and Vietnam trench knives I know they are all worth a pretty penny if I ever have a emergency at least I have some back up financially
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The 1918 is the coolest combat knife ever made ever. I got a BUDK model. Goes with my doughboy helmet.
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I would prefer a combination of the Mk1 and Mk2: The full knuckleduster of the 1918 and the stiletto of the 1917. The puncture of the triangular blade would be superior with the retention of the finger holes. But in cold weather with gloves or mittens the knuckleduster would be useless, so maybe just the 1917.
Interesting take. The use of mittens would make the 1918 useless, which I expect is partially why we don't really see knuckle duster knives anymore!
The Trench Knife Is Mega Cool Knife Greetings Pirmin
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The M1918 because..... feelings.
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on June 1, 1918, a panel of AEF officers conducted an exhaustive field test of various trench knives, including the American M1917, the Hughes trench knife, and the standard trench knives of the British and French armies , respectively. The field test was conducted to examine the qualities of each knife based on the following criteria: ability to carry in one hand while performing other tasks, speed or speed of use in action, safety grip in the event of a fall, ease of carrying when exploring in a low prone position, the likelihood of the knife being knocked over during a struggle, the suitability of the weight, length and shape of the blade and the shape of the handle.
Following these tests, the replacement trench knife called Mark I was born, developed jointly by officers of the AEF and the Engineering Division of US Ordnance. The AEF stated that the Mark I was a combination of all the best features of the trench knives evaluated, and the double-edged blade of the Mark I is a copy of the Couteau Poignard M-1916 (known as Le Vengeur) Most of the blades and handles were made in France.
With the end of hostilities, large-scale wartime contracts for the production of Mark I knives were canceled. Most Mark I knives made by American manufacturers were never issued and remained in army warehouses. there is only the lf1917 which was used late in the field
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I discovered what is possibly a prototype that is a mix of several of these, but is a monster 18 inches lol, 2lbs, with a square club / stabbing blade and a brass / bronze handle. It has 4 fullers, very nicely cut too. It has a 100 gentle tapered blade, that is strangley enough a blued blade also.
It's sort of a truncheon that can stab as well. It has enough weight to be able to Crack a skull even thru a helmet I'm sure, and deffo pressure cut flesh and break bones too.
I posted a video of it here. If you don't mind please take a look and let me know what you think. I've asked around and all the knowledgeable people I've found agree its real and likely a WW1 trench knife but can't say what it would be called, or the maker.
I can't help but wonder if it was a prototype as it is made too well to be the common "theater" field made weapon. Someone put alot of time and effort into this and knew what they was doing.
The handle btw isn't poured to the handle. It seems they broached a hole for the tang and friction fit it. The brass / bronze tho I can yes was poured tho prior as I can see like 3 micro air bubbles in its pommel with a 10× jewelers loop. Just barely tho. So it's not a modern cold rolled brass. Plus it has red rot and bronze disease on the handle so it must be pretty old.
I'd appreciate to hear what yoh think about it. Thanks bud, and great video. These knives are awesome!
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awesome video can You make 2 separate videos covering: 1) The Grayman knives/Grayman knife maker; & 2) the Michael Echanis design/inspired Echanis Warrior Knife aka known as the Al Mar Warrior; the Round Eye Knife and Tool (REKAT) smaller version known as the "Hobbit Warrior" and a folding version known as "Pocket Hobbit"; & Spyderco's version the Spyderco Warrior - Love Your content!
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5:04 the levels of that pun have got me realling
I like to have one or two good puns in each video. I've been slacking recently though.
More long videos upload please 🙏 good 👍
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My father carried an M1918 US trench knife during his 6 or 7 tours of duty during the Vietnam War. I never asked if he actually used it.
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M1918 is awesome but i like how they made an official version of the improvised french spike in the m1917
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when i was a boy in the 70s my grandfather had a knife similar, the knuckles had screw on tips and the blade was double edged, but more of a straight dagger. seen it has a teen in the 80s, when moving my grandmother in 90, it was nowhere to be found.
The Case V42 was the perfect light infantry commando combat dagger ever made.
Albeit was a WWII production and not a WWI production.
Historical fact, according to research conducted by Col Rex Applegate , the most confirmed knife kills of WWII were made by a Fin commando using a humble 5" blade Sami Pukko knife to kill Russian sentries.
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One notable Trench Knife of the Great War was an Austrian Kuk fighting knife, sorta similar in shape to a Roman Gladius or maybe an old style Artillery mans short sword
Would this be their M1917 knife?
@@TheKnifeLifeChannel Thats right, I'm not sure where the Kuk name came from though
@@johnryder1713 I'll see about taking a look at it. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@TheKnifeLifeChannel Thats great Knifey, sorry I missed the livestream but loved this vid
How about doing a segment over the Stryder knives
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The 1918 gets my vote every time, and I'm going to check one out at your link. This was a vicious weapon for close quarters combat and, as such, impossible for me to imagine having to face. I'm happy that I watched this; I had no idea that the history of trench warfare was ever this brutal, but with a few photos and very professional commentary, I can say unequivocally that I'm glad I wasn't there. It's a shameful thing to say, but it's an honest one.
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During World War II, stocks of Mark I knives were released for distribution to army units in need of a close combat knife, although the number of Mark Is used was limited. Among these knives the Mark I entered service, most of which were issued in 1942 and 1943 to soldiers serving in elite army rangers and airborne formations although some Mark I knives were used by units marines in 1942 and 1943, particularly marines serving with the four Marine Raider battalions. Reports from the military and maritime domain regarding the effectiveness of the Mark I knife were mixed; some men liked the design, while others complained that Mark I was poorly balanced, with a relatively thin blade that was prone to breaking at the blade-hilt junction, particularly when used for utilitarian tasks. Other reports noted that the Mark I's large "knuckle" finger guard grip was expensive to produce and limited the number of useful combat grip positions, as well as preventing the knife from being carried in a leather sheath conventional or sheath. The Mark I was also criticized by marine raiders for its poor balance, relatively slow deployment speed, and rapid penetration to kill ability when used in an offensive role (raiders would eventually adopt a combat knife with a stylus silhouette, blade modeled after the Fairbairn-Sykes combat knife. Additionally, American war planners had foreshadowed the need for a general-purpose trench knife that could fulfill both combat and defense roles. utility, while retaining strategic metal resources. The Mark I trench knife was replaced in Army service by the US M3 in 1943 along with old bayonets converted into combat knives while the US Marine Corps released its own combat and utility knife the same year, designated the 1219C2 known as the USMC Mark 2 Combat Knife aka the USMC Combat Utility Knife.
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The good ol poker.
Time tested and true.
how times have changed. My Social Studies teacher in High School (1970} brought in a 1918 mark 1 for our discussionon WWI
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My choice goes to the french one. Not only because I'm french, but I like a knife that can be use as a tool, where trench knives with knuckle duster are less practical to use in a non-combat situation.
But if I could, I would go with the 1918 for combat and my good old balisong for utilitarian use.
Which French one? the Lebel or the Vengeur?
The vengeur, the Lebel one I can hardly consider it as a knife, as it doesn't have real cutting edge ^^ more like an angry ice pick@@TheKnifeLifeChannel
I have my grandpas' M1918. It's brutal.
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I know of a mark1 1918 here in Iceland that found it's way here with a Danish lady after WWII. Also a "Blut und Ehre" knife
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I remember reading that on the introduction of the knuckle knife, German Commanders ordered any soldier captured with one was to be executed on the spot.
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I know it's not one of the choices, but my favorite is the kukri.
I've got a video on that one as well! A WW1 and WW2 champ!
May I suggest the Ontario Knife Company OKC-3C Bayonet for a video? It's the current issue Marine Corps utility/fighting knife/ bayonet is a pretty neat tool, and you can tell it takes design ques from the Ka-Bar.
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My dad unintentionally bought a 1918 trench knife knuckle. He bought it black, but cleaned and polished it, revealing a brass shine. It only has the marks "U.S. 1918" and the spikes on the finger holes looked worn out. There is also some damage on the back of the handle. It doesn't have a crossguard though. I'm wondering if this is an authentic one or not. It weighs around .25 kg when he bought it in a junkshop.
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Cool vid!. I still have my Grandfathers WW2 Bolo Kokoda Machete. It is an amazing tool. Very high quality steel. The handle is the only con. It is a bit small and slippery. But yeah still a great piece of history....
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I have a replica of a 1918 my grandfather had.
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The design evolved into a more effective fighting weapon because it took into account the multiplicity of position in a hand-to-hand fight. With nothing but a dagger in your hand, you can only inflict real damage by thrusting the weapon in one direction. Depending on your position, being held to the ground, how you are holding it at the time, etc, you may not have the leverage for impaling your enemy. Keep in mind that when you are in a hand-to-hand fight with an enemy trying to kill you, your adrenaline and fear will have you doing all within your power to prevail. It's not a boxing match. The M1918 takes into account that you may be flailing your fists and arms in multiple directions and the weapon allows for some damage with each blow. So with the M1918, you could stab, slice, punch, hammer blow, in multiple movements and have an effect with each blow.
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Brutal and decidedly deadly but limiting in a true knife fight. The Bowie is still arguably the finest fighting knife some newer designs are up there with it.
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I have a 1918 (replica of course) and I like the weight of the handle and the ability to do damage with straight punches or overhead hammer fist. I've seen replicas that make the handle out of a hardened polymer and coated with rubber but I'm not sure I'd trust that
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I have an M1917 trench spike. It’s nasty. Designed to do one thing-punch through things.
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Trench knives worked well back then. They'll work well know. My grandfather Carl Kaiser was 17 years old, U.S. Marine when he fought in WW1. The Germans never had their troops shot 700 to 800 yards away until U.S. Marines popped up.
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not exactly “cutting edge” was such an underrated laugh.
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M1918, I have one and I made it RAZOR sharp. hanging by the door along with a double barrel, loaded with 4 buck.
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My pick is the one that Jimmy used on board Walk empire
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One notable modern Knuckle Knife would be the Argentine El Cuchillo de Paracaidista, used in the Falklands and beyond
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M1918 because I own one. Cheers!
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1918!!!! The knife of "sarg" in the Big Red One....
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I ordered a 1918 from Smokey Mountain Knife Works, but it came with a crap blade. I happened to order a cut German bayonet blade weeks earlier and mounted it onto the 1918.
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M1918 for its bad assery!!!!
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I prefer both because I have neither in my collection.
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The 1918 is in my nightstand
I wish a ninja would
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I love the 1918, but am curious about any difficulties wielding it while wearing gloves.
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❤ahh Subsonic Target engagement.. Clasico
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M 1918, it’s double edged and the knuckles look more solid.
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I have a replica M1917 and it’s brutal
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WW1 had some medieval weapons. Guys were cut from a different cloth
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I have a LF&C 1917 & 1918, a New Zealand knuckle knife, everitt knuckle knife, a few theatric knuckle knives that were used during the war, a BC-41, and a couple other originals. I love knuckle knives but hands down the best knife of world war 2, for the United States, was the MK1. Both for fighting and utility purposes, it was a knife that should have never been replaced by the mk2 in my opinion. I also have a good collection of “no 18 V44’s” and other ww2 knives. The only good knuckle knife, again in my opinion, is the New Zealand knuckle knife. It can both be used as a fighting knife but a utility knife two bc it really has more of a “D” style guard than brass knuckles which allows you to hold different grips and the “guard” doesn’t get in the way. Especially if you have the clip point style and not the double edged dagger style.
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This man owns several Spydercos. 🕵️♂️ That’s how I know he’s a man of knowledge and discernment. 🤌
Us men of class pronounce it Spee-Eye-derco. Like a gentleman should...
Dirty Harry - The Enforcer 1976, was the first time I saw an M1918 style trench knife....
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Trench knifes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A M1918 knife made in 1923 as a commemorative recently sold at auction near me for $1900.
That isn't a "commemorative", it was surplus from the original production that was purchased and engraved by "Seattle Tent and Awning Company" and was given as a gift to special customers
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#TheSpiritOfTheBlade 🖤
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1918 wider blade and it jad somewhat of an edge😊
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My great-grandfather gave me one when I was 12, my mother had a fit and took it from me. I never got it back😢
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When I was 10 or 12 years old there was a 1918 at a flea market priced at 12 dollars I didn’t have enough money to buy it
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I would rather choose 1917 for various reasons, the triangular blade is harder to push out of the grip than a wide flat side of a blade like in 1918.
With the 1917 the chance are less likely for breaking your fingers and easier to let go. The 1917 would be easier to stop by hand if taken away from me, cause it does not cuts the hand.
The point of impact of the spikes of the 1917 would be easier to go for a break then the asymmetrical 1918 ones, which rather seem to be good for scarring or scratching. I think there is a hard2hurt video and skallagrim video about the bad impact of these asymmetrical ones.
Then the 1917 would better suit my style of fighting and it does not need to kill necessarily the opponent but can be used to just disable for taking capture. Another thing is the wider surface of the 1917 knuckle design which allows to easier deflect swords or other knives, the 1918 with its narrow face would let my hand be cut while trying such moves. In my eyes the design so far is optimal. it is times tested like the kobudo tekko ones.
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