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Nathan Elliott owns and operates Out of the Woods Forestry a Sawmill, Kiln and woodworking business. OTW is located in the Appalachian Mountain range of Northeast Tennessee. Nathan operates a Wood-Mizer sawmill used in conjunction with other tools to harvest timber from local woodlands and urban environments.
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Osage one of my favs.. right next to Purple Heart.
Love the bloopers
Angle the output table and add water drain holes.
Also, would rollers be an option for the output table?
Great content, Thank You.
osage is harder than superman’s knuckles.
I grew up in Ohio and Osage Orange is also a very hot, long burning wood that was sometimes used for heating and such as well as for steam engines. It was also planted along property and boundary lines and it has this Green Fruit the size of grapefruit or oranges and that lead to the familiar name of "Hedge Apple"!! Just an interesting side note to the tree!! Oh, and when tossed at someone and it breaks, IT STINKS!! LOL.
When I was a boy, helping my grandfather and uncles, we put in many fences using osage orange posts. Most of the osage orange hedges were planted during the 30's by the WPA for soil erosion and future fence needs. Very heavy wood! I have seen it used in custom furniture; it turns orange when the sunlight gets to it. Best wishes
Beaudock also has thorns and a really sticky extremely flammable sap. Makes those big ol green ball things. They're apparently edible but they taste like watermelon rind. Horses like them, anyways.
For some reason, watching Nathan's videos gives me generally the same feeling as running into the guys down at the diner and shooting the breeze over a couple cups of coffee.
appreciate that,
I get that same feel too.
His videos are calming, comforting, and satisfying. Not a ton of energy (in a 100% good way) and watching him is like watching someone open artistic mystery boxes. And. I happen to be drinking a cup of coffee now as well lol
Does the density of the wood affect drying time?
You really have struck gold with this one. The grain in that 1st piece there actually looks like poured golden honey🍯
poor jeremy is going to get a complex
Time out - where's the coffee cup holders??
Why does the timber on the building your framing in look burned?
it is,
Nice!! That guy from you know...:-)
Oh yeah!
when the cats all help it turns out better. everyone knows that cats know everything. lol
8:19 paw prints proving cat inspection and approval.
@@tribalismblindsthembutnoty124 😸
Gold is right, that's some nice stuff! Always a good day when you can make an upgrade to the mill.
It sure is
My family is from mid Missouri, my dad is a logger and cattle farmer, hedge (osage) was a big part of my upbringing. So much so that the support beams for your 14 foot ceiling living room is squared hedge beams. It is also used as door trim on the outside door as well as the doorway to our living room. Sanding was a nightmare on all that btw.
Great opening sequence, really artistic, and love the bloopers.
thank you,
It is similar to cherry and darken as it is exposed to light and air. I made a side table out of Osage that I milled up, I can send you some photos to get an idea of how it will shift.
Please do
@@nathanelliott9013 I posted a finished photo on patreon. I'll e-mail you some of the process photos.
Also called 'horse apple' and 'bois de arc', or 'bodark'. Makes excellent bows for archery. 'Bois de arc' is French for bow wood. In parts of the US settled by French, think Louisiana Purchase, most now call it 'bodark'.
Cut some small limbs and stick them in the ground...voila! you have a tree. Plant them close together in a line and you have an impenetrable hedge, forever. Get careless and the thorns and spikes will rip you a new one.
The best bows and axe handles are started with a froe to split the wood along the grain.
This is the first time I've ever heard someone actually call it 'osage orange'. (And at the risk of sounding pedantic, it's bois d'arc. No 'e' before a vowel in french.)
@@marklandgraf7667 Entschuldigung...Ich habe ein Fehler gemacht... Actually you can thank "Autocorrect".
@@BuickDoc Ah! Gotcha. :)
In Missouri some call it hedge apple for the large green balls that grow on it. Makes great fire wood also, but just one log at a time, it get very hot.
Nathan, Osage Orange makes fantastic bowstaves. You should save some of that with straight grain for some lucky traditional bowyer.
Even better to rive it out with the grain.
Then thin it with a drawknife on a shaving horse.
It certainly has a lot of spring in it.
Everyone else is talking about the characteristics of the wood or telling Nathan all the things wrong with the table or his slab.
Me? I'm wondering why the table was shipped with the legs down. It has quick pins and what looks like pivot bolts so they can fold up and ship flat.
You need a table with rollers that pop up when you need them! I’ve seen them in several big sawmills!
It's nice until rollers break or something seizes up. Just more stuff you have to fix. He seems to have a pretty simple setup that table is probably good enough for what he is doing.
If the table had rollers and they were spaced so you could get pallet forks in there, save a bunch of work.
This is a reply that *Out Of The Woods* has made to similar comments. *"nope, the wood comes down at an angle, it would crash into the rollers causing it to jump up in the air, that has been tested before by Wood Mizer, did not work out well"*
As I type this comment, I'm sitting next to my side table that I inherited from my Great Uncle Tom Lucas. He built the top and lower shelf from a Hercules dynamite box. The legs and cross bracing are Bois D'Arc. Half the nails are bent over because the wood is so hard. Growing up we reattached barb wire to the posts with bailing wire as nails or staples were impossible. Beautiful wood.
awesome, thanks for the support Brock,
It is hard to find a hedge tree that is straight in Iowa. They always grow crocked and branch out low to the ground.
that was a tough customer, going to finish it up today, never sawed anything that dense before,
@@OutoftheWoods0623 an old timer here in Iowa told me a good hedge post should outlast 3 holes
you have to pull them out of the timber, hard to find in Iowa I'd imagine
A few old timers here in south east Kansas told me the hedge trees were planted during the dust bowl. They’re crooked because they used to cut them off, with a two man saw, about chest high every 4 years to make them bush out. That’s some real man work right there. One man on each side of the hedge row, for weeks. Miles to cut.
Lots of good straight hedge in SE iowa in the timbers, along the roads and fences they don't have to grow up to the light so they get can pretty knarly and that's what most people see.
I grew up around osage oranges, never thought I’d see the inside of one. Sure is beautiful, thank you for that... ✌🏼☃️
We always called it hedge apple as you typically see it growing in the hedge rows between fields in Illinois. So very hard. It was like sawing through concrete with a chainsaw. My dad used to put the "apples" in the basement to keep the bugs away. Glad your back! Been missing your videos.
This was what they made natural fences with in IL. Horse High, Pig Tight, Bull Strong, The thorns make it like very mean barbed wire. Shreds tractor tires also.
Ah, cats and bloopers... now, what did I come in here for? 🙃
That outfeed table looks awesome. So does the Osage!
thanks James,
You’ve probably already seen that it fairly quickly turns a beautiful toasty brown. We used a lot of hedge for fence posts on the ranch in the Oklahoma panhandle ‘No Man’s Land’ where the settlers planted them for tree rows in a largely treeless and arid land. They grew slow and hard. The drawback for use as posts is that as they cure they becomes so hard it is nearly impossible to drive in a fence steeple, resulting in a lot of cussing and bent steeples!
You're a good man! Loved watching your video and listening to you. Me and my wife had a ranch holiday in Wickenburg Arizon and we had a ranch dude who had your accent... I forget where he said he was from? All the best from a UK Yorkshireman
Absolutely beautiful grain and color. We have Osage Orange here in Nebraska but the biggest log I have seen was about 8 inches in diameter but 15 feet straight! We cut it, quartered it and sealed the ends and sold the staves to a bow maker. Hard wood is right we call it Iron Wood too.
Osage orange or hedge is the hardest domestic wood at 2400 on the janka scale. Hickory and pecan come in at 1800, so that tells you the hardness of osage orange.
What I would give to be stuck in a place that beautiful during COVID. Rolling hills, kind people, open skies, and a friendly cat.
The table should be a very nice addition.
They call them hedge apple trees up here. I remember as a kid my brother and I used to call their fruit “monkey brains”. If you ever smashed one you would understand.
Is that cabbage with the really neat coloring above the nose?
Thanks for the content as always.
-Ben
Where I'm from, I call it Bois d'Arc. :)
Yup, translated from French as "wood of the bow." Osage Orange or "hedge apple tree" wood was used by native Americans to make their long bows.
@@scooper4981 A good fact is a bow made from the straightest Bois d’Arc wood is worth a horse and a blanket.
Also works great for self bows, and veneers, or cores for longbows. Dense, but has fantastic elastic properties for repeated flex. That’s by far the largest one I have ever seen.
pretty yellow lumber even yellow pine doesn't look like that 11 12 2021
Good luck friend,,how are you today??
All good
Do you have a soundtrack yet? Love the music that you share.
The colour of honey. Beautiful wood.
Love your content man. Our barn is almost done and our milling operation is about to be set here to go in SW Missouri. I still build and run a construction company full time, but milling is an awesome hobby for me that happens to also make money and provide materials for my primary income. Keep it up man, watching every video.
That is awesome!
from 14:58 on the the rolling exit : An audio visual feast.
*Food for my soul* .
Thank You !
I’m not a sawyer but here are some ideas I had when I saw your new table. For what it’s worth. First, the table should come with wheels so that you can roll it around if necessary. If you don’t move it, you can always take them off. Second, mount some kind of hard rubber matting on the table so that when you move wood across it, it takes the wear instead of the paint. Finally, since you throw water on the wood, could you somehow seal the steel parts that would get wet so that the table does not rust. I always enjoy your videos, and I’ve learned a lot from you. State safe. BTW, I live not too far from you ( about 4 hours) in Nelson County, Virginia.
Come to the Twin Oaks Tennessee Classic in April/May and you’ll see hundreds of Osage bows. Might find a few customers too in that crowd. In Chapmansboro, TN.
I thought it was mulberry from the thumbnail.
We’ve got bodarc here in texas but that was a nice blemish free log! Enjoyed your work.
OK, talk about timing! I just got back from picking up 3 Osage Orange logs for my mill! In the 10 or 12 inch diameter range and 15 feet or so. I'm planning to use a 4 degree blade to mill them, probably next weekend. Love the videos!
I have a post that was in a fence for 75+ years. It's so hard It's almost impossible to remove fencing staples.
I have the remains of a fenceline that goes from my mailbox and up into the wood way past my property line. All the Posts are Osage. They are all cut off at ground level. I tried burning. Drilling, and pulling up. They are All. Still. There.
@@travisfamadventures9044 When I was young there was an old Osage Orange fence row on our farm. The trees were interwoven and full of giant thorns. They were a pain to work around. My Uncle spent weeks digging them up and creating a brush pile. (The bright orange roots are just as tough as the rest of the wood.) He waited until midwinter to light it up. It was nearly impossible to start on fire. Once it got going good the weeds and grass caught on fire too. The fire department came to put out the grass fire. Unfortunately, to my uncle's great disgust, they also put out the burning Osage Orange. I learned a few new words that day. 🤣🤣🤣
Osage Orange or Bois d'Arc (horse apple in Texas) is beautiful wood. It was used by Indians to make long bows. It is one of the most dense woods and is known for eating saw blades and other wood working tools, especially if not green. Nice intro with the drone shots.
thanks for watching,
always enjoy watching and your choice of music is great....cheers from Florida
Thanks 👍👍
It also has energy density similar to coal, so scraps are good in a woodstove. NOT a fireplace though, it sparks.
Lots of sparks!
Got a beautiful golden tone.
Love the wood, love the music, love your work. Thank you from Australia.
First thing on the outfeed table! Timber, no, cat's footprints! ;-)
You got that right!
I've had this species on my mind since I found your channel a few weeks ago. Gorgeous.
Nice work brother, I've watched all your videos i believe, and i wont dare ask u wher u get your blades from, lol!!!!... i you have a suggestion on fat lighter boards, let me know, lol,
LIL DAV!!!!$$$$.
thanks
Anytime brother, keep up the good work, i was trying to get the 70 when that storm came through a couple years back and took out 1000s of old pecan trees in ga, but i couldn't get the financing, so i missed out, once again, lol!..
LOL cut right through that woodmizer logo right out the box. Hilarious
i know right,
You can burnish Osage when you use it until it's like a piece of glass.
I noticed that as it came off the mill,
"What am I gonna do about it?", "Haven't thought about it"...LOL, love your honesty. lets just pour some concrete! good enough for me, too.
That is a real pretty gold in that log. I would think the top of the out feed table being made of rollers instead of sheet metal would make the job a whole lot easier.
By the way what is that piece of music playing in the background
OOTWs - young man, you got great taste in wood AND in your choice of music! THANK YOU... arthur (Ngai)
I have NEVER seen this wood before Nathan. What an intense colour it has & at first you don't realise that it has got much going for it in the way of grain until you put the water on it & then the grain really popped & showed its beauty. Outstanding. Cheers mate, Don from South Australia.
Some of those growth lines would split into beautiful Self-Bow staves for hand made Osage bows. Demand is high for Osage that pretty. Probably bring around $150/stave after splitting.
Sam Houston loved bois d'arc and planted some by his original office in Huntsville, TX - they're about 150 years old now, still alive and ENORMOUS!
Osage Orange. During the New Deal in FDR's era, the Conservation Corp planted Osage Orange on selected farms for a hedge-like fencing. My grandmother's farm, a neglected piece of Iowa Farm history, had a strip mine that covered about 40 acres. The northern border had an Osage Orange hedge-like fence. In the summer, Osage Orange have a sort of hedge balls about the size of softballs. These fall in later summer and will go to seed during the Spring. Thus, more Osage Orange which can become extremely unruly with twisted, thorny limbs. In 1984, I cut well over 400 nice size Osage Orange trees all by myself with only a chain saw (went through several blades). We used those for fence posts which will last hundreds of years ... supposedly. This tree has become rare in SE Iowa but the fence posts endure. It burns hot, really hot!
Osage is beautiful. Starts bright yellow and ages to the color of good whiskey. Might want to look into sawing if for bow blanks is you get any more. Harder than Woodpecker's Lips. An Osage post will outlast two postholes.
"Harder than Woodpecker's Lips." LMBO : ) Thank you.
Good video Osage is harder than a woodpeckers lips and a lot of people have a reaction to the dust so be careful
What's his name from wherever he's from.....no coffee in this video!!! Besides knowing Osage orange made good fence posts that could last a couple, three decades and chunking hedge apples at your friends like a bright green, warty snowball fight, I'd never seen the inside of a log before. Pretty. And interesting.
Yep, that’s a Bois D’arc; beautiful wood and lasts forever... my GGgrandparents markers are made from it, and the original poster are still there. We found them when we had proper stone headrests set. They left Grainger County around 1895 for Texas and Oklahoma. Thanks for the video.
For the people who ask about music; Shazam will find any copyrighted music that has streaming distribution. If it’s copyright free, it won’t be available. 👍
Hi Nathan - got a few things for you:
1). Thanks for the Osage. I never knew it got big enough to mill. Very interesting, and I appreciate your sharing your research and insights as well as the video from the sawmill.
2). I’m surprised you didn’t just build an out-feed table out of lumber and plywood. Care to share you thoughts on why you went with a steel, Woodmizer prototype instead?
3). Your “blooper” at the end is what’s known around here as a “brain cramp” or “brain fart”. Glad to know that I’m not the only sufferer!
I used some osage orange to make wood-worker mallets (heads) with black walnut handles- also for my church I made a cutting board of walnut with an inset cross of osage orange! it is VERY hard LOL
Kinda hard to find a "saw log" in Osage down here on the south border of TN (near the TN,ALA, MS lines). Most of these trees grow in fence lines.. That means wire!!! They grow big and fat and tall though. This log looks like it must have been cut from an upper part of the tree. When around these guys in the fall, watch out for the "milk balls"! When the fall, they can put you down!
Osage orange is one of the best woods their is for making flat bows. Boyers love that wood. Makes a very strong bow.
Coveted by Native Americans for their bows!
Usually hand split for bow making to control how the grain runs.
Yup, up in Ohio we've got *large* osage orange trees but they're only common south of I-70, and get more numerous as you get closer to the Ohio River (lots of 'em in Kentucky). Somebody is gonna be happy with those slabs. 😊
Another name for them are Bois D' Arc, bowdark, bowwood, horse apple, and hedgeapple . Settlers used the wood to make chuck wagons, wheel hubs and wheels due it strength and resistance to cracking. Plenty of them in Texas and I have a few on my property of various sizes. The fruit/seedpod they drop is a pain and the size of grapefruit along with the thorns.
You speak well except for the removal of “th” on words that start with “th”. Please add that back as it doesn’t sound “folksy” just ignorant and I don’t believe that you are ignorant by any means.
As a bow maker its tuff seeing osage being milled like this lol. In the bow making world osage is the prime stuff everyone wants due to its quality but not everyone has access to it and can get spendy if you want to buy a bow stave. That log is like a life time supply of straight bow staves lol, SEND ME SOME. Anyone else a bow maker?
Osage orange is also called bodock, from the French bois d'arc, or wood of the ark, in reference to Noah's Ark. It's fairly common here in middle TN, not so much as sawmill material, mainly used as fence posts due to its longevity. Another cool fact is that it was once used to make billy clubs...enjoyed this video.
Perhaps some holes or slots in the outfeed table would be helpful to prevent sawdust and water from accumulating on it. Or, maybe a heavy mesh screen instead of a solid steel table. That would keep the weight done, and maybe the cost. I can't tell if it's under cover, but it could hold rain or snow.
yeah not a bad idea,
If you decide you want more Osage Orange, I've got several up to almost 2' diameter you are more than welcome to take for free... Just have to make it up to K.C. Missouri.
Weatherby Guns will make you a gun stock out of Osage Orange (maclura polmifera), for many thousands of dollars.
Killing me watching you slab that. $$$$ big money in that for bow makers. Long bows especially 😢
My Grandfather decked two hay wagons with 5/4 hedge apple. It felt half loaded when pulling it empty. Last time I saw them was about 10 years ago, so after 40 years in the weather they were still solid.
That was in Cannon county Tennessee... plenty of hedge apple there.
12below and wind chill -26 , always like see you bundled up. You are lucky to be able to work and do things
We have "hedge rows" around the midwest. You see them along the sides of pastures, some of the trees still standing. Farmers used to plant osage orage (hedge) trees along the edge of fields, then tack wire to them once they got to be about 3 inches in diameter. Sawing through them can yield surprises sometimes, bad for your blade. This was mostly done back in the late 1700 to late 1800s. The trees that remain are typically up to 3' diameter. They would also trim off limbs and younger trees up to 3'-6' diameter that weren't growing where they wanted. Those would be placed in fence rows as posts, and still be there decades later. The wood will rot, but it takes a very long time, much longer than cedar. Drive through the countryside here in Illinois, and you can observe many remaining hedge rows bordering pastures and fields.
Hey Nat I commented on the butter nut about the Osage the some fine looking wood. My great x2 and my great grand paw made a table that seated 12 out of Osage in the late 1880. It was made in Osage county in north east Kansas and traveled to Texas in 1900 by wagon and mule. The table is still alive today. 120 some years later. It a beast, when I was a kid I swore it weight a thousand pounds. If that table could talk I would love to here the story’s
Here’s another one for you to put on the mizer. Catalpa it another fine looking wood may be hard to find
A Nice add-on to the Mill, Maybe a Roller at the "On" End of the Table, and Possibly a Couple More? Gary from Ga.
Just an FYI, osage is very popular in the game call making business - duck and goose calls especially. Osage blanks sell for good money despite their small size. Might be a nice side hustle.
Is your Stihl electric a 170, I saw Josh (stoney ridge farmer ) use one and went out and got one. I've been very happy with it so far! Great saw!
Lots of Osage Orange here in SW Missouri. Wicked hard wood. It was smoking when I cut down a tree with my chainsaw the other day. Yes, my chain could have used a little sharpening, but it wasn't that bad. Everything else was cutting fine, but when I hooked into that hedge it didn't want any of it!!! If I'm not misinformed , it is in the Mulberry family. It grows very slow so large diameters are not very common, and it twists and branches out pretty low to the ground so long straight pieces are even less common
Bois de Arc is a nasty tree. The branches are covered in thorns, the sap is milky and sticky and as you say it is very hard when dry. It is however a beautiful color. In 1890 my family moved to Greer County, Texas and set corner post of Osage Orange and they are still there today.
Always have a chuckle when I here an American call a piece of timber a 2x4, here in Australia it is a 4x2, do like the video's though, keep them coming
maybe you know thechannel arboristglenblair?
his last vid whas about slabbing a 30 foot redwood log, i think you would like that vid.
I've turned it on a metal lathe. The rough (fine grain and smooth like glass) turning set to drying 20 years ago and is likely stable now. It is burnt orange a brownish color. Quarter saw the log for diamonds in the eyes ! Interesting wood. Expect color change as it ages.
We used to have a lot of Osage Orange around here. It’s more common name in these parts is Bois D'arc and horse apple. We saw them disappear back in the 80’s and 90’s here in Arkansas. There were 4 buyers that set up shop in this area and they bought Osage Orange to make driver heads for golf clubs. Thank you for sharing this video with us and this is the first time in many years I’ve got to see this beautiful wood!
I turned a mallet head on the lathe out of Osage Orange years ago. That thing is indestructible! I'm surprised you didn't put a coat of wax on that table top! Lol. PS. Might put some paint on the raw steel so it doesn't rust. Are you enjoying the snow yet down there? Supposed to get a couple inches in southeast KY tonight from it.
I got a male cat just like that one @ 10:02 , solid black, all muscle & @ one year old weighs 16 lbs. His name is Quinto Maii = 5th of May in Latin, his birthday.
Bois d' arc is what we call it in Texas, and it's the toughest wood I've ever seen go through a mill. It will break a sawblade if you're doing any kind of industrial production & have your saws running fast. I want to make a guitar neck out of it. Also known as horse apple.
Osage is also the "Gold Standard" for building primitive selfbows as well as recurves and longbows! Over time it goes from yellow to a golden brown!
Osage is dense as hell. And it changes color with UV exposure to a beautiful honey brown color. Make sure it is dry before final working because when it warps nothing will stop it!