Kids Are Smarter Than This: So Funny I Forgot to Laugh (Arthur)
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Arthur pretty much defined my childhood, but later in the series they had an episode that took the main character and turned him into the biggest jerk.
Francine and Muffy were definitely the worst part in this episode. Francine did this in more episodes than not. In fact some episodes even lampshaded how hypocritical it is for Francine to call her friends mean. Maybe just maybe if Francine acknowledged her old bullying ways, she could have admitted she nearly lost her friends. That way giving Arthur advice to stop instead of just calling him out without irony
Yeah Francine could have given some Arthur advice
You just wrote a much better episode.
It is not the characters fault it is the writing 😂
@@Shastasnow Well, obviously yes it's the writing. I meant the usage of them. Sorry, I should have been more clear
Easiest way to fix this episode, would be Arthur would be the one standing up for Sue Ellen and FRANCHINE is the one being a bully as usual and then have Arthur point out to her all the times she's betrayed their group over and over, just to be "funny" or because she wanted attention.
"Remember the time you made fun out of me, until I tried to break my glasses? You know, I could've really hurt my eyes trying to see the board without them, just to avoid you picking on me."
To think this episode was written by the same person who wrote so many iconic Arthur episodes, including (and especially) the April 9th episode.
Peter K. Hirsch, you broke my heart.
Arthur just ended :(
Oh, wow. Just...Arthur, why?!
More likely should say, "What have they done to you Arthur?! 🤦♂️"
It's weird, because this was actually my favourite episode when I was a kid, so I was surprised now to find that it's so universally unpopular. But I've been thinking about it, and this episode came out around the same time that I was being bullied at school myself, in quite a similar way to how Arthur bullies Sue Ellen - and also by people who'd always seemed nice in the past. So I guess I probably kind of identified with Sue Ellen, and I wouldn't have felt like Arthur was out of character, because I'd just seen real kids suddenly turn mean out of nowhere in the same way. (I sort of took the message of this episode to be that every kid can accidentally become a bully if they're not careful, even if they don't see themselves as one, so it's important to watch how you treat people.) And it was probably comforting to me to see Sue Ellen, who was also my favourite character, in a similar situation to me, and also see Arthur realise he was in the wrong and how much he'd hurt her, and eventually apologise. But yeah... it's just interesting now to realise how much my own experiences at the time probably impacted how I saw the episode.
3:42 - And to make matters worse - Sue Ellen is a cat!
Just because you’ve been bullied doesn’t mean you can’t also be a bully. I’m autistic so of course I got bullied quite a bit but at the same time that disorder made me not realize sometimes when I was bullying other kids.
Same. We're also very blunt and black&white, so we say things we think are innocent and don't understand why people get upset/offended.
Arthur got bad writing in the later seasons and once they changed up Mr. Ratburn is when I did stopped watching them till the final episode. In fact, some of the modern episodes have a similar bad writing and character derailment issue.
Arthur is acting like an unabashed narcissist in this episode....that "apology" letter in cringe to the millionth power.
And yet, Arthur's still funnier than those failed abortions that kept making jokes about Mr. Ratburn and Mr. Read having an affair. 😑
Trinston was here
The worst episode of arthur, no doubt
They could’ve just used Binky
Ever since the 16th season, I always had this notion that the writers of the show stopped writing episodes about the characters, and focused more on changing the characters to fit the story. That's why an episode like this, which shouldn't have happened, took place. There was also a later episode where none of the kids knew what a radio, camera, or encyclopedia were, despite having interacted with all of those items. When a show lasts as long as Arthur did, you eventually get to the point where the writing starts to wane.
Damn that early?
@@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072 To give the writers some credit, some of the episodes weren't that bad, writing wise. But there were a lot of character inconsistencies, such as Francine and Muffy being less snarky, Arthur being an unreasonable jerk such as in this episode, and heck, episodes even aired premiered out of order, causing even more inconsistencies. It may be a kids show, they were able to (mostly) keep consistency for 15 seasons. It's a shame they just started phoning it in up until the end
@@Jasper08th the fact that the author presumably I am pretty sure he worked with PBS and allowed this to happen but who knows how much control he really had. But I KNOW there were some episodes that he liked and im was generally not well liked. Like you would think under his quasi leadership that stuff like this wouldn’t happen.
But it also gives me pause on how you can rely on a TV company to turn your books into a TV show
I mean there’s other shows longer than Arthur that are still amazing. _cough_ _cough_ -anime-
@@birdyghostly where? I don’t see any
To be honest, there are so many ways that this concept could’ve worked, And in my opinion, one of the simplest could have been to change the ending. After hanging up, Buster calls Arthur again and talks to him about the situation, and then he brings up the time that people used to make fun of his glasses. Have Buster make Arthur realize that he pushed the jokes too far, and I think you could’ve salvage the episode for the most part
Ya that sounds like a nice way it could’ve ended. Maybe it could be Francine and she gets a letter home. Her parents tell her just how bad it can be to harass someone and what it can do to someone.
You could've also fixed it like it was more of a group making fun of Sue Allen. This happened to me before, going against someone less popular than me and making fun of them to make me feel better about myself, Even if I KNOW it was wrong. It could have been used to show how much Arthur has grown since the first episode.
An idea I had would be Arthur saying something insensitive one time and this hurts Sue Ellen’s feelings and the rest of the episode is Arthur refusing to apologize until he understands why what he said was not okay. I think this can be a better way of showing how normally nice people can be unintentionally insensitive and might not necessarily understand the gravity of their actions right away.
6:56 “She doesn’t want to be in a class with a bully.”
Didn’t you bully Arthur in the first episode by calling him Four Eyes?
And called him a baby for not losing his baby teeth yet. I blame the writers for making Arthur like this. It would've been better if it was Francine doing it instead.
ok? so do they not have any room to talk?
@@pastorcodymitchell1456 of course they don't.
@@sarahsims6164 ok
I see this as meta-character development or maybe Francine and Muffy know the limits of teasing and going too far
Sue Ellen: Stop insulting me
Arthur: *Doesn’t and gets in trouble* WHY DIDN’T SHE TELL ME TO STOP???
"She did tell u to stop,i was there"
Us viewers like Buster: umm you did tell her to stop, we were there and watched the whole thing. Please don’t act ignorant, it’s not like you.
Arthur was completely out of character in this episode
Of all the characters to be a total scumbag to someone else, it had to be him?
I saw this and I was like “Arthur you’re a hypocrite”. He didn’t like when he was bullied for wearing glasses 🤓
They’re all out of character in the newer ones to be honest
Yeah; I was trying to wrap my head around the fact that Arthur was treating his classmates like FRANCINE treats everyone…
All of them were. Buster going along with shunning Arthur is out of character
"So Funny I Forgot to Laugh" is the worst Arthur episode ever. It's not that Arthur is detestable and unlikable in this episode. It's just that it ruined Arthur's character by demonizing him as the bully, Arthur's friends turned against him and jumped on him by giving him the silent treatment which doesn't solve the problem in the slightest and no matter the circumstances you must never do, even to a friend, making Arthur's friends extremely unlikable in the episode as them turning against Arthur and jumping on him with the silent treatment towards him were extremely unpleasant to watch since it made him feel pissed off, betrayed, ostracized and unwanted, and of course, the episode teaches a very bad moral: "tease your friends no matter what". Either Francine or Muffy or both could've been the bully in the episode due to how those two girls act and behave, but making the main protagonist Arthur as the bully?!?! (sighs and facepalms) WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?! Why would Arthur do such a thing?! It's like what have they done to you Arthur?! They really were out of their minds and were not thinking at all when they made the main protagonist Arthur as the bully. Besides, Francine was bullying Fern in the episode "Draw" and both Francine and Muffy were bullies at some points in the cartoon before, so them calling out on Arthur for bullying makes both of those girls very hypocritical. Same can be said when they refused to be anywhere near Arthur, so why would they remind Arthur that Sue Ellen is switching classes? Even Sue Ellen never did it when Binky bullied everyone. Therefore, this is why Francine and Muffy could've been the perfect role as the bully in the episode, not Arthur! I only liked the very ending part where Sue Ellen jokingly tells Arthur that her sweater on him makes him look like a mouse as it made me laugh. Other than that, the episode was awful and atrocious and it is the worst Arthur episode ever as I said before! Even Arthur's Big Hit, Play It Again, D.W., Go To Your Room D.W., D.W., Bossy Boots and Nerves of Steal were worthy of watching. I rather watch D.W.'s Very Bad Mood (and have my ears hurt by D.W.'s screaming, yelling and ranting throughout the entire episode) than watch So Funny I Forgot to Laugh! Yeah, So Funny I Forgot to Laugh?! Title name says it all as I deliberately forgot to laugh. Why? Because the episode surely isn't funny at all!
This is even more confusing: If Arthur friends are that mad at him, then they could have tell his parents (or the principal) that Arthur is bullying Sue Ellen, confront him that the sheep dogs jokes are going too and/or the "apology" or ask him to leave Sue Ellen alone
0/10.
@@racheljackson4428 Yup, definitely my rating for the episode since it ruined Arthur's character (even though I give it a 1 out of 10) cause that is showing how much "So Funny I Forgot to Laugh" is the #1 worst Arthur episode ever, hands down! I rather watch "D.W.'s Very Bad Mood" (so I can have my ears hurt by D.W.'s temper tantrum where she was screaming, yelling, and ranting throughout the episode) than watch "So Funny I Forgot to Laugh".
Funny enough, I actually had the encounter with this episode, and all I can quote is this is very unlike you, Arthur, by Mister Ratburn
@@mintychustarclan7381 What do you mean?
I grew up watching Arthur every day, and my dad would always watch with me. He’s always liked the show and has said multiple times that it’s one of his favorites. But when he saw this episode, all he could say was how Arthur would never do something like that. And I agreed! The classic Arthur we know would’ve known when to stop, they just used him as a plot device in this episode when they could’ve used multiple better characters in his place. And I get that something to take away from the episode might be something along the lines of ‘no one is perfect’ or ‘even the best of us can do bad things’, but it just didn’t come across that way for me. They really massacred our boy.
The easiest thing to fix the episode, would be make it be Muffy or Francine in the wrong. This feels like an episode written specifically for Francine's usual BS, but it was like the writers got lazy about it. Cause, there was an episode about Francine and Muffy bullying each other online, them turning on their friends for content would not be out of character and then have everyone shun them for behaving like that.
I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking that Arthur is uncharacteristically cruel for no reason in this episode, but nobody seems to bring up Sue Ellen acting very out of character as well. Isn't she supposed to be tough? She's shown before to have knowledge of martial arts and even had the courage to stand up to Binky all the way back in season 1 when he was perceived as more of a threat. Why would she just stand there and take the abuse from someone as benign as Arthur? Why doesn't she threaten to punch him the next time he taunted her with his lame sheepdog joke?
Actually what if that was the episode? Picture this: Sue Ellen is wearing a piece of clothing from another part of the world and Buster innocently makes a comment that she looks like an alien because that's in line with his character. (I know most people say Francine or Muffy would work better as the bully, and I agree, but I'm going with Buster because making jokes seems like something he would do.) The comments comments would of course start off funny (something like "Is that sweater from another from another planet? Because it's out of this world!"), but progressively get more hurtful. Eventually Sue Ellen is fed up with the jokes, but she overreacts and hits Buster in the face. Gradually, they both realize what they did wrong. Buster learns that his jokes can hurt people's feelings if he drags them out for too long or doesn't think through how he words them. Sue Ellen learns that while standing up to a bully is good, using power over someone the way she did makes her just as big a bully as the other person. The episode would end with the two reconciling. I could easily see it playing out as an improved version of Arthur's Big Hit.
Yea ur totally right! Sue ellen is supposed to be more like a tough character plus it was hinted tht she used to have a crush on arthur, so this episode was kinda outta chatacter for everyone, but yea i like ur idea! Or even francine coulvde been better for this plot
This would've been way better. Heck, a moment, with Sue Ellen and Arthur talking and him talking about how he reacted to DW breaking his plane, wouldn't be inappropriate either.
"Do you feel better after hitting him?"
"No... I don't... I feel really awful, like I'm gonna throw up."
"That's how I felt after I hit my sister. I didn't feel better, after doing it. Now... what can we do, to help fix it?"
The best character to use for this message would actually be Buster, since he’s a comedian, so why wouldn’t he take a joke too far at some point? BTW, would you consider reviewing “Play it Again, D.W.,” aka the Crazy Bus episode?
Good Point me and people in the comment section think Francine would be a better pick but I didn’t think of Buster
To be honest the extent Arthur went to is low even for a character like Binky. I think it would have worked better if they made Muffy or Francine the bully in this episode because both of them have actually went to this extent before. But yes I agree that with Arthur this is out of character because Arthur should be able to understand how it feels to be bullied since got bullied a couple of times by Francine.
Even in the early seasons I find it weird that Arthur is still friends with Francine even after all the times he's been bullied by her. Their friendship sounds toxic. Is Arthur's friendship with Francine, Muffy or even Binky supposed to be toxic kinda like Kyle continuing to be friends with Eric Cartman from South Park even though he's always making fun of Kyle being Jewish and calling him a Jew.!? 🤔
@@erikastone9183 So true because Francine bullied him twice and he still continued being friends with her. This kinda reminds me of Penny's friends from the proud family because her friends are probably the fakest friends I've seen portrayed in Television.
@@yogalover2753 At least with Arthur I can believe, that the incidents with Francine are outliers and their treated as such and when she screws up she makes it up to her friends. We can also forgive some of it, because Arthur and his friends are 8 years old and 8 year olds are not known for their wisest decisions.
@@EeveelutionStorm Yes you do have a point because kids really don't make the best decisions at that age but most kids know not to bully other kids if they're raised right and are getting proper discipline. Yes I know they're only eight years old but at that age they should know better than to bully other kids.
@@yogalover2753 Oh not excusing it. Saying it slips. Francine and Muffy should know better, unfortunately their parents spoil them just in different ways. Francine gets away with more, because her family isn't as well off as the others (like the bike incident in season 1) and Muffy gets whatever she desires by just pointing at it.
It would have been nice to see Francine bullying Arthur and finally he snaps absolutely, snaps at Francine for years of mistreatment, snaps at Muffy for her years of annoying him, snaps at his friends for betraying him and being mistreated, snaps at DW for being a pest, and snaps at his parents for hardly doing nothing when he's wronged or complicit into his torment. Arthur was bullied ruthlessly during the earlier seasons, and once Francine played a little cruel joke, it made him snap. That would have been a better episode.
Arthur would get in trouble, probably expelled, and Arthur's friends will be mad and not Arthur's friends anymore at the end and Arthur will be sad. D.w. will be happily laughing.
Mr. Ratburn. For remaining ignorant?
arthur brings a gun
Arthur did snap a few times, like in A is for Angry and Arthur's Big Meltdown.
@@STARLIGHT-DRAWS Nah maybe it would teach him a lesson about consequences of a person's actions. By the end of the episode, they make up.
I do agree with this guy. Arthur normally wouldn't bully someone like this. We don't even get any backstory as to what caused him to act like this. I mean we do understand that he was upset she couldn't "take a joke" but he doesn't really use his brain to think about why it was wrong
And Sue ellen wasn't completly innocent, she's being a snowflake and she even became vegan because of some animal BS, which is already a red flag, i'd say its 50/50
this is cleary not the good era of arthur
I don't know why, but I kind of cracked up when you called Arthur "four-eyes". The way you delivered that was just funny to me.
I know! Got me so har-…
nothing
I think Arthur wanted revenge because he was bullied for his glasses and wanted to know what it’s like to be a bully. People usually forget that people who get bullied usually become bullies themselves.
It would've made sense if Buster's joking finally went to far.
Buster winds up as a meth addict in Adult Arthur.
Actually, this is a good example of projection. They could have Ratburn talk about how being bullied can cause the victim to become a bully. Teachi😢kids about the cycle of abuse.
Or teach about how to change behavior and mend friendships in healthy way. Using his crummy apology letter as an example of what not to do
Have you seen the episode "The Last Tough Customer"? It's essentially a better version of this episode. It probably helps that it focuses on Molly, an actual bully. Coincidentally, that episode was co-written by Peter K. Hirsch, who also wrote this episode. Both episodes aired in the same week. He's also been one of the show's writers since the beginning. A least his episodes overall are usually good.
So basically the same episode aired the same week if The Last Tough Customer is a better version of So Funny I Forgot to laugh
I do agree though that The Last Tough Customer is a much better version of So Funny I Forgot to Laugh
Why does this feel like it should've been anybody BUT Arthur making fun of Sue Ellen?
Buster- hes the guy that seems to drag jokes on for quite a while and doesn't know when to dial it back
Muffy and/or Francine-Could touch on girls bullying other girls-particularly about what they wear. Muffy especially with her snobby/uptight behavior and would constantly be making jokes on the coat/sue ellen's lack of fashion, and Francine constantly instigating things/ pulling the 'its a joke. get over it'/ gaslighting the person to think theyre wrong.
Binky- go to person. Yet whenever he bullies, he's never called out for it.
Ladonna- she's still new at this point and could possibly keep making the joke to try and fit in with everyone.
Arthur, Fern, and George all could've stuck up for Sue Ellen and pointed out times they were made fun of/bullied- Arthur for his glasses and when he watched that Duck show unironically, Fern being bullied by Francine for being super quiet/people making fun of her for writing poems, and George for his constant nosebleeds and dyslexia. It just feels weird to make Arthur, the usually 'morally correct' one the bully
I personally disagree with your number one.
Yes, Arthur is normally seen to be the nice and perfect kid, but I don't think this episode was only focused on the consequences of bullying. It's also dealing with the fact that even the nicest of people can get carried away, and sometimes it can be hard for good people to admit that they're wrong, especially if they've been so absorbed in the idea that everyone thinks they're morally perfect.
While it is normally seen that good people are the ones who are able to self-reflect more, sometimes good people can take this message to heart, and sometimes feel that it means that they don't need to self-reflect, and if they don't immediately feel bad about something, then it means they're not in the wrong.
Arthur succumbed to that in this episode.
I completely agree
@cartoonistlouis773 I don't understand how you read my whole comment and came to that conclusion. The entire point is that you expect Arthur to know better, so you as the viewer are also just a surprise that's all the other characters in the episode when Arthur succumbs to being a bully.
Would the episode really have been better? If you replaced Arthur with someone like Binky? It would have turned the episode into the most basic "don't bully" plot of all time, and all the kids watching would have just raised their eyebrow and go: "for real?"
8:19 well that aged like milk.
Arthur was absolutely THE best choice for this episode (I think).
🐂 Because bullies often _don't_ see themselves as the antagonists of their own story.
🚫 And in life, the "set" that represents the bullies and the "set" that represents the bullied are not mutually exclusive, and sometimes there is intersection...
When I was in school, at times I was bullied. And at other times in my school career, I bullied other kids:
⭐From my perspective when I was the bully, I just saw it as joking.
⭐From my perspective when I was bullied, it felt like the world was collapsing in on me.
But when I was taking on the role of bully at certain points in my school career, I didn't _quite_ connect the empathy dots as I probably should have. And when someone tells you that _you're_ the villain, your mind has a really tough time processing that and goes into denial mode... and often "doubles down" just as Arthur did. After all, I was the _hero_ of my story, wasn't I?
➡I'm not sure I can stress enough, as someone who has been on both sides, this may be one of the most important episodes of _Arthur_ ... The major theme to _Arthur_ is *empathy* , and this episode explored that theme in spades.
(I kind of wish it had come out back when I was still in school.)
7:00 Also, Binky is in the same classroom with Sue Ellen, and Binky has been portrayed as a bully before, Hypocritical much, Sue Ellen?
ehhhh I get your point but emotional abuse, which can be way more damaging isn't the same as physical (and that was revolved when binky realized sue ellen could whoop him)
It wasn’t even bullying he was just laughing at her coat for way too long
@@Steven9567 it was just more of Emotional Bullying
@@pastorcodymitchell1456 And when was the last time that Binky was legitimately treated as a physical threat?
Binky hasn't been a legitimate bully for years
So basically, they made Arthur a gaslighting Karen?
Yes
Wouldn't it make more sense to have binky be the one "bullying" Sue Ellen?
Damn dude this was awesome I love when you said “hey four eyes just write the stupid letter” cause I was thinking the same thing
i think Arthur was out of character in this episode
"DW, No!"
DW: "What?"
"Sorry, Force of habit."
"Arthur, No!!"
i think she's allowed to give one tiny jab back after all of that lol
Is it or me is the animation a downgrade compared to the earlier seasons? It’s just not as appealing as the earlier seasons.
It's because it's done in Flash, but not good Flash like MLP, this is lazy Flash like in later season Fairly Oddparents and Nickelodeon's version of Winx Club.
Shades I guess that makes sense. Maybe it’s proof with this and recent Fairly Oddpatents that animators should use Flash animation better.
Arthur calls Sue Ellen a dog so much in the episode that if the show was geared towards an older audience, he might as well have called her a "bitch"
THIS EPISODE AND ARTHUR'S BIG HIT ARE 2 OF THE WORST EPISODES EVER!
This episode is actually worse than "Arthur's Big Hit". "Arthur's Big Hit" is worthy of watching than this episode. "So Funny I Forgot to Laugh" is the worst Arthur episode ever! I would rather watch "D.W.'s Very Bad Mood" than watch this atrocious episode.
Is it just me, or did episodes such as "The last tough customer" handle the topic of bullying much better than this episode?
The way it should have gone is Arthur started the jokes, a bully character got on the bandwagon. When asked to stop, Arthur backs off but the bully character doesn’t, so Arthur helps teach the lesson, rather than being the antagonist.
At the same time, schoolyard antics are the same. I got bullied a lot, but also bullied others at times. While characters/people should know better, it doesn’t mean they act better.
Sue Ellen is a cat so being called like a dog is an very big insult. Her saying he looks like a mouse is sort of like a threat because cats eat mice.
Id argue that centering this story around Arthur could’ve worked
But they took it too damn far
They already did this concept much better in earlier episodes like “Draw”
This was one of the most cringe episodes of any cartoon I’ve ever seen.
Arthur is running for as long as the Simpsons and Spongebob... that's impressive!
@Michael Phillips well family guy came out earlier in '99, like a few months before spongebob, and south park was made in '97
And the original Arthur books have been around since 1976 20 years before the the Arthur tv show.
Well, not anymore, sadly.
Are the Arthur characters aware of them being animals as wouldnt the dog characters like Fern and Binky be offended at Arthur saying “ bad Dog “ and “ Sit Stay “ ?
Shhhhhhhh
I believe when show transitioned from hand drawn to flash animation was when it lost me. Looks like a damn video game.
Same with the Simpsons. They lost so much of the artistic aspect when they switched from hand drawn cells to digital.
I was really disappointed with Arthur while watching this. In my mind I was thinking "Why did you do this? You just hurt one of your friends and you didn't know that you were bullying her. Plus, after you sent the photoshopped image of Sue Ellen with a sheepdog's head, that really fueled the fire in my belly. Now, you became a cyberbully. Its gonna be a long time before I can forgive you Arthur Read."
It feels so out of character for Arthur to tease Sue Ellen like this. Especially since the first episode of Arthur was about him being teased about his glasses. Arthur would have known what it was like to be mercilessly teased so he wouldn't do it. It honestly would have made more sense if it was it was Buster, Binky or Francine.
Not even Binky would have bullied her ruthlessly like this. Francine would have perhaps done it for a day or two but come to the realization that she needs to stop, as in Vomitrocious, you could see her regret after making fun of George's bleeding nose. Buster would make the most sense as it is common that some people who make jokes can tend to overdo it. Muffy is another alternative as she is typically less sympathetic unlike Francine.
Arthur: *wears glasses and everyone makes fun of him*
later
Sue Ellen:*wears a yak wool sweater and everyone makes fun of her*
Arthur:.... my my, how the tables have turned...
I definitely agree on this episode.
5:40 That term gets thrown around way too much just like the word incel. Also, I do not get how some show writers just, out of the blue make characters do things that contradicts their personality for plot sake and in this case, it's weird since there were other characters that fit the bully role.
Yeah, this series died for me around season 6-8.
And yes, I would expect this from Francine (who in my mind is a way worse brat than even D.W)
This is the textbook example of character assassination.
Maybe being stuck with someone like D.W. was probably starting to rub off on him at that point.
This is one of the worst episodes that I have watched. Arthur was out of character. I mean there were times he was rude, and can be a bit bossy too, like in the crunch cereal part, he wanted everyone to do things his way. This is a trait that he shares with Dw, they are bossy with each other. But he is not the type to let his jokes get out of hand. He would apologise immediately and take the blame himself, he is never the type to blame others. He is nice but not a pushover, he can be a bit tough. That is what I like about him. Even though he does act stupid sometimes, he is not always gullible, is not a scaredy cat like Buster but he is not as brave as Sue Ellen and is not as smart as the brain. He is average and a well rounded character. Still I don’t like this episode, as it shows Arthur at his worst. It would be nice if someone else was bullying Sue Ellen and Arthur defends her. That is the Arthur that I love. Nice but does not tolerate nonsense.
To be fair, 20+ years of living with D.W would of turned me into a jerk as well.
I would like to point out if Arthur , along with Charlie Brown , Double D and Meg Griffin are capable to tease someone , Sue Ellen , Jimmy , Brian and Linus , then why can’t Lincoln Loud ?
This reminds me of the time back in 6th grade, I was talking to my reading teacher privately in the hallway in the middle of class. I told her that I wanted to switch classes because I didn't wanna tolerate the constant bullying. They've been makin fun of my name, making up stories about my family, etc. Making matters worse, she ridiculed me, saying they make fun of her name all the time and I should grow up. Remember, that claim that most schools make, "bullying will not be tolerated"? They lied to you, man. Smh
Wait...... wait.... THE TEACHER SAID THAT?!
@@Misto_deVito6009 Yup. It's crazy to believe, but that's what she said
@therealog.1255 Well i hope she resigned at this point cuz aint no way in hell is she gonna compare that to you. She's SUPPOSED to ignore insults, she's a damn middle school teacher!
That’s terrible. She’s a teacher, if she had been bullied when she was young then she should protect other students. It’s her job. That teacher should be fired.You should tell your parents if the teacher doesn’t take you seriously.
“Has been bullied in the past and should know better” That’s not how that works unfortunately. My friend used to be bullied too but later on he started teasing his best friend as a joke just like Arthur did in this episode. The episode is unfortunately quite realistic
I think it can work for some people/characters, but I don’t think it works for Arthur.
The episode “Draw” not only serves as a better version of this episode, but it also demonstrates that even when given numerous opportunities to joke at a former bullies expense (that being Francine), Arthur does demonstrate some momentary self awareness to question if he’s taking his joking too far.
Agreed. Kids are MUCH smarter than this. I’ve seen some children who are morally smarter than a certain orange-skinned former president. PBS knows how smart children can be, but they clearly forgot it this time around.
People who've been victims of bullying are entirely capable of becoming bullies themselves, and usually they don't even notice. It's a scary truth about school: bullying can come from anywhere. A lot of the times they won't even realize they're a bully because they think they're just messing around, or that their target doesn't mind/is overreacting.
Arthur is so painfully out of character- it’s hard to watch. Who wrote this?
Peter K. Hirsch, who usually writes good scripts for Arthur.
Something is Charming, yet Hilarious about "Good Girls Go Bad" being played over a montage of Arthur episode clips.
I hope this isn't an odd question on my part, but have you seen the Pokemon Journeys episode Betrayed, Bothered and Beleaguered? I ask because it suffers from many of the same problems of this episode, primarily for having a good moral being put forth with the wrong character.
Such a strange episode... I kind of like that Arthur was the villain as I've always found him to be the most relatable and I feel like this is something almost everyone has gone through both as the bully and as the victim. I really like what they were going for up to him writing an apology letter. So often kids shows just left it at "if you're being bullied tell an adult". You really don't see that angle of how someone "good" can become a bully and still be unapologetic after they find out they hurt a close friend. But it's definitely something that happens.
I love Arthur, but I'd love to see a review of The Longest Eleven Minutes. Kind of surprising how Arthur didn't know what encyclopedias were.
5:38 No, that would be The Brain. #IYKYK 😉😆😅🤣😂
This episode has the same treatment as how it does with Arthur's Big Hit and Arthur's Big Meltdown.
I wish someone, or may be you @Kyle Norty, would some day do a review on these Arthur episodes in the series: Kids Are Smarter Than This
It's even harder to watch because an episode from a long time ago had the kids read Sue Ellen's diary, with one of the reveals being that she has a crush on Arthur. And looking back on how Francine treated Arthur and other characters, I now kinda ship Arthur with Sue Ellen.
Same
I thought the main character is suppose to be likeable
Not really look at the TTG titans.
Arthur was stretching it in this episode. He’s basically that loner kid that tries so hard at an old joke to stay relevant
Yeah, this episode isn’t that good. However, despite what you might think, I can kind of see Arthur being a bully as he can be a bit pompous and have a bit of an ego. There are two episodes that I know that I’m not really a fan of. One of which is Brother, Can You Spare a Clarinet where Binky gets ticked at his junky clarinet and tries to sabotage the auditions for his fellow classmates and vandalizing their instruments and still manages to get his way without any punishment whatsoever. The other is Francine and the Feline where Arthur is a total asshole to Francine all because she got a cat. He acts like this in such an obnoxious way and he never seems to learn his lesson. I’m also one of those people who likes DW mostly because I see both her and Arthur as flawed people. Anyway, good job on the video and I loved that you showed why cancelling doesn’t work.
Edit: To be clear, when I said that Arthur can be a bully, I don't mean like in this episode.
Finally someone who says these two episodes are bad, which I agree with. Binky was petty and kept switching back and forth between being a kind guy to a just a bully again. The beginning and the end proves this.
Francine and The Feline is basically anti cat propaganda, which I despise. Anti Dog or whatever animal propaganda is no better either. Just look up K9averison who is an stupid dog hating jerk.
Arthur was biased towards cats, thinking there's no good cats in real life and media. I call it bullshit. Arthur is a total hypocrite considering that Sue Ellen and Jenna are cats but are kind hearted cats as well.
I know cats can be jerks, but they can be kind hearted if you train them well and get to know them long enough to be your friend. There's some kind hearted cats in the media too. (eg. Princess Unikitty, Stimpy, Mew).
Arthur must been binge watching too much cats and dogs the movie lately (where all the cats are evil and dogs are heroes. I despise this cliche and it needs to die right now). There's some mean dogs too in real life and the media as well (eg. Ren Hoek and Mr. Pickles).
What's worse of all is that they ruined Nemo after this episode. I'm not against the Kate and Pal speak episodes but I wished Nemo could've stayed being Pal's friend instead of a mean unlikable rival. Toady or a completely different animal character should've been Pal's rival instead. That would've been much better.
Sue Ellen is a cat, she wouldn’t like to be called a dog
Yeah I hated this as Arthur would NEVER have acted like that. Besides bullying Sue Ellen for that sweater is Francine and Muffy’s alley
I kinda liked that Arthur was the one they used at first, for once HE got to shove the shit on someone else's driveway, but if that's what they had in mind, they could have made the target one of the people who originally picked on him, but yeah I saw a lot of hypocrisy in this, too much honestly
ARTHUR HAS A NOSE SIR
David:ARTHUR READ! COME DOWNSTAIRS RIGHT NOW YOU ARE IN HOT WATER RIGHT NOW!
ARTHUR:Yes?
David:did you bully sue ellen?
Arthur:No?
DAVID:TELL ME THE TRUTH RIGHT NOW!
ARTHUR:yes i did.
(David opens the door)
ALL:ARTHUR TIMOTHY READ!
DW:I cant believe you bullied sue ellen!
Buster:Yeah i thought you were my friend!
Arthur:But...
Muffy:No Buts!
Me:What happend?
Francine:Arthur bullied sue ellen.
Me:ARTHUR!
THORA:I CANT BELIEVE IT!
JANE:me too!
DAVE:ME THREE!
EMILY:ME FOUR!
LADONNA:ME five!
bud:ME SIX!
DAVID:ARTHUR I CANT BELIEVE IT YOU BULLIED SUE ELLEN MEANING SHE AND HER FAMILY IS MOVING SOMEWHERE ELSE!
ARTHUR:WHAT?! Really?
ALL:Yes!
(at sue ellens house)
Sue ellens dad:you finshed packing?
Sue ellen+mom:yes!
(At arthur house)
Ratburn:arthur me and mr haney are angry with you so you get AN F!!
ARTHUR:NOOOO!!
DW:FOR BULLYING SUE ELLEN THATS WHAT YOU GET AND THATS YOUR PROBLEM! NOT OURS!
ALL:YEAH!
DAVID:arthur for this no more TV forever NOW GO TO YOUR ROOM!!
The Arthur from early seasons would be shocked to see himself treat Sue Ellen like that.
Yeah I honestly thought bro would be mad simping
I know Arthur has a Temper but this was way too OOC, that it was just hard to watch..
Also why is Francine always the one to call rhe others mean?
In any of our favorite series, there is always one episode where the writers will dedicate it to ruin a character or make him or her act different.
Even though the episode said Arthur was bullying Sue Ellen, he was harassing her because he kept teasing her after she asked him to stop.
I stopped watching Arthur when I was about 10 or 11, the writing just seemed to recycle in every episode. But I do agree that So Funny I Forgot To Laugh and Arthur's Big Hit were some of the worst episodes ever written. At least Mister Rogers never portrayed any of the characters in a negative light.
It could’ve been worse. Sue Ellen would have told her parents about what was happening and her parents would’ve complained to the school and to Arthur’s parents and hire a lawyer to sue the school for failing to protect Sue Ellen from Arthur bullying her school officials almost not doing a thing and sue Arthurs’ parents, too.
Maybe it could've been played out like one of other kids (like Binky for instance) liked Arthur's bad joke and kept repeating it even after he apologized when Suella told him to stop. Basically, Arthur took the hint but the other character wouldn't and would keep bullying her. Arthur would be more in character and maybe he'd play a role in getting the bullying to stop. Man, the writers certainly didn't think this one through.
In an MUCH earlier episode, Sue Ellen stood up against Binky
...Why didn't she do the same thing to Arthur? (Besides the obvious fact Sue didn't expect Arthur to be so incredibly out of character and that's only to make this plot work instead of using Francine or Binky who are known bullies in this universe)
In fact, why did the other kids forget that THEY have been massive jerks towards Arthur just as much early on?
TBH, IF SOMEONE WORE THAT SWEATER IN REAL LIFE, I WOULD MAKE FUN OF THEM TOO! AND I WOULDN'T GIVE A SHIT!
I don't have to go to Mr and Prince class what is wrong with Arthur girls like Arthur is a very bad mood oh come on our first game over sensitive right and offer is overreacting right
When I saw this episode I thought it was one of the worst episodes in the show bar none, bottom 5 material at least. If this episode was written better Arthur wouldn't be the bully at all or at least not as harsh and Sue Ellen would of confronted the situation personally at some point considering she confronted Binky's bullying herself in season 1.
Instead of FU DW, FU Arthur
Silent Angelica.
Yep, that's the one I'm doing.
@@KyleNorty Funnily enough, that episode was on TV recently and yeah, that does seem like a good episode to tackle.
During the video you convinced me, but then I thought about it... Actually, it's pretty genius to have Arthur be the bad one for once. Cuz here's the thing: It's easy to characterize yourself as a good person who would never do something mean, to the point that you've blinded yourself to the hurt you've caused, simply because you've been the victim before and you weren't necessarily acting out of malice, just carelessness/selfishness. To show that everyone is capable of harm. Granted, it did feel a lil annoying that she teased Arthur back at the end, but I guess that's kinda realistic. After all that, I'd probably feel justified. Though yeeah, maybe they could have told a similar story in a more believable way for his character.
this is why the latter seasons of Arthur can have episodes that go down like lead balloons
This violates his character bible. She didn't overreact, and if I were her, I'd definitely be pissed if they kept joking about it.
Bit of a coincidence that the worst episode comes from the later seasons of Arthur
1:54 TIBETAN. Tibet is a part of China, not India.