"Turnabout" - 13 Week Theatre
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
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This week it's Steven Bochco's 1979 body-swap flop starring John Schuck and Sharon Gless.
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How does this channel not have a trillion subscribers? It’s fantastic.
Just keep liking and sharing. People who like it will find it. You did.
Between this, Holmes & YoYo, and The New Odd Couple, John Schuck has practically become the unofficial mascot for 13 Week Theatre.
Fred Silverman was a good example of the Peter Principle.He was one of the most successful programming directors ever at CBS.He moved to ABC & took that network from third to first place in the overall ratings.He moved to NBC as President of the Network,he was in over his head.
Fred Silverman is the executive for that honor.As President of NBC,he produced more lemons than all the citrus farmers in Florida and California combined.
One of the MANY sitcoms cancelled in 1979 (I think it's 35), with most debuting in the winter-spring 1979.
The 1977-78 season might have been worse: FORTY-FIVE out of NINETY-SIX shows were canceled that season, including the previously discussed Quark. Shows like Mulligan's Stew, Man from Atlantis, San Pedro Beach Bums, Logan's Run, The Sanford Arms, We Got Each Other, Sam and The Oregon Trail among many, many others could give Pab enough material until 2030, just from this season alone!
@@Quartzquiz333 BTW, if you know where to get a copy of some episodes of "We've Got Each Other" or "The Waverly Wonders", I'd LOVE to know. It seems that sort of thing might be up your alley.
@emmapeel68 I've been looking for an episode of Waverly Wonders FOREVER! We've Got Each Other is just as hard to find.
Thanks for another request coming true. By the way, I have the Cop Rock dvd series. RIP Steven 🙏
Cop Rock was amazing. It’s too bad it never got the respect it deserved
Putting anything before or after Hello Larry is a sure fire poison pill
And now he has tackled Hello, Larry.
I am always amazed at bad shows like this got on the air. It takes a lot of people to make even this kind of show. You would think someone was watching the purse strings. Thank you again for all the work you do.
I had to wonder if Fred Silverman was given complete carte blanche when NBC hired him. Wouldn't surprise me.
He pretty much was given complete Carte Blanche when he was hired by the head of RCA to turn around NBC as Fred was the TV guy and the CEO of RCA at the time did not have that background. Fred Silverman was interviewed for the Academy of Television Arts and Science Archives in 2001 where he talked about this and said anything over 100 million dollars would need the RCA CEO’s approval. The whole interview where he talks about his life and television experiences is posted in multiple parts on RUclips from the academy themselves.
@Vicleg10 I love the Television Academy Foundation interviews! I saw Bea Arthur's interviews after I saw Amanda's on this channel. I'd post the link to the channel but RUclips will delete my post. 😡
It should also be noted that RCA themselves had a lot of bad luck and stupidity going for them outside of Fred Silverman. Jimmy Carter pulling the United States out of the Summer Olympics caused NBC to lose its over 80 million dollar investment and about $170 million in ad revenues. Three dozen longtime NBC affiliates defected to ABC and CBS. RCA's 1981 attempt to compete with VHS and Ɓeta, SelectaVision, cost the company $580 million and caused RCA to be sold to General Electric. All these failures meant NBC didn't have to budget to compete with ABC or CBS. Didn't help that since RCA made more out of their investments outside of television NBC's woes weren't their biggest priority.
So nice having Winnie the Pooh narrate the intro.
"B-B-But Pooh, this idea stinks!"
I watched the Hal Roach movie of Turnabout recently. I thought it was a hoot! I actually recall watching this series when it aired! Can we request series for future episodes? ...like Norman Lear's Apple Pie (I saw two unaired episodes taped at Metromedia) or Mary, MTM's 1978 variety show with Swoosie Kurtz, Michael Keaton and David Letterman, which was exceptional, but variety shows were not in vogue at the time. Or what about a 1981 comedy series titled Open All Night. The pilot episode of that was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. No episode after that could compare.
John Schuck will always be remembered most as being the eternally outraged Klingon in Star Trek IV and VI. Didn't really know him from anything else so it's nice to see he at least had some leading roles, even if they didn't go anywhere.
I remember Holmes and YOYo
He was also in the Pippi Longstocking film, playing Tami Erin's father in that.
First to say "fuck" in a movie
@@MrMatteNWk When and in what movie?
John Schuck was also Herman Munster in The Munsters Today (1988-91).
Just discovered this channel...now a subscriber...anyway, watching a few of these and it seems like a lot of these could be remade in the binge watching world as like a 13 episode series with a committed story arc and actually be very watchable...this is not a bad premise right here
Love this channel!
Already watched on Patreon, look forward to watching again Friday! Great stuff!
great job Pab, thank u for another epiaode. hope you were able to get the furnace.
The show could not live up to that animated opening, narrated by Winnie the Pooh. Bochco, along with Paul Junger Witt, are names you see in the credits of any number of truly dreadful 70s shows, until suddenly: Industry legends by the early-mid 80s. ("Hill Street Blues" for Bochco, "Golden Girls" for Witt.)
Oh, man, Fred Silverman at NBC... How could a man lose the Midas touch like that?
When Kate Jackson guest hosted SNL, there was a running gag that Fred Silverman was still secretly working for ABC. That might explain some of his decisions at NBC. McLean Stevenson should have probably stayed on MASH. Yet he kept getting series. Hello, Larry debuted 4 months after his previous series, In the Beginning. Both were produced by Norman Lear's company. Almost every successful TV producer has had at least one flop.
2 words: Double Rush! It's essentially TAXI, but with 20-somethings on courier bikes.
John is one of those actors that seemed to always skirted between character actor and leading man throughout most of my life. A lot his work, like this and his being a robot detective, werent exactly high brow or Bob Hope/Jim Carrey (or whoever the modern equivilant is) level performances, but you knew what you were getting and that and a familiar face can sometimes be enough or even mean more.
I remember this show. I think it would have been better as a prime time cartoon. Speaking of "Dukes Of Hazzard", maybe you could do a video on the short lived spinoff show "Enos". And "Tenspeed And Brown Shoe" (Ben Vereen and Jeff Goldblum's detective sitcom..1979 or 1980).
I loved this show, too bad it didn't run long...it was ahead of it's time, a true classic indeed.
I just thought of some really awful short lived series that you could possibly do
1 Struck by Lightning
2 Best of the West
They came out about 1978. I remember the best of the west advertising campaign had mainly kids telling people how funny it was in a man on the street type of interview. So it was testmarketed mainly for kids
BEST OF THE WEST was funny as F!
At one point you start to feel back for John Schuck…
I've always thought it's weird that canned laughter is used for outdoor scenes. Are we supposed to believe there's an entire audience outside watching the scene? And that they sound exactly the same as they do in the studio?
I remember this, I thought of it as a dumbed down adult version of Big John Little John (also an NBC live action sitcom, but on Saturday Mornings) . I liked Hello Larry though.
You showed Cagney and Lacey but you did not show the version with Sharon. I think that was an actress that was later replaced by Sharon
That was Meg Foster.
Loretta Swit did the original pilot movie. No need to explain why she couldn't do the series after it got picked up.
@@Quartzquiz333 Loretta told me it actually was a disagreement with the Producer because she was transitioning out of MASH anyway.
@@michaelrochester48 Wow, thanks for the info. It was always stated that the M*A*S*H producers wouldn't let her out of her contract.
Then of course Meg Foster was ditched by Barney Rosenzweig (under pressure from CBS) because apparently the partnership between her and Tyne Daly came across as lesbian.
This premise is good for about 1 season
Steven Bochco, one of the creators of this show, would go on to create an even WORSE show for ABC in the early 1990s...but that's another story.
What?
Cop Rock?
@@amparolopez6236 Yep!
@@Quartzquiz333 hill street blues as a musical.
@@thewkovacs316 funny enough that's where the original idea came from, when people pitched Hill Street Blues to be adapted as a musical
I was nine for this one. 1st time I ever identified entertainment as bad.
The opening credits were pretty dope though.
Fred Silverman was poison for NBC.
We haven't even talked about one of his most notorious, biggest flops during his tenure there, the American adaptation of the racy Australian series Number 96. Watered down and sanitized for American television it failed VERY quickly in the U.S.
Not that much people would have seen that remake of Number 96, as it was against The Dukes of Hazzard.
@Andrew Barton Yeah, Fred had such foolish faith in that show he put it against the number nine rated show of that season. It didn't turn out well.
Limo for A Lame-O
John Schuck just seemed snakebit when it came to series television. Funny, the clips you showed were funny imo. At least they had good chemistry. But, as someone else said, how were they supposed to sustain this? Merry Christmas Pab! 🎄🎁
Fred Silverman strikes again! He tried to build an entire Friday night comedy schedule around "DIFF'RENT STROKES" with this series (and "BROTHERS AND SISTERS" and "HELLO, LARRY"). Didn't work.
"The Magic Statue" was originally released theatrically in Europe before it was syndicated to local stations.
Sinister close up of the statue.
Hello Larry should be in a future episode.
Cop Rock, Oh Boy!
"Hello, Larry" was the best of MacLean Stevenson's post-MASH TV series. He had worse!
He did Hello Larry already...it's toward the end of his big furnace fundraiser video.
@@vancedurbin1132 He never truly suffered, until he's seen an episode of "In the Beginning".
Hard to compete with those Duke Boys.
That’s the same animation from Grease!
They should of known “it’s not nice to fool with Mother Nature”
I liked this show, but the I liked John Schlick, “Magic-Coms” and TV in general. And Sharon Gless is cute.
But even then I thought it was a one-and-done kind of idea. “Bewitched” at least had a new magic spell each week.
My boy Larry!
Was that Florence Halop in that clip about having a baby?
Whenever u get a chance can u do the episode on Cop Rock n Sweepstakes? Of course 3 years later Sharon Gless would go on successfully in my favorite show Cagney & Lacey
Before Cagney & Lacey, Sharon Gless was on a CBS sitcom with Wayne Rogers called House Calls. She became the new female lead about half way into its third and final season after Lynn Redgrave was fired.
@@TMC1982Part2 I forgot about House Calls. Another 1 of my favorite shows
I want to see a Cop Rock episode.
Yes that’s a must for 13 Week!
Turn On from 1969 It’s such a historic bomb of a TV show, that it actually got canceled as it was actually being played. There’s a weird weird story about one of the most notorious TV bombs of the 60s and there needs to be an episode on that
Fred Silverman took both CBS & ABC to #1, but could not score the trifecta with NBC. The problem was he had awful taste! Big ideas like Supertrain and variety shows like Pink Lady & Jeff kept NBC in last place. The only hit show during his tenure was Different Strokes! He did work with Steven Bochco again. He gave the nod to Hill Street Blues after watching the Paul Newman film Fort Apache, the Bronx, however, that was toward the end of his time at the network.
I remember this show! I was in 7th grade I think. I thought it was funny.
How are you supposed to sustain a show with this premise? Maybe they should have resolved the body switch in the pilot and then had the show be their further misadventures with the statue.
Was wondering the same thing!
Some of these plots were not meant to last a series.
@@theedspage If I was a studio executive and I saw this pilot, I'd have said, "Put them back in the next episode. We'll call it a two-parter and then have the statue cause new mischief for the other episodes."
I guess I'm in the minority but the idea itself doesn't seem that bad. I have enjoyed several body swap stories but it's always in movies or one off episodes, a kinda think telling this type of story in long form could be interesting.
It’s great to see now but I can’t imagine someone working a 9-5 wanted to always see fancy parties in films. 2:38 They always try to look rich and never have jobs that make sense for their means.
Gless and Schuck are both capable actors, but they were undermined by unfunny writing. I watched it as a kid but a recent revisiting showed me how truly bad it was. Was surprised to see Stephen Bochco was the co-developer.
Speaking of being transgendered, when are you going to do "Ask Harriet"?
That’ll be a good one!
To think, Anthony Tyler Quinn left Boy Meets World for this!
Work It would also apply.
@Amparo Lopez So could On Our Own, featuring the Smollett siblings (Including now infamous Jussie.)
@@Quartzquiz333 He didn't leave voluntarily. And he was well paid for wearing all those tight dresses and high heels. The show was about a man who found he could make some real money dressing like a woman, and that's pretty much the position ATQ was in.
...of course turnabout is fair play.
It might have been a good TV movie, but was a bad idea for a tv series. This idea was used in sci/fi or comedies with supernatural or sci/fi themes. But only as stand alone episodes.
i liked cop rock
I remember her from Cagney and lacey and she always been a little butch to all three was good actors maybe they should have gotten queen latifah the man not they kinda had it wright maybe it was not the show it might have gotten a little bit querious
I think turnabout had a gay subtext.
They should have stopped with the pilot.
Nice seeing John Schuck shirtless, but the laugh track is overbearing.
The movie was as bad as it looks, but the TV show was good!
Premise seemed interesting but the show just comes off as shrill and plain out bad.
Oh right, do Cop Rock! I remember trying to catch every episode I could because I knew it was not going to last!
Another "intelligent" idea from NBC ceo Fred Silverman.
Pink Lady and Jeff was even worse!
Limo for a Lame-O!
@@teresapflaumer5717 this was on at about the same time as Pink Lady and Jeff, maybe a few months before.
Or even Supertrain, an expensive failure which nearly bankrupted NBC.
This was the same time when NBC debuted Supertrain, too.
it made no sense... they had the same life~!
Personally the John Wilson cartoon was the best thing on show.
This was considered worse than Dukes of Hazzard? Well, that explains America for the next 40 years!