Great job of capturing what this round actually does and how it performs with ribs. There's no doubt about the amount of thought and hard work that you put into your videos. You have some of the best shot videos on RUclips. I don't understand why people think that this round would cause a jury to do anything different than a normal HP round? They both are designed for maximum damage to stop the bad guys, which is the primary purpose of most weapons, and both are commercially available. A prosecutor may try to make a big deal out of any type ammo used or the gun that fired the round. They may even try to make the person that fired the weapon look like a crazed gunslinger.
You can always walk away from a legal battle. You cannot walk away from a coffin. This ammo is on point. Its legal, its what was on hand in a lufe or death situation. No biggie.
The best video I've ever seen on ballistic testing. This is about as realistic as it gets; a carry gun, a reasonable distance for a self-defense shoot, and most of all, a medium that simulates how the round will actually behave. I'm sure a *lot* of time went into making this video! The RIP ammo worked really well. I'm going to pick some up.
A regular hollowpoint simply expands and creates a larger temporary wound cavity. That's like saying " I want to see a 308 compared to a 9mm". There's no comparison.
you take your tests to the next level. all other channels call a round amazing or shit just from a gel test without realizing human are more than just fat or muscle. love your videos bro.
This looks like a devastating round, seems to perform as advertised. My only concern would be in a civil court the R.I.P. moniker could be portrayed very negatively to a jury.
What would be the difference of getting hit by buckshot? Self defense is self defense it’s not your fault for the tool you use and that you legally bought at a store.
That has no weight behind it in court. The whole purpose of having to go to court and be judged by the jury is someone more then likely died. Jurors are looking at the situation as to what we're the causes leading up to the shooting. Whether the shooting was justified or not. The bullet design has no affect on the situation at hand. It's all dependent if the guy was a threat or not. The only factures is of the suspect was shot in the back, how many bullets were used, was he defending himself and that was the only option to remedy the situation, scared for their lives, who started the altercation, how the shooting took place, who caused the altercation etc.
the amount of spread makes me think you could easily hit the targets heart, i dont understand the criticism, i guess people just like hating on beautiful things aim for the torso and these will apparently slide through the ribs and spread out the idea isnt to create giant channels, its to puncture vitals and it seems to be exactly what it does
Heart instant death. Brain, tons of ricochet dropped instantly. Spine will get penned from awkward angles. This is like a tiny shot gun blast AFTER it impacts. It will only have difficulty if your hitting arms and hands and ONLY forearms and hands HORIZONTAL to the point of aim (the main projectile will still kill after an arm shot) legs will clip vital arteries and supporting tendons/ligaments. I honestly don't see why people want so much armor pen, they can pen composite body armor with hollow points from a 4 inch barreled hand gun like its a good thing.
I'd be interested to see the terminal ballistic effect through a longer barrel. Like a sub200 or a high point 995. I think that would be a unique review, and cool to boot! Great vids, keep them coming!
Same test w/ more convention hollow point = Fair comparison. Lets see ribs vs. Critical Duty :) Something tells me that a lot of folks want to see how their current round of choice stacks up within the same parameters. I know I do! Excellent vids as always. Thanks.
Very nice. Only problem with rounds like this though is when a surgeon or coroner inevitably has to dig them out, not only is it very difficult but it can even cut the surgeon. Which is the real reason why the black talon was discontinued during the AIDS epidemic...
It has been done. The trocars deformed to the same angle of the windshield glass and the trocars did not deploy. So you get FMJ ballistics for 10x the price of a FMJ round.
A very thorough and well made review for me. Using the ribs has made a subscriber out of me! Although I'm sure there's been arguments over projectiles since a couple of Chinese guys got into it hundreds of years ago. lol
What about a heavy work coat, (Carhart), and see what it does. Here in the Midwest we have cold winters and lots of heavy jackets and coats. Unfortunately bad guys don't take the winter off.
The most impressive part is, that These projectiles didn't cause issues Inside the Barrel. I've Heard that they can do some damage to the gun, due to their unusual shape. ...But i am positively surprised and i onder how they would do in a PCC. ...Or even an SMG.
Sweet vid! I think it would be sweet to see if the slug would penetrate a second set of ribs. Which would be just like getting a through and through shot on a person.
How about Red Jello, In a baggy, like the Ribs. Let the Jello Set Up, and then put it in the front of the block, like the ribs. Even better example would be to put the Rib Bag, in the Front, and then the Jello bag, behind it. Demonstrating that the heart, is approximately 3 to 4 inches, behind the skin / dermis. I was thinking that the Jello, might give an example of what affect the temporary wound cavity might be. Just a thought , Thank You
Way more impressive then I thought! Pig ribs would be a lot tougher then people. I want to see car doors and windows and maybe a wall 1/2 drywall with some insulation and see how that does
It looks fancy, but four shots of hollow point would leave little left of those ribs. This ammo isn't useless, it just seems less effective than hollow points, or even jsp's.
GY6vids I think these rounds are ideal in smaller calibers making for a "most damage for least caliber" type scenario which is why they went with 9mm and .380 first ( I use these as my SDR's in my PPK ) . I have to say, if they ever made a .44 magnum version of these, I'd be the first in line to try them in my 629.
Nice one!! For practical reasons, I think you should shout through a door. After all, the intent is for self defense and more than likely, this will be used in the home. I would like to see how it works through the door, sheet rock, plaster, and/or 2x4s. The thought of ammo that can do this much but stay within a peramiter sounds great. Especially for those who live in apartments where walls are thin and most are stacked with someone else close to ya. Would luv to see some of those results.
Its been tested in windshield glass. The trocars deformed to the same angle of the windshield causing the trocars to not deploy. What is so amazing about a FMJ projectile? Those trocars didn't even deploy in this test. Those trocars don't have enough mass to retain energy to do significant damage.
If you want to really see if this round is capable of doing anything a regular hollow point can't do, make a ballistic torso with ribs, heart, and veins that pump blood, make a few of them and see which one cause the blood to pour out the fastest. While it would be incredibly difficult to do, it would be the closest thing to shooting a live target. Not to mention you would have to attempt to hit the target at the same spots every time
I really enjoy your videos, especially the ones where you do scientific research with ballistics gel. I think that a high speed camera would really improve the presentation of the data, but hey, its your channel and your work, and this is just my humble opinion, so do whatever you want in your channel, I will probably keep watching anyway.
federal HSTs and corbon dpx have big petals too, but since they stay attached to the rest of the big heavy bullet they go 14 inches instead of 4, something to think about
Your last round ricocheted through the bottom of the gel around the 12 inch mark then went out the back and probably 30 yrs back in the woods! Watch the high speed really close. LOL! That was cool! Very awesome vid bro! BTW Cleaning gel really does suck! I boil it then strain it but still cant get it really clean again!
Through a car windshield and into the gel. Would represent a decent analog for a worst case scenario of a police officer trying to stop a target driving at them.
Try building like a mini wall with Sheetrock and insulation and another piece of sheetrock with the gell behind it to see what would happen if you were to miss your target in a home defense situation. Could put all sorts of things in to like some wire or nails so you can see how it would perform if it were to hit anything on the way through.
what you want from a defensive round is penetration and permanent cavitation....the plug carries forward but the frags do virtually nothing as far as cavitation they are like splinters....painful and fast splinters but splinters nonetheless....a round like the hst that actually expands around .75 and penetrates to 13-15 inches is a 100% better choice....bc under duress you are aiming for center mass and just hoping you tag the heart or spine and the objective is BLOOD LOSS....these are bs....one of these hits a bone and it might not even break apart or even get stuck in the rib cage or a arm bone or etc....you need a sold projectile.
Synapsis You're correct blood loss is the overall goal....and coming from numerous professional forensic officers, doctors, and LEO, that have seen the tram fragmentation has on a subject, these will get the job done for sure! The extreme amount of wound channels alone will cause massive blood loss, not to mention the sheer traumatic shock that would occur would probably shut down the subjects nervous system. I have no problem with a persons opinion, but don't be a person of ABSOLUTES, its not the best way to seem "SMART." I have no issue with other PD Ammo either, PDX1, Critical Defense, HST, .....these are all great rounds to use as well. There's always more than one way to skin a cat.
GY6vids im not trying to "seem" smart, i am smart...wont bother you with why, ill just leave it at that....i can be absolute on my, yes, opinion that a round that fragments for 5 inches with tiny fragments is not going to create a better/wider wound channel than a conventional hp that expands on average from .68 to .7x of a inch....the physics and testing of this round do not lend to it being a better round than any conventional hp....there is only one frangible round i can think of that seems to perform on a consistent basis according to testing and shot statistics and thats the 9bple....and i believe itsbecause the round doesnt have a controlled 6 petal flower that only goes out 5 or so inches, that round goes in and grenades into chunks everywhere and each chunk has great penetration....the damaging effect of the rip round is the penetrating base....not the petals....the petals are too small to create a open wound channel....thats what im arguing.....
you were right about me coming off like a absolutist tho...not a good way to debate or relay info...ive noticed that from a bunch of other people lately and haaaaate it and im working on it...so thx for pointing it out.
+Synapsis You seem to forget that these bullets are designed to cause major damage and/or kill outright. Imagine you're using G2 RIP ammo. Someone breaks into your house and you fire a single round at them. Let's say you hit them in the lower shoulder or stomach area. Not a lethal shot, right? Wrong, most likely, because one of those trocar pedals is going to splinter off and probably nick the person's heart, killing them instantly, or one of them might puncture a lung. It's like having a tiny shotgun in your hand with multiple pellets upon the impact. There's nothing wrong with this G2 RIP ammunition. A single shot from it will cause devastation due to the multiple pedals breaking off, causing multiple wound channels.
SalandFindles- Right on, I can imagine two or three of those in the chest would fill your lungs up with blood so fast you would drown before you got help.
those rip bullet actually already exist for long time in Europe for 12ga shotgun. it was called the Hexolit 32 and Dupo 28 by DDupleks. those things are just insane.
I think its a great round (wish I could get the bullets separately so I can put them in my own handloads) but I think for the cost of a box I will stick with my Speed Gold Dots or even my cast hollowpoints.
RIP 96gr Projectile in 9mm through ribs vs the DRT 85gr Terminal Shock in 9mm through ribs would be outstanding. Maybe then compare to Federal HST, Speer Gold Dots, Winchester Rangers, all the more conventional loads would be great.
I agree whole heartily. They look crazy but their performance is utter shit. None of the trocars went through the ribs, the base bullet after losing all it's kinetic energy and mass is equal to a .380 . To be honest I think they're one of the worst bullets you can buy.
I personally would like to see a side by side comparison between these and the standard FMJ, hornady Vmax, and standard hollowpoint. so we have a distinct idea of how effective these are to the general ammo. maybe so people with less experience i.e. my wife, could see what would protect her better from an assailant.
Thank you! Yeah I lot of people can't stand this round....but then again there are a lot of people that don't like Ford,Dodge,or Chevy....Doesn't mean one of them doesn't work...just means it works differently in some areas then others...but performs better or worse then others in other areas. Thanks for enjoying and supporting my videos.
I'd like to see it done with a barrier in front of the gel like auto windshield glass and sheet metal ... that bullet just looks fragile to me and I wonder if it would break apart before it even got to the gel and ribs... keep up the great work and videos brother I always look forward to seeing what you come up with every week
Put this round head to head against the Liberty Ammunition Civil Defense round, the civil defense round has the same characteristics as the RIP in regards to effect on target but just doesn't look as tacti-cool. I would like to see if there is anything special about this new ammo that makes it with the coin, or if it's just something that's expensive and looks cool.
Wanted to request a 45-70 or .44 mag rifle through ballistics gel maybe ad the ribs and all that good stuff i really like your approach for your tests very neat set up and practical methods oh and one more thing i use your vids constantly for selecting ammo
What pistol was it shot out of.. Also can you test federal guard dog ammo and the... They have a lot of lighter higher velocity ammo these days.. Or maybe I ve been noticing them more? Maybe some usm4 also.. Would be really interested to see the guard dog.. Love your vids!!
Comparison Video of R.I.P. Versus halo rounds (civil defense) rounds. Same test with pork ribs. Great demonstration on this though. I'd like to see how it stacks up to the high velocity deep well hollow point though. Thanks!!!
Great video Andrew!! Don't know if you saw it but I will suggest it again, can you try shooting through a refrigerator door? The ending was just too funny XD
The few vids I have seen by Tubers I trust have mirrored your findings in this video. With all the internet buzz and its popularity, I hope this round proves to be as useful as advertised. I cannot fight the feeling that a round that performs this way will be used against a shooter in court. I am not sure why I feel that way. Eventually we will find out. GY6vids thanks for the vid. Keep doing what you do.
Although the ammo looks amazing, I admit that I feel the same way you do. I can't help but think that a prosecutor will have a fun time in court demonizing the shooter, even if the shooting was in self defense. The name of the ammo on the box will give the prosecutor all they need to push a murder conviction. I think I'm going to stick to the good old hollow point for my conceal carry ammunition.
Watch the video again That thing Explodes in a HUGE radius The gel then "comes together" because it's so elastic, and gives appearance of just a simple narrow channel. That thing Burst through the internals like a grenade
Lol on the box it says " the last round you will ever need" it should read " the only rounds that will not feed" lol that's the first thing that came to mind after seeing the box
Nice performance! I thought for sure at least a couple would fail and stop short due to hitting the bone, those things flew right on through every time! When they come out with some in .40 s&w I'll have to try some out.
I would like to see an interior door, then layered denim, then ribs. i.e. good guy on one side of the door, bad guy trying to come through on the other. That being said though, I really believe a round that expands and scatters much quicker would be better to ccw with.
If it is not too late for your testing, I would love to see this thing through a carbine. I wouldn't mind seeing what this thing does out of my Kel-Tec Sub2000.
I think the next test should be on one ballistics gel torsos with regular clothes on it similar to deadliest warrior, to see the real life trauma with the full ribs and organs.
These Should work well on a direct chest hit but what if it hits an arm or other barrier first, Need to test it through a simulated arm then ribs and then simulated heart behind the ribs , the slug might still be able to get deep enough to hit CNS but I believe the fragments will never get beyond the ribs after passing through an arm, this is why most say this round will not be as good as a bonded billet that retains all its weight even through barriers. The FBI recommended 12" is supposed to compensate for arms etc.
Suggestion: Do a head-to-head comparison with the RIP round and the classic Glaser Safety Slug round. I'd like to see what this round offers ovef the GSS round that has been available for decades.
It's already been done, the FBI has banned them from duty use for any LEA and has pleadedd with civilians not to buy it as they don't work, to carry better rounds like what LE uses. Put bluntly, this is snake oil and only idiots buy it.
How much did the main slug at the end of the wound channel weigh? If you go through the trouble of measuring weight retention on JHPs, I think that data point with this round would be much more interesting.
I'm going to be buying either a 9mm or a 380 soon and I'm definitely stocking up on RIP ammo! I would love to see a test on a ballistic gel dummy with bones.
Dont be foolish, keep in mind the trocars dont penetrate as deep in real tissue, and if the opponent stays sideways of have his arms forward this round wont penetrate well anyways. Im not like a hollowpoint fan, but for this situation its just better.
Johannes von' Strauch \Liandri_Development_Group/ Foolish is making a ridiculous comment like that! The round fragments and the fragments make separate wound channels that cause severe internal bleeding and make it almost impossible for doctors to fix. The back half of the lead continues to travel deeper into the target making its own wound channel. It is a very devastating round! If you don't think so then please feel free to volunteer as my Target and we will test out the 380 ACP, 9mm and 45 ACP on some "real tissue" and see if your theory is correct.
Hey Andrew, love the channel! Can you do a test of some new g2 research ammo? Their new civic duty ammo is similar to the RIP although it is suppose to be a maximum expansion instead of the trocars breaking off! Thx dude, keep on keeping on!
I've noticed that you often say in your ballistics gel videos that it'll be a pain cleaning the gel up. Do you reuse the gel? Regardless, I'm curious to know how you prepare it, and if you reuse it, how you do that as well. Also, in your early ballistics gel videos, you talked about home made ballistics gel. As someone who's been shooting since the age of 6, I'd be interested in knowing how to make it for my own target practice and ammo tests.
I will mail you my old Kevlar vest to test on. I haven't seen any tests done on Kevlar and especially with this ammo. If the 9mm can go through standard body armor, we've got issues.
I believe the g2 RIP now have a 12 ga variant, would be awesome to see this exact video with those rounds, interested to see if there will be over penetration, thanks!
I would like to see what those rounds will do shooting through glass. Maybe a defensive position while sitting in a car! Will it disrupt the pedal effect once it contacts auto glass?
As a former US Army Combat Medic, I can't imagine how I would treat a wound like this...JEEZ!
Whiskey and prayers
Lots of curlex?
I was cross trained as a medic. They've had frangible rounds rounds for a long time. I've used them.
You're not in time.
Probably with a band aid.
Great job of capturing what this round actually does and how it performs with ribs. There's no doubt about the amount of thought and hard work that you put into your videos. You have some of the best shot videos on RUclips.
I don't understand why people think that this round would cause a jury to do anything different than a normal HP round? They both are designed for maximum damage to stop the bad guys, which is the primary purpose of most weapons, and both are commercially available. A prosecutor may try to make a big deal out of any type ammo used or the gun that fired the round. They may even try to make the person that fired the weapon look like a crazed gunslinger.
You can always walk away from a legal battle. You cannot walk away from a coffin. This ammo is on point. Its legal, its what was on hand in a lufe or death situation. No biggie.
The best video I've ever seen on ballistic testing. This is about as realistic as it gets; a carry gun, a reasonable distance for a self-defense shoot, and most of all, a medium that simulates how the round will actually behave. I'm sure a *lot* of time went into making this video!
The RIP ammo worked really well. I'm going to pick some up.
I would like to see this compared to a regular hollow point
That was my first thought as well
A regular hollowpoint simply expands and creates a larger temporary wound cavity. That's like saying " I want to see a 308 compared to a 9mm". There's no comparison.
you take your tests to the next level. all other channels call a round amazing or shit just from a gel test without realizing human are more than just fat or muscle. love your videos bro.
Awesome video! I really like the idea of the ribs inside the gel, I think is a more realistic test. Excellent job.
Wow, indeed! You must have spent a lot of time preparing this video. Thank you very much, this was a great test of those awesome RIP rounds!!
This looks like a devastating round, seems to perform as advertised. My only concern would be in a civil court the R.I.P. moniker could be portrayed very negatively to a jury.
That's the concern I have. I suspect any court would tear somebody up (no pun intended) for useing it. It's not right, but it is what it is.
What would be the difference of getting hit by buckshot? Self defense is self defense it’s not your fault for the tool you use and that you legally bought at a store.
That has no weight behind it in court. The whole purpose of having to go to court and be judged by the jury is someone more then likely died. Jurors are looking at the situation as to what we're the causes leading up to the shooting. Whether the shooting was justified or not. The bullet design has no affect on the situation at hand. It's all dependent if the guy was a threat or not. The only factures is of the suspect was shot in the back, how many bullets were used, was he defending himself and that was the only option to remedy the situation, scared for their lives, who started the altercation, how the shooting took place, who caused the altercation etc.
the amount of spread makes me think you could easily hit the targets heart, i dont understand the criticism, i guess people just like hating on beautiful things
aim for the torso and these will apparently slide through the ribs and spread out
the idea isnt to create giant channels, its to puncture vitals and it seems to be exactly what it does
Heart instant death. Brain, tons of ricochet dropped instantly. Spine will get penned from awkward angles. This is like a tiny shot gun blast AFTER it impacts. It will only have difficulty if your hitting arms and hands and ONLY forearms and hands HORIZONTAL to the point of aim (the main projectile will still kill after an arm shot) legs will clip vital arteries and supporting tendons/ligaments.
I honestly don't see why people want so much armor pen, they can pen composite body armor with hollow points from a 4 inch barreled hand gun like its a good thing.
I'd be interested to see the terminal ballistic effect through a longer barrel. Like a sub200 or a high point 995. I think that would be a unique review, and cool to boot! Great vids, keep them coming!
They need to make RIP 50 BMG!
hahahah That would be pretty badass!
at 10 dollars a round? lol
@@Whocares05050 it would be a lot more than that. Standard rounds are $7-8 a round normally. RIP rounds would be more like $20-$25 each.
That's... asinine.
During the autopsies they’ll be mistaken as being hit by shaped charges.
For using ribs I will subscribe now.
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This video got me to push the button.
Thats was great. The ballistic gel shows it all
Yes this ammo has poor performance equal to a FMJ. Failure to deploy trocars is the same as a JHP plugging up with denim and failing to expand.
They call it RIP cause this how you end a surgeon’s career. I can only imagine this round is a surgeons nightmare!!
Same test w/ more convention hollow point = Fair comparison. Lets see ribs vs. Critical Duty :) Something tells me that a lot of folks want to see how their current round of choice stacks up within the same parameters. I know I do! Excellent vids as always. Thanks.
these shells are so incredible
remington golden saber 45 acp. 230 grain through the gel, denim and ribs
Very nice. Only problem with rounds like this though is when a surgeon or coroner inevitably has to dig them out, not only is it very difficult but it can even cut the surgeon. Which is the real reason why the black talon was discontinued during the AIDS epidemic...
eerily beautiful.
agreed!
car winshield, not side glass it would be safety glass so it would be cool to see if the laminated front glass affects its accuracy or expantion
I second that motion. I really wouldn't want to carry it, if I couldn't hit a driver bearing down on me.
It has been done. The trocars deformed to the same angle of the windshield glass and the trocars did not deploy. So you get FMJ ballistics for 10x the price of a FMJ round.
2:41 love that 2 cav bubbles :)
A very thorough and well made review for me. Using the ribs has made a subscriber out of me! Although I'm sure there's been arguments over projectiles since a couple of Chinese guys got into it hundreds of years ago. lol
I'd like to see the rip anmo vs regular quality self defense rounds. Hard to say how great they are without anything to compare them too.
What about a heavy work coat, (Carhart), and see what it does. Here in the Midwest we have cold winters and lots of heavy jackets and coats. Unfortunately bad guys don't take the winter off.
The most impressive part is, that These projectiles didn't cause issues Inside the Barrel.
I've Heard that they can do some damage to the gun, due to their unusual shape.
...But i am positively surprised and i onder how they would do in a PCC.
...Or even an SMG.
Sweet vid! I think it would be sweet to see if the slug would penetrate a second set of ribs. Which would be just like getting a through and through shot on a person.
How about Red Jello, In a baggy, like the Ribs. Let the Jello Set Up, and then put it in the front of the block, like the ribs. Even better example would be to put the Rib Bag, in the Front, and then the Jello bag, behind it. Demonstrating that the heart, is approximately 3 to 4 inches, behind the skin / dermis. I was thinking that the Jello, might give an example of what affect the temporary wound cavity might be. Just a thought , Thank You
Aww man, ya coulda cooked them with the flame thrower and fed us :)
I think car glass and say, regular house window glass, would be the real world senario...GREAT VIDS as always...Thank you
those rounds would be a doctors nightmare!! ouch!! can you imagine??!! actually now I can, thanks to you!! lol awesome video!!
Way more impressive then I thought! Pig ribs would be a lot tougher then people. I want to see car doors and windows and maybe a wall 1/2 drywall with some insulation and see how that does
It looks fancy, but four shots of hollow point would leave little left of those ribs. This ammo isn't useless, it just seems less effective than hollow points, or even jsp's.
They do what they are designed for....minimal over penetration with maximum kinetic energy dump.
GY6vids I think these rounds are ideal in smaller calibers making for a "most damage for least caliber" type scenario which is why they went with 9mm and .380 first ( I use these as my SDR's in my PPK ) . I have to say, if they ever made a .44 magnum version of these, I'd be the first in line to try them in my 629.
Nice one!! For practical reasons, I think you should shout through a door. After all, the intent is for self defense and more than likely, this will be used in the home. I would like to see how it works through the door, sheet rock, plaster, and/or 2x4s. The thought of ammo that can do this much but stay within a peramiter sounds great. Especially for those who live in apartments where walls are thin and most are stacked with someone else close to ya.
Would luv to see some of those results.
perhaps see what the 9mm does through a wall or car door,or a windshield. the round definiatly performs amazingly
Its been tested in windshield glass. The trocars deformed to the same angle of the windshield causing the trocars to not deploy. What is so amazing about a FMJ projectile? Those trocars didn't even deploy in this test. Those trocars don't have enough mass to retain energy to do significant damage.
If you want to really see if this round is capable of doing anything a regular hollow point can't do, make a ballistic torso with ribs, heart, and veins that pump blood, make a few of them and see which one cause the blood to pour out the fastest. While it would be incredibly difficult to do, it would be the closest thing to shooting a live target. Not to mention you would have to attempt to hit the target at the same spots every time
Talk about devastating! First round of the three round chain blew his pants off.
I really enjoy your videos, especially the ones where you do scientific research with ballistics gel. I think that a high speed camera would really improve the presentation of the data, but hey, its your channel and your work, and this is just my humble opinion, so do whatever you want in your channel, I will probably keep watching anyway.
A well thought out and executed test. Good stuff.
federal HSTs and corbon dpx have big petals too, but since they stay attached to the rest of the big heavy bullet they go 14 inches instead of 4, something to think about
Your last round ricocheted through the bottom of the gel around the 12 inch mark then went out the back and probably 30 yrs back in the woods! Watch the high speed really close. LOL! That was cool! Very awesome vid bro! BTW Cleaning gel really does suck! I boil it then strain it but still cant get it really clean again!
I love the fly that is just trying to get at those ribs.
just got some of these rounds glad to see some quality tests
Through a car windshield and into the gel. Would represent a decent analog for a worst case scenario of a police officer trying to stop a target driving at them.
Try building like a mini wall with Sheetrock and insulation and another piece of sheetrock with the gell behind it to see what would happen if you were to miss your target in a home defense situation. Could put all sorts of things in to like some wire or nails so you can see how it would perform if it were to hit anything on the way through.
Fantastic video Andrew. One of the better I've seen in a while!
Thank you...glad you all are enjoying it. I hope this gives you all a better idea of how this round performs.
what you want from a defensive round is penetration and permanent cavitation....the plug carries forward but the frags do virtually nothing as far as cavitation they are like splinters....painful and fast splinters but splinters nonetheless....a round like the hst that actually expands around .75 and penetrates to 13-15 inches is a 100% better choice....bc under duress you are aiming for center mass and just hoping you tag the heart or spine and the objective is BLOOD LOSS....these are bs....one of these hits a bone and it might not even break apart or even get stuck in the rib cage or a arm bone or etc....you need a sold projectile.
Synapsis You're correct blood loss is the overall goal....and coming from numerous professional forensic officers, doctors, and LEO, that have seen the tram fragmentation has on a subject, these will get the job done for sure! The extreme amount of wound channels alone will cause massive blood loss, not to mention the sheer traumatic shock that would occur would probably shut down the subjects nervous system.
I have no problem with a persons opinion, but don't be a person of ABSOLUTES, its not the best way to seem "SMART." I have no issue with other PD Ammo either, PDX1, Critical Defense, HST, .....these are all great rounds to use as well. There's always more than one way to skin a cat.
GY6vids im not trying to "seem" smart, i am smart...wont bother you with why, ill just leave it at that....i can be absolute on my, yes, opinion that a round that fragments for 5 inches with tiny fragments is not going to create a better/wider wound channel than a conventional hp that expands on average from .68 to .7x of a inch....the physics and testing of this round do not lend to it being a better round than any conventional hp....there is only one frangible round i can think of that seems to perform on a consistent basis according to testing and shot statistics and thats the 9bple....and i believe itsbecause the round doesnt have a controlled 6 petal flower that only goes out 5 or so inches, that round goes in and grenades into chunks everywhere and each chunk has great penetration....the damaging effect of the rip round is the penetrating base....not the petals....the petals are too small to create a open wound channel....thats what im arguing.....
you were right about me coming off like a absolutist tho...not a good way to debate or relay info...ive noticed that from a bunch of other people lately and haaaaate it and im working on it...so thx for pointing it out.
+Synapsis You seem to forget that these bullets are designed to cause major damage and/or kill outright. Imagine you're using G2 RIP ammo. Someone breaks into your house and you fire a single round at them. Let's say you hit them in the lower shoulder or stomach area. Not a lethal shot, right? Wrong, most likely, because one of those trocar pedals is going to splinter off and probably nick the person's heart, killing them instantly, or one of them might puncture a lung. It's like having a tiny shotgun in your hand with multiple pellets upon the impact. There's nothing wrong with this G2 RIP ammunition. A single shot from it will cause devastation due to the multiple pedals breaking off, causing multiple wound channels.
SalandFindles- Right on, I can imagine two or three of those in the chest would fill your lungs up with blood so fast you would drown before you got help.
those rip bullet actually already exist for long time in Europe for 12ga shotgun.
it was called the Hexolit 32 and Dupo 28 by DDupleks.
those things are just insane.
Also try a bedroom or closet door. Not talking a metal or a solid hardwood, just your typical interior door.
It almost looked like an art piece after the last 3 shots hahaha
I think its a great round (wish I could get the bullets separately so I can put them in my own handloads) but I think for the cost of a box I will stick with my Speed Gold Dots or even my cast hollowpoints.
I found out a few days after you last video that them rounds are made 30min away from me thought that was pretty cool , anyway sweet video as always
I really like the rib test more accurate than just gel
RIP 96gr Projectile in 9mm through ribs vs the DRT 85gr Terminal Shock in 9mm through ribs would be outstanding. Maybe then compare to Federal HST, Speer Gold Dots, Winchester Rangers, all the more conventional loads would be great.
these rounds looks crazy but i rather stick to gold dots and federal HST
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well both rounds hst and gd suck go with liberty magsafe or rip
I agree whole heartily. They look crazy but their performance is utter shit. None of the trocars went through the ribs, the base bullet after losing all it's kinetic energy and mass is equal to a .380 . To be honest I think they're one of the worst bullets you can buy.
why isn't Danielle doing videos?
ThatUJohnWayne none of the trocars went through the ribs? Were we watching the same video?
I personally would like to see a side by side comparison between these and the standard FMJ, hornady Vmax, and standard hollowpoint. so we have a distinct idea of how effective these are to the general ammo. maybe so people with less experience i.e. my wife, could see what would protect her better from an assailant.
Even if no one likes this round for SD it is still cool too see the test videos
Thanks and keep them coming
Thank you! Yeah I lot of people can't stand this round....but then again there are a lot of people that don't like Ford,Dodge,or Chevy....Doesn't mean one of them doesn't work...just means it works differently in some areas then others...but performs better or worse then others in other areas.
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Test them through all of the FBI test barriers: bare gel, denim, auto glass, plywood, drywall, sheet metal.
I'd like to see it done with a barrier in front of the gel like auto windshield glass and sheet metal ... that bullet just looks fragile to me and I wonder if it would break apart before it even got to the gel and ribs... keep up the great work and videos brother I always look forward to seeing what you come up with every week
Car door, wood, metal, glass tests are coming....STAY TUNED!
Your vids are always fantastic! Id still say nothing can beat a good ole JHP , maybe im just old fashiones
Put this round head to head against the Liberty Ammunition Civil Defense round, the civil defense round has the same characteristics as the RIP in regards to effect on target but just doesn't look as tacti-cool. I would like to see if there is anything special about this new ammo that makes it with the coin, or if it's just something that's expensive and looks cool.
Looks like a devastating round. I bet those ribs smell awesome...lol!
I still prefer the Federal Tactical HST Hollow Points
Wanted to request a 45-70 or .44 mag rifle through ballistics gel maybe ad the ribs and all that good stuff i really like your approach for your tests very neat set up and practical methods oh and one more thing i use your vids constantly for selecting ammo
Holy crap dude! I'm impressed can't wait till .40 s&w nice job as always!
Couch, garbage can, car door, auto glass, washing machine, kitchen table, dry wall, pillows, etc... anything people can hide behind, or at least try
through a car window....into a bag of skittles..:P
What pistol was it shot out of.. Also can you test federal guard dog ammo and the... They have a lot of lighter higher velocity ammo these days.. Or maybe I ve been noticing them more? Maybe some usm4 also.. Would be really interested to see the guard dog.. Love your vids!!
Comparison Video of R.I.P. Versus halo rounds (civil defense) rounds. Same test with pork ribs. Great demonstration on this though. I'd like to see how it stacks up to the high velocity deep well hollow point though. Thanks!!!
R.i.p ammo I gotta go get me some soon ... Nice vid
Great video Andrew!! Don't know if you saw it but I will suggest it again, can you try shooting through a refrigerator door? The ending was just too funny XD
The few vids I have seen by Tubers I trust have mirrored your findings in this video. With all the internet buzz and its popularity, I hope this round proves to be as useful as advertised. I cannot fight the feeling that a round that performs this way will be used against a shooter in court. I am not sure why I feel that way. Eventually we will find out. GY6vids thanks for the vid. Keep doing what you do.
Although the ammo looks amazing, I admit that I feel the same way you do. I can't help but think that a prosecutor will have a fun time in court demonizing the shooter, even if the shooting was in self defense. The name of the ammo on the box will give the prosecutor all they need to push a murder conviction. I think I'm going to stick to the good old hollow point for my conceal carry ammunition.
GunsGearN Freedom Thanks for the comment. Another thing I haven't seen is how accurate the rounds are at different distances.
Watch the video again
That thing Explodes in a HUGE radius
The gel then "comes together" because it's so elastic, and gives appearance of just a simple narrow channel.
That thing Burst through the internals like a grenade
This is awesome, Man! Keep doing what you're doing! CAR DOORS WOULD BE AWESOME TO SHOOT AT! :D
Lol on the box it says " the last round you will ever need" it should read " the only rounds that will not feed" lol that's the first thing that came to mind after seeing the box
Nice performance! I thought for sure at least a couple would fail and stop short due to hitting the bone, those things flew right on through every time! When they come out with some in .40 s&w I'll have to try some out.
I would like to see an interior door, then layered denim, then ribs. i.e. good guy on one side of the door, bad guy trying to come through on the other. That being said though, I really believe a round that expands and scatters much quicker would be better to ccw with.
If it is not too late for your testing, I would love to see this thing through a carbine. I wouldn't mind seeing what this thing does out of my Kel-Tec Sub2000.
AWSOME video brother. I would like to see some guard dog ammo action. Sharing your vids till the end man. Gy6
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Would love to see you test Underwood ammo, 9mm bonded +P+ jhp. 115gr, 124gr, 147gr on your unique ballistic gel rib test.
I think the next test should be on one ballistics gel torsos with regular clothes on it similar to deadliest warrior, to see the real life trauma with the full ribs and organs.
Should be a plate carrier ontop
These Should work well on a direct chest hit but what if it hits an arm or other barrier first, Need to test it through a simulated arm then ribs and then simulated heart behind the ribs , the slug might still be able to get deep enough to hit CNS but I believe the fragments will never get beyond the ribs after passing through an arm, this is why most say this round will not be as good as a bonded billet that retains all its weight even through barriers. The FBI recommended 12" is supposed to compensate for arms etc.
Shoot it through some auto glass and through normal single or double pain window to show the effectiveness of the round through those two.
Suggestion: Do a head-to-head comparison with the RIP round and the classic Glaser Safety Slug round. I'd like to see what this round offers ovef the GSS round that has been available for decades.
You should do a test comparing the R.I.P rounds against standard JHP ammo. A comparison would be good to see.
It's already been done, the FBI has banned them from duty use for any LEA and has pleadedd with civilians not to buy it as they don't work, to carry better rounds like what LE uses. Put bluntly, this is snake oil and only idiots buy it.
Fly be like..lemme at it, lemme at it. Gimme dem poak reibs.
How much did the main slug at the end of the wound channel weigh? If you go through the trouble of measuring weight retention on JHPs, I think that data point with this round would be much more interesting.
That seems to be a very dangerous and useful bullet, although I could see someway of mass producing this in the near future
I'm going to be buying either a 9mm or a 380 soon and I'm definitely stocking up on RIP ammo! I would love to see a test on a ballistic gel dummy with bones.
Dont be foolish, keep in mind the trocars dont penetrate as deep in real tissue, and if the opponent stays sideways of have his arms forward this round wont penetrate well anyways. Im not like a hollowpoint fan, but for this situation its just better.
Johannes von' Strauch \Liandri_Development_Group/ ... so pork ribs are not 'real tissue'?
Johannes von' Strauch \Liandri_Development_Group/ Foolish is making a ridiculous comment like that! The round fragments and the fragments make separate wound channels that cause severe internal bleeding and make it almost impossible for doctors to fix. The back half of the lead continues to travel deeper into the target making its own wound channel. It is a very devastating round! If you don't think so then please feel free to volunteer as my Target and we will test out the 380 ACP, 9mm and 45 ACP on some "real tissue" and see if your theory is correct.
Great video brother....MERICA!!!!
Through drywall with gel behind it like in a home defense scenario.
Hey Andrew, love the channel! Can you do a test of some new g2 research ammo? Their new civic duty ammo is similar to the RIP although it is suppose to be a maximum expansion instead of the trocars breaking off! Thx dude, keep on keeping on!
I've noticed that you often say in your ballistics gel videos that it'll be a pain cleaning the gel up. Do you reuse the gel? Regardless, I'm curious to know how you prepare it, and if you reuse it, how you do that as well. Also, in your early ballistics gel videos, you talked about home made ballistics gel. As someone who's been shooting since the age of 6, I'd be interested in knowing how to make it for my own target practice and ammo tests.
I will mail you my old Kevlar vest to test on. I haven't seen any tests done on Kevlar and especially with this ammo. If the 9mm can go through standard body armor, we've got issues.
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pig skull! great vid
I believe the g2 RIP now have a 12 ga variant, would be awesome to see this exact video with those rounds, interested to see if there will be over penetration, thanks!
Damn good demo bro, thanks! I'll be happy to carry that in my 40 after seeing that!
You're an idiot if you carry these. Google is your friend...
Super vid Andrew :) Them bullets preform perfect :D The best home defense loads I have ever seen !!! Thumbs up :D Great test for sure :)
Seams to light for caliber and I worry how these cartridges will cycle but they do seam devastating.
I would like to see what those rounds will do shooting through glass. Maybe a defensive position while sitting in a car! Will it disrupt the pedal effect once it contacts auto glass?