Manual transmission w/ clutch is symbolic for a time in the sport's racing where driving these cars was like bucking a wild horse. Truly majestic watching these guys onboard doing their thing. Cars from that time had a certain character that will never be seen again.
In my mind Schumacher's "record" doesn't look so impressive next to Jim Clark's record either. Ayrton Senna considered him the best there has ever been. Many consider the legendary Tazio Nuvolari the best driver ever. But yes, it's hard to get around the fact that Fangio won 5 titles in 7 seasons, and 24 wins out of 51 starts (which is a 47% win ratio nobody has beaten). Oh, and Fangio was in his 40's when he won these titles, beating drivers in their 20's. Moss was 18 years his junior...
I've been watching F1 since the late 80s. I can name most circuits from a corner or a pit straight but there is nothing familiar about this circuit. I've just compared today's qualifying. It's exactly the same layout and yet nothing is familiar. It's like watching a new circuit every year.
I love how we progress over the years. I grew up watching GT's and the 24 hr races but in the mid 90's I fell in love with F1. The shifting -- and one hand on the wheel, way to much going on in the seat.
This is the exact reason why i consider Fangio to have been the greatest driver to have ever lived. Schumachers record means nothing to me. He didnt beat Fangios records, the auto companies did.
That engine sound is incredible, woow. The Hungaroring was a hard circuit to pass on and they made it a bit easier by changing corner 3 from the older races, which had a few more turns.
@mrsiCkstar Yeah its fair enough. Its hard to tell in the vid as the shifting is ridiculously fast and the throws on the gear shift are extremely short.
@gotmewrong93 There is nothing manual about that transmission. It's a sequential box, they just use a stick instead of the paddles. Ferrari started using the paddles as early as '89.
A good mix could be: The close competition we have today time wise! Both between drivers and teams! Also keeping the very high cornering speeds and braking ability of today! Then mix it with the super cool look of the especially early 90s cars! Bring back the flat floors with the low ride height and hence the SPARKS! (If it could be made safer) Then at last, some larger displacement, but lower reving engines with a deeper, meaner sound! And maybe more points for a victory?!
Does anyone know how the clutch was used back then? I mean do they clutch on every gear, upshift / downshift, is known that on certain revs you can shift gear with no clutch, manual f1 was just insane.
There is a pedal cam somewhere of Ukyo Katayama around this time. He was using the clutch pedal for every up shift and heel-toe down shifting. However the did skip shifts on the down changes.
With a dog engagement racing transmission, you can use the clutch or not on upshifts or downshifts with the caveat that non-clutch shifting requires precise matching of engine speeds with vehicle speeds to prevent gearbox damage. Because of this, I believe many drivers during the manual gearbox period used the clutch to varying degrees, particularly during downshifts, as a means to allow slight imprecision in the rev matching process without breaking the gearbox. Using the clutch increased gearbox reliability during race weekends.
@r66chs semi-automatic gearbox,active suspension,traction control,start control were all electronics gizmos used by the cars of that era!lets be realistic here,driving an F1 car of any era is not a stroll in the park.nowadays they have more grip because of the extra downforce the cars produce,but in no way any computer does the driving.
Every era has their own charms! And the many great things about F1 years ago, does not in any way contradict that there should be many great things todaywhich there are indeed! But A LOT of people sadly seems to think so! We have just had some of the closest seasons everjust think of 07/08! 3 and 2 drivers with in 1 point from the WC! And yet people claim non-stop that F1 where much closer back when bla bla bla! And todays drivers is all is just bla bla bla!
Finally a sane person who appreciates, every era in F1 for what they are, and their differences! Usually its: the old days where ALWAYS much better, and ALL driver today are imbeciles who would never have lasted 30 years ago (despite they have carted before they could walk, and know pull gs that would rip the head of most people, sitting so low in the car that almost all corners are now blindyep thats a walk in the park!!!).....
The quick rise in RPM during the downshifts are the result of a manual throttle blip during heel and toe. This actually is more gentle on the engine among other benefits.
@r66chs Wouldn't the extra downforce make it harder to drive due to higher cornering speeds therefore greater force on the drivers?? I would personally say the drivers of today are greater than ever with more training than ever before available to them its really impossible to say that one era of driver is better than another without like for like comparrisons. I admire both
no downforce in this era. its 95% mechanical grip. and yes modern f1 cars are way faster around this track. but also those old cars were much more difficult to drive because of the lack of power steering. imagine moving 12 inch wide front wheels without power steering for nearly one hour!
What computers? The computers they use today is just to analyze the car performances. Unlike in 1993 where computers really take almost the whole control of the car.
How to make F1 exciting again: 1. Bring back the V10s and V12s!!! 2. Remove all those computer gadgets, they just make the sport artificial. 3. Did I say bring back the V10s and V12s?
@Malinth66 V10 andV12 were at the limit. nothing new to developed. with V4 turbo F1 and AERO, times per lap will be same as now. F1 car is not about engine. engines are the same these days, as said marc gallagher from cosworth.. F1 is about technologies. KERS and aero, is the way.
Not gonna make any of those overused oLd F1 wAs BeTtEr but damn that honda was quick i wish the current red bull honda will be the world champion like mclaren and honda in the late 80s-early 90s
Don't get me wrong here. Not saying Schumacher is bad, merely that his impressive stats don't tell the whole story. While Prost had 5 champion team mates (Lauda,Rosberg,Senna,Mansell,Hill) and beat all of them, Schumacher had none (most hadn't even won a race before joining the team) and enjoyed a car advantage, with a whole team built solely around him, and even Bridgestone tyres tailored to suit the Ferrari (ask the other teams what they thought of that, no wonder they switched to Michelin).
In my mind Schumacher was a manufactured winner Ecclestone and Mosley created to make 90 million Germans watch F1 (which they didn't watch at all prior to this) and make countless of Ferrari fans around the world happy. When Senna was dead, there was a void and that meant "money lost" for Ecclestone. This way he got away with hand picked number two team mates and questionable antics on the track. But the 2010-2012 seasons has proved what I always suspected. He is no Fangio for sure.
love the fact that is a MANUAL GEARSHIFT on an F1 car,
not anymore....
Back in the 50s formula 1 cars had front engine rear wheel drive configurations, they definitely didn't looks like carts and had no wings
Manual transmission w/ clutch is symbolic for a time in the sport's racing where driving these cars was like bucking a wild horse. Truly majestic watching these guys onboard doing their thing. Cars from that time had a certain character that will never be seen again.
This is a really effective way to word the way I feel regarding the cars of this era as well.
I would like to learn to drive this mclaren, impossible dream😅🥹
3.5 liter v12's manual transmission. just listen to those heal and toe downshifts! real old school good days = )
Ahmet Douas 👍
WHEN REAL MAN DROVE F1 CARS, BRING THESE CARS BACK!
Exceptionally smooth driving and gear-changing by a great all-around driver.
best sound in F1 EVER!!! Honda V12 power. How I long for those days.
In my mind Schumacher's "record" doesn't look so impressive next to Jim Clark's record either. Ayrton Senna considered him the best there has ever been.
Many consider the legendary Tazio Nuvolari the best driver ever.
But yes, it's hard to get around the fact that Fangio won 5 titles in 7 seasons, and 24 wins out of 51 starts (which is a 47% win ratio nobody has beaten). Oh, and Fangio was in his 40's when he won these titles, beating drivers in their 20's. Moss was 18 years his junior...
dont forget that senna sadly never saw schumacher in his era of domination... but yes I agree, Jim Clark was brilliant
Honda V12 i love it
I've been watching F1 since the late 80s.
I can name most circuits from a corner or a pit straight but there is nothing familiar about this circuit. I've just compared today's qualifying. It's exactly the same layout and yet nothing is familiar.
It's like watching a new circuit every year.
look at the high kerbs! i like that, no chance to cutting or making advantage.
Awesome vid, love the sound of that engine.
I love how we progress over the years. I grew up watching GT's and the 24 hr races but in the mid 90's I fell in love with F1. The shifting -- and one hand on the wheel, way to much going on in the seat.
This is the exact reason why i consider Fangio to have been the greatest driver to have ever lived. Schumachers record means nothing to me. He didnt beat Fangios records, the auto companies did.
The sound is awesome!
That engine sound is incredible, woow. The Hungaroring was a hard circuit to pass on and they made it a bit easier by changing corner 3 from the older races, which had a few more turns.
Honda v12 best sound ever:)
awesome quality!
Sound, sound!
@mrsiCkstar Yeah its fair enough. Its hard to tell in the vid as the shifting is ridiculously fast and the throws on the gear shift are extremely short.
@mrsiCkstar It looks like he's using a h pattern. Maybe he's shifting without the clutch on upshifts but it still seems like a manual box.
@gotmewrong93 There is nothing manual about that transmission. It's a sequential box, they just use a stick instead of the paddles. Ferrari started using the paddles as early as '89.
A good mix could be:
The close competition we have today time wise! Both between drivers and teams!
Also keeping the very high cornering speeds and braking ability of today!
Then mix it with the super cool look of the especially early 90s cars!
Bring back the flat floors with the low ride height and hence the SPARKS! (If it could be made safer)
Then at last, some larger displacement, but lower reving engines with a deeper, meaner sound!
And maybe more points for a victory?!
Does anyone know how the clutch was used back then? I mean do they clutch on every gear, upshift / downshift, is known that on certain revs you can shift gear with no clutch, manual f1 was just insane.
bigdaddy junior they used a lot of heel and toe on downshifting and Double clutch on some gears
There is a pedal cam somewhere of Ukyo Katayama around this time. He was using the clutch pedal for every up shift and heel-toe down shifting. However the did skip shifts on the down changes.
With a dog engagement racing transmission, you can use the clutch or not on upshifts or downshifts with the caveat that non-clutch shifting requires precise matching of engine speeds with vehicle speeds to prevent gearbox damage. Because of this, I believe many drivers during the manual gearbox period used the clutch to varying degrees, particularly during downshifts, as a means to allow slight imprecision in the rev matching process without breaking the gearbox. Using the clutch increased gearbox reliability during race weekends.
Theres no dog transmission yet in 1991 lol
I agree. Great point..
What a sound.
Thanks for the info... I sud do more research ;p
hungaroaring!
@420Vali You're right, sorry. I checked and only Williams and Ferrari used a sequential semi automatic in 1991.
Una vuelta con berger cuanto todavia tenian palanca de cambios manual
@r66chs yo, do u remeber how many liters that v12 was. i know v8 2.4l and v10 3.0l but i dont remeber them using v12s.
@r66chs semi-automatic gearbox,active suspension,traction control,start control were all electronics gizmos used by the cars of that era!lets be realistic here,driving an F1 car of any era is not a stroll in the park.nowadays they have more grip because of the extra downforce the cars produce,but in no way any computer does the driving.
1:50 And here comes the DRS..........oh wait LOL
@r66chs they didnt use clutch, it was sequental i think.
I can watch this all day....a perfect example of just how hard F1 is and was- by the end of the first lap, berger is nowhere.
Berger keeps overrevving that engine, no wonder he had so many DNFs that year
checkout the sparks at 51 seconds in
Every era has their own charms! And the many great things about F1 years ago, does not in any way contradict that there should be many great things todaywhich there are indeed!
But A LOT of people sadly seems to think so!
We have just had some of the closest seasons everjust think of 07/08! 3 and 2 drivers with in 1 point from the WC! And yet people claim non-stop that F1 where much closer back when bla bla bla! And todays drivers is all is just bla bla bla!
Finally a sane person who appreciates, every era in F1 for what they are, and their differences!
Usually its: the old days where ALWAYS much better, and ALL driver today are imbeciles who would never have lasted 30 years ago (despite they have carted before they could walk, and know pull gs that would rip the head of most people, sitting so low in the car that almost all corners are now blindyep thats a walk in the park!!!).....
3.5 v12 1991!!!!! yeah biggest times
biggest motors engines
agreed
Those downshifts are brutal! How did the engine stay in place ?
That is what I was wondering watching this
Ahmet Douas heel and toe
Ahmet Douas he is not only downshifting
The quick rise in RPM during the downshifts are the result of a manual throttle blip during heel and toe. This actually is more gentle on the engine among other benefits.
Because Honda ;)
確かにセナに比べてオーバーレブしやすいシフトだな
@r66chs Wouldn't the extra downforce make it harder to drive due to higher cornering speeds therefore greater force on the drivers?? I would personally say the drivers of today are greater than ever with more training than ever before available to them its really impossible to say that one era of driver is better than another without like for like comparrisons. I admire both
no downforce in this era. its 95% mechanical grip. and yes modern f1 cars are way faster around this track. but also those old cars were much more difficult to drive because of the lack of power steering. imagine moving 12 inch wide front wheels without power steering for nearly one hour!
What computers?
The computers they use today is just to analyze the car performances.
Unlike in 1993 where computers really take almost the whole control of the car.
How to make F1 exciting again:
1. Bring back the V10s and V12s!!!
2. Remove all those computer gadgets, they just make the sport artificial.
3. Did I say bring back the V10s and V12s?
@r66chs Clearly you haven't been keeping up with the times.
They were magnesium.
i'dd kill to test this car only few hours ! xD
Eles colocaram o motor pra gritar com reduções .... Imagino que para não ter que trocar marcha perto da curva e, quem sabe, pouoar freio...
goodsound HONDA-V12
@Malinth66 V10 andV12 were at the limit. nothing new to developed. with V4 turbo F1 and AERO, times per lap will be same as now.
F1 car is not about engine. engines are the same these days, as said marc gallagher from cosworth..
F1 is about technologies. KERS and aero, is the way.
> 1991 McLaren MP4/6
> Honda RA121-E V-12
Berger was off the pace there!🤔
Howling engine,manuel shift!😁😅
Looks like 1992
These sound like like real f1s and also like ferarri engines not like f1s today with agressively screaming engines
Look up on youtube Lewis Hamilton on F1 wheel.
Not gonna make any of those overused oLd F1 wAs BeTtEr but damn that honda was quick i wish the current red bull honda will be the world champion like mclaren and honda in the late 80s-early 90s
But old F1 was better. Thus it's not overused.
@@emankcin1701 "Not overused"
BULLSHIT
my bad. I am an idiot.
Don't get me wrong here. Not saying Schumacher is bad, merely that his impressive stats don't tell the whole story.
While Prost had 5 champion team mates (Lauda,Rosberg,Senna,Mansell,Hill) and beat all of them, Schumacher had none (most hadn't even won a race before joining the team) and enjoyed a car advantage, with a whole team built solely around him, and even Bridgestone tyres tailored to suit the Ferrari (ask the other teams what they thought of that, no wonder they switched to Michelin).
@r66chs v10
Nothing to see here. Just some casual driving in a Honda street car.
@r66chs
F1 cars of 1991 probably had more computers doing things than F1 cars of today.
In my mind Schumacher was a manufactured winner Ecclestone and Mosley created to make 90 million Germans watch F1 (which they didn't watch at all prior to this) and make countless of Ferrari fans around the world happy. When Senna was dead, there was a void and that meant "money lost" for Ecclestone.
This way he got away with hand picked number two team mates and questionable antics on the track.
But the 2010-2012 seasons has proved what I always suspected. He is no Fangio for sure.
I'm sure that was V10
ベルガーオーバレブ多すぎ
そりゃセナよりエンジントラブルによるリタイアが多くなるわけだ
Throw one of the hermaphroditic F1 drivers of today into to something like this...my god how the sport has degenerated
What's this ?! A F1 circuit with grass & gravel??
We need to bring back punishment for mistakes!
3rd rate track layout.
A street circuit...with run off areas...😂