The Knipex are the needlenose I carry in my pouch, but they're not the only ones I keep on my truck - exactly because they flex so much. I've found it to be a problem in some rare situations where you need leverage deep down where only needlenose pliers can go, and the Knipex tips deflect so much that the tool falls off the item you're turning (for instance trying to tighten a locknut at the back of a deep box). During twisting I would say the deflection can be up to 1/2" or more which is pretty extreme. Still, they're a great tool!
38-15-200 if you prefer the version with comfort grips. The first two digits are the pliers model, second two digits are the grip version and the last group is the length of the grips in mm.
As an electrician, do you recommend the insulated (1000v) knipex for the diyer? I dont do electrical hardly ever, so do you think it's worth the extra cost for peace of mind? Also, great video! I dont think that there needed to be a "winner" announced though LOL. It seemed like Klein gave a pretty pathetic showing!
I guess the reason why people like Klein is that they can handle more abuse. I love good quality of Klein but have a feeling that in the trade klein handles more heavier works
I really love your reviews, but I'm not totally vibing with this one. What are the lengths of each tool? The Klein appears to be the 7" model (which actually is a significantly different tool than the 8"). Your review is pretty misleading, based on the fact that your 2 tools are of different lengths. Naturally, the longer nose is going to be more flexible! And also, you speak of the pressure being exerted as bending in the Knipex, versus the pressure being transferred to the joint in the Klein. This is true. However, compare the joints. The Klein's joint is almost the diameter of a quarter! That is not going to fall victim to mechanical breakdown anytime soon. I own the 8" size of both (but I have the thick "Journeyman" handles on the Klein), and I find the Klein 8" to be quite a lot stronger (more stiff, I should say) than the 8" Knipex. The Knipex does flex significantly when applying a twisting motion, whereas the Klein barely flexes at all. (And despite your summation, I find the flexing is not be an ideal characteristic, but acceptable in this particular tool) That said, the 2 are COMPLETELY different beasts. The 8" Knipex are more precise, with a longer, narrower tapering tip. The Klein is more rugged and brutish. Neither is superior, but I thought it was worth pointing out the diffe rences between them versus the models you reviewed. All this said, most of my pliars are Knipex--and long-nose pliars aren't really designed for applying high amounts of that sort of rotational torque. However, when I DO need that high level of torque in a long-nosed tool, the Klein is what I pick up. When I'm needing a more traditional needle-nose, though, I use my favorites (the Knipexes).
Knipex are for field technicians or bench repair techs, Klein are electrician pliers/needle nose pliers. To compare them is like comparing tweezers to linesman pliers. Knipex is a superb tool, please compare them to similar products not field installer/mechanic tools. Klein are great for field mechanics (I was one for 21 years) but not the delicate precision work Knipex or Weha are designed for. The color issue is not an issue as years ago most tools were the same color, we used heat shrink color to differentiate.
Hey Nick I appreciate the video, I just wanted to say I have unfortunately not had much luck towards Knipex. I am an Aircraft Mechanic btw. I found the teeth wear very quickly and my needle nose pliers have a weak grab as the tips seem to spring after use which make it difficult to manipulate cotter pins or grab greasy objects. I went with knipex because everyone swore by them and they seemed to be more cost effective than lets say Snap On. Well I recently switched to snap on and their tools seem to pretty much walk all over my previous tools especially their talon grip needle nose. however my Knipex diagonal pliers have served me really well and never let down so I chose not to replace those.
hey Nick. i noticed your into more electronics than i am but i really like your tools comparison videos. i am currently a construction electrician myself.. and would highly appreciate if you gave YOUR personal opinion IF you in a 'construction-residental/commercial/industrial'.. along with your own electronic backround advice.. adding that in would probably bump up your channel if i were u. cuz you got informative about tools. u can probably figure out which direction this trade is going in general but it would be a great step up for your channel if i could add my input
If you could add your input to this channel! I have been looking for a co-host, is that something you would consider doing? I work as an industrial electrician currently but as you can tell I am more in charge of programming and I would like to have a more diverse outlook - on everything I do. Or would you prefer just me asking you thoughts and general opinions? Let me know, Nick
The knipex does have a flaw. It won't cut electrical tape. Only the tip of it touch closes, I have the same pliers, and you can see it in the video. It is bent in, making it not touch the cutting feature. I just grab something else to cut the tape with. Inconvenience for me from such a nice tool.
There’s just something about holding a knipex. Even though I’ve noticed that Klein handles are better shaped for comfort in my hand I don’t feel that same quality as I do with knipex.
If you are going to compare pliers they should have the same handle. If you use cobra handles for Knipex then use journeyman handles from Klein or just use silicone grips on both.
What happened to the screwdriver video? And i have a LM317 and a pot for my power supply but hopefully will get some money from santa for a well needed upgrade
I am re-uploading the video tonight some features of it I wasn't overly keen about, trying harder to make better videos... power supplies are nice but the LM317 will keep your mind active plus it depends on what you do, Arduino based stuff it is over kill. A power supply from a Computer is more than enough and can pump out some serious current!
They are worth while, amazing product line; beware of the catalog it will force you to re-mortgage your house. Weirdly enough when I started this video comparison I had no preference to either tool brand as you can tell I am at a different stand point.
Nick Sek Just got the catalog and there was no mention of the price in the catalog, although i could see with the engineering and design quality that these tools were not going to be cheap in every sense of the word. I'm thinking about slowly replacing my Greenlee tools with Knipex where it counts.
Andrew M , oddly enough Snap-on had them in their British catalog. Probably twenty years ago now, but the guys who had both brands, had their eyes opened. All brands have their strong points, Knipex just needed a chance to shine. They do!
I don't think the flex comparison was fair because the rivet to tip length of the knipex is longer than that of the klein. If you cut the tip off of the knipex so that its rivet to tip length is the same, you wouldn't have as much flex.
Nice Woden vise haha :) I think all German tools are awsome, the screwdrivers and pliers are just vastly superior to the usa made stuff. For ratchets I would go usa, those Snap-On dual 80 are awsome!!
I'm not sure what "field" you worked in but the Klein needle nose look almost unused, you never used them enough to break them in that's why they didn't fall shut when you had them in a vise. Klein tools are designed for electricians or people who work with wire all day, not so much electronics, visit technitools website if electronic tools are what you seek, much more specific to the field than knipex.
More than 90% of german electricians have Knipex pliers with grips insulated up to 1000 V (VDE-grips, mostly red and yellow) according to IEC 60900 in their tool bags. You can get almost every tool from them with insulated grips, even ratchets, water pump pliers and torque wrenches. That's a matter of safety even if you're circuit is not hot. And that's a thing I don't understand, in America you'll find large "wear safety equipment" on almost everything but the tools you're working with on electric circuits are not insulated. And only for the US market Knipex is printing the "Don't work on live circuits" on the blue/red comfort grips. In Germany this is not the case. Klein is making insulated screwdrivers and that's it. Even if you double-check everything, there could always be Mr. Stupid switching the circuit back on because he wants to make some coffee. And then you's got a problem... Knipex is having a good ratio between the price and what you get for it. In Germany the model shown here is costing 17€ (19 US$) on Amazon. The insulated version is about 24€ (27 US$). And btw: Klein is not available here in Germany. I think it's too expensive for them to get into the market here. They're not a large company, but Knipex is not too. It's a family enterprise in the 4th generation now.
Just a different culture here in the US. All the safety warnings are mostly just for liability reasons. Electricians are less cautious here. Lot of household systems are 120v not 220 used in other countries. All that insulation on everything would be annoying and impractical in real use. Speed, time, and money here are king, not safety. That's just some bullshit the public in general believes. About the only thing they care about here is how fast they can get it done. Capitolism.
Knipex stuff is nicer than klien for the most part but klien is the industry standard and what a lot go with. Outside the electrical trade many don't even know the name klien. Most electricians aren't paid well and klien tools are pretty inexpensive and work well. Knipex tools would be considered a bit snobish by some. I own many of both and they both work well, many automotive mechanics here prefer knipex tools due to their high quality. German made goods in general are seen as top notch quality here.
Even 120V are enough to kill you. A current of 30mA on the right time is enough for a cardiac arrest. In case of 120V in the worst case there could flow a current of 120mA. In Europe it's 230V +/- 10%. So the UK could still have their 240V. The reason is money too. In Germany the employer must insure his employees against accidents on job and on the direct way from and to the job, and he's paying the insurance all alone. In case of third party envolvement they would make demands on them. If something is happening the insurance is raising the price for him. If there are too many accidents occuring labour inspectorate (Gewerbeaufsicht) would close his business in the worst case. In larger companies you're getting the tools from them. And in the company I'm working for Knipex is the standard for pliers, the screwdrivers are Wera or Wiha. All the tools at work are property of my employer. If some tool is getting lost I'll have to pay for it, so no chance of getting tools for free. If it's damaged or broken I must give it to my superior and I'm getting a new one. And the interest of the insurance is to get you back to work after the accident, so medical treatment is actually better than if something is happening in private. The health insurance (mandatory in Germany) only interest is that you're alive...the rest doesn't matter to them. And then we're back on the matter of money. But I'm having my own tools at home, Knipex and Wera with the laser tip. And as I said, the insulated versions are not so much more expensive than the standard versions. I don't know how it's in the US, but that's the case here in Germany. The prices of the prices of Klein in the US are comparable to Knipex in Germany. Same league... I don't have the money for low-budget tools. They're costing you more money than good tools. They don't last long, they could ruin your work (screwheads for example) and in the worst case you could get harmed if they break (some tool parts stuck in the hand and such things). I've got some tools made by Channellock, actually they're not bad. But I've used some tricks to get them. Amazon prime and a few days later I've got them for a reasonable price. But with Klein I couldn't do this because Amazon is not having them directly and the shipping costs are horrendous. And I'm the pride owner of an Occidental Leather tool belt. Tool belts are not common here, only bags or cases. But if you're working on a ladder this is very good to have such a thing. And if you're getting a tool belt it's a cheap one that will not last long...
You not comparing apples to apples. 8 inch needle nose to 6 inch needle nose. Klein also makes journeyman series and the handle is a closer comparison. The knipex are great but more delicate smaller tip. The Klein cut better and are more robust. Both are better in certain applications.
While I do agree with your pros and cons of the pliers , the models are too different for comparison. Another thing about Klein, the colors on the pliers are colored to mark them for different reasons and different uses. You might be using the yellow Klein needle nose for other reasons than it's intended purpose. As pliers go, I'm a Knipex guy these days, but have a huge Klein collection myself. I've been to a few of their factories and one thing I saw in production, was greasing/oiling of the tool before it's final assembly and metal dust fragments and particles would stick to the tools and then they would be packaged. Which, you'd think after about 160 years of production, they'd figure a better way of packaging tools to keep them clean. But they haven't lol.
So basically, from what I have seen in your other comparing videos between Knipex and Klein,one should choose Knipex for, well about every aspect that makes a great tool and Klein for color coordination, fair enough...
How lucky you are there. I went to a large store in Bulgaria and the Knipex build quality was the worst of anything on the shelves, where yu could also find Wissent ( rebadged product ) and cheap Chinese pliers. No idea where they get them from, but I would get a Beta or Unior 100 times over any Knipex I saw in that store ( store is a large multi-national chain, very popular in Germany ). Some of the long nose pliers had bent teeth inside and looking at wear on these, they were not used or abused by instore buyers, another did not close fully the top end, which might also be someone to have damaged them while playing at the store. The top was the polishing on the combination pliers, 1.1cm difference between two identical models, absolutely sure it was done on hand and by someone with very low standard for craftmanship. I noticed many UK forumers to advise that you go and select a pair of pliers instore, I think I see why. Anyways, I was amazed to find such junk quality. I have Knipex crimping pliers and they were fantastic in every aspect but the pliers and cutters were horribly built.
That was in Bauhaus, I seriously doubt they`d sell knock offs. Besides, another large store was also selling their line and qualitywas the same. I now have a set of Bahco`s and they are by any means superior in about every way to the Knipex that failed me ( was killed by a 4N4004 diode ).
Btw I do not believe the tightness in the pliers indicate poor craftsmanship, actually the worst pliers I have ever used such as certain imports shared the same qualities as the knipex as the handles moved easily and smoothly but poor grab, terrible tip deflection etc.
not sure needle nose pliers are supposed to be used for high power clamping. I'd say they are more for finesse and should be smallish...there are pliers for high clamping forces.
They definitely have a time and place - where force is needed in an awkward place. I personally got a mass array of these - tiny ones I usually use for electronic work, for some reason they are tool I am always reaching for. Like you said the finesse work.
@@danstoolroom7700 Needle nose pliers have very skinny and long tips. They are more for getting into very tight places and holding things like wires or electrical components that don't require strong gripping. Long nose pliers have tapered, extended tips. They are beefier and can exert more gripping force.
It is pronounced kNEE-pex. Go to the German site, Knipex.de and listen to the sales blurb in German. The k and N run together. I was looking at the 7 1/2"' Knipex and you are the second reviewer to mention the flex. I do not see that as a plus. and will keep looking for another pair of discontinued Snap On 96BCP.. With Klein and Knipex making so many pliers, the pair you chose do not seem similar enough for a direct comparison.
It may have been said but you are comparing Knipex 8" needle nose with Klein 6" needle nose. A truer comparison would have been the Klein J203-8N pliers.
***** I will agree to a point. But ultimately the quality of the construction of the tools will be apparent. But ultimately I do not have unlimited funding and I am limited to what I have access to. .
The Knipex are the needlenose I carry in my pouch, but they're not the only ones I keep on my truck - exactly because they flex so much. I've found it to be a problem in some rare situations where you need leverage deep down where only needlenose pliers can go, and the Knipex tips deflect so much that the tool falls off the item you're turning (for instance trying to tighten a locknut at the back of a deep box). During twisting I would say the deflection can be up to 1/2" or more which is pretty extreme. Still, they're a great tool!
+PetrosArgy Useful information. Thank you, one year later.
PetrosArgy
did u purchase 26-11-200?
try knipex 38-11-200 mechanics nose plier. it probably has sturdier tips.
38-15-200 if you prefer the version with comfort grips. The first two digits are the pliers model, second two digits are the grip version and the last group is the length of the grips in mm.
klein's journeymen series are quite a bit nicer then that model, im happy using either knipex or klein journeyman series
Knipex is the best in my experience with pliers
Knipex are the best!
Cool video. I'm an electrician and both Klein and Knipex are the only tools in my tool bag.
Casey Mathews Extremely solid brands!
As an electrician, do you recommend the insulated (1000v) knipex for the diyer? I dont do electrical hardly ever, so do you think it's worth the extra cost for peace of mind?
Also, great video! I dont think that there needed to be a "winner" announced though LOL. It seemed like Klein gave a pretty pathetic showing!
Not really considering the standard insulation will work just fine working with 240v.
I guess the reason why people like Klein is that they can handle more abuse. I love good quality of Klein but have a feeling that in the trade klein handles more heavier works
Excellent review, didn't know Knipex made Needle nose pliers. I bought the 10 and 12 Knipex Pliers wrench both excellent.
I really love your reviews, but I'm not totally vibing with this one.
What are the lengths of each tool? The Klein appears to be the 7" model (which actually is a significantly different tool than the 8"). Your review is pretty misleading, based on the fact that your 2 tools are of different lengths. Naturally, the longer nose is going to be more flexible! And also, you speak of the pressure being exerted as bending in the Knipex, versus the pressure being transferred to the joint in the Klein. This is true. However, compare the joints. The Klein's joint is almost the diameter of a quarter! That is not going to fall victim to mechanical breakdown anytime soon.
I own the 8" size of both (but I have the thick "Journeyman" handles on the Klein), and I find the Klein 8" to be quite a lot stronger (more stiff, I should say) than the 8" Knipex. The Knipex does flex significantly when applying a twisting motion, whereas the Klein barely flexes at all. (And despite your summation, I find the flexing is not be an ideal characteristic, but acceptable in this particular tool) That said, the 2 are COMPLETELY different beasts. The 8" Knipex are more precise, with a longer, narrower tapering tip. The Klein is more rugged and brutish. Neither is superior, but I thought it was worth pointing out the diffe rences between them versus the models you reviewed.
All this said, most of my pliars are Knipex--and long-nose pliars aren't really designed for applying high amounts of that sort of rotational torque. However, when I DO need that high level of torque in a long-nosed tool, the Klein is what I pick up. When I'm needing a more traditional needle-nose, though, I use my favorites (the Knipexes).
Knipex are for field technicians or bench repair techs, Klein are electrician pliers/needle nose pliers. To compare them is like comparing tweezers to linesman pliers. Knipex is a superb tool, please compare them to similar products not field installer/mechanic tools. Klein are great for field mechanics (I was one for 21 years) but not the delicate precision work Knipex or Weha are designed for. The color issue is not an issue as years ago most tools were the same color, we used heat shrink color to differentiate.
Hey Nick I appreciate the video, I just wanted to say I have unfortunately not had much luck towards Knipex. I am an Aircraft Mechanic btw. I found the teeth wear very quickly and my needle nose pliers have a weak grab as the tips seem to spring after use which make it difficult to manipulate cotter pins or grab greasy objects. I went with knipex because everyone swore by them and they seemed to be more cost effective than lets say Snap On. Well I recently switched to snap on and their tools seem to pretty much walk all over my previous tools especially their talon grip needle nose. however my Knipex diagonal pliers have served me really well and never let down so I chose not to replace those.
Kevin McDougall
did u purchase 26-11-200?
try knipex 38-11-200 mechanics nose plier. it probably has sturdier tips.
Take a look at Klein Journeyman needle nose pliers. They would be a closer comparison to the Knipex.
I have a Knipex wire roap cutter and a Knipex cobolt xl 250mm mini bolt cutter and I love them. The mini bolt cutter can go through 8mm threaded rod.
I'm wondering what was in the glasses?
Great vídeo thanks for me knipex is the best pliers in world 👍👍👍👍👍
hey Nick. i noticed your into more electronics than i am but i really like your tools comparison videos. i am currently a construction electrician myself.. and would highly appreciate if you gave YOUR personal opinion IF you in a 'construction-residental/commercial/industrial'.. along with your own electronic backround advice.. adding that in would probably bump up your channel if i were u. cuz you got informative about tools. u can probably figure out which direction this trade is going in general but it would be a great step up for your channel if i could add my input
If you could add your input to this channel! I have been looking for a co-host, is that something you would consider doing? I work as an industrial electrician currently but as you can tell I am more in charge of programming and I would like to have a more diverse outlook - on everything I do.
Or would you prefer just me asking you thoughts and general opinions?
Let me know,
Nick
The knipex does have a flaw. It won't cut electrical tape.
Only the tip of it touch closes, I have the same pliers, and you can see it in the video.
It is bent in, making it not touch the cutting feature.
I just grab something else to cut the tape with.
Inconvenience for me from such a
nice tool.
Interesting observations, thanks!
There’s just something about holding a knipex. Even though I’ve noticed that Klein handles are better shaped for comfort in my hand I don’t feel that same quality as I do with knipex.
If you are going to compare pliers they should have the same handle. If you use cobra handles for Knipex then use journeyman handles from Klein or just use silicone grips on both.
Why is flexing good in long nose pliers?
Retaining shape
Superb video & knipex is best pliers in the world & it's very very good 👌 quality brand superb beautiful ❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍
What happened to the screwdriver video? And i have a LM317 and a pot for my power supply but hopefully will get some money from santa for a well needed upgrade
I am re-uploading the video tonight some features of it I wasn't overly keen about, trying harder to make better videos... power supplies are nice but the LM317 will keep your mind active plus it depends on what you do, Arduino based stuff it is over kill. A power supply from a Computer is more than enough and can pump out some serious current!
Great vid again im going to look into getting some knipex products
They are worth while, amazing product line; beware of the catalog it will force you to re-mortgage your house. Weirdly enough when I started this video comparison I had no preference to either tool brand as you can tell I am at a different stand point.
Nick Sek Just got the catalog and there was no mention of the price in the catalog, although i could see with the engineering and design quality that these tools were not going to be cheap in every sense of the word. I'm thinking about slowly replacing my Greenlee tools with Knipex where it counts.
@@ElectricalNick not as expensive as snap on pliers
Andrew M , oddly enough Snap-on had them in their British catalog. Probably twenty years ago now, but the guys who had both brands, had their eyes opened. All brands have their strong points, Knipex just needed a chance to shine. They do!
I don't think the flex comparison was fair because the rivet to tip length of the knipex is longer than that of the klein. If you cut the tip off of the knipex so that its rivet to tip length is the same, you wouldn't have as much flex.
Nice Woden vise haha :) I think all German tools are awsome, the screwdrivers and pliers are just vastly superior to the usa made stuff. For ratchets I would go usa, those Snap-On dual 80 are awsome!!
I'm not sure what "field" you worked in but the Klein needle nose look almost unused, you never used them enough to break them in that's why they didn't fall shut when you had them in a vise. Klein tools are designed for electricians or people who work with wire all day, not so much electronics, visit technitools website if electronic tools are what you seek, much more specific to the field than knipex.
More than 90% of german electricians have Knipex pliers with grips insulated up to 1000 V (VDE-grips, mostly red and yellow) according to IEC 60900 in their tool bags. You can get almost every tool from them with insulated grips, even ratchets, water pump pliers and torque wrenches. That's a matter of safety even if you're circuit is not hot. And that's a thing I don't understand, in America you'll find large "wear safety equipment" on almost everything but the tools you're working with on electric circuits are not insulated. And only for the US market Knipex is printing the "Don't work on live circuits" on the blue/red comfort grips. In Germany this is not the case.
Klein is making insulated screwdrivers and that's it. Even if you double-check everything, there could always be Mr. Stupid switching the circuit back on because he wants to make some coffee. And then you's got a problem...
Knipex is having a good ratio between the price and what you get for it. In Germany the model shown here is costing 17€ (19 US$) on Amazon. The insulated version is about 24€ (27 US$).
And btw: Klein is not available here in Germany. I think it's too expensive for them to get into the market here. They're not a large company, but Knipex is not too. It's a family enterprise in the 4th generation now.
Just a different culture here in the US. All the safety warnings are mostly just for liability reasons. Electricians are less cautious here. Lot of household systems are 120v not 220 used in other countries. All that insulation on everything would be annoying and impractical in real use. Speed, time, and money here are king, not safety. That's just some bullshit the public in general believes. About the only thing they care about here is how fast they can get it done. Capitolism.
Knipex stuff is nicer than klien for the most part but klien is the industry standard and what a lot go with. Outside the electrical trade many don't even know the name klien. Most electricians aren't paid well and klien tools are pretty inexpensive and work well. Knipex tools would be considered a bit snobish by some. I own many of both and they both work well, many automotive mechanics here prefer knipex tools due to their high quality. German made goods in general are seen as top notch quality here.
Even 120V are enough to kill you. A current of 30mA on the right time is enough for a cardiac arrest. In case of 120V in the worst case there could flow a current of 120mA.
In Europe it's 230V +/- 10%. So the UK could still have their 240V.
The reason is money too. In Germany the employer must insure his employees against accidents on job and on the direct way from and to the job, and he's paying the insurance all alone. In case of third party envolvement they would make demands on them. If something is happening the insurance is raising the price for him. If there are too many accidents occuring labour inspectorate (Gewerbeaufsicht) would close his business in the worst case. In larger companies you're getting the tools from them. And in the company I'm working for Knipex is the standard for pliers, the screwdrivers are Wera or Wiha. All the tools at work are property of my employer. If some tool is getting lost I'll have to pay for it, so no chance of getting tools for free. If it's damaged or broken I must give it to my superior and I'm getting a new one. And the interest of the insurance is to get you back to work after the accident, so medical treatment is actually better than if something is happening in private. The health insurance (mandatory in Germany) only interest is that you're alive...the rest doesn't matter to them. And then we're back on the matter of money.
But I'm having my own tools at home, Knipex and Wera with the laser tip. And as I said, the insulated versions are not so much more expensive than the standard versions. I don't know how it's in the US, but that's the case here in Germany.
The prices of the prices of Klein in the US are comparable to Knipex in Germany. Same league...
I don't have the money for low-budget tools. They're costing you more money than good tools. They don't last long, they could ruin your work (screwheads for example) and in the worst case you could get harmed if they break (some tool parts stuck in the hand and such things).
I've got some tools made by Channellock, actually they're not bad. But I've used some tricks to get them. Amazon prime and a few days later I've got them for a reasonable price. But with Klein I couldn't do this because Amazon is not having them directly and the shipping costs are horrendous. And I'm the pride owner of an Occidental Leather tool belt. Tool belts are not common here, only bags or cases. But if you're working on a ladder this is very good to have such a thing. And if you're getting a tool belt it's a cheap one that will not last long...
I do residential electrical. My knipex still look new even after months of use.
So if the Kline's look new to you why is the metal looking so old.
You not comparing apples to apples. 8 inch needle nose to 6 inch needle nose. Klein also makes journeyman series and the handle is a closer comparison. The knipex are great but more delicate smaller tip. The Klein cut better and are more robust. Both are better in certain applications.
As of June 2015: the knipex are now 45.36$... SLIGHT increase.
While I do agree with your pros and cons of the pliers , the models are too different for comparison. Another thing about Klein, the colors on the pliers are colored to mark them for different reasons and different uses. You might be using the yellow Klein needle nose for other reasons than it's intended purpose. As pliers go, I'm a Knipex guy these days, but have a huge Klein collection myself. I've been to a few of their factories and one thing I saw in production, was greasing/oiling of the tool before it's final assembly and metal dust fragments and particles would stick to the tools and then they would be packaged. Which, you'd think after about 160 years of production, they'd figure a better way of packaging tools to keep them clean. But they haven't lol.
So basically, from what I have seen in your other comparing videos between Knipex and Klein,one should choose Knipex for, well about every aspect that makes a great tool and Klein for color coordination, fair enough...
How lucky you are there. I went to a large store in Bulgaria and the Knipex build quality was the worst of anything on the shelves, where yu could also find Wissent ( rebadged product ) and cheap Chinese pliers. No idea where they get them from, but I would get a Beta or Unior 100 times over any Knipex I saw in that store ( store is a large multi-national chain, very popular in Germany ). Some of the long nose pliers had bent teeth inside and looking at wear on these, they were not used or abused by instore buyers, another did not close fully the top end, which might also be someone to have damaged them while playing at the store. The top was the polishing on the combination pliers, 1.1cm difference between two identical models, absolutely sure it was done on hand and by someone with very low standard for craftmanship. I noticed many UK forumers to advise that you go and select a pair of pliers instore, I think I see why. Anyways, I was amazed to find such junk quality. I have Knipex crimping pliers and they were fantastic in every aspect but the pliers and cutters were horribly built.
+SS18w4531g00 Maybe those are Chinese knock off,not real "Knipex"!
That was in Bauhaus, I seriously doubt they`d sell knock offs. Besides, another large store was also selling their line and qualitywas the same. I now have a set of Bahco`s and they are by any means superior in about every way to the Knipex that failed me ( was killed by a 4N4004 diode ).
I own 50+ knipex hand tools and Quality control simply could not be improved in any way. You saw knockoffs for sure man.
Compare the Klein multi bit screwdriver vs the Bahco
The prices you mentioned in the video have been doubled at least, from that time 🤦🏻♂️
dont you have bahco in the us ?
Btw I do not believe the tightness in the pliers indicate poor craftsmanship, actually the worst pliers I have ever used such as certain imports shared the same qualities as the knipex as the handles moved easily and smoothly but poor grab, terrible tip deflection etc.
I stick with Klein for the common items but do have a few Knipex specialty pliers (mini cable cutters, mini bolt cutters)
The mini bolt cutters are simply amazing, makes me want to destroy everything and anything lol, I would like to see Klein to develop a version!
Agreed!!
That review is coming up any ideas of how to make it over the top?
Review of the mini bolt cutters? You could cut through a brass key like I have done lol
not sure needle nose pliers are supposed to be used for high power clamping. I'd say they are more for finesse and should be smallish...there are pliers for high clamping forces.
They definitely have a time and place - where force is needed in an awkward place. I personally got a mass array of these - tiny ones I usually use for electronic work, for some reason they are tool I am always reaching for. Like you said the finesse work.
I'll be more than happy to take all your Klein tools off your hand.
Unfortunately, these are actually "Long Nose Pliers" not true needle nose pliers.
@@danstoolroom7700 Needle nose pliers have very skinny and long tips. They are more for getting into very tight places and holding things like wires or electrical components that don't require strong gripping. Long nose pliers have tapered, extended tips. They are beefier and can exert more gripping force.
I'm a total knipex fanboy but I must say you're comparing apples to oranges here man.
It is pronounced kNEE-pex. Go to the German site, Knipex.de and listen to the sales blurb in German. The k and N run together.
I was looking at the 7 1/2"' Knipex and you are the second reviewer to mention the flex. I do not see that as a plus. and will keep looking for another pair of discontinued Snap On 96BCP.. With Klein and Knipex making so many pliers, the pair you chose do not seem similar enough for a direct comparison.
I still like your videos though!
It may have been said but you are comparing Knipex 8" needle nose with Klein 6" needle nose. A truer comparison would have been the Klein J203-8N pliers.
***** I will agree to a point. But ultimately the quality of the construction of the tools will be apparent. But ultimately I do not have unlimited funding and I am limited to what I have access to. .
But not a specialist...
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the k is silent it's pronounced nipex not canipex....
That's actually not true -- watch any of their own video's, and you'll hear their own staff pronounce the name like "canipex".