Real Mig-23 Shoot Down | 1989 Tobruk Air Battle 2x U.S. F-14 Tomcats Vs 2x Libyan MiG-23 Floggers |
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Thats the most important video of your channel buddy. Good job
Damn dude, this is VERY well done!
More of this 👍
The Mig 15 , cruising at just below transonic speed, headed toward the front lines as part of a familiarization flight. As the Russian veteran descended he caught sight of a P-51 just coming up from a strafing run.... Those arrogant Americanski's! He'd wanted to shoot down a Mustang ever since he'd played chicken with them over Berlin in '47....
As he banked toward the unsuspecting victim he armed his cannon, imagining what a 30mm shell would do to the old piston engined fighter...
This is really amazing. Much more of this when you can. It's better than the "Wings over the Gulf" series from NatGeo.
I'm retired Navy and have heard about this event many times but the way you portrayed this in DCS along with the audio recordings really makes it easier to visualize. well done, sir!
thank you very much
Agreed. GS, you have done your homework on this one. A+
Couldn't agree more. Well done, GS! Would love to see more like this!!
Research goes a long way.
That was amazing. Your intro has a whole new meaning for me now. More stories like this every once in a while please!
I always assumed it was a foreign language. 🤣🤪
One of the best DCS “documentaries’ you have done to date. Now I know where your “Fox2” and “OK, Good Kill” comes from at the start of your videos. It also proves DCS can reproduce faithfully any historical aerial encounter. More please!
i caught that too - you can hear the relief from the adrenaline stress in that passage.
I was in Germany, stationed in an F-4G/F-16c Hunter Killer/SEAD squadron. This became a huge topic of discussion as to ROE, and command structure in an engagement as the USAF did not want to repeat any errors made. The audio was played repeatedly in pre sortie briefings to demonstrate the adrenalin rush those involved were going through.
Adrenaline is the enemy of good judgment in ambiguous situations. The executive centers of the brain involved in cognitive decisions are put offline, so to speak, when powerful fight or flight hormones are secreted. Fear and aggression originate in primitive parts of the brain that have their ancestral evolutionary roots in reptiles. When the mind is calm; focus, concentration, awareness, and performance under pressure exhibit the highest quality and outcomes
It has been said that many F-4 pilots missed good MIG opportunities in Vietnam because of mistakes such as Fox 2 select in the video, or forgetting to switch Master Arm.
Were any of those guys still around at that time to give advice to you guys?
Must be frustrating when you're overloaded and things are happening in fractions of a second.
@@wallacegrommet9343Easy to judge from our point of view, but probably very different from their perspective. Taking into account he thought the MiGs were there to kill
@@wallacegrommet9343 I don’t understand, are you trying to say that these guys didn’t use good judgment? In his mind he turned into him six times and if it was a mistake or an anomaly with the radar how was that his fault?
@kevinmyers440 207 RIO made several mistakes - we wasted two AIM-7 and he kind of had tunnel vision
This was simply amazing. With the audio and your descriptions...We don't have enough words in the English language to explain how incredible this video is. Thank you!
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Yes there are, but I am being a tosser! I knew what you meant.
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@@FreakishWizardthegamingwizard thanks, that means a lot.
This is amazing. We need more videos like this. You did an amazing job showing the minute by minute steps and thoughts taken by the pilots. This was incredibly interesting.
A very nice piece of history, and good insights into US Navy's procedures and tactics. I bet that pilot caught more flak for failing to select than anything else.
You said it. I could only imagine the debrief. I could imagine either a very loud or a terse version of the debrief.
@@RatherCrunchyMuffin Debriefed by Alpha-Bravo who apparently wouldn't pick up the radio to make the hard calls?
@@__-fl5rnhe just wanted to be able to walk into the Pentagon and say, "I told him weapons hold, Yellow. I don't have any idea why he did that."
"I can't. I don't have a fcking tone."
The tone was frustration. 😂
Ahhhhh....finally.
Your intro is finally a video :)
Well done with the cinematography and knowledge of the incident.
Im glad you knew about the TWS issue and how it played an accidental part in this and adding stress and confusion to an intense situation.
12:21 I knew I've heard that somewhere already😆
After several years of hearing the radio intro for your videos, it's cool to hear the original audio that it came from, and I instantly recognized it as soon as I heard it: "Good kill, good kill!" "Okay, good kill". Nice!
What I find most perplexing is the lack of response from Alpha Bravo given the urgency of the situation. IMO someone was asleep at the wheel there.
Probably needed to relay via the AWACS as AB had done to issue the ROE order to Gypsy, but I have no real idea.
@@CosmoMomen AB also failed to respond to the AWACS. It's like they gave the "Weapons Hold" order and went to get a coffee.
people need to remember this was 1989 i was a army 58 driver during this. we were all still analog no digital radios, no satellite communication. The down fall later in life for f14 was it was still a analog plane even the B models. Digital did not truly happen in the 14 till the D models came on line. So radio blind spots and missing calls were a real part of life during this time
He gave the order to yellow. No further communication was needed. Yellow places self defense at the pilot's discretion so long as his decision is within the preset ROEs.
Having given discretion to the crews and ROEs having been met, any further orders would have amounted to micromanagement and unnecessary interference. The guys in the seats knew the situation better than CAG. So he stayed out of it at that point.
@@slartybarfastb3648 So, "no further communication needed" means, "completely ignore the fact that your AWACS *and* one of your pilots are trying to get some form of clarification before they kill someone"? I don't feel the USN was quite that blisteringly incompetent.
The pilot not properly selecting fox-2 killed me a little. That should be super automatic muscle memory. I get that it's a high stress situation though. I've never been in the position in my life where I thought someone could be deliberately trying to kill me, so I can't know how I'd react myself. At least in a sim you can hit pause and go grab a Coke.
He had it selected, it was the tone volume knob was down, it had been tracking the whole time but he wasn't able to hear it until he turned it up and heard the tone.
Thats why we could hear it so loud, he porbably turned the knob so hard he ripped it off :D@@slicershanks1919
Snickers and a Coke IS a fighter pilot breakfast and Guard is for briefing enroute...
@@suecobandito8954 Oh, my gosh, that was so true for me in pilot training…
More interdiction missions please! Would love yo see you defending a B-52 from hostile interception. Thanks!
This was interception not interdiction
We might need a Raptor
B52 tail gun
I have watched numerous videos on this incident. I still have it save on VCR. Your recreation explains it better than any of the numerous videos I have seen. Great job, and in my opinion probably your best work. Thank you
This is among your best, most creative, productions yet, GS. Edutainment in the very best sense of the word! I remember this incident and have never heard it explained to well or so thoroughly. I'm very grateful you posted this.
Thank you, I appreciate you watching. Hopefully more like this to come in the future.
Gave me the chills. Better than watching most movies. Great job on the presentation!
Something I've yet to hear in any video or documentary covering this incident, including your original video on the matter, was how the contacts *appeared* to be turning into the Tomcats due to the particulars of their TWS display. It certainly made me think things over again. Brilliant work, my guy, as always.
I wonder how long it took them to figure that one out and (hopefully) implement a fix.
Yea, how the hell? I've seen many videos and interviews on this incident and not once has anyone said anything about the MIGs flying in a straight line or no RWR pings..
To be fair. Don't those planes have EO sensors (heat seaking, like the SU-27S?) that would never be picked up by a RWR anyways?
Flying your MIGs into a pair of F-14s is inherently dangerous. 🧐
Sealed their fate, especially in a Flogger.
Excellent job GS. I believe a follow up with the 1981 incident where Libya fighters fired first is in order sir.
This video was awesome! DCS is an awesome tool for providing visuals along with the recorded audio. I think we'd all like to see more of these kinds of videos!
Cinematics to the story, you killed it dude. Great video.
Thank you very much.
@@GrowlingSidewinder That was good! I kinda miss History Channel Dogfights when it was on too bad they didn't have at least one more season.
I have heard this audio several times, but had no idea about the fox-2 not being selected or the issue with the TWS. Awesome insights!
Oooh, I love this format. You're taking audio and turning into a visual battle. Nicely done. While there are a limited number of these you can do, this is special.
I always thought this incident was a lot more clear cut than it was. A lot less shine on it now after learning the details; devil in the details as they say. Thank you for the hard work in putting this together.
I was just in DC for work and took a short drive to the museum where the lead Tomcat that was involved in this incident is displayed, super cool to see this breakdown! They also have an SR-71, along with loads of other military and civilian aircraft and even the actual space shuttle Endeavor so definitely worth the trip. More of this type of video would be amazing!
I love GS, but this...THIS, is what I'd love to see more of: recordings an/or recreations of actual events. So good.
This is the most descriptive version of this even I have seen or heard, job well done.
After seeing and hearing this portayal of the 1989 incident, your intro holds a greater meaning from this day forth. Its really more than just some cool audio, it implies, that while just a game/simulator, your actions must be professional. You always bring not only FUN but a great deal of learning to the audience in flight characteristics and aviation. This was AWESOME!
That was fascinating. How about a review of the Jan.'91 Tomcat shoot down?
Definitely do more videos like this. This was a good one.
great to know where your intro audio comes from
I went through everything i could find about this years ago. If i remember correctly, there was a cooling system for the sparrow seeker that had to be on before firing. The first sparrow fired was fired without the cooling on, and the rio knew it, and the missile wouldnt track. he quickly fired the second
Man, I've heard this audio and seen the footage a number of times, but never realized it was the RIO that fired the first (and second) missiles. Thanks for spelling out the situation.
Seen many, many reconstructions of this incident. To my.mind, this is the best so far, bringing more detailed analysis and some new information I hadn't heard before.
The use of DCS to visually reconstruct the engagement was well done, and is probably, as accurate as realisticly possible.
Took me too long to realize this was the mission for your intro audiobite. Great video!
Amazing video, recreating this kind of operations with your comments was really a masterpiece. Please do more content like this! Great job.
Man the context made this one so intense. But when I heard that last tone and realized how many times I've heard that audio it gave me goosebumps.
This is such a cool video. I would love to see more of these
Fantastic video and brilliant dive into the situation. Really enjoying you mixing up the dogfight/bvr fights with these mini doco series. Amazing work!
Great work, GS! There's a fair bit of Sidra analysis on RUclips, but this was the best I've seen so far, and answered all my questions raised by the other clips. A few people in the comments are asking for more such analyses, and I second that wholeheartedly. Some of the Gulf War (1 & 2) air combat, including the F-16 defending multiple SAMs would be awesome.
This is awesome. Love your work mate. Very well put together and informative, also so good to know where your intro comes from now!
Keep up the stella work.
I never realized your opening audio was tapes from this incident! Very cool piece of history.
This was incredibly interesting. I liked your play-by-play. It's also cool to find out where the audio from your intro comes from. Great video!
Bravo to you and your production team! your voice control, timber, and relaxed pacing makes it easy on the ears.
Loved this!! Nicely done with the DCs backup!! Helps me understand it easier as I had not heard about this til now.
I like how level headed and matter of fact you presented the incident also how much the US tries to deescalate with RoEs but ultimately it's FAFO
The problem is, there is evidence the Libyan pilots didn’t know they were FA when they FO.
@@no_regerts5176 That's the risk you run when you go up against the US.
@@benn454 They were going up against the US next to their own borders, with no radar on, and hoping to sneak themselves into range of a FOX-2?
@@benn454 Yeah the US does seem to like just randomly blowing shit up for no reason.
I was literally on a binge reading about these incidents, solely because of your intro, earlier this week. And then you come round and post the best vid i watched over it, thanks GS
More videos like this one would be cool!!!
And thus, the GS legend started
This was one of your best videos to date. Also, as someone who has been watching your videos for at least a year or two, it’s cool to hear where your intro comes from. Bravo 👏🏼
Great video. Really outstanding job recreating & explaining the incident. Good to know the source of the "Fox-2 Good Kill" audio!
Fantastic video with excellent commentary! You should do more of these, maybe one every two or three weeks.
I was NOT expecting a history lesson, but it was a pleasant surprise. Well done! I vaguely remember the incident (yes, I'm old), but I don't remember all the controversy.
Best documentary about the incident. Well done! Thank you, GS!
And.. now I know the voices in the beginning of all your videos. Thank you!
Tremendous video. Really interesting, really well put together. Would love to see you do other breakdowns like this of real-life interdictions where the radio comms have been declassified.
Important to remember that, depending on the variant, MIG-23s have IRST systems and medium range Fox-2 missiles, much like MiG-29s, so they don't even need radar to track contacts.
You really think they had sinister intentions?
Awesome video! Entertaining and informative at the same time. Great to see that intro audio in its historical context!
Thank you for doing this. I have been waiting for it. I was hopping you would also show the TAC view of it. Keep making awesome content!
What an incredible dramatization. I’m not sure how many recordings of things there are like this, but l appreciated that so much. You’d do well to do more in my books!
You have a LOT of videos i enjoy. This eclipses all of them. Even the sudden death ones.
Well done, GS. O7
This is my favorite video by far man! Great job, very entertaining and great narration and cinematics.
Much better video quality than the originals.
Great work. I learned a lot of new information about this fight.
Never knew some of the details of this incident. Very interesting. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
This was an amazing way to visualize history. Very well put together sir.
Thank you for this reconstruction of the data at such year 1989. I think you did it very well, hope you continue with such information too beside your standard fighting flights. Thumbs up!
And we finally learn from where the audio clips from the intro were taken from! Good think you dropped the f-bomb out of the mix.
Very interesting analysis.
I have had the dubious distinction of flying in Libya for the past 4 years, and covert military activity on all sides is very much in evidence especially over the gulf of Sidra, principally large UAV's at higher flight levels thankfully with TCAS on, and random military traffic at lower levels with TCAS off.
I think you are correct in questioning the official account, not so much for the limited information that is in the public domain, but the political context under which this engagement occurred.
With experience like that, I'd be curious to hear your take on the actual mission of the two MiGs. Do you think they were harmlessly reconnoitering the area, intercepting the Tomcats, or was there some classic Gadaffi fuckery afoot, like the proposed idea where they were essentially baiting the f-14s into shooting them down? Or none of the above?
@@andrewjhollins Good question, as a civil pilot, not one that I am well qualified to answer, but I am in little doubt that the MiG's were scrambled to make a point as to where the border was deemed to be.
If the point was to shoot down two American aircraft, it was poorly judged.
I think they could switch to single target track and observe what migs would do, but you can hear there was less and less cool as the tension kept rising.
I don't know to what extent you can do more content like this, but this was fantastic! Your videos are great, of course, love'em, but anything like this would be a gem. Thank you kindly!
This was great. I was aware of this incident, but never knew the particulars.
I am interested in more of these types of "light" analysis videos that describe the order of events and explain what is happening without going into too much technical detail.
I equate a brief study like this to low level, vicarious flight experience. There is a lot that can be learned from understanding what transpired; both from things that were done correctly and in recognizing mistakes that were made.
Good stuff.
I'd love to see a video of trying to intercept the venerable SR-71 Blackbird with the best technology 2023 has to offer. Does an updated MiG-31 with R-37s even stand a chance at Mach 3+ and climbing through angels 80? Modernised F-14 with AMRAAM-D3s, AMRAAM-ERs, or speculative AIM-260s?
Listening to those comms sent a chill down my spine.
Subscribing to your Chanel was the best decision I have ever made in my life, thank you so much for amazing and detailed explanation .
that was an awesome review! Thank you for the breakdown and AAR!
There's a moral to this story, several actually. I think the most important moral here is; It is best to have left Tomcats alone, less you become fish bait. Planning & communication. Trigger happiness. If I recall correctly, the pilot of one of these F-14's died in an F-18 landing mishap years later. Yet another outstanding video from GS to learn from.
You did a really good job with this, GS. Well done, sir.
What an excellent breakdown of the sequence of events. Fascinating.
If anyone has a documentary or incident video that they want to create for broadcast, then they need to call you. Very well done.
I have seen tv historicle tv shows that didnt do as well as you did here.
Loved this video man, really great stuff
Absolute quality, I hope the effort in producing this pays off well.
Nice! History of an engagement done better than I’ve ever seen it. More of this.
this was incredible watch man, good stuff
Excellent editing, and respectful presentation. Fantastic work, gents.
Your videos have been spectacular recently! Keep up the good work!
The pacing and the breakdown is awesome and very well done! The added commentary at the end says it for me and I concur. it's almost like those Floggers were trying to defect. NO combat or defensive maneuvers. They were likely as said, conducting a Recon or DCA mission as routinely as any, armed with AA-6's and AA-8's but as Soviet doctrine denotes in such missions, radar off for as long as possible or until told to turn on from GCI. GCI *should* have seen the Tomcats and should have had them vectored away at safe distance instead of allowing them to head nose on , even when painted and locked! crazy Libyan doctrine!
Always found it such a coincidence that in 81 it was Fast Eagle 102 & 107, in 89 it was Gypsy 202 & 207. ♠️🇺🇲
Love these vids, the audio recordings are an excellent addition
been waiting for this!!! nice work!!
Incredible!!! One of the most fascinating air to air engagements in U.S. history!!! Great job bringing it to life!!!
That was intense, well done. OUTSTANDING, OUTSTANDING, OUTSTANDING
This is an incredible re-enactment/re-telling of this incident! Thanks for edumacating me!
GS must be a psychic cause I was just thinking about how dope a video on the Gulf of Sidra would be. 😮
One of the greatest things I’ve ever seen. PLEASE more deep analysis. 👏🏻
Best video of the event I’ve seen. I’ve watched about everything I can find on it and this one is excellent. 👍
it's astounding that 207's RIO would unleash a missile like that - the pilot clearly wasn't expecting it and it seems knew from that moment the fit was hitting the shan. The level of urgency coming from 207's comms seems highly disproportional to the threat, real or imagined, but I suppose at 1000 knot closing speeds you really don't have much time to decide.
Brilliant video thanks. Thought I knew about this in detail, turns out I had barely scratched the surface.
Another important note, most REOs are higher rank or more experienced in tenure, than the pilots. Great video!