Dotaology: History of Venomancer

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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024

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  • @DennisTheTall
    @DennisTheTall  3 года назад +144

    If you were Venomancer, what would your Plague Wards look like and what special effect would they have?

    • @whatcontroller4624
      @whatcontroller4624 3 года назад +26

      Probably like dicks because I've got childish humour.

    • @Gildorify
      @Gildorify 3 года назад +12

      I am a simple man. I laugh at fart jokes. So I want some mushrooms that look in a certain way and for them to fart on enemies.

    • @aintijustthecutest3863
      @aintijustthecutest3863 3 года назад +5

      Pea shooter w/ a "pew pew" sfx, in addition to its debilitating passives.
      I was also hoping you'll use Undying, instead of Razor, and have a pea shooter as the plague ward in your doodle intro lol

    • @antihero8603
      @antihero8603 3 года назад +3

      Sub-woofers that blast death metal

    • @kochiyamochiya
      @kochiyamochiya 3 года назад +3

      It's like a regular Plague Ward, but they are holding a gun instead with their tiny arm

  • @Gabrielbarsch
    @Gabrielbarsch 3 года назад +269

    That hydra venomancer could be a nice concept for an arcana

    • @bb-im6hf
      @bb-im6hf 3 года назад +9

      well, we had the collector cashe hydra venomancer two years ago or so, but an arcana in a similar style does sound nice

    • @hinatashoyo5746
      @hinatashoyo5746 3 года назад +5

      I think centipede venomancer would be better and more terrifying

    • @bb-im6hf
      @bb-im6hf 3 года назад +2

      @@hinatashoyo5746 we kind of had that too, in the Cave-themed battlepass collector's cache. It was called Molokau Stalker (and the hydra i mentioned before was called Corruption of the Virulent Krait)

    • @pvshka
      @pvshka 3 года назад

      @@hinatashoyo5746 20:14?

    • @legendarynoob4689
      @legendarynoob4689 3 года назад

      that a nice idea but as you can see we are still waiting for spectre arcana so dont hope for another one any time soon

  • @aintijustthecutest3863
    @aintijustthecutest3863 3 года назад +153

    Veno was such a broken hero back in Dota1, during the time when Hood of Defiance didn't exist yet.
    Ah, the memories of anguish and despair.

    • @jayzenstyle
      @jayzenstyle 3 года назад +5

      One of the reasons why he's my favorite hero back in dota1. There's just something beautiful about seeing your enemies panick while dying slowly.

    • @farhanmohamad1943
      @farhanmohamad1943 3 года назад +1

      Lothar sny was the best

    • @iliaadamanthark8336
      @iliaadamanthark8336 2 года назад +2

      And now he's useless. Just a ward slave and cannon fodder

    • @bayumahendra1797
      @bayumahendra1797 2 года назад +1

      Back then his combo ulti+skill1 and couple hit guaranted kill against any hero

    • @sheiji312
      @sheiji312 2 года назад

      @@farhanmohamad1943 i clearly remember this item build and also the curses my friends would lash out at the computer shop as slither boy wipes out 5 enemies with one ss

  • @borkozdravkovic4746
    @borkozdravkovic4746 3 года назад +107

    The drawings are getting better amd better

    • @nether7495
      @nether7495 3 года назад +4

      The drawings are getting better nvidia better

    • @urmemegay7929
      @urmemegay7929 3 года назад +1

      The drawings are getting better ati better

    • @harrilaani9105
      @harrilaani9105 3 года назад +2

      Yeah his drawing skills just keep ryzen

    • @Yuzuki1337
      @Yuzuki1337 Год назад

      I have acquired valuable Intel: The drawings are indeed getting better

  • @andrewimm2576
    @andrewimm2576 3 года назад +18

    The biggest semi-recent balance change to Veno was changing gale and sting to be dispellable and making sting no longer ignore spell immunity. This changed him from being arguably the best hero in dota during TI7 to being very very situational thereafter.

    • @MrAskmannen
      @MrAskmannen Год назад

      His new aghs punishes opponents for dispelling, but has too short of a cast range imo

  • @rdsasuke1
    @rdsasuke1 3 года назад +37

    Also Venomancer's ultimate comes from the Necromancer class from Diablo 2 and as such Xul from HoTS has it direct copy of it as well.

    • @michimatsch5862
      @michimatsch5862 3 года назад +2

      Was surprised that did not come up.

    • @aldrinmercado3475
      @aldrinmercado3475 3 года назад

      Op probably didnt play diablo

    • @henrylaz8964
      @henrylaz8964 3 года назад

      @@aldrinmercado3475 you dont need to, most of this video's content can be researched from online wiki/trivia. His illustration was helpful, tho.

    • @aldrinmercado3475
      @aldrinmercado3475 3 года назад

      @@henrylaz8964 op is young though he couldnt have played it

  • @JoNarDLoLz
    @JoNarDLoLz 3 года назад +35

    Summary on fighting against Venomancer:
    "I cant move"

    • @Biouke
      @Biouke 3 года назад

      Step 1: Put wards
      Step 2: Run
      Repeat until your assailant dies. Slowly. And painfully.

    • @yimkumerjamir3639
      @yimkumerjamir3639 3 года назад

      I don't feel so good

  • @legionnaire97
    @legionnaire97 3 года назад +27

    Ahhh the frustration of being slowed. TBH, I would rather be stunned than be slowed. If you're stunned, you understand that you cannot move and therefore have to wait it out. Whereas if you're slowed, you still have that HOPE that you can escape since you can still fight back only for you to be consumed by the inevitable death that is closing in. You can struggle all you want but in the end, you'll still be dead.

  • @johnmichaelreyes4577
    @johnmichaelreyes4577 3 года назад +15

    I remember when i had over an hour game using venomancer although we lost we still hold that long enough to make the game fun.... those 3x health and attack damage plague wards combine with a over stacked flesh heap pudge make our opponents struggle

  • @theolanderdilag3872
    @theolanderdilag3872 3 года назад +10

    "Will drive you bananas with his toxicity"
    > tfw venomancer is a hydralisk in dota1 and the race's BM is baneling stratt

  • @rennellarnejo4871
    @rennellarnejo4871 3 года назад +14

    Fuck Yeah didnt expect Veno will be next
    Thanks Dennis!

  • @Tenryuu19
    @Tenryuu19 Год назад +1

    If I recall correctly, the reason he was out for some versions in Dota 1 was that there was a bug with the Refresher, that made it spawn wisps in the second use of his ult, giving him the ability to build and train units.

  • @skypheonix619
    @skypheonix619 3 года назад +6

    Dennis The Tall: 6:41
    Valve Devs: WRITE THAT DOWN!
    WRITE THAT DOWN!!

  • @ryotanada
    @ryotanada 3 года назад +12

    "Look closer, D-enny!" KEKW, I can't!

  • @NiGHTSnoob
    @NiGHTSnoob Год назад +2

    You'll probably talk about Teemo again during Templar Assassin too, not just Viper, seeing as he's fundamentally a loose port of her. Short ranged but range, cloaks while standing still, lays traps, gets a damage boost when breaking stealth (attack speed instead of armor lowering but still)
    Also while Blinding Dart is functionally quite different from Refraction they're both abilities that allow you to do more damage and avoid several instances of damage rolled into one so they serve a similar purpose in the kit.

  • @MrTubeStuck
    @MrTubeStuck 3 года назад +3

    FINALLY!!! THANK YOU DENNIS FOR FINALLY COVERING MY FAVORITE HERO!!! YES I KNOW THIS IS IN ALL CAPS, I DONT CARE I WANT TO TRY SCREAMING THIS OUT FROM WHERE I AM TO WHERE YOU ARE!!! THANK YOU

  • @c_splash
    @c_splash 3 года назад +1

    The Corruption of the Virulent Krait set from the TI7 Collectors Cache seems like a callback to his hydra model.

  • @whatcontroller4624
    @whatcontroller4624 3 года назад +1

    Woah woah woah woah woah. Dennis hasn't reached 100k subs yet? Howw? His content is so well produced.

  • @rafaelperalta1676
    @rafaelperalta1676 3 года назад +1

    My favorite now is Veno. I'm almost near 300 games using him. It's such a delight playing with him as he can be adjustable enough to play any roles during a game.

  • @nurrohmatadiputra5378
    @nurrohmatadiputra5378 3 года назад +2

    I believe poison sting damage are only useful to disrupt regeneration. chip damage last longer on the hero since natural regen are countered/partially countered by the sting damage causing them to have to use tango more often and the tick damage prevent the use of salve without having to completely backing up from the lane for significant amount of time.
    Though later the slow are mostly what you used it for.

  • @theunfortunategeneral
    @theunfortunategeneral 9 дней назад

    havent played Dota for years.
    But this dude was my favorite.

  • @snayper7446
    @snayper7446 3 года назад +3

    Damn. Dota 1. Nostalgia hits hard. I remember skipping school with my classmates just to trashtalk each other on lan. Good times.

  • @kingamc15
    @kingamc15 3 года назад +1

    Dennis deserves at least 10 times more subscribers than he has now. Hope you get there soon brother . Cheers

  • @wouldyoukindly4657
    @wouldyoukindly4657 3 года назад +2

    Remember when venomancer was called hydralisk? And you can find him somewhere in the forest in warcraft 3 reign of chaos

  • @amandalindsey7741
    @amandalindsey7741 3 года назад +1

    Also with league you want a slithering champion who does poison damage, Cassiopeia fits this

  • @deathraze9
    @deathraze9 3 года назад +5

    Remember when they kept tweaking veno's poison and they made it deal pure damage? Lmao Bless the guy who did that.

  • @Ayahuasca98
    @Ayahuasca98 2 года назад +2

    I hope your great channel grows! Also Venomancer was my first dota main.

  • @DennisTheTall
    @DennisTheTall  3 года назад +12

    Also don't forget to join the channel to use these fun icons in the comments!

  • @ComeGetYourKnives
    @ComeGetYourKnives 2 года назад

    Dennis must have been high out of his mind in my game because all he did was buy all the observer wards and hoard them in his inventory while feeding the enemy team his plague wards. Great job Dennis!

  • @ryanryan3220
    @ryanryan3220 3 года назад +2

    Idk if Cassiopeia from League of Legends will be similar to venomancer. She does not have the ward, apply poison on her basic attack or ultimate. She does apply poison on her Q & W abilities. Her E ability makes her the DPS & her W ability slows & prevents enemy from using mobility abilities. She has the snake like appearance, too.

    • @ryanryan3220
      @ryanryan3220 3 года назад

      Thanks for the clarification.

    • @pvshka
      @pvshka 3 года назад

      Yeah I was wondering why he didn't being up Cass, thought she would be more related to Veno than either Teemo or Twitch.

  • @lazy-game-5531
    @lazy-game-5531 3 года назад +16

    fastest click in the west

  • @streamerkanz5445
    @streamerkanz5445 3 года назад +9

    I came late because venomancer's slowness affected me too hard :')

  • @FadeMorningstar
    @FadeMorningstar 3 года назад +4

    I haven't played Dota in 2 years now and I've actually become a league player (sadly still bronze ;_;) yet I always find myself watching these videos as soon as they come out
    Love the videos man keep them going

  • @VanjesKos
    @VanjesKos Год назад

    18:55
    The music is indeed fitting for such a story. Great job. :D

  • @Biouke
    @Biouke 3 года назад +1

    Finally ! Mah boi ! :D
    *picks veno* "Imma gonna PLAGUE their jungle ! "
    Oh, and here's a tip: You can hide plague wards in the trees for maximum nuisance, they don't need line of sight :3

  • @worganfreeman2694
    @worganfreeman2694 2 года назад

    My first ever dota1 hero. Used to love hearing that sound effect when shadowstrike hit its target.

  • @zeusandmagnus3446
    @zeusandmagnus3446 3 года назад

    Your drawings are getting so much better. Not that that's why I
    watch the videos but its a nice touch and cool so see the improvement from an earlier vid.

  • @howard6340
    @howard6340 3 года назад +1

    Love your work!

  • @vachder7350
    @vachder7350 3 года назад

    My first and still my favorite hero from all the way back in 2012, great video

  • @MrLolguy93
    @MrLolguy93 3 года назад +17

    >"Will drive you bananas with his toxicity"
    Too late for that, pal

  • @ryotanada
    @ryotanada 3 года назад +6

    You didn't mention that some of his abilities allow the enemy to be denied.

    • @doublewide8938
      @doublewide8938 3 года назад

      I mean I think that’s less on Veno and more on the base mechanics of if an ally hero is below a certain percentage and has a debuff that has the potential to kill them then they can be denied.

  • @serperialist1079
    @serperialist1079 3 года назад

    I was waiting for this with such eager

  • @BillTheChill654
    @BillTheChill654 3 года назад +1

    Great video! You missed a reference though; in HOTS, Xul has Poison Nova as one of his heroics

  • @geninmollinedo2636
    @geninmollinedo2636 3 года назад +2

    Could you do undying next? Fell in love with that hero and would love to see the history

  • @kilat1791
    @kilat1791 3 года назад

    Maybe poison nova is a bacterial infection that produces poison and the bacteria can't survive in a dead host so it makes sure that the victim does not die from it while the other spells are actual poison that will kill regardless.

  • @Russell007ifly
    @Russell007ifly 3 года назад +1

    My day has been made better

  • @valse6195
    @valse6195 Год назад

    Crazy how this video will be 2 years old tomorrow

  • @darkdestiny9106
    @darkdestiny9106 3 года назад +1

    Another fun fact to pull from League of Legends is that the champion Singed has a similar playstyle to the Ancient Hydra iteration of Venomancer, with a poison cloud ability that lets him damage anyone chasing after him, while being tanky and elusive with his skills to keep baiting them to follow.

  • @fogz
    @fogz 3 года назад +1

    Venomancer in dota 1 is the monster you don't want to see observing you and lurking at the dark, dota 2 venomancer is the one that chases you until it gets you

  • @hessiankyojin
    @hessiankyojin Год назад

    Venomancer really needs those Disease Clouds and make Poison Nova lethal again.

  • @prplprince8730
    @prplprince8730 3 года назад +7

    Why does Luna hate venomacer?
    It’s because veno keeps trying to poison nova!

  • @LiveGoDaYDaYs
    @LiveGoDaYDaYs 3 года назад +2

    The HoN version also have 100 % reduction on regen on his 3rd skill

  • @prime8393
    @prime8393 3 года назад

    This channel is so underrated. Ive follow this channel since 7-8 years ago.. Still cant pas 100k subscribers.. 😭 keep spirit bro...

  • @NateCummings
    @NateCummings 3 года назад

    I thought maybe I'd do a little drinking game, and take a shot everytime Dennis says the word "Poison," but then I passed out in a green jungle and now I'm an oozing banana snake.

  • @SwissFemboy
    @SwissFemboy 2 года назад +1

    Id love a hydralisk arcana/Immortal for Venom a true nostalgic set ^ ^ would be awesome

  • @flyingpenguin5978
    @flyingpenguin5978 3 года назад

    The thumbnail was a hydralisk. Sick.

  • @cboelcke694
    @cboelcke694 2 года назад

    Back when they added the initial round of EXP and later Lvl 10 Gold talents Jungle Veno at the offlane Duo Ancients and Jungle Camp was a gloriously greedy but very very easy way to get a stupid early Midas into a Veil + Aghs at like sub 20 mins and +5 levels on everyone. You would farm/stack the 1 camp and 2 Ancient camps with plague wards + Sting, with Iron Talon helping you get to the crucial level 3 since that is when you got Lvl 2 Plague Wards which could start to properly farm the ancient camp.

  • @Chiaros
    @Chiaros Год назад

    Your writing is top notch

  • @YoshoFrags
    @YoshoFrags 3 года назад

    Can't Like Videos 2x. But If I could, I Would! Epic Vid. Watching all the rest right now.

  • @Gigas0101
    @Gigas0101 Год назад

    I love Venomancer, got my only megakill with him by running away and screaming. He's such a lovely little scamp!

  • @doublewide8938
    @doublewide8938 3 года назад

    Fun note the MSI roster that won to make the poison ivy slither skin had both Fly and NoTail on it. I believe trixxy was their main slither player but I might be misremembering.

  • @allensmith9879
    @allensmith9879 11 месяцев назад

    Wayyy back when i first started playing Dota Venimancer was 5he go to easy / fun to play slightly overpowered hero. He was also big in the trilaning meta paired with something like CM / Viper it was impossible as a melee to lane vs.

  • @Tinskap
    @Tinskap 2 года назад

    i feel like making veno more like the hon veno would be super cool, they could impliment all of the mechanics by downgarding his damage a little.

  • @ashuea2
    @ashuea2 3 года назад +1

    Viper's rival back in DoTA 1

  • @thydzz2180
    @thydzz2180 3 года назад +3

    Poison Nova, or as I like to call it AOE Viper Strike

  • @antonisnicolaou9212
    @antonisnicolaou9212 3 года назад +1

    Hmm I really thought you would include Cassiopeia as a notable mention, she is THE DoT poison champion :P

  • @recorder2002
    @recorder2002 2 года назад +1

    8:12 hydralisk was'nt undead unit, hydralisk model was used to change a undead hero type.

  • @l33tc0d4
    @l33tc0d4 3 года назад +1

    The Name of the HON-Spell Toxicity itself is also a song from System of a Down. So someone probably tried to compress a few Metal jokes in there :)

  • @alfredomodesto319
    @alfredomodesto319 3 года назад

    My first hero during dota 1 days

  • @GojiEm
    @GojiEm 3 года назад +1

    Venomancer is definitely on my “Boys Stable”!
    DENNIS!
    WHAT BAR is Venomancer?

  • @jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745
    @jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 3 года назад

    the drawings are so awesome now

  • @dimensius8610
    @dimensius8610 3 года назад +1

    Poison Nova: Does not deal lethal damage.
    Me: Wait what?

  • @ZurinArctus0
    @ZurinArctus0 3 года назад

    Woah an update! Bless you!

  • @John-Salad
    @John-Salad 3 года назад

    i see you are a man of culture as well

  • @jertonmal
    @jertonmal 3 года назад +2

    Where can I buy these Venom toys?

  • @elgabs237
    @elgabs237 2 года назад

    ahhhh the green spitting Hydralisk

  • @aldrinmercado3475
    @aldrinmercado3475 3 года назад

    I remember the horror of facing ward build veno in mid. I was like wtf do i do?

  • @shadowcurtain
    @shadowcurtain 3 года назад

    still love that pick your poison voiceline and he had lethal ult too from Staff of Masters which i think veno should get from aghs too

    • @bb-im6hf
      @bb-im6hf 3 года назад +1

      didnt veno also have a lethal ultimate for a while in Dota 2?
      i think i remember a patch note that said it is now "no longer lethal"

    • @shadowcurtain
      @shadowcurtain 3 года назад

      @@bb-im6hf well now when u say it it might be true been such a long time i have probably forgotten about it

  • @sayitdd
    @sayitdd 3 года назад

    Nova works like the venom of a spider. You know keeping victims fresh. Like Frodo (Lord of the rings).

  • @befree1797
    @befree1797 3 года назад

    7:20 imagine mid venom with scepter and veil jumping into 4 1200hp heroes and just presing 2k dot. Now u need to hit all of then at least.

  • @HALEIWA7
    @HALEIWA7 2 года назад

    13:50 "Wink!" LOL.

  • @GearDiego23
    @GearDiego23 3 года назад

    my first ever played character back in 2012

  • @TEJR69
    @TEJR69 3 года назад

    Playing Veno as a carry is one of my longest pocket picks that like 95% of the time are often met with weird looks or outright disagreement and the player on the same lane picking carry instead of a support.
    The thing with Veno, he sure ain't your regular carry that can 1v2 easily, it's all about the positioning, vision and playing around your poisons/slows. (That Manta mentioned in the video, is super cool fot his build)
    Having for example Nature's prophet on your lane makes their game a living nightmare, all that can really fuck you up is Snapfire, Slark or anything with blink since you can't abuse the prophet's Q.
    Still, all of them having some kind of a dash/blink in their kit... poor AM still won't get his BF by 15 minute mark even if he'll try his best.
    If the enemy team is playing SUPER defensively, getting your hands on Meteor Hammer is one way of spreading your cancerous presence elsewhere and it adds that much needed stun for his kit.
    Overall, I always loved Veno, love, and always will

  • @allanmasanegra9523
    @allanmasanegra9523 3 года назад

    Excuse me dennis, can you also make a video history of luna and mirana?
    Or history of snapfire?

  • @valsotto27
    @valsotto27 3 года назад

    I was waiting for a starcraft reference

  • @luthfinicolasereni5595
    @luthfinicolasereni5595 2 года назад

    Since I have been using Venomancer, Pudge is not a nightmare for me anymore.

  • @bohopwood3872
    @bohopwood3872 3 года назад

    NICE VID MAN

  • @RatedB1
    @RatedB1 3 года назад

    Dennis knows the coolness of Lurkers~

  • @allekid
    @allekid 3 года назад

    Truth be told venommancer is the very first hero I've ever played

  • @foolishmuleth6757
    @foolishmuleth6757 3 года назад

    I think I have a good reason to get into Dota 2 now

  • @brunogonzalez5830
    @brunogonzalez5830 3 года назад

    My favourite hero

  • @jotardkujo3071
    @jotardkujo3071 3 года назад +1

    NEAT. chaos knight pls

  • @allanmasanegra9523
    @allanmasanegra9523 3 года назад

    Hey dennis the tall can you make a video of windranger dotalogy and vengeful spirit dotalogy?

  • @ruii933
    @ruii933 Год назад

    Kuku's most favorite hero

  • @Enger1
    @Enger1 3 года назад

    yes best hero finally

  • @hierarchlaurence
    @hierarchlaurence 3 года назад

    After hearing Hydralisks, my inner Zerg fanboi tingles

  • @blindtreeman8052
    @blindtreeman8052 3 года назад +4

    First?.(neat. Now have your attention. *Insert funny meme here*)

  • @cherryblossom1335
    @cherryblossom1335 3 года назад

    Wait、isn't poison sting stack with his ward? Both of debuff deal damage not only the highest one like dennis said

  • @cailooro7147
    @cailooro7147 3 года назад +1

    Please make a history of Queen of Pain next 😭😭😭

  • @damienadios968
    @damienadios968 3 года назад

    My main hero