Nike Kyrie Flytrap 4 Performance Review!

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  • Опубликовано: 27 дек 2024

Комментарии • 221

  • @EnchantedIDK
    @EnchantedIDK Год назад +9

    Tried these last Saturday (am an 11) at first they feel uncomfortable but after about 5 minutes of just wearing them all the pain disappeared and my God are these amazing, the traction is better than the KD V, I played on a dusty court and was the only one squeeking and not sliding. Def an amazing shoe even though it's what's called a budget shoe, it speaks completely different, the KD V Texas (which I own) goes from 500$ to 1,200$
    And I only paid for these 89$ and these where fantastic, it's a steal for how good these are! And their texture/shape of these just makes it better, it definitely made me excited to wear these again

  • @kantarotran7731
    @kantarotran7731 3 года назад +217

    Ok so I have the flytrap 4. Its not as bad as you think. The traction is pretty good and cushion is not as bad as you think. The outsole is durable too, I play those on outdoor courts, btw. In general these are quite the best budget basketball shoes , good price and performance.

    • @jacobcapalot
      @jacobcapalot 3 года назад +19

      thanks for the honesty, i’m ordering some tomorrow and was having a regretting feeling abt getting them

    • @xvprty1719
      @xvprty1719 3 года назад +4

      I'm thinking for get flytrap 4 but this is a good choice for outdoor?

    • @xvprty1719
      @xvprty1719 3 года назад +2

      @@jacobcapalot should I get for outdoor?

    • @jacobcapalot
      @jacobcapalot 3 года назад +3

      @@xvprty1719 if your just going to use them for outdoor than go for it, i’ve played with mine outdoor and it did just as good 👍🏽

    • @xvprty1719
      @xvprty1719 3 года назад +1

      @@jacobcapalot thank you bro I purchased now :)

  • @Jbasketball10
    @Jbasketball10 3 года назад +71

    The traction is amazing, the cushion is very bad, so I’d recommend inserting different insoles to make the shoe softer. Durability Is amazing. Also I would recommend going a whole size up if you have wide feet. If you have narrow feet then half a size up would work. I own a pair and these tips are from my experience. (:

    • @user-xn4bq2vv6y
      @user-xn4bq2vv6y 3 года назад

      Was traction good from day 1? Or did you have to break them in a little?

    • @Jbasketball10
      @Jbasketball10 3 года назад +3

      @@user-xn4bq2vv6y traction was already good from day 1, but got even better in a couple of days, of playing.

    • @andrewnunnes
      @andrewnunnes 3 года назад +1

      Are they more durable than the Kyrie 5s? I’m only getting these as a outdoor pair

    • @Jbasketball10
      @Jbasketball10 3 года назад +2

      @@andrewnunnes yes they are definitely more durable than the Kyrie 5’s. The rubber outsoles on the Kyrie Flytrap 3’s is harder than the rubber outsoles on the Kyrie 5’s. Thanks for the question.😃

    • @katsu5015
      @katsu5015 3 года назад

      I have to wear insoles these shoes are made for me. Cheap and I need my insoles anyway so this great thanks for making me aware

  • @trigger2766
    @trigger2766 4 года назад +107

    I have the flytrap 2 and 3 I'm planning to get the 4s hopefully my ankles dont break while using those

    • @francisiko7443
      @francisiko7443 4 года назад +7

      I broke my knee using flytrap 2

    • @adeepascua8151
      @adeepascua8151 4 года назад +3

      The flytrap 3 is good tho

    • @WyWid
      @WyWid 4 года назад +10

      The flytraps suck. No cushion. Get the kyrie lows. the kyrie 6s are like 70 bucks on goat so I would recommend the kyrie 6s

    • @konfuzion4276
      @konfuzion4276 4 года назад +1

      i almost destroyed my ankles using pg1s and that shoe has some of the worst traction ive played in

    • @WyWid
      @WyWid 4 года назад

      @@konfuzion4276 really? That’s some of the best traction for me. The best cushioned shows is the harden 1. It has booster in it

  • @Insomnia_tic
    @Insomnia_tic 3 года назад +30

    I love his reviews, but its all perspective. A kid from the projects would think these are a great deal

    • @valentineMr82
      @valentineMr82 3 года назад +5

      This hit hard ✊🏾

    • @kiaann6365
      @kiaann6365 2 года назад

      Ey for me its a great deal! 🥺

  • @vitouvitou3772
    @vitouvitou3772 4 года назад +3

    Ur channel is so underrated tbh. Ur the best!

  • @ohioballer69
    @ohioballer69 Год назад +2

    These are good “go to school in these” pair of shoes, they have good traction on outdoor courts unlike he says in the video, the shoes are not as bad as everyone thinks, the cushioning is mid but not that bad, and they look pretty cool.

  • @Tsp-Leviathan
    @Tsp-Leviathan 10 месяцев назад

    i got these in wolf grey as my first pair of basketball shoes like 2 years ago and they were fine on the blacktop court i was playing on but the second we moved to indoor i was sliding all over the place i thought it was just me so its good to see others are having this problem. def watching a review before i get my next pair😭

  • @Bomboclarrtt
    @Bomboclarrtt Год назад +1

    I want to buy kyries for daily use not for just basketball so like other sports (not football) so will these be good for that then

  • @lionheart31
    @lionheart31 4 года назад +8

    The first flytrap is still the best

  • @kaisakura8478
    @kaisakura8478 4 года назад +7

    JLIN ONE review next?

  • @Mmmurdamuzeek
    @Mmmurdamuzeek 4 года назад +20

    So I just bought the flytrap 4s and watched the review after using it almost got my ankles broken but managed to stay solid

    • @ghoid3462
      @ghoid3462 3 года назад +3

      So there good cause I got them and I got the black and gold and they clean

    • @veptize4805
      @veptize4805 2 года назад

      @@ghoid3462 same

  • @wyattdavies3661
    @wyattdavies3661 3 года назад +8

    I just got them and the first game I played was on a dusty gym but I bet they would be really good on non dusty gym and the sole can come out and good ankle support

  • @kendalmyers9445
    @kendalmyers9445 3 года назад +3

    Great video man👍. I just got a pair in blue for everyday use when I'm not working. They are very comfortable and they look cool. Glad I got a pair.

  • @gemini6055
    @gemini6055 4 года назад +51

    Lifestyle for sure but not a on court pair.

    • @Khamiooooo
      @Khamiooooo 4 года назад +26

      Definitely not a lifestyle shoe lmao

    • @WyWid
      @WyWid 4 года назад +2

      @@Khamiooooo just get the real model like the 7s or 6s

    • @gemini6055
      @gemini6055 4 года назад +9

      @@Khamiooooo For me it is and that's all that matters.

    • @katsu5015
      @katsu5015 3 года назад

      @@WyWid 7s are ass they have the durability of a piece of paper in water

    • @sausiceon5504
      @sausiceon5504 3 года назад

      Just like u : good to trash talk, bad in play.

  • @sol9rs
    @sol9rs 2 года назад +7

    My experience with these is quite bad The traction held up and the durability is good although some of the side piece broke and there’s something inside the shoe that broke poking me in the back of the foot sometimes.. the cushion is trash and always makes your feet hurt after 2+ hours or so and they kind of remind me of the curry 2 in the sense it feels like you’re playing on rocks

    • @Ahil7777
      @Ahil7777 2 года назад

      Ahh same the plastic cover thing broke inside which Is poking me. It looked like a bubble before.p

    • @sol9rs
      @sol9rs 2 года назад

      @@Ahil7777 good luck with that bro it’s gonna be making holes in your socks from now on lmao

    • @Ahil7777
      @Ahil7777 2 года назад

      @@sol9rs yoo it actually did 😭😭

  • @uhgelo
    @uhgelo 2 года назад +3

    Try the white colorway. The traction is not that bad and im playing in the Philippines and our court is so dusty, so dirty but im having good bites.

    • @glenardroque5136
      @glenardroque5136 2 года назад

      Hindi ba pumupudpod yung sole niya kapag sa outdoor idol? Meron ako Black/Lime colorway niyan, first time ko magagamit eh.

    • @johnpaulalbertsilvestre7200
      @johnpaulalbertsilvestre7200 2 года назад +1

      @@glenardroque5136 pang outdoor tlaga yan tol matibay yan sa outdoor

  • @ZimmyMizzy
    @ZimmyMizzy 3 года назад +9

    i have these and i love them . there the best basketball shoes i’ve ever had

    • @yareyaredaze4408
      @yareyaredaze4408 3 года назад +8

      Oh okay good, this dude may me worry that these are shit

    • @DHKKOBE
      @DHKKOBE 2 года назад

      @@yareyaredaze4408 they are

    • @JJXreviews
      @JJXreviews Месяц назад

      @@DHKKOBEik im late but the only bad thing is the cushion

  • @JayFlacko
    @JayFlacko 4 года назад +5

    You having a bad bite is very weird... k4s biting very well outside and on clean courts after broken in. Might be the black glossy bottoms on yours. And the minimal material does feels great on foot

    • @trinitypirlet3813
      @trinitypirlet3813 4 года назад +1

      so you recommend?

    • @pinkplayzgameyt9915
      @pinkplayzgameyt9915 2 года назад +1

      @@trinitypirlet3813 I have these ones and they Perform Dang Great on my Opinion because I play on Med - Dusty Court

  • @CHRISTIANICALABIS
    @CHRISTIANICALABIS Год назад

    I have them and they performed well, I really love how the traction grip on the outdoor and indoor courts but I think the translucent outsole is much better than the solid rubber outsole based on my experienced.

  • @akiramatsushima1585
    @akiramatsushima1585 4 года назад +28

    I'd rather have them cutting corners on cushion instead of traction smh.

    • @danielluong9480
      @danielluong9480 4 года назад +4

      you wont be saying that when you get older and need cushion for your knees and back

    • @sebastianandersen6225
      @sebastianandersen6225 4 года назад +3

      @@danielluong9480 facts.

    • @ioxoxoi
      @ioxoxoi 3 года назад

      Just buy insoles. But for traction its hard to replace outsoles

  • @rykiepooo
    @rykiepooo Год назад

    Just got a pair and everything about it was really good I think my shoes are a newer model of the flytrap 4s because it has a different traction patter and the materials are not cheap and look a lot better than his

  • @willf6856
    @willf6856 Год назад

    love these. had to pop the zoom it digs into my foot.

  • @SilentSkipper.
    @SilentSkipper. Год назад

    From the looks of it,I’m gonna assume it’s very good for wide feet?

  • @edrickdestine2027
    @edrickdestine2027 2 года назад +1

    You should wipe hand sanitizer on the bottom for grip and traction. This is what Mikey Williams does for traction

  • @roben4113
    @roben4113 Год назад +1

    Actually i have the fly 4s its actually good even though the court is dusty i still have great grip and good squeak. The cushion is just like average and low to the ground. I have been playing it on an outdoor court and indoor even though the outsole is smooth as hell its grip is still great but the squeak is non existent now.

  • @codykeenan5288
    @codykeenan5288 4 года назад +32

    I’d it just me or so these look clean 🔥🔥

    • @Insomnia_tic
      @Insomnia_tic 3 года назад

      The solid colors they have now really tie in the shape of the shoe and they look fresh fosure

  • @sharpshooteryoung4713
    @sharpshooteryoung4713 4 года назад +5

    I am getting the 3 and probably will get the 4.

    • @kristianfowler3808
      @kristianfowler3808 4 года назад +3

      get the nike kyrie flytrap 3 much better than the 4 if ur looking for a shoe that will last outdoors hehe :) just saying

    • @sharpshooteryoung4713
      @sharpshooteryoung4713 4 года назад +2

      @@kristianfowler3808 thanks for info

  • @ibrahimbakshi2007
    @ibrahimbakshi2007 3 года назад +1

    Make a battle of the budgets segment please

  • @eymenusludur568
    @eymenusludur568 3 года назад +1

    Do you think flytrap 4 will be bought?

  • @aydengonzalez8496
    @aydengonzalez8496 3 года назад +1

    Ok so can anyone tell me if i should keep them as basketball shoes, because i just got them for basketball season, so should i return for other shoes

    • @zxdrone8837
      @zxdrone8837 3 года назад +1

      Return and get the nike renew elevate 10 bucks cheaper
      Edit: or get the kd trey 5 xi xd

  • @danielshahab174
    @danielshahab174 4 года назад +6

    Can you do a performance review for the kyrie 7 please? Planning on getting them but need to know what they’re like first.

  • @dripzz6912
    @dripzz6912 2 года назад +2

    Yo guys im getting these tommorow what would you rate there traction on clean/dusty courts

    • @pinkplayzgameyt9915
      @pinkplayzgameyt9915 2 года назад

      I got this on my Birthday this 2022 March and I Play on Med - Dusty Court and The Traction is 8/10

  • @ryansanchez4306
    @ryansanchez4306 2 года назад

    i buy 1 and its good for me.. maybe the old kyrie FT4 you are showing likely year 2020?...
    mine is 2022 version..its ok to me.. nice design especially the gray and white combination...

  • @Kalaqko
    @Kalaqko 2 года назад +1

    Can you wear this shoe Just for recreation

  • @rusherChoi
    @rusherChoi 3 года назад +1

    I have flytrap3ep size10.5 then what size should I wear for flytrap4?( sorry my english level is very low..)

  • @taihuynh9538
    @taihuynh9538 2 года назад +2

    I just got these for $30 I've watched a few reviews on this shoe saying they're garbage but at $30 couldn't pass it up

    • @sports5651
      @sports5651 2 года назад

      How? From where? Brand new?

    • @taihuynh9538
      @taihuynh9538 2 года назад +1

      @@sports5651 one day on Eastbay they were listing shoes for dirt cheap I got my pg5s for 38 bucks, I only go on eastbay now since they have crazy discounts especially right now they have a 40% discount

    • @sports5651
      @sports5651 2 года назад

      @@taihuynh9538 Labor Day sales all over the place from different retailers.
      Finish Line has 40% off too some clearance items.

    • @sports5651
      @sports5651 2 года назад

      @@taihuynh9538 I didn’t know about Eastbay. Saw someone else recommend them too. Gotta check them out.
      Hoping for some cheap Kyries.

    • @sports5651
      @sports5651 2 года назад

      @@taihuynh9538 Labor Day 40% off sale.
      Harden Vol. 6 $72
      Others too. Dame. Kyrie. Lebrons. Trae.
      Waiting for the PG6 to go on sale. Can get for $85 but the KD15 were the same price and got them instead.
      Hopefully the PG6 go down like the PG5.

  • @kristianfowler3808
    @kristianfowler3808 4 года назад +5

    i must say that i like the Kyrie flytrap 3 better than the 4s interms of durability for outdoor use :) but i dont khow haha this is just what i think if u think im wrong let me khow :) but they are both cool

  • @DHKKOBE
    @DHKKOBE 2 года назад +1

    They feel so weird and bad to me I feel bad because my dad brought them for me and they suck selling them for 50$ size 12

  • @marioastro3755
    @marioastro3755 2 года назад

    I have That Colored Black And Gold But The Issue The Back Of The Shoes You Testing in It Is So² squishy And The Rubber Is So Smooth But Mine Is Very² Spike On The Floor And The Back Is Not Squishy So² Tough

  • @quackball9neighbors385
    @quackball9neighbors385 3 года назад +3

    Are these good for hooping outside?

  • @danielcaponesiii9506
    @danielcaponesiii9506 3 года назад +3

    Flytrap 1 still the best.

  • @oscarsauceda614
    @oscarsauceda614 3 года назад +2

    His this a high or mid!?

  • @popoythegreatone7377
    @popoythegreatone7377 4 года назад +5

    I guess you didn't break the shoes in. You just had like a few hours in them :(

  • @janjanmoices4828
    @janjanmoices4828 2 года назад

    When is the release date of kyrie flytrap 4 by the way

  • @gulp540z9
    @gulp540z9 4 года назад +1

    I'm still new to shoes and such but are the flytrap 3s good

    • @Jbasketball10
      @Jbasketball10 3 года назад

      The traction is amazing, the cushion is very bad, so I’d recommend inserting different insoles to make the shoe softer. Durability Is amazing. Also I would recommend going a whole size up if you have wide feet. If you have narrow feet then half a size up would work. I own a pair and these tips are from my experience. (:

  • @demigodeditz9995
    @demigodeditz9995 3 года назад +2

    My foot doesn’t even fit in the shoe we got the biggest size we could my feet are to wide

  • @jazielcarballo3734
    @jazielcarballo3734 3 года назад

    Harden steback 2 or kyrie flytrap 4? Which one would you recommend?

    • @roman.ob2294
      @roman.ob2294 3 года назад

      I’m play shooting guard and i ordered the kyrie 4s but I was thinking about the stepbacks so idk

  • @sharpshooteryoung4713
    @sharpshooteryoung4713 4 года назад +2

    I play a ton of Basketball! basketball is the best your channel is awesome.

  • @x-MrSnyper360-x
    @x-MrSnyper360-x 3 года назад +1

    Idk how I feel now bc I just ordered a pair, I’m seeing mixed reactions in the comments, but atm I have no basketball shoes at all, so they’ll have to do

    • @sarahpepin4709
      @sarahpepin4709 3 года назад +1

      Same! I think I'll give mine a shot but I'm a little nervous.

    • @vay4x
      @vay4x 3 года назад +1

      Mine get here today I’ll lyk how they are

    • @vay4x
      @vay4x 3 года назад +2

      @@sarahpepin4709 mine get here today I’ll tell you how it is

    • @sarahpepin4709
      @sarahpepin4709 3 года назад +1

      @@vay4x Thanks!

    • @vay4x
      @vay4x 3 года назад +1

      @@sarahpepin4709 uh it got delayed so I got them yesterday but the cushion is decent and the bite on the shoe is solid the materials don’t feel the best overall it’s 8/10 and worth buying

  • @Abdjim134
    @Abdjim134 3 года назад +2

    are these good for outoor use?

  • @Stargazing1k
    @Stargazing1k 2 года назад

    I don’t know how but I have the same pair but the traction is awesome not as good as the Kyrie signature line but guys believe me it’s good

  • @yirenzhao3769
    @yirenzhao3769 4 года назад +1

    Which is better flytrap iii or this?

    • @shiiny2053
      @shiiny2053 3 года назад

      The 3s have better durability when you play outdorr but idk about other stuff

  • @creida7922
    @creida7922 3 года назад +1

    Are these good for wide feet

  • @w.j.b6731
    @w.j.b6731 3 года назад +1

    Should I get the flytrap 3 or 4?

  • @joshperalta6913
    @joshperalta6913 4 года назад +1

    Please compare to kyrie 7

  • @retrodealer6495
    @retrodealer6495 2 года назад

    Found these Runners at a yard sale for five bucks. Near mint condition might Sale them on eBay lol?. They're good for a good casual walk rather than basketball.

  • @holliewhite9471
    @holliewhite9471 4 года назад +2

    I had flytrap 3s

  • @xianjsmith8596
    @xianjsmith8596 3 года назад

    2:30
    The sneaker head in me:😭😭😭

  • @evergreenthunder
    @evergreenthunder 4 года назад +3

    40° is too cold for balling fam ❄

  • @badboy-tw2qt
    @badboy-tw2qt 2 года назад +1

    this was the only shoe i could get and for you to say its very bad i just like dont know what to think anymore man

  • @izza2681
    @izza2681 4 года назад +7

    What happen to donnie boy please bring him back

    • @luckytai-lan2166
      @luckytai-lan2166 4 года назад

      VLOG 100 he explained why he isn't part of this channel anymore.

    • @carmelchocolate5743
      @carmelchocolate5743 4 года назад +2

      Why does sammy needs don ? He is completely useless. All he does is say "yeah" every 5 minutes.

  • @dalo2017
    @dalo2017 3 года назад

    can u play them outdoor?

  • @WyWid
    @WyWid 4 года назад +1

    Where’s Donny?

  • @tranhoagia
    @tranhoagia 4 года назад +2

    this or kd trey 5 8?

  • @raideruhu7896
    @raideruhu7896 3 года назад +1

    I just bought them

  • @Johnnysins42006
    @Johnnysins42006 2 года назад

    I have a pair and cushion is pretty bad there not that comfortable but it’s not a bad performance shoe

  • @schoolunblocked836
    @schoolunblocked836 2 года назад

    Traction was good, but the quality was not the best. After one season of using these shoes they ripped down the side.

  • @isaacdrake8124
    @isaacdrake8124 3 года назад +1

    Are they light?

  • @Thor7
    @Thor7 4 года назад

    What happened to the other soul brother? If anybody knows, please reply. Thanks.

    • @liiou4445
      @liiou4445 3 года назад

      He got married and have to worry about personal life

    • @Thor7
      @Thor7 3 года назад

      @@liiou4445 Thanks.

  • @leonblack751
    @leonblack751 3 года назад +1

    That color sold out ,so its must be nice.

    • @k0rny067
      @k0rny067 3 года назад

      They restocked it just picked a pair up at dicks sporting

  • @yarielfontaneznieves2548
    @yarielfontaneznieves2548 3 года назад +1

    Dammmmn bro, i buy this shoes like 3 or 4 months ago and i brake my ankles two times.

  • @samkamara2210
    @samkamara2210 4 года назад +1

    Wait I haven't watched in a while. Where is Don?

    • @brandonleung6828
      @brandonleung6828 4 года назад

      hes taking a break - they annouced it on one of their vblog post a year ago.

  • @lloyddoculan2316
    @lloyddoculan2316 4 года назад

    Plz do kobe 4 vs kd 12

  • @jiaw5308
    @jiaw5308 4 года назад

    I like flytrap iii beter then the 1, 2, 4

  • @hotdogdaddychill4512
    @hotdogdaddychill4512 2 года назад

    Why u say traction not tractioneys

  • @ashlyn4236
    @ashlyn4236 4 года назад +1

    I have the 4’s

  • @zorgg
    @zorgg 2 года назад

    After 2 years of consistent use the sole is worn off and no gro at all

  • @n.rballer7516
    @n.rballer7516 4 года назад +1

    What happened two donnie Boy

  • @mamba.619
    @mamba.619 4 года назад +3

    I'm indian and just want a budget, soft and durable shoes. The shoe is flat as hell. No cushions

    • @sebastianandersen6225
      @sebastianandersen6225 4 года назад

      Nike zoom kd13's are 34% off on Nike's website right now:)

    • @JadeW27
      @JadeW27 3 года назад

      The puma taxon 6 are great shoes on a budget but they are running shoes

  • @NARUTOoPxD
    @NARUTOoPxD 2 года назад

    These shoes are good but cushioning is a lil bad

  • @paulexe11
    @paulexe11 4 года назад +8

    Looks like hyper dunk .

    • @sarahpepin4709
      @sarahpepin4709 3 года назад

      Yes! I owned hyper dunks for a long time and they finally gave out for me so I needed a new shoe. Bought these as a replacement because they looked similar.

  • @ishaansubudhi7248
    @ishaansubudhi7248 3 года назад +2

    not tryna hate but I wanna play a drinking game whenever you say "you know"
    HAHAAHAHAHAAA

  • @tripleben9457
    @tripleben9457 4 года назад +1

    flytrap 1-3 always $80 until 4. typical sammy talking non sense

    • @jeyhoxseries2674
      @jeyhoxseries2674 4 года назад

      in ours the flytraps (1-4) were always $90-$95, maybe sammy lives in a different state or idk

  • @jellybean3057
    @jellybean3057 3 года назад +1

    I am now satisfied with this shoes when I saw an african tribe hunter runnin with an ordinary rubber shoes endurance hunting a prey by exhausting it.

  • @whxoosh2700
    @whxoosh2700 2 года назад

    this or 3

  • @DFGxTR3l
    @DFGxTR3l 3 года назад +1

    Wipe the bottom of your shoes

  • @kingjosh1959
    @kingjosh1959 3 года назад

    All seeing eye and pyramid on the back

  • @j_igbo_404
    @j_igbo_404 4 года назад +11

    JESUS CHRIST loves you

  • @Therealnomatterwhatido
    @Therealnomatterwhatido 4 года назад +1

    No views

  • @lombxrdo
    @lombxrdo 4 года назад

    STARKOUL

  • @ThanoseTheOneAndOnly
    @ThanoseTheOneAndOnly 4 года назад

    yooooo

  • @aguslara2231
    @aguslara2231 4 года назад

    Lol

  • @nathanmiller4334
    @nathanmiller4334 4 года назад

    Kinda sounds like they suck

  • @Followwherethetruthleads
    @Followwherethetruthleads 4 года назад

    Trash traction. This shoe

  • @fishing4life719
    @fishing4life719 4 года назад

    3rd

  • @josephbautista6130
    @josephbautista6130 4 года назад

    4th 😆

  • @Dial9526
    @Dial9526 4 года назад

    1st

  • @Kailin123
    @Kailin123 3 года назад

    Do they work on concrete

  • @lloyddoculan2316
    @lloyddoculan2316 4 года назад

    Plz do kobe 4 vs kd12