I hope I'll make a video one day (hopefully soon) with a title like this "Fujifilm autofocus is fixed! It works nice" You can complain to fuji to give us the 1.03 AF back + the newest features , red bar , touch track , sounds , and etc. Only with noise they will hear us.
That's always been true, no matter how exciting the updates. Honestly, those that are most likely to update are those that need to make a dozen videos praising or damning the update. For many years now, end users are new beta testers. And those moaning the most should really know better - not to excuse Fuji's approach to pre-release testing, but that is the reality. And yes guilty as charged, I'm on the latest x-t5 FW. The integration of updates within the app certainly encourages earlier adoption. More beta testers!
@@zenstoodiIt's not 2010 anymore. Some testing will be done beforehand, but not extensively when there are thousands of users who will do it for free. You used to be able to sign up for beta testing programmes to access the latest updates, but that's not so common now. No need. This isn't like Sonos updating it's app and bricking functionality with no one having a choice. This is quite literally people rushing out to voluntarily change a perfectly functioning FW version. I'm glad such people exist for the same time I never volunteered to be a beta tester back in the day.
They’ll be like, “Guy you just have to use this simple workaround and manual focus at all times even if your camera is videoing on a gimbal, you guys just have no skill” but then also talk about how there are no issues with eye autofocus, lol
I think it's crucial for us to come together and actively write to Fujifilm, demanding a response and a solution. When contacting Fujifilm, please include a detailed description of the problem, mentioning how the autofocus point displayed on the screen does not match the actual focus point, and how the focus is unstable and unreliable. Emphasize that this issue makes the camera practically unusable for professional work, and request a confirmation that they are working on a fix.
Again, as a Fujifilm user, thanks for trying to change things for the better. Since they changed management i haven't been able to appreciate anything they did recently
I want Fujifilm to succeed, but they have lost sight of what's important in the last couple of years. Investing R&D in completely pointless things like a GFX wildlife lens, 2 medium format camera releases back to back that make no sense, not updating the highly requested X lenses. If they genuinely want to make a positive impact, their top priorities need to be as follows - 1. Fix Autofocus 2. Update X-mount lens line-up with faster motors that can keep up with improved AF 3. Innovate with sensor technology to improve low light sensitivity and S-N-R
Is anyone buying the 16-50? F 4.8? Maybe for birds its okey... A non sense lens. Only to fix 40mp. Xt50? Xs20? X100vi? Arent they an xt5? I only see the same camera. Blurryfilm, fix your Focus...
I disagree. New kit lens XF 16-50/2.8-4.8 is ideal for holidays, or as a ultra light zoom for landscapes. It's very small, very light, do not extend while zooming, has WR and LM. Good to very good overall IQ. And it will cost 400$ bundled as a kit with camera. I mean, what's the problem here?
They should also release true parafocal lenses if they think seriously about filmmakers. Fix this wired exposure change when zooming etc… on paper X-H2S is dream filmmaker camera but in practice maybe for only manual focus cinema lenses and without IBIS because it also sucks when panning.
The only good news is that we know mechanically and physically the camera is capable based on what we see on the earlier firmware. The problem is, can Fuji utilize the hardware like the first firmware, or even better?
Me three. I’ve got an OM-1.2 running alongside my X-H2, I’m not retired and don’t ‘bird’, but I can’t get past the fact their AF is way better. Face detect does what it says, and you can lock onto the eye you select and it will then follow that one, regardless of how many others there are in the frame. I also discovered just last night how that works even in a dark room, when my X-H2 couldn’t even focus on a single static point in AF-S. Sorry Fuji. It’s been fun, but you might be going soon.
Another great video highlighting the piss-poor state of Fuji AF on their newest cameras with X-Trans 5... Roman Fox recently put out a video of the X100VI and his "first impressions", to which I called him out on as an owner of an X100VI on FW 1.10 and having duplicated your results with that camera as well, and of course he came back with a defensive response and other Fuji fanboy's came to object to my statement and defended the camera, using the "but this is a different use case and so it's fine"... Fuck me, it's not fine, especially not for the money Fuji sells these things for! Keep up the fight exposing these idiots and shining a light on Fuji, they won't change their ways until they start feeling it financially...
@@edvard2942 Yeah I don't even bother with his "reviews" anymore, he doesn't know what he's talking about... I hear ANYONE claim Fuji AF is "on par with competition" I tune out right away, though I do wish that statement was actually true :(
Eddy, it's probably because he's videos are 100% focused on street photography. And as You know, street photography is easiest photo genre, super popular among Fujifilm users - basically because it requires almost zero skill or knowledge to take photo of any crap You find when hanging around the streets :)
In a way this is good news. We can at least see first hand where the problems started and know that 1.03 seemed to give the best AF for video (at least). It looks like 6.00 was the icing on the cake where a new problem emerged as well as just amplifying all the previous f/w iterations. Whilst I am fairly content to run two of my XH2S's on 5.03, I do not enjoy the thought that I could be experiencing BETTER AF on an earlier f/w.
you are the only person who actually know how to test autofocus, putting it to the hardwork is the only way to thoroughly know how good the autofocus of the camera is.
Yep, completely agree. Did a video focus comparison of my own between the A7iv and Fuji X-S20 and watching the video side by side the A7iv is considerably better, TBF it is double the cost but the A6700 I had for awhile was even a bit better than the A7iv and that is a comparable camera to the X-S20. Seriously Fuji needs to fire whoever is in charge of the autofocus software and get a whole new team, what they have is not working and as you show it's getting worse.
I think Fujifilm already did it. Fuji fired strong tech.team and hired cheapest engineers as they can only found. And this team just broke AF with FW as we all can see now.
Wow, Fujifan boys, look at this, even fot CineDailies. Nobody is gonna say to CineDailies he is noob and user error??? My gosh... Blurryfilm... Focus on fix your Focus...
@@jcar4522 haha yeah i’ll eventually share my experience with the AF and share some solutions. Right I have no time in-between commercials using the xh2s. I do use AF natively for jobs, just youtube. 80% of the time I use manual lenses. But Fuji needs to address this sooner than later.
I was wondering if he did go through all the updates on the same day? You can see the camera does not move when he is walking towards the camera and back with the balcony/window behind.
@@matango1979 and considering the fact that all the updates are available on the website right now, the whole video could have been recorded in less than a day
They installed AI autofocus tracking but instead of the same kind as the one found in Sony and Canon, they went with the budget retarded step brother. I stand by this statement.
appreciate the video bro... planning to buy a FUJI XH2S for fuji color science .. but am really confused now that they ruining autofocus more and more .
Considering ditching Fuji after 10 years, this firmware debacle is ridiculous, they happy to take our money then put out crap to ruin what was an amazing camera when it 1st arrived. Maybe lumix s5ll which from what I see is continual improvements in its firmware
Thank you for the excellent work you've done ! Personally I'm just a hobbyist who use the video functions very little and the autofocus on my XH2 is suitable for my "photo only" use, but I'd really like Fuji to take these requests for improvement into account ! I wanted to repost your video on the fuji subreddit but my publication was censored :)
Thank you for making these videos. The core Fujifilm users will take anything they make as face value and will not accept criticism. Maybe Fujifilm executives aren't even aware of the issues the development team is making. That is what I hope, at least.
So I just watched a few videos of your channel and videos you mentioned. I think people say you might not be trustworthy as you only have a few videos and you do not mention all settings used so I wanted to research a bit more. But now that you did this comparison, I am baffled honestly. This is not looking good for Fuji, thanks for showcasing this! I also hope they fix this really soon... I saw people claim the X-S20 has improved a lot though in the 6.0 firmware, could you test this? Also, which AF mode did you use for this test, Multi or area? I can clearly see it got worse, but still I would like to know which mode this was? Did you manage to downgrade the firmware or did you just get another one and how so? I am not sure how you mean they "added AI", did the H2S not have subject detection on release (I seriously don't know, please explain)?
It was never mentioned that the AI was smart or had high intelligence. Maybe the AI they installed was dropped in the head as a baby? Or its computer mother was smoking crack while pregnant. I don’t judge. Fujifilm should be given a trophy for helping the disabled/handicapped community. I am signing a petition to have fujifilm cameras as the preferred camera for special olympics.
For the “AI needs internet” part: its actually don’t. When you use chat got or genAI features in adobe, your software does not include any “AI” models, it just acts like a mailman sending your data to the server and receiving the result, thats why you need internet. Its not possible for camera to connect to the internet and autofocus in the real time because it will be very laggy, so the “AI” features need to be implement right on the camera. For the file size part: “AI” is just the buzz word for the mass, for camera I’m pretty sure its just deep learning. For short, deep learning is just neural network with many layers, the configuration of the deep neural network is just parameters for each layer. Therefore the firmware carrying the deep neural network configuration can be very light, and yes they can update the “AI” by updating the deep learning model configuration as long as it does not break the hardware limit. Also to answer to the same file size part, I just guess maybe the firmware is a binary or hex file with limited maximum size, the actual firmware itself might be less than 110MB and the rest will be fill with 0 or 0xFF, just like when you burn a CD, it will have the same size of ~700MB no matter of your content. I’m no expert on this, just guessing. For the camera to focus, the “AI” subject recognition is just for telling the camera where to focus. Its might be the focusing is broken by itself. You can test the single point af-c to figure out where does the problem came from. If the single point af-c works fine then its the “AI” fault.
I agree, Maybe I am wrong too, but on firmware 3.0 they said that they've added "AI subject recognition" deep learning, but I didnt see any difference between 1-2 and 3. Only the af was a little worse.
Its normal for a “AI” model update without any improvement or getting worse irl 😂 maybe they are under the time pressure and release trash products, they need more robust testing and validation process. But if its just the “AI” subject recognition part fault then its still ok because theoretically they can improve it, if its the autofocus mechanism is broken by itself then there is almost no way to improve, we then need new camera or maybe new mount.
No kidding. This is why I sold all my Fuji gears. Fuji’s video capability sucks, not even a commercial level. Exposure stepping is a bonus. Their lenses all suck as well in terms of steady exposure.
My patience is wearing out with fuji. I bought the xh2s because i thought it was supposed to be their best/fastest auto focusing model, not just in photo but in video too. Ive been with them long enough that i didnt expect it to be as good as the latest sony cameras. But its ridiculous that the only reliable and somehwat consistent af mode is afs. Im back to my dslr days using focus recompose method. Lately its getting harder and harder justifying to myself why i stick with fuji. Yes i love the lenses, the colors and many other things, but im getting tired of thinking i got the shot becasue i got the green light confirmation, just to get home and see an unacceptable percentag3 of photots either backfocused or frontfocused. This has been an issue for a long time. Sadly, i think it may be time for me to let go of the xh2s. If i can only shoot in AFS, I misght as well just stick with my old xh1.
Thank's for doing this work for all of us!! I don't remember having had unsharp images. I am using a GFX since two years and I am afraid of getting jobs done. I think, I used all rands and sensor sizes, but I became difficult, especially when it comes to autofocus, full magnification (manual lenses) and wrongly placed menues. Feels like the partner you love, but doesn't like you.. in old times, cameras were finished. Now we get unfinished Christmas presents. Looks like, they have agreements who is allowed to improve what.. I think my Minolta 8000i (analog camera) was better :-) :-) :-) . I will test it and give you my results. Cheers and thank you again!
did you had the false green boxes on any previous FW? They truly went from being acceptable for slight video work to absolutely not usable even for talking head stuff. will look forward to the Stills video
I've taking a passing interest in this. The 6.01 as far as I've seen isn't the fix, it is for taking selfies. Fuji are saying July for the AF fix. Think I saw it on Fuji Rumors.
Supposedly Fuji will release a firmware upgrade next month (July) that according to FujiRumors may finally address the AF regressions. Thanks again for making these tests, showing the issues and hopefully Fuji is paying attention. If I was Fuji, I would send you direct a camera model with the latest Firmware update ready to go for testing and pick up back. PS: I just saw the end of your video. I think to me the issue is, they are not having a proper software quality testing procedure to capture all these regressions and make sure it all still works its best. Something to be fair: you are testing in video. It's possible the AF in stills photo is much much better. At least that's what I sort of saw when I tried the X-T50 at a local fuji event dealer recently.
@@Jannevisuals I saw some and posted accordingly my own experience with the X-T50 at the Fuji event, where I validated one of the findings. Just wanted to make clear that this video with this firmware version is talking about video and may not necessarily reflect what this firmware does on stills.
@@Jannevisuals So far my experience with my new purchased X-T50 is that AF doesn’t s*ck for stills. But woudl have to see what conditions we are talking about to be fair.
So I think that there didn't seem to be such problems with focusing on my camera before, but it was at the level of sensations. With each new firmware, I began to notice a deterioration in the stability of autofocus. As a result, it's 6.01 now - the autofocus in the video is just terrible!!!
They really should just make all the software available to download from their site and allow users to downgrade. Let the user decide which works best for them.
Thank you edvard for doing this. Point the issue its the only way to fix it. So guys, message Fuji, make noise and more noise. Thank you edvard, shoutout to you
Imagine Sony, Canon or Nikon having this kinda issue with their current flagship camera. Let's face it: Fujifilm cameras are great for stills of shooting the back of a vintage car or basketball hoops. Oh yea, and the colors are pretty. Once you hit the point where quality is a requirement, you better ditch those cameras immediately.
The best thing the folks @Fujifilm can do right now is bringing out a public statement and let us all know if they're actually working on this huge problem or not. This update is another joke and and I do consider it as a serious insult to all their loyal users.
@@jcar4522 I tried Sony, but everything I shot with it looked like a Breaking Bad Mexico scene. Can colors be fixed in post - yeah. Do I want to deal with that for hundreds of photos? No.
@@hanns1401 Dont have that problem with sonys friend (talking about video). In fact, the luts i use with fuji seems to match better with sony footage (and they are supossed to be made for fuji). No yellow, green or red, they are okey
Fuji pushing me to change my gears to Sony or Canon. If I cannot find your video to fix and downgrade the firmware for a temporary solution, I will sell all the fuji gear. Thanks so much.
Looking forward to the stills video. I don’t shoot video myself but my X-H2 with firmware v4 exhibits some really strange behaviour. Just last night I was taking a picture of my son. Well lit, wasn’t moving, 16-55 red badge (one of their best, apparently) at 50mm f4 (so was giving the AF a chance by not shooting wide open). He’s looking at me. The camera can’t detect either eye so frames his face. It’s OK, I still got the shot. Then he turned round so the back of his head was facing me, and the camera immediately locked on to one of his ears as if it was an eye. WTF?! 😂
I’ve had the camera since release and always thought it was pretty decent at the start and felt it was getting worse with each update but then thought “nar can’t be they definitely must be making it better” and convinced myself it was me just noticing it being bad more often rather than the camera, but this video perfectly shows what I had thought all along. It’s rubbish now, and I’ve been hopeful and patient since owning an xt3 since 2019 but my patience is running out fast. How did you revert back to the first version?
I did similar videos about Fuji AF ~ 3 years ago. I loved Fuji for stills, but was shooting more video and it just didn’t work for my needs (eye AF). Rather than get frustrated, I sold a bunch of Fuji gear and bought into Sony. It’s been a bit of a learning curve, but I’m sooooo glad I switched. It seems like you may be at that similar turning point. Just some thoughts from a Randumb viewer.
Switching is an (expensive) option, but what would be even better is if Fuji could get their shit together. There's a lot to love about Fuji outside of the AF, and I'd like to see them succeed on merit, not just chase the next viral marketing fad.
You know what’s weird.. X-H1 with the latest firmware, a camera from 2018, has a much better AF performance than X-H2S with the latest firmware. Try it.
@@Princeton_Jamesnow you guys have something to debate. Settings and firmware version. Make another video and show the world how bad Fuji AF. We need a fix for this mediocrity
I switched to Sony and now I'm happy. It's not worth it this day-and-age to deal with companies that can't even acknowledge the issue. "Fuji colors" be damned.
Looking forward to the stills tests. I think majority of fuji users are actually in the system for stills, so that will be extremely helpful for a lot of folk. Thanks again for the info, really saved me from updating. I have xh2 though and I am really wondering if there's any difference between those h2 and h2s. Any chance you could get your hands on it?
It's now clear that it's a bug in the latest update. In any case, Fujifilm makes good cameras. I assume in the next updates they will solve the problem, let's wait and see.
I have the xT3 and I feel like it does better than this. Thinking about upgrading for video and these videos over the past few weeks have made me want to change brands...
Anybody knows where We can report this issue? I made my own test... My XH2s works little better than your on v6.0 but its far away to result from v1.03.
You know what, I found myself using my Sirui Anamorphic lens more than ever after upgrading to firmware 6.0. I regrated that I upgraded the firmware to 6.0. This has led the opportunity to me to learn how to pull the focus manually😝
@@madfinntech I am just sick and tired to wait Fuji to update/upgrade the AF...has been using Fuji for many years and still can't believe they let user down. I recalled the days when "Kaizen" was part of their strengheth. It's hard to leave the ecosystem when you own many Fuji lenses.
Fuji is making more money than anybody base on this year’s report so far. They’re doing some things right but we’re doing something wrong. We keep buying their products so they don’t have this urgency to really nail tracking. Business as usual and we keep buying.
Just tried shooting a landscape today and the stupid thing hunted and confirmed even though it was completely out of focus. Its all AF not just eye AF.
The good thing is, the tech is there, and one good firmware release will make the xh2s amazing! The bad thing is, that it seems a good firmware isn’t in their ability it seems.. I still love the camera, and I am still happy I switched to it, but if they don’t get their shit together, they will be in trouble lol!
If the camera works very good on firmware 1.03 and on the latest firmware 6.01 works bad , Do you still think the body is the problem and not the software?
How feasible is it for a person who takes photos/videos as a hobby to have multiple bodies for testing firmware, as opposed to the corporation who manufactures these bodies and can hold off a faulty firmware release.
@@laksh.mp4 I made a lot of video about this issue , I am convinced that they dont test anything, They check if the "code" programming works right and hit the Upload firmware button.
@@edvard2942 Are you able to downgrade your firmware without sending it in to Fuji? If so, I imagine that’s risky to do. Thanks for taking that risk, and please let us know how you’re doing it!
Sadly not possible... You have to send It to Blurryfilm and they downgrade themselves the camera to the 1.03 Anyway, message Fuji advicing you have a problem, an huge one, with AF
What I learned from this video is that your test methodology needs to be improved a lot. You have to test firmware in the same environment with and without back lit subject to make proper conclusion.
U said it in one of ur latest Vids: U hate Fuji to using other brands if u want a good AF performance. and its so sad, because thier "Enemys" are not sleeping. Sony a7V is near the town und will catch a lot of customer from fuji if they want a hybrid which is kinda capable of shooting som fast things (not that good like a a9iii) but still more usable than the xh2s. And yeah at the beginning of my xh2s journey i would have said that the AF of the H2s is kinda competitive with the canon r6 (i used both xh2s and r6) . but now... no chance.
Yes , I agree, I thought about apologizing for that but then I remembered, they said "it has caught up with sony/canon" (Wich is not true at all ,its still bad, steps, pulsing,etc, but usable) And I've changed my mind :D
IMHO I think on this one you have it wrong, 6.01 is for vlogging mode , running back and forth towards the camera is not what was fixed , maybe putting the camera in your hand and facing the lens and walking around with your arm out stretch work. My comment does not reflect the current situation with face and eye tracking which is unacceptable and hope to be fixed asap.
This is horrible! I use my xh2s almost every day for work and i can say that for the kind of stuff i do it always work fine, but knowing that the autofocus in getting worse time by time is getting me mad
Prepare for the squad demanding you must have at least 13 camera models with each firmware, repeat the test at least 83 times, write the result in an Excell sheet, create graphs. Otherwise your tests are invalid! Sorry!!😂
I thought about that but I started doing the tests when it started to get dark , had some lights but didnt move them , had to make the tests fast, update , do them fast, then update again. But I can assure you it was plenty of light , that's not why it works badly haha.
I hope I'll make a video one day (hopefully soon) with a title like this "Fujifilm autofocus is fixed! It works nice"
You can complain to fuji to give us the 1.03 AF back + the newest features , red bar , touch track , sounds , and etc. Only with noise they will hear us.
Complain to Blurryfilm, its the only way they notice.. noise and more noise. The intro is an embarrassment for Blurryfilm. 1.03 works - 6.00 trash.
Can we get a vid on the different af modes, is it only eye or face af that sucks?
@@iloaf2770 all AF sucks. AF-S seems to work well. But AF-C multi or zone, eye detect on or off, are not not working. Hunts, loses Focus...
@@iloaf2770 It sucks in every mode, Multi = sometimes it refuses to focus on the closest object, area works better but still stepping and hunting.
what I learned from this video: do not update any firmware until somebody tries it out
That's always been true, no matter how exciting the updates. Honestly, those that are most likely to update are those that need to make a dozen videos praising or damning the update.
For many years now, end users are new beta testers. And those moaning the most should really know better - not to excuse Fuji's approach to pre-release testing, but that is the reality.
And yes guilty as charged, I'm on the latest x-t5 FW. The integration of updates within the app certainly encourages earlier adoption. More beta testers!
Yep but this testing should be done by camera vendor or even beta testers not consumers.
@@zenstoodiIt's not 2010 anymore. Some testing will be done beforehand, but not extensively when there are thousands of users who will do it for free. You used to be able to sign up for beta testing programmes to access the latest updates, but that's not so common now. No need.
This isn't like Sonos updating it's app and bricking functionality with no one having a choice. This is quite literally people rushing out to voluntarily change a perfectly functioning FW version.
I'm glad such people exist for the same time I never volunteered to be a beta tester back in the day.
The boomers and retirees in the DP Review forums are already preparing their bird photos and other excuses, lmao. I really hope Fuji fixes this 🥲
hahah
Mod's standing by to lock the thread if someone suggests the issue is real and you should hold off updating the firmware.
Boomers and bird photos 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you win
They’ll be like, “Guy you just have to use this simple workaround and manual focus at all times even if your camera is videoing on a gimbal, you guys just have no skill” but then also talk about how there are no issues with eye autofocus, lol
I thought M4/3 is for retirees 😁
I think it's crucial for us to come together and actively write to Fujifilm, demanding a response and a solution. When contacting Fujifilm, please include a detailed description of the problem, mentioning how the autofocus point displayed on the screen does not match the actual focus point, and how the focus is unstable and unreliable. Emphasize that this issue makes the camera practically unusable for professional work, and request a confirmation that they are working on a fix.
Agree, its the only way they fix something
please make a petition.
Again, as a Fujifilm user, thanks for trying to change things for the better. Since they changed management i haven't been able to appreciate anything they did recently
I think Fuji is outsourcing their AF software department from Fiverr. This is ridiculous!
Shaquille O’Neal was their model for AF accuracy.
Fiverr AF specialists 💀
I want Fujifilm to succeed, but they have lost sight of what's important in the last couple of years. Investing R&D in completely pointless things like a GFX wildlife lens, 2 medium format camera releases back to back that make no sense, not updating the highly requested X lenses. If they genuinely want to make a positive impact, their top priorities need to be as follows -
1. Fix Autofocus
2. Update X-mount lens line-up with faster motors that can keep up with improved AF
3. Innovate with sensor technology to improve low light sensitivity and S-N-R
The lenses are not the issue. The camera's instructions for the lens is the problem.
3. Isn't much of an issue when Raf look clean in c1pro up to iso 12800....
Is anyone buying the 16-50? F 4.8? Maybe for birds its okey... A non sense lens. Only to fix 40mp. Xt50? Xs20? X100vi? Arent they an xt5? I only see the same camera. Blurryfilm, fix your Focus...
I disagree. New kit lens XF 16-50/2.8-4.8 is ideal for holidays, or as a ultra light zoom for landscapes. It's very small, very light, do not extend while zooming, has WR and LM. Good to very good overall IQ. And it will cost 400$ bundled as a kit with camera. I mean, what's the problem here?
They should also release true parafocal lenses if they think seriously about filmmakers. Fix this wired exposure change when zooming etc… on paper X-H2S is dream filmmaker camera but in practice maybe for only manual focus cinema lenses and without IBIS because it also sucks when panning.
Fujifilm now has the worst autofocus of all modern hybrid cameras.. Even Panasonic has good AF now. Shame..
U mean Blurryfilm
@@jcar4522 BLURRYFILM LOOOOOOOL SO TRUE
@@jcar4522blurryfilm 💀
The only good news is that we know mechanically and physically the camera is capable based on what we see on the earlier firmware. The problem is, can Fuji utilize the hardware like the first firmware, or even better?
Yes, It is capable of doing better.
I love Fujifilm but you can not defend this terrible AF and their response on the issue! It is sad! But I'm looking at Sony cameras now. 😏
Me too... A6700, fx30... Whatever, but no more Blurryfilm!
Me three. I’ve got an OM-1.2 running alongside my X-H2, I’m not retired and don’t ‘bird’, but I can’t get past the fact their AF is way better. Face detect does what it says, and you can lock onto the eye you select and it will then follow that one, regardless of how many others there are in the frame.
I also discovered just last night how that works even in a dark room, when my X-H2 couldn’t even focus on a single static point in AF-S.
Sorry Fuji. It’s been fun, but you might be going soon.
Same here, probably going nikon
Another great video highlighting the piss-poor state of Fuji AF on their newest cameras with X-Trans 5... Roman Fox recently put out a video of the X100VI and his "first impressions", to which I called him out on as an owner of an X100VI on FW 1.10 and having duplicated your results with that camera as well, and of course he came back with a defensive response and other Fuji fanboy's came to object to my statement and defended the camera, using the "but this is a different use case and so it's fine"... Fuck me, it's not fine, especially not for the money Fuji sells these things for! Keep up the fight exposing these idiots and shining a light on Fuji, they won't change their ways until they start feeling it financially...
He also post his long time review on xh2s on some blog saying that the af (i think he even mentiones 6.0) is awesome or something like that
@@edvard2942 Yeah I don't even bother with his "reviews" anymore, he doesn't know what he's talking about... I hear ANYONE claim Fuji AF is "on par with competition" I tune out right away, though I do wish that statement was actually true :(
Roman fox 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@YannickKhong Yeh I could never understand that guys 'rise to fame'..
Eddy, it's probably because he's videos are 100% focused on street photography. And as You know, street photography is easiest photo genre, super popular among Fujifilm users - basically because it requires almost zero skill or knowledge to take photo of any crap You find when hanging around the streets :)
I guess Fujifilm has improved the AI AF...
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... for classic Bigfoot footage.
Hahaha 99% accurate with Loch Ness monster
In a way this is good news. We can at least see first hand where the problems started and know that 1.03 seemed to give the best AF for video (at least). It looks like 6.00 was the icing on the cake where a new problem emerged as well as just amplifying all the previous f/w iterations.
Whilst I am fairly content to run two of my XH2S's on 5.03, I do not enjoy the thought that I could be experiencing BETTER AF on an earlier f/w.
you are the only person who actually know how to test autofocus, putting it to the hardwork is the only way to thoroughly know how good the autofocus of the camera is.
Yep , I dont just pop up in the frame and stay still like most of "testers"
Yep, completely agree. Did a video focus comparison of my own between the A7iv and Fuji X-S20 and watching the video side by side the A7iv is considerably better, TBF it is double the cost but the A6700 I had for awhile was even a bit better than the A7iv and that is a comparable camera to the X-S20.
Seriously Fuji needs to fire whoever is in charge of the autofocus software and get a whole new team, what they have is not working and as you show it's getting worse.
I think Fujifilm already did it. Fuji fired strong tech.team and hired cheapest engineers as they can only found.
And this team just broke AF with FW as we all can see now.
and imagine: the a4iv is not using their new AI-AF from the a7R5!
Bro even olympus is doing a better job. What clown show is happening with Fuji 💀
Yep still broken for me
Wow, Fujifan boys, look at this, even fot CineDailies. Nobody is gonna say to CineDailies he is noob and user error??? My gosh... Blurryfilm... Focus on fix your Focus...
@@jcar4522 haha yeah i’ll eventually share my experience with the AF and share some solutions. Right I have no time in-between commercials using the xh2s. I do use AF natively for jobs, just youtube. 80% of the time I use manual lenses.
But Fuji needs to address this sooner than later.
hahaha panasonic improved their af. and fuji thought hmmm i heard dfd was good. let's make our pdaf like panasonic dfd!
If by AI AF they meant they copy-pasted whatever Chat GPT spat out, then it makes perfect sense.
Edvard: "I think they're focusing on the wrong things"
pun intended
Am I the only one who wants to know how you downgraded the firmware (😅
You’re not the only one, but I think he got a different camera
I was wondering if he did go through all the updates on the same day? You can see the camera does not move when he is walking towards the camera and back with the balcony/window behind.
@@matango1979 updating the camera takes 10 minutes, you don't even need to move the tripod
@@matango1979 and considering the fact that all the updates are available on the website right now, the whole video could have been recorded in less than a day
@@MarkVictorsonWhere are they available, I only see the latest version available for download?
Hey guys just one question. What the actual fvck is going on with Fujifilm?!
Easy answer. Great cameras and features, horrible techs that cannot create algorithms for AF to save their lives.
Probably an antiquated software engineering culture
They installed AI autofocus tracking but instead of the same kind as the one found in Sony and Canon, they went with the budget retarded step brother.
I stand by this statement.
@@brettgoulder5208 Going out on a limb and saying they don't bother with any regression testing lol.
appreciate the video bro... planning to buy a FUJI XH2S for fuji color science .. but am really confused now that they ruining autofocus more and more .
This is mean man, so glad Casey sent me here.
You`re marvellous.
You`re just killing fuji, maybe some improvements will come of that.
we need mr gerald undone to investigate this
That would be awesome. But i dont think it will happen
@@edvard2942 we can only hoping.. nice find btw, like to share it to my colleague who use fuji system
Thank you. you've saved me a ton of money. I want to love Fujifilm but this is ridiculous. not buying their cameras until this is fixed
Considering ditching Fuji after 10 years, this firmware debacle is ridiculous, they happy to take our money then put out crap to ruin what was an amazing camera when it 1st arrived. Maybe lumix s5ll which from what I see is continual improvements in its firmware
Good video. Glad i use the Fuji with cine lenses anyways. Dont need the AF.
Thank you for the excellent work you've done ! Personally I'm just a hobbyist who use the video functions very little and the autofocus on my XH2 is suitable for my "photo only" use, but I'd really like Fuji to take these requests for improvement into account ! I wanted to repost your video on the fuji subreddit but my publication was censored :)
Thank you for making these videos. The core Fujifilm users will take anything they make as face value and will not accept criticism. Maybe Fujifilm executives aren't even aware of the issues the development team is making. That is what I hope, at least.
So I just watched a few videos of your channel and videos you mentioned. I think people say you might not be trustworthy as you only have a few videos and you do not mention all settings used so I wanted to research a bit more.
But now that you did this comparison, I am baffled honestly. This is not looking good for Fuji, thanks for showcasing this!
I also hope they fix this really soon...
I saw people claim the X-S20 has improved a lot though in the 6.0 firmware, could you test this?
Also, which AF mode did you use for this test, Multi or area? I can clearly see it got worse, but still I would like to know which mode this was?
Did you manage to downgrade the firmware or did you just get another one and how so?
I am not sure how you mean they "added AI", did the H2S not have subject detection on release (I seriously don't know, please explain)?
It was never mentioned that the AI was smart or had high intelligence. Maybe the AI they installed was dropped in the head as a baby? Or its computer mother was smoking crack while pregnant. I don’t judge.
Fujifilm should be given a trophy for helping the disabled/handicapped community. I am signing a petition to have fujifilm cameras as the preferred camera for special olympics.
haha, But its in the name"AI" Artificial Intelligence
@@edvard2942 the concept of intelligence is subjective. Fujifilm never disclosed the level of intelligence on their AI so no judging hahaha
They used AS instead of AI, Artificial Stupidity
For the “AI needs internet” part: its actually don’t. When you use chat got or genAI features in adobe, your software does not include any “AI” models, it just acts like a mailman sending your data to the server and receiving the result, thats why you need internet. Its not possible for camera to connect to the internet and autofocus in the real time because it will be very laggy, so the “AI” features need to be implement right on the camera.
For the file size part: “AI” is just the buzz word for the mass, for camera I’m pretty sure its just deep learning. For short, deep learning is just neural network with many layers, the configuration of the deep neural network is just parameters for each layer. Therefore the firmware carrying the deep neural network configuration can be very light, and yes they can update the “AI” by updating the deep learning model configuration as long as it does not break the hardware limit. Also to answer to the same file size part, I just guess maybe the firmware is a binary or hex file with limited maximum size, the actual firmware itself might be less than 110MB and the rest will be fill with 0 or 0xFF, just like when you burn a CD, it will have the same size of ~700MB no matter of your content. I’m no expert on this, just guessing.
For the camera to focus, the “AI” subject recognition is just for telling the camera where to focus. Its might be the focusing is broken by itself. You can test the single point af-c to figure out where does the problem came from. If the single point af-c works fine then its the “AI” fault.
I agree, Maybe I am wrong too, but on firmware 3.0 they said that they've added "AI subject recognition" deep learning, but I didnt see any difference between 1-2 and 3. Only the af was a little worse.
Its normal for a “AI” model update without any improvement or getting worse irl 😂 maybe they are under the time pressure and release trash products, they need more robust testing and validation process. But if its just the “AI” subject recognition part fault then its still ok because theoretically they can improve it, if its the autofocus mechanism is broken by itself then there is almost no way to improve, we then need new camera or maybe new mount.
Everything is AI now, even me
No kidding. This is why I sold all my Fuji gears. Fuji’s video capability sucks, not even a commercial level. Exposure stepping is a bonus. Their lenses all suck as well in terms of steady exposure.
no more exposure jumping in all zooms at this point. They are all updated.
That problem is already fixed in the zoom lenses
@@armandocruz7659 In all zoom lenses, the old ones too? Like 18-55 kit lens?
Only for native glass, sigma 17-70 still stepping exposure.
Hey hey,
Any chance have you had a chance to play with the new 7.0 Firmware that recently came out?
reading fujirumors it sounds like it only applied on some film simulation.. did you changed film sims between your tests?
My patience is wearing out with fuji. I bought the xh2s because i thought it was supposed to be their best/fastest auto focusing model, not just in photo but in video too. Ive been with them long enough that i didnt expect it to be as good as the latest sony cameras. But its ridiculous that the only reliable and somehwat consistent af mode is afs. Im back to my dslr days using focus recompose method. Lately its getting harder and harder justifying to myself why i stick with fuji. Yes i love the lenses, the colors and many other things, but im getting tired of thinking i got the shot becasue i got the green light confirmation, just to get home and see an unacceptable percentag3 of photots either backfocused or frontfocused. This has been an issue for a long time. Sadly, i think it may be time for me to let go of the xh2s. If i can only shoot in AFS, I misght as well just stick with my old xh1.
Problem is not many people will buy Fujifilm and companies are usually buying them for a lot cheaper than new
how did you actually downgrade to 1.03? id like to downgrade my XT-5
Thank's for doing this work for all of us!! I don't remember having had unsharp images. I am using a GFX since two years and I am afraid of getting jobs done.
I think, I used all rands and sensor sizes, but I became difficult, especially when it comes to autofocus, full magnification (manual lenses) and wrongly placed menues. Feels like the partner you love, but doesn't like you.. in old times, cameras were finished. Now we get unfinished Christmas presents. Looks like, they have agreements who is allowed to improve what..
I think my Minolta 8000i (analog camera) was better :-) :-) :-) . I will test it and give you my results. Cheers and thank you again!
There is new X-H2S Firmware update
Version: 7.00 06.27.2024
did you had the false green boxes on any previous FW? They truly went from being acceptable for slight video work to absolutely not usable even for talking head stuff. will look forward to the Stills video
I've taking a passing interest in this. The 6.01 as far as I've seen isn't the fix, it is for taking selfies. Fuji are saying July for the AF fix. Think I saw it on Fuji Rumors.
I dont think they said anything specific about af,just that a new firmware will e released in august not july
great video!
how did you do the downgrade?
He got another XH2S which wasn't updated from 1.0.3
Supposedly Fuji will release a firmware upgrade next month (July) that according to FujiRumors may finally address the AF regressions. Thanks again for making these tests, showing the issues and hopefully Fuji is paying attention.
If I was Fuji, I would send you direct a camera model with the latest Firmware update ready to go for testing and pick up back.
PS: I just saw the end of your video. I think to me the issue is, they are not having a proper software quality testing procedure to capture all these regressions and make sure it all still works its best.
Something to be fair: you are testing in video. It's possible the AF in stills photo is much much better. At least that's what I sort of saw when I tried the X-T50 at a local fuji event dealer recently.
In the first test videos he showed that the pictures AF also sucks
@@Jannevisuals I saw some and posted accordingly my own experience with the X-T50 at the Fuji event, where I validated one of the findings. Just wanted to make clear that this video with this firmware version is talking about video and may not necessarily reflect what this firmware does on stills.
@@Raist3db yes i know that the yt video is not about stills but he showed in one of his videos that the af sucks also in stills…
@@Jannevisuals So far my experience with my new purchased X-T50 is that AF doesn’t s*ck for stills. But woudl have to see what conditions we are talking about to be fair.
My X-S20 is a workhorse for my type of filmmaking. Thanks for testing these out for all of us.
How's the autofocus on the X-S20? I'm confused b/w that and a6700. A response would be of great help! :)
So I think that there didn't seem to be such problems with focusing on my camera before, but it was at the level of sensations. With each new firmware, I began to notice a deterioration in the stability of autofocus. As a result, it's 6.01 now - the autofocus in the video is just terrible!!!
thanks for the update, now asking how to downgrade back to 1.03
They really should just make all the software available to download from their site and allow users to downgrade. Let the user decide which works best for them.
time to sell my fuji
Hurry before tiktok catches up. I made profit selling off my fuji gear.
Doing the same, goodbye Blurryfilm. But if they dont fix AF im not able to sell It 😂
good luck prices are starting to full al ready on the second hand market
Z8 is already in the works.
If u bought fuji for AF, then thats your mistake anyways.
Thats why I stick with the new Lumix 😊
Yup. Probably my favorite cameras
Thank you edvard for doing this. Point the issue its the only way to fix it. So guys, message Fuji, make noise and more noise. Thank you edvard, shoutout to you
Actually the reason I switched to lumix S5 II. Way better AF!
Imagine Sony, Canon or Nikon having this kinda issue with their current flagship camera. Let's face it: Fujifilm cameras are great for stills of shooting the back of a vintage car or basketball hoops. Oh yea, and the colors are pretty. Once you hit the point where quality is a requirement, you better ditch those cameras immediately.
The best thing the folks @Fujifilm can do right now is bringing out a public statement and let us all know if they're actually working on this huge problem or not.
This update is another joke and and I do consider it as a serious insult to all their loyal users.
Thats why im done with Blurryfilm. Its an embarrassment, a shame. Gonna buy Sony. Not missing AF anymore
@@jcar4522 I tried Sony, but everything I shot with it looked like a Breaking Bad Mexico scene. Can colors be fixed in post - yeah. Do I want to deal with that for hundreds of photos? No.
@@hanns1401 Dont have that problem with sonys friend (talking about video). In fact, the luts i use with fuji seems to match better with sony footage (and they are supossed to be made for fuji). No yellow, green or red, they are okey
Fuji pushing me to change my gears to Sony or Canon. If I cannot find your video to fix and downgrade the firmware for a temporary solution, I will sell all the fuji gear. Thanks so much.
Looking forward to the stills video. I don’t shoot video myself but my X-H2 with firmware v4 exhibits some really strange behaviour.
Just last night I was taking a picture of my son. Well lit, wasn’t moving, 16-55 red badge (one of their best, apparently) at 50mm f4 (so was giving the AF a chance by not shooting wide open). He’s looking at me. The camera can’t detect either eye so frames his face. It’s OK, I still got the shot.
Then he turned round so the back of his head was facing me, and the camera immediately locked on to one of his ears as if it was an eye. WTF?! 😂
I’ve had the camera since release and always thought it was pretty decent at the start and felt it was getting worse with each update but then thought “nar can’t be they definitely must be making it better” and convinced myself it was me just noticing it being bad more often rather than the camera, but this video perfectly shows what I had thought all along. It’s rubbish now, and I’ve been hopeful and patient since owning an xt3 since 2019 but my patience is running out fast. How did you revert back to the first version?
I did similar videos about Fuji AF ~ 3 years ago. I loved Fuji for stills, but was shooting more video and it just didn’t work for my needs (eye AF). Rather than get frustrated, I sold a bunch of Fuji gear and bought into Sony. It’s been a bit of a learning curve, but I’m sooooo glad I switched. It seems like you may be at that similar turning point. Just some thoughts from a Randumb viewer.
Switching is an (expensive) option, but what would be even better is if Fuji could get their shit together. There's a lot to love about Fuji outside of the AF, and I'd like to see them succeed on merit, not just chase the next viral marketing fad.
Glad I sold my XH2s and XT5. I liked the colours and film sims but in the end I can get this results with post processing.
You know what’s weird.. X-H1 with the latest firmware, a camera from 2018, has a much better AF performance than X-H2S with the latest firmware. Try it.
i believe you , My xt3 was better than xh2s on 6.0
I just pulled out my XH1 the other day. I'd disagree. It's only slightly better than the xh1 for me.
@@Princeton_Jamesnow you guys have something to debate. Settings and firmware version. Make another video and show the world how bad Fuji AF. We need a fix for this mediocrity
BTW, now, for professional work im using my xt4 instead of xh2s, better AF
I switched to Sony and now I'm happy. It's not worth it this day-and-age to deal with companies that can't even acknowledge the issue. "Fuji colors" be damned.
You don’t have decent AF but you got the Instax Pal and the Film Simultion dial of the XT50 instead. Don’t complain!
Hahaha film simulation dial... Blurryfilm is out of Focus...
@@jcar4522You have literally nothing to say so stop spamming the comments.
@@mike_dunno 2024, you telling me what i can or what i cannot do? Hmmm... Dont like me commenting? Dont read me.
@@mike_dunnowhat he’s saying is what’s what’s the point of having the beautiful film simulations if it’s gonna look like blurry soup
Looking forward to the stills tests. I think majority of fuji users are actually in the system for stills, so that will be extremely helpful for a lot of folk. Thanks again for the info, really saved me from updating. I have xh2 though and I am really wondering if there's any difference between those h2 and h2s. Any chance you could get your hands on it?
it shouldn t be, The idea fhat xh2s has better af because of the stacked sensor is a myth. Af is the same
It's now clear that it's a bug in the latest update. In any case, Fujifilm makes good cameras. I assume in the next updates they will solve the problem, let's wait and see.
I have the xT3 and I feel like it does better than this. Thinking about upgrading for video and these videos over the past few weeks have made me want to change brands...
Anybody knows where We can report this issue? I made my own test... My XH2s works little better than your on v6.0 but its far away to result from v1.03.
You know what, I found myself using my Sirui Anamorphic lens more than ever after upgrading to firmware 6.0. I regrated that I upgraded the firmware to 6.0. This has led the opportunity to me to learn how to pull the focus manually😝
That's nice and all, but if I wanted a manual focus-only camera, I'd buy a Blackmagic camera. Fuji advertises face/eye detect autofocus.
@@madfinntech I am just sick and tired to wait Fuji to update/upgrade the AF...has been using Fuji for many years and still can't believe they let user down. I recalled the days when "Kaizen" was part of their strengheth. It's hard to leave the ecosystem when you own many Fuji lenses.
Well done
How do you downgrade your firmwear?
I wish you would show a snippet of the Sony a6700, like you did in previous videos so we see ehat good AF looks like under the same conditions
Fuji is making more money than anybody base on this year’s report so far. They’re doing some things right but we’re doing something wrong. We keep buying their products so they don’t have this urgency to really nail tracking. Business as usual and we keep buying.
the prerelease firmware had amazing autofocus
Just tried shooting a landscape today and the stupid thing hunted and confirmed even though it was completely out of focus. Its all AF not just eye AF.
What camera and lens?
@@Quattro5081 XS20 16-80f4
@@Quattro5081 XS20 16-80 f4
The good thing is, the tech is there, and one good firmware release will make the xh2s amazing! The bad thing is, that it seems a good firmware isn’t in their ability it seems.. I still love the camera, and I am still happy I switched to it, but if they don’t get their shit together, they will be in trouble lol!
Just want to make sure - did you already exclude the possibility that this might be a faulty unit? Have you tried more than one body?
I did the same test and no it's just that Fujifilm is wack.
If the camera works very good on firmware 1.03 and on the latest firmware 6.01 works bad , Do you still think the body is the problem and not the software?
How feasible is it for a person who takes photos/videos as a hobby to have multiple bodies for testing firmware, as opposed to the corporation who manufactures these bodies and can hold off a faulty firmware release.
@@laksh.mp4 I made a lot of video about this issue , I am convinced that they dont test anything, They check if the "code" programming works right and hit the Upload firmware button.
@@edvard2942 Are you able to downgrade your firmware without sending it in to Fuji? If so, I imagine that’s risky to do. Thanks for taking that risk, and please let us know how you’re doing it!
Someone please tag Fujifilm to this video. We need their explanation now.
I really wish the AF of the X-T5 was good enough for me to justify the purchase of the XF 150-600mm but damn.
How can I downgrade my firmware to 1.03
Sadly not possible... You have to send It to Blurryfilm and they downgrade themselves the camera to the 1.03 Anyway, message Fuji advicing you have a problem, an huge one, with AF
Hello brother, when face eye detection is on, you should select the AF-C multi-domain option in the video, this problem will be solved by 85%.
So how do you think my settings were?
However, using old firmware is not a proper solution (better than non). So if Fuji is not fixed soon, I will change to Canon.
I agree, We should not use a very old firmware.
What I learned from this video is that your test methodology needs to be improved a lot. You have to test firmware in the same environment with and without back lit subject to make proper conclusion.
Hopefully they fix with July firmware update
There was nothing about auto focus in this update?
U said it in one of ur latest Vids: U hate Fuji to using other brands if u want a good AF performance. and its so sad, because thier "Enemys" are not sleeping. Sony a7V is near the town und will catch a lot of customer from fuji if they want a hybrid which is kinda capable of shooting som fast things (not that good like a a9iii) but still more usable than the xh2s.
And yeah at the beginning of my xh2s journey i would have said that the AF of the H2s is kinda competitive with the canon r6 (i used both xh2s and r6) . but now... no chance.
It's understandable now why when the X-H2S was released, the talking heads said the AF was great
Yes , I agree, I thought about apologizing for that but then I remembered, they said "it has caught up with sony/canon" (Wich is not true at all ,its still bad, steps, pulsing,etc, but usable) And I've changed my mind :D
Great video. Maybe you have 1.03 firmware file?
IMHO I think on this one you have it wrong, 6.01 is for vlogging mode , running back and forth towards the camera is not what was fixed , maybe putting the camera in your hand and facing the lens and walking around with your arm out stretch work. My comment does not reflect the current situation with face and eye tracking which is unacceptable and hope to be fixed asap.
This is horrible! I use my xh2s almost every day for work and i can say that for the kind of stuff i do it always work fine, but knowing that the autofocus in getting worse time by time is getting me mad
Fujifilm spent all their budgets on hardware 😂
Did you check how FW 1.03 works with the Viltrox lenses?
They work exactly like in the video
Prepare for the squad demanding you must have at least 13 camera models with each firmware, repeat the test at least 83 times, write the result in an Excell sheet, create graphs. Otherwise your tests are invalid! Sorry!!😂
haha yea, I've tested it more intensely than it looks, and this was my conclusion , But you can't argue with 9:45.
Also, the intro shows a lot.
„They are focussing on the wrong thing“ - Indeed 😂
Another hit, appreciate the work. The music was unnecessary tho :/
But but but but, the fuji colour is best bro, iie desu ne?
my old canon M100 does way better than this
Lol... A whole channel dedicated to bad auto focus. Any plans for the future if the day ever comes that Fuji fixes this problem?
They improved bokeh 😂
Watch out, haters will point out that you had more light in v1 than v6. 😂
I really hope they fix this soon.
I thought about that but I started doing the tests when it started to get dark , had some lights but didnt move them , had to make the tests fast, update , do them fast, then update again. But I can assure you it was plenty of light , that's not why it works badly haha.
its like always with software, software is like bananas, ripening (or in some cases rotting) at the customers
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We need to engage a hacker to make a pirate version that work
I was thinking about that, Im sure a programmer could fix this haha