Why Epic Universe's Universal Monsters is ALREADY Going Wrong
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2023
- I got some... criticisms... of Universal's handing of the classic monsters and what they already appear to have planned for them in the upcoming Epic Universe theme park. As well as some complaints about theme parks and theme park fandom in general. Old man yells at clouds.
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The rumor of a Creature From The Black Lagoon type ride sounds the best part of this monster land to me anyway.
It just sounds like you want Universal to Copy Disney, where is the originality?
There are only so many styles of theme park rides and attractions you can do. Disney has been in theme parks for 65 years or so. They've had a lot of time to figure out what is actually possible, and virtually everything slots into a category they've already pioneered and/or perfected.
But my argument was less about Universal "copying" Disney as it was about Universal AT LEAST getting to where Disney already is. Mainly, pacing out a day with an engaging variety of diverse experiences. I would be happy for Universal to invent some completely new style of attractions that has never ever been done before... But if it is just another thrill ride to make me throw up, then it's just another thrill ride and doesn't fit the theme of the Universal Monsters.
@@MonsterKidCory eh universal has tons of original ride systems. Go to Disney if you want boring boat rides.
I disagree, what about: Monster Make Up Show, Born Stunt Show, Simpson Kang Spinner, Seeing Betty Boop, Marilyn Monroe, Scooby and mystery Incorporated, ET, Meeting Blue at jurassic World, Kong Encounter, Grinch at Grinchmas and so much more.
I feel like you didn’t actually soak in Island of Adventure. Like, Port of Entry, or the theming which was made by Disney Immagineeers.
Oh, what about Poseidon’s or Mythos.
You are so lock into seeing how you wanted to spend the day that you miss on the details that the parks presents.
I love Universal and Disney, Equally.
I go to them every week, WDW and USF. And, yeah the Mech is theme. But, Look at WDW’s 50th. The was a Merch Grab. Sorry man, I feel like your judge blindly here. The park isn’t out yet. And HHN proves they can do Horror that get you invested into the Story. Look at Winter’s Wake House. Ok, be free to share. But, I am on Excited by any additions to Orlando.
Well said!
The theming in literally all of Islandso of A is better than the theming in any WDW area other than Pandora. Maybe star wars, maybe.
lmao ok bud
It sounds like you want every ride to be a kiddy ride. Universal over the years have been targeting more for the family’s so they are diversifying, Epic Universes main target are family’s. And also you are already judging a land we mostly don’t even know about which is kinda hypocritical.😂
I love kiddie rides. Kiddie rides like the Haunted Mansion, Jungle Cruise, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Indiana Jones Adventure are great.
@@MonsterKidCory Some people don't though. Some people want coasters and spookiness.
@@tytytherussianspy2778 same I love the thrills not everyone is going to like kids rides
The theming in Diagon Alley and literally all of Islands (Toon Lagoon is what Toon Town thinks it's doing) is exquisite.
UO could use some variety but only time will tell what Epic U needs.
I want 100% agree with your point. My problem that I had when Universal for the longest time is how they've completely ignored the universal classic monsters for decades. It always boggled my mind growing up having to go to the original Orlando Park seeing there was no Universal monster themed attractions but only a restaurant and I guess The mummy returns but that's from movie franchise that is kind of obsolete at this point. Universal has been very neglectful with the universal monsters and has not given them a proper home in the parks. Now don't get me wrong I am glad that they're finally capitalizing on the monsters by giving them their own land but I get where you're going when you said that Universal are only using them as just another IP attraction that the general public will probably soon forget. But in my opinion only time can tell.
They also have the Horror Make Up Show which is still in operation today. It's for the most part remains the same as it did on opening. ET and this attraction are the only original attractions that remain. Only thing that has changed is certain IPs they have chosen to discuss and other information about special effects as technology progressed over the years. A lot of props from famous Universal and Horror films are in display in the lobby prior to the show. I wish they have something similar at EPIC Universe, but I don't think that's the case, but that's fine, as long as the Horror Make Up Show remains. It's my favorite show (past and present). They no longer have the Monsters Cafe (which is a bummer) and are replacing it with a Minions one, but that's probably because of the restaurant that they're opening at EPIC.
Wow dude you sound like a great time to be around just very optimistic!
As long as you agree with him, all is well
Universal fans the ones losing their minds because I don't agree with them :)
@@mowerdan8133 Nope☺
i would have to disagree! i think island of adventure is on par with disney sea!!!
IOA is the way better park, and it’s not even a competition really.
Swinging from Disney’s nuts like Tarzan.
It's fascinating how much Universal fans project. The smallest criticism and y'all can't handle it.
@@MonsterKidCory It was the beta cuck narration the first three minutes that did me in .
@@joezombie661 lol, yeah, you're such an alpha male whining about my opinion on kid's rides.
@@MonsterKidCory Speaking of alpha’s , what is your wife’s boyfriend’s opinions on the rides ?
@@joezombie661 lol keep trying.
I have visited Disney World, Sea World, and a Great America amusement park. Never been a fan. But I would pay and/or travel to your proposed attraction in a heartbeat { a heartbeat racing with fear and excitement}!
I really like your ideas for a classic, gothic Universal monsters theme park. I'd put that near the top of my list of places to visit, if such a thing existed. I prefer the slower type of attraction, where you can let yourself soak it all in and really enjoy it.
But it's art, and as we know, are it subjective. Some people only get excited by the fast and exciting rides, and there's no problem with that. This is why there should be competition, so each competitor can cater to the demographic they can appeal to the most.
By the way, I like your description of how Disney is more varied in its presentations. I hadn't thought of it that way before, but each time I've visited Disney Land (California) I was always impressed with how well run it is and how clean and smart it is. Now that I think about it, its variety is part of how smartly it's laid out. Last time I was there was about a dozen years ago but to me they were (are?) the standard on how you build and run a theme park. I've visited other really nice theme parks and each time I would think, "this is nice, I like this...but it's not quite Disney."
Yeah, the contrast didn't really occur to me until we went to Universal Florida during our trip to Walt Disney World. We actually got bored because it was only e-tickets and shopping. WDW was way better paced out for variety.
Absolutely brilliant! The suits lack vision of the nuances Walt had.
He created a place you could get lost in. Fantasies with emotional surprises.
You don’t have to like Star Wars to enjoy a Star Wars ride. It is a “space themed ride” same for Avatar. You don’t have to see the movie to know you are traveling to a “fantastical place with flying things you ride on” just go with it.
I respect that this creator is a fan of the classic monster universe and its original characterizations. There is nothing wrong with longing for the "good old days." However, this is a business, and Universal is not trying to win the award for Best Attraction Kept Closest to its Original Design." Personally, I love ol skool monsters, but it's 2023, nothing lasts forever. The fans of nostalgia are getting dragged into the future, and they don't like it. Maybe someone can build them a park where nothing ever changes.
"You just don't like change" is a tired retort. It's not about not liking change. It's about liking things that are good.
@@MonsterKidCory So if the new changes are good, then you're on board? BTW I don't support change for the sake of change. I do expect the changes to be as good or better.
@@LChatmanFL if Epic Universe ends up having these engaging dark rides based on the classic monsters we actually know from the movies, I will happily recant my video.
This same debate has raged for years in Disney fandom specifically. "You just hate change!" No, and I can list off all sorts of changes to Disney rides I like. I just don't like BAD changes. People can't handle criticism of things they like. Especially Universal fans, who are even more sensitive about it than Disney fans are.
@@MonsterKidCory I agree, no one likes bad changes. Make no mistake, I am certainly pulling for a more classic approach to the Monsters land. They should do something with the Invisible Man and mirrors... I have ideas.
This can't be true! I love Universal Monsters!
Awesome video!🤘
Also, 80th like!👍
The Curse of the Werewolf is the name of the Hammer horror werewolf movie haha. I'd like to officially sign up for an annual pass to your Universal Monster theme park!
Yeah, I can totally get behind the criticism that laser-focus theming on specific IPs is alienating. Like...I, personally, *despise* Minions and I couldn't roll my eyes harder at Universal's plans to do even more with them.
Blah blah blah. Universal is just now giving the Monsters some belated attention after the failure of "Dark Universe", so I'll wait until the specifics are shown before I start judging. And using Disney as some metric that everything has to conform to is inconsistent at best when you consider how much their parks have declined in terms of atmosphere.
Once upon a time parka appeared to be more specific to their niche. Disney parks always belonged more to leisure, gentle, and immersive theming for families to experience magic together. Universal was about experiencing the movies, about the industry, how it’s done and anyone can be “in the movies” It fits to be more about the thrill and rush of Hollywood. Reminding you how boring life is until you go into the sound stages for the shows and attractions.
It essence they still do this, but I see what you’re saying.
I think you should actually contact Universal, you have brilliant ideas that I actually want to see in real life.
I wish it worked that way!
@@MonsterKidCory It should.
None of his ideas were good, like what?
Me: making up ideas for rides that I would enjoy.
This other person: agrees that they would also enjoy those ideas.
@@Donyourmom : "NO UR RONG!!!"
Dude... How absolutely right you are about how universal has mishandled these properties. I had high hopes upon hearing the news of a universal monsters land but the more I thought about it the more I dreaded how they will ruin it and it not being what I want it to be. Your ideas are brilliant they should give you a call. The only thing I disagree about was the Munsters, ride or die for Munsters.
I've put in more effort to watch and understand The Munsters lately. I'm still more of an Addams guy, but Munsters is okay 😄
@@MonsterKidCory what I appreciate most about the Munsters is it is a non pretentious blue collar normal family that just doesn't understand that they infact are the strange ones. It has great family values that I appreciate so much more upon becoming a parent. It like made broadly European monsters and ideas and put them in middle america. I never identified with the upscale victorian style Adams family. But I appreciate all things spooky regardless. Except Rob Zombie's Munsters. That can kick rocks.
What a negative video,byou can't possibly have an opinion on a park that's not even finished being built yet, they say that Epic Universe will give Tokyo Disney a run for their money....I hope it proves right...I turned this video off...
Great video!!
Thank you!
Nailed it!
Man they just dropped the monster’s unchained details and I think you spoke too soon, this new land looks spectacular
See my latest video... The drop proved me completely right about everything I said in this video.
@@MonsterKidCory oh I’ll check it out now.
Aged like milk
LoL, I saw the video they put out today... I am STILL completely right.
i luv how you dont mention how EVERY SINGLE theme park is a themed shopping center. just sounds like you hating on universal.
and how you ignored how universal islands of adventure has best thrill rides( hulk and velocicoaster) and best water ride ( popeyes) best dark ride ( Spiderman)
Every single theme park has shopping, yes. But Universal was unique in Harry Potter being a themed shopping experience.
For example, My favourite land in any theme park in the world is Mysterious Island at Tokyo DisneySea. It has my two favourite attractions anywhere in the world: 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea and Journey to the Center of the Earth. It also has one counter service and one cafeteria. And it has ONE shop, in ONE building that occupies a remarkably small footprint. The rest of the land is devoted entirely to rides and theming. In the massive lagoon there is a full scale model of the Nautilus, just cuz.
That is a far different experience from Wizarding World, which is literally one ride at the end of a mall with dozens of stores.
And yes, I ignored all those rides because I had zero interest whatsoever in those rides. That was part of my point.
Epcot, these days at least, is a park that is entirely a themed mall with IP rides shoved in.
@@MonsterKidCory wizarding world I. Islands of adventure has 3 rides! And how can you forget about Hagrids Motorbike it’s the best ride ever!
@@MonsterKidCorywhat about Epcot? Kind of weird you didn’t mention how mid that park was because it’s filled with gift shops and mid attractions (except Test Track)
@@Donyourmom : "Why didn't you mention this one shitty park in your example of a well-done theme park?!"
As if Disney isn't becoming more & more IP based? They turned Epcot into a major cluster with thrill rides rapidly replacing their original World's Fair-style dark rides and IP overlays on rides in the countries. Disney's Hollywood is a complete disaster. You seem to be riding more on legacy Disney. It's not the same creature anymore.....and getting worse.
Whataboutism. This wasn't a video about Disney. And even then I still heavily criticised Disney in it.
@@MonsterKidCory But you compared Disney quite often to Universal, giving the mouse plenty kudos.
@@mowerdan8133 because Disney has already done the best theme park attractions in the best theme parks in the world. Unfortunately they aren't committed to maintaining that anymore.
Keep in mind their target audience is limited attention-span kids with their parents who know something vague about UM, but if they watch horror at all, will be the stupid gore and occult fests that most of them are these days. I am old; I doubt they will do the UM justice. The newer gens don't understand the appeal of the classics any more, generally.
Yap yap
Wow. I am offended, Joe Rohde and many who built attractions put there heart and soul into these experiences.
Also, you didn’t even talk about the amazing adventures of Spider-Man, one of the best dark based rides of the modern age. I am in a Comic.
Ok. I’ll be taking more picture and being shocked at the level of details at Islands of adventure, Disney’s Animal Kingdom, Disney’s Magic Kingdom, Universal Studios, Florida, and Disney, Hollywood studios and Epcot. See you in the parks!
Fun fact: Joe Rhode yelled at me on Instagram! He posted something about Pandora, so I joked about when we can hope to see Mysterious Island imported (the port in Tokyo DisneySea based on 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea), since it also features the theme of exploration and discovery of fantasy creatures. He then ripped into me that the choice of Avatar wasn't just about it being a movie, but because of its environmental themes. I retorted that Avatar is weirdly anti-nature: an entirely CGI film that conceives of nature as a giant fibre-optic computer network with integrated USB sticks. It's nature conceived by people who sit on computers all day. Good debate XD
And no, I didn't talk about Spiderman because I give ZERO shits whatsoever about Spiderman.
But don't get wrong. I think most of WDW is beautiful. Even Pandora is done WELL. I just don't give a shit about Avatar. The only parts of WDW I thought were a real waste of time were Hollywood Studios and Future World at EPCOT. Everything else was wonderful.
Amen! The last time I was in Orlando was 2013. I went to Disney World at Halloween time so I could attend Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party. I had never been to a Disney event. I loved it. My friends and I were staying on property for a few days, so one night, we went to Universals City Walk. This is at Halloween mind you. One friend and I are huge Universal Classic Monsters fans and was looking for merch at the Studio Store. Not one item of classic monsters merch. It was all Harry Potter, Dr. Seuss, Betty Boop and The Minions. I was outraged. The Jaws ride, gone. Kongfrontation, burnt down. The Alfred Hitchcock experience, not only gone but unknown to the staff. Replaced with IPs from other studios, thrill rides painted green and named for licensed superheroes, The Simpsons, another licensed IP from another studio.... the only remnants of actual Universal properties were the names of the parking levels in the garages. I would like to see Potter Land, but I'm not going to pay the admission to see it. I don't care about the Harry Potter franchise. I have no plans to return to the Universal theme parks.
Nobody wants to sit in a thrill ride line all day. I'm sure Universal Monsters will get royally screwed over for the CGI garbage kids are being spoonfed.
Same thing as no one want's to sit in a line for a little kids ride all day.