A350NEO - Airbus Next Widebody?
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- Опубликовано: 6 май 2024
- The Airbus A350 launched in the early to mid-2010s. However, it would only be a handful of years later when the first mention of an A350neo would arrive. The proposed aircraft would enhance customers' efficiency by following next-generation engines produced by manufacturers worldwide. But, since 2020, talk of such a variant has dwindled. Why is this, what's the status and what led to the A350neo being brought up, to begin with?
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Right now, I feel like it's mostly all hands on deck to streamline the manufacturing, but once that's done, I absolutely see a market for the A350neo.
An A350neo with a new Rolls-Royce engine derived from the _UltraFan_ demonstrator engine or an uprated GENx engine is definitely being considered. Especially the _UltraFan_ , which may cut fuel consumption by as much as 10% compared to the current Trent XWB engine.
10% may not be worth the many billions it will take. RR has also slowed the development of the UltraFan.
GEnx is old tech, it can`t compete with XWB, but GE`s GE9X could be a way to go if it were of interest to AB. We`ll have to see how 9X performs when it`s finally introduced, it promises much.
@@edwardwilcox6606 it’s hardly the old tech
@@johniii8147Why would say that when it is? The B787 is crying out for a more efficient engine, both GEnx & T-1000 are early 2000`s, XWB is later with much better achitecture for better efficiency. Sadly XWB would be too heavy for B787 as it stands but perhaps GE can offer a scaled-down version of GE9X. If I remember correctly both GEnx & T1000 have been pip`ed to the max.
@@edwardwilcox6606GE9x is exclusive to 777x only. RR Ultrafan is to big for an A350.
Engine and airframe manufacturers will always talk with each other. Firstly the issue is what engine capability is needed in the future to set design requirements for both.
The A350 should get a NEO in the next decade or so. Airlines are always looking for at least 20% improvement in economics. Next gen engines will take time to develop, if the targetted improvement is so large. Both the CFM LEAP/PW GTF and the RR Trent 7000 gave a little over 10% better fuel burn compared to the old engines. So, achieving greater efficiencies will need a lot of work. The A350 airframe itself may not give more than 5% improvement, but as Airbus constantly improves it, airlines won't notice the better economics so clearly. I guess the timing of the NEO will depend on oil prices. If the cost of fuel rises substantially, it would make a new engine more urgent.
GTF will be ~ 5% at most.
No, not at this time. Example: the "re-engined" 777X hasn't really been flying off the shelves lately. Most 777W's are still fairly young and airlines are in no rush to replace them. More so with the A350 then.
Boeing never expected the 777X to be selling right now if you go back to press releases when it was launched. They expected to start selling them around 2027-->2035 time frame
Except the Prius was a clean sheet investment that heralded a new era in hybrid engines which is now a substantial part of the car market. They started from scratch and completely revolutionised the way an engine functions. And yet there are still no hybrid jets. You'd think switching into electric during cruise or coming in to land would be the perfect phase to have a hybrid switch over to pure electric.
Congratulations for bringing us the A350 NEO news for 2019. If there's more than just a pretence that your video has confirmed anything since then, then I must have missed it. However, if you go onto RR 'Press Releases', you will read the announcement that technology developed for UltraFan can be transferred to existing engines. So there's a hint about the immediate future right there, and yet you ignored it🤦♂........
Maybe this is why United Airlines is repeatedly delaying its A350 order as it is hoping for an improved version of the aircraft than the variant it has on order.
Maybe in the future. The current A350 is still relatively new and will do until at least the 2030s but it’s never two early to start planning its successor.
The A380 Neo is a must
why?
1. takeoff and landing time slots are limited.
2. air corridors in main hubs and airports around the world will be fully deployed.
3. world population is getting bigger by the day.
4. satstinability is a factor, e.g. less flights yet more passengers in each cycle is needed.
therefore not only that the A380 neo is a must but may a triple Decker A480 neo
and in the far future an A580 Neo quad decker will be needed
It`s all about engine tech. Even an engine pip on XWB could be prohibitive if it`s even possible or worthwhile. For RR it`s all about UltrFan but again if AB are not up for paying for the development costs involved it may be hard to justify until it`s really needed which could be some years off. I think a stretch is a good possibility but again dependent on UltraFan, unless of course GE with their GE9X could offer an alternative. I think this less likely but I suggest the adage `never say never` could apply.
The best plane even better? 😅
Airbus aircraft bring together the best of European engineering.
lmao the A350 is not the best plane 💀
@@FrequencyORDnah bro it defo is
777x is much better😂😂
What dictates a Neo variant is a new engine. That after all is what Neo stands for - new engine option. Those new engines seem to be a long way off. Rolls Royce is now talking 2030s for its Ultrafan. There are alternative engines - plenty of aircraft have been offered an alternative engine option in the course of production - but the Neo concept is about offering engines that are a generational advance over the present engines. The GenX from GE is the same generation as the present A350 power plant, the RR Tent XWB.
Airbus need to concentrate on their freighters before they start thinking about NEOs
Your videos are usually good. This one was pure speculation and told me nothing I couldn't work out for myself. A waste of my time. Please don't make videos like this.
UltraFan is the only next generation large aero engine. There isnt anything in development remotely like it.
I hoe RR succeeds.
Isn't it a bit too early for a "neo" ? Some airlines haven't even got their first generation A350.
Aren't they NEO already by factory?
The onlh thing they can do is reengine or newer production meterials
I believe that there is room for a Re-Engined A350 series in the ever growing aviation industry, which also includes an even more streched version of the A350 like the A350-2000 or something. All with even longer ranges... NOTE-These are just my personal opinions!
Has Rolls Royce increased the performance of the Trent XWB over the years? If so why bother? Or is the improvement so low?
The demonstration UF is showing double digit fuel improvement over the XWB even. RR will not sit on this...they are so desperate to reduce carbon footprint they are already building an UF with ideas of hanging it on the A350F programme.
I think fuel costs and emission requirements will dictate when the neo will happen.
Not only that but I believe the crucial advancements in turbofan technology will also dictate that. I’m sure that the Ultrafan (and perhaps whatever GE comes up with) will improved upon the Geared Turbofan architecture not only by making even more efficient but also more reliable.
777-9ER 787-9ER is what boeing needs, not the 737MAX 23
It would be a 787-10ER because the 787-9 can already fly up to 18 hours
@@GarlandTexasSpotter2024 yea, but boeing needs something to compete with a350-900ULR. it technically is the 777-8 but nobody really wants that. tho a 787-10ER would be nice with about 13600km of range
Ultra long haul is a very small segment. Qantas, Singapore and er... that's about it.
As marked leader Airbus should invest in the future fleet
The aircraft is fantastic. However, it does have significant limitations. Takeoff performance can be very limiting. As well as cruise Altitude performance. So any performance increase with bigger engines would be welcomed. Additionally, Takeoff weight needs to be increased.
What dk you want a space ship its to get you from A to B .
I think it depends on the future EU flying regulations. If the EU limits the amount of annual flights in and around Europe, it would be more ideal for carriers to fly less but with bigger airplanes to carry more passengers. In that scenario a 777x or a comparable Airbus a350 neo or a bigger a350 variant is needed.
Not before the 2030s
Hello, is it possible you could do a video on Airbus and Boeing production outputs for 2023 split between wide-bodies and narrow-bodies along with prominent customers in receipt of these aircraft, concluding with a brief forecast of future deliveries, thanks.
With all the engine production, parts, and performance issues going on, every NEO brings a push to squeeze ever more efficiency (fuel burn) and quest for more power to fly larger aircraft filled with 28" pitch seats. Some airlines are salivating at reaping massive profits from stuffing passengers into large aircraft. We get what we deserve.
Will an A350neo happen? Yes. When? Likely will be announced in the mid 2030s for entry into service in the early 2040s.
Boeing are more likely to re-engine the 787 much earlier than that , so AB will definitely be forced to do the same . Airbus have no reason to rush to re-engine the a350 because its payload range performance is exceptional but the only way Boeing could make the 787-10 much more competitive payload range wise is by slapping on a more efficient engines and giving it a new wing. I think Boeing will launch the 787X towards the end of this decade
You have read previous posts I have written giving you knowledge from a person with inside info. Since you were recently saying RR had abandoned the UltraFan, I can tell you specifically that they have another 4 various sized UF in different states of build. RR will no longer sit on their hands. They have already got a healthy return on investment for the Trent XWB and are aiming to offer Airbus an UF engine to test on the A350F programme. The engine is already showing double digit improvement in fuel over XWB engines and both Airbus and RR are desperate to be seen reducing carbon footprints. The other 3 engines under build are sized for the A220, A320 & A321 respectively. There are so many years of backlog orders that getting just 1000 engine sales on the A321 would be a success.
Thanks For Great INFO
8 minutes of talking just to announce that maybe, maybe A350 will have new jet engine 🤔
If only A380 had a NEO, it would still be in production with airlines still looking for it
Well no. It needs a HUGE wing extension as well at minimum
Clever move, bye-bye boeing...
You sure know how to rip the arse out of the same subject and regurgitate the same info as nausiem
Came to the comment section just to like comments like yours .
Yes becoming famous for that daily relasses trying to make money. There is only so much to talk about.
a350 would happen IF and only IF there is a 787 max
All electric. Airbus 350 .
The ultimate goal
Doubtful. No real advantages here, the aircraft is just too new and they’ve only delivered a little over 500. Maybe after they deliver 1000 of them. The oldest a350s are something like 6 years old at the very earliest and there weren’t many of them delivered before Covid delayed everything. Airbus would have had a better play in building an a350-800 instead of the a330NEO because the a330NEO just can’t compete on cost and weight against the 787. It’s too heavy and too expensive. The -800 a350 would’ve been a much better play and they got rid of the type for the a330 that just sells to Delta on the cheap. Many a330 operators today are just switching to the 787, now a 10 year old airframe, but it is legitimately cheaper.
Airbus has been tweaking the A350 from conception up till now, and all their modifications have been based on successes being enjoyed by Boeing widebody aircraft.
Changes that have been made including the increased use of composite materials, the winglets, interior dimensions, optional dimmable windows, and now consideration for new engines. For such a relatively young aircraft, that's a lot of modifications.
Airbus would be making a grave mistake if they don't design a clean sheet widebody aircraft, because, by the time they finish delivering their current backlog of aircraft, new technology would render them obsolete, so even though they may remain profitable as they have with the A330neo, they will become less relevant in the widebody sector.
Timi....now you REALLY are talking from where the sun doesn't shine. Airbus need to do a new cleansheet widebody?? Don't give up the day job mate!
@@nathd1748 You tend to be trigger happy with your response without understanding the comments.
What I said was that their next widebody will need to be a clean sheet design, and it does, because Boeing's next large widebody after the 777-X would be a clean sheet, and Airbus wouldn't be competitive with a neo treatment. If they didn't learn that lesson with the A330neo they never will.
@sainnt Timi...Airbus will NEO the A350 before Boeing neo their 787. So, on that logic, Airbus will also do a clean sheet for their next offering. And that will only come when propulsion systems are vastly improved beyond the 11-12% that the Ultrafan has over the XWB.
@@nathd1748 I respectfully disagree. Boeing doesn't need to NEO the 787. It's the current state of the art, so in all likelihood it will soldier on until Boeing's new design philosophy comes into play, which is thinner, wider wingspans and newer propulsion systems. Boeing tends to take bigger risks, and it usually benefits aviation.
The biggest risk Airbus has ever taken is with the A380. They've been playing it safe ever since and they're succeeding, so it's not going to stop anytime soon.
Electric commercial passenger planes are too far from reality for this single reason - energy density.
Won't be viable ( if ever) for anything than very small planes for the foreseeable future.
Your video is FLAWED!! Seriously, your channel lacks intelligence sometimes. An A350 neo will undoubtedly be required because this aircraft will be around well into the 2050's. RR is in prime position with its Ultrafan not only because its R&D costs have been absorbed by RR, but also because Airbus have been financially invested in the Ultrafans development as well.
Oh come on DJA!!! You make the A350 sound like it’s going to be retired soon from Airline Service (“it’s not getting any younger”), Get Real 🫣😡 The A300-600 is STILL going strong and DHL are moving their HK fleet to Europe with them being the first registered on the UK register.
Airbus makes aircraft that last and are dependable even after PAX service as freighters.
I’ve got the feeling that there’s a Coffee Shortage in Oz, you obviously need to wake up, get your hands on some on have a good sniff. 😂😂😂
The update may come in time but major changes like New Engines are a medium/long term solution. The 77X is still a far off from being any threat, it may have orders but it’s NOT certified and therefore NOT in even initial service with ANY service with a Customer. It’s still a possibility that 77X Customers will look for alternatives or gap fillers.
Did he even say so? And is it even something to be sad about? The planes are physically not getting younger. Airlines are ever more looking into newer technologies and procuring more fuel efficient aircraft. An A350NEO is needed for this role.
He definitely does not like Airbus possibly can't accept that they make a superior product. Boeing have lost it.
@@r12004rewy you got to be kidding me...
@@StefanWithTrains3222
Nope
bye bye Boeing
Boeing is the best.777X and 787 dreamliner in long haul.
Bye bye Airbus.