The Airbus A330neo vs A330 - What’s The Difference?
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2024
- The A330 has been Airbus' best-selling widebody, racking up more than 1,700 orders from airlines globally. With the second-generation A330neos now in service, today’s video will take a look at how it compares to the original A330s and why it has garnered far fewer orders than competing widebodies.
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330-9 has identical range to 330-200 which is why it makes sense to renew the 332s with 339s while getting a bump in pax count
Yeah it's not so mystery
Yeah, like our Air Algérie did, ordered 5 a330-900s added to 8 a330-200s so it'll carry 300 pax rather than 250
As a frequent flyer on Air Mauritius, I simply love the A330 NEO! It is amazing.
I see the A330 Neo every single day working for Delta. It's such a beautiful aircraft
I like A330 too. Been on 300 but wait for 900 someday
4:00 the answer is simple. the -900 has nearly identical range as the -200. more passengers for the same range? 100% yes.
As for the 15,094km range for the -800 there is a better choice, the A350-900. You get identical range but 315 seats instead of 210 for -200. That's 100 passengers more for the same range which, I think, makes the decision making process easy.
Excellent topic thank you
Apparently, the A330-800 got bested by its sibling aircraft 😅
You forgot one little thing: the 100 extra seats on the A359 come at a cost: more fuel burn, higher weight. Not all routes support 300+ seats.
@@widget787 Depending on the mission, an A330-800 burns approx. 7-10% less fuel but the A350 offers a 60% higher seating capacity plus a bigger cargo hold. The additional fuel burn is so small that it doesn't take very much to gain an advantage over the -800. Or in other words, you don't need to fill an A350 with 300+ pax in order to gain an advantage over the -800. So an A350 has far superior CASM.
What does that mean? If one A350 flight is full and the other is below the capacity of the -800, you will still make more money with the A350 rather than flying an A330-800. Remember that you have 60% more capacity to offset just a 10% higher fuel burn. Now, it also becomes clear why flying has become cheaper. Because with those new planes, money-making has become easier. The A330-800 is a very capable aircraft and has its niche in long and thin routes. But it suffers the same fate as the 777-200LR did. With a bigger brother that offer a better CASM, airlines will only buy the smaller jet if they really need the capabilites or if it's getting offered at a discount.
I hope the A330neo ends up being successful. I really like it for some reason.
It might just have been released too early given most airlines still have pretty new A330-2/300s or 787 which don’t need replacing yet.
It have 300 outstanding order and 79 delivered.. I would probobly called that a success already for an aircraft that really mostly got reengined.
yea yea.. sure there are new interior and front window, wingtips and a few other modifications. But most of them have been bleed over from either A320neo or A350.
Well sure, they did lose order the last couple of years, but pretty much everyone did. Even B787 lossed a few. And well the 777x is not doing brilliantly.
Look at the current generation of reenginered aircraft, 777x, 737max, A320 and 330... Could probobly put E- jet there to.
A320 is a incredibly success.. but its really not that strange. Having a huge span in both range and seating it takes up the slack with everything from 737 to 757 as well as the replacement of old A320 and to a degree even MD80.
While the max have a order of magnitude more orders than A330neo, i bet the A330neo is more profitable. Boeing have lossed a ton of money on the max and they really needed to crank down the prices to get the order rolling
and on top of that. Boeing got nothing in the middle of the market. 737max-10 have to short of a range, and 737max-8 have to low of a capacity. A A321XLR can do pretty much all continental routes in both Euroasia and Americas and most transatlantic. While the A330-900 is really not that much larger. Going from 206 capacity to 287 isn´t that large of a leap. Granted, the A330 have much more first class.
@@matsv201 the max 10 is a new aircraft , the a321 started out with a similar range before its MTOW was increased to carry more fuel for the a321LR/XLR .
Boeing likely have a longer range version on the max 10 after the base model is certified first. Something like a MAX10ER
@@mmm0404 I'm not that sure of that. 737 and A320.is set up very differently. Lifting MTOW of 737 will be much harder.
@@matsv201 lifting MTOW is harder for any airframe, the MAX 8 currently has a higher MTOW than the 320NEO by the way ...
There is no senario where Boeing doesnt extend the range of the MAX 10 more especially with the NMA out of the picture for now . I would be suprised if they didnt extend the range of the max 10 to compete with the 321LR/XLR
@@mmm0404 The thing is that Boeing have a fairly flat MTOW for the range. There is only 8 ton diffrance between the 7 and 10. While A320 series had 25 ton diffrance from A318 to A321 already in the CEO series. This was lifted only slightly to the A321 neo LR. And the lift to XLR is only 4 additional tons.
The total lift from A321 to A321 XLR is only 7.5 tons. And A321 was made originally as a heavier airframe.
IF we compare the Max10 to the 737-400 classic That is already a lift of 22 tons.
They keep stretching and making it heavier and heavier. Something will eventually give.
There are issue with making the aircraft bigger and bigger. While the wing and possibly the fuselage should be able to handle it. Other components are more problematic.
Max capacity of A330-900 is 480 occupants (not 440 as said in the video). Cebu is operating a configuration with 459 seats.
Having flown on CORSAIR A330-300 and A330-900, the difference is really remarkable with the A330neo which has a much better comfort, a more modern and quieter cabin (even more than the 787). This plane is really beautiful and I hope more companies will order it!
I've flown on A330-202/203, A330-243 A330-323, and A330-343/342. Hands down, my favorite A330 variant is the -343 and -342 series, the shape of the engines on the -300, the quieter engines, the iconic RR howl, the melodic RR trent 700 sound on takeoff, and on top of that, it was the best selling A330 variant.
I've been on A330 300 really liked it. Recently flew on B787-9 also great. Still awaiting A330 NEO and A350. I rate A330 over B787-9
Favorite A330 would of course be the Beluga XL
Flew on a Delta 330-300 from Atlanta to Amsterdam in Delta Comfort + back in November 2022, it is a great aircraft, very comfortable.
Let's start a drinking game! Take one shot every time he says "A330”!
I flew BOS-AMS-BOS with Delta, back in Sept. I had a A330-900 outbound and a -300 returning. Sitting in economy, both airplanes were fine and comfortable. Only real difference I noted was the different styles of winglets; swept back vs more blocky, respectively. Though I have really enjoyed the 787 and A350, the lower cabin altitude really makes you feel better both during and after a long flight.
The thing is that the leasing price diff between A330 neo and A350 is not that different making it too expensive . Airlines choosing between 787 and A330 neo may go for the 787 for its range, performance at high altitude airports and similar price .
and take in to account the wait list for 787 vs a330 with the 787 continually having problems with production
When I fly long distance, mostly eco class, the A330 is my favourite aircraft.
The reason is, I prefer the window seats and there the A330 have just two seats. Much less stressful for going toilet and much more comfortable than with two unknown people as neighbours.
7:30 I love it that while the narrator talks, the frame pops up as Cebu Pacific lol.
You can look at it from another angle: the A330neo was a no-brainer to create. The A330 airframe wasn't old or outdated, but it had been leapfrogged by the 787. Airbus' real answer to that plane (and the 777) was the A350 XWB, but that was a bit too big to compete with the smaller versions of the 787. Now, the A330 airframe still slotted nicely between the A321neo and the smallest A350, it had no reason to be replaced, and it could still steal some sales from Boeing if it was updated to be competitive. A neo program would cost a fraction of a new plane, and still rack some orders from airlines faithful to Airbus, unwilling to wait for the long production times of the Dreamliner, or hoping for a lower cost aircraft. Airbus knew they wouldn't steal too many airlines from Boeing, but it was not worth it to disrupt the rest of their very well set-up fleet (that was indeed stealing orders from Boeing left and right). The A330neo was a more than adequate stopgap, and even if they don't sell as much as their rivals, they're maintaining Airbus' market share.
Probably also worth mentioning the A321 LR & XLR, which have competitive range, cheaper costs & possibilities of greater flexibility.
While being half the size. Very different segment
@@travelguy78 Boeing's rumoured "NMA" is supposed to replace their ageing 757s. The A321XLR has the closest range and capacity to the 757 than the A330NEO. A321XLRs are also cheaper, and are a really good choice for airlines if they want to replace the old 757s.
@@dat_randomguy_ The video is about the A330 and the A321 is far far smaller than the A330. The A330 have double the thrust of A320 and the MTOW are more than double. Its two widely different planes. Emirates uses the A380 for a sub 1hr route, but that doesnt compare it to the ATR-72 does it?
EDIT: I like the A321. Ive ridden it for 10+ times and its a solid workhorse, but it is an narrowbody plane. It fills one end of the market that 757 had, but the 757 is a far more capable plane when it comes to range/capacity, etc
When comparing the 'apparent "success", one has to look at the market situation.
When the -200 and -300 came out in the 90s, the aviation world was still full of gas guzzling 3 and 4 engine jets and switching to an A330, ditching half or a third of the engines made a huge difference. So airlines went for it.
Now, the market is already pretty saturated with fairly efficient twin engine jets for this capacity and range bracket. The gains of switching from them to the A330neo don't outweigh the cost nearly as quickly. The uncertain global political situation, a certain virus with its impact on aviation in 2020 that companies are still recovering from - all of that leads to lower sales numbers.
I was recently on one of the A330-900s and I think it is a nice aircraft. Over the years to come, it will sell a nice number of planes, I am sure.
love how cebu pacific was shown when he said densely packed aircraft, their a330-900s are so packed it can carry 459 passengers max! (and the maximum capacity for this plane is 440)
The A330-900neo is my favourite, due to its sleek design
I flew on the 330 NEO with TAP and it was a joy being on the window seat. Didn’t feel cramped and it was easy going to the bathroom
it would be nice if the comparison of stats are done on the same slide
If I flying anywhere I feel more secure on Airbus vs Boeing. I am more confident of the Airbus build quality.
The A330-200/300 are still a relatively young aircraft in Airline fleets on established routes and there's no financial incentive to upgrade, if I were a major I wouldn't either.
A332 was also the go to choice for all chinese carriers in pacfic routes, such as PEK-SYD, CAN-CHC
A330neo is about to get an incredible spurt very soon with many ceo coming into retirement and issues with the 787 delays and 350 paint issues means 330neo is going to a very high demand plane soon
Nice. I'm thinking about buying one
Thank you for the video. I miss a comparison on the prices between 787 and 330 neo. Perhaps the price is a remarkable difference toghether with the single engine option RR Trent
I'm pilot, flying both.
The fuel consumption of A339 is much lower compared with A333. In theory, both models have the some thrust, however, specially during climbs, A330neo gives a smaller rate of climb. But, as with any brand new airplane, there are a few items that can be improved, mostly related with the bleed systems.
The A330neo uses Rolls-Royce Trent 7000, which derives from the Trent 1000, used on the Boeing B787. Boeing 787 doesn't have a bleed air system, so they had to redesign an engine made to work without bleed, to have a bleed system.
Hello. What's the update on latest Trent 7000 reliability issues? TAP Air Portugal and Kuwait have apparently grounded their A339 Neos.
The A330-800 is basically suffering the same fate as the Boeing 777-8
I think it has to do with looks. The 200 and 800 versions' vertical stabilizers are a little bulkier than the 300 and 900s leaving little room for the cone piece in the back. The 300 and 900s look a little kooler😎
Really love the 330, very very comfortable. Hope to see more orders!
The success of the A330-300/200s with airlines may be a reason for the slow uptake of the Neo.
I flew delta a330neo recently from Amsterdam to Boston. Pretty nice plane!
Flew about 2000 miles on a new 321. Very noisy PTU or whatever it was near the right under fuselage near wing. Very noisy until cruising.
@@eleventy-seven doesn't make it a bad plane
The Airbus A330 is pretty cool, especially since you don't need as much retraining to fly it if you were flying an A320
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Given the range and fuel efficiency of the 900 the advantages of a smaller variant are limited. There is just not enough room with the 319, 321, and 330-900 all around.
9 months later from the date this video was published, 330 REDEMPTION moment!
It might be just me, but I think they should have made an A310-400NEO instead of the A330-800. The A330-900 has better range than the old -200 with the capacity of the -300. The A310 was a true middle of the market aircraft before that was even considered a market. An A310-400NEO and 400NEO freighter would likely sell very well while also ensuring that the Boeing NMA would be a market failure. The A310 had a decent capacity while also being small enough to be at smaller airports with more restrictions.
A300 and A310 are analogue aircraft a bit like the 737).
Not a good idea to paint those old aircraft as new like Boeing has been doing with the 737 over the decades.
Although i never flown the widebody in my life, I am loving the A330CEO because in my opinion it was an excellent widebody airliner ever made in history by Airbus.
And you base that on never having flown on ANY widebody, let alone an A330? Cool story bro.
My home country has some widebody but never flown on it before
You didn't say its nickname 'the butter machine'
My favorite airbus is the a330-300 and the a350-900. The A350 is just so quiet. And for Boeing I like the b747 and b787-9 for medium/ long range flights.
My favourite actually A340-600 but in this case my favourite is A330-900 ☺️
The A330 neo will remain somewhat niche given that it's not very much smaller than the A350 with a more dated airframe. Against these limited sales expectations stands the low R&D & re-tooling cost for building this facelift. The question is wether there will be a profit in the end for Airbus fron that decision.
It worked several times for the Boeing 737.
As a passenger, I much prefer the 787 to the A330. It feels roomier, much larger windows, better cabin pressure and humidity. I will always prefer a 787 flight if offered. I live in Hawaii and am glad Hawaiian cancelled their A330 order for 787's.
I've always thought the a330 was bigger than the a350 due to its bulkier appearance
I flew on a330 - 200 as a kid and i loved it
When can we expect to see ‘Part 11’ of the “How To Start An Airline” Series?
a330 = iPhone 14
a330neo = iPhone 14 pro max
The A330 Neo's timing was off. It came at a time when it was not needed, mostly due to airlines already having options that currently fulfill their needs and also due to competition from Boeing's 787.
How are these figures accurate? TAP portugal has A330 neo airplanes and it's not listed here.
I like the A330-300 on Delta airlines. It has a comfortable first class.
Whilst i like the 330 Neo in both versions. the 800 has suffered. Boeing has been very competative with the 787 on price. That plus its range on a comparable 787-8 at 14200kms puts it right at the middle of the 800 and 900Neos. Now youre an airline both boeing and airbus available. The 787-8 and -9 beats the -800 quite well, the -900NEO not quite as well. Also in the past its been cheaper to buy. or lease. For Airbus id be talking to rolls and upping the engine range once again, to give the -800Neo a fighting chance. However thats all added costs. I still prefer the -900NEo its a class plane and a very safe one to fly.
The 787 still hasn't made a profit yet
Because A339 has a enough range to cover airlines destination and more passenger which is very cost efficient and profitable so some airline don't need the longer range of a338 with less capacity
All planes with less A330 neos:1,4,2
Delta:🗿
From a pax perspective the neos feel like latest generation planes. I didn't feel like it was outdated compared to the A350
Why do you think the A350 is outdated?
@@chrismckellar9350 he is saying it feels outdated
A330-800 may fit with low cost airlines which can offer more long haul destinations and carry around 300 seats
A330-900 will be better option for medium haul route than a350-900.
The a330 is kinda like the toyota camry under the airplanes: not very exciting, but itll get you there reliably.
A330-200 VS A330-900 VS A330-800
Range - 13,450km VS 13,334km VS 15,094km
Max Capacity - 406 VS 440 VS 406
Getting A330-900 is basically getting A330-200 with higher capacity (and maybe more fuel efficient), no brainer really
A330-800 range is overkill if using the current A330-200 routes, which doesnt really make sense if airlines just want to replace the -200 and using the same routes
The neo has a cuter cockpit windows no doubt
Flying a A330-900neo Delta in July 😁
I do really like the looks of a larger A330 (CEO & NEO) over the smaller A330 (CEO & NEO) because the smaller one looks odd for me.
Also don’t forget about the A330-300 Regional. Saudia being the launch customer.
You forgot about the mask on the cockpit windows😆😆!
How does it relate to the a350?
In passenger count.
CEBU PACIFIC AIR HAS SIGNED MOU TO AIRBUS FOR 16(SIXTEEN) AIRBUS A330-900, BUT THEY TAKEN THE 3(THREE) A330-900NEO ALREADY PAINTED FOR AIR ASIA MALAYSIA BUT THEY CANCELLED IT,NOW CEBU PACIFIC HAS 19 ON ORDER,4 OUT OF 19 HAS ALREADY DELIVERED.
Since already 16, I guess the brand new (as in manufactured for Cebu Pacific, as the former AirAsia X are called white tail) will be reduced to 13
As 330-200/300s become older air carriers will start to phase them out for the NEOs.
Remember Delta has only so much time with the 767-300s and eventually the 764s.
Give it another few years United will look to phase out the 763s and 764s.
happy birthday to a330
thank for 30th year anniversary
I love the comfportable take-offs and landings ofthe Aribus aircraft.
I hope Brussels airlines order the a338 and maybe klm could update their fleet to a339
I love the NEO 900. Sales will pick up for the NEO, boeing nma is dead!
I haven't been on either of them😢
So far it looks like Uganda made a wiser choice with the 800 neo for its range.
I think a330-800 is poor due to airlines not wanting to go that far, they need to consider pilots and crew members ability to fly for 17+ hours, but this decade is now decided to 787s and a350s
I really like the A330neo if I had an airline I would only buy the newest aircrafts like the A320neo family theA350 family and the A330neo family aircrafts.
My favourite A330 is the A340-600 :D
I like the 330-800
A330neo Is better than the 787 to be honest because the landing gears and the cabin its just really good but 787 is good too with those big windows and good engines and dimmable windows overall all wide bodies are good
cabins is dictated by airlines, but i agree with the rest of your opinion
To look at A330 900 is nice but I'm awaiting to fly on 1 day been on A330 300 and B787-9
the a330 from aerolineas argentinas is just beautiful
Airbus a330 should have enough ground to wing clearance to install any high bypass turbofan engines from either GE, Pratt Whitney, cfm, IAE, or Rolls Royce. If GE locked Airbus out of the market for their GenX or Ge9X engines just to keep Boeing happy with the 787 Dreamliner then I hope Roll Royce and Pratt Whitney improve on reliability to make the Airbus a330 more competitive. I would like to see an a350 neo equipped with the Trent Ultrafan turbofan engines from Rolls Royce when they become reliable for sale.
Being a hater of triple seats, I hope this aircraft will find future success.
I suspect Finnair, SAS and Aer Lingus, will be the next carriers to order the A330neo to replace their A330-300s.
I mean the neos have the 350s at their back. You would want a new model rather than a modified old model
A350-800, bit dearer (10% upfront) but lower operating, or A350-900 which is runaway more successful
Actually, Airbus would have to work on a carbon A330neo. So that it existed compared to the 787.
And since the 787 currently have massive song problems, a carbon A330neo would make sense.
Maybe the new engines 🤯🤯🤯
No matter the carrier, as an International traveler I fly almost exclusively on Boeing aircraft. Now, domestic is another story. Short hauls can be any variety of manufacturers, and I don't pay attention to the equipment. It's all small and tight.
NEO stands for New Engine Option
I just answered this 11:00 video with literally a few seconds.
I'm happy to fly on anything Airbus, also 747, 757, 767. But not the 737 or the 787.
A330 is best 2 engine aircraft from the 80s
Apart from the a320
Cebu Pacific laughs at the 440 max seat capacity on the A330-900.
Im still expecting orders from Turkish Airlines. Or Low cost to asia ? Why not Pegasus ?
I really think once JetBlue acquires Spirt, and finds success in its Long Haul routes, will order the A330-900neo.
#airbusforever #airbusforlife #airbusforlife
next vid: A350 vs A330 NEOS
Don't just compare models, also consider context and reality :
- pandemic demonstrated many businesses could be done remotely (well the world kind of was forced to do it) => less business travellers
- global recession => less travellers
So, yeah, today you have a bunch of 777-300ER and A380 (a few 747-8I), you can't get rid of them as some routes require them, but when the time comes you renew your fleet, you consider *what **_would_** happen in the next 20 years* : the high capacity planes you'll want to replace are 777s and A350s, *you don't want too many of those,* but you'll need to replace A330s and definately not have any 4-engines anymore (A340/747/a380), so, you absolutely don't want the A330-800, *too small,* the A330-900 is better.
However, 787-9 and 787-10 would be an option, and slight upgrades from Boeing are to be expected.
Similarly, for 777-300ER users such as Emirates or Air France, the 777-8 is slightly smaller than 747, and much smaller than A380, and is a direct competitor of the A350-1000 which is already available today, you don't really need to plan on ordering 777-8 in 2023, more likely in 2030 when you need diversity in your fleet along with 777-9 and *if things go better,* which is probably too optimistic. The 777-9 is in line with the standing and there would be no larger airliner in the world for the next half century, so, take a handful of those beasts, then directly cut capacty down to A350-900/A330-900/787-9 (or an eventually upgraded 787-10 which is a very poorly performing version as it is today, much like the 767-400ER)
So, put in perspective, airlines plan to decrease capacity offers the range of the 747/A380 down to 777-9/A350-1000, and in the range 777-300ER down to A350-900/787-9 (or -10 eventually). At the same time, A330-200/300 fleets had to get replaced, so, it seems the A330-900 does fill those requirements, but if you can get A350-900 and fly most routes on your network, why bother getting A330-900 ? It's more important to have the exact required offer than get extra planes for route flying efficiency, and ground extra planes more often the rest of the time (that's a waste, nobody want to watch those planes on the ground since the pandemic). Why the A330Neo sales are so depressing is not really about the planes themselves, but the context and projections, you actually have options (787/A350). The A330-800 is just... useless, except for airlines that don't have a market and can't propose an offer larger than A330-200/800 or 787-8. What may change is the worldwide A330-300 fleet renewal, it is expected to *still have A330-900 orders for many years to come,* but sure, you mentionned it, you don't have engine manufacturer diversity.
Finally, an airline flying Boeing won't select A330Neo. As an airline, you need to replace planes at some point, but not at the expense of an entire qualification program and the hassle of operation and logistics reorganization. That's why even when the A330 would be the PERFECT replacement, an airline already flying 777/787 will stick with 787. Perfection doesn't mean possible.
Side note : I won't say it enough : *range is irrelevant, what matter is payload (and takeoff run).* _"How many tons of payload can I lift from this airport and deliver through my network at what cost if there is such demand there ?"_ 99% of long haul routes worldwide don't care about 8000nm range, they are in the 3800-6500nm window. It's just a reflex to advertise range to give an idea of how fuel efficient the type is, because human brain can't digest an information the kind of 1.6kg/pax/100nm, a value that also changes depending on how much seats you have and if you also add cargo. Saying _"the A330-800 flies farther than -900, I don't understand why airlines aren't interested..."_ yup, they don't care.
Some airlines just prefer next gen. I wouldn't be surprised if an airline replaces a330s with 787s and 777s with a350s
hi i cant wait to fly the as passenger bc in 2018 was my last flight on a airplane bf the the disaster
I think Airbus should also offer the GENX to the A330Neo.