I have a fealing the 350 will be the workhorse evetyally Coposite airframes is expensive to develops, but in the long rum they will probobly cheaper than aluminium dito
@@nntflow7058 i kind of like the 3-4-3 of 747 best, because it can serve travle companions of any number. Maybe a 3-4-2 argangment would be the better option for 350
What's surprising is originally the Mel-Per-Lhr route was anticipated to be full of mostly Melbourne passengers; however Qantas has found that most seats are being booked direct from Perth. Hopefully that keeps Perth as a future long haul departure point once Syd/Mel-Lhr/JFK come online with the A350
While the 350 is always going to outsell the 330neo because of its better fuel burn, you have missed one important advantage of the 330 for some airlines. If they are an Airbus only shop for their narrowbodies (as many non-US airlines are) the 330neo has a common type rating with the A320 family. This gives a large gain in staffing flexibility and a large reduction in training costs, plus enough commonality to also reduce maintenance costs.
I didn't know they were both that close in size. Makes you question why Airbus didn't bother with the A350-800 and open the door to all A350 fleets. With the A321XLR coming soon and being able to have up to 240 passengers in a narrowbody the A330 market is being eaten into by both ends. That's before you factor in how being beat them to the punch with the 787.
Probably type ratings. Airlines already operating the older A330s are incentivized to move over to the A330-900 since it would require minimal additional training for pilots and cabin crew vs switching over to the A350
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A not-so-obvious aspect is financing conditions. At very simplified terms A330 series is kept in the lineup as an option with a cheaper initial price and higher operation (fuel) cost for airlines with not as good credit rating (=higher interest) or generally limited access to financing. If less interest eats up your cash flow you have more left for fuel and are less vulnerable to business hickups. Look at the selection of 330neo buyer airlines here in the video - none of them are big players from the top economies. I would not be surprised if the 330neo is sold at much higher hidden discounts than the 350 because the development program of the base plane is long written off and only the neo program's cost goes into the price, so airbus has more headroom for discounts will retaining some contribution margin.
The A330-800 will still be around but as the MRTT variant in the Airbus Defence catalogue and is likely to sell more military than commercial aircraft. It would be interesting to hear how the leasing of the RAF MRTTs is going.
The A330-800 still has a market with airlines that mainly run 320s but need some widebodies for their thickest routes. The common pilot type rating and the commonality of many parts between the 320s and 330s makes this the ideal choice for such airlines. But it is a niche market.
Fuel burn, sure. But if you are already running a fleet of 320s the additional maintenance and training costs of the 330 will be far less than for any other widebody because of parts commonality and the common pilot type rating. So the 330 still has a market - just not as large as the 350's.
The 3-3-3 seat configuration (9 seats across) on the A330 can get pretty cramped. AirAsiaX of Malaysia uses this configuration and it makes it for a cramped seating for someone larger than the average South-East Asian.
Does the 330neo have near-similar noise levels & cabin pressures as the 350? I've only been on (admittedly elderly) A330-200 & -300, and the A350 was a generational difference in terms of comfort. I've specifically chosen airfares due to the aircraft before, and a 350 would get my ticket over a 330 according to my (admittedly limited) experience. That sort of passenger sentiment would have to come into the airline's purchase-decision algorithm.
Singapore Airlines A350 economy seats are shocking for comfort and pitch. I recently flew both SQ 350 and JetStar 787 to Melbourne and the winner by far was JetStar/
Two questions: 1, is the A350 more fuel economical (and more economical generally?); 2, which has the greater resale value in, say, 20 years, assuming both have the same expiry dates?
A350 is much more economical due to it's all-composite build. A330 still has an aluminium frame with carbon wings, A350 has carbon frame and wings. I believe the total airframe hours of the A350 is also higher for this reason.
The resale value of 20 year old airliners is set by their value as freighters (unlike passengers freight does not care how old the plane is). And I've heard the 330 is better for this - loads quicker, tolerates more abuse by the loaders.
A330 neo is a great aircraft and as such, it will be a success like its predecessor. The reason, sales didn't picked up, it's only because the old A330s are still very good performers and companies don't feel any urgency in retiring them.
@@ama6487 Assuming 787-9 vs A330-900, the 787 Is better is some ways. Not much better. They’re very similar in their capabilities. When the time comes, I doubt many airlines already operating old A330s choose to replace them for 787s instead of NEOs.
@@ama6487nah it’s shit, I don’t understand why airlines love the 787 so much, I’ve flown on Etihad Airways 787 and the experience was horrible, then I tried Kuwait Airways A330neo, and the flight comfort on the A330neo is much better, the ride quality was smoother significantly lower jet lag compared to the 787
What is known with the Airbus a330neo is the the same nose section and cockpit windshield design as the a300, a310, a330, and a340 but with new wingtips on the a330 based wing, new engines, and STRANGELY the a350 style zorro mask.
A330neo is suitable for Low Cost Carrier like AirAsia X as its focus more on capacity and low maintenance cost. Also, they been using A330-300 for almost a decade now. So its pretty wise to pick 330neo as its new fleet.
It is funny how the term "to climb over somebody" to get to the aisle has stuck. With today's economy class seating, it is virtually impossible for an adult to "climb over" another adult without either causing injuries to one or both of the people involved or coming way too close to the person. 🤣 I will soon be able to have the direct comparison, as out of the two transatlantic flights soon to come, one will be on a 330 neo while the other one will be on a 350. I've flown on the latter before, but my 330 experience is limited to the oder variants. So I am curious how much of a difference there will be.
After having a ✈️ WAW (Poland) - JFK (NY USA) on deck of 330-900neo and trip back on 787 Dreaming I can tell, Airbus wins. 787 is very good, comfortable plane, but 330-900neo is simply better. More space for passengers, better seats and unique landing gear - so smooth and nice touch down. No Boeing is as good as Airbus in that matter. Air Belgium colors give that plane prestigious look, I was very pleased.
Hi from Singapore. Yesterday I just flew back from brisbane Australia for holiday by Singapore airlines a350 900. I love flying the a350 900. ✈️. Flown it a few times alr. Never flown the A330 900 neo yet
well.. A330 height is less and the flight control is more delayed,the first flare height will be as early as 50 feet above ground. it's different from the A350 which flare height is only about 30 feet.if we use the same height as A350 with the A330, it could lead to a hard landing
The a350 is more aerodynamic than the neo, bc of its clean sheet and modern design Its wings are designed to morph in flight and the advanced materials, make it all the more aerodynamic
The A350 is made from carbon, which is a great material, but very expensive and the manufacturing requires hazardous substances and the carbon fibers are dangerous for health as well.
Time will tell if the A338 would be a promising commercial success when most A332s careers would have to replace them. At present time, needless to say that the A350 is a wonderful plane for passengers awa for pilots.
The 330 is the sensible choice for medium/long rang. The longevity and maintenance costs are fairly set in stone. This can not be said for the 350, because, we just don't know yet.
The A330 is inherently more aerodynamic than either 787 or A350 due to narrower fuselage width, which brings it right back into the equation, despite its legacy status. A330 also has similar, modern powerplants & similar aerodynamic wingtips which now make it a genuine long range performer, something the A330ceo fell slightly short of. A330neo has to be a force to be reckoned with in this sector. CEO of Air Asia once described the A330 as 'Pound for pound, the best airliner on the market!' As for A350. Traveled on Cathay Pacific. Beautiful airliner.
Air Asia squeeze 9 abreast seating in their A330. It is squuezy! The A330 suppose to be 8 abreast. If you really tight budget then use Air Asia lest better go for better airlines if you want to have a nice comfortable journey overseas.
I choose A330-800 best for me more economy cost and more range than any others. So i have notice. The plane is not always full seats. Always about 80-90 % seated and left 10-20 available always i ve notice i grow up flying in my life domestics and internationals i find for me A34340-800 neos perfect for me if i am business aviation i would take it yes! A350 too expensive 330-900 expensive too but a330-800 is economy and save money and seats perfects for me!
Airbus just listened to one customer desire and fantasy. Jim Clark did the same with the B777X program. Airbus lost a lot of money with the A380 so I really don't believe to a A380 revival. The supply challenges are so big that to restart a NEO program is money and time consuming and quite risky too. The A350 is popular and even the A330 NEO is not dead at all. Boeing has to make money with the B777X. And even the B787 is losing money after many assembly flaws...
I've been on those A330 Cebu Pacific... it feels more cramped than riding a jeepney on Monday morning (those who've been to the Philippines know what I'm talking about)
a330neo is the future the 350 is gonna vs 777x but 330neo will take over 787 airbus is planning the 330neo 1000 with everything redesigned and it will be something completely new and much more technological advanced than any plane.
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Always had a soft spot for the 330. It's overshadowed by the 350 but non the less is a great work horse.
I have a fealing the 350 will be the workhorse evetyally
Coposite airframes is expensive to develops, but in the long rum they will probobly cheaper than aluminium dito
It's way more comfortable for economy class passengers. Can't beat the 2-4-2/2-3-2 config on A330.
@@nntflow7058 i kind of like the 3-4-3 of 747 best, because it can serve travle companions of any number.
Maybe a 3-4-2 argangment would be the better option for 350
@@matsv201 do you know what youre talking?
Also the black shading around the windows looks cool too
~ As an Economy passengers; 8 abreast A330neo is much more preferable instead
~ As an AvGeek; would love to see Qantas A350-1000 Project Sunrise
right now that role is taken by a boeing 787-9
What's surprising is originally the Mel-Per-Lhr route was anticipated to be full of mostly Melbourne passengers; however Qantas has found that most seats are being booked direct from Perth. Hopefully that keeps Perth as a future long haul departure point once Syd/Mel-Lhr/JFK come online with the A350
The A350s stronger and lighter fuselage also helps with passenger comfort as it is able to be pressurised more which reduces dehydration and jetlag
While the 350 is always going to outsell the 330neo because of its better fuel burn, you have missed one important advantage of the 330 for some airlines. If they are an Airbus only shop for their narrowbodies (as many non-US airlines are) the 330neo has a common type rating with the A320 family. This gives a large gain in staffing flexibility and a large reduction in training costs, plus enough commonality to also reduce maintenance costs.
Hope that the a330neos' sales pick up with airlines having to renew their ceo fleets in the near future. 28 years and counting for the a330 family. ❤️
Malaysia Airlines ordered 20 neos very recently! Hope they can restart routes they used to operate when they still had their 777’s
@@shin267 I love Malaysia Airlines! Really happy for both parties with the order!
@@shin267 malaysia stored their b777s
@@judebryanco966 They will never use them again after the accidents.
@@shin267 yes they believing b777 is a curse aircraft for malaysia airlines
The 330 Neo looks SO much better with those larger engines. Those really change the look of the plane. Makes it look pretty bad ass really. I like it!
Ikr the 330 looks kinda ass with those tiny engines 😂
CEO not neo
I didn't know they were both that close in size. Makes you question why Airbus didn't bother with the A350-800 and open the door to all A350 fleets. With the A321XLR coming soon and being able to have up to 240 passengers in a narrowbody the A330 market is being eaten into by both ends. That's before you factor in how being beat them to the punch with the 787.
The a350-800 weren't selling.
I was thinking the same. You just gotta let shit go sometimes.
A321 XLR just reach 4700nm while the A330NEO 7200nm. The price difference between A330NEO with A350 still huge. It is good to still offer A330.
Probably type ratings. Airlines already operating the older A330s are incentivized to move over to the A330-900 since it would require minimal additional training for pilots and cabin crew vs switching over to the A350
A not-so-obvious aspect is financing conditions. At very simplified terms A330 series is kept in the lineup as an option with a cheaper initial price and higher operation (fuel) cost for airlines with not as good credit rating (=higher interest) or generally limited access to financing. If less interest eats up your cash flow you have more left for fuel and are less vulnerable to business hickups. Look at the selection of 330neo buyer airlines here in the video - none of them are big players from the top economies. I would not be surprised if the 330neo is sold at much higher hidden discounts than the 350 because the development program of the base plane is long written off and only the neo program's cost goes into the price, so airbus has more headroom for discounts will retaining some contribution margin.
Happy to see Cebu Pacific's A330 which I've been on recently!
The exact video I've been wanting. Thanks guys!
The A330-800 will still be around but as the MRTT variant in the Airbus Defence catalogue and is likely to sell more military than commercial aircraft. It would be interesting to hear how the leasing of the RAF MRTTs is going.
Did I miss something? The - 800 is not offered in the mrtt variant and I didn't hear about plans to do so.
The A330-800 still has a market with airlines that mainly run 320s but need some widebodies for their thickest routes. The common pilot type rating and the commonality of many parts between the 320s and 330s makes this the ideal choice for such airlines. But it is a niche market.
I see it as the A350 competing with the 777, and the A330 competing with the 787
Comparison in operating costs and fuel burn is missing. I'm very sure, the A350 will have the edge on this by far.
Fuel burn, sure. But if you are already running a fleet of 320s the additional maintenance and training costs of the 330 will be far less than for any other widebody because of parts commonality and the common pilot type rating. So the 330 still has a market - just not as large as the 350's.
The a330neo will become more popular when older a330ceos need to be replaced
The 3-3-3 seat configuration (9 seats across) on the A330 can get pretty cramped. AirAsiaX of Malaysia uses this configuration and it makes it for a cramped seating for someone larger than the average South-East Asian.
Does the 330neo have near-similar noise levels & cabin pressures as the 350? I've only been on (admittedly elderly) A330-200 & -300, and the A350 was a generational difference in terms of comfort. I've specifically chosen airfares due to the aircraft before, and a 350 would get my ticket over a 330 according to my (admittedly limited) experience. That sort of passenger sentiment would have to come into the airline's purchase-decision algorithm.
How about fuel consumption?
Singapore Airlines A350 economy seats are shocking for comfort and pitch. I recently flew both SQ 350 and JetStar 787 to Melbourne and the winner by far was JetStar/
9:26 A330-1000 😂 imagine if that existed
Or an A330 ULR
That would be interesting
Two questions: 1, is the A350 more fuel economical (and more economical generally?); 2, which has the greater resale value in, say, 20 years, assuming both have the same expiry dates?
A350 is much more economical due to it's all-composite build. A330 still has an aluminium frame with carbon wings, A350 has carbon frame and wings. I believe the total airframe hours of the A350 is also higher for this reason.
@@gelatinous6915 the 330 is constructed almost entirely out of aluminium, both in fuselage and wingbox
@@chrisparry5958 My bad, I thought the Neos had composite wings.
The resale value of 20 year old airliners is set by their value as freighters (unlike passengers freight does not care how old the plane is). And I've heard the 330 is better for this - loads quicker, tolerates more abuse by the loaders.
If I was to run an airline, I'd pretty much just choose A330-900s as my long body aircraft.
They cost much the same and the a359 is cheaper to operate
What's the music simple flying uses?
What is the name of the first few background soundtrack pls?
A330 neo is a great aircraft and as such, it will be a success like its predecessor.
The reason, sales didn't picked up, it's only because the old A330s are still very good performers and companies don't feel any urgency in retiring them.
And because 787 is much better aircraft
@@ama6487 Assuming 787-9 vs A330-900, the 787 Is better is some ways. Not much better. They’re very similar in their capabilities.
When the time comes, I doubt many airlines already operating old A330s choose to replace them for 787s instead of NEOs.
@@ama6487nah it’s shit, I don’t understand why airlines love the 787 so much, I’ve flown on Etihad Airways 787 and the experience was horrible, then I tried Kuwait Airways A330neo, and the flight comfort on the A330neo is much better, the ride quality was smoother significantly lower jet lag compared to the 787
You didn’t mention fuel consumption, rather than a higher price of the 350 if it makes a 2% less fuel consumption in a 8 hour flight its a better deal
What is known with the Airbus a330neo is the the same nose section and cockpit windshield design as the a300, a310, a330, and a340 but with new wingtips on the a330 based wing, new engines, and STRANGELY the a350 style zorro mask.
A330neo is suitable for Low Cost Carrier like AirAsia X as its focus more on capacity and low maintenance cost. Also, they been using A330-300 for almost a decade now. So its pretty wise to pick 330neo as its new fleet.
Id like more on this subject bc it has many layers experts could weigh in on...
It is funny how the term "to climb over somebody" to get to the aisle has stuck. With today's economy class seating, it is virtually impossible for an adult to "climb over" another adult without either causing injuries to one or both of the people involved or coming way too close to the person. 🤣
I will soon be able to have the direct comparison, as out of the two transatlantic flights soon to come, one will be on a 330 neo while the other one will be on a 350. I've flown on the latter before, but my 330 experience is limited to the oder variants. So I am curious how much of a difference there will be.
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Cathay Pacific may be the largest operator of A330neo in the future
As a bigger Boeing fan, the A330 has always been a cool plane despite the 767 and 787 existing
After having a ✈️ WAW (Poland) - JFK (NY USA) on deck of 330-900neo and trip back on 787 Dreaming I can tell, Airbus wins. 787 is very good, comfortable plane, but 330-900neo is simply better. More space for passengers, better seats and unique landing gear - so smooth and nice touch down. No Boeing is as good as Airbus in that matter. Air Belgium colors give that plane prestigious look, I was very pleased.
If they do a 9 abreast A330 it will be brutal.
11:19 which aircraft do "fo" like
Aer Lingus should consider the A330-900 as a replacement for its 200 and 300 variants whenever they decide to replace them.
to answer both i would use both
Hi from Singapore. Yesterday I just flew back from brisbane Australia for holiday by Singapore airlines a350 900. I love flying the a350 900. ✈️. Flown it a few times alr. Never flown the A330 900 neo yet
Also, the a330 has lower cabin pressurization, this makes a big difference in customer comfort on long haul.
It seems Delta is the only US carrier with these two beautiful jets.
United has ordered the a350 but has delayed the delivery
@@heidirabenau511 United might convert their order to A220s.
American had A330 but retired them during the pandemic I believe I read
2-4-2 please 🎉
IMO I find the A330neo more eye pleasant than A350.
To me in terms of looks I prefer A330 900 NEO but, the A350 has a better performance
I personaly prefer the a330 but the a350 is a great aircraft too
It was not a fair comparison, the a350 program was better funded than the A330neo which the A330neo was produced as a cheap counterattack on 787
A350-A330 queens of thr sky ✈✈✈✈
Fuel used per thousand miles?
I wonder if the a330 could be used for regional air travel
it all depends on runway length
A330 is the best butter machine
3:09 what a beast
well.. A330 height is less and the flight control is more delayed,the first flare height will be as early as 50 feet above ground. it's different from the A350 which flare height is only about 30 feet.if we use the same height as A350 with the A330, it could lead to a hard landing
cebu pacific is the ryanair of asia
Is the A330neo a good Middle of the Market Aircraft?
A330-800 Neo would be my pick
Wow! I thought that the A330 was bigger than A350!
I like the a330 because it is a butter machine
The a350 is more aerodynamic than the neo, bc of its clean sheet and modern design
Its wings are designed to morph in flight and the advanced materials, make it all the more aerodynamic
A350 was slightly more expensive but yeah it has a lot massive better quality and feature compare to the a330neo
Misspelled "Do" also the video ended too abruptly
The A350 is made from carbon, which is a great material, but very expensive and the manufacturing requires hazardous substances and the carbon fibers are dangerous for health as well.
Time will tell if the A338 would be a promising commercial success when most A332s careers would have to replace them. At present time, needless to say that the A350 is a wonderful plane for passengers awa for pilots.
By the time I'm watching this video Air Algérie ordered 5 a330-900 and 2 a350-1000 🇩🇿✊
The 330 is the sensible choice for medium/long rang. The longevity and maintenance costs are fairly set in stone. This can not be said for the 350, because, we just don't know yet.
A330 is kind of the Toyota version of the "Lexus" like A350.
it's "which plane is better" because you're only comparing two things
With the a350 paint issues not being fixed by airbus, I recon the a330 will takeoff
A350 is much better for passenger comfort. Higher cabin pressure and humidity. And quieter.
The A330 is inherently more aerodynamic than either 787 or A350 due to narrower fuselage width, which brings it right back into the equation, despite its legacy status. A330 also has similar, modern powerplants & similar aerodynamic wingtips which now make it a genuine long range performer, something the A330ceo fell slightly short of. A330neo has to be a force to be reckoned with in this sector. CEO of Air Asia once described the A330 as 'Pound for pound, the best airliner on the market!' As for A350. Traveled on Cathay Pacific. Beautiful airliner.
Air Asia squeeze 9 abreast seating in their A330. It is squuezy! The A330 suppose to be 8 abreast. If you really tight budget then use Air Asia lest better go for better airlines if you want to have a nice comfortable journey overseas.
I choose A330-800 best for me more economy cost and more range than any others. So i have notice. The plane is not always full seats. Always about 80-90 % seated and left 10-20 available always i ve notice i grow up flying in my life domestics and internationals i find for me A34340-800 neos perfect for me if i am business aviation i would take it yes! A350 too expensive 330-900 expensive too but a330-800 is economy and save money and seats perfects for me!
'Correction A34340-900 is A330-800 NEOS is PERFECT for me!
While doing the a350-1000 you accidentally put a330-1000
Is it weird that the A330 looks fatter and bigger than the A350? The latter looks thinner and narrower but it isn't really
There is no comparison between the two aircraft types, as they have been designed to fit different markets.
Either except the 737 MAX 8
Airbus just listened to one customer desire and fantasy. Jim Clark did the same with the B777X program. Airbus lost a lot of money with the A380 so I really don't believe to a A380 revival. The supply challenges are so big that to restart a NEO program is money and time consuming and quite risky too. The A350 is popular and even the A330 NEO is not dead at all. Boeing has to make money with the B777X. And even the B787 is losing money after many assembly flaws...
the A350 has too many screens in the cockpit it scares me
I have sat in A350 that has 2/4/2 economy seat configuration
There is no need of A330....program will die and never be replaced
A330 2-4-2>
Comparative, not superlative.
Which plane is better?
Answer; certainly not a Boeing 😂
You forgot to mention that Qatar has grounded all its A350
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The A350 is amazing aircraft than A330 neo
I've been on those A330 Cebu Pacific... it feels more cramped than riding a jeepney on Monday morning (those who've been to the Philippines know what I'm talking about)
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A350 is Best
A350 is better than A330neo cathay pacific love A350 but not love A330neo
Cathay Pacific has the A330-300 through
If Cathay gets out of their tough patch they will eventually get the a330neo to replace their older a330ceos
bruh, cathay pacific doesn't love A330neo
@@LittleLazyCat they will probably order the A330neo once they retire their airbus A330ceos
Oh bull this is unfair
Not the smartest videos they publish lately. why do they produce lesser plane after a330?
a330neo is the future the 350 is gonna vs 777x but 330neo will take over 787 airbus is planning the 330neo 1000 with everything redesigned and it will be something completely new and much more technological advanced than any plane.
@@ddroidgaming13 The Boeing Airbus Widebody lineup:
747-8 vs A380
777-9 vs A350-1000
787-10 vs A350-900
787-9 vs A330-900
787-8 vs A330-800
@@ddroidgaming13 It’s unlikely that the 777-8 would be built.
Mind your GRAMMAR. BETTER, not BEST. use the comparative, not the superlative, when comparing TWO things...
How stupid, how do you build 2 of the same serving airplanes, i guess that's why Airbus is always playing catchup to Boeing...