Seriously, as an old man, that animation in the beginning of everyone standing around the comic shop talking is what it use to be like pre internet, I miss those days in a way, but in these dark times, being able to keep sane by talking to people across the world who see through the crazy is invaluable and it gives me some hope for the future.
Fines and fees, playing by the rules in most cases, you would pay the price, like the flying car incident. If you ignore the rules, you could take and make whatever.
The X-Men Argument is in my top 3 list of of examples for why every fandom should gatekeep their fandom like Spartans guarding the gate to Helm's deep.
By gatekeeping it you are basically doing the same as the Mary Sue does in this article and go against what the panel says about X-men, it is for everyone who feels excluded. It is not for you to decide how someone wants to read and interpret a work of art as is is neither for the Mary Sue or anyone else.
@@caesarjergens that is a bunch of hogwash. ppl that want to celebrate the thing as it is are welcome. ppl who want to subvert and change it need to be stopped at the door! that is what gatekeeping means.
@@caesarjergens shame and exclude anyone who demands changes to established characters or lore for reasons beyond fixing plot holes include everyone that wants to appreciate what X-Men is about. That's how you gatekeep.
Protect the source material and the actual fans at all cost. Who cares about the pretenders? They'll just go to somewhere else and complain and attempt to destroy another IP.
“I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health." One of the most dangerous presidents we had in this century was John Kennedy because people said "Yes Sir Mr. Charismatic Leader what do we do next?" and we wound up in Vietnam. And I think probably the most valuable president of this century was Richard Nixon. Because he taught us to distrust government and he did it by example.” - Frank Herbert
Nixon was a great president. Too bad it's the good ones who leave office and not the terrible ones. Recall, someone in his campaign spied on the opposition, HE HIMSELF DIDN'T but took the fall. Obama blatantly iretappedway umptray and nothing happened to him, idenbay took ibesbray and nothing happened to him.
I never understood why the Weaseley's in Harry Potter were poor. They have magic. They could fix their clothing and house, probably grow more food, everything a family needs. They should be wizard poor but muggle rich.
there were so many moments like that for me when i read the books, but the story is good enough i just shrug it off. magic has infinite possibilities, and humans cant think of everything.
@@brandonhainstock2928 Remember it was a series written for children. While I often think, in the US, children's stories are underestimating the intelligence of kids, explaining why the Weasley's would be poor probably isn't a question a 10 year old would care to ask. They were poor to make them underdogs and allow children to identify with and root for, offering an explanation of their economic status wasin't necessary since a child wouldn't question it. Adults enjoyed the series but it wasn't written for us so certain elements would seem unjustified and simplistic to an adult.
I think they just lived honestly and true to themselves But I did often wonder why Harry didn't find a way to give them some of his fortune - anonymously of course
I was never into the deep Potter lore, but I always just assumed the magic realm had some kind of fixed caste system, and you weren’t allowed to present above your station. Made sense to me considering the author’s nationhood, and the fact she spent time laying out the family trees for characters.
I gave up on X-Men comics when the story line centered around radical Christians blowing up school buses of mutants, while the Islamic mutant was calling for peace. This was less than a decade after 9/11 when thousands of people around the world were dying from Islamic terror each year.
Religion as a whole is the problem. Jews in Israel aren't doing amazing things at the moment. American conservative protestants are the biggest supporters of Israel for religious reasons, while they are also taking away women's rights in the US at the same time. Arguably, America killed hundreds of thousands of people invading 3 countries in the Middle East and North Africa back then. Is that not worse? A state funding murder of that scale, versus barbaric lunatics convincing a dozen guys to fly a plane into buildings?
In the book, the Freemen did not have lasers. They were hunted with lasers because they didn't have shields. The Sardakar, the most deadly known soldiers in the Dune Universe, went to the south to investigate. The only Freemen in the south were the old, the women and the children. The Sardakar were fighting with them and desperately used there crafts rockets as flame throwers to escape. That is how bad ass the Freemen are in the book. Alia allowed herself to be captured because she didn't want to face Paul to tell him Leto II was killed by the Sardakar. Her scene close to the end of the book was funny, telling 'Shaddam' to scare the Baron more.
@rds4629 and because of this comment, I'm glad Villanueve ignored the book for many parts...... Herbert wrote a book in a time where no one was used to film like we are today. His writing is special only because there wasn't anything else like it.
It seems yk of the books and can tell me things. I loved the movie I thought it was awesome, I didn't read the book so I didn't have any gripes with changes since I don't know what is. But There's one thing im confused about in the lore, Are kwisatz haderach and lisan Al gaib the same thing? We know lisan al gaib is basically propaganda from the bene gesserit to ease the control arrakis to whoever the emperor assigns. That's how it's spoken about in the emperors planet and with chani being a sceptic. But at the same time the kwisatz haderach "the one" is something that is true and the bene gesserit believe in and they only of it. So is the seeds planted by the bene gesserit a lie that simply aligns with their belief or are they the same thing. Is it more clear in the book or am I missing something. Obviously I can simply make the connection but the way it's portrayed as a lie but it's also true from the perspective of the characters is a bit confusing. what are the bene gesserit even doing, they're supposed to be the hidden hands of the emperor so the lisan Al gaib propaganda helps the emperor but at the same time. They have this belief of The one behind it, is it just a tight plan that connects both their plans. Sorry for yapping
Are you guys sure that you guys thinks and feels that this movie is great because it is great OR because you guys had been watching so many crappy movie for the longest time and any NORMAL movie would have been impressive to you guys?
Thank you Chris for directing me towards the Spicediver Dune cut!! I really appreciate your niche knowledge about stuff like that, cant wait to dig in to that.
Just got back from a very late showing. Theater was full. Everyone seemed to actually enjoy it. Saw lots of people sitting forward in their seats. Is it the two towers... fu*k no. Is it Empire... hell no. Is it the best flick I have seen in years... Fu*k yes. Chani was the only real issue... after the water of life scene, she should have went full book version.
My main problem with Dune was the amount of sand in the movie. It was too much. I couldn’t believe how much, tons of it, like imagine entire hills of sand. I note there was no warning of this before the movie began, they happily sold me popcorn and a drink but didn’t care, or perhaps conspired to not mention the sheer amount of sand that I was about to be exposed to on the big screen. After they carried me out screaming I spoke to the manager about putting a warning on the tickets. biggest shock I’ve had since I watched water world.
The Superman suit was created at the time of circus strong men, who wore briefs, much like modern WWE wrestlers. The Superman suit WITHOUT the briefs looks unbalanced, both on the page and on the screen. The other thing that they need is the S on the cape.
First to get dune, its so dense. You really need to read it then listen to it in audiobook then reread it again. Then you will get dune. Layers within layers. Plans within plans. An ya, she was water fat. She should of been very lean wirery. All of them should be. They live on drops of water. With recycling. They should look a little guant.
@@roaringsteelmedia just look at it like a stage play that just happened to be filmed like a movie, it is the most faithful adaptation so far and the actress who plays Irulan was 10x hotter than Florence Puke
@@aakusterMessiah and Children were shorter and more fast paced,presumably to set everything up for God Emperor and Leto II's unnaturally long reign. Ironically I reread God Emperor recently,which is unusual since the last three novels are my least favorite,but I found nuances and interactions that I seem to have overlooked the first time I read it;it made me view the story in a completely different light. As for Heretics and Chapterhouse well,there's a popular theory that as sci-fi writers get older they turn into dirty old men with sex on the brain,and that's totally verifiable for the last two Dune novels that Herbert wrote before he died;two ther great examples that I can think of offhand are Robert A. Heinlein and Phillip Jose Farmer. That being said,most sci-fi has a certain "weird" element to it, it's just part of the genre.
@@aakuster I guess in a way he became a lot like Doctor Manhattan A God who no longer could relate to humanity. Been a long time since I read the books (high school reading assignments when books were fun to read). The first one stood out so much because I had seen the movie first and I was blown away by the book over the movie (1984) . Literally no comparison.
@cdmarshall7448 I've read every Dune book, and while I feel the later ones are not as good. I appreciate Herbert not just doing the same thing over and over. So i appreciate God Emperor's creativity and novelty.
Man, I love watching these guys. It's become a weekly routine for me now. Haven't heard of Nerd Cookies before, and I'm looking forward to checking out her channel!
Thanks to Chris for info about the fanedit of Lynch's Dune - I was planning a rewatch of that to compare so will definitely check that version out instead.
The Dune changes from the book really pissed me off but I know I'm in the minority. Also they pronounce Chani's name wrong the whole time and it made me so angry 😡
If Denis Villeneuve don't like dialogues, he should work with Genddy Tartakovsky. The guy is masterclass in dialogueless story telling even though its cartoons.
From what I'm gathering, Dune 2 seems like a movie that people will like for a couple weeks, maybe even a month or so, but then after that, everyone will turn their backs on it. I'm hearing more complaining for this movie than appraisals while people still say it's a good movie. That's usually the sign that people will be dropping the movie once they have time to reflect on it.
I just realized I think I've seen more FNT's now than ST:TNG, it had 7 seasons, but how many episodes is that vs. a Weekly show for the past 8 years?? I'll take memories of this over anything from TV.
2:32:12 Hot take: The X-Men were always an awful allegory for bigotry. A black or gay person cannot eradicate an entire small town, simply by hitting puberty.
At its height yes. But towards the end of the 70s a lot of prog was bloated, unlistenable nonsense, with Emerson, Lake & Palmer, or a lot of Rick Wakeman's stuff.
Liked Dune part 2 but the whole “the southern Fremen are the crazy religious ones” was straight up modern hollywood taking a pot shot at “bible thumping southerners” . Not at all in the book either
Thing is, in a propaganda battle between Woke modern Hollywood and the backwards arab fundamentalists, people are ALOT more sympathetic to the religious brown people than Hollywood thinks. People would side with Jihadis over Progressives ANY day of the week.
They think they are taking a pot shot but in reality it’s a compliment. Only they are too stupid and up their own ass that they don’t understand that fact.
Here's an actual text conversation I had with my brother, who is excited to see Dune 2 with me: Me: "Here's that popcorn bucket." Bro: "LMAO" 🤣🤣🤣"Best not make it any smaller" Me: "I know right LOL" Bro: "Does it come with lube?" Me: "No but can ask for extra butter" Bro: 🤣🤣🤣
The reason anybody is confused about Chani’s emotional state at the end of the film is the fault of the actor. Zendaya has the range of a broken water pistol.
Couldn't bring myself to waste my time on the first movie for that exact reason. Even if the second movie is "better" than the first, I'll just read the books. Fact: Zendaya is such a bad actor that she can make an American read a book over watching a movie. 😂
Dune is a fascinating world, but the casting and story changes make it hard to get excited to go see. Zenbraya has all the acting range and screen presence of a shat diaper.
I am surprised that the panel, who is quite sensitive to this stuff, missed what hit me like a ton of woke bricks. First, every single fremen is a POC. Every Harkonen is as pasty white as possible. Every Sardukar looked like a southern bearded hillbilly. Chani, who loves, adores and half worships Paul is his biggest skeptic and critic. Because she needs to be her own woman instead of a follower. Paul, the white savior and dude starting colonialism, comes across as power hungry, petulant and whiney. Chani leaves angry instead of standing by her man. Paul lets her go instead of professing his love and stating he will never leave her side. Paul’s mom is downright evil and tricks him into drinking, instead of being surprised and horrified that he tried it. This movie REALLY pissed me off. The director made the ending he wanted, not what the source material was. Brutal.
I don't know why but I liked the 1980s Dune and this one has left me cold. I can see this one was well made but I was not involved. The 80s one felt more inspiring and emotional to me esp. when Paul got his powers and when people were using their psychic powers. Maybe it's a consequences of the times where directors nowadays are more clinical and cold. I also prefered the aestetics of the 80s and the music. There were stricking images like the big alien creature in the box or the big fat man flying in the sky with the disgusting black liquid spilling from him. It was more operatic. It hit more the imagination than this one.
I like both. But I can actually remember individual scenes and lines from the 80s version, whereas the new one is somehow much blander and forgettable. Part 2 might be better.
The 80's one had actual production design instead of constant empty spaces. Denis' visuals are severely overrated. "WOW, this sparse empty room looks amazing!"
The production values in Dune part 1 were good, but I thought the story wasn't as good as it should have been. Even though the production value of the 2000 Dune miniseries wasn't great, I remember liking that story much better. It supposedly was very close to the books.
I'd say you should read the first book. The movie captured the tone and feel of the book. I loved the movie through and through, even thought it leaves some events out. The series covers a lot more material. It even shows events from the third book, which is very wierd. For most of the story, you have to read between the lines, and draw a deeper conclusion than simply what events happen on screen.
It's so funny that normies can't grasp the idea that nerds will argue, dissect, and analyse EVERYTHING. Even the series/movies we absolutely love. I LOVE Stargate. LOVE IT. But I'm also happy to discuss it shortcomings with anyone who asks. This is what fandom had always been before the woke virus infected the population. We could see both the good and bad in our favourite tv shows and movies and respectfully disagree with one another.
I totally disagree that the idea of interconnectedness is a downside. Movies being interconnected is only a downside when they're weighing down good movies with connections to bad movies. Back in Marvel Phase 1/2/3 I just wish they would have doubled down on making movies interconnected.
Exactly all you need is a self contained story then name drop another character or do an end credit scene no need to actually set up anything about that film.
It may sound like the panel is nitpicking on Dune 2, but it's only because it's such a great film that when there are parts that fall short, they stand out. It's an amazing experience and worth seeing on a big screen.
Duncan Idaho did a great job in the books, acting like Mamoa. >.> seriously the only reason I'd ever say "thank goodness the director is stopping after Messiah" is so I dont have to see every iteration of Duncan Idaho in the grand story just be more Mamoa. No.
Everybody is trashing on David Lynch's Dune, ''Uh... he changed that, he left out this...''. Lynch was forced by producer Dino DeLaurentis to cram the entire book into a 2 hrs movie and had to cut out lots of stuff. Despite all this, his movie is way more faithful to the book, than Villeneuve's adaptation, who had complete creative freedom & 2 entire movies, to tell Herbert's story proper. Instead he wasted a good chunk of the runtime on showing Zendaya, strutting through the desert like it's a commercial for a new fragrance, he left out or changed crucial plot points and he wasted his great cast. I mean, did he drugged all actors before filming or why the frakk do they all perform their roles with absolutely zero emotion? The only 2 actors who actually emote in these movies are Austin Butler & Jason Momoa in the first one. I also absolutely hate how they portray the Harkonnen as some sort of genetic mutant freaks here, specially Feyd. In the book, they´re normal humans, Feyd is even described as the "perfect male specimen", so he should look like an ancient Greek god or something. Instead, Villeneuve turned them into genetic freaks, because they´re the bad guys and modern movie audiences are too dumb to grasp that if they don´t actually look like hideous monsters.
The Lynch version is great, but its the least accurate to the books of all the film adaptations (the miniseries is the closest). e.g. The voice modulator weapons were totally made up and never in the books. The movie was done as a standard Hero's Journey with none of the "Dangers of following powerful figures" theme included. I don't get why you say the Harkonnen are portrayed as genetic freaks. They looked like normal humans that had shaved their hair off to me (Which I assumed was because of the oppressive nature of Harkonnen rule forbidding personal expression). Their skin was pale but that was likely because of their different sun. Feyd's teeth I thought were some sort of cosmetic dentistry to make him look intimidating - or possibly related to cannibalism since his "Harpies" had the same thing. Rabban is just a normal buff man. The Baron is a normal human, he just needs a life support system because of how he mistreats his body. I don't recall what he's supposed to be bathing in, but I think its related to keeping him alive and probably laden with spice.
Just catching the replay, and I agree with Jeremy so far: like it, not overwhelmed at all, and the first movie was more “cinematic” and gorgeous to look at. I have more to say, but haven’t watched enough of FNT yet!
Gary I know that you were maybe joking around but never tell a guy to marry the girl he just met in class and wanted to ask her out, that was literally dogs**t advice you gave to one of your subscribers that asked that question.
With Rippa launching another book maybe FNT can tell us why they like it. Your reviews might prompt a newbie to jump in and buy if they are on the fence. JMO.
I like Gary's analogy about Dune being like prog rock from the 90s. The movie remind me of a band like Tool - a dark band that plays 13 minute songs but if you can lock in with their groove they take you on an incredible ride.
3:07:50 Ryan with that low-key back-handed compliment was hilarious. I could imagine somebody saying "...and that's why it's called a 'sunrise' and a 'sunset" and Ryan responding "yeah that just about 'Suns' it up."
There is a difference between a book and a movie. Part of the work is lifting a story into a different medium. If it was 1:1 the book it would not be cinematic and not be art. Art is perspective.
Of course. But Denis made some IMO bad choices like taking forever with the finding the atomics scene, which could’ve been spent on key aspects of the story that were left out, and as a result made the story more 1 dimensional. Like the Harkonnens; they were made more like bumbling clowns due to choices made with Rey adaptation. I also don’t need to spend so long with the attacking the spice crawler scene
You both sound like tourists. They've been around for a while now. They understand this job a lot better now and they're just trying to be entertaining while keeping their shows in check. I don't get any bad vibes from them and almost every stream they thank us for supporting them like we do.
@@dagger0374 i didn't say he's a bad man or anything. I still watch his streams. Just he's much louder than he used to be. Great for him.. not for my ears. No biggie. I too have been watching for years. Tourist?
I wonder how significant the change from the Dune book in the move where the noble houses reject the ascension is. Maybe they won’t have a time skip and have an original plot where the other noble houses plot against Paul and Chani comes back at some point.
I just watched Dune pt2 and was very disappointed. As a lover of the book, (having read it over ten times), I had trouble with Chani being a sceptic and not a priestess. There was no Spice Orgy after the changing of the Water of Life. Paul didn't inherit Jamis's family. Chani didn't give birth to Leto II and the changing of the motivation behind the final knife fight. These are things that bugged me, even though it was a well made and clinicalally stunning movie.
Seriously, as an old man, that animation in the beginning of everyone standing around the comic shop talking is what it use to be like pre internet, I miss those days in a way, but in these dark times, being able to keep sane by talking to people across the world who see through the crazy is invaluable and it gives me some hope for the future.
Fines and fees, playing by the rules in most cases, you would pay the price, like the flying car incident. If you ignore the rules, you could take and make whatever.
The X-Men Argument is in my top 3 list of of examples for why every fandom should gatekeep their fandom like Spartans guarding the gate to Helm's deep.
By gatekeeping it you are basically doing the same as the Mary Sue does in this article and go against what the panel says about X-men, it is for everyone who feels excluded. It is not for you to decide how someone wants to read and interpret a work of art as is is neither for the Mary Sue or anyone else.
@@caesarjergens that is a bunch of hogwash. ppl that want to celebrate the thing as it is are welcome. ppl who want to subvert and change it need to be stopped at the door! that is what gatekeeping means.
"PROTECT THE BOOK!!!"
- King Arthur -
'Army Of Darkness'
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@@caesarjergens shame and exclude anyone who demands changes to established characters or lore for reasons beyond fixing plot holes include everyone that wants to appreciate what X-Men is about. That's how you gatekeep.
Protect the source material and the actual fans at all cost. Who cares about the pretenders? They'll just go to somewhere else and complain and attempt to destroy another IP.
“I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health." One of the most dangerous presidents we had in this century was John Kennedy because people said "Yes Sir Mr. Charismatic Leader what do we do next?" and we wound up in Vietnam. And I think probably the most valuable president of this century was Richard Nixon. Because he taught us to distrust government and he did it by example.” - Frank Herbert
It annoys me when people hate on Kennedy. He was one of the two reasons we aren't all extinct. The other reason was Khrushchev.
@@TheSlammuraiyou had me in the second sentence, but the 3rd makes it make sense
All the people he could've picked and it was Kennedy? 😂
Nixon was a great president. Too bad it's the good ones who leave office and not the terrible ones. Recall, someone in his campaign spied on the opposition, HE HIMSELF DIDN'T but took the fall. Obama blatantly iretappedway umptray and nothing happened to him, idenbay took ibesbray and nothing happened to him.
@@TheSlammuraiIt's politics, people are not "hAtErZ" ffs and that's a quote presumably by Dune's author, have some respect.
we need WAY more of that "one day at the comicbook store" thats just printing money :D
He should do a weekly video series, "Tales from the Comicbook Store."
I never understood why the Weaseley's in Harry Potter were poor. They have magic. They could fix their clothing and house, probably grow more food, everything a family needs. They should be wizard poor but muggle rich.
there were so many moments like that for me when i read the books, but the story is good enough i just shrug it off. magic has infinite possibilities, and humans cant think of everything.
@@brandonhainstock2928 Remember it was a series written for children. While I often think, in the US, children's stories are underestimating the intelligence of kids, explaining why the Weasley's would be poor probably isn't a question a 10 year old would care to ask. They were poor to make them underdogs and allow children to identify with and root for, offering an explanation of their economic status wasin't necessary since a child wouldn't question it.
Adults enjoyed the series but it wasn't written for us so certain elements would seem unjustified and simplistic to an adult.
I think they just lived honestly and true to themselves
But I did often wonder why Harry didn't find a way to give them some of his fortune - anonymously of course
I'm just here to say that I agree completely, and I'm also a Liberal lefty.
I was never into the deep Potter lore, but I always just assumed the magic realm had some kind of fixed caste system, and you weren’t allowed to present above your station. Made sense to me considering the author’s nationhood, and the fact she spent time laying out the family trees for characters.
I gave up on X-Men comics when the story line centered around radical Christians blowing up school buses of mutants, while the Islamic mutant was calling for peace. This was less than a decade after 9/11 when thousands of people around the world were dying from Islamic terror each year.
I stopped reading when they made the Big Bad Magneto Jewish.
This is a joke about how stupid you are.
Religion as a whole is the problem.
Jews in Israel aren't doing amazing things at the moment.
American conservative protestants are the biggest supporters of Israel for religious reasons, while they are also taking away women's rights in the US at the same time.
Arguably, America killed hundreds of thousands of people invading 3 countries in the Middle East and North Africa back then.
Is that not worse? A state funding murder of that scale, versus barbaric lunatics convincing a dozen guys to fly a plane into buildings?
Gary’s Geeks really needs to be an ongoing thing. Man the possibilities. That would an awesome show
Nerd Cookies earning some real cred with that Dune miniseries talk. You know who lives it.
Chrisse's zingers sometimes go criminally misunderstood. xD
No, they're just not that good.
Yeah. She's so funny. I'm glad that she keeps on going even if the panels doesn't acknowledge them.
“Wow….”. As she says. A lot.
In the book, the Freemen did not have lasers. They were hunted with lasers because they didn't have shields. The Sardakar, the most deadly known soldiers in the Dune Universe, went to the south to investigate. The only Freemen in the south were the old, the women and the children. The Sardakar were fighting with them and desperately used there crafts rockets as flame throwers to escape. That is how bad ass the Freemen are in the book. Alia allowed herself to be captured because she didn't want to face Paul to tell him Leto II was killed by the Sardakar. Her scene close to the end of the book was funny, telling 'Shaddam' to scare the Baron more.
oh I forgot... it makes it weird they cut out Alia and Paul/Chani's child. It was something that bonded them together...
@rds4629 and because of this comment, I'm glad Villanueve ignored the book for many parts...... Herbert wrote a book in a time where no one was used to film like we are today. His writing is special only because there wasn't anything else like it.
It seems yk of the books and can tell me things. I loved the movie I thought it was awesome, I didn't read the book so I didn't have any gripes with changes since I don't know what is.
But There's one thing im confused about in the lore, Are kwisatz haderach and lisan Al gaib the same thing? We know lisan al gaib is basically propaganda from the bene gesserit to ease the control arrakis to whoever the emperor assigns. That's how it's spoken about in the emperors planet and with chani being a sceptic. But at the same time the kwisatz haderach "the one" is something that is true and the bene gesserit believe in and they only of it. So is the seeds planted by the bene gesserit a lie that simply aligns with their belief or are they the same thing. Is it more clear in the book or am I missing something.
Obviously I can simply make the connection but the way it's portrayed as a lie but it's also true from the perspective of the characters is a bit confusing.
what are the bene gesserit even doing, they're supposed to be the hidden hands of the emperor so the lisan Al gaib propaganda helps the emperor but at the same time. They have this belief of The one behind it, is it just a tight plan that connects both their plans. Sorry for yapping
Comix's comment about Karen Harkonnen should have got more attention. It's his best contribution ever.
The little ... cartoon in the beginning 😂 priceless
Are you guys sure that you guys thinks and feels that this movie is great because it is great OR because you guys had been watching so many crappy movie for the longest time and any NORMAL movie would have been impressive to you guys?
Thank you Chris for directing me towards the Spicediver Dune cut!! I really appreciate your niche knowledge about stuff like that, cant wait to dig in to that.
Zendaya played a noo Yawkah in the desert.
LMAOOOO never seen that spelling before 😭😭😭
I'm glad to see Chrissie Mayr here!! .... stand your ground! never back down!!!
Ngl she is miserable on these though
She's heavily pregnant, she's probably uncomfortable sitting in the same position for so long. But that's just an old granny's opinion.
Just got back from a very late showing. Theater was full. Everyone seemed to actually enjoy it. Saw lots of people sitting forward in their seats. Is it the two towers... fu*k no. Is it Empire... hell no. Is it the best flick I have seen in years... Fu*k yes. Chani was the only real issue... after the water of life scene, she should have went full book version.
My main problem with Dune was the amount of sand in the movie. It was too much. I couldn’t believe how much, tons of it, like imagine entire hills of sand. I note there was no warning of this before the movie began, they happily sold me popcorn and a drink but didn’t care, or perhaps conspired to not mention the sheer amount of sand that I was about to be exposed to on the big screen. After they carried me out screaming I spoke to the manager about putting a warning on the tickets. biggest shock I’ve had since I watched water world.
I don’t like sand. It’s course, it’s rough, it’s irritating, and it gets everywhere.
lol
Okay you jerk, here's your "Like" for rounding it out with the Waterworld line. That one got me, lol.
Better avoid any of the Mad Max movies, they're also overloaded with Sand. I can't believe people still make movies like this these days.
Maybe air is more your style. Have you seen Twister?
The Superman suit was created at the time of circus strong men, who wore briefs, much like modern WWE wrestlers. The Superman suit WITHOUT the briefs looks unbalanced, both on the page and on the screen. The other thing that they need is the S on the cape.
It IS an S.
@@sup3414 thanks
Agreed, it helps break up the suit and give it more detail than just a skin tight onesie
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There's been countless fan designs that have made it work without the trunks.
@@lucascoval828If they worked so well, why were they never adopted 😉. 80 years later and we're still going back to them.
First to get dune, its so dense. You really need to read it then listen to it in audiobook then reread it again.
Then you will get dune. Layers within layers. Plans within plans.
An ya, she was water fat. She should of been very lean wirery. All of them should be. They live on drops of water. With recycling. They should look a little guant.
Nerd Cookies is right. The TV miniseries is the best adaption so far.
@@roaringsteelmedia just look at it like a stage play that just happened to be filmed like a movie, it is the most faithful adaptation so far and the actress who plays Irulan was 10x hotter than Florence Puke
So, what happened to Chrissie’s attacker? Shouldn’t he have gotten 5hot in an alley or at least beat up… I mean it is New York City isn’t it?
New York City is an endless abyss of crime. Not surprised that such a crime can go unpunished.
Rick Moranis and Chrissie have something in common now
Step 1: hire Scott Stevens.
He will establish a neutral zone that won’t been impeded.
Just ask the Anaheim Ducks.
Paul Kariya on line one.
Dune the book was fantastic. The 1st book alone could span 3 movies. Things got a little weird in the further novels.
What's wrong with weird?
@@aakusterMessiah and Children were shorter and more fast paced,presumably to set everything up for God Emperor and Leto II's unnaturally long reign. Ironically I reread God Emperor recently,which is unusual since the last three novels are my least favorite,but I found nuances and interactions that I seem to have overlooked the first time I read it;it made me view the story in a completely different light. As for Heretics and Chapterhouse well,there's a popular theory that as sci-fi writers get older they turn into dirty old men with sex on the brain,and that's totally verifiable for the last two Dune novels that Herbert wrote before he died;two ther great examples that I can think of offhand are Robert A. Heinlein and Phillip Jose Farmer. That being said,most sci-fi has a certain "weird" element to it,
it's just part of the genre.
@@aakuster I guess in a way he became a lot like Doctor Manhattan A God who no longer could relate to humanity. Been a long time since I read the books (high school reading assignments when books were fun to read).
The first one stood out so much because I had seen the movie first and I was blown away by the book over the movie (1984) . Literally no comparison.
@cdmarshall7448 I've read every Dune book, and while I feel the later ones are not as good. I appreciate Herbert not just doing the same thing over and over. So i appreciate God Emperor's creativity and novelty.
I heard the Brian Herbert novels are awful.
Man, I love watching these guys. It's become a weekly routine for me now. Haven't heard of Nerd Cookies before, and I'm looking forward to checking out her channel!
great choice. welcome to the fellowship! Hail!
Dune the tv extended cut is the best version off Dune 1984!!! Less of the Baron, who in my opinion was the main reason Dune 1984 failed!
Ok, Garrett saying “You can’t fight a spider.” in that tone was the peak of this episode for me. 🤣
HAIL to all, and especially Nerd Cookies!
Thanks to Chris for info about the fanedit of Lynch's Dune - I was planning a rewatch of that to compare so will definitely check that version out instead.
What was it called?
The spicediver cut
It's on RUclips.
The Dune changes from the book really pissed me off but I know I'm in the minority. Also they pronounce Chani's name wrong the whole time and it made me so angry 😡
Ikr? Plus Gary keeps pronouncing Alia's name wrong,it's not pronounced like the dead singer's name. 🙄
Nerd Cookies rocks!
If Denis Villeneuve don't like dialogues, he should work with Genddy Tartakovsky. The guy is masterclass in dialogueless story telling even though its cartoons.
From what I'm gathering, Dune 2 seems like a movie that people will like for a couple weeks, maybe even a month or so, but then after that, everyone will turn their backs on it. I'm hearing more complaining for this movie than appraisals while people still say it's a good movie. That's usually the sign that people will be dropping the movie once they have time to reflect on it.
I swear if lotr came out today it would be the same and after a month people would be calling them mid. I'm 100% sure of it
I just realized I think I've seen more FNT's now than ST:TNG, it had 7 seasons, but how many episodes is that vs. a Weekly show for the past 8 years?? I'll take memories of this over anything from TV.
Christ it has been that long? Good on the team for the effort.
2:32:12 Hot take: The X-Men were always an awful allegory for bigotry.
A black or gay person cannot eradicate an entire small town, simply by hitting puberty.
Prog rock is awesome. Rush, Yes, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Genesis with Peter Gabriel, Uriah Heep. Some of the best music ever created.
prog rock is generally a catch all for experimenta until a genre is created for the stylel. Also don't forget metalica's St. Anger album.
You forgot IQ, Eloy, Pendragon, Murillion, Saga, Pallas..........
Prog rock IS the shiznik
@@sss.8150 Good call on Marillion. I haven't heard the other bands.
@@vagabondwastrel2361 Everybody is still trying to forget Metallica's St Anger album
At its height yes. But towards the end of the 70s a lot of prog was bloated, unlistenable nonsense, with Emerson, Lake & Palmer, or a lot of Rick Wakeman's stuff.
If you're like me and your eyes glaze over when people talk about Dune, 1:17:07 is the next topic in the stream.
Also, Shad is absolutely wrong, Superman needs trunks.
Christ On A bike. 🙄 Oh well,guess I'll just leave it on as background noise,while I peruse articles in The Rifter. 🤷♂️
Thank you, thank you!
Yep.
Fast forward
No one cares, mate. Don't watch the show live next time.
Liked Dune part 2 but the whole “the southern Fremen are the crazy religious ones” was straight up modern hollywood taking a pot shot at “bible thumping southerners” . Not at all in the book either
I'd rather be with bible thumpers than the alphabet mafia degenrates who want to date your kids or make them gay!
Thing is, in a propaganda battle between Woke modern Hollywood and the backwards arab fundamentalists, people are ALOT more sympathetic to the religious brown people than Hollywood thinks. People would side with Jihadis over Progressives ANY day of the week.
They think they are taking a pot shot but in reality it’s a compliment. Only they are too stupid and up their own ass that they don’t understand that fact.
You have some sort of deragment syndrome. Also if anything the southerners were right so your point is extra ridicilous.
Brain rot
RUclips removed my Dune review, it had no audio or video from the movie, just a few screenshots and me talking
RUclips is a piece of 💩
Oook
@@protestant3207 they rejected 2 of my appeals and now they are talking to me on Twitter and said they might give me an answer in a few days
i did @@protestant3207
Here's an actual text conversation I had with my brother, who is excited to see Dune 2 with me:
Me: "Here's that popcorn bucket."
Bro: "LMAO" 🤣🤣🤣"Best not make it any smaller"
Me: "I know right LOL"
Bro: "Does it come with lube?"
Me: "No but can ask for extra butter"
Bro: 🤣🤣🤣
The reason anybody is confused about Chani’s emotional state at the end of the film is the fault of the actor.
Zendaya has the range of a broken water pistol.
Couldn't bring myself to waste my time on the first movie for that exact reason. Even if the second movie is "better" than the first, I'll just read the books. Fact: Zendaya is such a bad actor that she can make an American read a book over watching a movie. 😂
Are you an idiot? Don't answer that. The answer is yes.
Dune is a fascinating world, but the casting and story changes make it hard to get excited to go see. Zenbraya has all the acting range and screen presence of a shat diaper.
I've dealt with plenty of diapers and found them more appealing than her tbh
I didn't like them making Chani so sullen. She wasn't sullen in the book.
exactly but what do u expect when a actress like zendaya is playing her lol she only knows one expression
@@oleblackI’m not familiar with the lore but it was very off putting for me. I was thinking often, what is this brat’s problem?
Decided to rewatch Dune (2021) and give it a second chance. It’s a competently made film but I just find it boring.
Which bit. There's a lot going on
In 2024 one should be thankful if their only complaint is a film being boring. It does get a lot worse than that
Which is fair honestly Dune does better as a series where you can pace the dialogue out with action so you can absorb what has been said.
It's hot garbage. It fails across the board of just being bland.
Same
I am surprised that the panel, who is quite sensitive to this stuff, missed what hit me like a ton of woke bricks. First, every single fremen is a POC. Every Harkonen is as pasty white as possible. Every Sardukar looked like a southern bearded hillbilly. Chani, who loves, adores and half worships Paul is his biggest skeptic and critic. Because she needs to be her own woman instead of a follower. Paul, the white savior and dude starting colonialism, comes across as power hungry, petulant and whiney. Chani leaves angry instead of standing by her man. Paul lets her go instead of professing his love and stating he will never leave her side. Paul’s mom is downright evil and tricks him into drinking, instead of being surprised and horrified that he tried it. This movie REALLY pissed me off. The director made the ending he wanted, not what the source material was. Brutal.
Insightful take. I haven’t seen it, but your critique sounds legit and painfully ‘modern times’. Interesting that wasn’t addressed.
DUNE 2 FNT Review in a ball-sack:
Nerdrotic: - Knows nothing. Never read the books.
Dday: - Maybe knows a little.
AZ: - "Also yeah latah innit yeah bruv like wut"
Ryan: - Stfu noob.
Shad: - ... ...
Chris Gore: - Knows alot.
Nerd Cookies: - KNOWS ALOT x2 MASSIVE RESPECT
Comix; - "Hm. Yeah."
Garrett: - Just keepin it chill.
Chrissie: - "I'm Pregnant!"
This is why I love this channel. Good content always
He labeled Caladan, Dune, Salusa Secundus and Giedi Prime. They show the emperor and Irulan, obviously on Kaitain, but don't tell us.
Dune should be a TV series, not a movie.
Yep. no matter the translation to the big screen, it seems like they will never get it right.
I don't know why but I liked the 1980s Dune and this one has left me cold. I can see this one was well made but I was not involved. The 80s one felt more inspiring and emotional to me esp. when Paul got his powers and when people were using their psychic powers. Maybe it's a consequences of the times where directors nowadays are more clinical and cold. I also prefered the aestetics of the 80s and the music. There were stricking images like the big alien creature in the box or the big fat man flying in the sky with the disgusting black liquid spilling from him. It was more operatic. It hit more the imagination than this one.
I like both. But I can actually remember individual scenes and lines from the 80s version, whereas the new one is somehow much blander and forgettable. Part 2 might be better.
@@GaudiaCertaminisGaming IKR? we remember the images of the 80s one more. like it's more memorable.
The 80's one had actual production design instead of constant empty spaces. Denis' visuals are severely overrated. "WOW, this sparse empty room looks amazing!"
@@PanzerblitzRnR Completely agree, yea.
That animation piece was dope. Would love to see more of them ♥️
@34:40
Chrissie being Queen B 😂
54:52 Thats because he sees them as outsiders and doesn't think Paul is the Muad'Dib yet vs the time he spent with him in this movie being 6 months+
AZ sounds so much gheyer in cartoon form
Brandon Sanderson did a better job slowly and subtlety connecting the Cosmere than any of these Hollywood hacks could ever dream of.
The production values in Dune part 1 were good, but I thought the story wasn't as good as it should have been. Even though the production value of the 2000 Dune miniseries wasn't great, I remember liking that story much better. It supposedly was very close to the books.
I'd say you should read the first book. The movie captured the tone and feel of the book. I loved the movie through and through, even thought it leaves some events out.
The series covers a lot more material. It even shows events from the third book, which is very wierd.
For most of the story, you have to read between the lines, and draw a deeper conclusion than simply what events happen on screen.
Villeneuve has left out so much stuff from the book or changed it for the worse.
@@doublep1980about 50-60 percent of the book is missing from a 5 hour+ double feature. Can you believe it?!
I did not like the changes Denis made to the story. I wanted to see Hasmir Fenring and the ending was crap.
I agree. Zendaya is highly overrated. She is a sub par actress and take off the makeup bahahahahahha
Gary: "Don't do drugs, mmmkayy." 😄
The cartoon was great!
It's so funny that normies can't grasp the idea that nerds will argue, dissect, and analyse EVERYTHING. Even the series/movies we absolutely love. I LOVE Stargate. LOVE IT. But I'm also happy to discuss it shortcomings with anyone who asks.
This is what fandom had always been before the woke virus infected the population. We could see both the good and bad in our favourite tv shows and movies and respectfully disagree with one another.
The undies over the tights convo why didn't anyone point out the fact his undies also have a belt.
Dune is missing the "magic" of the books. Good but sterile.
Lynch Version: also....The Toto / Brian Eno Soundtrack / score to DUNE is fantastic!
I totally disagree that the idea of interconnectedness is a downside.
Movies being interconnected is only a downside when they're weighing down good movies with connections to bad movies.
Back in Marvel Phase 1/2/3 I just wish they would have doubled down on making movies interconnected.
Exactly all you need is a self contained story then name drop another character or do an end credit scene no need to actually set up anything about that film.
That animation might have been the best thing ive ever seen.
It may sound like the panel is nitpicking on Dune 2, but it's only because it's such a great film that when there are parts that fall short, they stand out. It's an amazing experience and worth seeing on a big screen.
No no it's trash it's not even a little good it's not true to the books it's not true to the characters
@@NoGoogle-m3s this is a bot.
Duncan Idaho did a great job in the books, acting like Mamoa. >.> seriously the only reason I'd ever say "thank goodness the director is stopping after Messiah" is so I dont have to see every iteration of Duncan Idaho in the grand story just be more Mamoa. No.
Everybody is trashing on David Lynch's Dune, ''Uh... he changed that, he left out this...''.
Lynch was forced by producer Dino DeLaurentis to cram the entire book into a 2 hrs movie and had to cut out lots of stuff.
Despite all this, his movie is way more faithful to the book, than Villeneuve's adaptation, who had complete creative freedom & 2 entire movies, to tell Herbert's story proper.
Instead he wasted a good chunk of the runtime on showing Zendaya, strutting through the desert like it's a commercial for a new fragrance, he left out or changed crucial plot points and he wasted his great cast. I mean, did he drugged all actors before filming or why the frakk do they all perform their roles with absolutely zero emotion?
The only 2 actors who actually emote in these movies are Austin Butler & Jason Momoa in the first one.
I also absolutely hate how they portray the Harkonnen as some sort of genetic mutant freaks here, specially Feyd.
In the book, they´re normal humans, Feyd is even described as the "perfect male specimen", so he should look like an ancient Greek god or something. Instead, Villeneuve turned them into genetic freaks, because they´re the bad guys and modern movie audiences are too dumb to grasp that if they don´t actually look like hideous monsters.
Couldn’t agree more. Lynch got more into the story and made you feel more for the characters than Denis
The Lynch version is great, but its the least accurate to the books of all the film adaptations (the miniseries is the closest). e.g. The voice modulator weapons were totally made up and never in the books. The movie was done as a standard Hero's Journey with none of the "Dangers of following powerful figures" theme included.
I don't get why you say the Harkonnen are portrayed as genetic freaks. They looked like normal humans that had shaved their hair off to me (Which I assumed was because of the oppressive nature of Harkonnen rule forbidding personal expression). Their skin was pale but that was likely because of their different sun. Feyd's teeth I thought were some sort of cosmetic dentistry to make him look intimidating - or possibly related to cannibalism since his "Harpies" had the same thing. Rabban is just a normal buff man. The Baron is a normal human, he just needs a life support system because of how he mistreats his body. I don't recall what he's supposed to be bathing in, but I think its related to keeping him alive and probably laden with spice.
Just catching the replay, and I agree with Jeremy so far: like it, not overwhelmed at all, and the first movie was more “cinematic” and gorgeous to look at. I have more to say, but haven’t watched enough of FNT yet!
Gary I know that you were maybe joking around but never tell a guy to marry the girl he just met in class and wanted to ask her out, that was literally dogs**t advice you gave to one of your subscribers that asked that question.
I'm not a comics guy so can someone explain why a Superman movie that has so many other characters? Can't we just have a Donner/Reeve like reboot?
Anyone else find Dune part 1 profoundly boring? Beautiful and extremely dull
Ryan carries this show so hard, really need to upgrade the other supporting guests. Would love to see Disparu as a permanent member
Can always count on Az to swoop in and constantly interrupt in the middle of someone telling a story. FUCK!!!!
He couldn't even wait until Ryan finished his sentence to tell everyone about Yaira.
@@TheSlammurai and he kept butting in when Chrissy was sharing some of her stories. It like fuck dude. Shut the fuck up for 5 seconds.
@@TheSlammurai Funny how he's always simping for the Rippaverse yet never talks about the quality of the material.
Lov the show .. u guys have changed my opinions on so much
Az, new is better. I always hated how your logo was offcenter. the toys are better framed
His old setting was always trash. lol But Ryan is pissed cause basically we get used to things. Change is frustrating.
Chrissie Mayr is funny af
With Rippa launching another book maybe FNT can tell us why they like it. Your reviews might prompt a newbie to jump in and buy if they are on the fence. JMO.
They will like it.
@RogerSole2 my aren’t we sensitive. its called an idea for a topic. clearly the only thing you can create are rude comments. have a great day!
@RogerSole2spoken like a true leftist sjw
You're trying to be subtle, yet you're utterly transparent.
@@Whiskey0880 man you guys get to damn triggered by one comment for idea. People like to hear about different things.
Chrissie is off the charts right now
Is anyone actually excited for anything that Gunn is doing at DC?
No.
I’d say morbidly curious in my case.
Nope
Yes, it’ll be far better than the Snyder/Hamadaverse DCEU.
I like Gary's analogy about Dune being like prog rock from the 90s. The movie remind me of a band like Tool - a dark band that plays 13 minute songs but if you can lock in with their groove they take you on an incredible ride.
3:07:50 Ryan with that low-key back-handed compliment was hilarious. I could imagine somebody saying "...and that's why it's called a 'sunrise' and a 'sunset" and Ryan responding "yeah that just about 'Suns' it up."
Every minor issue I had with Dune 2 pales in comparison to how much Zendaya annoyed me.
Just saw it. A lot of scowling from Chani/Zendaya. Great movie otherwise.
Resting Zendaya Face on an IMAX screen is worse than sticking your hand in the Box of Pain.
There is a difference between a book and a movie. Part of the work is lifting a story into a different medium. If it was 1:1 the book it would not be cinematic and not be art. Art is perspective.
Of course. But Denis made some IMO bad choices like taking forever with the finding the atomics scene, which could’ve been spent on key aspects of the story that were left out, and as a result made the story more 1 dimensional. Like the Harkonnens; they were made more like bumbling clowns due to choices made with Rey adaptation.
I also don’t need to spend so long with the attacking the spice crawler scene
Jeremy goes to road houses and drinks Bud Light.
It just feels good to love something this much again..
they kill all the red hair harkonnens and change them to house Ordos (super white and bald)
Nerdrotic got the fame to his head..... hes a Rockstar now.. not a regular dude talking about his interests
Same as Az. Its ironic he calls anyone ugly when he looks like the Spider Baby from Toy Story middle aged. They definitely need an ego check.
You both sound like tourists. They've been around for a while now. They understand this job a lot better now and they're just trying to be entertaining while keeping their shows in check. I don't get any bad vibes from them and almost every stream they thank us for supporting them like we do.
@@dagger0374 i didn't say he's a bad man or anything. I still watch his streams. Just he's much louder than he used to be. Great for him.. not for my ears. No biggie. I too have been watching for years. Tourist?
@@LivingGhost1 haha thats funny and true.
Love when Nerd Cookies speaks everyone goes silent lol
Hail FNT and hail you fellow fellowship member!!!!
shad should pay us for everytime he talks about AI
Turned it off after an hour. Was putting me to sleep
This one is in the top ten of shows for FNT ! Great job, so funny ❤
QBG's fatboy slim reference was underappreciated
Sounds like this should be a streaming series
The only Jared Leto movie i liked was Fight Club, it was nice seeing him getting his face caved in by Edward Norton
I wonder how significant the change from the Dune book in the move where the noble houses reject the ascension is. Maybe they won’t have a time skip and have an original plot where the other noble houses plot against Paul and Chani comes back at some point.
I just watched Dune pt2 and was very disappointed. As a lover of the book, (having read it over ten times), I had trouble with Chani being a sceptic and not a priestess. There was no Spice Orgy after the changing of the Water of Life. Paul didn't inherit Jamis's family. Chani didn't give birth to Leto II and the changing of the motivation behind the final knife fight. These are things that bugged me, even though it was a well made and clinicalally stunning movie.