WandaVision Episode 9 | First Time Watching | MCU Review & Commentary
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Fun fact: the Wikipedia page for Ship of Theseus has intentionally been rewritten enough times to replace every original word. :-)
Talking about meta.
Sesriously?! No way. That is amazing!!!!
Ironic
damn thats awesome
Even words "ship" and "Theseus"?
Sometimes the Lammy jokes at the end are the highlight of these videos... "What's the difference between Dare Devil & Scarlet Witch?.. One knows how to cope without vision" 🤣🤣
Ikr this was exceptionally well done 🎉😂
Lammy's best joke ever, and sickest burn also.
Since I just started watching Daredevil, I was pretty happy about this one!
@@reactswithjax I'm so excited for your Daredevil reaction!!! 😍😄
I’m not sure if Lamby will be able to handle the “subtleties” of Deadpool!! Unless Lamby is ready for some “ear/eye” covering!! 😂😂😂
"Where does one learn these skills?"
At Online Closeup Magic University!
haha..... that's actually absolutely accurate. :)
Of course! I should look into that!
@@reactswithjax (Ant Man & the Wasp...we see Jimmy starting to practice close up magic at his desk after learning about it from Scott, bored from house arrest. Jimmy's flawless card trick at his introduction in this series drew a ton of people online proud of him finally getting the trick down)
There are lots of tutorials out there and it is disturbingly easy to get out of handcuffs. Locks in general can be defeated fairly easily. There's a saying that goes "A lock only keeps honest people out."
@@reactswithjax I think I remember you doing a reaction video of Antman and the Wasp.... THAT'S where Woo became envious of Scott's ability to do "magic" tricks. There's also a scene in one of the episodes of WandaVision when Woo is interrupted, and we can see on his computer screen clearly that he's looking at the same online Magic University that Scott ( Ant-Man ) told him about.
I don't think you realize when White Vision says Neutralize Wanda that he means KILL her.
I did not realize that! I thought he just meant stop the Hex.
WandaVision is a massive trauma study with every couple of episodes exploring a different stages of grief/loss:
Episodes 1&2: Denial
Episodes 3&4: Anger
Episodes 5&6: Bargaining
Episodes 7&8: Depression
Episode 9: Acceptance
Wanda in this series is kind of an unintentional villain. She is so stricken by all of her grief and loss that she unconsciously hurt those around her cause she was drowning and there was barely anyone to bring her back up. The only one who really tried was Monica who empathized with her.
Wanda saying sorry to everyone in that village won't change a thing it's a mute point. They'll never see her viewpoint cause they have no idea what she went through again the only one close who "lost everything" was Monica.
Agatha needed to be imprisoned because she is the reason that Wanda's delusion continued for so long. Remember it was "Agatha all along." Agatha only lives by sucking the life out of others so Wanda imprisoned her so she cannot do that to anyone else.
Wanda never knew her powers, the only one that did or had an inkling was Agatha who told her about the Darkhold which prophesized that the Scarlet Witch is more powerful than the Sorcerer Supreme. So Wanda is using the book to learn, which will have some interesting consequences.
Oh and don't forget in a previous episode, Monica did say "those kids are real."
Again fun ride you were on, can't wait for you to tackle the next MCU series!
Kidnapping and torturing a whole town for weeks on end really requires more than an apology anyway, don't you think? The morality in the show is pretty retarded. 'They'll never know what you sacrificed for them.' gimme a break. She lost some illusionary kids she made up on the spot. What a joke.
That's a great breakdown of the episodes and how they show the different stages of grief.
So it's shit you mean
sounds like sympathy would have been in order
lol what trash is this? Monica can say what she wants- the kids aren't real
The book Wanda was reading in the post-credit scene was Darkhold. book of black magic that corrupts everything and everyone that touches it
Uh oh!
Can I touch it?
Everything that happened started from her subconscious reaction to her pain and grief. She didn't consciously choose to entrap and entire town and it's people. Her conscious mind was in denial of those things when it was confronted at different times, until Agatha's desire for the Scarlet Witch's powers broke that. It's easy to say as an outsider looking in that the townspeople would accept her apology, but after all that time inside, they are thinking like you, that she DID know exactly what she was doing the entire time. No amount of apologizing will make up for that. She's already a villain in their eyes.
As another example, you should watch The Forbidden Planet, as it's another case of what can happen if the unconscious mind is given limitless power in the real world.
“Monsters from the id.”
She rolls credits on Vision after he said 'you can't control me like you do them" and she replies "can't I?". She also froze the hex and expanded it to "rescue" Vision.
She didn't intentionally do this AT THE START but she knew she was in control for a long time.
Yes and no. She might have begun to realize that she is causing things to happen, but even in this episode, she's in denial about her being the cause of it all until her attempt to "silence" the townspeople actually begins to choke them to death and she sees the immediate result of her reaction. That's when she fully realizes the extent of what she has been, and is, doing to the area.
I think people fail to realise just how damaged Wanda has become. At this point she does not want to hurt anyone. Her mind is so fractured that even when she understands it is her doing, she is still hiding in a fantasy that everyone is happy in her made up sitcom world.
If you want to simplify it as two dimensional heroes and villains, then her actions are those of a villain. But looking at it like that is to deny the depth of the character they have created.
It’s the complexity and moral ambiguity that makes WandaVision work so well. And Elizabeth Olsen’s acting, obviously.
Even if you know someone won't accept your apology, you can still offer it.
Dr Strange read while his body slept. Wanda was walking around, making tea and taking in the view. Craziness.
If you believe Agatha's explanation from the last episode, Wanda already had her powers and the mind stone just enhanced them.
Her reaction to monica saying “they’ll never know what you sacrificed for them” was priceless 😂 I love this show, it’s sooo divisive but at the same time a consensus in the fandom that it was one of the best things to come out of the mcu.
Hahaha! It was a great show!! ❤️
I couldn’t wait for it. I knew her reaction was gonna be good 😂 we need a reaction to the pitch meeting!
That line belongs with "Somehow Palpatine returned" or "Martha why did you say that name"? 🤣🤣
Bro that ending was absolute trash. I enjoyed it until the show wants me to actually excuse all the bad shit Wanda did. That is when I began to hate it.
20:01
"So long darling" 💔
I miss Vision 😢
He was such a great character.,..... we haven't heard even a skerick of news about White Vision and his fate..... where IS that guy now?? :P
I hope we see Vision again.
Multiple circling helicopters is normally an indication that the Hulk is on a rampage in your vicinity.
I appreciate the dedication of the world probably ending around her by Jax is just too busy recording :D
That is so true! It must have been the Hulk!!
I’m not a violent or vengeful man, but you come for my kids? Yeah, I’m ok with what she did to Agatha.
Human ethics and morality isn't equipped to deal with the questions of ethical treatment of superpowered individuals. It's not like we can just lock Agatha in a cell on Block D. In the comics, Dr. Strange put The Raft in the Negative Zone, but in the MCU, The Raft is in the Hudson River (or New York Harbor). Agatha is 300-something years old; spending a couple of years as Agnes is a walk in the park AND keeps her out of mischief.
Not her kids.
Philosophy majors everywhere during the Ship of Theseus scene were like “This is our moment!”
"how do we feel about this?" I think one of the most important factors to keep in mind is that she didn't know she was imprisoning a town when she created the Hex, and as soon as Agatha showed her what was actually happening, she started taking the Hex down. We don't have to call her a hero, but we definitely can't say she's 100% villain. Also, I completely understand why she didn't face the townfolk and apologize directly to them, she knew that anything she could say would be insufficient and that they would rather she just go far away.
She seemed to know she was doing it before Agatha. I think Agatha brought her out of her deep denial though. I agree that she's not 100% a villain.
She didn't know, all she knew is that this thing happened after visiting the place Vision had bought for the 2 of them, feeling immense grief and sorrow, and then her powers burst out of her and she was happy with Vision. She believed she was making everyone else happy too after seeing them be not so happy (when she drove into Westview and we saw everyone kinda gloom and gray) it wasn't until Agatha cut their strings and started telling Wanda how much pain they are in that she realized what she was doing and then did try to destroy her world to let everyone escape, but as we saw it was hurting and killing her kids and Vision and had to stop
Overall like Rambo said, Wanda wasn't a victimizer
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Even if we pretend that it was an involuntary "Sneeze" that caused everything, AND screwed with her head to make her accept it, with Agatha "Nudging" her to stay locked into the Fantasy...
Well, that's just removing any Agency, and providing excuses for Shitty behaviour. At the least you can say there were multiple opportunities (Commercials etc) that she chose to ignore. It isn't even like she "Gave up this Mad Idea", freed everyone, apologized and went off to live happily ever after, instead she's just leaving to continue her "Mad Idea" in Private where she won't be bothered by useless Mortals.
At this point she's just a Villain, 100%.
@@lokithecat7225 It's a psychotic break. When that happens, the person is not conscious of reality and in her case, with her powers, she can actually change reality to what she wants to believe it is. And before that, she didn't even know she had that capability, so she was not consciously aware. This doesn't make it OK, but it was not intentional. We don't have to pretend any of that. She needs psychological help, for sure, but she went away from people so she wouldn't be in danger of roping other people in, by accident like before, while she figures out her power. She didn't leave to create another Hex or "continue her Mad Idea," like you said.
@@DayBlueberry-Fcurious….where is the line drawn? If she put her self interests in front of intentionally hurting others? Like you referred to….she had an opportunity to do the “greater good” and free those she imprisoned but when her hexband and hex-kids were not good she stopped.
Opening the handcuffs with the safety pin is a continuation of his pursuit of magic. We saw him learning card tricks in Ant Man and the Wasp, and he did slight of hand to "produce" his business card when he met Monica. That's why he said "flourish", the reason he knew how to do that was completely whimsical, even though the skill came through during a much more dire situation.
That's right!! I forgot he has a passion for magic! I love that they kept that as a part of his character development.
This is why WANDA & JEAN GREY are loved so much by people, they are not just straight forward heroes/characters....they have a lot of ups and downs despite being the strongest in their faction
Don't bring Jean Grey down to MCU Wanda's level.
@@billbill6094 MCU Wanda is above FOX Jean Grey's level... but yeah the comics are far better than the movies
For now. ;-)
@@billbill6094girl pipe down
It's Agatha not Agnes, Agnes was her fake sitcom name
Agatha wasn't really teaching Wanda anything, she was confused and thought that Wanda was doing all of this on her own volition, but didn't realize that Wanda herself had no idea she was a witch, much less the Scarlet Witch. When Agatha brought up the runes originally, she said it in a condescending way of like "how could you make this mistake, you know it works like this" when Wanda knew none of it. Basically Wanda knew she had powers, she just didn't know her role was so significant.
Agatha's not trying to teach her but Wanda was learning from her nonetheless. In the comics, Agatha does teach Wanda. I thought they were trying to make a subtle reference to the comics.
Wanda created life from nothing, which Agatha says in the beginning of the previous episode. The boys are real, which Monica said in episode 5. The ability to spontaneously create life is what makes her so powerful, and why Agatha was so envious.
Also, what other prison would work to keep Agatha in check? Or Wanda, for that matter, someone with the power of a god, and the mind and trauma of a human, how do you imprison her when she has a mental breakdown?
Yes, if you recall in "Doctor Strange" the Ancient One says they borrow energy from other dimensions. Wanda doesn't do that, she just creates things out of thin air which...nobody can do, which is why Agatha said that she's supposed to be a myth. Cuh-RAZY powerful.
they weren't real
The woods.
@@craigimethey're real pls shut ur none marvel comics up
@@Noahsalvatore_1351 they're not. Get therapy
How does everyone else cry at the goodbye and then Jax is all “Yay, what a nice way to end it”. Ugh.
Because she talks over everything and is never engaged in the story.
by "everyone else" you mean babies?
Ship of Theseus is much better represented as a metaphysical thought experiment in the guise of Triggers Broom.
A more simplified version is from, "John Dies at the End," when one guy kills another with an axe, later replaces the handle, then later replaces the bit, then the ghost of the killed guy comes back and claims, "That's the axe that killed me!"
Correction: Olsen should have won an Emmy for this hands down! Amazing performance.
And Scarlet Witch was a villain many times in the comics.
Do a quick summary read of 'House of M' Wanda creates a fake reality complete with twin sons.
Agreed! Everyone praised this performance! 🙌🏼
She did. In 2021she was nominated for best actress in a miniseries, but Kate Winsle won with Mare of Easttown
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Oh awesome thank you, completely forgot that.
Just knew she didn't win.
Winslet is a beast and Mare was good.
Nah
Same kids that she hade with visions in the 1980s that turned out to be manifestations of Mephisto.
The family goodbyes here always get to me. Starts with Vision telling the boys he's proud of them both. Ends with Wanda losing Vision yet again. So long, darling. I'm writing this before I watch, cause I now I'm going to be teary-eyed soon enough.
The Scarlet Witch was just Wanda's codename in the comics. Mainly because of her red hair. Also, in the comics, Agatha was Wanda's mentor in learning true magic as her mutant power was altering probability fields. When Wanda made the comment about Vision being the part of the mind stone that resides in her. It's metaphoric saying that there's a piece of Vision in her heart.
In the comics, this moniker was an accusation shouted by one of the angry mob who witnessed her burned a farmhouse owned by a man who tried to take advantage of her. When another retcon was made on the origin of the Maximoff twins, it was revealed that their biological mother, Natalya Maximoff, and a mentioned grandfather were the first to use the title (Scarlet Witch/Warlock) before her. It came into her mind when she first realized she had powers (This is from Scarlet Witch 2017 comic series). It implies that it is an instinctual title that is inherited by magic wielders of the same bloodline who possess the same hue/color of magical energy (most of the cases), just like:
*Emerald Warlock
*Señor Violetta
*Aoi Master (blue, green or blue-green)
*August Wu of the Coral Shore
Jax is probably one of 10 people that don’t like Wanda after this show 😂😂 everyone else fell more in love with her. She’s never had a bigger fandom than she has had after this show.
I suppose 11. I lost most of my respect for Wanda.
that's bs... there are tons of people who don't like her after this. then there are many like me who never liked her in the first place
You're not supposed to like Wanda as the Scarlet Witch, she's literally a villain...
@@Atlas_Redux Yeah but the problem is the show actually wants us to excuse her crimes against humanity as if she was just misunderstood. "they will never understand what you sacrificed for them". WTF does that even mean? The show doesn't recognize that she is a villain. That makes the ending awful.
I would say my love peaked when she was mopping the floor with Thanos. I could accept what happened in this show because I know how comic book Wanda has been all over the place between hero and villain over the years, but that doesn't mean that I liked her moving in what looked like a more villainous direction. Though I did still like the character after this show. It wasn't until her next MCU appearance that I began to completely dislike the direction they were taking her. But I don't think Jax has watched that yet, so I won't say any more on that subject. :)
Wanda's actions are driven by intense grief. Obviously, she currently does not have the mental stability to consider what she is doing to the town's people. Wanda's story will continue in the next Doctor Strange movie. Also, Wanda is born a mutant with witch powers. Her interaction with the Mind Stone ended up enhancing her abilities. As far as Agnes is concerned, she did try to kill Wanda, so I have no problem with what Wanda did to her.
I loved this show! Definitely one of the best marvel series.
which is a low bar
I really enjoyed your reaction, even if we disagree on some things about Wanda.
When my brother let me read his Marvel Comic collection in the 1970s The Vision quickly became my favorite character. I think they've done a great job portraying him in the MCU as the kind, thoughtful, caring character he is. Like you I immediately recognized that, even with his demise rushing towards him, he said his good-bye in a way that would prepare Wanda to maybe meet White Vision in the future. He truly is worthy to wield Mjolnir.
For Wanda, she did not know what she was doing when she created the hex in the pit of her grief. She thought the people of Westview were being taken care of and was unaware that they experienced her pain and nightmares. Once she recognized what was really going on she began taking steps to make things right, even at the cost of her family. As far as how she handled Agnes/Agatha, how exactly do you punish someone with magical powers? Wanda's solution may not be ideal, but it beats how Wanda herself was treated when she was a prisoner on the Raft in Captain America: Civil War (IIRC she was behind bars, in a straight jacket, and gagged). If her solution keeps Agatha essentially asleep (sleepwalking as Agnes), it could be considered pretty lenient.
Loki killed a lot of people in The Avengers, but a lot of people like him, like Thanos. It doesn't matter if the character is a villain or a hero, if the character is well written and especially if the actor gives his best performance. In any case, your reaction was good, Jax. We are looking forward to the next projects.
17:25 "...Everyone who works in these morally superior government organizations...". Wait, what country do you live in? lol
Hey Jax!😊
My feelings are a little more understanding of Wanda’s situation.
You said that you understood that Wanda wasn’t purposely doing the things she did, but everything else you said didn’t seem like it.
I’m not condoning anything Wanda (accidental or otherwise) did, but you have to remember her backstory and that Hayworth manipulated the situation for Wanda to do these things. While Agatha manipulated Wanda to stay in this villainous state. Both Hayworth and Harkness recognized her grief and played on it. Arguably, if those two hadn’t done what they did, Wanda would have never done what she did or at least wouldn’t have gone as far as she did.
I'm not sure how much Wanda intended to make the town, at first-- it seems initially to have been an explosion of emotion, not fully intentional-- but it's clear that by the time SWORD started trying to get in that she was fully aware of the fact that she had created and was determined to retain her little world.
However, what she did NOT know, or understand, was made clear when the angry crowd surrounded her in this episode. She had no idea she was causing pain to the other people in Westview; she assumed (irrationally, as a state of deep psychological denial, but still) that they were as happy in this cozy, safe, sitcom world as she was. She's visibly horrified when she learns the truth and at once wants to let them go. She balks when she realizes Vision and the twins will vanish along with the Hex, and then she has to deal with Agatha, but as soon as she has time to think she follows through and shuts it down, despite what it will mean for Vision and the twins.
All of this means that in the end, I'm a lot more sympathetic to her than Jax was. I'm sorry for Wanda, and for the guilt now added to her overpowering grief-- guilt she should feel, but still-- rather than angry at her.
Can't wait for the follow-up movie now. I love Wanda.
And don't worry JAX, two characters from this show have already gotten follow-ups so we know what they do next (no spoilers).
And they have plans for four more WandaVision characters. Can you guess who?
That's exciting! I can't wait to see who gets follow up stories!
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We have to remember that when Wanda first transformed Westview and its inhabitants, she didn't do so consciously or intentionally. Her powers simply activated in a moment of despair. Her subsconscious desires shaped the reality inside the hex, but even she didn't know exactly what had happened at first. She became aware of it later, although she did continue the charade after realizing what was going on.
Exactly!
Well, when someone has a psychotic break, you can't just tell them, "What you believe isn't real," and have that sink in immediately. They aren't going to believe you and be in denial, even if what they believe is happening is not what they want to be happening. In this case, she wanted to believe the lie. Plus, in Wanda's case, she didn't even know she was capable of doing all this. So, someone saying that you're changing the world and hurting people, there's no way you'd just believe that. "Surely someone else must've done something 'cause I can't even do anything LIKE that." Then you add on that she wants it to be real, that's gonna take some time and convincing. Agatha was trying to shake her out of her fantasy and eventually it worked, but her subtle attempts weren't doing the trick, so she had to directly intervene and explain the situation to Wanda. Granted, it was for selfish reasons, but she did end up helping the townspeople get free.
She also said she didn’t know how to fix it at one point
we can't just judge how wanda feel cuz we never really experience or feel what it feels like losing everyone you loved literally
She did not get her power from the reality stone. When Agatha makes her way through Wanda’s life, she says to Wanda that you had you powers already when you were a child, she was always a witch, the mind stone only amplified her and her brothers powers.
Agatha will be back in her own Disney+ series.
That's so exciting!
@@reactswithjax The cast list is 👌🏻 seriously
Wanda is what happens when someone that powerful has no support. She is the most child like of the Avengers with an incredible font of power suffering through some extremely dark loneliness and grief with no one to help her. She craved for the pain to end and her powers took over, by the time she realized what she had truly done by accident, she had so much to lose and was hesitant to give it up, that's when Agatha revealed herself. She was never a villain to me here. She's a child alone and afraid who never had a good choice to make.
good excuse
2:54 “Uh-oh, Uh-oh, Uh-oh!” All the single ladies. Put your hands up 🎵 😂
Hahaha!
Is this a reaction or a commentary?
In this show, I never picked a side. I just watched the story develop and move forward and was entertained.
That astral projection is the same way Strange studied the magic books. Though Wanda is only using the Darkhold, the book of the damned. I wouldn't say it's CHOOSING the villain path, as it's the only book she knows of that refers to the Scarlet Witch, So she's only following what information thread she's aware of, but it's still not good.
The difference between wanda's astro projection and dr strange is that she is wide awake. Dr strange can't astro project without his body falling unconscious
Oooh! She's already so powerful!
Hey Jax, yet another great reaction! Remember, Vision is already back. When Hex Vision (that’s what I call him) opened up White Vision’s memories, he left the Hex and went who knows where. But he is still out there with all of the original Vision’s memories. It’s just a matter of where he shows up next. Will he reach out to Wanda? Maybe try to connect with Pepper, being that he still felt tied to Tony because of his Jarvis roots? We don’t know, but he is out there. Just an FYI, White Vision has an arc in the comics. I won’t spoil it for you, but it’s a good story, and could be relevant to some things Marvel is already doing in the MCU. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
Idont think the government can contain a witch. I think leaving Agatha in Wanda's hands is the best thing for everyone.
That was a Skrull, not a Kree lol. This series was a real study on trauma. Wanda didn't intentionally create everything but it more or less came from her intense grief. But she did become the villain by keeping all the people hostage. When she's reading the DarkHold she's doing it in her astral form but what makes it really amazing is that she's making tea while doing it. Doctor Strange would be laying down when he did it so it's letting you know what Agatha said about she is more powerful than the Sorcerer Supreme. Doctor Strange was actually supposed to show up in this series and the commercials were supposed to be his way of helping her but they scrapped it. This was the first of he Disney+ series and I enjoyed it. Also - Monica is also in the comics and doesn't lose her powers.
Wanda needs to be held accountable for her actions on SOME level.
I agree!
Don't worry you are not the only one who thinks that they didn't give proper close up to this story line they will gonna continue this story in Doctor strange in the multiverse of madness
Appreciate you taking an objective look at what Wanda was doing and holding her accountable. This could have really been a deep look at trauma without adding scapegoats of Agatha or Hayward (who was also not 100% villain)…and adding excuses like “they don’t know what you gave up” or whatever nonsense.
Runes: a mark or letter of mysterious or magic significance
Ruins: the remains of a building, city, etc., that has been destroyed or that is in disrepair or a state of decay
Monica has had those powers before the hex. Most of them anyway. Similar to Wanda having powers before the Infinity stone. She was always a witch. Tony Starks bombs would never malfunction. Wanda used ger powers to keep it from exploding, though she didn't realize it. Monica definitely knew of her powers though.
My sleep schedule is so backwards but I can't go to sleep without watching this first
I wish you a fantastic sleep! Thanks for watching!
I was confused why the show treated Hayward like a villain when he was the only major character who actually showed concern for the people of Westview. Sure he also wanted to activate Vision but that too was supposed to be a way to protect people, it was literally part of his job to develop weapons top decent the people of earth from threats. Monica, Jimmy and Darcy turned into Wanda cheerleaders who didn't seem to give a crap about the town at all, it was all Wanda this Wanda that. Of course Hayward wanted to kick them off base, who wouldn't? They were actively defending Wanda who had taken an entire town hostage, they knew that for a fact at that point.
And Monica acting like only she understands what it means to lose a loved one when the half of the world that wasn't blipped lost loved ones for years while much of the half who was blipped lost someone in the years they missed just like Monica did. After the blip the majority of the world should have experienced trauma through loss.
Wanda's magic is red because it's Chaos magic, while Agatha's is purple for dark magic and her mothers was blue for wicca magic and dr stranges is yellow for eldritch magic and loki's and his mums is green for illusion magic. The ancient one did say they pull the magic powers from different dimensions so the colour may signify this also. The direct continuation of this show is dr strange and the multiverse of madness.
Wow jax you really remember small small details you are the best I never saw anyone who didn't reade comics but remember this much small details
Thank you!! ❤️
congratulations on 100k
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!❤️🐑🎉
They didn't make a big deal about it but at some point during The Blip they did away with the Sekovia Accords.
Ooh, I didn't realize that. I must have missed that.
they still mention it, so you spoiled it for her
Still think this is the best Disney+ MCU show to-date. It was a wild journey watching this and that is what I liked. Wanda is not a hero, but a pained villain that was less a villain than Agatha. The next best Disney+ show is Hawkeye, which is a great show plus it introduces a key future MCU character in Kate Bishop. Hawkeye, Yelena, Kate Bishop, all great characters in a great show.
Now that you're on the X-Men journey. You'll see the issue raised in this series multiple times. What do you do when someone this powerful breaks like any person would understand the circumstances? What do you do when the harm caused is unintentional and their power makes containment almost impossible. This is repeatedly an issue with Mutants. And the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were mutants in the comics and were Magneto's children.
The best part of the writing for this show is the grey area of mental instability. You can't fully blame someone who has detached from reality, that's why we have the insanity defense. At the same time we see wanda being told what she's doing multiple times, and she refuses to accept it and basically breaks her own mind over and over to not have to face her pain. It brings a lot of realism to a world of unrealistic things that we all tend to relate to, but also can't at the same time, so it confuses our emotions. It's really clever writing and you leave not really feeling sure in your feelings, which sparks debate and discussion, which marks it as a great story.
Here's a for instance. My father abused us all so badly that I blocked out the memory of it. 99.9% of my childhood is blank and what I can remember is super fuzzy. That has caused my mind to forgot bad things that happen most of the time. That CAN be good, as I can more easily let them go, but it's also bad as I can traumatize myself over and over by repeating the same mistakes. It's also resulted in memory issues I still have in my 40s. So I can fully relate to altered mental states due to trauma. Still...I think wanda was let off easy here, at the least I would have liked to see Dr. Strange come and tell her she has to see a grief therapist.
It is an interesting thought experiment, trying to figure out what to do with someone like Agatha. But as a starter, until you DO come up with a well thought out, fully considered solution, stashing her away as Agnes isn't an awful way to buy yourself the time needed to have the discussion. You can't just let her roam around. And all of that applies to Wanda, too. At this point (the conclusion of this story) in the MCU, Wanda is effectively a god, even moreso than are Thor and Loki. She's on par with Odin as far as power goes, she just doesn't have thousands of years of trial and error to have gained any wisdom on how to wield power morally.
This show does live in the grey area. You're spot on. However you feel about Wanda at this point is valid and easy to justify.
Why aren't any of these episode in the playlist of the MCU?
Agatha was Wanda's mentor in the comics and chaos magic gives her the ability to do any kind of magic that she can think of essentially. She can manipulate probability, time, reality and do all kinds of magic
Of all the things Wanda has done, I'm fine with the spell on Agatha (Other than also wanting her to be free in the MCU just for feelings of her being such a great character). It's really just an imprisonment. We can say Wandas not the police or court system so can't make that call, but we also can't make Agatha go to court and can't keep her in a prison cell. We can say let Dr Strange take care of it, but besides the fact she needs to be taken care of now, it would also be Strange being Judge, and Jury, and Executioner. And in this world Super Heros are regularly making judge jury and executioner calls. Thor to Thanos, Stark to Obediah Stane, the list can go on and on. With many of them being literal executioner, rather than jailer.
You make a very good point!
So for any escape tactics, Jimmy is an ex-SHIELD agent as well as being FBI. He’d had to have done evasion and escape training to get out out of handcuffs.
That's so true!
[10:04] "Can you imagine battles this way..."
So, have you ever heard of a little show called Star Trek? Lots of those kinds of battles in that universe!
Agreed, Jax needs to watch some Star Trek!!
In the comics source material, Wanda went through some things, including her romance with the synthetic Vision, having children by him (?!?!?), and finally while she was in the island mutant homeland of Genosha, she spoke those terrible words... "No. More. Mutants..." With that one sentence she wiped out thousands and thousands of mutants. Most "just" lost their powers, but some whose body was adapted to their powers died when those powers were taken away. The Scarlet Witch killed many that day. And yes, she could have beaten Thanos, because Wanda re-writes reality itself.
I like your perspective on the ending with Wanda, it actually makes what coming for her a bit better i think
Vision is back the Vision Wanda created gave the original Vision back his memories .
I know you wanted Wanda to immediately apologize but you have to realize everything she went through and sure that still doesn’t excuse her from doing bad things but no one thinks the same it’s obvious Wanda didn’t want to hurt anyone but this is the first time that she realizes how really powerful she is ! She doesn’t even know how to control it all those people that got captured in the Hex was an accident and Wanda just assumed everyone was safe with her. Wanda really just let her emotions get the best of her and caused her powers to intensify . For me as I saw this show I loved everything about it nothing was done without reason the ending was perfect opening the door to a lot of things in the future. To this day Wanadavision is one of my favorite Marvel shows Top 3 for sure
Thank you for another reaction Jax - amazing as always 🤍❤💛 Hope you are doing well :) I love your thoughts about the shows/movies so much insight. I love Agnes so much, she gives me Wicked Witch vibes which is my favourite take on witches 💚Quicksilver's name was Ralph, the same 'husband' Agnes was referring to the entire series - she was so sneaky! (I adore lambie's jokes at the end! They always make me laugh)
Thank you so much!! I'm glad you enjoyed this! I love Agnes too. She was such a great character and I hope to see her again. Also, I am so happy you enjoyed the joke at the end!! Hope you have an amazing weekend! ❤
@@reactswithjax Thank you!! 💝💝
The last scene shows her reading the book of the damned aka the darkhold. The darkhold corrupts everything and everyone it touches
Remember how Agent Woo saw Scott Lang doing "magic" he learned online? Woo learned to do that, too. He showed off a couple card tricks when Rambeau meets him outside town, and he also learned escape tricks, like picking handcuffs.
I had forgotten about that!!
11:10 agreed. Love how the Vision battle was handled. Such a great character…or characters.
Agatha was a villain, Hayward was a villain and yes Wanda was also villain.
Having said that, I love Wanda as character but also as a villain like Loki.
My fav MCU character is actually Wanda.
Eh I mean it's hard to say exactly. Wanda definitely did a bad thing here and should probably be held responsible, but there's no government or anything that CAN hold her responsible, especially now. Wanda made a mistake, she un-did it and left. There isn't much else to say. Wanda doesn't want anything to do with governments containing Agatha as the government stole her partner lol. Wanda gets to choose here, she is basically a god at this point. There was never really a question about if it was OK what she was doing, it definitely wasn't.
The Skrull was talking about Nick Fury.
Cool!
Jax, you do realise Agatha killed a bunch of people!! Her punishment was very light.
Hi Jax, Thanks for doing this series - I've enjoyed watching along with you. I think they did a good job of making Wanda ambiguous in this show, as her story is not finished yet, particularly with the after-credit scene of her "children's" voices screaming in her ears. Very unsettling! A great grief study, which does not give a pat resolution because she is still in the midst of the grief process (if there is such a thing). Stay safe and watch out for stray helicopters...
To be honest i never thought of the morale & ethical things until this reaction
17:00 Completely disagree with you here. Agnus is a villain and letting her go will cause trouble. Obviously she won't be sitting calm after trying to steal Wanda's power. She will do it again given the opportunity as she has 1000's of years of experience.
And she won't be torturing her because the Hex is gone in the end so she won't have her nightmares. She is just in character aka noisy neighbour. Given the scene where she has killed her mum and others, probably more still present day, this is the besy way to prevent anymore disaster.
And Wanda didn't even know these people were having nightmares and is being tortured, its only at the end she found out.
I don't think Agnes should be let go. I was simply bringing up that mind control is unethical. This show never confirms if Wanda can mind control people without hurting them. Throughout the MCU, all the characters that have experienced mind control (Hawkeye, Erik Selvig) have all suffered as a result. Eric had a complete mental breakdown. I guess my solution would be to place her in a jail with runes around her so that her magic doesn't work.
Wanda is one of the more complex MCU characters who treads the line between hero and villain.
3:45 Remember, Woo has been learning magic ever since "Ant-Man"
the whole show was about wanda processing her grief. her energy bubble was a outgrowth of her inner feelings not necessarily a planned action. as she went through the stages of grief she slowly realized she was wrong probably with help from agatha in the end. s.w.o.r.d wasnt really sanctioned for the things they did so they got arrested. as far as agnes im unsure if they will do something about her there is a spinoff show for her sooner or later.
You have to remember Agnes was hundreds of years old so she can sit down for a minute lol
Hahahaha! You have a point!
Wanda didn’t know what she did when she did it initially.
That moment of clarity when Jax finally realizes SWORD and SHIELD 🤣
Took me 9 episodes, but I finally made the connection!
please just watch the show & teory comenntary at the end.. you miss some detail specialy at the ending
I love Wanda and her journey from villain to hero and back. I don't care about ethics, morality or the laws of the current world at all, because these are just comics. Her experiences and pain from childhood are clear to me. I also adore Agatha, she is a great villain with her principles. The civilian characters of this series are secondary, I don't understand why you should worry about it at all.
i hope you don't worry about any character
19:21
lol kinda makes sense that one might associate the red hue of Wanda's powers with the red color of the Reality Stone
When Thanos used it in Infinity War, it also tended to have a red effect so even I thought it would've been cool if her powers had come from that stone but the only time it was on Earth was during the 2nd Thor movie
Lmao Lamby went dark on that one. Great reaction, as usual!
Hahaha! His joke was definitely edgy! I'm so glad you enjoyed this.❤
The mind stone didnt give Wanda power but the mind stone unlocked it she's a witch
An awesome conclusion to a brilliant show. Wanda is supposed to be a "Grey Area" kind of character, and that's one of the reasons I love her. Being smokin' hot and one of the most powerful beings in the Universe doesn't hurt either.😍
I'm so curious where they plan on taking her character!
@@reactswithjax I'm not saying a word. 😉
Vision vs Vision is definitely my favorite battle haha. I remember coming away from that being so impressed that it was fought and won with words in the way it was.
It was the perfect battle for the two of them!
I smiled and said, "That's SO Vision." He was one of my favorite comic characters when I was a kid.
A lot of people watch this show and don't seem to notice that Wanda has become a villain again (not surprisingly, many are feminists, or the same kind of people who watched Black Panther and thought that Killmonger was making some good points)... and then they are surprised/disappointed by Wanda's next appearance in the MCU. I don't think you will be.
Helicopters circling around are a swat team looking for Lamby.
They haven't found him yet!
I could be wrong but it is most likely that after the hex went down, Agatha went back to normal and was only doing it to be able to have a proper goodbye to her "family"
Please drop the Wolverine reaction 😭😭 can't wait to see your reaction to it it's the best wolverine film of em all