Hope you enjoyed this video 😊 and hope it didn't come across as copium 😂 If things pan out 2025 will be a great year for VR!! And happy new year to you all 🎉
Really good video. Wonder what happens to meta with so many new competitors in the vr section. Im on team meta as of right now... They also need better hand tracking.
Sorry, but that's only how it works in the first few years of a still new technology. People said the same thing about automation, then automation arrived. People said the same thing about ai, now ai is here, and it's doing exactly what people said it would. There comes a time with anything where it matures, and is adopted on a grander scale. We have reached that point with VR.
But 2025 will be really special. Because at last, there will be a new generation of VR headsets, where you can't see pixels (I was waiting for it almost 10 years). There will be multiple headsets with 8K screens released in 2025, and all of them will be twice cheaper than Vision Pro (Play For Dream MR, Samsung Project Moohan, Pimax Dream Air, Shiftall MeganeX Superlight, etc).
in theory yes, because new technology, but yeah we mostly remember epic fail than sucess and for succes it is more meta quest 3 didnt bankcruptcy, but rest like apple pro, psvr 2 are failure
@@DingleBerryschnapps dude we are 2025 and vr commercial celebrate their 10 years and in 2025 it look worse than 2020, you have metaverse failure, psvr 2 failure, apple pro vision failure, seem meta quest 3 sell less than meta quest 2 so when only facebook is able to be ok in vr market it is not good news if i compare with console we had atari vs nintendo vs sega 10 years after console commercial
@@vyacheslavm2168lol better headsets doesnt equate to a bigger year for VR lol it simply just means better headsets for VR. it’s like phones, like they’re always better than they were the previous year but it’s not creating a “biggest year for phones” phenomenon. That phenomenon stems from having a product do something so standout and different but also meets people’s needs they didn’t know they needed met and making it all accessible to the average person, ie a walmart employee not an average consumer who also works in tech.
I don't care at all about any headset from Meta, Google/Android, Microsoft, or any other company that just want to use it to gather data about me. I don't care about "productivity" using a VR headset. I want to play VR games. I want the best visuals, and FoV ever. I want my VR experience to be my own, not a data farm for some company.
Ive been tracking a lot of these things for a while now and one thing i remember saying once i received my preordered Quest 3 was "theres a lot of potential here, but VR, XR, MR isnt taken seriously yet so we will still have a market of "mobile game ad" quality applications until there is more competition" and here we are. And the brink of a turn around for the VR market.
The quest 3 is so close to the ideal headset... just needs a bit more resolution + eye-tracking. Oh and less spyware. OLED would be great too but the brightness + cost-factor make it a bit prohibitive for the moment. Also... What we need: Less spyware What we got: Google entering VR 🙄
@@Doom_YXZwhat? Deeper blacks and better colors is worse? You're the only person who thinks this lol. Pancake lenses and microOled is what every VR manufacturer is aiming for. You're just a contrarian who thinks your opinion is better
Weird. I think the Quest 3 is miles away from the ideal headset. Being cheap while still having good lenses is its main and only redeeming quality. Just the fact that it's designed to eventually lock people into a proprietary VR store makes it rubbish in my book, even if it was good. Lastly, while PCVR is ultimately what I care about, I understand consoles need to be included in the VR space, but that is where I draw the line. Wanting to integrate the console into the headset and having us strap it to our faces is way past that line. All stand-alone VR is junk, for many reasons, but weight and the ability to upgrade the two components independently are the main ones.
3:12 No no, Samsung's "Project Moohan" will have different chip. It is NOT "Snapdragon XR2 Gen 2" (as in Quest 3 and 3s), but "Snapdragon XR2+ Gen 2", which is more powerful (2.5x GPU, 8x NPU), and it supports rendering resolution up to 4300x4300 at 90 fps.
6:15 false information. Proton is a compatibility layer between Linux and windows based software and IS NOT based in ARM. It is x86, as is the steam deck.
I purchased the first iteration of the Quest way back in 2019, back when the things had the Oculus logo on them. Seeing how far VR has come since then is honestly insane
90% probability that Pimax Dream Air will ship in May 2025 like they just announced? That should be close to 0%. Pimax only has a 3D render of this device to show and 4 months to go from that to shipping a real product... while also claiming that they're releasing multiple other products during that same period. That's not actually going to happen. The announcement they made is a defensive marketing announcement to try to trip up the Shiftall Meganex 8K. The time frame is fantasy. The real device probably will release eventually though. The question is whether it will release in 2025 or not.
Lol yeah they even admitted they're still working on the hand tracking tech, how are they gonna invent that in less than 6 months? Pimax is the worst at over promising. Even their most expensive headset feels cheap
Pimax are the world champions when it comes to over promising and under delivering. I'm glad they exist and are actually pushing the boundaries for the high end enthusiast, but I wouldn't put my money on them and I certainly wouldn't expect any of their "release windows" to be accurate. Kinda sucks they've abandoned the giant field of view that used to be their biggest selling point, I still want a hmd like that (with eye tracking) someday.
Greatly looking forward to Deckard. I'm one of those that isn't a fan of Meta, and I only use their headset because it's affordable - I don't even own any meta games except one that I used for troubleshooting and the headset itself was bought 3rd party and refurbished. Yes. That's how far I went to grudgingly buy this thing lol. I wanted to experience VR so I went for it. When Deckard comes out I'm happily switching over.
You forgot to mention that in 2025, a new generation of VR headsets will come with 8K screens, in which the pixels are not visible at all. I have been waiting for this for almost 10 years!!! And all these 8K generation VR headsets will have screens better than the Vision Pro, and will be almost 2 times cheaper than the Vision Pro -- "Play For Dream MR", Samsung "Project Moohan", "Pimax Dream Air", "Shiftall MeganeX Superlight", and probably some others.
I think the key features for next gen vr are ( Light weight ) ( connetable to PC or other external processor such as handheld gaming device ) ( Inside out tracking, no lighthouses )
The wander app on VR is better than google maps because you can go past points that google stops at . When I was a kid visiting family in Mississippi for the summer we built a treehouse in the woods and on google maps it cuts off before you get to the gravel road but on wander I went all the way to the end and saw the tree house . Even in Brooklyn I went through the lot of the Marcy projects and saw the apartment that I use to live . Google maps stops at the street and in vr you see it like your there but people are frozen in time 😊
Not sure if you know this but your voice comes through mostly on the left side for those of us with surround sound headsets. Great video though! It's nice to have all the random bits of information compiled into one place.
I wish theyd go a different route a bit with VR.. The whole stand up in a room and fling your arms around is a gimmick that isn't far off from the Wii.. It gets boring fast.. and if it doesn't the battery is dead before you're done anyways. I've seen tons of VR mods for games like skyrim, cyberpunk, etc.. And they seem amazing. You basically still sit down, use your mouse and keyboard/controller but the immersion is way better than you will ever get on a screen.. no matter how massive, or ultrawide it is. To be able to move your head around is neat too. Also you'd be plugged in your your console/pc and could render things so much better and not worry about battery life. To me this is the future of VR tech.. I just wish they'd implement it in more games.
Honestly, it doesn't matter how impressive the tech and ecosystem will be if the average user rejects it, if the average users prefers a potato over a Star Trek replicator, potato is the future.
The average user preferred a smaller phone in 2015, so they made phones bigger. We also preferred a headphone jack, so they got rid of it. Most people follow what the big tech companies give them and say thank you. Especially if it's Apple. You're overestimating the ability for an average user to think for themselves. If tech company says this thing is cool and better, they will buy it, 90% of the time
@@deluge6479you’re wrong. The average high end smartphone consumer did NOT prefer a headphone jack (and bought phones that didn’t have one), you are mixing up the opinion of enthusiast users and the average consumer. The average consumer was very very fast to adopt AirPods, especially since they became a status symbol very quickly.
VR will become mainstream when the overall experience becomes a no-brainer purchase. People will get fomo. Right now, the hardware is pretty good but not good enough and the UX/UI is still mediocre. And there are only a few must-play games. It’s just a matter of time
Bought a quest 3 to realize we need atleast 8k per eye for realistic immersion, sheer amout of gpu power needed is immense maybe 10y down the road. For now quest 3 is still a decent choice to get started.
Its not just about resolution but also ppd. The problem with most of these headsets is they have a low ppd. 60 is equivalent to the human eye and I hear headsets with 50 are close/good though. Sadly those are few. But I have a headset with 58 coming in January that I can’t wait to try. Its a tad higher than 4k resolution per eye.
My favorite 8K VR headset is “Play For Dream MR”, developed by former YVR. Because it will be released first (!), in early 2025 (they previously planned to release it in December 2024). It has 8K Sony Micro-OLED screens, 3840x3552 per eye (like “Pimax Dream Air” and “Shiftall MeganeX Superlight”). YVR is a serious company that has been making hardware for 10 years and VR headsets for 4 years. And YVR is one of the three companies that Qualcomm announced to be developing headsets with the new Snapdragon XR2+ Gen 2 chip (like Samsung's “Project Moohan”). Also, “Play For Dream MR” headset is developed in collaboration with Unity 3D, IMAX, DTS Audio. “Play For Dream MR” is very similar to “Vision Pro”. It's better than “Pimax Dream Air” because it's a standalone VR headset and has wireless connectivity. But it is probably worse than "Project Moohan", because it runs a custom Android, not Android XR (at least not yet, maybe later they will switch to Android XR).
@@vyacheslavm2168non-sequitur logic. Anybody that has used index controllers knows why they’re the best. This doesn’t have the strap that lets you not actively hold the controller with your fingers wrapped around it.
Ever since SAO ( sword art online ), I've been waiting for some next level VR headset the anime was set in 2020, 5 years have past since then still waiting😭😭
You thought we would have full dive vr by now? Lol do you realize how crazy that tech is? Neuralink hasn't even started real testing. We might have a similar technology by 2040, maybe.
@@deluge6479 You are still too optimistic, imo. Not only neural tech needs to develop way further for full dive - it also needs to become commercially viable for consumers. Maybe 2060-2080.
@nyaatell I don't think we'll be there by 2080 either, not even close. Full dive is likely not happening this century. There are so many hurdles we need to cross, and we've not really even started touching those hurdles yet.. Neural Link is about the level of tech right now as nuclear power was in the 1890s. When people assumed there had to be some very small building blocks that constitute the matter we see around us, but had no idea what it was. That's about where we are in terms of neural interfacing. We've literally gotten absolutely nowhere, and we've spent a LONG time getting here. We've experimented on monkeys with Brain Computer Interfaces since the late 60s... That's 60 years and we're still nowhere near anything of actual value to the masses. I remember learning about BCI on the TV program Beyond 2000 back in the mid 90s. They were about where we are today back then... Progress has been unbelievably slow. We're easily 80+ years away. It's very likely humanity will be struggling with survival by the time our technological knowhow would realistically give us these products. I genuinely think it's never going to happen. A set of glasses will always be so much cheaper and safer than drilling into people's skulls/blasting brains with whatever we come up with to create images and sensory stimuli that will makes us believe we're somewhere else. Just imagine the graphical power we could pump out in 2050... A tiny little compute device could have raytracing that makes fully rendered movie-level CG quality at 10k by 10k on 180 degree displays EASY. There's no reason for full dive at that point. We'll have some neural interfacing that will give you some basic sensations by then, but we're not going to be beaming visuals into our brains that would match 2x 10K screens. Now imagine the graphics and tech we have in 2080... There's just never going to be a real good time or reason to go for full dive. It's one of those sci-fi things that will remain sci-fi. Like wormholes and star wars style laser rifles where the light moves slower than bullets. Some things SEEM cool but kinda aren't feasible.
Well sao level doesnt seem likely anytime soon but ready player one seems closer, we already have most of the foundations we just need a lot of polish and upgrades and be affordable
8:46 Meta planned to release a Vision Pro competitor with LG, but they couldn’t come to an agreement with LG, and LG refused. Then there was news that LG would release its own VR headset, without Meta. And then, there was news that LG abandoned the plan to make even its own VR headset. And Bosworth said that Meta will not release VR headsets more expensive than $1000 anymore. This means that until Meta finds a new partner, the Quest Pro 2 will not appear. 10:50 Maybe not “MeganeX 2”, but “MeganeX Superlight”? Also, a very interesting VR headset with 8K screens is not mentioned - “Play For Dream MR”. This is very similar to Vision Pro by all its features, but it has controllers and supports SteamVR. It was supposed to be released in December 2024, but they didn’t have time. Most likely, it will be released first, of the entire generation of 8K headsets, at the very beginning of 2025.
All of these headsets NEED inside out tracking AND Oled screens! It needs to be standerd! Vr games change when you have an oled screen it’s 100x more immersive
I got mine a few months ago and I've also been having a good time. Just got Gran Turismo 7 and it's awesome. There are some good looking games to look forward to next year, like Hitman World of Assassination, Arken Age, Aces of Thunder, and Wanderer: Fragments of Fate just to name a few. And Sony's still working on it. They recently showed off a demo of PSVR 2 doing hand-tracking, and they've been adding other software stuff in the background. They're also working on getting their AI-upscaling tech (PSSR) from the PS5 Pro working with PSVR 2, which could make a huge difference in games (and maybe force me to buy a Pro 😢).
I agree that 2025 will be a big year for VR for all the reasons stated, plus this year I will be updating my top rated VR Theme Park with the Haunted Castle Dark Ride which is by far the most detailed, longest and ambitious haunted dark ride ever. Cannot wait to share as I know many other theme park fans like myself are going to love it.
I am currently using a Samsung HMD Odyssey + which runs on Windows Mixed Reality. I thought I have a limited , never to be seen again Samsung VR headset, and now THIS
RV glasses problems to tackle: 1) make the headset comfortable. weight and ocular fatigue, it is imperative to reduce the weight (eg, putting the power/control unit somewhere else, even a short cable would be ok as long as we do not need to have all the stuff over our heads) so the visor is light enough to be comfortable, also improve the "focus" issue that do not allows us to be as relax as in the real world. 2) motion sickness (develop new ways of tackling this problem), i put it second cause weight affects all the experiences and motion sickness just some of them. 3) haptics... this can help with point 2 anf it would move the experience to the next level. And then, of course, with time, improve the resolution... but this is already being achived and for me, no a deal breaker ad we can survive with cartoon images as virtual worlds, no need to be 100% real, one day it would be, but in the meanwhile we can enjoy the ride if it is comfortable and immersive enough.
People focus so much on new headsets and new features to save vr when in reality we just need more and better games, especially games with good progression, or an actual good vr mmo. Games that keep people coming back.
quest 3 lenses are much better, but wouldnt say better enough to be worth upgrading quest 3 tracking is shit with the new camera layout anytime you lift your hands you lose tracking
@googleslocik My main feature for upgrade is eye tracking, I think I would've upgraded to a quest 3 if it had it, or would've bought the psvr2 if the eye tracking worked But the cheapest eye tracking headset is around the $1000 which doesn't make sense to me
They made one already, it's called the quest 3 lol. Pancake lenses, better resolution, better processor, battery, ring less controllers, color passthrough. Hell even the 3S is an upgrade. What do you Mean lmao
@deluge6479 that can be compelling to you, not to me, my next headset MUST have eye Tracking for various reasons, mainly foveated rendering with OpenXR toolkit
@@deluge6479 Also worse tracking and very bad noisy low iso cameras. Angle resolution is probably same or lower since the higher fov makes negates the higher panel resolution. Its better, but not by that much.
Just like nuclear fusion, vr is always on the cusp. The reality is that its always gonna be a tiny niche, if it exists at all. Any delusions i had of a big vr popoff has long evaporated. You guys are just behind the curve
It's gonna pop off, it's just not going to take over gaming. I don't think that was ever in the cards, realistically. 10-15 years from now I don't really see people sitting on the couch playing on a 2d screen though. That would be weird seeing as we'll have extremely light headsets at that point, and wide FOV.. If you need to buy a 180 inch screen to compete with a Ready Player One style visor, people are probably going to go with the visor... Only reason I don't play more is literally comfort. I think VR is going to take off waaaaaaay before fusion though. We've never been on the cusp of fusion. We are so far away it's just depressing as hell. Most realistic view on fusion is that it's going to come far too late for us to solve anything with fusion. By the time fusion is functional, we'll either have reached tipping points where the world is in total war over territory as most of the equatorial region is uninhabitable due to constant natural disasters, or we'll have solved the climate crisis in some other way and fusion will just be a nice addition. There are so many reasons why fusion won't work with our current tech (the reactors literally just melt cause we have no material that can withstand the temps) whereas for VR it's pretty much just comfort. Hell, if VR manufacturers stop shoving everything into the headset itself we could have had Bigscreen Beyond style mobile headsets with processing pucks by now. But VR manufacturers keep stuffing everything into the headset as if it makes sense to do that... Anyways....
I have an Pico 4 Ultra. I can download ordinary android apps today and run Spotify, IPTV, World of tanks blitz,streaming services, X, Instagram, Firefox and so on. Sure, they're not made for VR, but they work.
I'm waiting eagerly to see what headsets are coming out soon, meanwhile dreading the impending demise of my Reverb G2. My only wish is that the new Valve headset has the option to be powered and plugged into a pc too. For sim racers and flight sim guys there is little to no benefit to wireless but a massive downside to batteries dying mid race/flight. Fingers crossed there's a headset that caters to that. I'd love to go with Valve just for the bug free Steam VR integration, the fighting between WMR and Steam VR along with the various protocols is my biggest problem with the G2... Oh, except for the ticking clock on it becoming e-waste of course.
I know pax doesn’t have the greatest track record, but they are releasing TWO headsets next year. January is the Crystal Super with a 58ppd QLED panel and the panels are swappable with a lower ppd but higher fov qled and an oled panel too, how cool is that??? I just hope they get it right. I got mine on preorder. I might cancel it or sell it if the Deckard is real with better specs but tbh if its a hybrid device I’m not very interested in it at all, unless the battery is swappable, or it fully supports lighthouse and pcvr.
Still waiting for something that is better than my Oculus Rift on all fronts... No rings on the controllers nooooooooooooo! Nob on the back nooooooooooooo! Standalone noooo!
I've been using a Valve Index since 2020 and it's been awesome but it's wearing out and more than a little outdated. I'd like to get the Deckard when it comes out but that depends on my Index holding out for another year.
The 5080 hasn't been announced yet, so we need to wait and see. I'm also making an educated guess that the 5080 will be over $1000 minimum, so it'll probably be over double the price of a Quest 3.
ARM powers Proton? Proton is a compatibility layer that translates windows applications for Linux operating systems. ARM is an instruction set architecture like x86 64bit or RISC-V. Also the steam deck uses x86 not ARM to my knowledge. It's a custom built AMD chip.
Why are they so obsessed in having EVERYTHING in the headset? I'm perfectly fine having something connected to the headset (to make it light as possible) and having hardware like CPU etc on your back. This is mobile in every form, and you can expand the battery capacity a lot by doing it this way too. Current technologies aren't anywhere close to making a headset with everything included which downgrades performance at least 10x. We will not see a complete headset that is maybe doable in say 20 years, they have to solve size, performance and efficiencies etc, and ofc battery capacity to get it up to the level we want. We're not there yet, not even close. I think AR is the future which will combine the best from VR and PC/streaming together that will be connected to your phone or another device in some shape or form too. If you have a good PC, then buy a VR headset and hook it up directly or use WIFI and enjoy what we got. Or you may just end up dying before even enjoying any of it ;) among other things.
and then me still on htc vive 1.0, I started with forte vfx1 and vfx3d then vuzix 920 and wrap1200 so vive just still seems perfect to me, but have been thinking of wireless quest 3 now especially since i picked up 2 vr SU2000 90's mall vr machines I could use them with while I restore the old pc. are the Valve vr set ups made to be both wireless and connected to pc like quest 3 does is my biggest question if so I can wait year to upgrade.
I'm ALL for the VR/AR/XR future, but I really only see VR getting wider adoption when we have something priced like the Quest 3s and a form factor aligned with the Bigscreen Beyond (as you said - more like glasses). It's exciting to see what Google, Samsung and Valve doing. Apple is somewhat missing the mark completely by pricing themselves out of the conversation - but I also see them potentially suprising us in the next 2-3 years. Definitely optimistic, but I can already feel like this is another year of feeling 'let down' by mass adoption. Another 'THIS is the year of VR/MR'
Wish I had known before getting quest 3. I upgraded from ole Dell MXR headset which was still working for me but, the facial foam was ruined. However, I feel there is stuff the MXR did that the Quest 3 and 3s dont even do such as the portal and multi windows including instant destktop link to view. However, its been freeing to not always have a cable attached with Q3 and really enjoying the pancake lenses. The setup was pretty intense however, to get properly set up and connected to pc and get sidequest on etc. However, it feels more about the UI than hardware to me apart from as said the lens difference, so a software vs hardware if you will. I was interested more in the Mixed reality side but, apart from couple of room based games seen nothing too impressive. I guess what Im really looking for could be what is coming. Especially in regards to google maps and googles ecosystem. I was hoping to get it on meta in mixed reality but, that never gonna happen especially now if it even had any chance previous. What we need however, is NOT this XR headset although im sure will be kinda kool etc. etc. What I have with meta is enough for me right now in what I can do and although some things I cant are frustrating I wont be upgrading till the point its all in a pair of sunglasses or a contact lens. I know we have the meta raybans and the mata glasses coming but, we need something as cheap as the 3s but, in light wearable glasses form without even having the big thick arms etc. Decent hardware as processor and oleds built in. Plus a decent OS and we need improvements in batteries to handle the power requirements and last longer than an hour or 2. Have camera built in but, have the Immersive experience built in too - as in like transitions (go dark) sure we will have light leakage unless putting a bag over your head but, it would be decent enough to sit somewhere out of direct sunlight and watch a movie without having to put the apple style current vr ski goggles on. Something that blends in as said perhaps contact lens offe better option for going dark over eyes to make immersive. However, what it needs also is the suite that currently only google offers such as mail and youtube and maps etc. to be like a 3D HUD in Mixed Reality. So you really can ask the built in Ai or allow keyboard for air tapping to input address etc. and then guide you to your destination without anyone else knowing or seeing and you looking normal just perhaps with arrows on the street guiding you to where you need to get to. This would be more useful than google earth in a big enclosed horsebag strapped to your face. A lot of what google can offer is productivity and just link in phone stuff, like able to call with audio and video, sure facebook so messenger and whatsapp are metas but, with it being android and google - sure there will be similar and we will have all our comms in one sleek device plus be able to play too as well as watch a movie and as said perhaps like the quest - tap the side and the glasses go dark tine and we get more immersive. Ai be built in and obviously mic and cam, eye tracking, oled screens etc. We are getting there and will but, give it another 5 years imo. Our biggest problem to overcome it battery capacity and power usage as well as cooling. No good having any of this looking like feed back strapped to face, plus lasts only an hour and gets hot too when being used. Perhaps a nano cold fusion reactor ? lol
Quest 3 with bad head straps from beginning - no go to give people a good experience. And all those bad Pimax headsets will ruin yet some people’s experiences and wallets. Along with nvidias greed - cause you need best gpu for new headsets - so NO - it does not look good
It's funny how it's all really just started. Google/Samsung coming in should light a fire under Metas ass properly this time (sorry vision pro) and if we get the deckard as well!! It's gonna get crazy. Oh yeh i forgot, vr is dead my bad😂
Samsung's Android XR headset is not running the same XR2 as the Quest 3. It's the XR2+ Gen 2, not the XR2 Gen 2. I know Qualcomm's naming is confusing, but it's a significantly more powerful chip than in the Quest 3.
Proton ARM is not ready. i want to be wrong, but i don't think i am. it'll likely be an AMD semicustom chip, like the Steam Deck. SteamVR has a lot of work to go for Proton ARM VR. and ARM does not power Proton, its purely X86 on its own. Box86 or FEX can make it run on ARM, but its not ideal. Proton_ARM has the FEX developer working on it directly, and she's incredibly talented, but not prototype to final product in a year level. no one is, with such a complicated problem.
I think in the long term all of Meta’s AR/VR endeavors will fizzle out into nothing, they don’t have the apps that matter. Don’t get me wrong I love my quest 3 (for gaming), but will ditch it immediately when the Apple Vision Pro becomes more affordable.
I'm speculating / making an educated guess. But I think google is in it for the long haul with AndroidXR. Google has a reputation for abandoning products, google+ & stadia come to mind and there are probably more. But a lot of VR is already based on android, and google are relatively good stewards of android, and it's probably something that is growing mostly in house. Google has so much money they buy up other companies and take big risks and then just pull out if they aren't making huge profits. But I don't think that's what this is. It's a more foundational strategy to get the play store on more devices just like with phones. And I don't mind buying hardware from Samsung and getting my OS from google with my phone, so for VR I think it'll work out okay. I also have the belief that VR will only get way bigger over time, so I'm optimistic about companies putting real investment into the space.
Do people still think that apple vision pro is the best headset? Even regarding resolution it just had a draw with another headset the day it was released. And the only advantage it has is standalone. Is it just because of publicity that headsets try to compare to the apple vision pro, a headset no one seems to use?
Vr won’t take of mainstream uniil they make a headset way lighter and more comfortable. Nobody I know can wear it more than an hour without complaining of it.
This is all new tech. This should not be treated as traditional competition. VR games exclusives are so dumb! The focus should be on growing the pie not choking off an already niche customer base. Valve and Meta need to welcome each other into the space as this grows the customer adoption
I actually just want to see a new PCVR Index 2: High FOV, Full-Body tracking through Lighthouse AND new Tracker "mix". Finger tracking with sleek controllers "or" hands only. Eye tracking. Headset-size similar to Bigscreen Beyond. Maybe even Lipsync tracking. $1500 / 1700 € max for the full package. To be honest: Is it too much to ask for? Why does literally nobody come up with exact these features? One got nice FOV but no Eye track. Others get eye track but no precise finger track. I never bought the original Index for several reasons, like issues with controllers, high price, etc. For now, I am using a Quest 3 since my Samsung WMR headset was pure pain. -- I sincerely hope that PCVR with Lighthouse is not dead - yet.
"To be honest: Is it too much to ask for?" Yes. I mean, that would be cool, but the tech isn't there yet. You're basically asking for a headset roughly the size of the smallest, lightest one on the market, that also contains larger lenses (for a bigger FOV), and a bunch of tech that can't fit in its form factor, for a cost significantly lower than what those components would cost individually (the BSB costs $1K and that doesn't even include controllers or Lighthouse stations). Something's gotta give. It would either be bigger/heavier than you want, or cost significantly more than you want, or probably both. At least for the next few years or so. And price is the big issue. If you look at the history of VR, the market has always been dominated by the cheapest headset to give decent VR results. That's why PSVR 1 outsold every other headset significantly until the Quest 2 arrived, and the Quest 2 destroyed it and everything else. Most people who are buying into VR either haven't tried it before, or have only tried it briefly. They're taking a leap of faith, and the higher the price tag, the fewer people will jump. The closest thing to what you're describing is the Apple Vision Pro, and look how big it was, how much it cost, and how well it sold. VR tech will get there eventually, but what you're looking for is still years off.
@@GreyMatterShades Yeah, I agree - the sizing still is a big topic. I slight agree on tech.. though.. by end of the day.. yes its a lot of parts but you can build an DIY eye tracker for example for under 100 bucks. The Meta Quest Pro has Eye tracking, but not Quest 3 and 3S - while the 3S has some infrared sensor that Q3 and maybe even Pro is missing. Overall these parts might all still fit into the case of a Q3 (or Q4). Since the price for the 3S is less than Q3 and pro and mass production on eye tracking should not cost a lot in terms of parts, the pricing of an Q4 headset with both could stay the same as Q3. I know Meta can dump the price a lot, but the price of parts probably differ by a few cent or dollar compared to PCVR headset manufacturing. There is also no reason for HTC to still sell their Index for the original price. If it would cost a third less, many more people may buy it and increase the profit. Pimax should stop just building 25 other headsets and then try to justify their over the top pricings with "oh yeah inventing new headsets cost money". They may stick with one high end and one budget headset for a while..raising their customer base -- And if I see it from a game-dev perspective, I would build my own headset in a very modular way from the beginning that may allow up/downgrading features. There is a company producing an eye tracker addon for Quest3 atm for 140 bucks, slim and becomes part of a visor replacement. Why does it need a third party company coming up with that idea? I have the feeling that many VR headset developers have no idea what they want to do with it or what the consumer really needs. Meta on Top 1 not knowing, but guessing that Meta Worlds is the hot skit and pushing money into it, while ignoring VRChats established presence completly. Top 2 Apple being Apple and hurting the whole market because many jump on the train that they could sell a $750 VR Headset for $2000 now because the 1$ Flanell-Strap got reinvented by advertisement-frogs.
What makes the Vr game developers think floating hands attached to nothing realistic? Thats the dumbest thing ive seen. Until they resolve the issues making it look so stupid i won't both with vr. I keep seeing this in vr games and don't get it
There is actually NO WAY that I would ever buy headset running Windows on it. My personal despise against Microsoft wouldn't allow it. So just like I bought Steam Deck and not any other Windows handheld. My money would go to Deckard.
I always hate the air tight face cascade cover in VR/AR headsets. It gets fogging quite easily in certain situation due to different air temperature. Most of the strap design in VR/AR headset is as good as the 90th era weight in the face strapping. Weight is not the only problem, is the design of the strap which is so old solution which need to be modernized. Such great technology and is the best 21st century for sure but it needs to improve in the listed area not just specs
@a5cent Still uses air tight cascade like Beyond and other headsets with even a boring lazy strap because it is light weight so they think they can get away with no improvement. Like I said, weight is not the main problem of why is awkward to wear these thing. The lack of strap design innovation and face cascade are also the big problem
@@toututu2993 Sounds like you only have experience with the low-end VR trash? Weight absolutely is an issue for anyone using these things for more than 30 minutes. A lighter headset can be mounted using fewer pressure points, and that means less sweating and less weight your neck must support. It's the main ingredient to long term comfort. I've never had issues with my lenses fogging up. That being said, I think you're missing something: Because the HMD puts no weight on a person's face at all, you can just take face gasket off and have nothing touching your face at all, with full air flow between your face and the HMD, as if you weren't even wearing one. If that's not good enough for you, nothing ever will be. Of course you then need to block out light in some other way, so this only works in a very dark room, but because the MeganX 8k uses Lighthouses rather than inside-out tracking, that is also possible. No other headset out there can do this.
@@a5cent You sound like you think the strapping solution for most of the VR/AR headset of the time of this writing are perfect, and cannot be improved. There is a way to avoid light leakage without having to block all the outside airs like swimmimg googles ya know
Valve Index works well for me in Beat Saber. The only other headset I've tried for this purpose is Samsung Odyssey and that one becomes unplayable very quickly. In this case light leakage + spongy face gasket becomes a feature not a bug.
And, if and when these headsets release in 2025...my biggest concerns will always be the software, the price, the long term post launch support and...the GAMES‼️🤔🧐 By now we should already be playing Half Life Alyx 2's new game plus mode and its dlc. I'm positive all these headsets will be designed for more than just gaming..But that's all I want any of them for. I want a constant flood of top tier Vr/Ar Games and next level mind blown Experiences‼️This year we got Metro, Behemoth, Batman and Aliens just to name a few. Sequels to our best Vr games so far are few and far between and that includes post launch content and patches. What Valve and Samsung both are doing sounds exciting to me. But I'd love for Valve to have a slate of Vr games to look forward to that won't take forever to release. I'm shocked that the Index is still $1000 after taxes. I hope the Quest 4 goes above and beyond what we've seen so far in Vr/Ar gaming. I hope all future Vr/Ar games established a high graphical standard and nothing below that. With all these headsets and their tech we still need gaming devs who are dedicated to making quality games that'll make Half Life Alyx, Batman, Metro and 2024 Vr games look like Ps2 games. Just my personal opinions from a gaming consumer. I have the Index, Oculus Rift,G2, Psvr1&2, Steamdeck, Ps5, and a Pc with an MSI RTX 4090.
It's a Meta commercial for Star Wars Tales From the Galaxy's Edge. The commercial is highly deceptive though, as the real game doesn't look nearly that good (especially on Quest 2). I've heard it's a good game though, just don't expect those graphics.
@GreyMatterShades yeah I thought it was, I have a PS VR 2 but I had already played it on the quest so I never really looked into it, but I thought I remember seeing it. But after looking into it, it came out on the quest in 2020 and on the PS VR 2 in 2022, which makes sense because the DLC was already released by the time it came to the PS VR2. But it’s also $39.99 on the PS VR2 so it comes out to the same.
If Google releases a headset with the same chip that the Quest 3 uses, with displays with AVP levels of resolution, I'm gonna laugh. That's going to be the slowest headset on the market if it has to push that many pixels. It's going to be WAY crappier than the Quest 3 aside from the displays... That will max out at 72hz because no game can be run any faster than that on the XR2 Gen2 chip at 4Kx2... I don't think people fully realize just how much faster the AVP is than the Quest... There's a fricken M chip in those goggles, that's kinda what it takes to drive displays with that level of resolution. The AVP has 3.5 tflops, the Quest 3 has 2.4. Tflops isn't everything, but it does indicate the amount of polys and pixels that can be used in games. So Google is making an AVP killer that's 30% slower... And it's Android AND it's a first gen device AND is made by google, so it's going to pretty much be a Devkit type headset that will be abandoned within the next 6-12 months... So you get all that crap on top of the low performing chips... People should absolutely not get onto the Google XR platform before they've proven that they're in it for the long haul. Google literally does not give a CRAP about its customers. One of the worst companies in the world, far worse than Meta. All in all, I think Google jumping into this space is going to be a net negative. Facebook/meta isn't great... Google isn't great.. All these "not-great" companies jumping onto the VR bandwagon is going to make VR looks lamer to the average joe. On top of that, Valve might release a headset next year, and now that Valve's image is RAPIDLY deteriorating by people at large FINALLY acknowledging that they've been letting kids gamble for a damn decade now AND they're essentially just a middleman that sucks up 30% of indie devs profits while only taking 15% from the AAA studios, that's also not going to be great for VR... Good Guy Gabe is a myth.. Not to be a debbie downer or anything.. But I think much of the stuff we in the VR community are excited about will ultimately make VR look less appealing to people. Especially when the Valve headset turns out to be 1200 bucks and you need a Steamdeck in addition to that or some such craziness...
Hope you enjoyed this video 😊 and hope it didn't come across as copium 😂 If things pan out 2025 will be a great year for VR!!
And happy new year to you all 🎉
Really good video. Wonder what happens to meta with so many new competitors in the vr section. Im on team meta as of right now... They also need better hand tracking.
@Ferdlsh I was wondering where the hand tracking was coming in 😂 thanks buddy
Im staying loyal🫡🫡🫡
I am wondering if valve is waiting for apple. With proton etc.
Remember folks, the next year is always the best year to buy a VR machine
Sorry, but that's only how it works in the first few years of a still new technology.
People said the same thing about automation, then automation arrived. People said the same thing about ai, now ai is here, and it's doing exactly what people said it would.
There comes a time with anything where it matures, and is adopted on a grander scale.
We have reached that point with VR.
But 2025 will be really special. Because at last, there will be a new generation of VR headsets, where you can't see pixels (I was waiting for it almost 10 years). There will be multiple headsets with 8K screens released in 2025, and all of them will be twice cheaper than Vision Pro (Play For Dream MR, Samsung Project Moohan, Pimax Dream Air, Shiftall MeganeX Superlight, etc).
in theory yes, because new technology, but yeah we mostly remember epic fail than sucess and for succes it is more meta quest 3 didnt bankcruptcy, but rest like apple pro, psvr 2 are failure
@@DingleBerryschnapps dude we are 2025 and vr commercial celebrate their 10 years and in 2025 it look worse than 2020, you have metaverse failure, psvr 2 failure, apple pro vision failure, seem meta quest 3 sell less than meta quest 2
so when only facebook is able to be ok in vr market it is not good news
if i compare with console we had atari vs nintendo vs sega 10 years after console commercial
@@vyacheslavm2168lol better headsets doesnt equate to a bigger year for VR lol it simply just means better headsets for VR. it’s like phones, like they’re always better than they were the previous year but it’s not creating a “biggest year for phones” phenomenon. That phenomenon stems from having a product do something so standout and different but also meets people’s needs they didn’t know they needed met and making it all accessible to the average person, ie a walmart employee not an average consumer who also works in tech.
I give the Vision Pro 2 a 1% chance of being released in 2025
Fair, I hope to God not though. The vision is basically a less useful quest
@@parker73724while it is stronger and much more expensive, it also just isn’t compatible with most games.
@@parker73724 I don't get with all the peeps complaining about non existing problems of a product they had never used 😂
@@parker73724at 8x the price lol
@@parker73724 the more competition the better
Microsoft: **wakes up confused and dizzy...** "Virtual WHAT!?"
I imagined Limmy's face.
@@SogonD.Zunatsu Yeah! Exactly XD
I don't care at all about any headset from Meta, Google/Android, Microsoft, or any other company that just want to use it to gather data about me. I don't care about "productivity" using a VR headset. I want to play VR games. I want the best visuals, and FoV ever. I want my VR experience to be my own, not a data farm for some company.
Ive been tracking a lot of these things for a while now and one thing i remember saying once i received my preordered Quest 3 was "theres a lot of potential here, but VR, XR, MR isnt taken seriously yet so we will still have a market of "mobile game ad" quality applications until there is more competition" and here we are. And the brink of a turn around for the VR market.
The quest 3 is so close to the ideal headset... just needs a bit more resolution + eye-tracking. Oh and less spyware.
OLED would be great too but the brightness + cost-factor make it a bit prohibitive for the moment.
Also...
What we need: Less spyware
What we got: Google entering VR
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Agree, but it would be good to have more compute, Asus + Quest would be an insane combo
weight, fov, oled are what I'm excited for. all around better tracking on top of those things would make it pretty cracked
Oled is bad for VR. Just remember how bad it looks in PSVR2
@@Doom_YXZwhat? Deeper blacks and better colors is worse? You're the only person who thinks this lol. Pancake lenses and microOled is what every VR manufacturer is aiming for. You're just a contrarian who thinks your opinion is better
Weird. I think the Quest 3 is miles away from the ideal headset.
Being cheap while still having good lenses is its main and only redeeming quality.
Just the fact that it's designed to eventually lock people into a proprietary VR store makes it rubbish in my book, even if it was good.
Lastly, while PCVR is ultimately what I care about, I understand consoles need to be included in the VR space, but that is where I draw the line. Wanting to integrate the console into the headset and having us strap it to our faces is way past that line. All stand-alone VR is junk, for many reasons, but weight and the ability to upgrade the two components independently are the main ones.
3:12 No no, Samsung's "Project Moohan" will have different chip. It is NOT "Snapdragon XR2 Gen 2" (as in Quest 3 and 3s), but "Snapdragon XR2+ Gen 2", which is more powerful (2.5x GPU, 8x NPU), and it supports rendering resolution up to 4300x4300 at 90 fps.
Yeah that's my bad, I misunderstood
Deckard and Roy are names from that famous film, you know, Bladerunner?!!
Thats where it comes from 👍🏻
Yup, some don’t seem to know it! 🤣
@@kooky2 the most of them I guess 😁
We can only hope! 👍
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6:15 false information. Proton is a compatibility layer between Linux and windows based software and IS NOT based in ARM. It is x86, as is the steam deck.
Ok.
This
I purchased the first iteration of the Quest way back in 2019, back when the things had the Oculus logo on them. Seeing how far VR has come since then is honestly insane
90% probability that Pimax Dream Air will ship in May 2025 like they just announced? That should be close to 0%. Pimax only has a 3D render of this device to show and 4 months to go from that to shipping a real product... while also claiming that they're releasing multiple other products during that same period. That's not actually going to happen.
The announcement they made is a defensive marketing announcement to try to trip up the Shiftall Meganex 8K. The time frame is fantasy. The real device probably will release eventually though. The question is whether it will release in 2025 or not.
Lol yeah they even admitted they're still working on the hand tracking tech, how are they gonna invent that in less than 6 months? Pimax is the worst at over promising. Even their most expensive headset feels cheap
@@deluge6479 Yeah. And bear in mind that Chinese new year is between now and May, too.
Pimax are the world champions when it comes to over promising and under delivering.
I'm glad they exist and are actually pushing the boundaries for the high end enthusiast, but I wouldn't put my money on them and I certainly wouldn't expect any of their "release windows" to be accurate. Kinda sucks they've abandoned the giant field of view that used to be their biggest selling point, I still want a hmd like that (with eye tracking) someday.
Greatly looking forward to Deckard. I'm one of those that isn't a fan of Meta, and I only use their headset because it's affordable - I don't even own any meta games except one that I used for troubleshooting and the headset itself was bought 3rd party and refurbished. Yes. That's how far I went to grudgingly buy this thing lol. I wanted to experience VR so I went for it. When Deckard comes out I'm happily switching over.
You forgot to mention that in 2025, a new generation of VR headsets will come with 8K screens, in which the pixels are not visible at all. I have been waiting for this for almost 10 years!!! And all these 8K generation VR headsets will have screens better than the Vision Pro, and will be almost 2 times cheaper than the Vision Pro -- "Play For Dream MR", Samsung "Project Moohan", "Pimax Dream Air", "Shiftall MeganeX Superlight", and probably some others.
Nobody cares about china's temu VR headset that links all your data to the CCP like the knock off go pro and fake iphones
Theres also going to be this crazy game called Orion Drift that will drive competitive vr to a whole new level
0:21 who let bro know how to download mods in bonelab💀
An insider commenting here, I see.
those aren’t mods 😭 that’s in the game
@@vande_lre watch it again before commenting 💀💀
@xgamercat imagine smeone dont know how to do this...
Give me those mods lil bro
I think the key features for next gen vr are ( Light weight ) ( connetable to PC or other external processor such as handheld gaming device ) ( Inside out tracking, no lighthouses )
The wander app on VR is better than google maps because you can go past points that google stops at . When I was a kid visiting family in Mississippi for the summer we built a treehouse in the woods and on google maps it cuts off before you get to the gravel road but on wander I went all the way to the end and saw the tree house . Even in Brooklyn I went through the lot of the Marcy projects and saw the apartment that I use to live . Google maps stops at the street and in vr you see it like your there but people are frozen in time 😊
Roy (Рой) on most of slavic languages means “The Hive“.
Not sure if you know this but your voice comes through mostly on the left side for those of us with surround sound headsets. Great video though! It's nice to have all the random bits of information compiled into one place.
I wish theyd go a different route a bit with VR.. The whole stand up in a room and fling your arms around is a gimmick that isn't far off from the Wii.. It gets boring fast.. and if it doesn't the battery is dead before you're done anyways. I've seen tons of VR mods for games like skyrim, cyberpunk, etc.. And they seem amazing. You basically still sit down, use your mouse and keyboard/controller but the immersion is way better than you will ever get on a screen.. no matter how massive, or ultrawide it is. To be able to move your head around is neat too. Also you'd be plugged in your your console/pc and could render things so much better and not worry about battery life. To me this is the future of VR tech.. I just wish they'd implement it in more games.
Honestly, it doesn't matter how impressive the tech and ecosystem will be if the average user rejects it, if the average users prefers a potato over a Star Trek replicator, potato is the future.
The average user preferred a smaller phone in 2015, so they made phones bigger. We also preferred a headphone jack, so they got rid of it. Most people follow what the big tech companies give them and say thank you. Especially if it's Apple. You're overestimating the ability for an average user to think for themselves. If tech company says this thing is cool and better, they will buy it, 90% of the time
@@deluge6479you’re wrong. The average high end smartphone consumer did NOT prefer a headphone jack (and bought phones that didn’t have one), you are mixing up the opinion of enthusiast users and the average consumer. The average consumer was very very fast to adopt AirPods, especially since they became a status symbol very quickly.
VR will become mainstream when the overall experience becomes a no-brainer purchase. People will get fomo.
Right now, the hardware is pretty good but not good enough and the UX/UI is still mediocre. And there are only a few must-play games. It’s just a matter of time
@@deluge6479 but apple tried to sell to us apple pro vision and it obviously a failure
Bought a quest 3 to realize we need atleast 8k per eye for realistic immersion, sheer amout of gpu power needed is immense maybe 10y down the road. For now quest 3 is still a decent choice to get started.
Have you been playing the wrong games? Even with the quest 3 resolution games are very immersive.
Its not just about resolution but also ppd. The problem with most of these headsets is they have a low ppd. 60 is equivalent to the human eye and I hear headsets with 50 are close/good though. Sadly those are few. But I have a headset with 58 coming in January that I can’t wait to try. Its a tad higher than 4k resolution per eye.
For reference the quest 3 has only 25 ppd. Pretty low….
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I am okay with the current state we are, it's pretty immersive for me, the only thing that breaks my immersion is when I punch the wall
Portable PC VR sounds amazing
so the quest?
Valve deckard if it turns out good will make me sell my quest 2 and quest 3 to buy valve deckard
I just wanna connect my deckard to my 5090. Not interested in low power vr.
@@slopedarmor you are rich
@@k1ngkaos252The Quest uses Android. Far from a PC.
My favorite 8K VR headset is “Play For Dream MR”, developed by former YVR. Because it will be released first (!), in early 2025 (they previously planned to release it in December 2024).
It has 8K Sony Micro-OLED screens, 3840x3552 per eye (like “Pimax Dream Air” and “Shiftall MeganeX Superlight”). YVR is a serious company that has been making hardware for 10 years and VR headsets for 4 years. And YVR is one of the three companies that Qualcomm announced to be developing headsets with the new Snapdragon XR2+ Gen 2 chip (like Samsung's “Project Moohan”). Also, “Play For Dream MR” headset is developed in collaboration with Unity 3D, IMAX, DTS Audio. “Play For Dream MR” is very similar to “Vision Pro”. It's better than “Pimax Dream Air” because it's a standalone VR headset and has wireless connectivity. But it is probably worse than "Project Moohan", because it runs a custom Android, not Android XR (at least not yet, maybe later they will switch to Android XR).
Idk, I was excited for the valve decard, but the roy controller are definitely a step back imo.
lol
Why? It supports both VR games and flat console games. So, it is better than any VR controllers, and better than any gamepad.
@@vyacheslavm2168non-sequitur logic. Anybody that has used index controllers knows why they’re the best. This doesn’t have the strap that lets you not actively hold the controller with your fingers wrapped around it.
Ever since SAO ( sword art online ), I've been waiting for some next level VR headset the anime was set in 2020, 5 years have past since then still waiting😭😭
You thought we would have full dive vr by now? Lol do you realize how crazy that tech is? Neuralink hasn't even started real testing. We might have a similar technology by 2040, maybe.
same
@@deluge6479 You are still too optimistic, imo. Not only neural tech needs to develop way further for full dive - it also needs to become commercially viable for consumers. Maybe 2060-2080.
@nyaatell I don't think we'll be there by 2080 either, not even close. Full dive is likely not happening this century. There are so many hurdles we need to cross, and we've not really even started touching those hurdles yet.. Neural Link is about the level of tech right now as nuclear power was in the 1890s. When people assumed there had to be some very small building blocks that constitute the matter we see around us, but had no idea what it was. That's about where we are in terms of neural interfacing. We've literally gotten absolutely nowhere, and we've spent a LONG time getting here.
We've experimented on monkeys with Brain Computer Interfaces since the late 60s... That's 60 years and we're still nowhere near anything of actual value to the masses. I remember learning about BCI on the TV program Beyond 2000 back in the mid 90s. They were about where we are today back then... Progress has been unbelievably slow.
We're easily 80+ years away. It's very likely humanity will be struggling with survival by the time our technological knowhow would realistically give us these products. I genuinely think it's never going to happen. A set of glasses will always be so much cheaper and safer than drilling into people's skulls/blasting brains with whatever we come up with to create images and sensory stimuli that will makes us believe we're somewhere else.
Just imagine the graphical power we could pump out in 2050... A tiny little compute device could have raytracing that makes fully rendered movie-level CG quality at 10k by 10k on 180 degree displays EASY. There's no reason for full dive at that point. We'll have some neural interfacing that will give you some basic sensations by then, but we're not going to be beaming visuals into our brains that would match 2x 10K screens.
Now imagine the graphics and tech we have in 2080... There's just never going to be a real good time or reason to go for full dive. It's one of those sci-fi things that will remain sci-fi. Like wormholes and star wars style laser rifles where the light moves slower than bullets. Some things SEEM cool but kinda aren't feasible.
Well sao level doesnt seem likely anytime soon but ready player one seems closer, we already have most of the foundations we just need a lot of polish and upgrades and be affordable
Quest 3 is a hussle to wear. I hope they can make the headset in 2 parts where one you can put away and reach wirelessly and one part on your head
8:46 Meta planned to release a Vision Pro competitor with LG, but they couldn’t come to an agreement with LG, and LG refused. Then there was news that LG would release its own VR headset, without Meta. And then, there was news that LG abandoned the plan to make even its own VR headset. And Bosworth said that Meta will not release VR headsets more expensive than $1000 anymore. This means that until Meta finds a new partner, the Quest Pro 2 will not appear.
10:50 Maybe not “MeganeX 2”, but “MeganeX Superlight”?
Also, a very interesting VR headset with 8K screens is not mentioned - “Play For Dream MR”. This is very similar to Vision Pro by all its features, but it has controllers and supports SteamVR. It was supposed to be released in December 2024, but they didn’t have time. Most likely, it will be released first, of the entire generation of 8K headsets, at the very beginning of 2025.
All of these headsets NEED inside out tracking AND Oled screens! It needs to be standerd! Vr games change when you have an oled screen it’s 100x more immersive
Got the PS vr2 for Christmas, it’s pretty fun. Would be cool to see more solid games get a vr release.
I got mine a few months ago and I've also been having a good time. Just got Gran Turismo 7 and it's awesome. There are some good looking games to look forward to next year, like Hitman World of Assassination, Arken Age, Aces of Thunder, and Wanderer: Fragments of Fate just to name a few.
And Sony's still working on it. They recently showed off a demo of PSVR 2 doing hand-tracking, and they've been adding other software stuff in the background. They're also working on getting their AI-upscaling tech (PSSR) from the PS5 Pro working with PSVR 2, which could make a huge difference in games (and maybe force me to buy a Pro 😢).
I am developing VR app. To be honest 2024 felt like a rough year. Hope things change from 2025.
@@Rangesh-tp9ys I hope they do too! I have a good feeling
It only felt like a rough year to people that thought it was the year it was going to take off, and it wasn't.
Some people don't have intuition.
I agree that 2025 will be a big year for VR for all the reasons stated, plus this year I will be updating my top rated VR Theme Park with the Haunted Castle Dark Ride which is by far the most detailed, longest and ambitious haunted dark ride ever. Cannot wait to share as I know many other theme park fans like myself are going to love it.
Im loving my quest 3 and the quest whether you hate meta or not I feel did more than most for vr. Im ready for the steam headset
I am currently using a
Samsung HMD Odyssey + which runs on Windows Mixed Reality. I thought I have a limited , never to be seen again Samsung VR headset, and now THIS
I think meta needs to lean into vr games in the ads, nobody uses it to watch movies or use office tools enough compared to gaming
RV glasses problems to tackle: 1) make the headset comfortable. weight and ocular fatigue, it is imperative to reduce the weight (eg, putting the power/control unit somewhere else, even a short cable would be ok as long as we do not need to have all the stuff over our heads) so the visor is light enough to be comfortable, also improve the "focus" issue that do not allows us to be as relax as in the real world. 2) motion sickness (develop new ways of tackling this problem), i put it second cause weight affects all the experiences and motion sickness just some of them. 3) haptics... this can help with point 2 anf it would move the experience to the next level. And then, of course, with time, improve the resolution... but this is already being achived and for me, no a deal breaker ad we can survive with cartoon images as virtual worlds, no need to be 100% real, one day it would be, but in the meanwhile we can enjoy the ride if it is comfortable and immersive enough.
I was planning to buy myself quest 3 for Christmas, I didn't, but now I think I'll wait for decard.
Amazingly quality content.It feels like i'm watching a youtuber like thrill seeker. Amazing content equal, if not better.
@@noahkirkpatrick8912 thank you
Great video!
Also the immersed visor will ship. It'll be open for devs to sideload
People focus so much on new headsets and new features to save vr when in reality we just need more and better games, especially games with good progression, or an actual good vr mmo. Games that keep people coming back.
I would love to know your thoughts around immersed and the Visor product that everyone is waiting for?
Im skeptical
I want 2025 to be where someone finally makes a compelling upgrade for my quest 2
quest 3 lenses are much better, but wouldnt say better enough to be worth upgrading
quest 3 tracking is shit with the new camera layout anytime you lift your hands you lose tracking
@googleslocik My main feature for upgrade is eye tracking, I think I would've upgraded to a quest 3 if it had it, or would've bought the psvr2 if the eye tracking worked
But the cheapest eye tracking headset is around the $1000 which doesn't make sense to me
They made one already, it's called the quest 3 lol. Pancake lenses, better resolution, better processor, battery, ring less controllers, color passthrough. Hell even the 3S is an upgrade. What do you Mean lmao
@deluge6479 that can be compelling to you, not to me, my next headset MUST have eye Tracking for various reasons, mainly foveated rendering with OpenXR toolkit
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Also worse tracking and very bad noisy low iso cameras.
Angle resolution is probably same or lower since the higher fov makes negates the higher panel resolution.
Its better, but not by that much.
Just like nuclear fusion, vr is always on the cusp. The reality is that its always gonna be a tiny niche, if it exists at all. Any delusions i had of a big vr popoff has long evaporated. You guys are just behind the curve
It's gonna pop off, it's just not going to take over gaming. I don't think that was ever in the cards, realistically.
10-15 years from now I don't really see people sitting on the couch playing on a 2d screen though. That would be weird seeing as we'll have extremely light headsets at that point, and wide FOV.. If you need to buy a 180 inch screen to compete with a Ready Player One style visor, people are probably going to go with the visor...
Only reason I don't play more is literally comfort.
I think VR is going to take off waaaaaaay before fusion though. We've never been on the cusp of fusion. We are so far away it's just depressing as hell. Most realistic view on fusion is that it's going to come far too late for us to solve anything with fusion. By the time fusion is functional, we'll either have reached tipping points where the world is in total war over territory as most of the equatorial region is uninhabitable due to constant natural disasters, or we'll have solved the climate crisis in some other way and fusion will just be a nice addition.
There are so many reasons why fusion won't work with our current tech (the reactors literally just melt cause we have no material that can withstand the temps) whereas for VR it's pretty much just comfort. Hell, if VR manufacturers stop shoving everything into the headset itself we could have had Bigscreen Beyond style mobile headsets with processing pucks by now. But VR manufacturers keep stuffing everything into the headset as if it makes sense to do that...
Anyways....
I have an Pico 4 Ultra. I can download ordinary android apps today and run Spotify, IPTV, World of tanks blitz,streaming services, X, Instagram, Firefox and so on. Sure, they're not made for VR, but they work.
I played Xbox through the Xbox app on my Pico yesterday. While reading news next to it.
@@Thompalainen noice
Man i would LOVE a hybrid like the one you are talking about
@Iverbakkewestgaard me too
I'm waiting eagerly to see what headsets are coming out soon, meanwhile dreading the impending demise of my Reverb G2. My only wish is that the new Valve headset has the option to be powered and plugged into a pc too. For sim racers and flight sim guys there is little to no benefit to wireless but a massive downside to batteries dying mid race/flight. Fingers crossed there's a headset that caters to that.
I'd love to go with Valve just for the bug free Steam VR integration, the fighting between WMR and Steam VR along with the various protocols is my biggest problem with the G2... Oh, except for the ticking clock on it becoming e-waste of course.
I’m waiting for the car headset full fov 220 degrees with 32k oled lens per eye. That would be closer to reality.
I was thinking about that too like 2025 will be peak for VR.
Great video.
Do you have a link to this interview with Gabe you keep showing clips from? I'm not finding it (or maybe not recognizing it) for some reason.
@@refisherdesktop ruclips.net/video/CdjNYsLXPOg/видео.htmlsi=NfhxW44cNjD5_7Gf
Yeah if the Deckard will be released anything like the Steam Deck they‘ll announce it this year and maybe ship it next year.
Don’t forget the Pimax Super and Somnium VR1…although VR1 is technically “released” but shipping super super slow not not to the US yet.
I know pax doesn’t have the greatest track record, but they are releasing TWO headsets next year. January is the Crystal Super with a 58ppd QLED panel and the panels are swappable with a lower ppd but higher fov qled and an oled panel too, how cool is that??? I just hope they get it right. I got mine on preorder. I might cancel it or sell it if the Deckard is real with better specs but tbh if its a hybrid device I’m not very interested in it at all, unless the battery is swappable, or it fully supports lighthouse and pcvr.
VR has been great for a few years now
Look at the "big screen" . It looks awesome and you can get it now for 1k.
Wonder if it's code-named 'Roy' based on the Rick and Morty game in Blips and Chitz?
Still waiting for something that is better than my Oculus Rift on all fronts...
No rings on the controllers nooooooooooooo! Nob on the back nooooooooooooo! Standalone noooo!
I've been using a Valve Index since 2020 and it's been awesome but it's wearing out and more than a little outdated. I'd like to get the Deckard when it comes out but that depends on my Index holding out for another year.
Should I get an rtx 5080 (currently got 3070) or do I get a quest 3 😢
The 5080 hasn't been announced yet, so we need to wait and see. I'm also making an educated guess that the 5080 will be over $1000 minimum, so it'll probably be over double the price of a Quest 3.
@@superhawk89215080 will be out late January and yes. It will be 1000$ - 1500$ and the 5090 coming in the beginning of February will be 1900$ - 2000$
The Deckard has to be released soon because the micro OLED displays from BOE are ready now.
The Shiftall meganx superlight 8k ships in February -march, Shiftall 2 you mentioned
ARM powers Proton? Proton is a compatibility layer that translates windows applications for Linux operating systems. ARM is an instruction set architecture like x86 64bit or RISC-V. Also the steam deck uses x86 not ARM to my knowledge. It's a custom built AMD chip.
Don't forget Mac VR gaming made a comeback
All i care about is fov and resolution, as i only play pc-vr. So as long as there isnt a new headset that is better than pico 4 i wont buy another.
Just give me a index 2 with glas lenses and a more up2date resolution. 😢
I can smell a new video soon.
@Ferdlsh me too
And its a big one 👀
seeing is believing, I'm still unsure that next year will be the year for VR.
Why are they so obsessed in having EVERYTHING in the headset? I'm perfectly fine having something connected to the headset (to make it light as possible) and having hardware like CPU etc on your back. This is mobile in every form, and you can expand the battery capacity a lot by doing it this way too. Current technologies aren't anywhere close to making a headset with everything included which downgrades performance at least 10x.
We will not see a complete headset that is maybe doable in say 20 years, they have to solve size, performance and efficiencies etc, and ofc battery capacity to get it up to the level we want. We're not there yet, not even close.
I think AR is the future which will combine the best from VR and PC/streaming together that will be connected to your phone or another device in some shape or form too.
If you have a good PC, then buy a VR headset and hook it up directly or use WIFI and enjoy what we got. Or you may just end up dying before even enjoying any of it ;) among other things.
I'm just waiting to buy any new hardware that Valve announces.
Hopefully, the new headsets utilize the new quantum chip. Then it can tap into the multiverse too. 😂
and then me still on htc vive 1.0, I started with forte vfx1 and vfx3d then vuzix 920 and wrap1200 so vive just still seems perfect to me, but have been thinking of wireless quest 3 now especially since i picked up 2 vr SU2000 90's mall vr machines I could use them with while I restore the old pc. are the Valve vr set ups made to be both wireless and connected to pc like quest 3 does is my biggest question if so I can wait year to upgrade.
I'm ALL for the VR/AR/XR future, but I really only see VR getting wider adoption when we have something priced like the Quest 3s and a form factor aligned with the Bigscreen Beyond (as you said - more like glasses). It's exciting to see what Google, Samsung and Valve doing. Apple is somewhat missing the mark completely by pricing themselves out of the conversation - but I also see them potentially suprising us in the next 2-3 years.
Definitely optimistic, but I can already feel like this is another year of feeling 'let down' by mass adoption. Another 'THIS is the year of VR/MR'
Wish I had known before getting quest 3. I upgraded from ole Dell MXR headset which was still working for me but, the facial foam was ruined. However, I feel there is stuff the MXR did that the Quest 3 and 3s dont even do such as the portal and multi windows including instant destktop link to view. However, its been freeing to not always have a cable attached with Q3 and really enjoying the pancake lenses. The setup was pretty intense however, to get properly set up and connected to pc and get sidequest on etc.
However, it feels more about the UI than hardware to me apart from as said the lens difference, so a software vs hardware if you will. I was interested more in the Mixed reality side but, apart from couple of room based games seen nothing too impressive.
I guess what Im really looking for could be what is coming. Especially in regards to google maps and googles ecosystem. I was hoping to get it on meta in mixed reality but, that never gonna happen especially now if it even had any chance previous.
What we need however, is NOT this XR headset although im sure will be kinda kool etc. etc. What I have with meta is enough for me right now in what I can do and although some things I cant are frustrating I wont be upgrading till the point its all in a pair of sunglasses or a contact lens. I know we have the meta raybans and the mata glasses coming but, we need something as cheap as the 3s but, in light wearable glasses form without even having the big thick arms etc. Decent hardware as processor and oleds built in. Plus a decent OS and we need improvements in batteries to handle the power requirements and last longer than an hour or 2. Have camera built in but, have the Immersive experience built in too - as in like transitions (go dark) sure we will have light leakage unless putting a bag over your head but, it would be decent enough to sit somewhere out of direct sunlight and watch a movie without having to put the apple style current vr ski goggles on. Something that blends in as said perhaps contact lens offe better option for going dark over eyes to make immersive.
However, what it needs also is the suite that currently only google offers such as mail and youtube and maps etc. to be like a 3D HUD in Mixed Reality. So you really can ask the built in Ai or allow keyboard for air tapping to input address etc. and then guide you to your destination without anyone else knowing or seeing and you looking normal just perhaps with arrows on the street guiding you to where you need to get to. This would be more useful than google earth in a big enclosed horsebag strapped to your face. A lot of what google can offer is productivity and just link in phone stuff, like able to call with audio and video, sure facebook so messenger and whatsapp are metas but, with it being android and google - sure there will be similar and we will have all our comms in one sleek device plus be able to play too as well as watch a movie and as said perhaps like the quest - tap the side and the glasses go dark tine and we get more immersive. Ai be built in and obviously mic and cam, eye tracking, oled screens etc.
We are getting there and will but, give it another 5 years imo. Our biggest problem to overcome it battery capacity and power usage as well as cooling. No good having any of this looking like feed back strapped to face, plus lasts only an hour and gets hot too when being used. Perhaps a nano cold fusion reactor ? lol
Holy rant batman
Quest 3 with bad head straps from beginning - no go to give people a good experience. And all those bad Pimax headsets will ruin yet some people’s experiences and wallets. Along with nvidias greed - cause you need best gpu for new headsets - so NO - it does not look good
You don't need a new high end gpu to play your steam library. Steamdeck has proven that
It's funny how it's all really just started. Google/Samsung coming in should light a fire under Metas ass properly this time (sorry vision pro) and if we get the deckard as well!! It's gonna get crazy.
Oh yeh i forgot, vr is dead my bad😂
Abandoning light house is a deal breaker 4 me
Samsung's Android XR headset is not running the same XR2 as the Quest 3. It's the XR2+ Gen 2, not the XR2 Gen 2. I know Qualcomm's naming is confusing, but it's a significantly more powerful chip than in the Quest 3.
@@SargonDragon ah my bad, well that's good news!!
Nobody is more ready to buy a Valve Deckard than the guy behind this channel. He might even buy multiple 😭
P.s. I feel the same
Proton ARM is not ready. i want to be wrong, but i don't think i am. it'll likely be an AMD semicustom chip, like the Steam Deck. SteamVR has a lot of work to go for Proton ARM VR.
and ARM does not power Proton, its purely X86 on its own. Box86 or FEX can make it run on ARM, but its not ideal. Proton_ARM has the FEX developer working on it directly, and she's incredibly talented, but not prototype to final product in a year level. no one is, with such a complicated problem.
I think in the long term all of Meta’s AR/VR endeavors will fizzle out into nothing, they don’t have the apps that matter. Don’t get me wrong I love my quest 3 (for gaming), but will ditch it immediately when the Apple Vision Pro becomes more affordable.
1:25 Meta OS?
Perhabs a better example would be Windows Mixed Reality?
I bet one hundeed thousand that that Pimax Air is net ready for release in May 25
I wish i didn't get into VR because now i can't stand going back to PC games 😅
I'm speculating / making an educated guess. But I think google is in it for the long haul with AndroidXR.
Google has a reputation for abandoning products, google+ & stadia come to mind and there are probably more. But a lot of VR is already based on android, and google are relatively good stewards of android, and it's probably something that is growing mostly in house. Google has so much money they buy up other companies and take big risks and then just pull out if they aren't making huge profits.
But I don't think that's what this is. It's a more foundational strategy to get the play store on more devices just like with phones. And I don't mind buying hardware from Samsung and getting my OS from google with my phone, so for VR I think it'll work out okay.
I also have the belief that VR will only get way bigger over time, so I'm optimistic about companies putting real investment into the space.
Opera shit was annoying to be honest was a solid vid aside from that nearly earned my sub
Do people still think that apple vision pro is the best headset? Even regarding resolution it just had a draw with another headset the day it was released. And the only advantage it has is standalone. Is it just because of publicity that headsets try to compare to the apple vision pro, a headset no one seems to use?
Vr won’t take of mainstream uniil they make a headset way lighter and more comfortable. Nobody I know can wear it more than an hour without complaining of it.
This is all new tech. This should not be treated as traditional competition. VR games exclusives are so dumb! The focus should be on growing the pie not choking off an already niche customer base. Valve and Meta need to welcome each other into the space as this grows the customer adoption
Ces 2025 cming soon cant wait
I actually just want to see a new PCVR Index 2: High FOV, Full-Body tracking through Lighthouse AND new Tracker "mix". Finger tracking with sleek controllers "or" hands only. Eye tracking. Headset-size similar to Bigscreen Beyond. Maybe even Lipsync tracking. $1500 / 1700 € max for the full package. To be honest: Is it too much to ask for? Why does literally nobody come up with exact these features? One got nice FOV but no Eye track. Others get eye track but no precise finger track. I never bought the original Index for several reasons, like issues with controllers, high price, etc. For now, I am using a Quest 3 since my Samsung WMR headset was pure pain. -- I sincerely hope that PCVR with Lighthouse is not dead - yet.
"To be honest: Is it too much to ask for?" Yes.
I mean, that would be cool, but the tech isn't there yet. You're basically asking for a headset roughly the size of the smallest, lightest one on the market, that also contains larger lenses (for a bigger FOV), and a bunch of tech that can't fit in its form factor, for a cost significantly lower than what those components would cost individually (the BSB costs $1K and that doesn't even include controllers or Lighthouse stations). Something's gotta give. It would either be bigger/heavier than you want, or cost significantly more than you want, or probably both. At least for the next few years or so.
And price is the big issue. If you look at the history of VR, the market has always been dominated by the cheapest headset to give decent VR results. That's why PSVR 1 outsold every other headset significantly until the Quest 2 arrived, and the Quest 2 destroyed it and everything else. Most people who are buying into VR either haven't tried it before, or have only tried it briefly. They're taking a leap of faith, and the higher the price tag, the fewer people will jump.
The closest thing to what you're describing is the Apple Vision Pro, and look how big it was, how much it cost, and how well it sold.
VR tech will get there eventually, but what you're looking for is still years off.
@@GreyMatterShades Yeah, I agree - the sizing still is a big topic. I slight agree on tech.. though.. by end of the day.. yes its a lot of parts but you can build an DIY eye tracker for example for under 100 bucks. The Meta Quest Pro has Eye tracking, but not Quest 3 and 3S - while the 3S has some infrared sensor that Q3 and maybe even Pro is missing. Overall these parts might all still fit into the case of a Q3 (or Q4). Since the price for the 3S is less than Q3 and pro and mass production on eye tracking should not cost a lot in terms of parts, the pricing of an Q4 headset with both could stay the same as Q3. I know Meta can dump the price a lot, but the price of parts probably differ by a few cent or dollar compared to PCVR headset manufacturing. There is also no reason for HTC to still sell their Index for the original price. If it would cost a third less, many more people may buy it and increase the profit. Pimax should stop just building 25 other headsets and then try to justify their over the top pricings with "oh yeah inventing new headsets cost money". They may stick with one high end and one budget headset for a while..raising their customer base -- And if I see it from a game-dev perspective, I would build my own headset in a very modular way from the beginning that may allow up/downgrading features. There is a company producing an eye tracker addon for Quest3 atm for 140 bucks, slim and becomes part of a visor replacement. Why does it need a third party company coming up with that idea? I have the feeling that many VR headset developers have no idea what they want to do with it or what the consumer really needs. Meta on Top 1 not knowing, but guessing that Meta Worlds is the hot skit and pushing money into it, while ignoring VRChats established presence completly. Top 2 Apple being Apple and hurting the whole market because many jump on the train that they could sell a $750 VR Headset for $2000 now because the 1$ Flanell-Strap got reinvented by advertisement-frogs.
What makes the Vr game developers think floating hands attached to nothing realistic? Thats the dumbest thing ive seen. Until they resolve the issues making it look so stupid i won't both with vr. I keep seeing this in vr games and don't get it
There is actually NO WAY that I would ever buy headset running Windows on it. My personal despise against Microsoft wouldn't allow it. So just like I bought Steam Deck and not any other Windows handheld. My money would go to Deckard.
I always hate the air tight face cascade cover in VR/AR headsets. It gets fogging quite easily in certain situation due to different air temperature. Most of the strap design in VR/AR headset is as good as the 90th era weight in the face strapping. Weight is not the only problem, is the design of the strap which is so old solution which need to be modernized.
Such great technology and is the best 21st century for sure but it needs to improve in the listed area not just specs
Best actually purchasable HMD wasn't even mentioned here
MeganeX 8k Ultralight
Look it up. Might suit you.
@a5cent Still uses air tight cascade like Beyond and other headsets with even a boring lazy strap because it is light weight so they think they can get away with no improvement.
Like I said, weight is not the main problem of why is awkward to wear these thing. The lack of strap design innovation and face cascade are also the big problem
@@toututu2993
Sounds like you only have experience with the low-end VR trash?
Weight absolutely is an issue for anyone using these things for more than 30 minutes. A lighter headset can be mounted using fewer pressure points, and that means less sweating and less weight your neck must support. It's the main ingredient to long term comfort.
I've never had issues with my lenses fogging up. That being said, I think you're missing something:
Because the HMD puts no weight on a person's face at all, you can just take face gasket off and have nothing touching your face at all, with full air flow between your face and the HMD, as if you weren't even wearing one. If that's not good enough for you, nothing ever will be.
Of course you then need to block out light in some other way, so this only works in a very dark room, but because the MeganX 8k uses Lighthouses rather than inside-out tracking, that is also possible.
No other headset out there can do this.
@@a5cent You sound like you think the strapping solution for most of the VR/AR headset of the time of this writing are perfect, and cannot be improved.
There is a way to avoid light leakage without having to block all the outside airs like swimmimg googles ya know
Valve Index works well for me in Beat Saber. The only other headset I've tried for this purpose is Samsung Odyssey and that one becomes unplayable very quickly. In this case light leakage + spongy face gasket becomes a feature not a bug.
And, if and when these headsets release in 2025...my biggest concerns will always be the software, the price, the long term post launch support and...the GAMES‼️🤔🧐 By now we should already be playing Half Life Alyx 2's new game plus mode and its dlc. I'm positive all these headsets will be designed for more than just gaming..But that's all I want any of them for. I want a constant flood of top tier Vr/Ar Games and next level mind blown Experiences‼️This year we got Metro, Behemoth, Batman and Aliens just to name a few. Sequels to our best Vr games so far are few and far between and that includes post launch content and patches. What Valve and Samsung both are doing sounds exciting to me. But I'd love for Valve to have a slate of Vr games to look forward to that won't take forever to release. I'm shocked that the Index is still $1000 after taxes. I hope the Quest 4 goes above and beyond what we've seen so far in Vr/Ar gaming. I hope all future Vr/Ar games established a high graphical standard and nothing below that. With all these headsets and their tech we still need gaming devs who are dedicated to making quality games that'll make Half Life Alyx, Batman, Metro and 2024 Vr games look like Ps2 games. Just my personal opinions from a gaming consumer. I have the Index, Oculus Rift,G2, Psvr1&2, Steamdeck, Ps5, and a Pc with an MSI RTX 4090.
Look at Mr big bucks over here
jesus christ, just give us the 12k already.
Meta is Android based already. Not even loosely. It's practically an Android phone.
What is tha game at 3:40 - star wars....
@@AQUASURF yes
Star Wars Tales from the galaxy’s edge, the DLC missions, is like an expansion pack and is what makes this game. It’s on Quest and I think PS VR2.
@@steffendetrick It is on PSVR 2, yes. On that platform it's just bundled into the main game, not a separate purchase.
It's a Meta commercial for Star Wars Tales From the Galaxy's Edge. The commercial is highly deceptive though, as the real game doesn't look nearly that good (especially on Quest 2). I've heard it's a good game though, just don't expect those graphics.
@GreyMatterShades yeah I thought it was, I have a PS VR 2 but I had already played it on the quest so I never really looked into it, but I thought I remember seeing it. But after looking into it, it came out on the quest in 2020 and on the PS VR 2 in 2022, which makes sense because the DLC was already released by the time it came to the PS VR2. But it’s also $39.99 on the PS VR2 so it comes out to the same.
If Google releases a headset with the same chip that the Quest 3 uses, with displays with AVP levels of resolution, I'm gonna laugh. That's going to be the slowest headset on the market if it has to push that many pixels. It's going to be WAY crappier than the Quest 3 aside from the displays... That will max out at 72hz because no game can be run any faster than that on the XR2 Gen2 chip at 4Kx2...
I don't think people fully realize just how much faster the AVP is than the Quest... There's a fricken M chip in those goggles, that's kinda what it takes to drive displays with that level of resolution. The AVP has 3.5 tflops, the Quest 3 has 2.4. Tflops isn't everything, but it does indicate the amount of polys and pixels that can be used in games. So Google is making an AVP killer that's 30% slower... And it's Android AND it's a first gen device AND is made by google, so it's going to pretty much be a Devkit type headset that will be abandoned within the next 6-12 months... So you get all that crap on top of the low performing chips...
People should absolutely not get onto the Google XR platform before they've proven that they're in it for the long haul. Google literally does not give a CRAP about its customers. One of the worst companies in the world, far worse than Meta.
All in all, I think Google jumping into this space is going to be a net negative. Facebook/meta isn't great... Google isn't great.. All these "not-great" companies jumping onto the VR bandwagon is going to make VR looks lamer to the average joe.
On top of that, Valve might release a headset next year, and now that Valve's image is RAPIDLY deteriorating by people at large FINALLY acknowledging that they've been letting kids gamble for a damn decade now AND they're essentially just a middleman that sucks up 30% of indie devs profits while only taking 15% from the AAA studios, that's also not going to be great for VR... Good Guy Gabe is a myth..
Not to be a debbie downer or anything.. But I think much of the stuff we in the VR community are excited about will ultimately make VR look less appealing to people. Especially when the Valve headset turns out to be 1200 bucks and you need a Steamdeck in addition to that or some such craziness...