FRANK ZAPPA "THE PURPLE LAGOON" reaction
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
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A perfect live moment to like Jazz when you don't like jazz ! Viva Zappa and the Brecker brothers and friends on the stage
Now you're talking - Brecker brothers (horns) - Terry Bozzio (drums) & Patrick O'Hearn on bass - if I'm not mistaken - Marimba was Ruth
Yep, also Dave Samuels on additional mallets and percussion.
The late great Michael Brecker on sax. Terry Bozzio on drums. This has been on my playlist for years.
Patric O'Hearn, my fave Zappa bass player is shining here :) I just love both the style and the sound. This is also the tour where Zappa used the Brecker Brothers (sax and trumpet). Ronnie Cuber on barritone sax and the legend Terry Bozzio + Ruth Underwood (perc) and Eddie Jobson on keys and violin (also a legend btw).
And Tom Malone also plays trombone here. The same guy that played in the David Letterman orchestra and in Blues Brothers.
@Zolar Czakl Ok, i didn't know that. Thanx for the info.
Thanks for all the info!
Well Put!
Zappa,during late 75 thru end of 76,was in the process of putting together the most perfect band he ever had, ironically after firing the Roxy and elsewhere crew, causing a few on this channel to cry with agony!! BOO HOO.
This was the beginning of the creation of "PRIME ZAPPA".
Those "other" mediocrity posters, who deliberately skipped giving this era any top merit, thinking it was a cheap commercial attempt by Frank to make fun of the record companies during the entire Bozzio era, trying to justify the before and after bands, inaccurately believing they were more successful or better, or, as one of them said, more organic, thinking their opinion had any merit when he doesn't even know the key signature of a D major scale!
Something I learned at 8 yrs old.. Shame on you with your organic insult. This is the most organic frank ever.
ON this album, he even plays SOFA.
Purple lagoon was during the TERRY ERA, and was one of the most original "organic" compositions frank ever wrote along with his best drummer ever. Just listen to those time signature changes, boys.
They were so "butt hurt" that Frank fired Nap, Duke and Thompson,for a MUCH BETTER BAND , and best drummer he ever had,not just the most entertaining but the best drummer Zappa ever had before and after(so much better than sloppy Vinny!), that these butt hurt guys MISSED THE ENTIRE PRIME ZAPPA ERA , crying that the Roxy crew was over and thinking COlaiuta was this god of drums ,when he was god of SLOPPY PLAYING.
They totally missed the boat crying in their pillows!
Now,we have to re educate them with hidden musical treasures they never heard before ,like the 10/28 guitar solos of 1977.I have much more.
I'm still a bit insulted that Sifa thought that was Ansley DUMB BAR,on drums.
Dan, How could your partner make such a mistake , since this performance was Christmas week 1976 and the drumming was CLASSIC TERRY!
Jazz,rock,heavy metal,EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING, even classical,if needed.
Sifa, Don't be like peter K and Mr. R. with their misinformed info. Dont take much what they say about this era, at face value. You guys got DUPED by those three guys.
Bottom line fact:
Terry was franks BEST DRUMMER,not just his most entertaining. Bozzio backed up some of the greatest jazz musicians ever and in odd time signatures, if needed. Not just playing commerical songs to insult record companies,Peter K.
@Zolar Czakl Ok, Thanks for the info. 'My Sharona! We grooved to that song for a few years. Didn't Zappa copy catter Weird Al write a spoof type song, referencing My Sharona?
The Brecker Brothers guys! Michael Brecker played saxophone.
He died in 2007. Randy plays trumpet. And that’s Patrick O’Hearn on bass.
The Brecker Brothers on brass, Patrick O'Hearn & Bozzio (of course) on drums... (the Black Page gigs....!)
Thanks for the info Emmanuel!
I believe Michael Brecker was either using an early MIDI-style horn that could play multiple notes at a time, or an effect that transposed the note into other notes (like a harmonizer on a guitar). So the horn solos were true solos - individual players.
As others have noted, the drummer was "little skinny Terry Ted Bozzio", bass was Patrick O'Hearn, the Brecker brothers on horns and Ruth Underwood on vibes (she may have overdubbed those though and not been there live).
Ruth was present at the gigs - it's a shame we no longer have the raw tapes to prove it (they used to be on RUclips before the copyright nazis struck).
And the electronic treatments on the horns were definitely added after the fact - see my other comment!
Wonderful, Wonderful! The most Z of Zappa. Had this as my phone ring-tone for several years. Seriously.
In the first part, Frank removes what we thought we knew about music; erased - pulled - out of our minds. Then glorious jazz sax poured in to replace that gaping hole, then some Frank g'tar. What more could you want? :)
Hm. This was composed. Written down. Rehearsed. Insane! ...and sometimes Frank would pull the audience's leg. Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny.
:) the whole Zappa in New York album is a blast!
Nice reaction, nice groove you had going there, Sifa!
OF COURSE THEY GROOVED.
ITS THE BOZZIO ERA!!!!
AND THEY HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD HIS METAL SOUNDING SONGS FROM SHEIK YER BOUTI AND ZOOT ALLURES YET, EXCEPT FOR THE TORTURE NEVER STOPS from ZOOT ,WHICH DAN ALREADY PROCLAIMED IS ONE OF HIS FAVORITE ZAPPA SONGS!
Xlerb, go right now and listen to 28/10 zappa guitar solos,second show start with.Torture never stops to wild love.
your toes will curl up and the hair on the back of your neck will stand on end!!
Thanks so much for your commentary!
lol. So i am not the only one .
Gesus how I miss these shows. Frank would lead the band in these long improvised jazz pieces. Heaven live. I also saw them do this live at SNL.
Great horn section for the Live In NY album. Great everything. Bozzio and Underwood banging percussion together. This also had Eddie Jobson who only spent a couple of years with Zappa, and later went on to found "supergroup" UK, with John Wetton of King Crimson and the phenomenal guitarist Allan Holdsworth. Just a great freakin' piece for Frank to just let the phenomenal band he had jam. Blessings.
I love listening to this and black Napkins while watching a basketball game. The music fits the ebs and flows of a game. It takes many many listens to get it. And it's live which is crazy.
You know you are really into Zappa when you like stuff like this!
When my son was in fourth grade and came home with a trumpet thinking that was an instrument he would pick up I put this song on and he blew into it along with the horn solos. It actually sounded pretty good.
I remember i got a trumpet from school band when my youngest sister was 2 months old and my older sister was minding her while mom worked...My sister took that trumpet and smashed it on the ground and then launched it on to the roof of the house...I never did take that horn back to school....and my sister got her sleep.
😮!
The horns are in fact the SNL horn section 1976. The concert(s) from the Zappa in NY album coincided w. His first appearance on SNL winter ‘76. The horns asked to take part in the concerts following FZ’s appearance. Frank spent the week writing charts for them during rehearsals right up to their first concert. So basically they were sight-reading their asses off(!).
Tery Bozzio on drums, Ruth Underwood on marimbas and percussion, Patrick O'Hearn on bass, the Brecker Brothers on sax (Mike) and trumpet (Randy). Also, the SNL horn section with Tom Malone on trombone and Lou Marini on alto sax; not to mention FZ on guitar.
Sifa, I'm disappointed with you, after all these posts I constantly present facts about Bozzio?
Ansley DUMB BAR??? Are you kidding .You just insulted Terry.
This is the great TERRY BOZZIO! Franks all around best drummer and best fit for his most popular era,mid 75-early 78;Lets study that period.
Dumb Bar and chester couldn't hold terry's jock strap!
You now need to create a channel on just the Zappa and Terry era, because the facts are still not being understood by you guys and those three stooges.
Let me clarify it about Zappa.
Mid 75-early 78 was franks best era, particularly late 77,early 78,with Bozzio on drums. Not just the drummer ,but franks choice of compositions,pop songs,that SOLD, and musical guitar soloing.
Shut up and play yer guitar set was 80% aberration and sloppy drumming with all types of mental masturbation sloppy polyrhythms.
Vince trying to act like a rock drummer,when he's pure jazz only.Even his kit was cr*p.
You forgot the samurai John Belushi on tenor sax!
@@globextradingsystemsllc1740 Belushi is not on this recording. He takes part of a skit with Frank on the SNL stage. This was recorded at the Palladium.
Thanks for the details Marc!
"Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life". Do Zappa's cover of "Stairway To Heaven". He had a great big horn section for that band too. It's the best band you never heard because his prostate cancer interrupted the tour after the European leg and a spare few east coast concerts. It was his last rock tour. Blessings.
I thought he butchered stairway in that version.Ike willis was not desirable.Adrian belew and ray white were much better suited for Frank.
Frank disbanded the '88 band because it imploded, demanding he fire "clonemeister", Scott Thunes...instead of replacing him, he fired the entire band and, according to Frank, took a 200K loss due to cancelled dates.
@@raymonddricker974 I heard Ed Mann had something to do with that.
The brass and woodwind section's ego's, along with Roxy original, Bruce Fowler, bursted when Thunes became "acting Frank" after Zappa had to do other important things at the time. They didn't want to follow scott's leadership.
Bozzio - drums, R. Brecker sax ... the best sax solo ever!
Oh yeh! This is a full Zappa meal. And spicy too. Black Page rivalling percussion + marimba madness. Love the tone of the Patric O'Hearne bass. And what is that after? A Sax? Sick! Great reaction. Go Wayne H!
The late jazz great Ronnie Cuber on baritone.
Check out the Brecker Bros Heavy Metal Be Bop album.....also featuring Terry Bozzio on drums.
Randy on trumpet, Michael on sax.....
Your smile at the beginning of the guitar solo, Dan, is the same like mine - everytime I listen to this gorgeous piece of art. 🙋♂️🙂🙋♂️
Pieces like this one, Frank would conduct the band members…and probably smoke a cigarette while at it.
So Rock n Roll!
Absolute masterpiece!
This song and black napkins off the same recording take many listens to get it I'm glad you guys tried once
The guitar was improvised back in the studio. On a whim. Blew everyone away.
Terry Bozzio groovin like hell in 7/8
Wow so glad you got to this track, one of my favorites. As already been stated great horns, bass and percussion. Thanks for playing it, brought back a lot of memories. Thanks for the reaction.✌️❤️😊
Brecker on Sax and Bozzio on drums.
Really wish there was a video of this whole compilation. You are the 1st to react to this that I've seen.
Pure Genius , no other description required
Ruth Underwood on percussion... (it is a 'kind of' edited live album - crosscut performances - but there are some overdubs and stuff)
The Trumpet from hell!
It was the SNL band with their parts written for this four concert set.
Thanks
Thanks Sylvain!
Work work work.
Yep yep yep. Killer sax, guitar, bass, drums, horns, didn't think it was Ruth initially, but then thought, "Hmmmmm.....?"
How, like, awesome izzat? My plate and cup runneth over. Sorry 'bout the mess.
Ifn my brain isn't fooling me, when played on SNL, was ably assisted by John Belushi's samurai character. This was always a nice show opener.
Very much enjoy your reaction videos of FZ. I have been watching them ever since Andy, and it has been great fun to observe in realtime your ever increasing appreciation of the rabbit hole you have tumbled into. Also enjoying the feedback, suggestions, and comments you are generating from a lot of us long term fans. (50+years for me). Here is my "two cents" worth of trivia. You mentioned on your "Stuff up the cracks" video that you thought the car on the cover of "greasy Love Songs" was a California car , and I could not agree more. However...the license plate is from Alaska. I know this because I gave it to Frank one year for his Birthday. I have always thought of Alaska and California as both ends of the rainbow. Thank you for a happy memory, and I guess thanks to Joe or whoever decided to use the Plate:) I know this has nothing to do with Purple lagoon, but I wrote this out a couple weeks ago, and apparently forgot to hit send...brain fart...
interesting....he had a lot of number plates in his house
one of my favorite Albums
Zappa is so nice when he goes off-road and you are constantly trying to figure out where the one is.
Also, somebody has been hitting the gym, look at those guns.
You guys are funny trying to head Bob to this. Your expressions are also pretty priceless.
Glad you enjoyed Michael!
SNL TV show with this band + Bellushi ....... a must !!!
O´Hearn jazz contrabass player with some great names ( Joe Henderson ,Dexter Gordon etc) prior to Zappa and Bozzio´s friend ....Horn seccion from the SNL asked Frank to join the band for these concerts after the TV show . Frank re-arranged the music for the horn section to play the NY concerts....
Thanks for the info Juan!
Another favorite of mine (gosh, did i mention this before..) Anyway, very jazzy complexity. Great drums, percussion, and base. Especially in combination withe the sax the first 6 minutes or so. Just epic stuff.
Beautiful.
If you want to hear wild sax playing on a Zappa song, I recommend The Gumbo Variations from Hot Rats. Ian Underwood was the player. It's basically a sax solo, a violin solo, a guitar solo and some tasty drumming and bass work.Paul Humphrey and Max Bennett.
Thanks for sharing the info Tom!
I saw FZ live in the 70s and then again in the 80s. He was great, but I don't remember all that much about the shows.
Sounds like a great time!
One of my favorites, though. I think the Brecker brothers were at the height of their art. The bass is Patrick O'Hearn who did New Age music after this. I assume it was Terry on the drums, again. I mean, he did the New York shows at the time.
You know it's pretty funny Zappa used to hang out at this Italian restaurant in La and there was all these Jazz guitarist I think Joe Pass was there and a few other big names he definitely had a thing for jazz good for him I love that synthesizer that is preset to that funny horn jazz chord that you hear a lot in a lot of different standard Jazz stuff alright you kids
drum sounds like Bozio....the late sychonised bit sounded like trumpet and keys....He did play this on SNL with Jim Belushi doing comedy...probably the Brecker brothers.....the bass was a fretless bass...OK backing musicians contain the brass section from SNL....THE MARIMBA PARTS WERE ADDED IN THE STUDIO LATER with Ruth...Ed Mann and John Bergamo......Warner Bros contract with Zappa required 4 albums and each would be a sum of 60K paid and they were to be released within 6 weeks of delivery....Zappa delivered all 4 albums at once and demanded 240k dollars..Warner Bros failed to deliver on the terms and Zappa took them to court....The four album set actually contains five albums which warners brothers split into 4 and with bad cover art released them as single albums....They only released the albums after they had heard he had negotiated with another company to release the work.....So with Phonogram Zappa planned to release a box set called lather...Warners sued and blocked the release claiming ownership of the material forcing Zappa to shelve the project...Eventually he went on a live radio show and played the 4 albums with permission for anyone to record the music and do as you want with it.....so he was gazumping Warner bros....They censored the song ''punky,s whips''which violated the terms of agreeance.....Patrick O'hearn was the bass man
Bozio is a badass and the time signatures are redicoulis.
This was probably the kind of piece Zappa would use for auditioning new band members. Just hand them some pages with THIS scribbled all over it then asking them if they can play it in a 'reggae' 4/4
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I hear Linda Ronstadt's looking for a guitarist.....😂
Nice. You finally got around to it. Next Black Napkins off the same album.
Listen to Sofa from the same album. Classic Frank guitar riffin'. In fact, do a video where you listen to the studio version of sofa from One Size Fits All, then follow up with the version from this album.....all in the same video. It's a short tune but great stuff. This album, this band.....outstanding!!
Zappa in New York…the final set of concerts to feature the incredible Ruth Underwood.
New York’s finest horn players is what makes this an incredible album.
1. So far as I know there's three mixes of this track, each with a different amount of artificial double-tracking/artificial harmonization applied to the horns. Personally I prefer the 1992 CD Mix where only Randy Brecker's trumpet solo really gets the "treatment".
2. It breaks down like this: Mike B's solo (edited at the front end) is from December 28th, the conducted percussion thing behind Frank's overdubbed solo is also from the 28th, Ron Cuber's solo (which is just the second half of it) is from the 29th, Patrick's solo (a few small edits) is also from the 29th, and Randy B (unedited) is from the 28th. The full, untampered-with 29th performance is in the ZINY box set, but alas not the full 28th one (a half-hour marathon with solos from nearly everyone including the underrated Mr Marini)
3. So far, no mention of the fact the theme statement is actually contrapuntal, "The Purple Lagoon versus Approximate".
it is the horn section from snl
also the horn section from blues brothers
patrick o'hearn on bass
terry bozzio on drums
listen to the whole album!!!
Thanks for the confirmation Joseph!
Sifa nailed the SNL thing. Lou Marini, Michael Brecker and Tom Malone played in the SNL band.
THE KILLER BOZZIO ERA!! Brecker Bros also invited.
Hey Dan,
At 2:47, after the cool Bozzio fill, what time frame does the soloing go to?
ANYONE KNOW??
ANSWER:7/4.
Could even speculate 7/8
That's means 7 beats to a measure and the quarter note gets one beat.
7/8 means the 8th note gets one beat.
For picky Peter "special K".
Not organic enough?
LMFAO!
Thanks for the info!
@@SightAfterDark
Excuse me,
Peter K, Mr R, and the other know it alls, with probably no music education
Now we all know who was his best drummer, BY FAR,
No need to prove it anymore! Just analyze this masterpiece of JAZZ drumming.
Bozzio is akin to a combination of Buddy rich, Steve Gadd, Billy Cobham, Virgil Donati, and not to forget "sloppy Vinnie" .
Terry, for Franks best drumming style, was ALL COMBINED INTO ONE SUPER PLAYER.
It wasn't just to play Jewish princess.
You guys can now take five, while I talk music shop with Dan.
Dan,
At 2:58, I noticed you were trying to groove in on that 7/4 time signature.
On that section, at 2:50, after the Bozzio Fill, with the Mike brecker alto sax solo, you can break it up into 2 parts to the measure, 4/4 and 3/4.
Its easier to think in terms of 1234123 - 1234123 - 1234123 - 1234123.
A little Zappa music theory creation for ya! Enjoy!
The Brecker Brothers, no business like snow business back then.
Always reminds me of Super Mario Bros.
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By the way, the best best thing to seeing Frank live these days is to see Dweezil Zappa's band live. Dweezil's band is every bit as good as Zappa's bands were and Dweezil is a better guitar technically. They do a wide variety of Zappa stuff and they do most of the songs very faithfully to one of the original recordings (whether a studio or live version). The one thing missing from Dweezil's shows is the humor that Frank would always interject, but its as close as you can come to seeing Zappa today. There's also a Zappa Band mainly comprised of Zappa alum but I'd see Dweezil's band over them because the Dweezil's setlist includes rarer songs.
Thanks Richard!
Amazing Zappa Yeah Do Zappa's cover of "Stairway To Heaven". Great review
Thanks for watching Toda304!
The drummer is skinny, you know, the sax is the renowned Michael Brecker, just terrific... but that fusion bass is the most of it. There was a radio docu by Charles Shaar Murray where Patrick O'Hearn told what EF-ZEE (as you call him) had told him: "Pat, noone in the world needs a bass solo. So, keep it short and sweet" (rough citation). So, here Pat is not particularly short but really sweet... Thank you, guys, for the sweet reaction! to a sweet fav :)
Thanks for being here Mr Waterpumpkin!
Over the years I’ve tried my best to count this out and inevitably failed. Definitely not for the weak of heart.
Heroes free bizarre because those horn sounds so real I guess there were digital samples maybe on his old sing clavier Google spelled it wrong but I think he gets the idea I think it's called a sink Lavere it did it again but it's a little closer the thing is most preset horn sounds like saxophones or trumpets they don't sound anything like it at all I think somewhere in the early 80s they tried to make it a law that you couldn't truly sample any instruments like horns and saxophones and flutes and violins or whatever it is because the musicians thought that they would be losing work so when you hear these more modern digital synthesizers they just tried to emulate the sound by just programming frequencies well they sound absolutely horrible I mean shity is not a good enough word for some of the lousy tones and came up with that were so f****** corny but here you have actual horn sounds because Frank probably sampled all these different sounds from real instruments it just sounds like the actual thing and of course that's what everybody was so afraid of Much Ado About Nadia okay you kids somebody must have took a trip and travel somewhere I guess somebody's in Brooklyn and someone else are secretive graffiti she must be in Buffalo
Modern American complexity.
Something wrong with the sound?
yeah, the audio was weak / hollow for some reason in the playback - the recording itself (as presented on the album/disc/bitstream) is fine…
I think it's the Frank Zappa YT site. Every time a song originates from that channel, the audio is too compressed or protected from sharing, idk
Most bands couldn't handle the first few bars!
As good as this cut is there in another extended version on the 40th Anniversary box set. Ruth really shines. This is the foreshortened version.
Is it a poorly foreshortened version such as a glass of orange juice might be, or was it foreshortened by the toads of the short forest ???
heey you guysss with your format but I was looking forr
for a more hard art rock style
upheld lighter
It was definitely a sex graffiti yeah there was some processing done to it
Some good musicians here but not my favourite Zappa piece. Think it gets "lost" several times,
I have an issue with this and many more Zappa "songs" on here with the length of song. We get plenty of Frank on here which is great but, IMHO, we have a few greedy, narcissistic "Zappa fanatics". We must be into double figures now for a "song" that's well over 15 minutes, up to well over half an hour. Dupree's paradise, Greggery Peccary, King Kong, Billy the mountain, N-Lite, Corrido, Purple Lagoon to name a few. Then we have Lumpy Gravy, 2 song requests that was actually a whole album and 22 "song requests" Others who try and sneak 2 videos in one request, then, when busted, laugh and say it was worth a try!
Certain people can't be reasonable so I think it would be a good idea to say anything over 15 minutes is 2 song requests. This may stop some of these fanatics who are more interested in their own ego's and oneupmanship, from taking the piss. Where would this channel be if every patron picked half hour song requests? Dan and Sifa have limited time and think it's disrespectful to their kind nature.
Two marionettes shaking heads to music, they don't understand!
Thanks for watching! 😘
THE KILLER BOZZIO ERA!!
He also played another version of Purple Lagoon, LIVE Channel 4 NBC NY on SNL Christmas week 1976, with John Belushi as the samurai.
Trust me , Dan and Sifa,
Terry Bozzio is Franks best all around drummer, for his multiple styles, including some metal with vocals,not just his most entertaining. Colaiuta was a horrible fit and didn't make it 18 months.Even Vince's kit was sh*t
I don't know where you got that opinion from stating that Terry WASN'T franks best drummer, only his most entertaining.
Trust me,as a musician, keyboardist, percussionist,and musicologist with a masters.
Terry was ,by far, the best all around drummer for all of franks styles,all put into one.
This album is around the beginning of Prime Zappa with Prime Drumming.
Lasted till February 1978, then after mid 1978, his sales were the first to plummet.
SNL didn't even want frank back on anymore, etc.
Worst selling album in many years was coming, tinseltown rebellion with Vince Colaiuta.
Packard goose, on joes garage, was a drumming nightmare near the end of the song.Sloppy in somespots,and easy riffs to play. I don't know what he was on.
Ray white and Adrian Belew were the better fits for vocals,over Ike Willis,with his falsetto like vocal smear
@globextradingsystems LLC - Your opinions BLOW, just like you dream of doing to Bozzio!!
@globextradingsystems LLC - The only MASTERS you have is in BATING to Terry Bozzio and STUPIDITY!!!!!!!
@@Frunobulax74 I think our colleague ,dan,now knows this drumming on purple lagoon, was BRILLIANT, he said.
Are you sad now Sifa believed it was ansley DUMB BAR and got corrected ,finally!?
I didn't see you post to correct her. . You were hoping she never found out it was Bozzios amazing technique?
One of you ingrates tried to convince them terry wasn't the best frank had. Shame on all 3 of you.
YOU 3 have Zero musical education, ZERO! but knows all the facts about franks best drummers?
Sad 3some....
@@Frunobulax74 Such a childish response.
You never mention anything musical in your insults. Nothing about pentatonic scales? Music counterpoint?. Lydian modes? Nothing musically?
Aren't you embarrassed with your lack of knowledge?Really. Think about it.
To you, music theory means nothing.
But to frank,it was everything, as it is to me.
To you, its superficial thinking.