Update: Dan from Derails has been in touch with a very gracious and professional email. He's apologised for the issues, and even offered me a refund! It seems they offer excellent customer service - particularly when problems are encountered - so be sure to give them a try! I've decided to keep the model, since no more are in stock and I've already made repairs, but Derails assures me a return would have been accepted within 12 months of purchase if required, as per the loco warranty!
Good to hear but I still worry that stuff being taken out of the box then sold 'as new' is quite dodgey. Especially when things like detail packs are concerned because they are usually taped to the block of ice which means that someone has actually went out of their way to take it off rather than had it just 'accidentally fallen off'
I can't but help wonder if they were only very gracious and professional because you have a popular RUclips channel. Glad you got it sorted either way and well done for an honest review.
Beautiful model Sam! Six is a good number of preserved examples! Also, the youngest preserved example (the last one built) is the only one left to be restored from scrap condition which is hoped to be finished in 2024!
It's a nice looking locomotive although I do agree that the seller should have taken care to not damage and make sure the detailing bag was put back inside the packaging. I think the black 5 I have even though its second hand has issues with the separate detail falling off as mine is one of the new updated models like this model and I really need to find a smoke box door dart as it must have fell off with the previous owner.
Having purchased a number of locos from Dan at Derails (40 + in the last few years) I've never had a "duff one" as yet. That is why I welcome his policy of testing before despatch which avoids the problem of unnecessary faults and returns. Unfortunately, Hornbys QC can be quite hit and miss. I can thoroughly recommend Derails whose customer service is second to none. Incidentally Sam, I don't know where you get the £144 price tag. These locos are still available sub £100 at many outlets.
Great to hear you've had good experiences with Derails - I must say their customer aftercare was very impressive once they learned of this issue! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Just found a Lima Diesel in the charity shop with some track and coaches, I was absolutely over the moon, Not a great runner, but a bit of servicing and a new motor should do the trick Great review! -Dj
hello sam I just got the Hornby club membership a few days ago and I think that this model looks good and will you do a comparison video with the Hornby and Bachmann class 4s and will you get a new Hornby B12 and love the video from david
The lining is more muted and more realistic on the Hornby version compared with the Bachmann models. Good test! Were any of the quality and oiling issues down to the dealer? I certainly would not want to buy a loco already opened and tested.
I think I'd agree with you there actually - very good point! I hope the retailer didn't add any oil - it's not impossible though! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
My standard class 4 safety valves look so much like metal that I thought they were and do you consider that glue marks and squiff buffers are just production errors and you just got unlucky how ever the windows are poorly designed as that same peice came broken on mine but the front rail is definitely the retailers but where I got mine be it’s really good I went in store and before I bought it they tested performance in front of me so I could spot if they did anything but the guys were super careful😊btw I live in Australia and I think we are quite gifted because we don’t get the Hornby retailer issues as they by the models privately
Lol when it comes to pipes I always asked why couldn't they do them out of metal with the bob/merchant navy class...hated how fragile those under cab pipes are...the copper paint scratches so easily from them too...though the best fix I found for that was to very lightly coat them in super glue.
Hey Sam- loved your little comedic hiccup 28 seconds into the video. Ha. I actually just completed a 4' x 6' HO scale layout which folds up onto the wall when not in use and wanted to know if you ever develop videos on smaller layouts/best use of switches etc. and enhancing a layout. I think that would help the average model railway hobbyist as it is fun and interesting to make changes. Thank you
Well, now what I very nice little runner and the detailing that are (supposed) to be there even if they are a bit too wonky. For £170 though a bit for metal for the details would have been great than the painted plastic. Although a shame that when pre-opened the loco maybe/was miss-handled, that the people that do this ensure they put all items back in the box etc. Otherwise, I don't mind items being tested before postage especially with the 2nd hand market. Another great review Sam, but I don't think I'll be getting one until there is a price drop to around £130 as I have better standard (ahem) locos and other limited editions for that kind of money.
Yeah I agree John - I thought the same thing! Yes it'd be different on the 2nd hand market - but this was supposed to be new! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Yeah BNMIB loco you'd expect better for that price. In fact, you'd get one of the Suttons Locomotive Works Class 24s I've told you about in Limited Edition Tin Boxed and Display Case for that price. You really should get one Sam they are beautiful and so well detailed plus extras. I would find it hard if you could find any fault with them. Go for the SLW-2408 Green SYWP BR #D5082 "CONDOR" if they have any left.
It would be cool if this locomotive had a diecast running board along with a diecast body. That would reflect the £170 price tag since you’re paying for a locomotive that is gonna be pretty heavy. :P
Hey Sam, I am from the USA and would like to import a British steam locomotive. I am looking at a Bachmann Pre Owned Ivatt class 2MT with a tender with DCC fitted from Hattons. It is 85 pounds. Would you say that would be a good deal, when all said and done it would be around $160 including shipping, or would you have other suggestions? I would like this to be a tender engine, no larger than a 4-6-2, something that would be good at doing both yard work and light freight service. Also, DCC ready at least, because all of my engines need to have DCC fitted. I would not like the price of the engine itself to be over 100 pounds. Would you say that it would be hard to put American couplets on a British locomotive like this, because that is very important.
Hey William - yeah I'd say that's a fair deal - do check Rails of Sheffield though - I think they have some even cheaper!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Thanks for the tip. Rails of Sheffield didn't have any in stock so I got the one from Hattons. My guess is it is going to look a bit rediculous with American rolling stock but I don't really care.
I can understand your hatred for employees pre-running it. It means that they are trying to make sure that the engine is working. I'd blame the retailer, I believe that they are breaking there policy by pre testing a product. So you could possibly sue. What would you do Sam?
Excellent review! When I was admiring the back of the box I noticed below the diagram that it says “Do Not Scale” could you elaborate on what this means?
The drawing is not a reproduction of the locomotive's plan at a proper scale. It is a reduced version from the factory's conception drawings, and it might have been distorded in the pre-press and printing process of the box. So, you cannot use it as a reference to meter the right dimensions of the locomotive.
Hi Sam, nice loco but to expensive imho. And that 'quality check' must be a joke! There are at the moment better deals or 'bargains' at different retailers for more recent loco's. And regarding 'slow speed' maybe compare to a Roco - Piko - Märklin - Trix and you'll understand what we call a 'crawl'. The quality of the motors is totally different. What I don't understand from Hornby is that they design beautiful loco's with crappy - noisy motors. Why ???? Hope the new releases will be at a better level ! Greetings
Great review. I bought this model a year ago and although I love it to bits, my lamp iron on the smokebox door was also missing. I could have returned it to Hattons, but in the end decided not too. Seems Hornby may have forgotten to attach them during the production line.
It's still incredulous Sam, that these large manufacturers are prepared to charge such extortionate prices, then provide an unacceptable level of quality control. Thanks as always for your detailed and fair review...Bob
i love your absolute honesty when it comes to your reviews, there's no glossing over anything. if something is wrong, missing or off, you tell us. makes for great viewing.. also the amount of lubrication was insane. i would have cleaned all that off straight away.
Thanks so much Jesse - absolutely - I can't see the point of reviewers who don't point out the flaws, I've always done my best to be accurate! I have now cleaned all that oil away - it was crazy! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hey Sam very cool video, it’s me flying Scotsman productions I just changed my name, it’s the name of another video gamer Channel that I watch, very nice locomotive, I like the 4 mt’s but I think I probably prefer the 5 mt’s over them, also do u think that they will ever make a rebuilt a4 like they did to the p2’s or the a1’s I think I want a rebuilt version of either gadwall or silver link.
170 pounds... meanwhile you can get a Dapol Pannier with firebox glow, loads of details, a removable cab roof, DCC 21 ready, and oh yeah... in 0 gauge, for 20 pounds more.
BLAME THE RETAILER. They should have noticed the problems, even if they were not responsible for the damage they should have seen it. and NOT sent it out.
I tried that when I was a teen. Set up a circle of track outside, got an old triang 101 power car, set it on fire and off it went. Kept going for ages and ages until the chassis disintegrated all over the track and derailed the power bogie.
@@davidstrains4910 I find them very rugged compared to a lot of the bachmann split chassis range, but the plastic inserts in the wheels do have a nasty habit of blowing out due to expansion.
@Sam'sTrains Sorry to see you had a bad Hornby Standard 4MT, I have the same one and it was better way than your one it's most likey the retailer fualt I promise you the engine is great I have fitted sound to mine
Seeing as they lost your details pack I'd say the smoke box door damage was more down to the store that tested it for you. Shame about the glue, was looking good...from a distance.
@@ThatOneTrainGuy Oh for sure, just like Sam says, the fact they opened it them selves is what adds the question. If they just sold it, it would all be down to hornby & shipping.
For me I like that the fact that the Hornby mechanism is so good if you take that and put it in the bank men's Loco then you pretty much have in my opinion the best logo And to me that was probably the best part of this Loco is the mechanism Also I agree with you retailer should not be opening trains and testing them or products in general that's just bad retail practices Also it's Hornby they should not be making dodgy stuff so I'm not too happy with the detail on the train if I'm going to pay $170 for a locomotive now I don't think the back bumper in the missing pack was hornby's fault things that I have to fix when it comes it's their fault Especially with the fact I'm injured in luckily I just I can turn my my train set set up where I can just turn it on and pick a locomotive and pull it out and yes I called in the train set I think you turn this one into a project Sam to make it better and then prove it because I know there's pieces out there where you can fix a lot of them problems which all this stuff should have came from the start and none of these problems should have been there but a little video project on your Channel that would be fun in my opinion I'm sure some young young train Enthusiast would love to see it white
That's a beautiful locomotive it looks like a runs really well too I'll tell you this have you ever thought about buying a DCC Broadway limited locomotive American engine with sound and smoke they're really beautiful engines or want to Bachman's newer engines retooled steam engine American engines
Even if the retailer you bought it from took it out of the package and it was broken or missing parts from the factory, then that's still on the retailer. They took it out of the box and handled it to make sure it worked, but weren't thorough enough to check for broken or missing parts before sending it to you! Either way this is totally unacceptable. Still a nice model, but that retailer managed to fail in the customer service department twice!
Quite correct if the retailer has decided to test and check the model they shouldn't have sent it with the defects to the customer. They should have sent it back to the manufacturer who should either repair the faults or condem the model to the spares scrap yard. I know Bachmann do this with their models and the repaired returns do get another chance in life as they get repaired and then get sold on at the Warley show but with only a month's warranty.
Yeah I guess you're right - I wasn't best pleased with that, though they have been in touch to apologise - the customer service seems to be much better! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Now in my Thomas series there are 13 steam engines working on the fat controllers railway five diesels working on the fat controllers railway eight small railway engines and nine narrow gauge engines of course in my series I will introduce a steam locomotive which looks like Wilbert and 16 known in my series as Simon this engine is painted in lime green with red lining a black running board and some white buffers this engine is Hazel Hazel used to work on the Dartmoor railway before it's closure the fat controller eventually saved her from the scrap yard and now works somewhere on the railway you may have noticed that this idea was scrapped for unknown reasons
Would prefer a 76000 mogul to a 75000. Just one problem, only Bachmann produce that, and I have a feeling it’s another outmoded mechanism for a high price. Sigh
A double chimney 4MT! My favourite! Long Live Big 29!! (aka 75029) .....and 75069....and 75078....and 75079.... But 75029 is the only double chimney 4MT in lined green with a 3500gal tender (all the other 3 had* 4725gal tenders - *I'm not sure if 75079 will get a new BR1B/C tender or a BR2A tender).
Sam, if you're not told this enough... Thank you!! It's good to see a Reviewer who's NOT on some Manufacturer's payroll!!! 😉😎 As you should know by now, I'm an American Prototype Modeller. That said, I AM going to buy a couple of British pieces. This was of course, an honest assessment. It MAY have good detail - but shoddy construction and workmanship is not acceptable! At any cost really. Carmine ✈🚂🚙
You're very welcome mate - don't get me wrong, I'll gladly take payment from anyone willing to send them, but I'll always give an honest review no matter what! The workmanship did leave plenty to be desired with this one! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I think as the Class 4 was heading up the slight incline I saw a little wheel slip.(22:20 ish) If it was wheel slip with 5 coaches I wouldn't really consider that acceptable for the price.
At 26:45 you can see wheel slip too, but I thought it looked quite cool for the review. Though with a Power Rating of 23 coaches I doubt she could do it if she is slipping with just five attached. I did ask Sam recently that at some stage he could do a test of his Power Rating to see if they compare to his calculations.
I knew you were going to review this after a recent comment that you made to me. I'm in the market for a standard class 4 and I'm torn. I want it all.. detail, performance AND quality. I can buy the Hornby version shipped to Australia for £85 and a Bachmann version is £75. Still not fully decided...all of my new locos have been Bachmann of late and I want to support Hornby, but...... .maybe you should do the full comparison!
Ahh yes indeed! Yes that's quite a dilemma - you'd be within your rights to make a return if the Hornby didn't make the standard, but it would be very time consuming! I'll look into a full comparison! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Even with your unluckily model the Hornby BR Standard 4MT 4-6-0 is a better model than the Bachmann model. The Bachmann one doesn't have tender pickups or its DDC socket in the tender. I am very much a fan of the BR green model with the double chimney and your model. In real life run on the SD&JR and you could doubleheader with a Bulleid Pacific for a Pines express train.
I received a TTS Black 5 for my 13th birthday (2018) and I noticed that it was missing the dart.. fast forward a few days/weeks and it when back to the retailer for a fix because the DCC chip has fried.. He sent it back to Hornby to fix.. It came back with the dart still “missing”!
Ooh what a gift that must have been - sorry to hear about the dart and chip - that doesn't sound very good if it was still missing after you sent it back :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
That bent buffer, missing lamp brackets, broken handrail and glue marks all for £170.99 including VAT sounds like they saw you coming! Maybe you should do a long term test and see if it packs up? Send it back before the 12 months RTB is up!
Hey Sam, how are you doing Mate? News Just in by NZ’s prime minister, New Zealand is in Lockdown. Not worried though but not gonna be ordering anything anytime soon! This is getting serious! Your Mate! - Sam :D
I think this has the same situation as the Hornby Railways Schools class locomotive where the locomotive was released back in the early 2010s and yet Hornby charged a lot of money for it. It would've been a little bit better if the price was under £150.
Due to the poor quality of this locomotive, I’m gonna give the Hornby Standard Class 4MT a “C”. It would’ve been a lot better if the locomotive had better quality.
Hi Sam. I sincerely hope that, if this is not a really difficult model to get hold of, you will send it back. Even if you don't know whether the damage (excepting glue marks) was caused by Hornby/Royal Mail (other mail carriers are available)/Deans, it is the dealer's responsibility to make good any defects. If it wasn't Deans' fault, then they need to take it up with Hornby. Again you won't know who's at fault, but it would be my guess that Deans were responsible for the excess of lubricant - I'm sure you wouldn't have all these problems with a Hatton's-supplied model. BTW: Does the Bullman get sick travelling with his back to the engine?
I might have done Paul, but unfortunately I bought this before Christmas, and only just got around to opening it. They don't seem to have any more in stock now unfortunately. The lubricant must have been Hornby - there's no way retailers should be lubing up models at all (or that's what I hope!!) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam, Reading the comments I agree with the remarks regarding ' control by the retailer' especially in the context of the missing pieces, over oiling and even damage to the loco. It raises questions !! Yes, it's a nice and good running loco. But now I eagerly await the upcoming new 2MT from Hornby. The production specs look very promising. Anyway success with this 4MT, But frankly: for that amount of money I've send it back. You' re to kind Sam ! Greetings, Filip
Thanks Filip - it certainly does raise questions! You're right about the 2MT - no small amount of diecast on those by the looks of it! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I understand what you mean about who to blame for damages. I think the blame is a little of both sides unless you get a new model directly from hornby that hasnt been touch post-build and do a comparison. That could possibly give you answer on who to fully blame. The BR Standard tender locomotives always have a broken piece of detail even if it's unoticeable. My BR Standard 7MT "ANZAC" has a handrail that out of socket. My model was new and untouched( i know who to blame🤨) -Greetings from USA!😃
That's absolutely right - knowing the model has been touched since it left the factory stops you from being able to blame Hornby for the issues! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Seems you get one from a bad batch. I had to return my Hornby LMS Black Five (and get another one in working order) because the gearing was broken, and it cannot run more than an half-metre before stopping and making a grinding noise. Problems like this happens sometimes... and I think it is unacceptable to ship you a locomotive with quality issues from a shop that is supposed to look at them before sending you the item ! At least, they ought to have swapped it for another one without broken parts, missing details pack and glue marks, and return this one to the manufacturer. For my own, I would only accept those kind of issues from a retailer that does NOT check the locomotives before sending them to you. As an example, I have recently received an Oxford Rail wagon with a popped out axle and NO couplings, but I don't mind : I've put the axle back in its bearings and take the lack of couplings as a good reason to start buying kadees, what I had always planned... For the lubrication, I thing this might be the result of a mistranslation. Margate told the factory to "use a dropper", and the factory production department understood "use a dipper" instead... Well, if you have a good condition model and minus GBP 25 on the price, this would have deserved three stars on value and quality instead of two. Hornby mechanisms are top level, just one notch below what Oxford Rail ones, and they have put a five poles motor, just missing a flywheel. I think this model deserves a retooling. Or a minus GBP 50 on the RRP.
Sorry to hear you had a similar problem Oliver - at least mine ran reasonably well! I wonder whether some of the parts could have been damaged during the testing process - it doesn't take much to damage models these days! All the more reason to leave unpacking to the customer! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Obviously, it would have a back coupling because it’s gonna be pulling some coaches or wagons on your layout. If the loco doesn’t have anything at the back, then it would be ludicrously unacceptable because now the locomotive can’t pull anything without a use for a coupling.
I recently took delivery of a Hornby S15 (R.3412). Upon opening the packing the entire bogie assembly was found to be detached from the chassis with the wheels and plastic plate securing them to the body of the bogie rattling around loose. I fixed that but upon running it I discovered that it randomly sped up and decelerated. It also ran slowly. It also heats up somewhat disconcertingly. I'm assuming the running gear is similar to the Hornby Arthur which runs faultlessly, so there is definitely some inconsistency in production. Thanks for another comprehensive review.
Yes I think my S15 was the same - the bogie design is quite weak! That motor issue is quite common with the S15 too - it is a fault, so you would be able to return it for a replacement if you wanted to! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
this looks a great model but the quality and price is shocking I might try to find one second hand if it's quite old. the cab painting is actually quite accurate not for a heritage railway maybe but I'm told in the 1950s most cab control's were black cuz it was cheap so I think it's nice to see it like that than done up like it's carrying the queen
Hi Sam, good video. The "Tangle" of brass coloured plastic behind the safety valves is a "Steam Turret" which is hidden in the cab on most locos. The designer must have run out of space in the cab, or they initially forgot about it, lol. As a personal preference, I am not very fussy on the "Standard" classes, except the 9Fs of course. Likewise I do not like double chimneys. They seem to take away the beauty of many locos. As I have said before, extreme crawl speed is not normally needed on tender locos. Only a reasonable crawl is needed for coupling up. I pride myself that I never push my wagons/carriages backwards when coupling up, unless the couplings are over a permanent uncoupling ramp. I always position myself so that I can see the couplings when picking up a train. I realise that you are not able to do this on your reviews. Regards, Alan.
Nice looking but and a big but. First the price, it isn't in my opinion a loco I would spend £170 on. I love steam loco's and particularly this model. If this purchase was brand new, then I would have sent it straight back with a very curt letter requesting a refund. ( There should not be a need to test a model in store that is brand new?. ) even removing from the box makes it second hand to me. Maybe I am wrong on this point and would appreciate your or anyone else's advice on this point. In my opinion the Onus on the quality/ build/ running would then be down to Hornby. I think you have been sold a pup. It's your choice of course. I would send it back. I enjoy your reviews and find them very helpful. Keep them coming. I am new to railway modelling and as yet don't own any Loco's. It looks like a minefield out there. Thank you and kind regards. Malcolm.
Thanks Malcolm - I'm with you there, £170 seems far too much. And I completely agree - having been previously unboxed and 'tested', this was second hand by definition. Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I remember 75008, its home shed for many years was Oxford,81F,. I spent most of my childhood trainspotting there. I always saw this loco in black livery, even after convetsion to a double chimney. Can anyone verify this? Looks good in green though!
I've noticed people with missing details and broken parts from Hornby locos recently, I recently had to replace a limited Edition Sir Nigel Gresley Centenary train set due to a broken connecting rod, (although this might have been the fault of Rails of Sheffield, as they told me that they tested the replacement model, so obviously they tested the original model and it may have broken while they put it back in the box or during delivery), but nonetheless Rails apologised and sent a replacement set which was thankfully intact, but I really shouldn't have needed to do this, especially as I also recently got a Hornby A4 Mallard in BR Blue from Rails and I had absolutely no problems with it. I also once got a Hornby A4 Golden Eagle in 2016 from Hattons but had the nameplate upside down, thankfully got a replacement, but it was clear that this was a factory fault. However, these were the only times when I had to return a Hornby model to be replaced, the only other time was with a Bachmann model. These issues mostly seems to be happening to Hornby though which is a shame, I know Hornby can do much better than this and I love Hornby. I think there are problems with the Chinese factory that is producing them and I've heard that they had a falling out, especially as that same factory also produces Bachmann locos. I think Hornby needs to find a new production factory, one that actually cares about models and about handling them with care.
Thanks for sharing Fraser - yes that's very common with modern Hornby models sadly - and yes, I'm not overly keen on retailers unboxing and testing models either! Glad to hear all was sorted in the end though! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I don’t know why retailers aren’t careful when it comes to handling models. If they’re gonna sell the locomotive, then they should put everything back in the box and also make sure that the locomotive is in good condition.
A nice model potentially ruined by a clumsy retailer. I am not totally against pretesting but believe the retailers should only do so at the buyers request usually when buying in person rather than on line, that way you can keep an eye on the proceeds. The oil is how I have found most models to come, it may be to prevent moisture build up when shipped around the metal moving parts that could otherwise rust.
Sorry to hijack the 4MT discussion but I am still waiting to hear a reply to a question that I really would like an answer to. I recently purchased the railroad version of the Flying Scotsman. I was reasonably happy with the engine which runs well and agreed with your review. However would you let me know which version you think is the best to buy. I'd appreciate your thoughts on this. Best Wishes and really missing your Sunday stream.
It's up to you Simon - the Railroad ones are fine if you want some basic functionality at a reasonable price. If you care about the extra detail, the Hornby Railways ones are much more expensive but with better detail. Mechanically, there's very little difference! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
In the USA, there are regulations regarding tank cars not being placed next to occupied train cars (like cabooses) or locomotives, especially if their contents are considered harmful or dangerous. This requires cars of other types to be placed in the train in between tankers so that they act as safety buffers. Presumably, I would guess that similar rules exist in the U.K., don’t they?
Honestly, imagine, instead of a model locomotive, you buy a top level concert piano, a Bosendorfer or, if you don't have the budget, a Yamaha, you get it delivered and you find a card on it saying "tested by Jerry Lee Lewis before delivery"... Seems that your 4MT might have the same kind of issue with your retailer testing it before shipping it to you !
With you on the potential carelessness of retailers (perhaps through complacency?). I recently bought a second hand Lima Class 47 from one of the 'big ones' in the UK and in their pictures they used to sell it it had buffers and a limited edition certificate, when it arrived both were missing, I'm guessing after being test run (you need to remove the buffers to remove the body) these were not replaced and mislaid. I have given them opportunity to find them but they appear lost, never seem to get problems when I buy from personal sellers.
Thanks mate, you could be right - we're humans after all, and prone to error, but it does sting given how much these cost! Sorry to hear about that - yes I bet you're right there - I've forgotten to replace those buffers on my example too, but it's odd that they weren't found?! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Really looking forward to this review then so disappointed with the model you had i have one in br back and its flawless runs beautifully and so much more cab detail its a Hornby model what i did notice was the box and packaging did look different to what you opened but still so gutted at to what is one of my favourite trains to run and at a crawl can hardly tell its moving its that good fantastic review but gutted about the model you had wish i could show you mine to see how good they can be!
Update: Dan from Derails has been in touch with a very gracious and professional email. He's apologised for the issues, and even offered me a refund! It seems they offer excellent customer service - particularly when problems are encountered - so be sure to give them a try!
I've decided to keep the model, since no more are in stock and I've already made repairs, but Derails assures me a return would have been accepted within 12 months of purchase if required, as per the loco warranty!
If they took it out to "test" it, one wonders why the wonky buffer and the general damage weren't spotted?
Yep you're right - he did apologise for this!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Yes I'll be sure to give them a try
Good to hear but I still worry that stuff being taken out of the box then sold 'as new' is quite dodgey. Especially when things like detail packs are concerned because they are usually taped to the block of ice which means that someone has actually went out of their way to take it off rather than had it just 'accidentally fallen off'
I can't but help wonder if they were only very gracious and professional because you have a popular RUclips channel. Glad you got it sorted either way and well done for an honest review.
Beautiful model Sam! Six is a good number of preserved examples! Also, the youngest preserved example (the last one built) is the only one left to be restored from scrap condition which is hoped to be finished in 2024!
Thanks a lot Ryno - it certainly is! Ooh that's good news! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
It's a nice looking locomotive although I do agree that the seller should have taken care to not damage and make sure the detailing bag was put back inside the packaging. I think the black 5 I have even though its second hand has issues with the separate detail falling off as mine is one of the new updated models like this model and I really need to find a smoke box door dart as it must have fell off with the previous owner.
Thanks a lot Ben - yes I wasn't happy at all with that! Yes it's a real shame these parts often become detached :/
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Having purchased a number of locos from Dan at Derails (40 + in the last few years) I've never had a "duff one" as yet. That is why I welcome his policy of testing before despatch which avoids the problem of unnecessary faults and returns.
Unfortunately, Hornbys QC can be quite hit and miss.
I can thoroughly recommend Derails whose customer service is second to none.
Incidentally Sam, I don't know where you get the £144 price tag. These locos are still available sub £100 at many outlets.
Great to hear you've had good experiences with Derails - I must say their customer aftercare was very impressive once they learned of this issue!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Just found a Lima Diesel in the charity shop with some track and coaches, I was absolutely over the moon,
Not a great runner, but a bit of servicing and a new motor should do the trick
Great review!
-Dj
Oh wow that's good DJ - hope you're able to fix it up! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Great review Sam. An amazing loco very interesting to hear the history of the locomotive. Take care of yourself
Thanks a lot Luke - glad you enjoyed it! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
hello sam I just got the Hornby club membership a few days ago and I think that this model looks good and will you do a comparison video with the Hornby and Bachmann class 4s and will you get a new Hornby B12 and love the video from david
Awesome David, hope you enjoy it! I could definitely do that! :D
The lining is more muted and more realistic on the Hornby version compared with the Bachmann models. Good test! Were any of the quality and oiling issues down to the dealer? I certainly would not want to buy a loco already opened and tested.
I think I'd agree with you there actually - very good point! I hope the retailer didn't add any oil - it's not impossible though!
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Looks like the Class 5 is pulling its own 'Flying Kipper'...glad to see it out and about on the layout, great review as always!
haha yeah!! Glad you liked that, and thanks a lot! :D
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My standard class 4 safety valves look so much like metal that I thought they were and do you consider that glue marks and squiff buffers are just production errors and you just got unlucky how ever the windows are poorly designed as that same peice came broken on mine but the front rail is definitely the retailers but where I got mine be it’s really good I went in store and before I bought it they tested performance in front of me so I could spot if they did anything but the guys were super careful😊btw I live in Australia and I think we are quite gifted because we don’t get the Hornby retailer issues as they by the models privately
Next time either of my mainline ones (75073 + 75006) breakes I'll get one of those as both of mine brake genuinely after 1 minute of running
Ooh fantastic - sorry to hear that, I've had a similar experience with Mainline locos ;)
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Lol when it comes to pipes I always asked why couldn't they do them out of metal with the bob/merchant navy class...hated how fragile those under cab pipes are...the copper paint scratches so easily from them too...though the best fix I found for that was to very lightly coat them in super glue.
Yeah you're right - particularly with those Bullied locos!
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Happy 70.000 subs Sam!
Thanks so much mate!! :D
Hey Sam- loved your little comedic hiccup 28 seconds into the video. Ha. I actually just completed a 4' x 6' HO scale layout which folds up onto the wall when not in use and wanted to know if you ever develop videos on smaller layouts/best use of switches etc. and enhancing a layout. I think that would help the average model railway hobbyist as it is fun and interesting to make changes. Thank you
haha thanks a lot David! That sounds awesome - great work on that! I'd love to try that - great idea! :D
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The tender looks like it’s in a different color, sort of looks like the A2/2 be green
haha that's a good point actually - maybe that's just the light??
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Well, now what I very nice little runner and the detailing that are (supposed) to be there even if they are a bit too wonky. For £170 though a bit for metal for the details would have been great than the painted plastic. Although a shame that when pre-opened the loco maybe/was miss-handled, that the people that do this ensure they put all items back in the box etc. Otherwise, I don't mind items being tested before postage especially with the 2nd hand market. Another great review Sam, but I don't think I'll be getting one until there is a price drop to around £130 as I have better standard (ahem) locos and other limited editions for that kind of money.
Yeah I agree John - I thought the same thing! Yes it'd be different on the 2nd hand market - but this was supposed to be new! :O
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@@SamsTrains Yeah BNMIB loco you'd expect better for that price. In fact, you'd get one of the Suttons Locomotive Works Class 24s I've told you about in Limited Edition Tin Boxed and Display Case for that price. You really should get one Sam they are beautiful and so well detailed plus extras. I would find it hard if you could find any fault with them. Go for the SLW-2408 Green SYWP BR #D5082 "CONDOR" if they have any left.
Nice engine. Glad you’re safe indoors from the Coronavirus
Thanks a lot Tomas, hope you are too!!
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Little Dan had a little bit too much fun with the model.
haha maybe!! ;D
Even my railroad scotsman doesnt stop immediately when the controllers off
haha yeah - they have nice big flywheels too! :D
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It would be cool if this locomotive had a diecast running board along with a diecast body. That would reflect the £170 price tag since you’re paying for a locomotive that is gonna be pretty heavy. :P
I agree - for the price that would have been much better!
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Hey Sam,
I am from the USA and would like to import a British steam locomotive. I am looking at a Bachmann Pre Owned Ivatt class 2MT with a tender with DCC fitted from Hattons. It is 85 pounds. Would you say that would be a good deal, when all said and done it would be around $160 including shipping, or would you have other suggestions? I would like this to be a tender engine, no larger than a 4-6-2, something that would be good at doing both yard work and light freight service. Also, DCC ready at least, because all of my engines need to have DCC fitted. I would not like the price of the engine itself to be over 100 pounds.
Would you say that it would be hard to put American couplets on a British locomotive like this, because that is very important.
Hey William - yeah I'd say that's a fair deal - do check Rails of Sheffield though - I think they have some even cheaper!! :D
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@@SamsTrains Thanks for the tip. Rails of Sheffield didn't have any in stock so I got the one from Hattons. My guess is it is going to look a bit rediculous with American rolling stock but I don't really care.
I can understand your hatred for employees pre-running it. It means that they are trying to make sure that the engine is working. I'd blame the retailer, I believe that they are breaking there policy by pre testing a product. So you could possibly sue. What would you do Sam?
Obviously I wouldn't sue - but I will express my dislike for such practices in any videos!!
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Excellent review! When I was admiring the back of the box I noticed below the diagram that it says “Do Not Scale” could you elaborate on what this means?
The drawing is not a reproduction of the locomotive's plan at a proper scale. It is a reduced version from the factory's conception drawings, and it might have been distorded in the pre-press and printing process of the box. So, you cannot use it as a reference to meter the right dimensions of the locomotive.
Thanks for this Oliver - I think that covers all bases pretty well! :D
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What does it mean by minimum radius 438mm? As in it can only go over curves at such a radius?
I think it's 2nd radius, yeah! :D
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@@SamsTrains Probably by Hornby's standards...or European standards for that matter. I can double check some sources
More great stuff, thanks Sam!
Thanks a lot Michael! :D
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Nice loco. That is a little excessive with the oil.
It certainly is, haha! ;D
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in another universe, Sam spliced this and the Bachmann model to create the ultimate Standard 4
haha that'd be awesome!! :D
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Omg its so beautiful. I'm in love with it. Standards have something that other don't. Idk what but they do.
haha thank you - they are lovely aren't they?! :D
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Hi Sam, nice loco but to expensive imho. And that 'quality check' must be a joke! There are at the moment better deals or 'bargains' at different retailers for more recent loco's. And regarding 'slow speed' maybe compare to a Roco - Piko - Märklin - Trix and you'll understand what we call a 'crawl'. The quality of the motors is totally different. What I don't understand from Hornby is that they design beautiful loco's with crappy - noisy motors. Why ???? Hope the new releases will be at a better level ! Greetings
Yes I agree Filip - not great value on this one! Good idea on the slow speed - I'll try that!
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how many standards have you revewed
I'm not sure now! Most of the ones available, except the Clan!
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I need this loco!
They are pretty awesome!! :D
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Sam this is time to take standard class 4MT scrapped or take the standard class 4MT loco to your workshop's?!
haha we'll see - probably take it to the workshop ;)
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Me and my dad just finished servicing 1/3 of my fleet.
And then you upload.
Coincidence?
*I THINK NOT!*
haha awesome mate, hope it all went well for you! :D
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Great review. I bought this model a year ago and although I love it to bits, my lamp iron on the smokebox door was also missing. I could have returned it to Hattons, but in the end decided not too. Seems Hornby may have forgotten to attach them during the production line.
Thanks very much mate - glad to hear your happy with yours - sorry about the lamp iron :(
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2:21 the final 0 is missing. OMG it has dapolitus (typos on the box)
Ooh very well spotted!! xD
It's still incredulous Sam, that these large manufacturers are prepared to charge such extortionate prices, then provide an unacceptable level of quality control. Thanks as always for your detailed and fair review...Bob
Yes indeed Bob - I agree, it's not acceptable! Glad you enjoyed it mate,
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Love the BR standards, the standard class 2 is probably my favourite! Are you getting the new Hornby one?
Great to hear that - I love the 2 as well! Yes I'm hoping to! :D
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i love your absolute honesty when it comes to your reviews, there's no glossing over anything. if something is wrong, missing or off, you tell us. makes for great viewing.. also the amount of lubrication was insane. i would have cleaned all that off straight away.
Thanks so much Jesse - absolutely - I can't see the point of reviewers who don't point out the flaws, I've always done my best to be accurate! I have now cleaned all that oil away - it was crazy!
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Hey Sam very cool video, it’s me flying Scotsman productions I just changed my name, it’s the name of another video gamer Channel that I watch, very nice locomotive, I like the 4 mt’s but I think I probably prefer the 5 mt’s over them, also do u think that they will ever make a rebuilt a4 like they did to the p2’s or the a1’s I think I want a rebuilt version of either gadwall or silver link.
Thanks a lot mate - ooh nice new name!! Yes I really like the 5mt too! :D
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i would send it back for replacement or ask for the parts are missing just in case that is
I would do usually - but I feel it's been too long - I bought this before Christmas, and only just opened it :/
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170 pounds... meanwhile you can get a Dapol Pannier with firebox glow, loads of details, a removable cab roof, DCC 21 ready, and oh yeah... in 0 gauge, for 20 pounds more.
haha for sure!!! ;D
BLAME THE RETAILER.
They should have noticed the problems, even if they were not responsible for the damage they should have seen it. and NOT sent it out.
Yeah I'd be inclined to agree - though they have apologised now! :D
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I have the same model but it's an early version and it's one of my favorite hornby model
I would like to see how long a model locomotive would run for whilst on fire.
Heljan are perfect for this
haha that'd be awesome!! ;D
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I tried that when I was a teen. Set up a circle of track outside, got an old triang 101 power car, set it on fire and off it went. Kept going for ages and ages until the chassis disintegrated all over the track and derailed the power bogie.
But if the retailers test the locomotive to ensure customer satisfaction, why do they still dispatch a locomotive that has parts broken of?
haha exactly - I wish they wouldn't personally!
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Broken during deliver?
And here from 2023
Great review Sam I managed to get a Bachman one last year whilst on holiday with my family I think the cost was about £40
Wow! That's very cheap indeed - great find! :D
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Was that the old ex mainline split chassis one?
TIMMEH19991 yes it is a split chassis one
@@davidstrains4910 I find them very rugged compared to a lot of the bachmann split chassis range, but the plastic inserts in the wheels do have a nasty habit of blowing out due to expansion.
@@TIMMEH19991 Mine suffered the same fate and destroyed itself.
Congrats on 70k subs mate! Are you doing a special video to celebrate?
Thanks very much mate - I didn't think I would - they're coming so fast now! Maybe for 100k though! :D
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hi sam grate vid i'v got the bachmann one does the hornby one have an opening smock box door ;D
Thanks a lot Bee! I don't think the Hornby one does - Bachmann wins on that aspect! ;D
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These were based on Ivatt`s locos. Very fair marks although I would dock a star for that rogue apostrophe in the message from the retailer.
Ahh thanks for that Philip! haha good point!! ;D
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Philip Page The BR 4MT 2-6-0 was based on the Ivatt 4MT 4MT and the BR 4MT 4-6-0 was based on the GWR Manor.
@Sam'sTrains Sorry to see you had a bad Hornby Standard 4MT, I have the same one and it was better way than your one it's most likey the retailer fualt I promise you the engine is great I have fitted sound to mine
Thanks mate - it's not terrible don't get me wrong - and I suspect Hornby can't be blamed entirely for this one either!
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Love the vids keep up the good work Sam you the best 👍
Thanks so much mate, really appreciate it! :D
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Send it back to them for replacement. this is bloody awful
Unfortunately they don't have any more in stock - I agree it wasn't great!
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Seeing as they lost your details pack I'd say the smoke box door damage was more down to the store that tested it for you. Shame about the glue, was looking good...from a distance.
But we also need to remember this could just be this model
@@ThatOneTrainGuy Oh for sure, just like Sam says, the fact they opened it them selves is what adds the question. If they just sold it, it would all be down to hornby & shipping.
It could well be - it's impossible to prove!!
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For me I like that the fact that the Hornby mechanism is so good if you take that and put it in the bank men's Loco then you pretty much have in my opinion the best logo
And to me that was probably the best part of this Loco is the mechanism
Also I agree with you retailer should not be opening trains and testing them or products in general that's just bad retail practices
Also it's Hornby they should not be making dodgy stuff so I'm not too happy with the detail on the train if I'm going to pay $170 for a locomotive now I don't think the back bumper in the missing pack was hornby's fault things that I have to fix when it comes it's their fault
Especially with the fact I'm injured in luckily I just I can turn my my train set set up where I can just turn it on and pick a locomotive and pull it out and yes I called in the train set
I think you turn this one into a project Sam to make it better and then prove it because I know there's pieces out there where you can fix a lot of them problems which all this stuff should have came from the start and none of these problems should have been there but a little video project on your Channel that would be fun in my opinion I'm sure some young young train Enthusiast would love to see it white
Yeah absolutely - that would be amazing to try!! :D
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That's a beautiful locomotive it looks like a runs really well too I'll tell you this have you ever thought about buying a DCC Broadway limited locomotive American engine with sound and smoke they're really beautiful engines or want to Bachman's newer engines retooled steam engine American engines
Yes you're right, it does run great! I've thought about it - I'd really love to get one!! :D
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Even if the retailer you bought it from took it out of the package and it was broken or missing parts from the factory, then that's still on the retailer. They took it out of the box and handled it to make sure it worked, but weren't thorough enough to check for broken or missing parts before sending it to you! Either way this is totally unacceptable. Still a nice model, but that retailer managed to fail in the customer service department twice!
Quite correct if the retailer has decided to test and check the model they shouldn't have sent it with the defects to the customer. They should have sent it back to the manufacturer who should either repair the faults or condem the model to the spares scrap yard. I know Bachmann do this with their models and the repaired returns do get another chance in life as they get repaired and then get sold on at the Warley show but with only a month's warranty.
Yeah I guess you're right - I wasn't best pleased with that, though they have been in touch to apologise - the customer service seems to be much better! :D
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Hey Sam! I liked what you did at the beginning using the standard class 4 😂
Also do you plan on doing a review on the Dapol o gauge 14xx?
haha thank you!! I would love to some day - funds permitting! :D
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Now in my Thomas series there are 13 steam engines working on the fat controllers railway five diesels working on the fat controllers railway eight small railway engines and nine narrow gauge engines of course in my series I will introduce a steam locomotive which looks like Wilbert and 16 known in my series as Simon this engine is painted in lime green with red lining a black running board and some white buffers this engine is Hazel Hazel used to work on the Dartmoor railway before it's closure the fat controller eventually saved her from the scrap yard and now works somewhere on the railway you may have noticed that this idea was scrapped for unknown reasons
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Happy birthday to you
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Would prefer a 76000 mogul to a 75000. Just one problem, only Bachmann produce that, and I have a feeling it’s another outmoded mechanism for a high price. Sigh
A double chimney 4MT! My favourite!
Long Live Big 29!! (aka 75029)
.....and 75069....and 75078....and 75079.... But 75029 is the only double chimney 4MT in lined green with a 3500gal tender (all the other 3 had* 4725gal tenders - *I'm not sure if 75079 will get a new BR1B/C tender or a BR2A tender).
haha absolutely - I didn't mention the chimney actually!
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*logic has left the chat*
haha it's normal - just the way RUclips works! :D
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Would you recommend this Sam? Thanks
Overall I would, but be sure to watch the review - I cover basically all bases! :D
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I received one of These for Christmas 2021 and mine has no quality faults whatsoever. And I got it on a small discount, very pleased
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Well done RUclips, well done
haha it's normal - just the way the viewcount works! :D
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Sam, if you're not told this enough... Thank you!!
It's good to see a Reviewer who's NOT on some Manufacturer's payroll!!! 😉😎
As you should know by now, I'm an American Prototype Modeller. That said, I AM going to buy a couple of British pieces.
This was of course, an honest assessment. It MAY have good detail - but shoddy construction and workmanship is not acceptable! At any cost really.
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You're very welcome mate - don't get me wrong, I'll gladly take payment from anyone willing to send them, but I'll always give an honest review no matter what! The workmanship did leave plenty to be desired with this one!
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13:33 yet more damage to the foot step. What kind of bogan has chucked this about?
Ooh well spotted! I really don't know!! :O
I'm really curious, Sam. where did you get all your Pullman coaches? they look like the ones that hornby sells in their trainsets
I remember getting one of these for only £64 from Hattons back in 2011. For that price it was extremely good value for money. Great review as always.
Blimey - that's much more like it! For sure - if I'd paid £64, I'd be very happy! :D
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I think as the Class 4 was heading up the slight incline I saw a little wheel slip.(22:20 ish) If it was wheel slip with 5 coaches I wouldn't really consider that acceptable for the price.
Ahh interesting - you could be right there!! :O
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At 26:45 you can see wheel slip too, but I thought it looked quite cool for the review. Though with a Power Rating of 23 coaches I doubt she could do it if she is slipping with just five attached. I did ask Sam recently that at some stage he could do a test of his Power Rating to see if they compare to his calculations.
Im wondering if the metal pipes need a coat of gloss varnish to look better to me they lack shine to an unrealistic degree.
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I knew you were going to review this after a recent comment that you made to me. I'm in the market for a standard class 4 and I'm torn. I want it all.. detail, performance AND quality. I can buy the Hornby version shipped to Australia for £85 and a Bachmann version is £75. Still not fully decided...all of my new locos have been Bachmann of late and I want to support Hornby, but...... .maybe you should do the full comparison!
Ahh yes indeed! Yes that's quite a dilemma - you'd be within your rights to make a return if the Hornby didn't make the standard, but it would be very time consuming! I'll look into a full comparison! :D
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Even with your unluckily model the Hornby BR Standard 4MT 4-6-0 is a better model than the Bachmann model. The Bachmann one doesn't have tender pickups or its DDC socket in the tender. I am very much a fan of the BR green model with the double chimney and your model. In real life run on the SD&JR and you could doubleheader with a Bulleid Pacific for a Pines express train.
Thanks a lot John - yes I agree this beats the Bachmann 4MT - particularly where the mechanism is concerned!
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I received a TTS Black 5 for my 13th birthday (2018) and I noticed that it was missing the dart.. fast forward a few days/weeks and it when back to the retailer for a fix because the DCC chip has fried.. He sent it back to Hornby to fix..
It came back with the dart still “missing”!
Ooh what a gift that must have been - sorry to hear about the dart and chip - that doesn't sound very good if it was still missing after you sent it back :(
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That bent buffer, missing lamp brackets, broken handrail and glue marks all for £170.99 including VAT sounds like they saw you coming! Maybe you should do a long term test and see if it packs up? Send it back before the 12 months RTB is up!
haha yeah you're right - I'll be sure to keep an eye on it in the future!
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Hey Sam, how are you doing Mate? News Just in by NZ’s prime minister, New Zealand is in Lockdown. Not worried though but not gonna be ordering anything anytime soon! This is getting serious!
Your Mate!
- Sam :D
I'm doing great thanks mate - sorry to hear that, hope you stay safe my friend! :)
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I think this has the same situation as the Hornby Railways Schools class locomotive where the locomotive was released back in the early 2010s and yet Hornby charged a lot of money for it. It would've been a little bit better if the price was under £150.
Yeah I think you're right - it's similar in quality to those!
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Due to the poor quality of this locomotive, I’m gonna give the Hornby Standard Class 4MT a “C”. It would’ve been a lot better if the locomotive had better quality.
Fair enough mate - I think that's fair to say! :D
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Hi Sam. I sincerely hope that, if this is not a really difficult model to get hold of, you will send it back. Even if you don't know whether the damage (excepting glue marks) was caused by Hornby/Royal Mail (other mail carriers are available)/Deans, it is the dealer's responsibility to make good any defects. If it wasn't Deans' fault, then they need to take it up with Hornby. Again you won't know who's at fault, but it would be my guess that Deans were responsible for the excess of lubricant - I'm sure you wouldn't have all these problems with a Hatton's-supplied model. BTW: Does the Bullman get sick travelling with his back to the engine?
I might have done Paul, but unfortunately I bought this before Christmas, and only just got around to opening it. They don't seem to have any more in stock now unfortunately. The lubricant must have been Hornby - there's no way retailers should be lubing up models at all (or that's what I hope!!)
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Hi Sam, Reading the comments I agree with the remarks regarding ' control by the retailer' especially in the context of the missing pieces, over oiling and even damage to the loco. It raises questions !! Yes, it's a nice and good running loco. But now I eagerly await the upcoming new 2MT from Hornby. The production specs look very promising. Anyway success with this 4MT, But frankly: for that amount of money I've send it back. You' re to kind Sam ! Greetings, Filip
Thanks Filip - it certainly does raise questions! You're right about the 2MT - no small amount of diecast on those by the looks of it!
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I understand what you mean about who to blame for damages. I think the blame is a little of both sides unless you get a new model directly from hornby that hasnt been touch post-build and do a comparison. That could possibly give you answer on who to fully blame. The BR Standard tender locomotives always have a broken piece of detail even if it's unoticeable. My BR Standard 7MT "ANZAC" has a handrail that out of socket. My model was new and untouched( i know who to blame🤨)
-Greetings from USA!😃
That's absolutely right - knowing the model has been touched since it left the factory stops you from being able to blame Hornby for the issues!
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Seems you get one from a bad batch. I had to return my Hornby LMS Black Five (and get another one in working order) because the gearing was broken, and it cannot run more than an half-metre before stopping and making a grinding noise. Problems like this happens sometimes... and I think it is unacceptable to ship you a locomotive with quality issues from a shop that is supposed to look at them before sending you the item ! At least, they ought to have swapped it for another one without broken parts, missing details pack and glue marks, and return this one to the manufacturer.
For my own, I would only accept those kind of issues from a retailer that does NOT check the locomotives before sending them to you. As an example, I have recently received an Oxford Rail wagon with a popped out axle and NO couplings, but I don't mind : I've put the axle back in its bearings and take the lack of couplings as a good reason to start buying kadees, what I had always planned...
For the lubrication, I thing this might be the result of a mistranslation. Margate told the factory to "use a dropper", and the factory production department understood "use a dipper" instead...
Well, if you have a good condition model and minus GBP 25 on the price, this would have deserved three stars on value and quality instead of two. Hornby mechanisms are top level, just one notch below what Oxford Rail ones, and they have put a five poles motor, just missing a flywheel. I think this model deserves a retooling. Or a minus GBP 50 on the RRP.
Sorry to hear you had a similar problem Oliver - at least mine ran reasonably well! I wonder whether some of the parts could have been damaged during the testing process - it doesn't take much to damage models these days! All the more reason to leave unpacking to the customer!
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Obviously, it would have a back coupling because it’s gonna be pulling some coaches or wagons on your layout. If the loco doesn’t have anything at the back, then it would be ludicrously unacceptable because now the locomotive can’t pull anything without a use for a coupling.
haha of course! But sometimes they're not pre-fitted!
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Just bought one from Hattons for £70. Pre owned but the only thing broken was the roof vents (which I always open anyway) so....bargain!!
Not bad at all mate - hope you enjoy that! :D
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I recently took delivery of a Hornby S15 (R.3412). Upon opening the packing the entire bogie assembly was found to be detached from the chassis with the wheels and plastic plate securing them to the body of the bogie rattling around loose. I fixed that but upon running it I discovered that it randomly sped up and decelerated. It also ran slowly. It also heats up somewhat disconcertingly. I'm assuming the running gear is similar to the Hornby Arthur which runs faultlessly, so there is definitely some inconsistency in production. Thanks for another comprehensive review.
Yes I think my S15 was the same - the bogie design is quite weak! That motor issue is quite common with the S15 too - it is a fault, so you would be able to return it for a replacement if you wanted to!
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this looks a great model but the quality and price is shocking I might try to find one second hand if it's quite old. the cab painting is actually quite accurate not for a heritage railway maybe but I'm told in the 1950s most cab control's were black cuz it was cheap so I think it's nice to see it like that than done up like it's carrying the queen
Thanks mate - yes I wasn't too happy about that either. Yes I had a feeling that was realistic too - looked great anyway!
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Hi Sam, good video. The "Tangle" of brass coloured plastic behind the safety valves is a "Steam Turret" which is hidden in the cab on most locos. The designer must have run out of space in the cab, or they initially forgot about it, lol. As a personal preference, I am not very fussy on the "Standard" classes, except the 9Fs of course. Likewise I do not like double chimneys. They seem to take away the beauty of many locos. As I have said before, extreme crawl speed is not normally needed on tender locos. Only a reasonable crawl is needed for coupling up. I pride myself that I never push my wagons/carriages backwards when coupling up, unless the couplings are over a permanent uncoupling ramp. I always position myself so that I can see the couplings when picking up a train. I realise that you are not able to do this on your reviews. Regards, Alan.
Hi Alan, thanks very much for the info on that - much appreciate it! Yeah this is very true!!
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Nice looking but and a big but.
First the price, it isn't in my opinion a loco I would spend £170 on.
I love steam loco's and particularly this model.
If this purchase was brand new, then I would have sent it straight back with a very curt letter requesting a refund. ( There should not be a need to test a model in store that is brand new?. ) even removing from the box makes it second hand to me.
Maybe I am wrong on this point and would appreciate your or anyone else's advice on this point.
In my opinion the Onus on the quality/ build/ running would then be down to Hornby. I think you have been sold a pup. It's your choice of course. I would send it back.
I enjoy your reviews and find them very helpful. Keep them coming.
I am new to railway modelling and as yet don't own any Loco's. It looks like a minefield out there.
Thank you and kind regards. Malcolm.
Thanks Malcolm - I'm with you there, £170 seems far too much. And I completely agree - having been previously unboxed and 'tested', this was second hand by definition.
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Hello Sam. Maybe you should review some marklin and piko locomotives in the future?
Ooh great idea Michael!! :D
I remember 75008, its home shed for many years was Oxford,81F,. I spent most of my childhood trainspotting there. I always saw this loco in black livery, even after convetsion to a double chimney. Can anyone verify this? Looks good in green though!
Ahh fantastic Chris - must be great memories - thanks for sharing! :D
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I've noticed people with missing details and broken parts from Hornby locos recently, I recently had to replace a limited Edition Sir Nigel Gresley Centenary train set due to a broken connecting rod, (although this might have been the fault of Rails of Sheffield, as they told me that they tested the replacement model, so obviously they tested the original model and it may have broken while they put it back in the box or during delivery), but nonetheless Rails apologised and sent a replacement set which was thankfully intact, but I really shouldn't have needed to do this, especially as I also recently got a Hornby A4 Mallard in BR Blue from Rails and I had absolutely no problems with it. I also once got a Hornby A4 Golden Eagle in 2016 from Hattons but had the nameplate upside down, thankfully got a replacement, but it was clear that this was a factory fault. However, these were the only times when I had to return a Hornby model to be replaced, the only other time was with a Bachmann model.
These issues mostly seems to be happening to Hornby though which is a shame, I know Hornby can do much better than this and I love Hornby. I think there are problems with the Chinese factory that is producing them and I've heard that they had a falling out, especially as that same factory also produces Bachmann locos. I think Hornby needs to find a new production factory, one that actually cares about models and about handling them with care.
Thanks for sharing Fraser - yes that's very common with modern Hornby models sadly - and yes, I'm not overly keen on retailers unboxing and testing models either! Glad to hear all was sorted in the end though!
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I don’t know why retailers aren’t careful when it comes to handling models. If they’re gonna sell the locomotive, then they should put everything back in the box and also make sure that the locomotive is in good condition.
I don't know either mate :(
A nice model potentially ruined by a clumsy retailer. I am not totally against pretesting but believe the retailers should only do so at the buyers request usually when buying in person rather than on line, that way you can keep an eye on the proceeds. The oil is how I have found most models to come, it may be to prevent moisture build up when shipped around the metal moving parts that could otherwise rust.
Thanks a lot Rob - I agree, it shouldn't be done as a matter of course, though the option for testing is fine!
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Sorry to hijack the 4MT discussion but I am still waiting to hear a reply to a question that I really would like an answer to. I recently purchased the railroad version of the Flying Scotsman. I was reasonably happy with the engine which runs well and agreed with your review. However would you let me know which version you think is the best to buy. I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.
Best Wishes and really missing your Sunday stream.
It's up to you Simon - the Railroad ones are fine if you want some basic functionality at a reasonable price. If you care about the extra detail, the Hornby Railways ones are much more expensive but with better detail. Mechanically, there's very little difference!
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In the USA, there are regulations regarding tank cars not being placed next to occupied train cars (like cabooses) or locomotives, especially if their contents are considered harmful or dangerous. This requires cars of other types to be placed in the train in between tankers so that they act as safety buffers. Presumably, I would guess that similar rules exist in the U.K., don’t they?
Ooh really?? I've never heard of that before - thanks for the info!!
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Poll: 97% of people who took this poll said yes.
2% said no.
What about the extra 1%? RUclips logic is amazing.
haha - each result is rounded, so they could be up to 1% off!
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Honestly, imagine, instead of a model locomotive, you buy a top level concert piano, a Bosendorfer or, if you don't have the budget, a Yamaha, you get it delivered and you find a card on it saying "tested by Jerry Lee Lewis before delivery"... Seems that your 4MT might have the same kind of issue with your retailer testing it before shipping it to you !
haha you're right - I'll be adding delivery notes in future, asking for no testing to be carried out! ;D
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Did you hear lil uzi vert’s new album
No I didn't - is it good?!
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With you on the potential carelessness of retailers (perhaps through complacency?). I recently bought a second hand Lima Class 47 from one of the 'big ones' in the UK and in their pictures they used to sell it it had buffers and a limited edition certificate, when it arrived both were missing, I'm guessing after being test run (you need to remove the buffers to remove the body) these were not replaced and mislaid. I have given them opportunity to find them but they appear lost, never seem to get problems when I buy from personal sellers.
Thanks mate, you could be right - we're humans after all, and prone to error, but it does sting given how much these cost! Sorry to hear about that - yes I bet you're right there - I've forgotten to replace those buffers on my example too, but it's odd that they weren't found?!
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Really looking forward to this review then so disappointed with the model you had i have one in br back and its flawless runs beautifully and so much more cab detail its a Hornby model what i did notice was the box and packaging did look different to what you opened but still so gutted at to what is one of my favourite trains to run and at a crawl can hardly tell its moving its that good fantastic review but gutted about the model you had wish i could show you mine to see how good they can be!
Thanks Kevin - yeah it was a bit of a shame - great to hear yours was much better though! :D
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