The LSWR coach livery was officially chocolate brown and salmon pink -- Hornby's version is pretty good. However varnishes of the day, which were applied to coaches in several coats, tended to age quickly and generate a slightly brownish tint which made the 'pink' look a bit 'tan,' as another comment says. Apparently this is where the GWR's famous 'chocolate and cream' comes from. The original plan was to have coaches white above the waist, but varnishing -- which in those days was essential to preserve the paint -- inevitably tinted the white appearance almost at once. So after a while Swindon admitted defeat and went for a pale cream instead of pure white. The LNWR refused to accept defeat in a similar battle, and reportedly turned to a slightly BLUE shade of 'white,' so that under varnish it actually looked more or less white. Excellent and impartial review, as always. I'm an LSWR fan myself, but of Adams rather than Drummond locos. The strange thing is, this T9 appears to be in Adams livery; Drummond added a brownish-pink line between the white lining and black borders. Weird...
Many thanks for sharing this David, I wonder if folks will weather theirs to reflect that then? Appreciate all the extra information, Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The lack of movement on the front bogie wheels really bugs me about this loco. T9s are good overall, but I honestly prefer the transitional livery shade of green, or an olive green on them.
I know it's not your usual thing but I think this loco is a prime candidate for a good weathering job, it'd darken the livery down to a more realistic color, bring out some of the molded detail that's currently getting lost in the sea of toothpaste green and black, and help with those very plasticky wheels.
I slept on it, and reviewed your video for the third time, and if a sticky wheel is the worst that can be said, then I'm in. I'm going to put an order in today, as a direct and immediate result of your analysis. I rather like the toothpaste, and I recall someone in the comments said this color is actually correct. I particularly like that Hornby put in all wheel contacts- that is pretty darn nice, and I'd guess the extra friction is why she has to have traction tyres. A beautiful model of an elegant Victorian age steamer.
That's great news Jeffrey - if you bear in mind the slight downsides, I think you'll find this an excellent model overall - good luck! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I own a T9 in olive green and I really like them. The T9 in LSWR green looks beautiful. A note on the livery, the model is the correct shade of green not the picture on the box. Yet another great review Sam by far the best channel on RUclips.
Everyone loves a T9. I have one on display as a present and love the livery. I think it shows off the beautiful lines of the engine. Dougal Drummond knew how to draw and pretty engine. Really pleased you bought one. Thanks for the review!
Hello, Sam! My congratulations on your new locomotive! Well detailed, has a good mechanism, and the price is reasonable, too. That livery is lovely, but I personally prefer the malachite green of the SR. Thank you very much for an another entertaining and educative video! P.S.: I guess, on your layout there is no LMS 4-4-0 type locos.
Common problem (and easily fixable) on the Water Cart Tender on the T9 - it's either flash or burring on the brake blocks or tender chassis keeper plate ;)
Hi Sam I got an old hornby triang Continental Tank engine and I put the Bodyshell on a modern hornby 0-4-0 Chassis I Absolutely love it I mainly run the loco with a Goods train and it flies round the track as a result of this I have nicknamed it Speedy Gonzales The Locomotive Looks like a European Locomotive or a South American Locomotive
And In my favorite era livery, Lovely review 👌 plus I also hear that 120 will actually return to the Bodmin & Wenford Railway for a time once the boiler work has been done with
Hi Sam, the colour is unusual but nicely different. Hard to match carriages but hey, we are where we are with that one. Will this go round a 1st radius curve with the tender having 4 axles rather than 3 ?
The livery is one of two that were used by the London and South Western Railway. It’s the Apple Green variant rather than the olive. The olive was used for long distance stoppers, while the Apple Green was used for nonstopper s
Not true: the"Apple Green" livery was the passenger locomotive livery for LSWR locomotives in the Urie era, goods engines were black with green lining. The model as illustrated here is in the BR(SR) preservation livery which was this rather bright green abnd appears to have been somewhat more startling than the actual Urie green. Olive green was a colour used by the Southern railway during Maunsell's tenure, the later Southern green was Bulleid's Malachite Green which is as represented on Sam's other green T9.
LSWR Coaches would've been in Salmon Pink on the top half and (a slightly purple) chocolate on the bottom half with white roofs, also do like the T9, do need to get round to seeing the last one at some point once everything opens up again. Also did recently try to get a job at an ex-LSWR station however not had the best of luck but oh well, great video as always Sam! ~James
That shade of green is spot on for when the preserved loco wore LSWR green. Of course no one alive can remember having seen a loco in the original livery but if you look at photos of the preserved loco this is a good match. The pre-release catalog photos showed a shade of green that was far too dark, more like 1920s Southern Railway green
Having seen this locomotive on Jennifer Kirk’s channel, I can tell you what I think of it!! It’s drop dead gorgeous!! It looks wonderful, runs well and, with a really good sound chip, sounds fantastic!!
If you want an unexpected slow crawler, and a locomotive that might change your views on other models, I’d say look into getting an Athearn Challenger or Big Boy. I own an Athearn Challenger and it crawls slowly & smoothy and operates perfectly.
Hi Sam. You say "the lovely Hornby T9 in LSWR green!" I say "Bilious green" - each to his own. I do prefer the Hornby product livery image. I love the axle-rich tender! Having said that, I think the wheels (on the loco too) should have been metal (or at least not looking plasticy). I like the way that one of the boiler pipes follows faithfully the splasher. While the diecast boiler is a bonus, a diecast running plate may have obviated the need for the traction tyres.
Hi Sam, from Beautiful East Texas, where Spring is actually popping even while I write to you. I think this is a spectacular model. I already had one in Southern green, but I much prefer this one in the Mint green. That said, I think it is not an accurate colour. If you will check out pages 311-15 of Nigel J.L. Digby’s The Liveries of The Pre-Grouping Railways, Vol. 4, you will see that it is too light. The illustration on the outer sleeve of the model’s box is itself too light, but much closer to Digby’s referenced green colour. Still, I think it is a gorgeous livery and I am looking forward to running it with some of the new 4 and 6 wheel coaches from Hornby and Hatton’s. Keep up the Great work, Sam, I really appreciate it.
Thanks a lot John - yes we're starting to see some spring too, very good news! Thanks a lot for sharing - hope all is well in Texas! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I am so glad you are thinking of us Sam when you brought the T9 makes all us mere mortals fell so much better .. Love the loco great video as always always look forward to your videos
@@SamsTrains your welcome always love watching your videos good dose of humour and good clear facts and most of all you tell it how you find it in the case of fit and finish and quality ...Keep up the great work all the best
I love the Southern style "water car" tender, I will be ordering this model for my oo-ho layout. I will look into the front leading truck's first axle not rotating as much as the rear axle on the front leading truck.
In regards to the color, as some one who grew up with Thomas, I love the bright colors. More real engines need to have bright colors, the look is splendid. Almost as splendid as James.
Wow what a impressive model. The diecast boiler really make it special. The green color is very interesting. The loco reminds me of Edward but much bigger. Also am I the only one who thinks that the tender is massive. It looks so huge. Great review, Sam 👍
Evening Sam, another good watch so thank you. Ref the colour: The first thing that I thought of when you took the sleeve off was that colour looks very similar to the first of the little 0-4-0 Peckett you reviewed a couple of years back. Having just started doing my own loco and wagon painting I have to say colour is so subjective. In this case there is an actual loco to compare it to, but short of actually holding the model next to the real thing...... For what it’s worth, I like it.
The only reason I don't consider T9s or Schools Classes is because of the traction tyres. Hate the things. Awesome video. Love the LSWR livery. CONGRATULATIONS on 99,000 subscribers! Been subbed since 500. Hope you get to 100,000 soon!
Absolutely beautiful locomotive. One thing that did kinda bothered me, during the running session. One of the tender wheels & the front wheels of the bogie looked like they were not turning properly. Like sticking.
Ah, this model! I placed an order for one of these last week, though had to refund because I wanted to get it for a significant price cheaper via hattons. I'm still waiting on the refund to get it. I've had a static model of the T9 which I found utterly fascinating and I can now safely count myself a fan of the LSWR. When I get the chance, I plan on getting Hattons' 4 and 6 wheel coaches in LSWR livery!
Hi Sam. As I'm composing this posting, I'm looking at a photo of an Adams Radial on my nearest heritage line, the Bluebell Railway. Its colour is even more toothpasty green than your T9, but it still looks 'pretty'. It's pulling LSWR chocolate & salmon pink carriages which is correct for the era. However, it could also have easily been pulling SR olive green coaches which would also have been appropriate for that time period. Confusingly, I'm also looking at a photo of a LSWR M7 with a chocolate & salmon pink carriage stationed outside the NRM in York, but the green appears much darker than your T9 or the above mentioned Adams Radial. I think that the ambient lighting plays a big part in official photos, a point that is often never made by the publishers of these pictures. Photos I've seen of locos in the NRM, especially the Q1, are of locos that are extremely brightly lit, thus not really representative of their true shading. Pity.
Excellent review Sam, I reckon the next T9 you review should be the six-wheel tender version. Actually that coal load rattling in the tender almost sounds like a cat purring, I do have one of these, I bought it for over £100, it came in a class 37 box, it had bent piping and smooth starting is literally non existent, you turn it to the speed you want and a second or two later it shoots off instantly.
An absolute beauty. There are some real T9 photos that suggest this livery is probably spot on such as in 1963 shortly after the real thing was preserved. Perhaps the greatest flaw is that Hornby doesn't properly represent what you get in the packaging or on their site for some of their locos. The image looks like a work in progress rather than what people can really expect. They really should update images and packaging to better reflect the final product. Other than that much to like if people love the livery.
i have one but it is still in its box still trying to build my layout. having one disabled arm makes track laying a slow nightmare but love what i see here from a time when elegance was a requirement also the water gauges are my equivalent of your sprung buffers
To my eyes, the livery on the locomotive is the correct one. Have a look at the website 'Preserved British Steam Locomotive' and you will find colour photos of it in this livery from the 60s.
LSWR coaches are a two tone brown and cream similar to GWR but slightly different shades. The green is closer to prototype than the picture and is the same as the LSRW adams radial. Still a bit expensive though.
I had a Hornby where the front bogie wheels didn't turn. A quick bend downwards was all that was required. The clue this needs doing is the rear wheels on the bogie are lifting the main drive wheels off the track slightly.
Loved the cab detail on the T9, shows what Hornby can do when they try. Wot! no LMS. Compound 1000 is one of my favourite locos. I have an old one with a smoke generator.
The livery is in fact correct. I don't think the livery on the box was ever worn. Yes yes, the southern was not that. It was an olive with a green colour not what we see on the store. The T9 wore this livery when it was first preserved. It wore this until one of it's overhauls when it was outshopped in the inferior BR Black. T9s were speedy reaching upwards of 80 and 90 miles an hour, there's even a rumor of one touching one hundred during BR days. I wonder when Hornby's going to make a Drummond green with the purple-brownish lining like on your Terrier! The LSWR Coaches were Chocolate and Salmon coloured and even though that sounds terrible it actually looks really good! If I wake up in time. I'm probably gonna request this with your other T9s lol. Great review Sam and thank you for buying for this for us. Not a lot of RUclipsrs do stuff like that.
Thanks a lot Alco - that could explain it! Definitely not the loco I thought I was buying, that's for sure! Many thanks for the info, Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Once there was a wise and blue engine with 8 small wheels and a colour... a colour... so beautiful that itmade the birds sing, he would always keep the other engines in order and help others up the hill.
I had a similar problem with my black 5 I got recently (it was the back wheels on the front bogey however) and I just bent the rod it was connected to a bit and it fixed it in no time.
Jenny Kirk reviewed this a couple of weeks ago and my first impression was yuk pea green , but it grew on me . The cab looks fantastic . Not sure how realistic the green is . Given that Hornby get BR Green wrong can we be sure this is an accurate shade of LS&WR green . It’s certainly something different!
Beautiful model Sam, especially in this livery! We’re lucky to have a preserved example! The National Railway Museum recently extended loan agreement with the Swanage Railway but I think they should give the railway full possession of the engine!
There are pictures on FlickR that show the original in the 60's. Seems the colour of the model is pretty accurate. Hattons Genesis coaches include the LSWR livery.
Lovely loco. Good video. The model shown is superheated and with capuchin on the chimney. Regarding the livery, on the real thing it would weather and the varnish darken, altering our perception of the colour. Smokebox area looks really good.
Amazing review on the beautiful T9 locomotive in the LSWR green! The green does look pretty washed out in the light, but it still looks pretty nice although I’d prefer the more vibrant Southern Green version! I like the amount of detail on this T9 and I remember this being one of your most delicate locomotives in your collection! The performance is pretty good but I don’t like how the front wheels and one tender wheel stop rolling. But ignoring those things, this locomotive is great! 😃👍
Regarding livery of coaches, early Southern dark olive green with an LSWR loco pulling them is acceptable; The first 02 tanks sent to the Isle Of Wight in 1923 ran in their LSWR liveries and numbers until 1925. There was a transition period into the big four just as there was big four into BR.
That’s one beautiful locomotive you got there. I’d like to see more of it! Also I realised that I haven’t asked for requests in a long time, so I guess here’s one A running session for locomotives that are light green 🤔
The green may not be the same as the photo but it is historically accurate this model represents lswr pea green similar to the preserved lswr t3. The photos on Hornby's website depicted the darker earlier green.
Looks brilliant, I was thinking about it, then I heard two words that stopped me, traction tyres, I really dont like them, if only I either get one without them, or find a decent way of replacing them with something better.
Put it this way Sam, if the T-9 didn't have traction tyres it wouldn't passed the pulling the skin off the rice pudding test.. White Metal rot - Sanda Kan (who were Hornby's Manufacture at the times when it struck) had acquired iffy batches of white metal that affected a number of loco's. Air-Smoothed West Country/Battle of Britain's, Modified Merchant Navies, Rebuilt Patriot & Royal Scot, T9's to name but a few. It tended to be either the front bogies or the front motor mount. To be fair Bachmann had similar issues with running plates on a steam loco at the same time.
Great review! I really appreciate locos in the much more interesting pre-Grouping colors. Would love to see more pre-Grouping locos in the future as opportunity permits!
Nice tender engine. I am glad about the die cast boiler Hornby have been getting a lot of stick for it and personally I like the livery and traction tyres don’t bother me brilliant video Sam 🙂
Just wish Hornby did a version of the T9 in this livery without the supper heater! They look so much more elegant with a slimmer smokebox in my opinion! a bit like the Adams radial or M7
Hey Sam, will it be possible to review a Bachmann class 24, or class 66. They are both pretty old models so shouldn't cost your whole wallet, but are great models. Also Sutton Locomotive Works have got a class 24 which is now known as the best diesel model design ever! Thanks, Grievous
The cab detail looks fantastic, up close you notice that the wheels are a different colour to the livery, and then even after running in the front wheels were still dragging a bit.
if hornby does re-do their Edward, they should use the T9 because its proportions the look, its just beautiful. ttte aside, the t9is one of my favourite locomotive. its the second in my favourites.
There are pictures of 120 from the early 1970's where it does appear to wear pretty much that colour, but the LSWR did also have a darker green somewhat similar to GNR green. As for me I think it's one of the best colours used on a British locomotive, a proper sunshine shade, but a devil to keep clean I'm sure. By the way, LSWR coaches were two tone, salmon pink over brown.
Yeah I've seen those - it does look very similar to that - that's just not the model I bought is all! Thanks a lot for sharing! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Not sure I go for the colour, but light colours show detail better including the expensive glue detailing? Not at my age that matters as even wearing glasses fine detail is lost most of the time (young eye's enjoy your fine detail while you may). For the price I do think the detail pack could have included a set of non traction Tyre wheels. The Greyhound is such an elegant looking locomotive and your example looks agood runner, I'm tempted...
The T9 is beautiful in her own charming and attractive way. I don't have a T9 in my collection and never will have. I've never had a favourite Hornby engine till now. My favourite Hornby engine in general hasn't yet made your hair stand on end: Spookie the ghostly grey Peckett 0-4-0 Saddle Tank Engine. In fact, I've drawn a Peckett Saddle Tank Engine to go with a piece of poetry I wrote. The drawing isn't accurate, but I drew the steamy free-hand as I didn't have a photo or postcard to copy from. I'm pleased with my first attempt, and when I've taken a photo of it, I'll send it to you via email. When I was at school, I earned this title: a good little artist. Art & Design was always a favourite subject of mine.
Limecomotive/10, Interesting model. I wonder why there are no connecting rods to any sort of cylinders? The only other locomotive I really know that does this is the PRR steam turbine, which I have a postwar Lionel version on my layout. Anyways, thanks for the great content, and congrats on being close to 100k! I mean you're so close, might as well already be there.
I checked out my Caledonia Works LSWR T9 (for Train Simulator) after watching this. The CW T9 comes in a ton of liveries, including several I consider 'light green'. None matched the green seen here. Then again, it might well be that Hornby has the right of it. I like Hornby's light green, but prefer the color shown on its box.
Yeah it's a weird green - not saying for certain it's wrong, just that it's not the model that was advertised when I bought it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The LSWR coach livery was officially chocolate brown and salmon pink -- Hornby's version is pretty good. However varnishes of the day, which were applied to coaches in several coats, tended to age quickly and generate a slightly brownish tint which made the 'pink' look a bit 'tan,' as another comment says.
Apparently this is where the GWR's famous 'chocolate and cream' comes from. The original plan was to have coaches white above the waist, but varnishing -- which in those days was essential to preserve the paint -- inevitably tinted the white appearance almost at once. So after a while Swindon admitted defeat and went for a pale cream instead of pure white. The LNWR refused to accept defeat in a similar battle, and reportedly turned to a slightly BLUE shade of 'white,' so that under varnish it actually looked more or less white.
Excellent and impartial review, as always. I'm an LSWR fan myself, but of Adams rather than Drummond locos. The strange thing is, this T9 appears to be in Adams livery; Drummond added a brownish-pink line between the white lining and black borders. Weird...
Many thanks for sharing this David, I wonder if folks will weather theirs to reflect that then? Appreciate all the extra information,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looks beautiful, almost makes you sad that early BR painted so many of their steam locos plain black .😎😎😎
Yeah it's a pity - they looked better in greens for sure!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains more new engines please
I agree with that.
Man, you are right on the spot with these 4-4-0 models you have! The shade of color looks nice on the engine 💚 Just neat and impeccable 💯💯
I love 4-4-0s they have such an elegant look!
Yeah me too Zac! :D
@@SamsTrains I have a model railway channel. And I'm wondering how to get it going. Any advice?
The lack of movement on the front bogie wheels really bugs me about this loco. T9s are good overall, but I honestly prefer the transitional livery shade of green, or an olive green on them.
Yeah good spot - I only noticed that in the edit - it's because of the pickups - I need to adjust them!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Mine was the same and also couldn’t haul the skin of a rice pudding!
Me: just having a bad day
Sam: come, this is no place to have a bad day
Agree
Agree
Agree
haha sure - no bad days allowed here! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains only if its the efe well tank or a heljan steam locomotive (exception lms garatt)
I know it's not your usual thing but I think this loco is a prime candidate for a good weathering job, it'd darken the livery down to a more realistic color, bring out some of the molded detail that's currently getting lost in the sea of toothpaste green and black, and help with those very plasticky wheels.
I slept on it, and reviewed your video for the third time, and if a sticky wheel is the worst that can be said, then I'm in. I'm going to put an order in today, as a direct and immediate result of your analysis. I rather like the toothpaste, and I recall someone in the comments said this color is actually correct. I particularly like that Hornby put in all wheel contacts- that is pretty darn nice, and I'd guess the extra friction is why she has to have traction tyres. A beautiful model of an elegant Victorian age steamer.
That's great news Jeffrey - if you bear in mind the slight downsides, I think you'll find this an excellent model overall - good luck! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I own a T9 in olive green and I really like them. The T9 in LSWR green looks beautiful. A note on the livery, the model is the correct shade of green not the picture on the box. Yet another great review Sam by far the best channel on RUclips.
Thanks for sharing Peter - ahh interesting - yes confused by this one really! Really appreciate it mate,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Ooooh I do love lswr pea green it's sooooooo rare in model form. I'm really glad Hornby finally chose this livery. Great review as always Sam :D
Yeah me too - it's epic to see isn't it?!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Love an lswr as the station in my town was originally part of that railway great video Sam
Fantastic Harry - I don't blame you then!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey Sam, you forgot to add in “details” the history chapter last until the mechanism
Thank you! Fixed it now!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Everyone loves a T9. I have one on display as a present and love the livery. I think it shows off the beautiful lines of the engine. Dougal Drummond knew how to draw and pretty engine. Really pleased you bought one. Thanks for the review!
I agree - fantastic locos aren't they? He certainly did!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hello, Sam! My congratulations on your new locomotive! Well detailed, has a good mechanism, and the price is reasonable, too. That livery is lovely, but I personally prefer the malachite green of the SR. Thank you very much for an another entertaining and educative video! P.S.: I guess, on your layout there is no LMS 4-4-0 type locos.
Thanks very much - yeah overall can't fault this one too much, very good model! Well spotted, that's right!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@Sam'strain hi sam i noticed at 25:17 when you were trying the slow speed the 2nd set of wheels from the back were sticking
Common problem (and easily fixable) on the Water Cart Tender on the T9 - it's either flash or burring on the brake blocks or tender chassis keeper plate ;)
Yeah good spot - I only noticed that in the edit - it's because of the pickups - I need to adjust them!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains but should you have to do that on a brand new model at that price?
@@toboldlygosmodelworks1973oh man that is good to know. Mine sticks badly, I’ll pull the keeper plate off and check, thanks!
Hi Sam I got an old hornby triang Continental Tank engine and I put the Bodyshell on a modern hornby 0-4-0 Chassis I Absolutely love it I mainly run the loco with a Goods train and it flies round the track as a result of this I have nicknamed it Speedy Gonzales The Locomotive Looks like a European Locomotive or a South American Locomotive
Ooh that sounds cool Lewis, I do love those! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains hi Sam please may you do a Strength test with your Garratt pulling all of your OCEAN wagons you have as I love the Garratt
Actually, concerning the livery, it's still kind of right since your Adam's Radial from Oxford has the same shade of green, so it's not so bad
I was thinking the same thing
My Oxford Adams radial has a totally different shade of green though - next to each-other they're not even close!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
And In my favorite era livery, Lovely review 👌 plus I also hear that 120 will actually return to the Bodmin & Wenford Railway for a time once the boiler work has been done with
Thanks mate - really glad to hear that! Wow that's awesome news - would love to go see it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks for the review Sam, what a beautiful loco. If only all Hornby locos were built to this quality!
Thanks mate - yeah absolutely true!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The livery colour is absolutely spot on , the wheels however are another thing,
Hi Sam, the colour is unusual but nicely different. Hard to match carriages but hey, we are where we are with that one. Will this go round a 1st radius curve with the tender having 4 axles rather than 3 ?
The livery is one of two that were used by the London and South Western Railway. It’s the Apple Green variant rather than the olive. The olive was used for long distance stoppers, while the Apple Green was used for nonstopper s
Not true: the"Apple Green" livery was the passenger locomotive livery for LSWR locomotives in the Urie era, goods engines were black with green lining. The model as illustrated here is in the BR(SR) preservation livery which was this rather bright green abnd appears to have been somewhat more startling than the actual Urie green.
Olive green was a colour used by the Southern railway during Maunsell's tenure, the later Southern green was Bulleid's Malachite Green which is as represented on Sam's other green T9.
Hornby should hire you as top of marketing because I’ve purchased so many train because of your videos.
Thanks 😁
haha thanks so much Tom - glad to hear that! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
LSWR Coaches would've been in Salmon Pink on the top half and (a slightly purple) chocolate on the bottom half with white roofs, also do like the T9, do need to get round to seeing the last one at some point once everything opens up again.
Also did recently try to get a job at an ex-LSWR station however not had the best of luck but oh well, great video as always Sam!
~James
im never first,im never last,but when sam uploads i click fast
haha love it - very poetic! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Same here mate!
That shade of green is spot on for when the preserved loco wore LSWR green. Of course no one alive can remember having seen a loco in the original livery but if you look at photos of the preserved loco this is a good match. The pre-release catalog photos showed a shade of green that was far too dark, more like 1920s Southern Railway green
Having seen this locomotive on Jennifer Kirk’s channel, I can tell you what I think of it!! It’s drop dead gorgeous!! It looks wonderful, runs well and, with a really good sound chip, sounds fantastic!!
As someone with too many expensive and space hogging hobbies already, thanks for letting me vicariously live this one
haha no problem Aaron, it's a pleasure!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam, your track is uneven, hence the slipping. the tender is on a rise in the track and lifting the drive wheels up.
Thank you Sam for always being a man of the people! Congrats on 99k!!! So close now! Any plans to celebrate yet? Hope you’re well!
haha it's a pleasure Harry! Yeah I have one or two ideas - I'm thinking!! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
What a beautiful train Sam good job keeping it nice and clean
Thanks a lot Randy, glad you liked it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Personally I like the livery,glad it’s a great model for the price!-Ben
Me too Ben - I agree! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
If you want an unexpected slow crawler, and a locomotive that might change your views on other models, I’d say look into getting an Athearn Challenger or Big Boy. I own an Athearn Challenger and it crawls slowly & smoothy and operates perfectly.
Hi Sam. You say "the lovely Hornby T9 in LSWR green!" I say "Bilious green" - each to his own. I do prefer the Hornby product livery image. I love the axle-rich tender! Having said that, I think the wheels (on the loco too) should have been metal (or at least not looking plasticy). I like the way that one of the boiler pipes follows faithfully the splasher. While the diecast boiler is a bonus, a diecast running plate may have obviated the need for the traction tyres.
Hi Sam, from Beautiful East Texas, where Spring is actually popping even while I write to you. I think this is a spectacular model. I already had one in Southern green, but I much prefer this one in the Mint green. That said, I think it is not an accurate colour. If you will check out pages 311-15 of Nigel J.L. Digby’s The Liveries of The Pre-Grouping Railways, Vol. 4, you will see that it is too light. The illustration on the outer sleeve of the model’s box is itself too light, but much closer to Digby’s referenced green colour. Still, I think it is a gorgeous livery and I am looking forward to running it with some of the new 4 and 6 wheel coaches from Hornby and Hatton’s. Keep up the Great work, Sam, I really appreciate it.
Thanks a lot John - yes we're starting to see some spring too, very good news! Thanks a lot for sharing - hope all is well in Texas!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I am so glad you are thinking of us Sam when you brought the T9 makes all us mere mortals fell so much better ..
Love the loco great video as always always look forward to your videos
haha thanks Robert, really appreciate it anyway mate,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains your welcome always love watching your videos good dose of humour and good clear facts and most of all you tell it how you find it in the case of fit and finish and quality ...Keep up the great work all the best
No LMS that i could see....
Looks lovely, wonder if its been hanging out near a nuclear plant....
Well done - that's the one!! :D
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I love the Southern style "water car" tender, I will be ordering this model for my oo-ho layout. I will look into the front leading truck's first axle not rotating as much as the rear axle on the front leading truck.
In regards to the color, as some one who grew up with Thomas, I love the bright colors. More real engines need to have bright colors, the look is splendid. Almost as splendid as James.
Yeah I love the bright colours too don't get me wrong... it's just not what was advertised! ;D
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Wow what a impressive model. The diecast boiler really make it special. The green color is very interesting. The loco reminds me of Edward but much bigger. Also am I the only one who thinks that the tender is massive. It looks so huge. Great review, Sam 👍
It does look very nice. Maybe the green could be a bit glossier, but then 'its not easy being green'.
That LSWR green T9 4-4-0 steam tender locomotive looks extremely beautiful Sam's Trains.
Thanks Bryan, glad you think so too! :D
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This is the best content on youtube
Evening Sam, another good watch so thank you.
Ref the colour: The first thing that I thought of when you took the sleeve off was that colour looks very similar to the first of the little 0-4-0 Peckett you reviewed a couple of years back.
Having just started doing my own loco and wagon painting I have to say colour is so subjective. In this case there is an actual loco to compare it to, but short of actually holding the model next to the real thing......
For what it’s worth, I like it.
Hornby has released LSWR Coaches which compliment the model nicely. I know because I hope to get one and some of each!
I might be starting a model railway soon, once i get my first paycheck and this is one of the engines i want and i LOVE the color.
That's awesome - hope it all goes well for you! :D
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This is what I wish hornby had used for Edward when they had the Thomas line out it is beautiful model
The only reason I don't consider T9s or Schools Classes is because of the traction tyres. Hate the things.
Awesome video. Love the LSWR livery.
CONGRATULATIONS on 99,000 subscribers!
Been subbed since 500. Hope you get to 100,000 soon!
Absolutely beautiful locomotive. One thing that did kinda bothered me, during the running session. One of the tender wheels & the front wheels of the bogie looked like they were not turning properly. Like sticking.
Looks like the actual engine Edward was, very much like the actual model SO cool mate!
Fun fact: Edward was actually a furness railway k2
Ah, this model! I placed an order for one of these last week, though had to refund because I wanted to get it for a significant price cheaper via hattons. I'm still waiting on the refund to get it.
I've had a static model of the T9 which I found utterly fascinating and I can now safely count myself a fan of the LSWR. When I get the chance, I plan on getting Hattons' 4 and 6 wheel coaches in LSWR livery!
Ahh hope they sort you out mate, keep me posted! Yep, I'm a fan too! :D
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G'day Sam
That's a stunner of locomotive. The color looks great in my humble opinion. I'd have no hesitation in adding this beauty to my collection.
Hi Sam.
As I'm composing this posting, I'm looking at a photo of an Adams Radial on my nearest heritage line, the Bluebell Railway. Its colour is even more toothpasty green than your T9, but it still looks 'pretty'. It's pulling LSWR chocolate & salmon pink carriages which is correct for the era. However, it could also have easily been pulling SR olive green coaches which would also have been appropriate for that time period. Confusingly, I'm also looking at a photo of a LSWR M7 with a chocolate & salmon pink carriage stationed outside the NRM in York, but the green appears much darker than your T9 or the above mentioned Adams Radial. I think that the ambient lighting plays a big part in official photos, a point that is often never made by the publishers of these pictures. Photos I've seen of locos in the NRM, especially the Q1, are of locos that are extremely brightly lit, thus not really representative of their true shading. Pity.
Excellent review Sam, I reckon the next T9 you review should be the six-wheel tender version. Actually that coal load rattling in the tender almost sounds like a cat purring, I do have one of these, I bought it for over £100, it came in a class 37 box, it had bent piping and smooth starting is literally non existent, you turn it to the speed you want and a second or two later it shoots off instantly.
An absolute beauty. There are some real T9 photos that suggest this livery is probably spot on such as in 1963 shortly after the real thing was preserved. Perhaps the greatest flaw is that Hornby doesn't properly represent what you get in the packaging or on their site for some of their locos. The image looks like a work in progress rather than what people can really expect. They really should update images and packaging to better reflect the final product. Other than that much to like if people love the livery.
i have one but it is still in its box still trying to build my layout. having one disabled arm makes track laying a slow nightmare but love what i see here from a time when elegance was a requirement also the water gauges are my equivalent of your sprung buffers
To my eyes, the livery on the locomotive is the correct one. Have a look at the website 'Preserved British Steam Locomotive' and you will find colour photos of it in this livery from the 60s.
I must say that green looks similar to the green on my Forest No.1 W4 Peckett, I definitely wouldn't complain about the shade it looks lovely
Thanks for sharing! Sure, I like the shade too! :D
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You've worked hard to build your channel (Almost 100k in subs!). Splurge a bit! Enjoy! Hans
LSWR coaches are a two tone brown and cream similar to GWR but slightly different shades. The green is closer to prototype than the picture and is the same as the LSRW adams radial. Still a bit expensive though.
I had a Hornby where the front bogie wheels didn't turn. A quick bend downwards was all that was required. The clue this needs doing is the rear wheels on the bogie are lifting the main drive wheels off the track slightly.
Yeah I've had that issue before - nice and easy fix!
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Loved the cab detail on the T9, shows what Hornby can do when they try. Wot! no LMS. Compound 1000 is one of my favourite locos. I have an old one with a smoke generator.
Me too Peter - I'm a huge fan of this!! :D
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The livery is in fact correct. I don't think the livery on the box was ever worn. Yes yes, the southern was not that. It was an olive with a green colour not what we see on the store. The T9 wore this livery when it was first preserved. It wore this until one of it's overhauls when it was outshopped in the inferior BR Black. T9s were speedy reaching upwards of 80 and 90 miles an hour, there's even a rumor of one touching one hundred during BR days. I wonder when Hornby's going to make a Drummond green with the purple-brownish lining like on your Terrier! The LSWR Coaches were Chocolate and Salmon coloured and even though that sounds terrible it actually looks really good! If I wake up in time. I'm probably gonna request this with your other T9s lol. Great review Sam and thank you for buying for this for us. Not a lot of RUclipsrs do stuff like that.
Thanks a lot Alco - that could explain it! Definitely not the loco I thought I was buying, that's for sure! Many thanks for the info,
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Once there was a wise and blue engine with 8 small wheels and a colour... a colour... so beautiful that itmade the birds sing, he would always keep the other engines in order and help others up the hill.
haha I know the chap! ;D
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I had a similar problem with my black 5 I got recently (it was the back wheels on the front bogey however) and I just bent the rod it was connected to a bit and it fixed it in no time.
LSWR coaches are available from Hornby, either with or without battery operated lights.
Jenny Kirk reviewed this a couple of weeks ago and my first impression was yuk pea green , but it grew on me . The cab looks fantastic . Not sure how realistic the green is . Given that Hornby get BR Green wrong can we be sure this is an accurate shade of LS&WR green . It’s certainly something different!
Beautiful model Sam, especially in this livery! We’re lucky to have a preserved example! The National Railway Museum recently extended loan agreement with the Swanage Railway but I think they should give the railway full possession of the engine!
Thanks a lot Ryno, we are very lucky!
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Your welcome! :)
There are pictures on FlickR that show the original in the 60's. Seems the colour of the model is pretty accurate. Hattons Genesis coaches include the LSWR livery.
Beautiful locomotive. Nearly at 100k subscribers. I joined when you were less than 20k. Very well done to your excellent presentations.
Thanks so much for your continued support - lovely to see you're still here! :D
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Lovely loco. Good video. The model shown is superheated and with capuchin on the chimney. Regarding the livery, on the real thing it would weather and the varnish darken, altering our perception of the colour. Smokebox area looks really good.
Enjoy! The color kind of grows on me, Wish we in America had such colorful trains.
Yeah me too - I'm a fan for sure! :D
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Amazing review on the beautiful T9 locomotive in the LSWR green! The green does look pretty washed out in the light, but it still looks pretty nice although I’d prefer the more vibrant Southern Green version! I like the amount of detail on this T9 and I remember this being one of your most delicate locomotives in your collection! The performance is pretty good but I don’t like how the front wheels and one tender wheel stop rolling. But ignoring those things, this locomotive is great! 😃👍
Regarding livery of coaches, early Southern dark olive green with an LSWR loco pulling them is acceptable; The first 02 tanks sent to the Isle Of Wight in 1923 ran in their LSWR liveries and numbers until 1925. There was a transition period into the big four just as there was big four into BR.
Thanks a lot for sharing Nathan, appreciate it!
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Will you be getting the oxford J27?
Yes I hope so!! :D
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That’s one beautiful locomotive you got there. I’d like to see more of it!
Also I realised that I haven’t asked for requests in a long time, so I guess here’s one
A running session for locomotives that are light green 🤔
Sure!! I'll definitely show more of this! And great idea - got a good few candidates for that!
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Love t9’s but yet to buy one. Certainly very nice looking locos. Hope you’re keeping well mate!
The green may not be the same as the photo but it is historically accurate this model represents lswr pea green similar to the preserved lswr t3. The photos on Hornby's website depicted the darker earlier green.
Can’t believe you’re still responding to every comment. So close to 100k. Make sure to stream the moment!
I'm doing my best mate! Thanks so much!! :D
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Looks brilliant, I was thinking about it, then I heard two words that stopped me, traction tyres, I really dont like them, if only I either get one without them, or find a decent way of replacing them with something better.
Put it this way Sam, if the T-9 didn't have traction tyres it wouldn't passed the pulling the skin off the rice pudding test..
White Metal rot - Sanda Kan (who were Hornby's Manufacture at the times when it struck) had acquired iffy batches of white metal that affected a number of loco's. Air-Smoothed West Country/Battle of Britain's, Modified Merchant Navies, Rebuilt Patriot & Royal Scot, T9's to name but a few. It tended to be either the front bogies or the front motor mount. To be fair Bachmann had similar issues with running plates on a steam loco at the same time.
I'm hoping Sam reviews one of the new Hornby Merchant Navys. The blue ones have apparently docked and the metal Dublo ones due in the Summer.
I'm hoping to, that's for sure... would love to try the blue one! :D
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Great review! I really appreciate locos in the much more interesting pre-Grouping colors. Would love to see more pre-Grouping locos in the future as opportunity permits!
Nice tender engine. I am glad about the die cast boiler Hornby have been getting a lot of stick for it and personally I like the livery and traction tyres don’t bother me brilliant video Sam 🙂
Thanks mate, me too - great to see a bit of quality here!
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Just wish Hornby did a version of the T9 in this livery without the supper heater!
They look so much more elegant with a slimmer smokebox in my opinion!
a bit like the Adams radial or M7
Ahh interesting - I wonder if they'd ever do that? Me too!
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Hey Sam, will it be possible to review a Bachmann class 24, or class 66. They are both pretty old models so shouldn't cost your whole wallet, but are great models. Also Sutton Locomotive Works have got a class 24 which is now known as the best diesel model design ever! Thanks, Grievous
The cab detail looks fantastic, up close you notice that the wheels are a different colour to the livery, and then even after running in the front wheels were still dragging a bit.
Definitely! And that's true - funny wheels for sure!
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I believe the missing party to the 4-4-0s was the LMS
if hornby does re-do their Edward, they should use the T9 because its proportions the look, its just beautiful.
ttte aside, the t9is one of my favourite locomotive. its the second in my favourites.
Now that livery stands out amazing
There are pictures of 120 from the early 1970's where it does appear to wear pretty much that colour, but the LSWR did also have a darker green somewhat similar to GNR green.
As for me I think it's one of the best colours used on a British locomotive, a proper sunshine shade, but a devil to keep clean I'm sure.
By the way, LSWR coaches were two tone, salmon pink over brown.
Yeah I've seen those - it does look very similar to that - that's just not the model I bought is all! Thanks a lot for sharing!
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Not sure I go for the colour, but light colours show detail better including the expensive glue detailing? Not at my age that matters as even wearing glasses fine detail is lost most of the time (young eye's enjoy your fine detail while you may). For the price I do think the detail pack could have included a set of non traction Tyre wheels. The Greyhound is such an elegant looking locomotive and your example looks agood runner, I'm tempted...
Do you think you can replace the wheel that has the traction tyres on it with a normal driving wheel
The T9 is beautiful in her own charming and attractive way. I don't have a T9 in my collection and never will have. I've never had a favourite Hornby engine till now. My favourite Hornby engine in general hasn't yet made your hair stand on end: Spookie the ghostly grey Peckett 0-4-0 Saddle Tank Engine. In fact, I've drawn a Peckett Saddle Tank Engine to go with a piece of poetry I wrote. The drawing isn't accurate, but I drew the steamy free-hand as I didn't have a photo or postcard to copy from. I'm pleased with my first attempt, and when I've taken a photo of it, I'll send it to you via email. When I was at school, I earned this title: a good little artist. Art & Design was always a favourite subject of mine.
I'd agree with that Kelly - they really are lovely aren't they?? :D
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I ordered up one of these, I'm still waiting for it, also are you going to review some O gauge tender engines
Awesome! There aren't many affordable ones, but I might try a few!
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Limecomotive/10, Interesting model. I wonder why there are no connecting rods to any sort of cylinders? The only other locomotive I really know that does this is the PRR steam turbine, which I have a postwar Lionel version on my layout. Anyways, thanks for the great content, and congrats on being close to 100k! I mean you're so close, might as well already be there.
Yeah i really like these model its pretty nice and the 4-4-0 is one of my fav engines
I believe I have seenbthis engine in person. J like the Olive green livery. Well done Sam and Your at 99K! Nearly 100!
Ooh very interesting - thanks for sharing!! :D
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I checked out my Caledonia Works LSWR T9 (for Train Simulator) after watching this. The CW T9 comes in a ton of liveries, including several I consider 'light green'. None matched the green seen here. Then again, it might well be that Hornby has the right of it. I like Hornby's light green, but prefer the color shown on its box.
Yeah it's a weird green - not saying for certain it's wrong, just that it's not the model that was advertised when I bought it!
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Noticed tender wheels still dragging as well as front bogie.
I noticed that too. However, that tender wheels seem to have behaved better during the drive at video end.
Mine was the same,nice model but got fed up of getting it to run well.