As a past musician and now a 2D artist, I've never put too much energy into the hype around an artist's personal life struggles because I like to take the artist's work as it is. With that, I didn't know why there was a controversy with the JT collab. I don't follow Brittney or JT news. I guess ignorance is bliss. I have liked some of their music; they are both talented people. As for the JK/JT collab, I really liked it vs the Harlow collab. So, maybe with this collab choice, just maybe, JK liked JT's music and JT's vocal style; maybe it was just that simple. The collaboration works, and I enjoy the song. ...and maybe, it's that simple.
I agree wholeheartedly with how important it is to research an issue thoroughly before forming an opinion. However as a teacher I struggle to get my students to understand what a reliable source for research is: they find it hard to separate grounded opinion from baseless opinion, and often put scientific research, journalistic accounts and social media influencers at the same level - when they even think about looking at scientific papers. It is also a long process that requires some reading and understanding, a process some of them are not willing, and sometimes able, to go through. And these are university students, not younger teens, so it is no wonder sensational stories appeal to so many. I'm glad BTS have always been very thoughtful about researching facts and opinions (eg Namjoon and the feminist issue), and cautious as to their own impact and how they promote the causes that are dear to them. They're a great example.
I think it’s so important that we take a breath and don’t have knee jerk reactions to every issue that arises. That’s not easy when social media lives and dies on “hot takes”. Not every issue is worth a response and it would help if we didn’t constantly fuel an outrage economy.
We all know how Scooter Braun works and it's pretty crappy. We know what he did to T. Swift. He is the last person I want near any of the BTS members. He does not have a great reputation when it comes to his artists and the last people I want him near is BTS. Saying that, the members are grown men and can stand up for themselves. Do I want any of them working with Scooter? No but it's also not my career. We can have our thoughts but in the end the members are strong enough to look after themselves and, most of all, I trust them. 💜
@kristal2783 "We all know how Scooter Braun works and it's pretty crappy. We know what he did to T. Swift. He is the last person I want near any of the BTS members. He does not have a great reputation when it comes to his artists and the last people I want him near is BTS." Exactly how I feel!! Thanks for saying this.
Wow, Taylor Swift really gained the public opinion by badmouthing him. Have any of you looked into the facts of what legally transpired with her work? I challenge all of you to do so… she is not innocent and she had every chance to purchase her originals before Scooter purchased Big Machine Records.
I am so grateful for your discussion . I agree with everything that you have said, and am grateful for a sense of calm amidst the chaos. There is so much anger, impatience, judgment and intolerance exchanged on social media. You are right. We have to be aware of all the noise that surrounds us, and take time to educate ourselves. Most importantly, we need to explore and understand what our true values and principles are, and live by our convictions and conscience. Thank you so much for always presenting a well thought out perspective in an honest and articulate fashion.
Nice discussion. Personally I’m not worried about JK’s collabs. I think he literally took one for the team (BTS) by being willing to do a bunch of western collabs in English, because he was the one whose musical interests and abilities suited it. RM, Suga, J-Hope, and Jimin were all vocal about not wanting the band to be pushed in that direction during the Butter and PTD era - you see that reflected in their solo work. (Tae’s, too, though he wasn’t as vocal with complaints.) Jungkook doing this work in the solo era placated Scooter and his ilk, while also letting JK work on his vocal, English, and dance skills. It’s a good compromise for BTS and a good learning experience for Jungkook and the BigHit management. I’m not a Justin Timberlake fan and never will be, but I liked his 3D remix a lot better than the original. It’s a nice pop song, but not worth getting worked up about one way or the other. It’s good that you’re reminding everyone to calm down and think, because-based on lyrics and live streams in the solo era- I think BTS as a whole is going to make some bold social statements after they come back from the military. Those will unavoidably be politicized, at least in S. Korea, because the social issue I think they will talk about intersects directly with policy there. So we should all practice being calm and thoughtful now. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
This is a good point I hadn't considered! I suspect JK genuinely wanted to stretch this way, but now that you mention it I'm sure part of it was strategic to fulfill whatever agreements they had with Scooter etc. It must be difficult for the boys not being able to share the business side of things with their fans - I feel like JK in particular isn't super interested in that lol.
Just my thoughts before watching this vid. If JK doesn't want to do it, no one can push him. But the songs appealed to him & his desire to crossover into various genres challenged his desire for the cool factor - to grow to be cool for ARMY.
I am not sure we are thinking about the same "bold social statements", but if it relates to a cause they have been cautiously though openly supporting for years now, I am really looking forward to them tackling it more boldly. There will be political ramifications, most certainly, but the consequences on their popularity among some layers of their fanbase could be so strong that I wonder how they will approach it. Cleverly and thoughtfully, I do not doubt, as with everything they do. They will have my wholehearted support if they have that courage.
Jeongukkie didn't take one for the team - he's always wanted to do i!💜💜Talked about it forever; thats why he was learning English. It's the dodgy OTT seghs lyrics & the dreadful picks of Artists to perform with; & particularly with the dodgy lyrics - it's a mistake; most of his fans are very very young girls & their parents really won't like it (plus the dodgy version of 7 - nobody says that! Scooter is double dealing - he's threatened by BTS, by JJG, & all of Kpop & he's trying to scupper Gukkie (& probably Bangtan too.) I wouldn't trust that joker as far as I could throw him🤮💜 - he's a nasty piece of work + an arch manipulator (with an absolutely terrible reputation) I hope Bang PD knows what he's doing (& it is the man himself, he'll never relinquish Management of BTS🌏💜🙏🏻💜🇬🇧💜
I think the American producers Jung Kook is working with chose jk's collaborators and they picked those that benefitted Them. I think they used JK's popularity to boost their own artists. I agree that JT's version of 3D is much better. It is too bad it wasn't the original. I thought using RM or Suga to write the lyrics and let JK sing the whole song would have been best, too.
@@bee12117 I would love a future project where RM and Suga wrote an album of songs for Jung Kook to sing! But they also have their own solo careers and I love Indigo and D Day, too.
@@daffodilunderhill7066why can’t jungkook just write his own material? As you said, RM and Suga have their own solo careers they can write for. Why does everyone else have to do all the work for him?
I agree with your research strategies for making decisions. Thank you for pointing out that often analysis changes over time. I have found it helpful to keep this fluidity in mind. It is a wonderful time in life when someone or some event comes along and blows the structure of my beliefs and decisions out the window. That's when I become allive. I begin to listen, to deeply feel, and to integrate who I am and what I honor into the activities and the words that I use to speak my life. Being aware of how I feel in my body is my best guide to a sense of what is moral for me. The practice is to keep tuning in and slowing down to feel what is right for me.
Timing for this remix release was just baaaaad. A big part of why BTS became such a big success was bcz of the respect ARMY has for them as people with their positive messages through their music. BTS has never gone after the bad boy image. This was why not many supported Jack Harlow on 3D and Scooter Braun. Majority of ARMYs are females. To have Justin Timberlake involved with Jungkook’s song rubs so many wrong. JT has not addressed what came out in Britney’s book which voiced JT as someone who stepped on women to achieve his success and wealth. Perhaps BH/ HYBE is not looped in on American scandals but they have handled their own scandals to keep their artist untainted. Taylor Swift is having a huge ride on her popularity now here in the US and globally as well so her giant fan base is against anything Scooter is involved with. I don’t think this is politics. Even his own artists have all abandoned Ithaca Holdings including his prize artist, Ariana Grande. HYBE should pay better attention to who and when to allow their artists to work with if they want to maintain a clean image for their artists bcz it confuses us and we speak with our consumption power as fans.
Actually from what I have read, you are wrong on your facts about why people are no longer with Scooter. He is now CEO of Hybe America. Arianna and the others are still under him. This is what happens when people know bits and pieces about things and virtue signal. I’m woman. I don’t judge people based off of these kinds of reports because we never really know the truth. Same with Britney. God bless her. I love her, but we all know she has had breakdowns, mental problems, and etc. I just think it is wrong to judge others unless you are a person who can’t be judged for anything because you are perfect. It’s hypothetical. I am not perfect, so it is not my place to judge. (Unless it is 100 factual and criminal like Hitler).
@@Imme_begin Thank you. I keep trying to point out to people that as CEOs of HYBE America, Braun and Lenzo Yoon have very little to do with Park Jiyoon, CEO of HYBE Korea. But people don't want to hear it; they want to believe HYBE is evil, manipulative, etc. They even still blame Hitman Bang, although he's only Chairman of the Board and trying to get back to more musical production. Same kinda thing we see with shippers, just directed at the company. But what's really getting to me is, Jungkook said he wanted- chose- to do this. That should be the end of it. But so many folk default to the, 'No, he's just SAYING that, it's not TRUE.' Way to show total disrespect, people!
Anyone can write anything in a book and even bothering to say anything about can cause that book to get more publicity. Maybe not openly talking about it is the best thing. Who know's what's going on behind the scene's eg lawyer filing complaint's with the courts. etc etc. Which also are best done quietly so as not to stir up more publicity that will cause people to buy the book.
I say just enjoy the art for what it is. BTS together and as solo artists makes great music - enjoy! Before social media, people didn't often know all the personal stories about the artists they listen to in any detail. When I first started following BTS, I was amazed by how much access was granted into their lives outside of music through all the social media content. I enjoy watching them and learning everything about their personalities, etc., but it's much more than I would be willing to let people see and more than what many artists would want seen. I don't think this should be the norm. Does the fact that you don't have a sqeaky clean reputation mean you can't make good art? I don't need to know all the backstory on an artist to enjoy what they produce. I am just here for the music and try not to be influenced, positively, or negatively by what artists do beyond that.
What art? He didn’t write anything on his own. And the songs that he did sing were just about boning 24/7 and thirsting after girls on his phone. So, where’s the art?
So glad that JK decided to stand with his brothers and did not let the American producer to do too much damage. Going to the military means that Scooter Brown will look for other people to exploit. Bang PD should have been more careful instead to throw JK into his hands. I know that JK said that he chose to do it, but working with sharks is always dangerous. I can also imagine how much the pressure was on JK, since they started speculating to squeeze him as solo artist while the others were on military. I was so afraid he would give in, since they fed on his ambition to be the biggest artist. Glad to see once again that the bond among the members is stronger than ever. It kept JK sane, regardless of the tempting promises. What makes BTS is them together, it's the best message they give us ARMY. BTS cannot be managed by the sort of Scooter Brown, he will never understand and will exploit them for his greed. ARMY will wait for BTS OT7 to come back and make their music, with their lyrics, their message, their depth in meaning... 아포방포
I prefer BTS as OT7, BTS is all of them, not just one. The issue with the type of hype raised with just one is that the intention of Scooter Brown was to isolate JK and ditch the rest. If that is the price, then BTS would be no more. JK will shine in due time and be rightfully the king but not at the expenses of BTS. This is a key that new fans do not get, JK chose BTS,and I plaude him for that.
@@bee12117 talent in a vulgar frame? His songs were inspiring the world. They helped many to overcome failure, loss of their close friends and relatives, disease consequences and now …. They made him ( ok, he’s made himself, if you like to think so) a ‘grown up’person too much obsessed with his masculinity & sexuality. And you consider it a talent development?
@@bee12117⛔⛔⛔⛔⛔Attention: toxic fan of only one member identified, I repeat, toxic fan of only one member identified. The truth is that you need so little information about BTS, information that by the way is open to the public, to know that JK adores BTS and is waiting with great joy for a new meeting with the OT7 that one is impressed by the comments of people who say be a fan of an artist but they encourage actions that are totally different from that artist's wishes
I will always love JK but have not agreed with all the people he has collaborated with. Right now scooter has way too much influence on him and he needs this military break to reflect refocus and review what direction he wants his solo music to go in the future 💕💜💕
@@bee12117 and now he is a poor Korean artist? Or you think he needs more popularity and money to be more happy? Name smb from the long list of pop stars who considers himself to be healthy in body, mind and spirit and has sincere friends. You wish JK the similar life & fate they have?
71 year old BTS Army here. With the exception of Latto, these are all people that JK greatly admires and I bet he had plenty of input on his collabs. I am positive they are all on his huge collab bucket list (except Latto), but I am sure he is happy it happened. Why not, "Seven" (Feat Latto) is his biggest solo release to date! 💜
Could someone just once post a nice headline about JK. My mental health is literally suffering from all the judgment, hate, scrutiny, and headlines. I guess I’m going to have to take a break from SM including YT. I love this channel, the maturity, thoughtfulness, etc., but I really need to see someone somewhere come up with a positive story and headline. For such a sweet guy, it shouldn’t be hard to do.
The’guy’ is sweet but scooter’s influence made him to be sometimes vulgar both in movements and in lyrics of such songs a 3d& 7. I don’t judge, but just hate vulgarity.
@@rinasilent8533 The fact is, Scooter Braun's influence on BTS, TXT, or any of HYBE's Korean groups, is extremely limited. Scooter Braun and Lenzo Yoon are the co-CEOs of HYBE America. Park Jiyoon is the CEO of HYBE Korea. Braun and Yoon are involved with Geffen, QC, the new Latin acquisition, and other US projects. Big Hit falls under Park's domain, along with Pledis, KOZ, the Japanese branch, and the other K-groups.
@@rinasilent8533 Yes I didn't like it when JM had vulgar movements on stage in his previous song either. And some of the rappers lyrics are questionable too.
@@kshafer6220 thank you for detailed info and I admit you’re right. But I’m still suspicious abt smb’s external influence, since I can’t accept sudden change in the direction of JK’s ‘development’ ( lyrics of 7&3d and …)🤷🏻♂️. For me it’s a big disappointment. Hope time’ll pass and everything will fall into place
Very well said. The only thing I would add is, in this particular case it was almost certainly done before the controversy came out. It takes time to set up a collab and record, edit, etc. This controversy is very new. I don't think anyone can credibly hold JK or Hybe responsible for something they almost certainly didn't know about.
I love BTS, all 7. What I don’t understand is why we can’t just enjoy music for what it is: music. Please tell me who is perfect because we won’t find one, so what does music have to do with a person’s background. JT/JK version was a lot better than the original and should have been part of GOLDEN. All the people who started accusing JT should realize that just like them, people change and that politics, religion, wars, etc, have nothing to do with each other. Let’s enjoy music for what it is. Who are we to tell an artist who they should colab with or what to eat or wear; it’s not our business because it’s their personal life. You don’t like a song, well more to the next one. SIMPLE
This was such a good discussion. I agree with your position on it all. BTS guys are very socially responsible. Getting into politics will do nothing for them or society. My husband & I disagree politically so we don’t even discuss it. He does not check his sources and I do. I'm willing to listen and he is not. He would be one of those people squawking on line if an artist took an opposing position. If I don’t feel comfortable discussing politics in my own home, I can only imagine what would happen if BTS or any group took a position. Leave politics out and discuss with your friends & family. Wasn't it Dixie Chicks that lost their career after making a comment about Pres. Bush? Boom cancelled! ( I think they are back performing). As far as JK & JT, I agree that jk did not need either collab. I have never been a JT fan or Harlow fan. So the collab is just ok. But collabs seem to be the thing now. Saying that I would love to hear a collab with Norah Jones & V. I digress ….. I think this time with the military stinks in terms of their career and away from fans but may be good to be a regular guy for a while. I'm sure they will pick up where they left off & better if that's possible. Thanks again.
6:54 Stop; reminds me of an excellent and timely song on j-hope's album, Jack In The Box. I agree with you that BTS has struck a smart balance in managing their public versus private endorsement of causes. I hope they will continue to steer clear of public statements on controversial political issues. Regarding Jungkook's collab choices, I think both 3D and Seven tarnish Golden, and not only because of the collaborators' content. JK's debut solo album would have shone much more brightly without either song.
"Regarding Jungkook's collab choices, I think both 3D and Seven tarnish Golden, and not only because of the collaborators' content. JK's debut solo album would have shone much more brightly without either song." I fully agree with this. Seven, Too Much and especially 3D is what prevents me from buying this album. Which is sad as I enjoy BTS' music a lot and want to support their solo careers as well.
@@donnawilson559 JK said if you don’t like it, don’t listen. It is May 2024 and his album & 7 is still charting. Taylor Swift didn’t even beat 7 with the amount of streams on Spotify. Ddaeng.
I've no idea about JT private life as I've never listen to his music either. No one is perfect everyone has their flaws. I was happy with the colab as it sounded great. So what, he didn't want to be a father that's a personal choice. They both had a responsibility not to get pregnant if an accident happens then that's her decision what she's going to do about it. I personally don't agree with abortion as a means of contraception but I'm never going to treat someone badly if they choose to do that. She could have chosen to carry on with the pregancy with or without his say so even if he didn't want to be a father. Did he forcefully take her to have an abortion while she was kicking and screaming No? As to his politic's I've not heard what he's said or why he came to whatever conclusion he came to. If I hear an artist saying something that's downgrading another person being a right arsehole then I'm not going to be interested in supporting that arts by buying, streaming their music or buy a ticket to go to their concerts. I do believe in offering scope for someone to change their mindset and their behaviour as we all make error's of judgement we can't expect people to be perfect for no one is perfect.
I think if people are going to be so loud on social media, they should at least have the facts. Not something they just “read somewhere on the internet.” For example site a reliable source. “Society is made for the loudest voices but I am still speaking silence.” ---- RM Wildflower But regarding Justin- I thought it was by far the best collab. It elevated the song and the harmonies and ad-libs of both were beautiful.
I think JK just wanted to sing or work with these Artists that are on his album or any of his other collaborations. People got mad about RM/BTS collaboration with Desiigner for Mic Drop but its one of my favorite because of the flow not the lyrics which is what I felt BTS also liked. BTS works hard and should enjoy working and learning from other artists that they like vrs trying to please ARMY which is too big a fandom to please everyone 🤔😏
oh, don't you believe that art changes culture? some of the most iconic art comes from artists who are making a "political, governmental statement." the lyrics in the songs that BTS was making (in most of their music ), was commenting on "political" situations in their country. Perhaps, we're talking about a different aspect of political commentary. i totally agree with you about the social media maelstrom; personally, i don't pay attention to it, even while i realize that i miss much of the "spitfire" that it contains. i just know who BTS is and what they stand for and the rest is just insanity. Jung Kook, as the youngest, is letting go of this fierce moment of his artistic career to serve with his "brothers" in the military. that is a personal sacrifice. for Army. for his members, his band. They are unique. it's why we love them.
Artists have always had a big impact on culture and social movements ... writers, poets, musicians, painters, etc, philosophers ... they have always been socially critical and had a lot of influence on social and cultural changes ... musicians like Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Jim Morrison, David Bowie, Leonard Cohen etc ... and I would also add BTS to them
Honestly Usher should have been the one that collaborated for the song 3D. For the song standing next to You.... It should have been Janet Jackson. You can only match a Jackson with Jackson. That would have been epic to have Michael's little sister singing along with JK who is influenced by her big brother... EPIC...not Usher.
Haven't watched this yet. Last one on BTS chapter 2 solo promo was way off the mark for me. Was disappointed with the analysis. Boracity Magazine was the same. I liked both the channels but strangely both of them have the same analysis on chapter 2 solo promos which I disagree with. Anyway after reading comments here I thought most did not touch upon why twitter Army kinda boycotted this remix. Justin Timberlake has been trying to make a comeback for a while but because of his behaviour with Britney and Janet Jackson he's not well received. Plus the signing of Israel letter for Scooter Braun. There are many Palestinian Army who are suffering and it was insensitive to do this remix. Its PD Bang who made this very unwise decision (to the detriment of BTS reputation too) to bring in Scooter and hand over Jungkook to him to make him a mega pop star very quickly. Jungkook also wanted to be one according to his words. He is competitive and Jimin's #1 in BB hot 100 spurred him off his house to finally get moving. Timeline of events shows this. He has been copying Jimin album concept photo styles too which is fine cute brother thing to do but this is someone's hard work. He should have thought of doing his own for Army too like raplines and Jimin did. Anyway I think Scooter x Jungkook project as its known didn't succeed outrageously as they had hoped and so change of plan was swift. Jungkook is now enlisting simultaneously with others (2025 BTS comeback was uncertain before according to PD Bang interview and I think was deiendent on JK project outcome. Jimin and RM were pushing for 2025 right from the start but at some point RM said it wasn't certain it was happening like PD Bang said.). Re JK x Scooter Project I think it was more a loss than a gain. Spotify success is because Scooter has a share in it. Whatever success JK project got is paid for sadly. Plus JK's #1 BB Hot 100 didnt shift the Hybe shares as Jimin's did (and he had just basic investment for his solo debut). Imagine if JK project had same playing field as hyung line and Jimin (V got some playlisting because he worked with Adore) ie zero radio and some playlisting with min promo like shows interviews what would have been JK's success? J Hope got Lollapalooza on his own. If JK had released songs before Hobi he'd have no chance to do MAMA and Rocking Eve NY show because JK would get them instead because he's the project. I don't believe other members would have refused some promo that JK got. They probably thought they couldn't ask for such promo and were too humbie or reticent to ask. Like Jimin 3rd mv request was told its too much to ask. J Hope was offered qr code instead of CD probably thinking he'd be happy to experiment on eco idea rather than trying out with other Hybe artists. Also the members most probably don't know their albums didn't reach fans on time and so were not counted towards their sales charts. Don't understand why Hybe do this when all Hybe artists incl BTS albums get delivered on time. Due to lack of much US JK fans there was difficulty in sales for his songs so lots of remixes and versions were released to increase the sales. Bang n Scooter miscalculated JK's popularity in the US. They probably thought BTS English songs fame (with JK English singing proficiency) and big JK Weverse live audiences translated into lots of buying fans. All I am saying is these remixes incl with Usher is just bringing in unnecessary baggage for JK as BTS member. The project needs to make good with this investment and hence these remixes and Jungkook brand merch (probably for 2025 JK concert or success miscalculated investment) while he is away in the military. He will gain some fans out of these remixes like he did with Harlow. I am glad rest of BTS members did not resort to so much remixes and versions and bundles too. Bang PD destroying BTS reputation for what? Hybe just didn't realise stupidly that all members have huge potential as solo artists to succeed and earn. They thought only JK had the potential which is more than foolish to think especially for PD Bang who know them well?
If you don't like it don't listen -JK. And some people are always blaming BigHit/HYBE and BangPD for doing the wrong moves. BangPD knows what he is doing and how to protect BTS like they a family. Even giving each member of BTS shares of the company which I believe no other music company has done. You seem to forget that he created and developed BTS for what they are now and he really treated each and everyone in BTS like no other. Even some of you didn't really admire BTS as a group and individual artists before. You were not fans before. BangPD gave them freedom to do what the guys wanted to do with his guidance on the side. BigHit gave them freedom unlike other KPop companies. Now Jkook is a grown up man am sure he can say no if he thinks it will be a disadvantage to him. Jkook is an artist first so he will do what he thinks is right for him to grow. Why do you think he chooses to enlist in the military now when he is making a big name on his own. It certainly shows he can decide for himself. He has his own future plans and no "fans" can stop him. He has enough money now that I believe he is doing things now for his art or craft. He certainly knows which road to take. What you all know about HYBE BangPD BTS and JK in particular is what social media is feeding you only. I don't think any of us really knows the inside happening in the music industry or HYBE and BTS.. Just like before WHEN Jkook was doing nothing but be online talking and drinking when the rest of BTS are busy doing their solo projects. And the fans are complaining that HYBE and BangPD is not doing anything for JK. And then suddenly Jkook was very busy being the global ambassador for Calvin Klein and then him releasing Seven etc and everybody was surprised. And now again fans are complaining that he is doing it wrong. Damn if you don't damn if you will.
Very well said! Once again I agree with every point you have made. Although the thought is probably horrifying to you, I think you need to go into politics to compensate for the sludge that seems to be taking over the American political system. 😘😂
Ariana grande , Justin Bieber , Demi cut ties with scooter ! And don’t even get me started with him and Taylor swift drama . This man can’t be trusted, I hope Junkook is careful with him .
Scott is the CEO now- he can’t be a manager anymore. & it is false, Justin is still with the label as well as Ariana. Ariana has a new manager but still under Hybe America.
For me I just dont think the collab was necessary. No one asked for it, no one needs it. The song already had Jack Harlow featured. Also can you please talk about the amount of remix versions hybe seems to drop for each single of their major artists. Especially with Jungkook. Its getting kind of ridiculous their greed and desperation to top charts and increase streaming numbers and I dont think thats a good solution to it.
@@Sn0wflake7827 im sorry but no, no western artist releases that many remixes. theres no need to pump out 10 remixes of a hit single. I get a clean and explicit versiom but we dont need a summer remix, tropical house remix, holiday remix, lowfi remix, electronic remix and no one cares about them other than mass stream farming fans. Its overkill and clearly a cheap way to boost streams to head up the charts.
@@nevamindddthis is my opinion. The remixes help to keep the members on the charts in the West. Western artists will get radio plays which help keep you on the charts. No matter how good the song, BTS members little to no radio play. Additionally, Billboard changes the rules and stated a digital download only counts once a week from the same IP address. Without the remixes, a fan can only buy one song a week to keep the song on the chart. Think about Jimin’s album Face. It sold the fifth most units in the US for 2023. Yet, it couldn’t stay in the top 30 after the first week. Why is it important to do well on charts? Artist get opportunities they would not otherwise. They get media and fans discussing he music with the hope of enlarging the fan base. Just some thoughts.
I don't understand. the song is amazing. It's a MUCH cleaner version and better, in fact I'm not even listening to the other one. BUt I'm old. JK is very good artist, so JT is not ok but comparing BTS to A known perdophile like Michael Jackson is fine? pft. I LOVE the song.
Lets get something straight about Michael Jackson, you can have your opinion on him but he was found not guilty in the court of law in regards to all allegations against him as there was literally no proof to prove his guilt. Whether you believe he was innocent or not he was never convicted of those crimes so no he was not a known pedophile.
Thank you for bringing this up! I have been completely befuddled by JK's POOR choices over the past year ... from the World Cup (extremely controversial regarding human rights) to Jack Harlow (an ugly addendum to a beautiful song) and now JT. I worried that JK is just too naive or too driven. Does he have to go that far to be accepted? Were his brothers not advising him? Now I see I just underestimated the power of The Company - and the idiocy of Scooter Braun. I hope the members are discussing this seriously; this is not who they are.
Thanks God he chose to go to the military with his brothers, hopefully things will cool down. RM and V are due to start on Dec 11 and Jimin and JK on Dec 12. Latest from news agency.
Agree with what you say. I think JK is both a little naive and driven by his desire to be recognized as a global pop star so he follows the advice from those who are just seeking to use him for their own gain.
Did you see the outrage and Islamophobia accusation when BTS were considering going to katar to perform or not ? Korea and katar has political ally and BTS were made to perform there without giving them a penny, some of us forget that how vulnerable position south Korea is in where they need help from Arab Emirates, US and even made ally with Japan to protect itself from NK and China, we from different countries where we don't have forced military to protect ourselves from other countries shouldn't speak abt this topic especially when Muslim army we're calling everyone Islamophobic bcz some of us didn't want them to go there , They did bring some Valid points how we ignore those things for other countries like France but not them And WHO congratulate jk & strongly associated with fifa team , you can't put a Korean on pedestal when the worldwide agency did nothing instead go and support fifa
Scooter Braun's rep precedes him & for me personally, its all about the money for him (& Hybe) & less about hw he gets it so wen i heard he was involved with Hybe/BH, my immediate thort was💩gonna hit the fan sooner or later & it seems his influence is already being felt...jk mayb an adult that cn make his own decisions but i still think he mayb a little naive about the nachinations/manipulations that go on behind the scenes & duznt necessarily take notice in his quest to becum a gobal superstar & make beautiful music...with their military duties looming he'll hav sum time to reflect if its worth the compromise of his values/principles @ the cost of his ambition
I feel like they are trying to sabotage him because JT and JH did not enhance the song but hurt it. JH rap was awful I am sorry but he could have done a better job it was like he just threw some words together. My personal opinion
I wish we could go back to the days when we didn't know about our favorite artists personal life . We was just happy listening to their music. I grew up in the 60's when major artists in all forms of entertainment stood up and marched for civil rights. I'm sure not all were ok with it, but we didn't have social media, which makes a big difference. I guess what I'm trying to say is ..... Focus on the art and let the rest take care of itself. If you dig deep enough you will find some kind of dirt on everyone, especially in the entertainment business. As far as the BTS collabs go I often wondered why the major US artist aren't collaborating with BTS. And then I saw an interview where one of the rap stars was talking about to get JZ on a feature cost 1 million dollars 😮. And then I saw Pharrell in an interview taking to RM where he talked about how excited he was to meet them backstage for the first time .RM commented something like he couldn't tell because in the picture they took Pharrell looked bored. Pharrell said inside he was fanboying big time. I think some not all are a little intimidated by BTS musical abilities and don't want to be compared to them or seen as clout chasers. There's a lot of BIG egos in entertainment. Just something to think about the next time BTS does a collab.
I think nobody is counting the time that is needed to planning this collaboration. It may be the case of a deal previous to the publication of Britney Spears' book (Oct 24). We have to count the fact that JT and Usher' collaboration are in royal level collaboration dream and that's a fact. Besides anybody can see HIVE presenting there PR counterpart by doing almost nothing of publicity knowing again how remarkable is a collaboration with JT because of his musical background, and you can see how they opted to use the same publicity technique with Usher to avoid criticism because favoritism. Finally this kind of bad reception to collaborationS would limited more and more the possibility of collaboration of BTS with other artist, because they would catalog them as too problematic for PR.
Even in this colab jt put in his two cents about CRY LIKE A RIVER which was how he blamed Britney and built his career off using the poor me card gf cheated and m broke my heart 😡 that's how he treats other people. Shame on bang pd for going western stye. Love BTS BECAUSE of THEIR MUSIC the meaning of it all.😔I don't listen to artist here in the USA. Their all evil and greedy and perverted.🇺🇸
You know, before you make videos like this, you need to do some digging into how HYBE actually works. HYBE is two wings of one company. One half is HYBE America, with Scooter Braun and Lenzo Yoon as co-CEOs. They're responsible for everything HYBE does in the US: the Geffen artists, the QC artists, the recent Latin acquisition. The other half is HYBE Korea. The CEO is Park Jiwon. He's responsible for what the groups in Korea do: Big Hit, Pledis, Belift, KOZ Entertainment, Source Entertainment, HYBE Japan. The HYBE A CEOs have little influence over what HYBE K does. And HYBE K exerts very little influence over their music groups. They leave most of the group management to the various companies under their wing, and don't try to impose specific rules or directives in training or performing. That's because all these different sub-companies have their own structured way of doing things. HYBE is the parent company and does not interfere in the day to day, month to month, promo to promo schedules. This is particularly true in BTS's case. They are the superstars, they are stockholders; there's talk they may be on the board of directors themselves, after their service. The company bends over backwards to give them what they want, to the best of its ability. Over in the US, Braun recently turned over management of Ariana and Justin to other people in the company in order to get more into the company's administrative side. (And Ariana complained about it; it was one of the reasons she decided to leave Geffen.) If he's not even managing the stars he used to, there's virtually no chance that he's trying to manage Jungkook, right under Park Jiwon's nose. And the fact that Jungkook is collab'ing with artists who are not under HYBE pretty much puts an end to that notion. I mean, quite apart from the fact that he said, himself, that he *chose* to do this and people are deliberately ignoring his words and even indirectly calling him a liar. JK is very direct and honest, and if he said he wasn't planning on doing something but the company came and asked him to, we could believe that. Since he said he CHOSE to, we should show some respect and take his word for it.
Oh, I'm so sorry, I have to I disagree fundamentally. I guess my definition of politics is a bit different from yours. I think what we need is the contrary - stop being apathetic, recognize that everything we do and believe in is political, become proactive in at least some of the issues that concern you. Make your voice heard by every representative you voted for. We as democratic societies could benefit from accepting that politics is not some abstract, separate thing from our life, people are governed by other people, that they themselves empower. Democracy is very fragile unless it is propped up by a strong, well informed and proactive civil society. Obviously there's nuance, but the complexity of an issue should not prevent us from working on solving it. We need individually and as communities take more responsibility for our own governance - from the smallest local level of your district or town to the highest. I think separating politics from society will sooner create an even more fertile ground for corruption, abuse of power and eventual dictatorship and tyranny. Obviously, this is w/r/t democracies, however imperfect they are, and tyranny needs to be dealt with differently, and the example you're bringing up is less of a social issue, it's a humanitarian effort. Which will also work so much better, efficiently and timely if there's a developed civil society with established networks that can connect your aid and the person in need of it with as few intermediaries as possible. If a person wants to donate food, medicine etc to children in need of it and not to one of the warehouses to be appropriated and resold somewhere, politics needs to be as close to the common men as possible. I feel like people as as often just morally and mentally weak, overburdened and desperate as they are corrupt and nefarious, so besides self-improvement we should all definitely work towards making it is hard as possible to abuse the power for any governmental post. In short, every society should be ARMY - vigilant, self-organized and not letting anyone powerful get away with any form of discrimination or abuse. I hope I did not offend in my passionate rant, but I feel strongly about this.
I am always impressed how you manage to address rather daunting questions. I agree with you on a lot of points but believe it is the economic system (capitalism) which has to be changed to be able to live according to basic human values and safe people and the planet. And I can't see that happening ofc. I wished BTS would be more active regarding the climate change. Wouldn't that be a social activity too?
Western artist are not jealous of Jimin & Jk. Bts members as soloist are small compared to big western artist BTS are big when they are in group but as soloist they don't have big impact like when they are in the group.
You are such a wonderful role model for RUclipsrs & ARMY. You beautifully exemplify the values that BTS has been working to spread. Thank you Dear One! 💞💜💞
Yes. The very "dirty" language & all of those OTT seghs-lyrics is his attempt to ruin Jeongukkie & probably Bangtan. It disgusts me that Scooter Braun is doing this - & Gukkie (& all of BTS) hv worked so hard (their careers can't be ruined by that person🤮💜) That joker thinks he will destroy JJG's (& BTS') UK/Europe & even U S teen fanbase - bc their parents won't like any of this & in Korea🇰🇷💜 even worse! Idols are expected to be very verycareful in the language they use; to anybody under 18💜💜& their behaviour - there are laws prohibiting anything like that re "Children" - Scooter B sees Bangtan & Kpop taking the Industry over Worldwide🎉💜 & he is running scared but I don't trust him at all - he will do anything🤨💜& I think all of this is a mistake🙏🏻💜🇬🇧💜🌏💜
ABSOLUTELY the wrong collaborations. From Charlie Puth to Jack Harlow to now Justin Timberlake. He would do better to do it with The Weeknd, Khalid, Bruno Mars, Drake and Usher ( which I’m happy to see he did).
Yes, some of these would have been better collaborations, especially Bruno Mars. However, I wouldn't want to see a collaboration with The Weeknd after his Idol series with Jennie from Blackpink which was degrading to her.
I only want to see the colab's the Men of BTS want to do I don't want people dictating to the BTS members. That will take away their creative freedom their right to make their own decisions.
The second 🛴 got involved things went downhill and everyone involved in that is responsibility for the sh&tshow Hybe/BH/BTS is now. Breaks my heart bc I really wanted to believe they were different but the last year esp has made me question everything. I’ve turned to other groups and artists outside the Kpop machine for what I used to have with them. Like I said it breaks my heart. 💔
@aprylc978 "The second 🛴 got involved things went downhill and everyone involved in that is responsibility for the sh&tshow Hybe/BH/BTS is now." This is so true! I am very concerned about the negative impact Braun will have on their careers. The vulgarity, profanity, sexual objectification and debasement of women in the first three songs JK released was appalling. I read a few interviews where it was stated that Braun chose these to bring forward to JK. Yes, JK could have refused them but because his desire to be a global pop star is so strong, he probably thought it best to follow Braun's advice. Seven could have been okay without the profane version which totally changed the whole meaning of the song. Too Much is not much better. 3D is just appalling. The other songs such as Standing Next to You and the shorter songs without the collaborations are good to listen to but the first three I listed are what is preventing me from buying the album.
@@bee12117 Rather than throw baseless accusations of lying to people you do not know, how about doing some research so you can speak with more accuracy? I watched and read a number of interviews by Jungkook, Bang PD, Braun, Watt, and others involved. I saw the interview where Jungkook said he picked the song. I also saw other interviews where both Jungkook and Bang PD said Braun approached him with the song choices to choose from. Bang PD said this in a couple of different interviews. So according to you, he is lying too? Braun initiated the selection offered to Jungkook which is the basis for my comment. Yes, Jungkook could have refused all the songs offered but I believe his desire to be known as a global pop star meant he was putting a lot of trust into what these people were offering and advising and perhaps with some naivete.
@@bee12117 Depends on how you define successful. His BTS career and his solo career are two different things and cannot be compared with linear criteria.
@@donnawilson559 You are twisting things for you own narrative. Yes Braun was the one who offered the songs to Jungkook offered not forced him to accept them. JK like the rest of the BTS members have artist freedom to say YEA or NAY. The choice is down to Jungkook.
I agree but I think that JK and the other BTS members may not be fully aware of the issues. I think a lot of what they know is informed by their management company and many of these product sponsorships are decided at levels higher than the artists in the industry.
@@donnawilson559he definitely quit wearing the brand full stop during the controversy. Right before the controversy, everyone online thought Balenciaga would be announcing the ambassadorship shortly after S/S collections. The fact he suddenly dropped the Balenciaga fits and the CK ambassadorship came out of no where STRONGLY indicates he and his team were aware. He started wearing all Balenciaga outfits again before enlistment in non-company affiliated sightings. That means it was his own choices to wear the brand again.
JK always said he wanted to be a Rock Star. Good move for him while at the same time promoting BTS. He always at the start of most song, etc, he always said I'm Jungcook of BTS.
Sorry... Long comment: I think JK and BTS do need to be more mindful. They should make the music they want but it still needs to be strategic to avoid tanking their positive reputation! They are adults but their fandom is diverse BECAUSE their discography is diverse and mostly positive! As a Black American, I've witnessed how collaborations can make or break you!! Chloe, Normani and other women collaborated with Chris Brown and it 100% hurt their trajectory. Many music producers are arrogant and often misogynistic... They thought the girls will help the his reputation but instead the girls looked silly singing with a known abuser with a temper. J. Timberlake is facing current controversy with Britney Spears and past misbehavior coming to light so of course Scooter wants to use JK to help Justin. I'm glad JK didn't promote the song and we shouldn't blindly support either... At risk of getting hate, even the Left/Right song dropped right at the end of pride month and Charlie Puth was playing into the LGBTQ market with that song FOR money. I'm still not sure if JK or the company knew what the final treatment would be since Korea is supposedly super conservative so I kept thinking would this song be taken well. Was this an intentional risk or was this a manipulation. I just think they need to take their time and make sure collaborations are MUTUALLY beneficial! My example for that... Beyoncé & Gaga's telephone was great for both of them and neither of them are problematic. I do prefer JT's version of 3D, but this was terribly timed!!
I am a conservative woman and OT7 but JK is under no obligation to do anything for Army. And it’s honestly funny to me how people are reacting to him when the rappers have some pretty graphic things and everyone is fine with the hip thrusting by all members for years and Jimin double grabbing and holding onto his crotch, but not JK singing about gratifying ONE woman he is in a long distance relationship with or living and eating to be with one woman he is in a relationship with in the other😮😮😮 song.. Im not judging Jk, the hip thrust or Jimin. I find it very hypocritical to harshly judge one and ignore the other. My gut says it is people who just live to judge others, who don’t like JK (I can’t imagine why) or who have other biases and are not happy with JK’s success. I refuse to jump on the hate, judge, post negative things about bandwagon. He is a young man who has proven his love for Army and Army should love him back. He has dedicated 1/2 of his life to Army. Army should give him Grace, not judgement.
Not sure what I was typing that got auto corrected to “living and eating”. 🤦🏼♀️ I know living was loving, but eating????I think I was saying “being with”
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As a past musician and now a 2D artist, I've never put too much energy into the hype around an artist's personal life struggles because I like to take the artist's work as it is. With that, I didn't know why there was a controversy with the JT collab. I don't follow Brittney or JT news. I guess ignorance is bliss. I have liked some of their music; they are both talented people.
As for the JK/JT collab, I really liked it vs the Harlow collab. So, maybe with this collab choice, just maybe, JK liked JT's music and JT's vocal style; maybe it was just that simple. The collaboration works, and I enjoy the song. ...and maybe, it's that simple.
It is exactly that simple.
100% Agree
I agree 👍
I suspect a lot of the collaborations were decided by the producers and not JK.
I agree wholeheartedly with how important it is to research an issue thoroughly before forming an opinion. However as a teacher I struggle to get my students to understand what a reliable source for research is: they find it hard to separate grounded opinion from baseless opinion, and often put scientific research, journalistic accounts and social media influencers at the same level - when they even think about looking at scientific papers. It is also a long process that requires some reading and understanding, a process some of them are not willing, and sometimes able, to go through. And these are university students, not younger teens, so it is no wonder sensational stories appeal to so many. I'm glad BTS have always been very thoughtful about researching facts and opinions (eg Namjoon and the feminist issue), and cautious as to their own impact and how they promote the causes that are dear to them. They're a great example.
I think it’s so important that we take a breath and don’t have knee jerk reactions to every issue that arises. That’s not easy when social media lives and dies on “hot takes”. Not every issue is worth a response and it would help if we didn’t constantly fuel an outrage economy.
We all know how Scooter Braun works and it's pretty crappy. We know what he did to T. Swift. He is the last person I want near any of the BTS members. He does not have a great reputation when it comes to his artists and the last people I want him near is BTS. Saying that, the members are grown men and can stand up for themselves. Do I want any of them working with Scooter? No but it's also not my career. We can have our thoughts but in the end the members are strong enough to look after themselves and, most of all, I trust them. 💜
I love your respect for BTS… same 💜
저는 Scooter와 Taylor Swift에 대해 전혀 몰랐어요.…….. :(
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@kristal2783 "We all know how Scooter Braun works and it's pretty crappy. We know what he did to T. Swift. He is the last person I want near any of the BTS members. He does not have a great reputation when it comes to his artists and the last people I want him near is BTS."
Exactly how I feel!! Thanks for saying this.
Wow, Taylor Swift really gained the public opinion by badmouthing him. Have any of you looked into the facts of what legally transpired with her work? I challenge all of you to do so… she is not innocent and she had every chance to purchase her originals before Scooter purchased Big Machine Records.
I am so grateful for your discussion . I agree with everything that you have said, and am grateful for a sense of calm amidst the chaos. There is so much anger, impatience, judgment and intolerance exchanged on social media. You are right. We have to be aware of all the noise that surrounds us, and take time to educate ourselves. Most importantly, we need to explore and understand what our true values and principles are, and live by our convictions and conscience. Thank you so much for always presenting a well thought out perspective in an honest and articulate fashion.
Nice discussion. Personally I’m not worried about JK’s collabs. I think he literally took one for the team (BTS) by being willing to do a bunch of western collabs in English, because he was the one whose musical interests and abilities suited it. RM, Suga, J-Hope, and Jimin were all vocal about not wanting the band to be pushed in that direction during the Butter and PTD era - you see that reflected in their solo work. (Tae’s, too, though he wasn’t as vocal with complaints.) Jungkook doing this work in the solo era placated Scooter and his ilk, while also letting JK work on his vocal, English, and dance skills. It’s a good compromise for BTS and a good learning experience for Jungkook and the BigHit management. I’m not a Justin Timberlake fan and never will be, but I liked his 3D remix a lot better than the original. It’s a nice pop song, but not worth getting worked up about one way or the other. It’s good that you’re reminding everyone to calm down and think, because-based on lyrics and live streams in the solo era- I think BTS as a whole is going to make some bold social statements after they come back from the military. Those will unavoidably be politicized, at least in S. Korea, because the social issue I think they will talk about intersects directly with policy there. So we should all practice being calm and thoughtful now. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
This is a good point I hadn't considered! I suspect JK genuinely wanted to stretch this way, but now that you mention it I'm sure part of it was strategic to fulfill whatever agreements they had with Scooter etc. It must be difficult for the boys not being able to share the business side of things with their fans - I feel like JK in particular isn't super interested in that lol.
Just my thoughts before watching this vid. If JK doesn't want to do it, no one can push him. But the songs appealed to him & his desire to crossover into various genres challenged his desire for the cool factor - to grow to be cool for ARMY.
I am not sure we are thinking about the same "bold social statements", but if it relates to a cause they have been cautiously though openly supporting for years now, I am really looking forward to them tackling it more boldly. There will be political ramifications, most certainly, but the consequences on their popularity among some layers of their fanbase could be so strong that I wonder how they will approach it. Cleverly and thoughtfully, I do not doubt, as with everything they do. They will have my wholehearted support if they have that courage.
@@dutenead790 I think you and I are on the same page, 100%.
Jeongukkie didn't take one for the team - he's always wanted to do i!💜💜Talked about it forever; thats why he was learning English. It's the dodgy OTT seghs lyrics & the dreadful picks of Artists to perform with; & particularly with the dodgy lyrics - it's a mistake; most of his fans are very very young girls & their parents really won't like it (plus the dodgy version of 7 - nobody says that! Scooter is double dealing - he's threatened by BTS, by JJG, & all of Kpop & he's trying to scupper Gukkie (& probably Bangtan too.) I wouldn't trust that joker as far as I could throw him🤮💜 - he's a nasty piece of work + an arch manipulator (with an absolutely terrible reputation) I hope Bang PD knows what he's doing (& it is the man himself, he'll never relinquish Management of BTS🌏💜🙏🏻💜🇬🇧💜
I think the American producers Jung Kook is working with chose jk's collaborators and they picked those that benefitted Them. I think they used JK's popularity to boost their own artists. I agree that JT's version of 3D is much better. It is too bad it wasn't the original. I thought using RM or Suga to write the lyrics and let JK sing the whole song would have been best, too.
@@bee12117 I would love a future project where RM and Suga wrote an album of songs for Jung Kook to sing! But they also have their own solo careers and I love Indigo and D Day, too.
I agree
@@daffodilunderhill7066why can’t jungkook just write his own material? As you said, RM and Suga have their own solo careers they can write for. Why does everyone else have to do all the work for him?
I agree with your research strategies for making decisions. Thank you for pointing out that often analysis changes over time. I have found it helpful to keep this fluidity in mind. It is a wonderful time in life when someone or some event comes along and blows the structure of my beliefs and decisions out the window. That's when I become allive. I begin to listen, to deeply feel, and to integrate who I am and what I honor into the activities and the words that I use to speak my life. Being aware of how I feel in my body is my best guide to a sense of what is moral for me. The practice is to keep tuning in and slowing down to feel what is right for me.
Timing for this remix release was just baaaaad. A big part of why BTS became such a big success was bcz of the respect ARMY has for them as people with their positive messages through their music. BTS has never gone after the bad boy image. This was why not many supported Jack Harlow on 3D and Scooter Braun. Majority of ARMYs are females. To have Justin Timberlake involved with Jungkook’s song rubs so many wrong. JT has not addressed what came out in Britney’s book which voiced JT as someone who stepped on women to achieve his success and wealth. Perhaps BH/ HYBE is not looped in on American scandals but they have handled their own scandals to keep their artist untainted. Taylor Swift is having a huge ride on her popularity now here in the US and globally as well so her giant fan base is against anything Scooter is involved with. I don’t think this is politics. Even his own artists have all abandoned Ithaca Holdings including his prize artist, Ariana Grande. HYBE should pay better attention to who and when to allow their artists to work with if they want to maintain a clean image for their artists bcz it confuses us and we speak with our consumption power as fans.
Actually from what I have read, you are wrong on your facts about why people are no longer with Scooter. He is now CEO of Hybe America. Arianna and the others are still under him. This is what happens when people know bits and pieces about things and virtue signal. I’m woman. I don’t judge people based off of these kinds of reports because we never really know the truth. Same with Britney. God bless her. I love her, but we all know she has had breakdowns, mental problems, and etc. I just think it is wrong to judge others unless you are a person who can’t be judged for anything because you are perfect. It’s hypothetical. I am not perfect, so it is not my place to judge. (Unless it is 100 factual and criminal like Hitler).
@@Imme_begin Thank you. I keep trying to point out to people that as CEOs of HYBE America, Braun and Lenzo Yoon have very little to do with Park Jiyoon, CEO of HYBE Korea. But people don't want to hear it; they want to believe HYBE is evil, manipulative, etc. They even still blame Hitman Bang, although he's only Chairman of the Board and trying to get back to more musical production.
Same kinda thing we see with shippers, just directed at the company.
But what's really getting to me is, Jungkook said he wanted- chose- to do this. That should be the end of it. But so many folk default to the, 'No, he's just SAYING that, it's not TRUE.' Way to show total disrespect, people!
Anyone can write anything in a book and even bothering to say anything about can cause that book to get more publicity. Maybe not openly talking about it is the best thing. Who know's what's going on behind the scene's eg lawyer filing complaint's with the courts. etc etc. Which also are best done quietly so as not to stir up more publicity that will cause people to buy the book.
I say just enjoy the art for what it is. BTS together and as solo artists makes great music - enjoy! Before social media, people didn't often know all the personal stories about the artists they listen to in any detail. When I first started following BTS, I was amazed by how much access was granted into their lives outside of music through all the social media content. I enjoy watching them and learning everything about their personalities, etc., but it's much more than I would be willing to let people see and more than what many artists would want seen. I don't think this should be the norm. Does the fact that you don't have a sqeaky clean reputation mean you can't make good art? I don't need to know all the backstory on an artist to enjoy what they produce. I am just here for the music and try not to be influenced, positively, or negatively by what artists do beyond that.
I agree
What art? He didn’t write anything on his own. And the songs that he did sing were just about boning 24/7 and thirsting after girls on his phone. So, where’s the art?
So glad that JK decided to stand with his brothers and did not let the American producer to do too much damage. Going to the military means that Scooter Brown will look for other people to exploit. Bang PD should have been more careful instead to throw JK into his hands. I know that JK said that he chose to do it, but working with sharks is always dangerous. I can also imagine how much the pressure was on JK, since they started speculating to squeeze him as solo artist while the others were on military. I was so afraid he would give in, since they fed on his ambition to be the biggest artist. Glad to see once again that the bond among the members is stronger than ever. It kept JK sane, regardless of the tempting promises. What makes BTS is them together, it's the best message they give us ARMY. BTS cannot be managed by the sort of Scooter Brown, he will never understand and will exploit them for his greed. ARMY will wait for BTS OT7 to come back and make their music, with their lyrics, their message, their depth in meaning... 아포방포
🔥 what a brilliant comment. Totally agree with each line😊
I prefer BTS as OT7, BTS is all of them, not just one. The issue with the type of hype raised with just one is that the intention of Scooter Brown was to isolate JK and ditch the rest. If that is the price, then BTS would be no more. JK will shine in due time and be rightfully the king but not at the expenses of BTS. This is a key that new fans do not get, JK chose BTS,and I plaude him for that.
@@bee12117 talent in a vulgar frame? His songs were inspiring the world. They helped many to overcome failure, loss of their close friends and relatives, disease consequences and now …. They made him ( ok, he’s made himself, if you like to think so) a ‘grown up’person too much obsessed with his masculinity & sexuality. And you consider it a talent development?
@@bee12117⛔⛔⛔⛔⛔Attention: toxic fan of only one member identified, I repeat, toxic fan of only one member identified. The truth is that you need so little information about BTS, information that by the way is open to the public, to know that JK adores BTS and is waiting with great joy for a new meeting with the OT7 that one is impressed by the comments of people who say be a fan of an artist but they encourage actions that are totally different from that artist's wishes
@@bee12117KING K-POP IS JIMIN ❤😂
I will always love JK but have not agreed with all the people he has collaborated with.
Right now scooter has way too much influence on him and he needs this military break to reflect refocus and review what direction he wants his solo music to go in the future 💕💜💕
Agree with you🌹
@@bee12117 and now he is a poor Korean artist? Or you think he needs more popularity and money to be more happy? Name smb from the long list of pop stars who considers himself to be healthy in body, mind and spirit and has sincere friends. You wish JK the similar life & fate they have?
@@bee12117 thank you for your rather polite reply in this hot discussion🌹
71 year old BTS Army here. With the exception of Latto, these are all people that JK greatly admires and I bet he had plenty of input on his collabs. I am positive they are all on his huge collab bucket list (except Latto), but I am sure he is happy it happened. Why not, "Seven" (Feat Latto) is his biggest solo release to date! 💜
Could someone just once post a nice headline about JK. My mental health is literally suffering from all the judgment, hate, scrutiny, and headlines. I guess I’m going to have to take a break from SM including YT. I love this channel, the maturity, thoughtfulness, etc., but I really need to see someone somewhere come up with a positive story and headline. For such a sweet guy, it shouldn’t be hard to do.
The’guy’ is sweet but scooter’s influence made him to be sometimes vulgar both in movements and in lyrics of such songs a 3d& 7. I don’t judge, but just hate vulgarity.
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@@rinasilent8533 The fact is, Scooter Braun's influence on BTS, TXT, or any of HYBE's Korean groups, is extremely limited. Scooter Braun and Lenzo Yoon are the co-CEOs of HYBE America. Park Jiyoon is the CEO of HYBE Korea. Braun and Yoon are involved with Geffen, QC, the new Latin acquisition, and other US projects. Big Hit falls under Park's domain, along with Pledis, KOZ, the Japanese branch, and the other K-groups.
@@rinasilent8533 Yes I didn't like it when JM had vulgar movements on stage in his previous song either. And some of the rappers lyrics are questionable too.
@@kshafer6220 thank you for detailed info and I admit you’re right. But I’m still suspicious abt smb’s external influence, since I can’t accept sudden change in the direction of JK’s ‘development’ ( lyrics of 7&3d and …)🤷🏻♂️. For me it’s a big disappointment. Hope time’ll pass and everything will fall into place
Very well said. The only thing I would add is, in this particular case it was almost certainly done before the controversy came out. It takes time to set up a collab and record, edit, etc. This controversy is very new. I don't think anyone can credibly hold JK or Hybe responsible for something they almost certainly didn't know about.
That is an excellent point and certainly true; this collab must have been done months, or at least weeks ago- well before the mess occurred.
I love BTS, all 7. What I don’t understand is why we can’t just enjoy music for what it is: music. Please tell me who is perfect because we won’t find one, so what does music have to do with a person’s background. JT/JK version was a lot better than the original and should have been part of GOLDEN.
All the people who started accusing JT should realize that just like them, people change and that politics, religion, wars, etc, have nothing to do with each other.
Let’s enjoy music for what it is. Who are we to tell an artist who they should colab with or what to eat or wear; it’s not our business because it’s their personal life.
You don’t like a song, well more to the next one. SIMPLE
Stands up and claps wildly well said Bravo, Thank you for you very sensible comment.
I think the Western artists need Jungkook, to be relevant in their own country, that’s makes me so proud, JK is the “IT” boy.
No but there’s something in scooter I just don’t like. I don’t know what , exactly.. However, he has a very good eye when it comes to talented artists
He can recognize good talent but he uses it for his own gain which results in good talent being sexually objectified and morally degraded.
This was such a good discussion. I agree with your position on it all. BTS guys are very socially responsible. Getting into politics will do nothing for them or society. My husband & I disagree politically so we don’t even discuss it. He does not check his sources and I do. I'm willing to listen and he is not. He would be one of those people squawking on line if an artist took an opposing position. If I don’t feel comfortable discussing politics in my own home, I can only imagine what would happen if BTS or any group took a position. Leave politics out and discuss with your friends & family. Wasn't it Dixie Chicks that lost their career after making a comment about Pres. Bush? Boom cancelled!
( I think they are back performing). As far as JK & JT, I agree that jk did not need either collab. I have never been a JT fan or Harlow fan. So the collab is just ok. But collabs seem to be the thing now. Saying that I would love to hear a collab with Norah Jones & V. I digress …..
I think this time with the military stinks in terms of their career and away from fans but may be good to be a regular guy for a while. I'm sure they will pick up where they left off & better if that's possible. Thanks again.
6:54 Stop; reminds me of an excellent and timely song on j-hope's album, Jack In The Box. I agree with you that BTS has struck a smart balance in managing their public versus private endorsement of causes. I hope they will continue to steer clear of public statements on controversial political issues. Regarding Jungkook's collab choices, I think both 3D and Seven tarnish Golden, and not only because of the collaborators' content. JK's debut solo album would have shone much more brightly without either song.
"Regarding Jungkook's collab choices, I think both 3D and Seven tarnish Golden, and not only because of the collaborators' content. JK's debut solo album would have shone much more brightly without either song."
I fully agree with this. Seven, Too Much and especially 3D is what prevents me from buying this album. Which is sad as I enjoy BTS' music a lot and want to support their solo careers as well.
@@donnawilson559 JK said if you don’t like it, don’t listen. It is May 2024 and his album & 7 is still charting. Taylor Swift didn’t even beat 7 with the amount of streams on Spotify. Ddaeng.
@@jessjoymoyer Irrelevant comment. Read mine again with some comprehension.
I've no idea about JT private life as I've never listen to his music either. No one is perfect everyone has their flaws. I was happy with the colab as it sounded great. So what, he didn't want to be a father that's a personal choice. They both had a responsibility not to get pregnant if an accident happens then that's her decision what she's going to do about it. I personally don't agree with abortion as a means of contraception but I'm never going to treat someone badly if they choose to do that. She could have chosen to carry on with the pregancy with or without his say so even if he didn't want to be a father. Did he forcefully take her to have an abortion while she was kicking and screaming No?
As to his politic's I've not heard what he's said or why he came to whatever conclusion he came to.
If I hear an artist saying something that's downgrading another person being a right arsehole then I'm not going to be interested in supporting that arts by buying, streaming their music or buy a ticket to go to their concerts.
I do believe in offering scope for someone to change their mindset and their behaviour as we all make error's of judgement we can't expect people to be perfect for no one is perfect.
I think if people are going to be so loud on social media, they should at least have the facts. Not something they just “read somewhere on the internet.” For example site a reliable source.
“Society is made for the loudest voices but I am still speaking silence.”
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RM Wildflower
But regarding Justin- I thought it was by far the best collab. It elevated the song and the harmonies and ad-libs of both were beautiful.
Bring back "Music and Artists for Healing". period
I think JK just wanted to sing or work with these Artists that are on his album or any of his other collaborations. People got mad about RM/BTS collaboration with Desiigner for Mic Drop but its one of my favorite because of the flow not the lyrics which is what I felt BTS also liked. BTS works hard and should enjoy working and learning from other artists that they like vrs trying to please ARMY which is too big a fandom to please everyone 🤔😏
oh, don't you believe that art changes culture? some of the most iconic art comes from artists who are making a "political, governmental statement." the lyrics in the songs that BTS was making (in most of their music ), was commenting on "political" situations in their country. Perhaps, we're talking about a different aspect of political commentary. i totally agree with you about the social media maelstrom; personally, i don't pay attention to it, even while i realize that i miss much of the "spitfire" that it contains. i just know who BTS is and what they stand for and the rest is just insanity. Jung Kook, as the youngest, is letting go of this fierce moment of his artistic career to serve with his "brothers" in the military. that is a personal sacrifice. for Army. for his members, his band. They are unique. it's why we love them.
Artists have always had a big impact on culture and social movements ... writers, poets, musicians, painters, etc, philosophers ... they have always been socially critical and had a lot of influence on social and cultural changes ... musicians like Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Jim Morrison, David Bowie, Leonard Cohen etc ... and I would also add BTS to them
Old Scooter needs to leave JK alone. JK don’t need him
JK had the finale decision in who he want's to work with it's his decision, he's not a child. He wasn't forced to work with Scooter.
Honestly Usher should have been the one that collaborated for the song 3D. For the song standing next to You.... It should have been Janet Jackson. You can only match a Jackson with Jackson. That would have been epic to have Michael's little sister singing along with JK who is influenced by her big brother...
EPIC...not Usher.
Haven't watched this yet. Last one on BTS chapter 2 solo promo was way off the mark for me. Was disappointed with the analysis. Boracity Magazine was the same. I liked both the channels but strangely both of them have the same analysis on chapter 2 solo promos which I disagree with.
Anyway after reading comments here I thought most did not touch upon why twitter Army kinda boycotted this remix. Justin Timberlake has been trying to make a comeback for a while but because of his behaviour with Britney and Janet Jackson he's not well received. Plus the signing of Israel letter for Scooter Braun. There are many Palestinian Army who are suffering and it was insensitive to do this remix.
Its PD Bang who made this very unwise decision (to the detriment of BTS reputation too) to bring in Scooter and hand over Jungkook to him to make him a mega pop star very quickly. Jungkook also wanted to be one according to his words. He is competitive and Jimin's #1 in BB hot 100 spurred him off his house to finally get moving. Timeline of events shows this. He has been copying Jimin album concept photo styles too which is fine cute brother thing to do but this is someone's hard work. He should have thought of doing his own for Army too like raplines and Jimin did.
Anyway I think Scooter x Jungkook project as its known didn't succeed outrageously as they had hoped and so change of plan was swift. Jungkook is now enlisting simultaneously with others (2025 BTS comeback was uncertain before according to PD Bang interview and I think was deiendent on JK project outcome. Jimin and RM were pushing for 2025 right from the start but at some point RM said it wasn't certain it was happening like PD Bang said.).
Re JK x Scooter Project I think it was more a loss than a gain. Spotify success is because Scooter has a share in it. Whatever success JK project got is paid for sadly. Plus JK's #1 BB Hot 100 didnt shift the Hybe shares as Jimin's did (and he had just basic investment for his solo debut). Imagine if JK project had same playing field as hyung line and Jimin (V got some playlisting because he worked with Adore) ie zero radio and some playlisting with min promo like shows interviews what would have been JK's success? J Hope got Lollapalooza on his own. If JK had released songs before Hobi he'd have no chance to do MAMA and Rocking Eve NY show because JK would get them instead because he's the project. I don't believe other members would have refused some promo that JK got. They probably thought they couldn't ask for such promo and were too humbie or reticent to ask. Like Jimin 3rd mv request was told its too much to ask. J Hope was offered qr code instead of CD probably thinking he'd be happy to experiment on eco idea rather than trying out with other Hybe artists. Also the members most probably don't know their albums didn't reach fans on time and so were not counted towards their sales charts. Don't understand why Hybe do this when all Hybe artists incl BTS albums get delivered on time.
Due to lack of much US JK fans there was difficulty in sales for his songs so lots of remixes and versions were released to increase the sales. Bang n Scooter miscalculated JK's popularity in the US. They probably thought BTS English songs fame (with JK English singing proficiency) and big JK Weverse live audiences translated into lots of buying fans.
All I am saying is these remixes incl with Usher is just bringing in unnecessary baggage for JK as BTS member. The project needs to make good with this investment and hence these remixes and Jungkook brand merch (probably for 2025 JK concert or success miscalculated investment) while he is away in the military. He will gain some fans out of these remixes like he did with Harlow.
I am glad rest of BTS members did not resort to so much remixes and versions and bundles too. Bang PD destroying BTS reputation for what? Hybe just didn't realise stupidly that all members have huge potential as solo artists to succeed and earn. They thought only JK had the potential which is more than foolish to think especially for PD Bang who know them well?
You make some very interesting points to think about.
This is my favorite version of 3D. I like it much better than the one with JH .
If you don't like it don't listen -JK.
And some people are always blaming BigHit/HYBE and BangPD for doing the wrong moves. BangPD knows what he is doing and how to protect BTS like they a family. Even giving each member of BTS shares of the company which I believe no other music company has done. You seem to forget that he created and developed BTS for what they are now and he really treated each and everyone in BTS like no other. Even some of you didn't really admire BTS as a group and individual artists before. You were not fans before. BangPD gave them freedom to do what the guys wanted to do with his guidance on the side. BigHit gave them freedom unlike other KPop companies. Now Jkook is a grown up man am sure he can say no if he thinks it will be a disadvantage to him. Jkook is an artist first so he will do what he thinks is right for him to grow. Why do you think he chooses to enlist in the military now when he is making a big name on his own. It certainly shows he can decide for himself. He has his own future plans and no "fans" can stop him. He has enough money now that I believe he is doing things now for his art or craft. He certainly knows which road to take. What you all know about HYBE BangPD BTS and JK in particular is what social media is feeding you only. I don't think any of us really knows the inside happening in the music industry or HYBE and BTS.. Just like before WHEN Jkook was doing nothing but be online talking and drinking when the rest of BTS are busy doing their solo projects. And the fans are complaining that HYBE and BangPD is not doing anything for JK. And then suddenly Jkook was very busy being the global ambassador for Calvin Klein and then him releasing Seven etc and everybody was surprised. And now again fans are complaining that he is doing it wrong. Damn if you don't damn if you will.
Very well said! Once again I agree with every point you have made. Although the thought is probably horrifying to you, I think you need to go into politics to compensate for the sludge that seems to be taking over the American political system. 😘😂
Ariana grande , Justin Bieber , Demi cut ties with scooter ! And don’t even get me started with him and Taylor swift drama . This man can’t be trusted, I hope Junkook is careful with him .
Scott is the CEO now- he can’t be a manager anymore. & it is false, Justin is still with the label as well as Ariana. Ariana has a new manager but still under Hybe America.
Love the JK & JT collab!
For me I just dont think the collab was necessary. No one asked for it, no one needs it. The song already had Jack Harlow featured. Also can you please talk about the amount of remix versions hybe seems to drop for each single of their major artists. Especially with Jungkook. Its getting kind of ridiculous their greed and desperation to top charts and increase streaming numbers and I dont think thats a good solution to it.
Bighit & other most western artists always release remix for fan who buy the remix. Don't you remember Butter & Dynamic multi remix.
@@Sn0wflake7827 im sorry but no, no western artist releases that many remixes. theres no need to pump out 10 remixes of a hit single. I get a clean and explicit versiom but we dont need a summer remix, tropical house remix, holiday remix, lowfi remix, electronic remix and no one cares about them other than mass stream farming fans. Its overkill and clearly a cheap way to boost streams to head up the charts.
@@nevamindddthis is my opinion. The remixes help to keep the members on the charts in the West. Western artists will get radio plays which help keep you on the charts. No matter how good the song, BTS members little to no radio play. Additionally, Billboard changes the rules and stated a digital download only counts once a week from the same IP address. Without the remixes, a fan can only buy one song a week to keep the song on the chart. Think about Jimin’s album Face. It sold the fifth most units in the US for 2023. Yet, it couldn’t stay in the top 30 after the first week. Why is it important to do well on charts? Artist get opportunities they would not otherwise. They get media and fans discussing he music with the hope of enlarging the fan base. Just some thoughts.
@@bee12117 go back to school kid, this is a place for adult discussion. people who use their brains.
Well it was Jung kook who wanted to do it and he did it good for him. He's a grown adult and he can do whatever he wants when it come's to his art.
I don't understand. the song is amazing. It's a MUCH cleaner version and better, in fact I'm not even listening to the other one. BUt I'm old. JK is very good artist, so JT is not ok but comparing BTS to A known perdophile like Michael Jackson is fine? pft. I LOVE the song.
Lets get something straight about Michael Jackson, you can have your opinion on him but he was found not guilty in the court of law in regards to all allegations against him as there was literally no proof to prove his guilt. Whether you believe he was innocent or not he was never convicted of those crimes so no he was not a known pedophile.
Thank you for bringing this up! I have been completely befuddled by JK's POOR choices over the past year ... from the World Cup (extremely controversial regarding human rights) to Jack Harlow (an ugly addendum to a beautiful song) and now JT. I worried that JK is just too naive or too driven. Does he have to go that far to be accepted? Were his brothers not advising him?
Now I see I just underestimated the power of The Company - and the idiocy of Scooter Braun. I hope the members are discussing this seriously; this is not who they are.
Thanks God he chose to go to the military with his brothers, hopefully things will cool down. RM and V are due to start on Dec 11 and Jimin and JK on Dec 12. Latest from news agency.
Agree with what you say. I think JK is both a little naive and driven by his desire to be recognized as a global pop star so he follows the advice from those who are just seeking to use him for their own gain.
Did you see the outrage and Islamophobia accusation when BTS were considering going to katar to perform or not ? Korea and katar has political ally and BTS were made to perform there without giving them a penny, some of us forget that how vulnerable position south Korea is in where they need help from Arab Emirates, US and even made ally with Japan to protect itself from NK and China, we from different countries where we don't have forced military to protect ourselves from other countries shouldn't speak abt this topic especially when Muslim army we're calling everyone Islamophobic bcz some of us didn't want them to go there ,
They did bring some Valid points how we ignore those things for other countries like France but not them
And WHO congratulate jk & strongly associated with fifa team , you can't put a Korean on pedestal when the worldwide agency did nothing instead go and support fifa
Scooter Braun's rep precedes him & for me personally, its all about the money for him (& Hybe) & less about hw he gets it so wen i heard he was involved with Hybe/BH, my immediate thort was💩gonna hit the fan sooner or later & it seems his influence is already being felt...jk mayb an adult that cn make his own decisions but i still think he mayb a little naive about the nachinations/manipulations that go on behind the scenes & duznt necessarily take notice in his quest to becum a gobal superstar & make beautiful music...with their military duties looming he'll hav sum time to reflect if its worth the compromise of his values/principles @ the cost of his ambition
Well said. I agree with you.
I feel like they are trying to sabotage him because JT and JH did not enhance the song but hurt it. JH rap was awful I am sorry but he could have done a better job it was like he just threw some words together. My personal opinion
I wish we could go back to the days when we didn't know about our favorite artists personal life . We was just happy listening to their music. I grew up in the 60's when major artists in all forms of entertainment stood up and marched for civil rights. I'm sure not all were ok with it, but we didn't have social media, which makes a big difference. I guess what I'm trying to say is ..... Focus on the art and let the rest take care of itself. If you dig deep enough you will find some kind of dirt on everyone, especially in the entertainment business.
As far as the BTS collabs go I often wondered why the major US artist aren't collaborating with BTS. And then I saw an interview where one of the rap stars was talking about to get JZ on a feature cost 1 million dollars 😮. And then I saw Pharrell in an interview taking to RM where he talked about how excited he was to meet them backstage for the first time .RM commented something like he couldn't tell because in the picture they took Pharrell looked bored. Pharrell said inside he was fanboying big time. I think some not all are a little intimidated by BTS musical abilities and don't want to be compared to them or seen as clout chasers. There's a lot of BIG egos in entertainment. Just something to think about the next time BTS does a collab.
I think nobody is counting the time that is needed to planning this collaboration. It may be the case of a deal previous to the publication of Britney Spears' book (Oct 24). We have to count the fact that JT and Usher' collaboration are in royal level collaboration dream and that's a fact. Besides anybody can see HIVE presenting there PR counterpart by doing almost nothing of publicity knowing again how remarkable is a collaboration with JT because of his musical background, and you can see how they opted to use the same publicity technique with Usher to avoid criticism because favoritism.
Finally this kind of bad reception to collaborationS would limited more and more the possibility of collaboration of BTS with other artist, because they would catalog them as too problematic for PR.
I love the collaboration of the rap line specially Jhope & RM collaboration stand out they collaborate with respect western artist
Even in this colab jt put in his two cents about CRY LIKE A RIVER which was how he blamed Britney and built his career off using the poor me card gf cheated and m broke my heart 😡 that's how he treats other people. Shame on bang pd for going western stye. Love BTS BECAUSE of THEIR MUSIC the meaning of it all.😔I don't listen to artist here in the USA. Their all evil and greedy and perverted.🇺🇸
You know, before you make videos like this, you need to do some digging into how HYBE actually works.
HYBE is two wings of one company. One half is HYBE America, with Scooter Braun and Lenzo Yoon as co-CEOs. They're responsible for everything HYBE does in the US: the Geffen artists, the QC artists, the recent Latin acquisition.
The other half is HYBE Korea. The CEO is Park Jiwon. He's responsible for what the groups in Korea do: Big Hit, Pledis, Belift, KOZ Entertainment, Source Entertainment, HYBE Japan.
The HYBE A CEOs have little influence over what HYBE K does. And HYBE K exerts very little influence over their music groups. They leave most of the group management to the various companies under their wing, and don't try to impose specific rules or directives in training or performing. That's because all these different sub-companies have their own structured way of doing things. HYBE is the parent company and does not interfere in the day to day, month to month, promo to promo schedules. This is particularly true in BTS's case. They are the superstars, they are stockholders; there's talk they may be on the board of directors themselves, after their service. The company bends over backwards to give them what they want, to the best of its ability.
Over in the US, Braun recently turned over management of Ariana and Justin to other people in the company in order to get more into the company's administrative side. (And Ariana complained about it; it was one of the reasons she decided to leave Geffen.) If he's not even managing the stars he used to, there's virtually no chance that he's trying to manage Jungkook, right under Park Jiwon's nose. And the fact that Jungkook is collab'ing with artists who are not under HYBE pretty much puts an end to that notion.
I mean, quite apart from the fact that he said, himself, that he *chose* to do this and people are deliberately ignoring his words and even indirectly calling him a liar. JK is very direct and honest, and if he said he wasn't planning on doing something but the company came and asked him to, we could believe that. Since he said he CHOSE to, we should show some respect and take his word for it.
Oh, I'm so sorry, I have to I disagree fundamentally. I guess my definition of politics is a bit different from yours. I think what we need is the contrary - stop being apathetic, recognize that everything we do and believe in is political, become proactive in at least some of the issues that concern you. Make your voice heard by every representative you voted for. We as democratic societies could benefit from accepting that politics is not some abstract, separate thing from our life, people are governed by other people, that they themselves empower. Democracy is very fragile unless it is propped up by a strong, well informed and proactive civil society. Obviously there's nuance, but the complexity of an issue should not prevent us from working on solving it. We need individually and as communities take more responsibility for our own governance - from the smallest local level of your district or town to the highest. I think separating politics from society will sooner create an even more fertile ground for corruption, abuse of power and eventual dictatorship and tyranny.
Obviously, this is w/r/t democracies, however imperfect they are, and tyranny needs to be dealt with differently, and the example you're bringing up is less of a social issue, it's a humanitarian effort. Which will also work so much better, efficiently and timely if there's a developed civil society with established networks that can connect your aid and the person in need of it with as few intermediaries as possible. If a person wants to donate food, medicine etc to children in need of it and not to one of the warehouses to be appropriated and resold somewhere, politics needs to be as close to the common men as possible. I feel like people as as often just morally and mentally weak, overburdened and desperate as they are corrupt and nefarious, so besides self-improvement we should all definitely work towards making it is hard as possible to abuse the power for any governmental post.
In short, every society should be ARMY - vigilant, self-organized and not letting anyone powerful get away with any form of discrimination or abuse. I hope I did not offend in my passionate rant, but I feel strongly about this.
I am always impressed how you manage to address rather daunting questions. I agree with you on a lot of points but believe it is the economic system (capitalism) which has to be changed to be able to live according to basic human values and safe people and the planet. And I can't see that happening ofc. I wished BTS would be more active regarding the climate change. Wouldn't that be a social activity too?
WESTERN singers must so jealous of JK and JIMIN right now ... JKs Manager needs to do his job properly and do some research first!!!
Western artist are not jealous of Jimin & Jk. Bts members as soloist are small compared to big western artist BTS are big when they are in group but as soloist they don't have big impact like when they are in the group.
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You are such a wonderful role model for RUclipsrs & ARMY. You beautifully exemplify the values that BTS has been working to spread. Thank you Dear One!
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Yes. The very "dirty" language &
all of those OTT seghs-lyrics is
his attempt to ruin Jeongukkie
& probably Bangtan. It disgusts
me that Scooter Braun is doing this - & Gukkie (& all of BTS) hv
worked so hard (their careers
can't be ruined by that person🤮💜)
That joker thinks he will destroy
JJG's (& BTS') UK/Europe & even
U S teen fanbase - bc their parents won't like any of this & in Korea🇰🇷💜
even worse! Idols are expected to be very verycareful in the language they use; to anybody under 18💜💜& their behaviour - there are laws prohibiting anything like
that re "Children" - Scooter B
sees Bangtan & Kpop taking
the Industry over Worldwide🎉💜
& he is running scared but
I don't trust him at all - he will
do anything🤨💜& I think all of
this is a mistake🙏🏻💜🇬🇧💜🌏💜
ABSOLUTELY the wrong collaborations. From Charlie Puth to Jack Harlow to now Justin Timberlake. He would do better to do it with The Weeknd, Khalid, Bruno Mars, Drake and Usher ( which I’m happy to see he did).
Yes, some of these would have been better collaborations, especially Bruno Mars. However, I wouldn't want to see a collaboration with The Weeknd after his Idol series with Jennie from Blackpink which was degrading to her.
I only want to see the colab's the Men of BTS want to do I don't want people dictating to the BTS members. That will take away their creative freedom their right to make their own decisions.
JK made the decision- you don’t like it? Don’t listen- he said that himself. Who are you to be the judge or decide what any member does creatively?
Scooter 🤮
The second 🛴 got involved things went downhill and everyone involved in that is responsibility for the sh&tshow Hybe/BH/BTS is now.
Breaks my heart bc I really wanted to believe they were different but the last year esp has made me question everything. I’ve turned to other groups and artists outside the Kpop machine for what I used to have with them. Like I said it breaks my heart. 💔
@aprylc978 "The second 🛴 got involved things went downhill and everyone involved in that is responsibility for the sh&tshow Hybe/BH/BTS is now."
This is so true! I am very concerned about the negative impact Braun will have on their careers. The vulgarity, profanity, sexual objectification and debasement of women in the first three songs JK released was appalling. I read a few interviews where it was stated that Braun chose these to bring forward to JK. Yes, JK could have refused them but because his desire to be a global pop star is so strong, he probably thought it best to follow Braun's advice. Seven could have been okay without the profane version which totally changed the whole meaning of the song. Too Much is not much better. 3D is just appalling. The other songs such as Standing Next to You and the shorter songs without the collaborations are good to listen to but the first three I listed are what is preventing me from buying the album.
@@bee12117 Rather than throw baseless accusations of lying to people you do not know, how about doing some research so you can speak with more accuracy? I watched and read a number of interviews by Jungkook, Bang PD, Braun, Watt, and others involved. I saw the interview where Jungkook said he picked the song. I also saw other interviews where both Jungkook and Bang PD said Braun approached him with the song choices to choose from. Bang PD said this in a couple of different interviews. So according to you, he is lying too?
Braun initiated the selection offered to Jungkook which is the basis for my comment. Yes, Jungkook could have refused all the songs offered but I believe his desire to be known as a global pop star meant he was putting a lot of trust into what these people were offering and advising and perhaps with some naivete.
@@bee12117 Depends on how you define successful. His BTS career and his solo career are two different things and cannot be compared with linear criteria.
@@donnawilson559 You are twisting things for you own narrative. Yes Braun was the one who offered the songs to Jungkook offered not forced him to accept them. JK like the rest of the BTS members have artist freedom to say YEA or NAY. The choice is down to Jungkook.
Jk wearing Balenciaga is is way more controvercial to ME than doing collab with JT. Just...think abt it.
I agree but I think that JK and the other BTS members may not be fully aware of the issues. I think a lot of what they know is informed by their management company and many of these product sponsorships are decided at levels higher than the artists in the industry.
@@donnawilson559he definitely quit wearing the brand full stop during the controversy. Right before the controversy, everyone online thought Balenciaga would be announcing the ambassadorship shortly after S/S collections. The fact he suddenly dropped the Balenciaga fits and the CK ambassadorship came out of no where STRONGLY indicates he and his team were aware. He started wearing all Balenciaga outfits again before enlistment in non-company affiliated sightings. That means it was his own choices to wear the brand again.
JK always said he wanted to be a Rock Star. Good move for him while at the same time promoting BTS. He always at the start of most song, etc, he always said I'm Jungcook of BTS.
Sorry... Long comment: I think JK and BTS do need to be more mindful. They should make the music they want but it still needs to be strategic to avoid tanking their positive reputation! They are adults but their fandom is diverse BECAUSE their discography is diverse and mostly positive! As a Black American, I've witnessed how collaborations can make or break you!! Chloe, Normani and other women collaborated with Chris Brown and it 100% hurt their trajectory. Many music producers are arrogant and often misogynistic... They thought the girls will help the his reputation but instead the girls looked silly singing with a known abuser with a temper. J. Timberlake is facing current controversy with Britney Spears and past misbehavior coming to light so of course Scooter wants to use JK to help Justin. I'm glad JK didn't promote the song and we shouldn't blindly support either... At risk of getting hate, even the Left/Right song dropped right at the end of pride month and Charlie Puth was playing into the LGBTQ market with that song FOR money. I'm still not sure if JK or the company knew what the final treatment would be since Korea is supposedly super conservative so I kept thinking would this song be taken well. Was this an intentional risk or was this a manipulation. I just think they need to take their time and make sure collaborations are MUTUALLY beneficial! My example for that... Beyoncé & Gaga's telephone was great for both of them and neither of them are problematic. I do prefer JT's version of 3D, but this was terribly timed!!
I am a conservative woman and OT7 but JK is under no obligation to do anything for Army. And it’s honestly funny to me how people are reacting to him when the rappers have some pretty graphic things and everyone is fine with the hip thrusting by all members for years and Jimin double grabbing and holding onto his crotch, but not JK singing about gratifying ONE woman he is in a long distance relationship with or living and eating to be with one woman he is in a relationship with in the other😮😮😮 song.. Im not judging Jk, the hip thrust or Jimin. I find it very hypocritical to harshly judge one and ignore the other. My gut says it is people who just live to judge others, who don’t like JK (I can’t imagine why) or who have other biases and are not happy with JK’s success. I refuse to jump on the hate, judge, post negative things about bandwagon. He is a young man who has proven his love for Army and Army should love him back. He has dedicated 1/2 of his life to Army. Army should give him Grace, not judgement.
Not sure what I was typing that got auto corrected to “living and eating”. 🤦🏼♀️ I know living was loving, but eating????I think I was saying “being with”
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@donnawilson559 oh ok. Didn’t know about The Weeknd and Jennie.