Edit to add: It has been in stock all day at MSRP at newegg: howl.link/zoo3x1emyvgtl. It may eventually go out of stock, but it was not a fake MSRP or paper launch with no supply (at least in the US). Regarding CPU driver overhead: as mentioned in this video, I recommend watching reviews that had time to test lower end CPUs as well. Gamers Nexus saw almost no difference on a 12400 and ryzen 5600, while noting that they conjecture that more differences would show in games reaching extremely high FPS: ruclips.net/video/m9uK4D35FlM/видео.htmlsi=QlLhL2soDEyAwyAh. Hardware Unboxed also tested on an Ryzen 5600: ruclips.net/video/buJSNbVYxVA/видео.htmlsi=-RMyjlQ2Ly29WrXM and noticed several cases where that did reduce the performance of the B570, but it is important to note that overall it was just a several percentage point reduction to the average. So I would not expect that to make a massive difference in the comparison vs the RTX 3050 (which neither review outlet tested). My conclusion is that I stand by what I said at the end of this video which is that it is certainly something worth noting, especially on an extremely low end and/or old CPU, but that these issues mostly show up when reaching high framerates, which is often not what cards in this class are typically able to achieve. I am sure that some specific games may be more problematic than typical (but this tends to be the case with Arc in general- it is still generally less consistent in performance when compared to AMD and Nvidia across a wide variety of games). The most important issue (again as noted in this video) is making sure that your motherboard/CPU platform supports resize BAR. If it does not, then you should not consider Arc GPUs.
Yeah, it seems there's no shortage of voices trying to amplify the frame pacing GN and HUB were talking about, not to mention everyone has only been quoting scalper prices like that's never happened before but magically there's no chance prices will come down. Literally _EVERY_ GPU launch we've seen over the last 4 years gets scalped for at least a month even if it's an _unwanted_ GPU. The PS5 Pro still has people trying to scalp it and there's actually an overstock of consoles because no one wants it at MSRP, let alone $1k. I'm sure prices will settle as hype dies down and new cards are announced from AMD and Nvidia. Too many people are listening to a certain clown that's clearly on a personal crusade to bash and drag down Battlemage because every card sold exposes the worst leak he _broke_ in years. The whole charade has really made me reconsider his integrity.
A whole lot of unsold 8gb cards is what is holding up the ARC rollout is my bet. I doubt it has anything to do with production ramp. Retailers are sitting on gobs of unsold 8gb cards
I've had people telling me all day today that the B570 is $350, and I can't imagine where in the world they are looking to find such an outrageously priced version of the card. The closest I saw was a B570 on the UK Amazon page for $319 pounds, even the Canadian price is 'only' $287. I can literally find B580s on Newegg and Amazon and Central Computers for $259 or less, and everywhere I look shows me B570s for $219 to $230.
And I bought one around 7 months ago (£265) to replace my 1070ti. No way was I "Upgrading" to a massively cut bus and staying on 8gb of VRAM with the 4060. I play 1440p I need the VRAM and the bus. so the 3060 12GB was the cheapest upgrade to allow me to use DLSS and RT "stuffs" the 4060 Is and WAS supposed to be the 4050. the 5060 NEEDS 10GB minimum.
6000s went up (substantially) in price when 7000s came out in my country. I guess to make sure we paid for the overpriced 7000s. Can't wait for the same stuff this next gen...
I made a video on last epoch showing the impact of resolution and requirements on last epoch max details 120Hz VSYNC 2160p 500w@psu 1440p 400w@psu 1080p 250w@psu resolution matters a lot but fps also do, that's why I keep talking about lossless scaling since I tried it last week, by locking fps to 60 (or less if you can't do stable 60) and using X2 scaling not only will you get a way smoother experience but instead of using 300w my gpu now uses 200w I gained 100w pretty much for free it's the revolution dlss and fsr aren't and it's 7$ not 2000$ when I see stable frametimes as here on the 1080p low of silent hill 2 I don't see 70fps anymore I see 60fps limited x2 lossless = 120fps
I understand why other review outlets would focus on the 4060 and 7600 since they are the lowest end current-gen options from AMD and Nvidia. However, I base my reviews on "if someone has X budget for a GPU, what is the best option?" So when a new $220 GPU launches, I don't compare it against $300 GPUs. I compare it against the competing GPUs available new for as close to $220 as possible. If someone had a $300 budget for a GPU, I would not consider the B570. I would compare it against competitors in that price range, and the closest competitor from Intel is the B580 not the B570.
I dont think Nvidia cares at all about budget cards, they only have them to stay somewhat relavent in this specific market and there are always folks that know nothing about tech who buy Nvidia just because they are the more well-known company
"219$ GPU" might be true for USA but here in Europe it's currently 281€ (while the b580 is at 316€) and it makes NO sense in the market. The B570 seems to perform 10% less than a 7600 sitting at 270$ isn't a good look for this card and things are not gonna get better when the competitors (mainly talking about AMD here) are gonna drop next gen low end gpus. Intel better adjust these prices otherwise it's not gonna sell well. Edit: the only thing that makes this better than the rx 7600 while performing worse is the ML upscaling. I should also mention though that the RTX 4060 often sits at 291€, which both outperforms the b570 and gives the best upscaling possible with a mere 10€ difference. So really, the only advantage this card has over its competitors is the extra 2gb of vram.
I live in Iceland and GPU pricing is also very weird. I got an i7-13700 and a 3060 in June 2023 and they were at the same price of $450 (tax included) Everything in tech gets a pretty high uplift in pricing here and that especially goes for GPU's
Could we get another test with an older CPU? I feel like a b570 buyer would have like a r5 3600 and older and there’s been a clear Overhead issue present in Intel GPUs
@@WimukthiBandara gamers nexus test suite does not involve that much cpu demanding games, of course he would say its overblown based on his data. GPU's like this are bought by people on a tight budget who cant always afford a full platform upgrade, if it doesnt work with the budget cpu, this budget gpu is useless
I can't tell you how excited I am for Intel to be relevant in any form of 1080p gaming. Having amd/Nvidia GPus for nearly 20 years and having another player in the market is incredibly exciting. I look forward to next 2-3 generations and hopefully see Intel GPUs compete in the RTX xx70 range. My 4060ti (don't judge, I got it for $300 with sale+employee discount) will very likely be replaced by Intel in 1-2 years if this keeps up. Thank you intel for putting more than 8gb in 1080p cards......
I have a blue house With a blue window Blue is the colour of all that I wear Blue are the streets And all the trees are too I have a GPU and she is so blue
Gamers nexus did half the review with a 5600x and 12400, still a bit of a drop vs the 9800x3d but in most games it seems its not a problem on this card.
The overhead issue does hurt it as an upgrade option for some people (below a 12400 or 5600 type CPU), but for new builds it looks pretty strong. A 7500f or 7600 if ali express is not an option would do quite well and leave a solid upgrade path. Unfortunately motherboards are still disturbingly expensive and that hasn't changed much
@@Zorro33313you're so wrong lol I can buy 3 right now. They're just... 290€ and 360€. And I would have gotten one for the PC I built last month for a friend's sister, but the 6650XT was so much cheaper it didn't make any sense not to use it. I was lucky I did, too, because the CPU performance would have crippled it.
Nice performance but I am not sure B570 makes sense against B580. 30$ differential and you have to give up 2GB of Vram when it's been such an issue lately. Maybe if they get it down to 180$ range it could have it's own identity now it's just under-powered B580.
Where are you trying to buy them? There's plenty of models available right now on Newegg, Best Buy, Amazon, and several other retailers at MSRP prices.
@ You guys seriously need to add the caveat that you're talking about non-USD prices, because that's not true for USD prices. I can get the B580 from numerous sources that aren't Microcenter, that are in stock right now at MSRP, including the most obvious places like Newegg or Amazon.
BMG-G21 edge die = B570 BMG-G21 good die = B580 I would say the ratio is around 10-15% to 85-90% Intel should have selling these for 199$ for market share
I’m glad intel is giving more attention on the budget end of the gpu market, a segment that both amd and nvidia seemed to have largely abandoned. Not everyone has over a thousand dollars to spend on 4090s, 4080s, 7900xtx etc.
in Croatia the B570 Challanger is only 20€ cheaper than B580 Challanger both from ASRock and they're both well over 300€. ASRock B570 Challanger is 329,00€ while ASRock B580 Challanger is 350,00€ but the good news is they're both available. edit: the 3050 8GB model is 236,00€ so I do believe it's got something to do with deliberate market dependent pricing from nVidia, intel and AMD.
I live in the UK, so Im always about 4-7hrs ahead of a lot of reviewers. I've been waiting for benchmark videos for ages (when I woke up I mean Its already 2pm here), and I'm excited
@@tin9759 that makes no sense. Imagine if AMDs GPUs worked worse on Intel than on AMD CPUs. Intel must fix the issue, specially if their CPUs are dog shit as they're being and everyone is getting AMD
The sheer volume of bot spam about crypto and comments from people about "CPU overhead" and about RX 6600 who clearly did not watch the first 30 seconds of the video is staggering lmao
I have my boys turn on DLSS Quality on almost all of their games using their 1080p 165hz 24 inch monitors... the difference is barely noticeable compared to the performance boost. They are both running 3060s
Ordered one these asrock ones for a white with black itx build I'm working on. Def for a brand new card and xess getting a lot better it seemed like a good idea. I've wanted to test one these cards out for a while now
It's absolutely heart breaking to see some clueless lad listing their 3050 on the marketplace just 2 weeks after they bought it brand new because they didn't know any better.
Haha, I think most of us have been there at some point, when I first got into PCs I bought a Geforce 2 MX coz I thought it was a better version of Geforce 2....it was not. 😆But that error only cost me £30 and it was a bloody good card for 30 quid! I'd have been gutted if I paid what a 50 class costs these days.
I'm biased but if I'm looking for any computer hardware benchmark testing I'm coming to Mr Owen channel first. Can't wait for his in depth benchmarks of new gen gpus with all of the different dlss versions and qualities
The only sad part about the Battlemage GPUs is that we can't get them in India. Been a month, yet there's no B580 listed anywhere. Makes no sense. Everything is available. Intel Arrow Lake CPUs are available. Why not this? Especially because that is a very big price segment here
Daniel, it might be beneficial to bin the percentage advantage by frame rate, in 30 fps ranges. Show the percentage difference where the frame rates were 0 to 29, where frame rates were 30 to 59, and where frames rates were 60 and higher. To your point, if the frame rate is "unplayable" it's still nice to see that the B570 out performs it's competition. But the results themselves at that low of an FPS could be ignored.
I had a thought that this would be ideal for younger people’s gpu. I guess they’d have plenty of reasons to go used whether it’s because they or their parents are savvy or their are getting a hand-me-down, etc. But do you think it would be detrimental to include benchmarks for popular games high huge variation of fps depending on scenarios (tough to benchmark). Eg. minecraft, battle royales, other popular sandbox games. I know a lot of users at this budget are playing such titles so I’m not sure if providing results with a disclaimer that the results may vary a lot would be beneficial or not.
I really want to see comparisons to AMDs new flagship iGPU. I'm waiting to see if cheap budget GPUs like those would be irrelevant soon - that might shake up market a bit
I really hope Intel will become a good choice so people will buy it and we will have finally another competitor in the GPU world. We need this competition to have another push on Nvidia and AMD to choose the correct price targets accordingly. High-end will unfortunately stay the same but the low/midrange will be probably shaken.
I think youre wrong about one thing daniel,nvidia doesnt need a 200 dollar gpu,they cannot bother selling anything below 300 dollars,their mindshare is so insane that people will pay 200 for a 3050 thats maybe worth 120 at best.
So how does it perform with a lesser CPU, like the 5600 let's say? Because let's be honest, if the 9800X3D is used as a baseline and the card shows significant losses in performance using a more realistic CPU, due to driver overhead problems, then why would you test using the best in this specific case? I ask because the 4060 aand 3050 both have identical performance using either a 5600 or 9800X3D. The B580 has upwards of a 50% difference depending, so what's the B570 going to have? Also HUB just got done testing the 4060 vs B580 in 50 total games and it shows a wildly different picture. Edit: *That came across as entirely too aggressive. I am grouchy in the mornings. Apologies.*
Unfortunately I don't think they can. With Battlemage they need a lot more die area to reach the same performance as a competing 4000 and presumably 5000 series NVIDIA card. The b580 already needs a die almost the size of a 4070 Ti while only delivering roughly 4060 performance. If they wanted to compete with NIVIDA's high end cards with their current architecture they'd end up with prohibitively large and expensive chips with preposterous power consumption. Really hoping they make some bigger leaps with Celestian but Battlemage sadly isn't there yet.
I think other outlets comparing against more expensive cards are building a bit of bias into their work. If the outlet already preaches that you should be way cheaper than Nvidia to even be considered, then they build in an unfair comparison lining up a $220 GPU from Intel against a $300+ GPU from Nvidia!
I understand why some review outlets are comparing vs the 7600 and 4060 because those are the lowest price GPUs from the latest generation of AMD and Nvidia GPUs. That being said, I do think it misses the fact that both AMD and Nvidia are using previous generation products to fill in the "low end" when new GPUs launch. In the end there are a lot of correct ways to review GPUs, and that is why it is good to watch multiple reviews. But my thought process is "If some is buying a GPU with X budget, what is the best GPU available around X dollars?" Which is why I am focusing on comparisons against the 3050 and 6600, since they are the direct $200 GPU price competitors.
@@danielowentech I totally agree with lining up budgets. The extra $80 to get to $300 is spending more than 1/3 more money to go to the next step up. In higher categories that's like going from one tier to the next (such as 4070 Super to 4080 Super) which many people would say is an uneven comparison.
@@baronvonslambert aaand they cost a lot more. I'm thinking about absolute playability (720@30) with the least money possible considering the current standard (which are given by the consoles). Of course more money will give you a better experience
With an old (ie. 2020 or earlier) CPU I'd go with a Radeon since AMD's drivers probably have the lowest overhead versus both Nvidia and Intel. For something newer the B570/580 is a decent budget option though.
In UK as of time of writing, b570 retails for 249gbp and 4060 retails for 249gbp. Even with the prices that you listed, I see no reason to compare b570 to a new card that no one in their right mind should buy in 2025.
It's not. Go watch Gamers Nexus where they debunk this myth thoroughly using a 12400 and 5600X and a 9800X3D. The difference is negligible. The results are nearly identical, literally within 1 to 2 FPS in most games.
I got a water cooled 4090 and plan on getting the 5090, maybe I'll wait for a water cooled version again. But I'm still invested at the lower range and what's happening. I remember being a kid and saving up my summer job money for a mid range graphics card. That was 20 years ago when the high range was $300. It's crazy how much prices have skyrocketed. Hope you guys aren't priced out of pc gaming. Also, tax the rich. I got a $20k bonus, you know what I did with it? Bought a laptop was a small chunk, and the rest into savings because there's nothing I want to buy. I'm literally in the "I don't know what to do with all my money" stage and I only make $200k. There's people out there making $500k+ complaining about taxes. Never listen to those cry babies, tax the rich.
You realize you are comparing this new GPU with a 3050 which is below trash level, right? It is also 2 generations ago. Why not compare it to a RX 5000s while at it. Also, you used two different CPUs and RAM amount on your rigs, so all this can change the outcome of the comparo wildly.
I base my reviews on "if someone has X budget for a GPU, what is the best option?" So when a new $220 GPU launches, I don't compare it against $300 GPUs. I compare it against the competing GPUs available new for as close to $220 as possible. If someone had a $300 budget for a GPU, I would not consider the B570. I would compare it against competitors in that price range. I would absolutely love it if Nvidia launched a newer, faster GPU for $200. But currently the 3050 is their only option in the price class.
Its crazy that at this time, when you try to build a pc for ~800€ and want to target wqhd (sorry but full hd is just not it in 2025) there are games that you basically struggle to run at all. That said, back in the days we played with 30-60fps and it was fine. Still the tradeoff at 800€ is so bad, its almost a given to spend 50% more to have a good experience. Hope intels b570 changes that a little and ages well. While i understand why you target 1080p in a comparison like that, i would not buy a new gpu over 200€ today with that resolution in mind.
but, low end gpu market is more than 50% of the gpus revenew... i would say that matter a lot. even if the 5090 sell 10 times more units is not enough if they lose that low end market (i mean pear units ofc)
@@zyzU400Kgthe real issue is the low end market are the opposite of enthusiasts. They are more likely to buy nvidia just cause everyone says it’s the best despite nvidia only being a good option if you get a middle or high range card.
@@zyzU400KgNvidia does not care about that market for many years. No 4030 or 4050 desktop. No xx30 for 3xxx or 2xxx series either. Intel didn't care about low-end or budget until recently/ARC line.
@@tendosingh5682 im not saying nvidia will lose the low end market but that is the scenario "if" that happen. even me i would not drop nvidia to intel gpus only because some price drops. i still prefer nvidia for all other reasons we all know. its a good start for intel but its about it. its a long road for intel.
It's still in stock at MSRP shipped and sold by Newegg (copied from my community page post): B570 currently in stock at Newegg at MSRP: howl.link/zoo3x1emyvgtl
3050 was always a bad option. Waiting for a comparison against the rx 6600, which will probably be more comparable in terms of performance and might actually be cheaper (I've seen it for $180). As AMD doesn't have the driver issues or the necessity for Resizable Bar, there might not be a clear winner here.
console games are better tuned for 30 ish fps, when you play a pc game in the 30's pretty much every time it will feel worse than the console counterpart
I probably have a weird opinion on this one, but I think the new "low-end" for CPUs should be considered the 7600/X (they're the same price or close enough). It's one thing if you're upgrading an old system on a budget. But if you're building a new gaming PC, then anyone still recommending getting AM4 (or its Intel equivalent) in 2025 isn't doing you any favors. They're basically convincing you to buy a gaming console; as in, this is a piece of hardware with no meaningful upgrade path that you're going to have to completely replace if you want better performance. The 5700X3D is slower than a 7600X in all but a handful of games, and the 5800X3D is unobtainium at this point. And that doesn't even address that new games are more frequently heavily reliant on CPU to the point of seeing meaningful improvement in FPS at 1440p and even at 4K in some games. I would not recommend an AM4 platform to anyone buying new at this point, unless it was a little kid that literally only played Fortnite or Minecraft or something like that.
@@RonaldoxSiu The 7600 is the low-end of last generation of AMD processors. It was the low-end when it launched, and it's definitely the low-end now. Just because older technology still does the job doesn't mean it should be considered alongside the new stuff, especially when the old technology is missing a bunch of new technology that's standard now. The GTX 1660 and RTX 2060 were available in 2019, the launch year of the 3600. Why aren't we considering them the "low-end" for GPUs, instead of things like the 6600 or 3050? Sorry, but the 3600 isn't low-end, it should be considered dead. The 5600 is the absolute bare-minimum I would recommend to someone in 2025.
@@cajonesalt0191You literally admitted it "still does the job" so why isn't it considered the low-end? 7600 is the low end of LAST generation like you said, but overall it's not "low end", because there's many generations before that generation. so if you're fine with 1080p 60 fps and lowering a few settings, a 3600 and 2060 is fine
@@RonaldoxSiu "Just because it still does the job doesn't mean it should be considered alongside the new stuff" is the full statement when not cherry picked out of context. There are games currently out that will not get you 1080p at 60 FPS just by lowering a few settings with a 3600/2060 combo. You would need significant upscaling and possibly framegen. You're wrong. I'm not responding to you anymore, because you're clearly just arguing for the sake of trying to win an argument instead of improving anyone's understanding.
Nvidia basically doesn't compete anymore, amd wins almost everywhere apart from where arc wins or the 1000+ price point. The only reason Nvidia is still used is because of the marketshare/mindshare along with misconceptions about amd's drivers.
@ Not really. Only if they take advantage of cuda, which some things do like Blender, but a lot don’t. And some of those that have a small advantage on Nvidia will fall back because of their outrageous pricing compared to competitors (you can get a higher tier card from amd at most prices).
Edit to add: It has been in stock all day at MSRP at newegg: howl.link/zoo3x1emyvgtl. It may eventually go out of stock, but it was not a fake MSRP or paper launch with no supply (at least in the US).
Regarding CPU driver overhead: as mentioned in this video, I recommend watching reviews that had time to test lower end CPUs as well. Gamers Nexus saw almost no difference on a 12400 and ryzen 5600, while noting that they conjecture that more differences would show in games reaching extremely high FPS: ruclips.net/video/m9uK4D35FlM/видео.htmlsi=QlLhL2soDEyAwyAh. Hardware Unboxed also tested on an Ryzen 5600: ruclips.net/video/buJSNbVYxVA/видео.htmlsi=-RMyjlQ2Ly29WrXM and noticed several cases where that did reduce the performance of the B570, but it is important to note that overall it was just a several percentage point reduction to the average. So I would not expect that to make a massive difference in the comparison vs the RTX 3050 (which neither review outlet tested). My conclusion is that I stand by what I said at the end of this video which is that it is certainly something worth noting, especially on an extremely low end and/or old CPU, but that these issues mostly show up when reaching high framerates, which is often not what cards in this class are typically able to achieve. I am sure that some specific games may be more problematic than typical (but this tends to be the case with Arc in general- it is still generally less consistent in performance when compared to AMD and Nvidia across a wide variety of games). The most important issue (again as noted in this video) is making sure that your motherboard/CPU platform supports resize BAR. If it does not, then you should not consider Arc GPUs.
Yeah, it seems there's no shortage of voices trying to amplify the frame pacing GN and HUB were talking about, not to mention everyone has only been quoting scalper prices like that's never happened before but magically there's no chance prices will come down.
Literally _EVERY_ GPU launch we've seen over the last 4 years gets scalped for at least a month even if it's an _unwanted_ GPU. The PS5 Pro still has people trying to scalp it and there's actually an overstock of consoles because no one wants it at MSRP, let alone $1k. I'm sure prices will settle as hype dies down and new cards are announced from AMD and Nvidia.
Too many people are listening to a certain clown that's clearly on a personal crusade to bash and drag down Battlemage because every card sold exposes the worst leak he _broke_ in years. The whole charade has really made me reconsider his integrity.
in europe the RTX3050 is much cheaper than intel b570 so sadly nvidia is better here in europe [NVIDIA RTX3050:230,79€][intel B570: 365,46€]
A whole lot of unsold 8gb cards is what is holding up the ARC rollout is my bet. I doubt it has anything to do with production ramp. Retailers are sitting on gobs of unsold 8gb cards
I've had people telling me all day today that the B570 is $350, and I can't imagine where in the world they are looking to find such an outrageously priced version of the card. The closest I saw was a B570 on the UK Amazon page for $319 pounds, even the Canadian price is 'only' $287. I can literally find B580s on Newegg and Amazon and Central Computers for $259 or less, and everywhere I look shows me B570s for $219 to $230.
HU said it wasn't worth the price tag
3060 is only $20 cheaper than 4060 after 4 years of release is wild.
I’m sure the success of the 3060 is going to put pressure for a 12 GB 5060.
@@jmass4207smoking copium if you think ngreedia will give you more than 8gbs for under 500 bucks
And I bought one around 7 months ago (£265) to replace my 1070ti. No way was I "Upgrading" to a massively cut bus and staying on 8gb of VRAM with the 4060.
I play 1440p I need the VRAM and the bus. so the 3060 12GB was the cheapest upgrade to allow me to use DLSS and RT "stuffs"
the 4060 Is and WAS supposed to be the 4050.
the 5060 NEEDS 10GB minimum.
@@julmdamaslefttoe3559in before 5060 will be a 9GB card
...on a 96-BIT bus 😂
6000s went up (substantially) in price when 7000s came out in my country. I guess to make sure we paid for the overpriced 7000s. Can't wait for the same stuff this next gen...
i forgot you can play games without 4k raytracing and 500w power budget
I made a video on last epoch showing the impact of resolution and requirements on last epoch max details 120Hz VSYNC 2160p 500w@psu 1440p 400w@psu 1080p 250w@psu
resolution matters a lot but fps also do, that's why I keep talking about lossless scaling since I tried it last week, by locking fps to 60 (or less if you can't do stable 60) and using X2 scaling not only will you get a way smoother experience but instead of using 300w my gpu now uses 200w I gained 100w pretty much for free it's the revolution dlss and fsr aren't and it's 7$ not 2000$ when I see stable frametimes as here on the 1080p low of silent hill 2 I don't see 70fps anymore I see 60fps limited x2 lossless = 120fps
I mean first benchmark 1080p low and its running 40fps. Both are trash GPU's that shouldn't exists
@DuBstep115 Nothing runs FF XVI well or UE5 games in general
Budget and newer games are not a match. Budget GPUs will run like crap on all new games
That’s like saying you forgot browser games existed 😂
There are countless games that can be played even with integrated gpu
You are the only one comparing the B570 to a 3050. 👍
Everyone else is comparing it to 4060 and 7600.
For the B580 the comparison to 4060 and 7600 was fair.
For B570, the price point is more the 6600, 6650XT and 3060 12gb.
@@AndyViant 3060 12gb are still £250
Look at price. That is main category of comparition.
I understand why other review outlets would focus on the 4060 and 7600 since they are the lowest end current-gen options from AMD and Nvidia. However, I base my reviews on "if someone has X budget for a GPU, what is the best option?" So when a new $220 GPU launches, I don't compare it against $300 GPUs. I compare it against the competing GPUs available new for as close to $220 as possible. If someone had a $300 budget for a GPU, I would not consider the B570. I would compare it against competitors in that price range, and the closest competitor from Intel is the B580 not the B570.
@@julmdamaslefttoe3559 USD 200 equivalent used here. Which is the same price as new RX 6600.
Video has infinitely more chapters than GN and L1T's reviews did. Absolutely crushed them.
I miss EVGA GPU's too. :(
I dont think Nvidia cares at all about budget cards, they only have them to stay somewhat relavent in this specific market and there are always folks that know nothing about tech who buy Nvidia just because they are the more well-known company
Nvidia stopped making budget GPUs They make the newer 3050 6 GB because its 70 watts and powered by the PCIe slot for niche use cases
"219$ GPU" might be true for USA but here in Europe it's currently 281€ (while the b580 is at 316€) and it makes NO sense in the market. The B570 seems to perform 10% less than a 7600 sitting at 270$ isn't a good look for this card and things are not gonna get better when the competitors (mainly talking about AMD here) are gonna drop next gen low end gpus. Intel better adjust these prices otherwise it's not gonna sell well.
Edit: the only thing that makes this better than the rx 7600 while performing worse is the ML upscaling. I should also mention though that the RTX 4060 often sits at 291€, which both outperforms the b570 and gives the best upscaling possible with a mere 10€ difference. So really, the only advantage this card has over its competitors is the extra 2gb of vram.
I live in Iceland and GPU pricing is also very weird. I got an i7-13700 and a 3060 in June 2023 and they were at the same price of $450 (tax included)
Everything in tech gets a pretty high uplift in pricing here and that especially goes for GPU's
No surprises. The 3050 was crushed by the much cheaper 6600 years ago already.
Could we get another test with an older CPU? I feel like a b570 buyer would have like a r5 3600 and older and there’s been a clear Overhead issue present in Intel GPUs
more or so a r5 5600x
He most likely will. He knows that there is an overhead issue with older CPUs.
At 30fps-60 pfs on ultra the overhead is invisible... The CPU is less of a bottleneck.
Unless you prefer to play on los
it'll always beat a 3050
Check my pinned comment.
As long intel fix the CPU issues this B570 will be the budget GPU of 2025 1080p High to 1440p Low
The CPU issues are way overblown, checkout the Gamers Nexus video.
@@WimukthiBandaraFor budget gamers I agree. The i3 is good value and works just fine. I'm still skeptical of the higher performing chips.
@@WimukthiBandara gamers nexus test suite does not involve that much cpu demanding games, of course he would say its overblown based on his data. GPU's like this are bought by people on a tight budget who cant always afford a full platform upgrade, if it doesnt work with the budget cpu, this budget gpu is useless
As long intel do sell b570 for 220$or lower and not for 260$+
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FF16 doesn't look any better than DMC5 and yet it's around 10 times less performant
Yeah, they placed way too much focus on material and fabrics but the overall game is flat
It definitely looks better than DMC5.
Wake up.
@@DBTHEPLUG it doesnt
Probably because you play at a budget resolution with low settings. At a real resolution like 4k ultra settings the difference is huge.
@@Dempig Right, cause I play on 4K.
I can't tell you how excited I am for Intel to be relevant in any form of 1080p gaming. Having amd/Nvidia GPus for nearly 20 years and having another player in the market is incredibly exciting. I look forward to next 2-3 generations and hopefully see Intel GPUs compete in the RTX xx70 range. My 4060ti (don't judge, I got it for $300 with sale+employee discount) will very likely be replaced by Intel in 1-2 years if this keeps up. Thank you intel for putting more than 8gb in 1080p cards......
I don't think the RTX 3050 needed any crushing, it did that to itself the second it was released.
i am proud to say that I (wheatly) am also running from an arc card. I mean it's blue. And I'm blue.
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Dabadi dabadai
I have a blue house
With a blue window
Blue is the colour of all that I wear
Blue are the streets
And all the trees are too
I have a GPU and she is so blue
We all miss EVGA, much like 3DFX gone too soon
Everybody gangsta till you pair anything other than the latest gen CPUs with this card
7600 would be a great deal i think, i think for a new am5 pc which is future proof, its the perfect gpu
Gamers nexus did half the review with a 5600x and 12400, still a bit of a drop vs the 9800x3d but in most games it seems its not a problem on this card.
CPU overhead is overblown.
The overhead issue does hurt it as an upgrade option for some people (below a 12400 or 5600 type CPU), but for new builds it looks pretty strong. A 7500f or 7600 if ali express is not an option would do quite well and leave a solid upgrade path. Unfortunately motherboards are still disturbingly expensive and that hasn't changed much
Just grabbed my ADX tokens during the Adaxum presale. The future looks bright for this project!
pretty sure Nvidia doesn't even want to offer 300-400$ GPUs if they could, let alone 200$ 😂
The 3050 is like $150
i am completelly sure intel doesnt want to either, these gpus are sold at a loss
Now the problem is that everyone wants a B580 B570 so in Europe prices are nearly double MSRP...
the problem is it doesn't exist LMAO. no one wants it.
@@Zorro33313you're so wrong lol I can buy 3 right now. They're just... 290€ and 360€.
And I would have gotten one for the PC I built last month for a friend's sister, but the 6650XT was so much cheaper it didn't make any sense not to use it. I was lucky I did, too, because the CPU performance would have crippled it.
@@Anankin12 where is it 290€ ? Which country ?
@edouard9867 amazon Italy you can find a couple postings
@@edouard9867 There are multiple models at 279€ in germany.
Nice performance but I am not sure B570 makes sense against B580. 30$ differential and you have to give up 2GB of Vram when it's been such an issue lately. Maybe if they get it down to 180$ range it could have it's own identity now it's just under-powered B580.
Also note that you can’t buy these Intel GPUs at MSRP. They aren’t available. I tried to buy a B580.
Where are you trying to buy them? There's plenty of models available right now on Newegg, Best Buy, Amazon, and several other retailers at MSRP prices.
Microcenter had them at msrp last week. They also had a ton of 9800x3d at msrp
@ Microcenter doesn’t count. The B580 is essentially $400 online.
@ You guys seriously need to add the caveat that you're talking about non-USD prices, because that's not true for USD prices. I can get the B580 from numerous sources that aren't Microcenter, that are in stock right now at MSRP, including the most obvious places like Newegg or Amazon.
@@Hirome_Satou I am talking USD. That’s BS man. You cannot get them at anywhere near MSRP online. Not on Newegg or Amazon
Being compared with the rtx 3050 is not a flex lmao and seeing how b570 loses in some games makes it even worse.
Another great video, thanks! But I'd prefer if you included some older titles that Arc GPUs might struggle with and some DX11 titles as well
BMG-G21 edge die = B570
BMG-G21 good die = B580
I would say the ratio is around 10-15% to 85-90%
Intel should have selling these for 199$ for market share
I’m glad intel is giving more attention on the budget end of the gpu market, a segment that both amd and nvidia seemed to have largely abandoned. Not everyone has over a thousand dollars to spend on 4090s, 4080s, 7900xtx etc.
Cant wait for the 5090 vs the 4090 raster, dlss, raytracing benchmarks.
Have an Intel GPU. Been awesome. Gifted my brother one as well who games way more than me. Hasn't had an issue yet. Intel CPUs
in Croatia the B570 Challanger is only 20€ cheaper than B580 Challanger both from ASRock and they're both well over 300€.
ASRock B570 Challanger is 329,00€ while ASRock B580 Challanger is 350,00€ but the good news is they're both available.
edit: the 3050 8GB model is 236,00€ so I do believe it's got something to do with deliberate market dependent pricing from nVidia, intel and AMD.
I live in the UK, so Im always about 4-7hrs ahead of a lot of reviewers. I've been waiting for benchmark videos for ages (when I woke up I mean Its already 2pm here), and I'm excited
The problem with intel is the overhead "bug". No way you should need 7800x3d level cpu to get all performance out of a 200 dollar card
well hopefully they fix it by making budget cpus that also shred. Or, fixing the existing ones.
it only happens with AMD cheap CPUs not Intel
@@tin9759 that makes no sense. Imagine if AMDs GPUs worked worse on Intel than on AMD CPUs. Intel must fix the issue, specially if their CPUs are dog shit as they're being and everyone is getting AMD
It's only like this is cpu demanding games.
@@tin9759 Sounds unlikely, but I can't find anyone that has tested a low and high end intel CPU with this graphics card and compared the results.
The sheer volume of bot spam about crypto and comments from people about "CPU overhead" and about RX 6600 who clearly did not watch the first 30 seconds of the video is staggering lmao
Budget and Nvidia does not belong in the same sentence 😂
I have my boys turn on DLSS Quality on almost all of their games using their 1080p 165hz 24 inch monitors... the difference is barely noticeable compared to the performance boost. They are both running 3060s
Could you run this test with an am4 cpu ? Curious to see if the arc still wins
Ordered one these asrock ones for a white with black itx build I'm working on. Def for a brand new card and xess getting a lot better it seemed like a good idea. I've wanted to test one these cards out for a while now
It's absolutely heart breaking to see some clueless lad listing their 3050 on the marketplace just 2 weeks after they bought it brand new because they didn't know any better.
Haha, I think most of us have been there at some point, when I first got into PCs I bought a Geforce 2 MX coz I thought it was a better version of Geforce 2....it was not. 😆But that error only cost me £30 and it was a bloody good card for 30 quid! I'd have been gutted if I paid what a 50 class costs these days.
I'm biased but if I'm looking for any computer hardware benchmark testing I'm coming to Mr Owen channel first. Can't wait for his in depth benchmarks of new gen gpus with all of the different dlss versions and qualities
Another major benefit of the Ark B570 is the lower power draw for better performance.
Nvidia doesn’t care about the poors.
The only sad part about the Battlemage GPUs is that we can't get them in India. Been a month, yet there's no B580 listed anywhere. Makes no sense. Everything is available. Intel Arrow Lake CPUs are available. Why not this? Especially because that is a very big price segment here
Because it's very low amount being build. Keep in mind, this gpu cost the same to make as a 4070. They don't really want to sell alot of theese.
I love GPU comparisons based on budget! I think it really matters.
I don't think nvidia thinks they need a budget gpu option anymore.
amd apus ate that segment of the market with their new apus that can use 16gbs of shared ram
The latency and power usage are important. Also, can you overcook the b570?
The efficiency good for b580 20% to 30% less power usage to maximum of 50% more performances than 3050 is really good
Daniel, it might be beneficial to bin the percentage advantage by frame rate, in 30 fps ranges.
Show the percentage difference where the frame rates were 0 to 29, where frame rates were 30 to 59, and where frames rates were 60 and higher.
To your point, if the frame rate is "unplayable" it's still nice to see that the B570 out performs it's competition. But the results themselves at that low of an FPS could be ignored.
I had a thought that this would be ideal for younger people’s gpu. I guess they’d have plenty of reasons to go used whether it’s because they or their parents are savvy or their are getting a hand-me-down, etc.
But do you think it would be detrimental to include benchmarks for popular games high huge variation of fps depending on scenarios (tough to benchmark). Eg. minecraft, battle royales, other popular sandbox games.
I know a lot of users at this budget are playing such titles so I’m not sure if providing results with a disclaimer that the results may vary a lot would be beneficial or not.
Intel could actually become a leader in laptop gpus with this
Btw? You turn setting up to 1440 medium or high? That 8 gig card really falls on its face.
Nobody’s talking about that wattage difference though
shhh, inel is perfect, in every aspect, shhh!
btw, that was a joke
@@arch1107 uhhh, the intel board is drawing less power?
Will any of these actually be available for sale?
I really want to see comparisons to AMDs new flagship iGPU. I'm waiting to see if cheap budget GPUs like those would be irrelevant soon - that might shake up market a bit
5070 = 680 euros on spain 4070 = 570 euros ? 20% for 100 euros hell na, intel 250 euros gpu vs nvidia you need 350 for the same shit
I really hope Intel will become a good choice so people will buy it and we will have finally another competitor in the GPU world. We need this competition to have another push on Nvidia and AMD to choose the correct price targets accordingly. High-end will unfortunately stay the same but the low/midrange will be probably shaken.
I have a Ryzen 5 4600G and I'm not sure if the B570 will work fine or I'll be better waiting for the B380 (if Intel ever releases it)
I think youre wrong about one thing daniel,nvidia doesnt need a 200 dollar gpu,they cannot bother selling anything below 300 dollars,their mindshare is so insane that people will pay 200 for a 3050 thats maybe worth 120 at best.
So how does it perform with a lesser CPU, like the 5600 let's say? Because let's be honest, if the 9800X3D is used as a baseline and the card shows significant losses in performance using a more realistic CPU, due to driver overhead problems, then why would you test using the best in this specific case?
I ask because the 4060 aand 3050 both have identical performance using either a 5600 or 9800X3D. The B580 has upwards of a 50% difference depending, so what's the B570 going to have?
Also HUB just got done testing the 4060 vs B580 in 50 total games and it shows a wildly different picture.
Edit: *That came across as entirely too aggressive. I am grouchy in the mornings. Apologies.*
Hardware unboxed did the test. Its fine-
Is it drawing 70 watts?😮 and 80 watts in the other game?
no, it's the same issue as b580. not recording a lot of consumption. probably hovers round 140 watts
@@catfacecat. damn. You're right. OvO
Wish intel made a high end gpu since amd stopped
Unfortunately I don't think they can. With Battlemage they need a lot more die area to reach the same performance as a competing 4000 and presumably 5000 series NVIDIA card. The b580 already needs a die almost the size of a 4070 Ti while only delivering roughly 4060 performance.
If they wanted to compete with NIVIDA's high end cards with their current architecture they'd end up with prohibitively large and expensive chips with preposterous power consumption.
Really hoping they make some bigger leaps with Celestian but Battlemage sadly isn't there yet.
I think other outlets comparing against more expensive cards are building a bit of bias into their work. If the outlet already preaches that you should be way cheaper than Nvidia to even be considered, then they build in an unfair comparison lining up a $220 GPU from Intel against a $300+ GPU from Nvidia!
I understand why some review outlets are comparing vs the 7600 and 4060 because those are the lowest price GPUs from the latest generation of AMD and Nvidia GPUs. That being said, I do think it misses the fact that both AMD and Nvidia are using previous generation products to fill in the "low end" when new GPUs launch. In the end there are a lot of correct ways to review GPUs, and that is why it is good to watch multiple reviews. But my thought process is "If some is buying a GPU with X budget, what is the best GPU available around X dollars?" Which is why I am focusing on comparisons against the 3050 and 6600, since they are the direct $200 GPU price competitors.
@@danielowentech I totally agree with lining up budgets. The extra $80 to get to $300 is spending more than 1/3 more money to go to the next step up. In higher categories that's like going from one tier to the next (such as 4070 Super to 4080 Super) which many people would say is an uneven comparison.
B570 SFF will be amazing for the minis PC escene and without external energy!
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I really think you should start aiming for medium settings and/or 30 fps (like the consoles) when testing such lower end cards
@baronvonslambert the series s is more or less a 3050 8gb
@@baronvonslambert aaand they cost a lot more. I'm thinking about absolute playability (720@30) with the least money possible considering the current standard (which are given by the consoles). Of course more money will give you a better experience
_[buyer's remorse intensifies]_
Except that not that many who sell Intel Arc GPUs where I live lul
With an old (ie. 2020 or earlier) CPU I'd go with a Radeon since AMD's drivers probably have the lowest overhead versus both Nvidia and Intel. For something newer the B570/580 is a decent budget option though.
The overhead issue is very important for budget gamers.
This guy is the best reviewer on youtube
even with overhead the b570 crushes the 3050. Thats tough
In UK as of time of writing, b570 retails for 249gbp and 4060 retails for 249gbp. Even with the prices that you listed, I see no reason to compare b570 to a new card that no one in their right mind should buy in 2025.
intel cpu overhead is surely something massive, you go from faster than 4060/7600 to being slower
It's not. Go watch Gamers Nexus where they debunk this myth thoroughly using a 12400 and 5600X and a 9800X3D. The difference is negligible. The results are nearly identical, literally within 1 to 2 FPS in most games.
That is actually insane. It's more comparable to a 3060 or a 3060 ti instead without Ray Tracing. And only 70-80 Watts?
Unfortunately it doesn't report the full power consumption to software. Check other reviews who have tools to measure power with hardware.
I really hope we see a low-profile version of this card, it'd be perfect for SFF home theater builds
I got a water cooled 4090 and plan on getting the 5090, maybe I'll wait for a water cooled version again.
But I'm still invested at the lower range and what's happening. I remember being a kid and saving up my summer job money for a mid range graphics card. That was 20 years ago when the high range was $300. It's crazy how much prices have skyrocketed. Hope you guys aren't priced out of pc gaming.
Also, tax the rich. I got a $20k bonus, you know what I did with it? Bought a laptop was a small chunk, and the rest into savings because there's nothing I want to buy. I'm literally in the "I don't know what to do with all my money" stage and I only make $200k. There's people out there making $500k+ complaining about taxes. Never listen to those cry babies, tax the rich.
You realize you are comparing this new GPU with a 3050 which is below trash level, right? It is also 2 generations ago. Why not compare it to a RX 5000s while at it. Also, you used two different CPUs and RAM amount on your rigs, so all this can change the outcome of the comparo wildly.
I base my reviews on "if someone has X budget for a GPU, what is the best option?" So when a new $220 GPU launches, I don't compare it against $300 GPUs. I compare it against the competing GPUs available new for as close to $220 as possible. If someone had a $300 budget for a GPU, I would not consider the B570. I would compare it against competitors in that price range. I would absolutely love it if Nvidia launched a newer, faster GPU for $200. But currently the 3050 is their only option in the price class.
@@danielowentech In the real world this is a $300 card and you compare it to $180-$220 cards.
The 3050 is 3 years older and $50 cheaper? Why are we comparing these 2?
Arc a750 is also at 200$ its unfair for that legend
And it has below 80w power draw at 100% usage!!!
GPU power... thats just the Chip not the whole GPU.
Its crazy that at this time, when you try to build a pc for ~800€ and want to target wqhd (sorry but full hd is just not it in 2025) there are games that you basically struggle to run at all. That said, back in the days we played with 30-60fps and it was fine. Still the tradeoff at 800€ is so bad, its almost a given to spend 50% more to have a good experience. Hope intels b570 changes that a little and ages well.
While i understand why you target 1080p in a comparison like that, i would not buy a new gpu over 200€ today with that resolution in mind.
we ALL know that what truly matters is who is the performance king. it just gives way too big of an advantage
i remember good old days when these fps was reached by a 30€ card xD good old times good old times indeed
I don't think Nvidia gives a fuck when their single highest priced GPU can buy you 10 of Intel's current budget cards
but, low end gpu market is more than 50% of the gpus revenew... i would say that matter a lot.
even if the 5090 sell 10 times more units is not enough if they lose that low end market (i mean pear units ofc)
@@zyzU400Kgthe real issue is the low end market are the opposite of enthusiasts.
They are more likely to buy nvidia just cause everyone says it’s the best despite nvidia only being a good option if you get a middle or high range card.
@@zyzU400KgNvidia does not care about that market for many years. No 4030 or 4050 desktop. No xx30 for 3xxx or 2xxx series either. Intel didn't care about low-end or budget until recently/ARC line.
@@tendosingh5682 im not saying nvidia will lose the low end market but that is the scenario "if" that happen.
even me i would not drop nvidia to intel gpus only because some price drops. i still prefer nvidia for all other reasons we all know.
its a good start for intel but its about it. its a long road for intel.
As of this moment the scalpers on Newegg are selling B570 for 220-350 usd and B580 300-450.
Way over msrp.
It's still in stock at MSRP shipped and sold by Newegg (copied from my community page post): B570 currently in stock at Newegg at MSRP: howl.link/zoo3x1emyvgtl
Got into the Adaxum presale early. It feels great to be ahead of the curve on this one.
3050 was always a bad option. Waiting for a comparison against the rx 6600, which will probably be more comparable in terms of performance and might actually be cheaper (I've seen it for $180).
As AMD doesn't have the driver issues or the necessity for Resizable Bar, there might not be a clear winner here.
This is great and all but until the cpu overhead issue is fixed on Intel… eh…
The B570 B580 best GPUs to to come out in years
"37 fps average is unplayable."
"What?!" - PS4 and other console owners.
console games are better tuned for 30 ish fps, when you play a pc game in the 30's pretty much every time it will feel worse than the console counterpart
Wow, what is going on with RAM usage? It’s so inconsistent
I probably have a weird opinion on this one, but I think the new "low-end" for CPUs should be considered the 7600/X (they're the same price or close enough). It's one thing if you're upgrading an old system on a budget. But if you're building a new gaming PC, then anyone still recommending getting AM4 (or its Intel equivalent) in 2025 isn't doing you any favors. They're basically convincing you to buy a gaming console; as in, this is a piece of hardware with no meaningful upgrade path that you're going to have to completely replace if you want better performance. The 5700X3D is slower than a 7600X in all but a handful of games, and the 5800X3D is unobtainium at this point. And that doesn't even address that new games are more frequently heavily reliant on CPU to the point of seeing meaningful improvement in FPS at 1440p and even at 4K in some games. I would not recommend an AM4 platform to anyone buying new at this point, unless it was a little kid that literally only played Fortnite or Minecraft or something like that.
7600 is not low end, the 3600 is, and the 5600 is medium
@@RonaldoxSiu The 7600 is the low-end of last generation of AMD processors. It was the low-end when it launched, and it's definitely the low-end now. Just because older technology still does the job doesn't mean it should be considered alongside the new stuff, especially when the old technology is missing a bunch of new technology that's standard now. The GTX 1660 and RTX 2060 were available in 2019, the launch year of the 3600. Why aren't we considering them the "low-end" for GPUs, instead of things like the 6600 or 3050? Sorry, but the 3600 isn't low-end, it should be considered dead. The 5600 is the absolute bare-minimum I would recommend to someone in 2025.
@@cajonesalt0191You literally admitted it "still does the job" so why isn't it considered the low-end? 7600 is the low end of LAST generation like you said, but overall it's not "low end", because there's many generations before that generation. so if you're fine with 1080p 60 fps and lowering a few settings, a 3600 and 2060 is fine
@@RonaldoxSiu "Just because it still does the job doesn't mean it should be considered alongside the new stuff" is the full statement when not cherry picked out of context. There are games currently out that will not get you 1080p at 60 FPS just by lowering a few settings with a 3600/2060 combo. You would need significant upscaling and possibly framegen. You're wrong. I'm not responding to you anymore, because you're clearly just arguing for the sake of trying to win an argument instead of improving anyone's understanding.
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I doubt we will be able to buy one close to MSRP. Intel and it's customers are getting screwed. Thanks
intel is cooking we need a mid-high range arc card bad.
My 1050ti finally has worthy upgrade after all these years.
Didn't the 1660 Ti outperform the 3050?
Projects like Adaxum don’t come around often. Secured my ADX tokens before the presale sells out!
People mock 3050,4060 but in my country they are actually a great deal.
Nvidia basically doesn't compete anymore, amd wins almost everywhere apart from where arc wins or the 1000+ price point.
The only reason Nvidia is still used is because of the marketshare/mindshare along with misconceptions about amd's drivers.
Only in gaming. Everything else nvidia smashes.
@ Not really. Only if they take advantage of cuda, which some things do like Blender, but a lot don’t. And some of those that have a small advantage on Nvidia will fall back because of their outrageous pricing compared to competitors (you can get a higher tier card from amd at most prices).
Hey all, Adaxum is a project that’s flying under the radar now, but it won’t stay there for long. Locked in my tokens early!
it's not really budget GPU ,because you need to pair with upper tier CPU , not the budget kind of CPU ,it will hinder it's performance.