I sold my 4090 for the same price I bought it for. If you kept your 3090 you lost $800 and didn't get good performance the last 2 years. It's always smart to be the first in and the first out.
@@Velly2g Wrong of you to assume that I'd waste money in 3090... As I said "The more you skip, the more you save.." I've got Years of enjoyment just for $700 out of my 1080Ti. I will only consider upgrading If 9070XT comes in at $500 and performs as good as 4080. Otherwise I can comfortably survive on 1080Ti for another generation.
Same will be a 5090 purchase for me on Friday but depends on AIB card prices not happy with Nvidia constant 90°c temp for the VRM when AIB is about 70°c as they cool the vrm but I'm jumping from 2080 card so big ass uplift
@@0-B1 The AIB cards are going to come in around $600 - $800 more for their MSRP. The ASUS Astral is $2,800 MSRP, as an example (and that's not the liquid cooled variant). Given supply is drastically lower than the 4090 ever was. Don't expect to get anything at launch. Also, expect prices upwards of $4,000 plus on Ebay for the next year at a minimum (and don't be surprised if retailers scalp, too given I've seen Ebay pricing on the FE cards at up to $7500). The 5000 series has nothing gong for it if you aren't looking for a lower cost to professional options with ML/AI workloads. Get a nice used 4090. I've seen them as low as $800. I know I'm not spending 3K plus to replace my 4090 for a 12% to (best case scenario) 30% increase in performance.
The way the interface is built, it would have to be 32gig or 16 or 64, it's just the way it divides on this architecture. Which is why you don't have 12,6 or 24 gig.
Basically happened 2 years ago. The 5090 only really shows the +30 over the 4090 at 4K. These 1080p slides really make it look like much hasn’t changed.
@@TheAcadianGuy If you bought the 3090 at the GPU pandemic at $2800 then getting the 5090 at the same price is logical. And that's my case. I skipped the 4090 even though it was a big jump. But now it's time to upgrade and give the 3090 to my nephew for his 1440p gaming
The 3090 is a 350W card, the 5090 is a 550W card. The 3090 has 28000M transistors, the 5090 has 92200M transistors. Nothing overwhelming, it's just more powerful card and more power hungry. You get more fps, your room get hotter and your electricity bill get bigger too!
Lets be honest here. The vast majority of PC gamers could care less about power consumption. Let alone those looking at buying a 5090. Its just a nitpick. It the same as car guys complaining about MPG.
Nobody buying a 5090 is going to care that their electric bill is $5 more per month than usual. Nobody buying a 5090 is going to care about slightly extra heat, they probably have AC.
@@03chrisvThe RTX 3090s die size is 628mm². The RTX 5090s die size is 774mm². Even the RTX 2080tis die size is larger than the 3090 at 754mm². So try again.
I'll definitely do this video, but day one is likely going to be 5080 vs 4080 Super and I need to give some YT algorithm space for videos so may be a day or two later for 5080 vs 3080. I also want to do 5080 vs 4090 and 5080 vs 7900 XTX. As soon as I have side by sides edited (and the embargo lifts) I will upload them as extra content to the Member's feed even if I haven't filmed my whole voiceover analysis and graphs, etc.
@@danielowentech Could you give a bit more light to the 7800XT? I realise the craze right now is the 50 series, but realistically (at least for me) the 7800XT still seems like the best deal you can get for a graphics card. I kinda wish more tech youtubers focused on 1080p with no DLSS and no RT. That's what I want, 100fps at 1080p with none of that bullshit.
5080 vs 4080 Super is what I'm waiting for. Little concerned with the leaks but then again I might be picking one up anyway since I'm still running on a 2070 Super. Slowly buying parts for a new build, should have it done in March/April.
@@2012ArsenalMega There were definitely results without DLSS in the video, but I would also argue why, if DLSS4 with the transformer model in quality mode looks better and higher quality in every way vs raw? He's not Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed - he's showing side by side comparisons of what you can expect in real world usage, often at settings that most people would most likely want to play the game at...
Me too. Going to buy a new PC this year. My Alienware Aurora has been running without issues for 12.5 years now but it's time for something new. Going from a 1060 6GB to the 5070 Ti will probably blow me away 😂😂😂
For me the udpate for DLSS upscaling and RR is the highlight of new technologies, more than the MFG. Finally can play with Path Tracing without that stylized painting look.
@@danielowentech Yeah. For CP2077 I am using the Ultra+ mod that have a faster option that reduces ray bounce count. Boost to performance far outweighs the visual loss and can play at 4K DLSS performance with 4070ti.
@bilbobaggins8794 40 series doesn't actually have a bigger performance hit than the 50 series for both RR and upscaling btw. It's only the 30 & 20 series and specifically RR really, upscaling is just like 4% hit vs 7% hit on the 50 vs 30 series
Digital foundry tested it and it's basically only specifically the ray reconstruction of dlss 4 that has the major performance hit on the 30 and 20 series. The upscaling is literally only like a 4% hit on the 50 series vs a 7% hit on the 30 series. FYI the 40 series is actually within margin of error of the 50 series on both RR and upscaling lol
Yeah all 30 series should be able to trade in and get the same tier or possibly one tier lower for a modest upgrade at about 30% of the cards value for total cost.
Cmon, I am still using a 2060, playing competitive games with maxed graphics having 360+ FPS on a 1440p 360Hz monitor. The problem is the AAA games and POE2 lagging when I start spamming abilities. Me going to a 50 series will be a good upgrade)
My 4090 undervolted get 95 percent of the performance at 280 watts and no fan or coil whine noise. I already max out settings at 4k on most titles, so a 5090 for me just seems like overkill
yeah i haven’t found a game that I truly enjoy playing that doesn’t run 100FPS+ at 4K. Wukong and cyberpunk luckily don’t interest me in the slightest. i’ll upgrade my 4090 when a game I like doesn’t run well at 4K.
I got my 3090 a couple months back used for 480€. Its a blower style model which can be annoying at times hence I was thinking about getting the 5090 as I have a sff case that can barely fit it. However I instead got into undervolting and figured out I can run my 3090 at 712 mV achieving close to 1500 Mhz while keeping my fans at 2000 rpm which is about 1000 rpm quieter than bevore under full load. Running at 212 Watts with that level of performance and vram for that price made me fall in love with it again. Might get an 5090 in 2 years used for a good price tough :D Edit: In case anyone is wondering, I used the curve within msi afterburner (controle+f) and at the very left put the frequency for 700 mV up to 1400 after having the very right dot aligned there as well and confirmed after both were in place. Its magical.
Make sure you turn off 'monitor gpu power usage' in msi afterburner. There is a bug that causes stuttering. Undervolting is definitely the way to go with these cards.
i usually upgraded every 2 generations, but then the gaming industry just went to sht, not a single game i want to play that i cant, and thats just taken my motivation to upgrade away... and im still on a 8700k + 2070S @ 1440p loll
Here's how I look at the value equation. I have a 3090 now. My original plan when purchasing the 3090 was to puchase a 4090 when the 5090 was released. Because back then, I had no idea that Nvidia was going to limit the 4090 supply that they have. So, in reality, the 4090s today are going for between $2400 and $2500. If I can get a 5090 for the $2000 MSRP, then I am actually SAVING 17% purchasing the 5090 over the 4090. And yes, while the 3090 is a very good graphics card, I am one of the few that has gone all in on ray tracing since the beginning, I care very much about the path tracing, and want it very much. So, I am all in for the 5090 if I can get one.
I've got an EVGA 3090ftw3 brilliant card BTW, in a prebuilt PC bought in 2022,Corsair 220t rgb airflow mid case/ryzen 9 5950x I'm going to put a 5090 Auorus maste extreme the one with the built in display in it,if it fits make do with the 850w gold psu.Still haven't a clue about the price in glasgow UK Scotland where I'm at could be utterly utterly horrendous,that cheap old 3090 £1500 probs half the price.Could be £2500
It's strange to me but at what point will dlss make us go "eh looks good enough" and skyrockets a gpus life time in our rigs between upgrades. It's very impressive. I also wonder if this is a sign of year over year gains slowing down. Keep up the good work!
Maybe that's part of why Nvidia wants to make sure graphics tech keeps advancing like path tracing, and now neural rendering. Need to keep having a reason to upgrade lol. Not saying those developments don't also deliver cool experiences though.
If one should skip any generation it's this one. I thought I would upgrade from my 3080 to a 5080 but now I'm thinking about a used 4080 or 4090 instead. The only games I can't run decently are Path Traced ones and the 4090 is already good enough for that.
@@Dionyzos The 3080 has aged pretty poorly compared to other gens... I'm thinking that an upgrade to a 5080 might still offer the best bang for buck. I don't think this card will be powerful enough to really push pricing down for used 4090s (passed MSRP), especially considering the leaked availability over the next several months. And I also think that the used price of the 4080 will just fall in line with the price/perf of the 5080...
A used 4080 super in the UK is still £900-£1000 so it is still worth it in the UK to get a 5080 especially since a 4090 is also still £1600. My plan has also turned to try and get a 5080 (since i also currently have a 3080 10gb) and if I fail wait a week and buy a 4080 super if they manage to drop
To answer your question about the type of person upgrading to a 5090, I think its worth considering that this cohort will also include 3080 owners like myself, since the 3080 and 3090 were so close in performance terms. There’s a tendency to assume that everyone who buys a xx90 card ONLY buys xx90 cards and ALWAYS upgrades each generation, or that anyone buying a xx80 card does so because the xx90 card is outside their budget, but that’s not necessarily true. I bought a 3080 over a 3090 because the marginal gains to performance were minimal but the 3090 was twice the price. Even if I wasn’t particularly price sensitive, the performance of the 3090 didn’t warrant the markup. This has reversed in the 4000 and 5000 generations, where the 4090 and 5090 have roughly 2x the Cuda cores of the 4080/5080 at twice the price. While potential customers for xx90 cards are less price-sensitive than those shopping for lower-end cards, that doesn’t imply these customers don’t care about price/performance, it just means that the price side of the price/performance equation is not a limiting factor. The 5090 is a great upgrade from my 3080 (between 2x to 3x the performance, 3x the VRAM).
@@Thundermonk99 I get what you are saying, and I would say it was the right decision to make at the launch of the 3080 without the aid of a crystal ball to tell you the future. I would say that the difference now is if you have a 3080, the need to upgrade to something new is probably a necessity at some point this gen, whereas, if you had a 3090, you could easily hold off another gen for better performance improvement or better price/perf - 5090 now vs maybe 6080 down the road...
I feel another variable you can control for is display. Most people with a 3090 fall into 3 categories: either have a 4K monitor that 1.can or 2.can’t take advantage of the higher frames with a 5090, or they’re 3090 owner is 3. using 1440p/1080p display looking to upgrade both.
My prebuilt PC I got in 2022 has an EVGA 3090 ftw3/ryzen 9 5950x great system.I use an LG65C1as my monitor, however I'd love the 5090 Auorus Master with the built in display.
I moved my 3090 to the living room TV. Even after lowering some settings, from the couch, it still runs circles around modern consoles so it's good enough for me
It's better to go for a used 4090, since it's the one that gives most of the performance uplift in these two generations. It's also a lot cheaper when buying used. Just bought one for 1600€ and it's fantastic.
The main reason I’m going to attempt getting a 5090FE card is so I can make a future proof computer. Given what it’s capable of and the amount of Vram it should be good for atleast 10+years unless game developers decide they want to leave behind the console players which I don’t see happening since “next generation” games and “Zero Loading screens” was promised when the series X launched years ago and there isn’t a game out that actually accomplished that💀 When you’re comparing these GPUs especially in 1080P and 1440P, the 5090 is being bottlenecked by the CPU so when the next generation of CPUs launch you should expect that gap to grow right?🤷♂️
That depends a lot on how much the CPUs improve next generation. Look at Intel with 13900K vs 14900K: Gamer’s Nexus was seeing about 3% improvement at 1080P in Phantom Liberty. On the other hand the 12900K to 13900K saw an 11% improvement in the same benchmark. Averaging between the two we are seeing a mean improvement of 7% per generation. So I’d say it’s likely going to take at least two generations before we see the CPU speed improvements really widen the gap.
@MrAnimescrazy Have no doubt about it ,my concern is that 5090 being the same node as 4090 is basically overpowered 4090 Ti. Space heater with unprecedented power draw which comes very close to the limits of 12+4 pin power cable.
@@staskozak8118it’s true that it makes it look better, but paying 2x-3x more on a computer to get a slight visual upgrade with rt is not worth it to 99% of people. I think this is the point he’s making.
@@staskozak8118 because he has radeon gpu that cannot do path tr with decent fps (7900xtx in PT cyberpunk has 14fps while 4090 has 60 fps)...... rtx4090 with qhd with dlss Q = 60fps = will be more than enough to play just read between the lines lol
There's definitely some merit to that argument. I feel like I want a PT capable card but I also feel like an idiot that I can't simply enjoy a game without it. I've not finished Cyberpunk, Alan Wake and Indiana Jones yet because I feel the need to enable it. I almost feel ashamed to admit it lol. Nvidia really knows how to make a desirable product, that's for sure.
In many games RT is useless but whenever there is RTGI... that;s when it's worth it. It can tremendously change visuals and PT in Cyberpunk is the best example to date.
"you don't have to use the full RT mode to enjoy" - I think you're underestimating the hypnotic effect that path tracing has on increasing immersion; that being said, the 5090 opens the door for RT in VR - this is not talked about enough
upgrading from 4090 to 5090 is bad deal. if you have any other card, its an "okay" jump in performance. 4080 to 5090 is about 50%-80% jump for example and 3090 to 5090 is like +100%.. but then again, people with 4090 probably have money in the first place so its no big deal for them, especially if they sell the 4090 to make up the difference.
Or you have people smart with money and don't blow money 24/7 i make less then 20k a year and struggle day to day but guess what?. I have been saving for 5 years I have 3500 ready for a 5090 after 5 years each paycheck I make I put 25 dollars in a jar which yields 100 a month which puts me to 1200 dollars a year for 5 years after that time frame I had 6000 my pc is full up to date I spent 2500 building my pc ( cost alot cause i had a custom case built aswell) so far and 3500 left for the gpu
0:10 me with my 1080ti they should set a power limit and see if they can make cards faster in that same power envelope. Getting them to run faster by jamming more power into the card isn’t impressive
I paid for my watercooled 3090 800€ with a waterblock also, i play on ultrawide resolution 3800x1600 - and I dont want to pay 2.800€ in Europe for double the performance without waterblock. Total 5090 for me is 3.000€ and finally that is 3x price for my 3090 - that is big NO NO for me
I handy down my gpu to my son, If i didn't, i would probably skip this generation too. A 100% uplift is freaking amazing, yet I still feel like 5090 is a bust. I do have a 240hz oled, so at least I get more out of my monitor, too.
Using the 3090 with an under volt + overclock and lossless scaling 3 with 3x frame gen. Cyberpunk with everything maxed out including path tracing and transformer model. Using DLSS on Balanced on 1440p. Getting 120+ fps, the game looks great despite some slight artifacting and for that package, a GPU running at 300w tops and 70c (water cooled on low speed fans. Definitely no reason for me to upgrade before the 60 series at the earliest.
Now imagine that the same difference will be in 2030 between the RTX 5090 and 7090.... And the games will be in worse condition and will look the same as today. Maybe worse... When I consider that basically since 2020 those games have not moved anywhere graphically, I wonder why those games are still so demanding.. Most games should be handled by the RTX 2080(Ti) at the RTX 4080 level according to the graphics processing... But if the games were not artificially more demanding, the graphics cards would obviously not sell. The Division 2 / Metro Exodus / Battlefield 5 / Crysis 3... You can play games on ultra and they look better than today's games and in native resolution they run at the same FPS as today's games with RTX 4080 + DLSS.
Daniel, I would also argue that many actual 3090 buyers paid for their GPU (and in some case might have also made enough extra to pay for their 5090 upgrade) by mining bitcoin in their off hours.
I did this. When I bought it, mining was super lucrative and it paid itself off really quickly. By the time mining was no longer lucrative, I had gotten my money back on the GPU and then made another ~$2-3k off it.
Bro what a waste of money that upgrade aint worth it plus new games are trash or have shitty ports even with the money i would invest somewhere else tbh
I usually upgrade the GPU every 2 Generations, I went from a R9 280X to a 1070 then to a 3070Ti, I will probably upgrade this Gen after the 9070XT and 5070Ti come out. Interesting Video Daniel.
People used to upgrade every 5 YEARS not every 5 months xD. It's a good video to make a comparison between two generations and then calculate the cost per frame compared to the previosu generation -> has it improved. You can then put it on a line (or scatter) chart for different resolution between two different GPUs or compare the cost per frame per tier per resolution. Gives you a much more clarified look at the trend of these GPUs
I appreciate the comparison. I'm still rocking my 3090, and still very happy with its performance for my 3840x1600 res monitor. I don't run RT in games, and drop the graphics settings with a mix of high/med. At worst, I'm getting 90fps in some of the more demanding titles. I still have an enjoyable gaming experience. I was considering the 5080/90 as my next upgrade. Maybe when the 5080 Super arrives, I'll take a look again. The power demands of the 5090 are very off-putting.
The reality is most people play on 60 class cards and equivalent less than 5% of gamers are on 80 or 90 class of cards 1060-4060 are where 90% of us are
Please do comparisons for 3080 vs 5080 when the embargo lifts for that too. Totally agree with you about upgrading every 2 generations. Its pretty clear that 40 to 50 series isn't much of an upgrade, its more for people on older generations who have been waiting.
Great comparison and value analysis. The only additional consideration I’d look at would be the used pricing for the 3090. I got my 3090 for closer to 850 used and Best Value GPU now shows them as low as 720. At 720 used the MSRP of the 5090 is 2.78x of the lowest price you can get a used 3090.
I upgrade every 2 generations, went from a 2060 super to a 7900 GRE last year, and this new generation (from any brand), doesn't bring anything that make feel enthusiastic about it. I'll wait for the next generation and see if the performance and power consumption are better.
I have a 3090 and play all games at 4K, and while the 3090 is certainly capable, it's not 'ultra-everything 4K and get 120+ fps'. I am looking forward to upgrading to the 5090 because it seems like a proper 'set everything to ultra and forget about it.'
I would use DLDSR to supersample with an Ai pass at 4K to a 1440p 240hz display. This is the best way to use a 5090 without 4K native display. You can combine with DLSS to get back performance lost to 4K and get the best image quality/performance and the option to disable anti-aliasing because you won’t need it anymore which adds more headroom.
I’m looking forward to your analysis of Frame Warp, as I’ll be very curious to see how well it works and how far it can go towards ameliorating the latency problem with frame gen. I have a 4090 and have played around with frame gen but always end up turning it off due to a combination of not liking how it looks along with latency, but I’m curious to see how much it will improve with DLSS 4 and frame warp.
I just upgraded to a 9800x3D, MSI X670E, MAG Tomahawk 32GB DDR5 CL32@6200 1:1 (until the new CL26 6000 release) from a 5800x, 32GB DDR4 3600 but kept my EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra... But even after upgrading from the 5800x playing 1440p and 4K Max settings on most of my games I hardly saw a difference in fps between both CPUs and the same 3090, figured my GPU was bottlenecking the 9800x3D and I've been looking for a video like this to see if it's worth upgrading for my 3090 to a 5090, 5090 expensive but I like the big difference.... Nice video 👌🏼
Thank you so much!! Very informative video. I would be curious to see a side by side on reducing the quality of the game until its frame rate matches the 5090. I bet the game doesn’t look That much different.
Thx a lot Daniel for this comparison. This is exactly the boat I am in with my 3090. However, I have one niche use case that almost no one covers: PC VR. I use a big screen beyond and play mainly sims like MSFS, Elite Dangerous, DCS, IL-2 sturmovik, racing sims, heavily modded mechwarrior 5: mercs. While it looks like I may get about a 100% performance uplift in rasterization only (most relevant to VR), I am still not convinced it is worth it😄. Thanks a lot for this video!
Is it possible to do a 3080 to 5090 ? Or when the 5080 releases do a 3080 vs 5080 vs 5090 ? Most 30 series owners including me are considering 5080 or even 5090 as it’s been 4+ years that we own it and need more performance, thanks!
As always, great video. A video recommendation: CPU bottleneck on 5090 comparison of intel 14900k, 13900k, 7800x3d, 9800x3d and maybe 5800x3d on 1440p and 4k. Just for sites like userbenchmark or some people that say CPU doesn't matter in 4k etc, I think now is the best time with 5090 GPU.
For me with a 3080ti with 1440P gaming, the only reason to upgrade would be for the FE 2-slot cooling solution to go into an ITX SFF build and even then, I'd go for the 5080 as £2k is just insane.
I'm debating how my upgrade path will look. Just need to wait for the 9070xtx reviews and I will have my decision as to the best bang for the buck upgrade from my EVGA 3080 FTW3 card at 2k resolutions. Will it be a 5080 or a 9070xtx or even a 5070ti?
Although benchmarks are already out there, i still think it's interesting to mention that the 3090 is extremely close to the 4070 super, like within 1-8%. Interesting to eyeball performance that way.
I went from the 2080 ti to the 4080 super and the difference was unbelievable. The 2080 ti was amazing but I couldn’t get the frames and graphics like I do on the 4080.
This is my situation so thanks for covering this. Only have a 3090 as it was cheaper than a 3080, and for my situation upgrading to a 9800x3d has made a huge difference to MSFS 2020 and 2024. If I can get one a msrp, god knows what that will be in Germany I might get one.
I'm waiting for the 5070 Ti now after seeing what DLSS 4 can do even for the older 30 series! I'm finally going to switch over to team green after experiencing seriously bad driver crashes on the AMD 6700 XT from past few years
Happy to see this comparison. As someone looking to go from a 3090 to a 5090 this was very useful. All too many reviewers are comparing the 5090 to the previous generation, ignoring the fact that most people - even people with larger budgets - don't bother to upgrade every generation. Reviews on this card have been mixed, but the performance uplift and value of the 5090 looks far more compelling given that bit of real-world context and that doesn't seem to be getting a lot of consideration. Another thing I'd like to see reviewers touch on is the potential for 5K gaming to take off with this generation, esp. for graphically-intense single-player games. 5K is kind of old hat for Mac users (when not gaming) like myself, but once you go 5K even 4K is hard to go back to. There seems to be a recent surge of interest in 5K on the PC side of things, though, and the potential for 5K gaming on these cards (even if it means "only" ~60 fps) is worth talking about, IMHO. Maybe even worth a dedicated video.
Can you compare the old version of Cyberpunk with the new one in native 4k resolution? I looked at some of the reviews on new video cards and it seems that after the latest updates, cyberpunk, even in native 4k resolution, is very blurry. And this does not make it possible to adequately compare the anti-aliasing quality of new video cards. Maybe I'm paranoid, of course, but I think it's a conspiracy.
In the real world I'm using a 2070 on 1080p and still having fun. Each to their own I'm 48 and can remember when a PS1 blew me away. The younger generation dont know what games used to be like.
I’m in the market for a 5090. I had a 3070 with a 5600X and Cyberpunk was great at 1080P with ray tracing… I’m not a big gamer, so 30 FPS didn’t bother me… and then I bought a 1440 Ultra Wide for work and music reasons, and the 3070 couldn’t handle the resolution for Cyberpunk. For all the other games I play a 3070 was better than fine. I didn’t want to overspend on a 4090, so I ended up getting a 4070 TI Super a couple months ago, but a 4070 TI Super, while a good card, just couldn’t do Cyberpunk ray tracing on a 1440 Ultra Wide without DLSS. And then the 9800X3D came out and I decided to just go all in. I’ve never had a top of the line PC before. I work in IT. I make IT money. Far from rich, but I certainly have no complaints. I can afford a 9800X3D with a 5090… or I thought I could… until NVidia released the price for the 5090. And then I regretted not getting the 4090, but they’re no longer available… and I’ll never see a 5090 FE card, I’ll get a partner’s card… And then MSI and ASUS released their prices and my jaw hits the floor… And then the Canadian dollar is going down the toilet. Before our government folded, the economy was already bad… but then all of a sudden we’re in the damn news, and the Canadian dollar falls through the floor, and now the video cards are going to cost another couple hundred dollars. Clearly someone doesn’t want me to buy a 5090.
Thanks for the video. I have a 3080 Ti (basically a 3090 with 12gb vram) and I play with a 4k TV 43" 60hz with less gpu demanding games, turn on dlss when needed, or switch to a 1080p 24" 165hz gsync monitor when I want more fps. I won't upgrade to the 5090 for now, it's too expensive.
For the 90/titan variant buyers of any GPU generation, it's simple-just get it. No one buys the 90s for "VERY GOOD performance"; they buy them for "THE FASTEST GPU ON EARTH." So, there you go-just buy it.
I have a 240hz oled 1440p ultrawide with a 9800x3d and 3080ti. People kept telling me the 5090 wouldn’t be worth it to me. 200-300% uplift seems worth it to me
I would not ever think about paying this much money when I would come from the 4090 indeed. The price tag so soon after and the uplift you are getting does not compute. Now the fact is that I come from the 3090 on AM4 with the 5950. I’m building a complete new system with the 9800x3d and this will for sure bring me a lot. I agree with your statements about most of the games are perfectly fine on the 3090. Thing is, I’m a VR player and then every frame counts for a lot I can asure you. Regarding the price, yeah, its still a lot. The 3090 costed me also 2500Euros back in the days though…. Sooooo :) I’m going for it :)
Please do comparison of the dlss on 3090 and 5090. apparently its a great, allowing 3090 owners to now use balanced mode get more fps and have quality mode quality.
Your right Dan. Ideal is upgrade every other generation. If you love the latest, do it ever generation. I have wasted a lot of money upgrading every generation thinking it will solve all my problems
The more you skip, the more you save.. 🧐🍷
I sold my 4090 for the same price I bought it for. If you kept your 3090 you lost $800 and didn't get good performance the last 2 years. It's always smart to be the first in and the first out.
@@Velly2g Wrong of you to assume that I'd waste money in 3090... As I said "The more you skip, the more you save.." I've got Years of enjoyment just for $700 out of my 1080Ti. I will only consider upgrading If 9070XT comes in at $500 and performs as good as 4080. Otherwise I can comfortably survive on 1080Ti for another generation.
not with these prices
based. and I just got a 3090 on the cheap lol
@@DanielBerthellemy I would wager with that performance its going to cost more like $600
Upgrade every 2 generations, yeah that is what I USED to do, up till the GTX1080Ti. Then we got the crypto craze, the coof, the scalpers...
Same will be a 5090 purchase for me on Friday but depends on AIB card prices not happy with Nvidia constant 90°c temp for the VRM when AIB is about 70°c as they cool the vrm but I'm jumping from 2080 card so big ass uplift
I believe that Nvidia learned how to over to charge from what the Salpers got away with.
@@0-B1 The AIB cards are going to come in around $600 - $800 more for their MSRP. The ASUS Astral is $2,800 MSRP, as an example (and that's not the liquid cooled variant). Given supply is drastically lower than the 4090 ever was. Don't expect to get anything at launch. Also, expect prices upwards of $4,000 plus on Ebay for the next year at a minimum (and don't be surprised if retailers scalp, too given I've seen Ebay pricing on the FE cards at up to $7500). The 5000 series has nothing gong for it if you aren't looking for a lower cost to professional options with ML/AI workloads. Get a nice used 4090. I've seen them as low as $800.
I know I'm not spending 3K plus to replace my 4090 for a 12% to (best case scenario) 30% increase in performance.
@@Squiggly667 Where have you seen 4090s for $800? Who would be stupid enough to sell a working 4090 at that price? Insane!
Still using GTX 1070 Ti
If Nvidia releases a 5080 super with 24gb vram, that would make more sense. That 5090 power draw and 32 GB vram is just not worth it.
I’m glad you’re so uninformed.
@@ZackSNetwork nah he's right, for a gamer it's not worth. Only AI enthusiasts and wealthy people should consider the 5090
I'd live the 5090 Auorus Master with the built in display,unfilterd I've only got an evga 3090 great gpu,but still
@@deamooz9810 not just ai, any form of GPU based productivity (3d etc) the 5090 is an actual god tier card because you dont have to buy a quadro
The way the interface is built, it would have to be 32gig or 16 or 64, it's just the way it divides on this architecture. Which is why you don't have 12,6 or 24 gig.
Now that's a true " double the performance "
Not worth the 2000+$, though
Basically happened 2 years ago. The 5090 only really shows the +30 over the 4090 at 4K. These 1080p slides really make it look like much hasn’t changed.
@@TheAcadianGuy lol as if 3090 was a cheap card
@@TheAcadianGuy If you bought the 3090 at the GPU pandemic at $2800 then getting the 5090 at the same price is logical. And that's my case. I skipped the 4090 even though it was a big jump. But now it's time to upgrade and give the 3090 to my nephew for his 1440p gaming
@@christiando Useless? It is better also in 1440p gaming than 4090.
The 3090 is a 350W card, the 5090 is a 550W card.
The 3090 has 28000M transistors, the 5090 has 92200M transistors.
Nothing overwhelming, it's just more powerful card and more power hungry. You get more fps, your room get hotter and your electricity bill get bigger too!
Lets be honest here. The vast majority of PC gamers could care less about power consumption. Let alone those looking at buying a 5090. Its just a nitpick. It the same as car guys complaining about MPG.
Nobody buying a 5090 is going to care that their electric bill is $5 more per month than usual. Nobody buying a 5090 is going to care about slightly extra heat, they probably have AC.
Exactly. Hard to be impressed they just made the chip bigger and draw more power. They could have done that with the 3000 series
@codycast No, the 3090's die is massive. There was no way to make it bigger.
@@03chrisvThe RTX 3090s die size is 628mm². The RTX 5090s die size is 774mm². Even the RTX 2080tis die size is larger than the 3090 at 754mm². So try again.
I'm so excited that the 5090 is finally out because now I can afford a 3090 and got one yesterday lol
@@aaz1992 how much did you pay?
Same :)
@@Dorumin Terrible decisions.
@shortyorc121 Can’t speak for the OP but I got mine used in 2023 for closer to 850 and I’m seeing them now used as low as 720.
@@RobertZ1973 Cheapest 24gb of vram I could've ever gotten - without paying a dime to a crypto emptying inventory
I hope theres plans for the 3080 vs 5080 once the embargo for that card is over!
I'll definitely do this video, but day one is likely going to be 5080 vs 4080 Super and I need to give some YT algorithm space for videos so may be a day or two later for 5080 vs 3080. I also want to do 5080 vs 4090 and 5080 vs 7900 XTX. As soon as I have side by sides edited (and the embargo lifts) I will upload them as extra content to the Member's feed even if I haven't filmed my whole voiceover analysis and graphs, etc.
msrp mdoels started at 1199$ (founders 999$) so gonna be more expensive.
For sure. There are a lot of 3080 users out there who are looking to upgrade.
@@danielowentech Could you give a bit more light to the 7800XT? I realise the craze right now is the 50 series, but realistically (at least for me) the 7800XT still seems like the best deal you can get for a graphics card. I kinda wish more tech youtubers focused on 1080p with no DLSS and no RT. That's what I want, 100fps at 1080p with none of that bullshit.
5080 vs 4080 Super is what I'm waiting for. Little concerned with the leaks but then again I might be picking one up anyway since I'm still running on a 2070 Super. Slowly buying parts for a new build, should have it done in March/April.
Wow, I have actually been annoyed how most videos didn't compare results to the 3090 (the card I have now).
@@thames21 Daniel knows how to do it right!
@@johndelabretonne2373 One of the few channels I've been able to count on over the years!
Yeah but where is raw performance comparison with DLSS off? Or am I missing something?
@@2012ArsenalMega There were definitely results without DLSS in the video, but I would also argue why, if DLSS4 with the transformer model in quality mode looks better and higher quality in every way vs raw? He's not Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed - he's showing side by side comparisons of what you can expect in real world usage, often at settings that most people would most likely want to play the game at...
@@2012ArsenalMegait's the first one in all the comparisons.
Idk man the 5090 isn't for me. I'm waiting for the 5070ti. Yes I'm not rich so the 5070ti is a better value in my opinion.
That seems like a solid choice.
With DLSS and FG. You should be able to run anything at 4k. Happy they made it come with 16GB instead of 12
Just buy 4080s for the price of 5070ti
What gpu are you upgrading from? Anything 4070ti Super and up isn't worth it.
The 5080 is the best option but only because the 4090 and 5090 will be over MSRP FOREVER BECAUSE OF AI
Me too. Going to buy a new PC this year. My Alienware Aurora has been running without issues for 12.5 years now but it's time for something new. Going from a 1060 6GB to the 5070 Ti will probably blow me away 😂😂😂
For me the udpate for DLSS upscaling and RR is the highlight of new technologies, more than the MFG. Finally can play with Path Tracing without that stylized painting look.
And it's nice the older generations support it (even if it can have a bigger performance hit)
@@danielowentech Yeah. For CP2077 I am using the Ultra+ mod that have a faster option that reduces ray bounce count. Boost to performance far outweighs the visual loss and can play at 4K DLSS performance with 4070ti.
Yes! My 3060ti is very happy with the new DLSS update!
@bilbobaggins8794 40 series doesn't actually have a bigger performance hit than the 50 series for both RR and upscaling btw.
It's only the 30 & 20 series and specifically RR really, upscaling is just like 4% hit vs 7% hit on the 50 vs 30 series
@ Agreed. I have watched DF's video on it and perf loss on older gen cards is around %35 for RR but only %8 for upscaler.
Digital foundry tested it and it's basically only specifically the ray reconstruction of dlss 4 that has the major performance hit on the 30 and 20 series.
The upscaling is literally only like a 4% hit on the 50 series vs a 7% hit on the 30 series. FYI the 40 series is actually within margin of error of the 50 series on both RR and upscaling lol
@@Frozoken This is exactly what I wanted to know... Thank you for the TLDR!
@johndelabretonne2373 no problem bro
So around 5% hit for the 40 series?
yup 4-5% for both the 40 & 50 series
Lol meanwhile Nvidia years ago...."the 30 series isn't powerful enough for DLSS3". Crooks!
I will go from 3070ti to a 5070 ti . I think its a good upgrade.
Yeah all 30 series should be able to trade in and get the same tier or possibly one tier lower for a modest upgrade at about 30% of the cards value for total cost.
Agreed. I have a 3070ti and the vram limitation is horrible. A 5070ti should remedy that fully.
Even 4070 Ti is about 45% faster than 3070 Ti. 5070 Ti will provide you with +70-80% uplift (and even more in VRAM limited scenarios).
that must be an very good upgrade way doubling your vram and doubling your frame rate is great boosts also it has FG times 4x
Cmon, I am still using a 2060, playing competitive games with maxed graphics having 360+ FPS on a 1440p 360Hz monitor. The problem is the AAA games and POE2 lagging when I start spamming abilities. Me going to a 50 series will be a good upgrade)
My 4090 undervolted get 95 percent of the performance at 280 watts and no fan or coil whine noise. I already max out settings at 4k on most titles, so a 5090 for me just seems like overkill
yeah i haven’t found a game that I truly enjoy playing that doesn’t run 100FPS+ at 4K. Wukong and cyberpunk luckily don’t interest me in the slightest.
i’ll upgrade my 4090 when a game I like doesn’t run well at 4K.
I got my 3090 a couple months back used for 480€. Its a blower style model which can be annoying at times hence I was thinking about getting the 5090 as I have a sff case that can barely fit it.
However I instead got into undervolting and figured out I can run my 3090 at 712 mV achieving close to 1500 Mhz while keeping my fans at 2000 rpm which is about 1000 rpm quieter than bevore under full load. Running at 212 Watts with that level of performance and vram for that price made me fall in love with it again. Might get an 5090 in 2 years used for a good price tough :D
Edit: In case anyone is wondering, I used the curve within msi afterburner (controle+f) and at the very left put the frequency for 700 mV up to 1400 after having the very right dot aligned there as well and confirmed after both were in place. Its magical.
Make sure you turn off 'monitor gpu power usage' in msi afterburner. There is a bug that causes stuttering. Undervolting is definitely the way to go with these cards.
Whats the point on having a 3090 and running as a rock?
i usually upgraded every 2 generations, but then the gaming industry just went to sht, not a single game i want to play that i cant, and thats just taken my motivation to upgrade away... and im still on a 8700k + 2070S @ 1440p loll
The more you wait the more money you save lol
@@xmainsoulx facts man, especially with upgrades becoming more "feature" dependent instead of raw GPU power dependent
im the opposite so many games that i want to play and i can play them but want to experience them the best way possible
2070 Super is still good. I just got a 3090 though and it's amazing
The good games are all the old games and let me tell you, your PC can handle all of those
Here's how I look at the value equation. I have a 3090 now. My original plan when purchasing the 3090 was to puchase a 4090 when the 5090 was released. Because back then, I had no idea that Nvidia was going to limit the 4090 supply that they have. So, in reality, the 4090s today are going for between $2400 and $2500. If I can get a 5090 for the $2000 MSRP, then I am actually SAVING 17% purchasing the 5090 over the 4090. And yes, while the 3090 is a very good graphics card, I am one of the few that has gone all in on ray tracing since the beginning, I care very much about the path tracing, and want it very much. So, I am all in for the 5090 if I can get one.
I've got an EVGA 3090ftw3 brilliant card BTW, in a prebuilt PC bought in 2022,Corsair 220t rgb airflow mid case/ryzen 9 5950x I'm going to put a 5090 Auorus maste extreme the one with the built in display in it,if it fits make do with the 850w gold psu.Still haven't a clue about the price in glasgow UK Scotland where I'm at could be utterly utterly horrendous,that cheap old 3090 £1500 probs half the price.Could be £2500
Holy shit, ana asus rog strix if 4.5k. what the fuck happened bro. the used market has them for about 1.3k 😭😭😭
5070Ti seems like the only decent card for the 5000 series…
That or 9070xt
@@jackali5014 we have clue about 9070xt yet. It might be a banger or doa, we'll not know for at least a month.
@@jackali5014 there is no rtx hdr.
only option is Nvidia.
or just get a used 4080
@ Gonna wait and pick one of 9070xt or 5070Ti .
It's strange to me but at what point will dlss make us go "eh looks good enough" and skyrockets a gpus life time in our rigs between upgrades. It's very impressive. I also wonder if this is a sign of year over year gains slowing down. Keep up the good work!
Maybe that's part of why Nvidia wants to make sure graphics tech keeps advancing like path tracing, and now neural rendering. Need to keep having a reason to upgrade lol. Not saying those developments don't also deliver cool experiences though.
@@danielowentechGeForce now impresses me, especially when playing on a vr headset
If one should skip any generation it's this one. I thought I would upgrade from my 3080 to a 5080 but now I'm thinking about a used 4080 or 4090 instead. The only games I can't run decently are Path Traced ones and the 4090 is already good enough for that.
A 4090 is the same price as a 5090
@@Dionyzos The 3080 has aged pretty poorly compared to other gens... I'm thinking that an upgrade to a 5080 might still offer the best bang for buck. I don't think this card will be powerful enough to really push pricing down for used 4090s (passed MSRP), especially considering the leaked availability over the next several months. And I also think that the used price of the 4080 will just fall in line with the price/perf of the 5080...
A used 4080 super in the UK is still £900-£1000 so it is still worth it in the UK to get a 5080 especially since a 4090 is also still £1600.
My plan has also turned to try and get a 5080 (since i also currently have a 3080 10gb) and if I fail wait a week and buy a 4080 super if they manage to drop
Except 4090 prices are still insane and mostly higher than MSRP from 3 years ago used
Take a look at the 4070 ti Super
The question is here, why should you want raytracing on? Looks nearly the same when it's off
To answer your question about the type of person upgrading to a 5090, I think its worth considering that this cohort will also include 3080 owners like myself, since the 3080 and 3090 were so close in performance terms. There’s a tendency to assume that everyone who buys a xx90 card ONLY buys xx90 cards and ALWAYS upgrades each generation, or that anyone buying a xx80 card does so because the xx90 card is outside their budget, but that’s not necessarily true. I bought a 3080 over a 3090 because the marginal gains to performance were minimal but the 3090 was twice the price. Even if I wasn’t particularly price sensitive, the performance of the 3090 didn’t warrant the markup. This has reversed in the 4000 and 5000 generations, where the 4090 and 5090 have roughly 2x the Cuda cores of the 4080/5080 at twice the price. While potential customers for xx90 cards are less price-sensitive than those shopping for lower-end cards, that doesn’t imply these customers don’t care about price/performance, it just means that the price side of the price/performance equation is not a limiting factor.
The 5090 is a great upgrade from my 3080 (between 2x to 3x the performance, 3x the VRAM).
I have tested my 3080 in these same tests, and will likely do that video, although not sure what day.
@@Thundermonk99 I get what you are saying, and I would say it was the right decision to make at the launch of the 3080 without the aid of a crystal ball to tell you the future. I would say that the difference now is if you have a 3080, the need to upgrade to something new is probably a necessity at some point this gen, whereas, if you had a 3090, you could easily hold off another gen for better performance improvement or better price/perf - 5090 now vs maybe 6080 down the road...
I will be upgrading from a 3080Ti, and the only reason is because I make a decent amount of money.
If I didn’t make a lot, I would hold off.
@@danielowentechthanks for the great work! It’s super helpful for all of us!
Thanks for helping fighting with FOMO. Great job, Daniel.
No reason to compare a Fighter jet to a helicopter
I feel another variable you can control for is display. Most people with a 3090 fall into 3 categories: either have a 4K monitor that 1.can or 2.can’t take advantage of the higher frames with a 5090, or they’re 3090 owner is 3. using 1440p/1080p display looking to upgrade both.
My prebuilt PC I got in 2022 has an EVGA 3090 ftw3/ryzen 9 5950x great system.I use an LG65C1as my monitor, however I'd love the 5090 Auorus Master with the built in display.
I have a 3090 with a 5900X on 1440p 144hz it can handle literally everything I throw at it
Exactly the comparison I was looking for. I got a 3090 and will be upgrading to a 5090. I'm looking forward to the more than 2x performance increase.
same route im going plus new cpu etc will be big jump
Going from a 3090 to 5090 too! Standing in line at microcenter on the 30th wish me luck lol.
@@shortyorc121good luck, how early you going?
@stephengrinaker5085 what parts did you pick?
I moved my 3090 to the living room TV. Even after lowering some settings, from the couch, it still runs circles around modern consoles so it's good enough for me
You would hope so, the 3090 alone costs more than the consoles😂😂
Thanks for this Daniel - on a 3090 here and wondering if its worth it
It's better to go for a used 4090, since it's the one that gives most of the performance uplift in these two generations. It's also a lot cheaper when buying used. Just bought one for 1600€ and it's fantastic.
If you don't need the vram then 5080 might be the better choice.
what games have you been playing or looking forward to Daniel?
Next game I jump into will likely be FF7 Rebirth, but won't have a ton of free time to play until the new graphics cards are all launched.
The main reason I’m going to attempt getting a 5090FE card is so I can make a future proof computer. Given what it’s capable of and the amount of Vram it should be good for atleast 10+years unless game developers decide they want to leave behind the console players which I don’t see happening since “next generation” games and “Zero Loading screens” was promised when the series X launched years ago and there isn’t a game out that actually accomplished that💀
When you’re comparing these GPUs especially in 1080P and 1440P, the 5090 is being bottlenecked by the CPU so when the next generation of CPUs launch you should expect that gap to grow right?🤷♂️
That depends a lot on how much the CPUs improve next generation. Look at Intel with 13900K vs 14900K: Gamer’s Nexus was seeing about 3% improvement at 1080P in Phantom Liberty. On the other hand the 12900K to 13900K saw an 11% improvement in the same benchmark. Averaging between the two we are seeing a mean improvement of 7% per generation. So I’d say it’s likely going to take at least two generations before we see the CPU speed improvements really widen the gap.
Man that power draw on the 5090 is HELLA SCARY !!!
@@Kapono5150 If this is a such a problem, I'm told the 5090 undervolts really well...
If that scares you, I hope you don't own a toaster.
@@johndelabretonne2373Just power limit it to %73.
@@johndelabretonne2373 It's not even all that bad. If the card can shed the heat modern cases can easily dump the heat outside of the case.
@@ZackSNetwork 73%?! Damn...
That's precisely the video for me. Sitting on 3090 right now thinking about going 5090.
That will be a big upgrade
@MrAnimescrazy Have no doubt about it ,my concern is that 5090 being the same node as 4090 is basically overpowered 4090 Ti. Space heater with unprecedented power draw which comes very close to the limits of 12+4 pin power cable.
People went crazy with PT and RT... you can play all this games without it just fine.
because they make a realistic game look better. I can play with pixel graphics just fine, but if there's a better option available, why not?
@@staskozak8118it’s true that it makes it look better, but paying 2x-3x more on a computer to get a slight visual upgrade with rt is not worth it to 99% of people. I think this is the point he’s making.
@@staskozak8118 because he has radeon gpu that cannot do path tr with decent fps (7900xtx in PT cyberpunk has 14fps while 4090 has 60 fps)...... rtx4090 with qhd with dlss Q = 60fps = will be more than enough to play
just read between the lines lol
There's definitely some merit to that argument. I feel like I want a PT capable card but I also feel like an idiot that I can't simply enjoy a game without it. I've not finished Cyberpunk, Alan Wake and Indiana Jones yet because I feel the need to enable it. I almost feel ashamed to admit it lol. Nvidia really knows how to make a desirable product, that's for sure.
In many games RT is useless but whenever there is RTGI... that;s when it's worth it. It can tremendously change visuals and PT in Cyberpunk is the best example to date.
"you don't have to use the full RT mode to enjoy" - I think you're underestimating the hypnotic effect that path tracing has on increasing immersion; that being said, the 5090 opens the door for RT in VR - this is not talked about enough
At this uplift rate, full quality ray tracing or path tracing in VR won’t be realized until 7000 or even maybe 8000 GPU flagships.
@@thepooz7205 Its already very usable especially with DLSS4 transformer model
@@Dempig which games use DLSS4 and ray tracing in VR?
upgrading from 4090 to 5090 is bad deal. if you have any other card, its an "okay" jump in performance. 4080 to 5090 is about 50%-80% jump for example and 3090 to 5090 is like +100%.. but then again, people with 4090 probably have money in the first place so its no big deal for them, especially if they sell the 4090 to make up the difference.
Or you have people smart with money and don't blow money 24/7 i make less then 20k a year and struggle day to day but guess what?. I have been saving for 5 years I have 3500 ready for a 5090 after 5 years each paycheck I make I put 25 dollars in a jar which yields 100 a month which puts me to 1200 dollars a year for 5 years after that time frame I had 6000 my pc is full up to date I spent 2500 building my pc ( cost alot cause i had a custom case built aswell) so far and 3500 left for the gpu
And with profit after food and bills I make maybe 5000 profit end of each year lol if a brokee like me can afford it any one can
@@jessiestarr4600congrats, you wasted your life away for an overpriced card. Enjoy!
@@ChrisZukowski88 i don't think he is serious though :)
Thanks for making this video comparison Daniel!
0:10 me with my 1080ti they should set a power limit and see if they can make cards faster in that same power envelope. Getting them to run faster by jamming more power into the card isn’t impressive
I paid for my watercooled 3090 800€ with a waterblock also, i play on ultrawide resolution 3800x1600 - and I dont want to pay 2.800€ in Europe for double the performance without waterblock. Total 5090 for me is 3.000€ and finally that is 3x price for my 3090 - that is big NO NO for me
3090 guy here I am not going to upgrade in another 5 years
best decision. im also keepin my RX6800
Keep going with that 3090. I wish I had the same patience and have wasted a lot of money thinking the latest will make every game run stellar.
Undervolt it
@@birdsoup777 the latest will make MOST games run way better though, like literally over twice as good.
I handy down my gpu to my son, If i didn't, i would probably skip this generation too.
A 100% uplift is freaking amazing, yet I still feel like 5090 is a bust. I do have a 240hz oled, so at least I get more out of my monitor, too.
What driver vesion do you use with 3090? The newes beta drivers should give FPS boost to RTX 30 cards with DLSS + RR at transformer mode
I used the 5090 review driver to keep the driver variable out of the results.
If I consider that I paid 750€ for my RTX 3090 two years ago, I get similar performance per € buying the RTX 5090. Quite disappointing. 😅
yeah. no perf/price improvement.
Thanks for the short direct to information videos you are doing! 😊
I have a 3080Ti and 4090, now way am I getting a 50 series card.
Somehow these new cards more than doubled its value seemingly so it must be worthy.
Lemme get that 3080 bruh😂
Same. I just got a 3090 yesterday lmao. I'm chillin for the next 3 years
@@aaz1992same I got mine a week ago, absolutely stunned by the performance, won't be upgrading for atleast 5 years
love these vids lol these numbers at the end were interesting, a fellow numbers enjoyer!
Using the 3090 with an under volt + overclock and lossless scaling 3 with 3x frame gen. Cyberpunk with everything maxed out including path tracing and transformer model. Using DLSS on Balanced on 1440p. Getting 120+ fps, the game looks great despite some slight artifacting and for that package, a GPU running at 300w tops and 70c (water cooled on low speed fans.
Definitely no reason for me to upgrade before the 60 series at the earliest.
Lossless scaling is amazing. LFG3.0 also seems to have reduced input lag & artifacts from before.
@ indeed and reflex 2 is around the corner which should also help slightly
@21:18 Even if it's a 5950x and I'm aiming for 4k60fps? Seems like the bottleneck should be minimal, to me.
Now imagine that the same difference will be in 2030 between the RTX 5090 and 7090....
And the games will be in worse condition and will look the same as today. Maybe worse...
When I consider that basically since 2020 those games have not moved anywhere graphically, I wonder why those games are still so demanding..
Most games should be handled by the RTX 2080(Ti) at the RTX 4080 level according to the graphics processing...
But if the games were not artificially more demanding, the graphics cards would obviously not sell.
The Division 2 / Metro Exodus / Battlefield 5 / Crysis 3... You can play games on ultra and they look better than today's games and in native resolution they run at the same FPS as today's games with RTX 4080 + DLSS.
This is just not true. Path traced games on an Oled is just way better than anything else.
Daniel, I would also argue that many actual 3090 buyers paid for their GPU (and in some case might have also made enough extra to pay for their 5090 upgrade) by mining bitcoin in their off hours.
I did this. When I bought it, mining was super lucrative and it paid itself off really quickly. By the time mining was no longer lucrative, I had gotten my money back on the GPU and then made another ~$2-3k off it.
@jerrodshack7610 Very smart! I didn't catch on quick enough...
Yeah, the mining boom really had very different "value" math for GPUs if you were also mining on it.
I'm going 3090 to 5090 and hopefully the new 45" 5k2k lg monitor in april
Bro what a waste of money that upgrade aint worth it plus new games are trash or have shitty ports even with the money i would invest somewhere else tbh
@@LM-pg9hy 3090 to 4090 ftw, they're going for about 1.3-5 on the used market
Getting the 5090 but I'm staying on 1440p as I prefer native experience with high fps.
@@LM-pg9hy It is worth it, the 5090 is more than 2x faster
I usually upgrade the GPU every 2 Generations, I went from a R9 280X to a 1070 then to a 3070Ti, I will probably upgrade this Gen after the 9070XT and 5070Ti come out. Interesting Video Daniel.
the majority of us is waiting for $300..$500 cards comparison...
People used to upgrade every 5 YEARS not every 5 months xD.
It's a good video to make a comparison between two generations and then calculate the cost per frame compared to the previosu generation -> has it improved.
You can then put it on a line (or scatter) chart for different resolution between two different GPUs or compare the cost per frame per tier per resolution. Gives you a much more clarified look at the trend of these GPUs
dont ask just consume.
So true
People pay 2000$ for more accurate lighting, it's insane tbh. And I want one too lol
I appreciate the comparison. I'm still rocking my 3090, and still very happy with its performance for my 3840x1600 res monitor. I don't run RT in games, and drop the graphics settings with a mix of high/med. At worst, I'm getting 90fps in some of the more demanding titles. I still have an enjoyable gaming experience. I was considering the 5080/90 as my next upgrade. Maybe
when the 5080 Super arrives, I'll take a look again. The power demands of the 5090 are very off-putting.
The reality is most people play on 60 class cards and equivalent less than 5% of gamers are on 80 or 90 class of cards 1060-4060 are where 90% of us are
the sqaure root of 2.19 (that geomean improvement per gen in the last 2 gens) really interesting and informative. thanks
My 1080ti is still running great. Going to keep using it for a few more generations.
so what your saying with out saying it. is your poor
You clearly haven't upgraded your monitor in 10 years either
@@ironhulk1979 you're*
@@Fiddlesocks As in you’re a clown
Please do comparisons for 3080 vs 5080 when the embargo lifts for that too.
Totally agree with you about upgrading every 2 generations. Its pretty clear that 40 to 50 series isn't much of an upgrade, its more for people on older generations who have been waiting.
I'll be selling my 7900 XTX and get an RTX 5080.
Tired of missing out on DLSS.
paying for upscaling LOL
AMD is completly out of competation with upscaler right now. not even close.
Yeah sure,typical nvidia boy comment.
Shame it took you wasting money on a bullshit product like Radeon. Maybe next time don't let reddit make decisions for you.
@@megadeth8592 Found the radeon simp.
Great comparison and value analysis. The only additional consideration I’d look at would be the used pricing for the 3090. I got my 3090 for closer to 850 used and Best Value GPU now shows them as low as 720. At 720 used the MSRP of the 5090 is 2.78x of the lowest price you can get a used 3090.
2000 DOLLARS 60 FPS lovely
I upgrade every 2 generations, went from a 2060 super to a 7900 GRE last year, and this new generation (from any brand), doesn't bring anything that make feel enthusiastic about it. I'll wait for the next generation and see if the performance and power consumption are better.
Got my 3090 for 500 euros. 5090 cost 2350 euros. Double performance for almost 5 Times the price. No thank you
Great review, I agree as I have a 4K 60HZ monitor with a 3090 and there is no need to upgrade.
I have a 3090 and play all games at 4K, and while the 3090 is certainly capable, it's not 'ultra-everything 4K and get 120+ fps'. I am looking forward to upgrading to the 5090 because it seems like a proper 'set everything to ultra and forget about it.'
if setting dlss on count as "'set everything to ultra and forget about it" so sure
3090 3090ti is still more than capable. No need to upgrade, 2080 2080ti is another conversation
2090???
@raevod6361I was trying to say 2080ti
@@ELMASQUELAMONTA what are you babbling about the 2080ti is still a beast it even beats the 4060 and 4070 sometimes.
@ 2080ti better than a 4070 dude really
I would use DLDSR to supersample with an Ai pass at 4K to a 1440p 240hz display. This is the best way to use a 5090 without 4K native display. You can combine with DLSS to get back performance lost to 4K and get the best image quality/performance and the option to disable anti-aliasing because you won’t need it anymore which adds more headroom.
I’m looking forward to your analysis of Frame Warp, as I’ll be very curious to see how well it works and how far it can go towards ameliorating the latency problem with frame gen. I have a 4090 and have played around with frame gen but always end up turning it off due to a combination of not liking how it looks along with latency, but I’m curious to see how much it will improve with DLSS 4 and frame warp.
I just upgraded to a 9800x3D, MSI X670E, MAG Tomahawk 32GB DDR5 CL32@6200 1:1 (until the new CL26 6000 release) from a 5800x, 32GB DDR4 3600 but kept my EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra... But even after upgrading from the 5800x playing 1440p and 4K Max settings on most of my games I hardly saw a difference in fps between both CPUs and the same 3090, figured my GPU was bottlenecking the 9800x3D and I've been looking for a video like this to see if it's worth upgrading for my 3090 to a 5090, 5090 expensive but I like the big difference.... Nice video 👌🏼
Thank you so much!! Very informative video. I would be curious to see a side by side on reducing the quality of the game until its frame rate matches the 5090. I bet the game doesn’t look That much different.
The 3080 vs the 5080 comparison is gonna be more interesting.
Thx a lot Daniel for this comparison. This is exactly the boat I am in with my 3090. However, I have one niche use case that almost no one covers: PC VR. I use a big screen beyond and play mainly sims like MSFS, Elite Dangerous, DCS, IL-2 sturmovik, racing sims, heavily modded mechwarrior 5: mercs. While it looks like I may get about a 100% performance uplift in rasterization only (most relevant to VR), I am still not convinced it is worth it😄. Thanks a lot for this video!
I don't like unreal engine 5, every game is poorly optimized on this engine and every game looks similar, EU5 stole the game's souls
Is it possible to do a 3080 to 5090 ? Or when the 5080 releases do a 3080 vs 5080 vs 5090 ? Most 30 series owners including me are considering 5080 or even 5090 as it’s been 4+ years that we own it and need more performance, thanks!
Daniel great tests can you look into DLDSR tests
As always, great video. A video recommendation: CPU bottleneck on 5090 comparison of intel 14900k, 13900k, 7800x3d, 9800x3d and maybe 5800x3d on 1440p and 4k. Just for sites like userbenchmark or some people that say CPU doesn't matter in 4k etc, I think now is the best time with 5090 GPU.
This was perfect for me as this is exactly my situation. Going to upgrade from 3090 to 5090, if I can get my hands on it...
I love this video. Thank you for the comparison.
For me with a 3080ti with 1440P gaming, the only reason to upgrade would be for the FE 2-slot cooling solution to go into an ITX SFF build and even then, I'd go for the 5080 as £2k is just insane.
Those of you with 30 series don't forget you can mod frame gen into any game with DLSS frame gen. Just a reminder to the community!
I'm debating how my upgrade path will look. Just need to wait for the 9070xtx reviews and I will have my decision as to the best bang for the buck upgrade from my EVGA 3080 FTW3 card at 2k resolutions. Will it be a 5080 or a 9070xtx or even a 5070ti?
I have the RTX 2080 Ti. Should I just upgrade to the 50 series or go for an older series? What card would be worth upgrading to? I play in 1440p
Although benchmarks are already out there, i still think it's interesting to mention that the 3090 is extremely close to the 4070 super, like within 1-8%. Interesting to eyeball performance that way.
And 4070S is only $600. (I have one, great card)
I went from the 2080 ti to the 4080 super and the difference was unbelievable. The 2080 ti was amazing but I couldn’t get the frames and graphics like I do on the 4080.
This is my situation so thanks for covering this. Only have a 3090 as it was cheaper than a 3080, and for my situation upgrading to a 9800x3d has made a huge difference to MSFS 2020 and 2024. If I can get one a msrp, god knows what that will be in Germany I might get one.
I'm waiting for the 5070 Ti now after seeing what DLSS 4 can do even for the older 30 series! I'm finally going to switch over to team green after experiencing seriously bad driver crashes on the AMD 6700 XT from past few years
Happy to see this comparison. As someone looking to go from a 3090 to a 5090 this was very useful.
All too many reviewers are comparing the 5090 to the previous generation, ignoring the fact that most people - even people with larger budgets - don't bother to upgrade every generation. Reviews on this card have been mixed, but the performance uplift and value of the 5090 looks far more compelling given that bit of real-world context and that doesn't seem to be getting a lot of consideration.
Another thing I'd like to see reviewers touch on is the potential for 5K gaming to take off with this generation, esp. for graphically-intense single-player games. 5K is kind of old hat for Mac users (when not gaming) like myself, but once you go 5K even 4K is hard to go back to. There seems to be a recent surge of interest in 5K on the PC side of things, though, and the potential for 5K gaming on these cards (even if it means "only" ~60 fps) is worth talking about, IMHO. Maybe even worth a dedicated video.
Can you compare the old version of Cyberpunk with the new one in native 4k resolution? I looked at some of the reviews on new video cards and it seems that after the latest updates, cyberpunk, even in native 4k resolution, is very blurry. And this does not make it possible to adequately compare the anti-aliasing quality of new video cards.
Maybe I'm paranoid, of course, but I think it's a conspiracy.
In the real world I'm using a 2070 on 1080p and still having fun. Each to their own I'm 48 and can remember when a PS1 blew me away. The younger generation dont know what games used to be like.
I think these days everyone upgrades when the performance runs out for their needs, according to what I've seen on Reddit anyway
What about PCVR though? We have headsets punching above 4k resolution per eye now
I’m in the market for a 5090.
I had a 3070 with a 5600X and Cyberpunk was great at 1080P with ray tracing… I’m not a big gamer, so 30 FPS didn’t bother me…
and then I bought a 1440 Ultra Wide for work and music reasons, and the 3070 couldn’t handle the resolution for Cyberpunk. For all the other games I play a 3070 was better than fine.
I didn’t want to overspend on a 4090, so I ended up getting a 4070 TI Super a couple months ago, but a 4070 TI Super, while a good card, just couldn’t do Cyberpunk ray tracing on a 1440 Ultra Wide without DLSS.
And then the 9800X3D came out and I decided to just go all in. I’ve never had a top of the line PC before. I work in IT. I make IT money. Far from rich, but I certainly have no complaints. I can afford a 9800X3D with a 5090… or I thought I could… until NVidia released the price for the 5090. And then I regretted not getting the 4090, but they’re no longer available… and I’ll never see a 5090 FE card, I’ll get a partner’s card… And then MSI and ASUS released their prices and my jaw hits the floor…
And then the Canadian dollar is going down the toilet. Before our government folded, the economy was already bad… but then all of a sudden we’re in the damn news, and the Canadian dollar falls through the floor, and now the video cards are going to cost another couple hundred dollars.
Clearly someone doesn’t want me to buy a 5090.
I have 3080 Daniel you think I should upgrade to 5080 are wait for forty series to go on sale
you have new nvidia driver on 3090 ?because boosted to much i see the 572 driver so the diffrences good is both same nvidia driver
I tested both cards on the 5090 review driver.
@@danielowentech okay nice then
Thanks for the video. I have a 3080 Ti (basically a 3090 with 12gb vram) and I play with a 4k TV 43" 60hz with less gpu demanding games, turn on dlss when needed, or switch to a 1080p 24" 165hz gsync monitor when I want more fps. I won't upgrade to the 5090 for now, it's too expensive.
For the 90/titan variant buyers of any GPU generation, it's simple-just get it. No one buys the 90s for "VERY GOOD performance"; they buy them for "THE FASTEST GPU ON EARTH." So, there you go-just buy it.
I have a 240hz oled 1440p ultrawide with a 9800x3d and 3080ti. People kept telling me the 5090 wouldn’t be worth it to me. 200-300% uplift seems worth it to me
Was there a reason you didn't test 1440p with performance on cyberpunk?
Now I'm really waiting to see the 5080 performance vs my old 3080.
I would not ever think about paying this much money when I would come from the 4090 indeed. The price tag so soon after and the uplift you are getting does not compute. Now the fact is that I come from the 3090 on AM4 with the 5950. I’m building a complete new system with the 9800x3d and this will for sure bring me a lot. I agree with your statements about most of the games are perfectly fine on the 3090. Thing is, I’m a VR player and then every frame counts for a lot I can asure you. Regarding the price, yeah, its still a lot. The 3090 costed me also 2500Euros back in the days though…. Sooooo :) I’m going for it :)
Please do comparison of the dlss on 3090 and 5090. apparently its a great, allowing 3090 owners to now use balanced mode get more fps and have quality mode quality.
Your right Dan. Ideal is upgrade every other generation. If you love the latest, do it ever generation. I have wasted a lot of money upgrading every generation thinking it will solve all my problems